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Filter qualities?

Filter qualities?

2009-02-09 by jessonalexander@ymail.com

Hi all, first post.

Potential Wiard 300 buyer here. Considering a small four-module system:

Classic VCO
Envelator
Sequantizer
and then a filter.

Omni, Borg, Borg2, New, Boogie. Hmm. I haven't found a thread that really goes in to the 
differences. Can anybody send a link?

The Borg draws me somehow emotionally... my imagination... it seems weirder than all the 
others. More organic. Not so good for basslines, it seems.

Okay, who wants to rant and rave about their favorite or least favorite filter? Thanks!

Jesson

Re: [wiardgroup] Filter qualities?

2009-02-09 by Paul Lord

Welcome!

First off, there is no such thing as a "least favorite" Wiard filter :) They all have their strengths and I find myself going to each for specific tasks.

The Boogie can be a LPG but its real strength is making huge bass tones out of a single osc. It will filter way down into the subaudio range but up where you can feel and hear things it is a monster. I don't tend to crank the resonance on the Boogie but it will bite if you ask it. The outputs for each pole add to the versatility but so far I haven't dug into mixing the outputs very much. Hopefully someone else will comment there.

The Borg 1 filters I almost always use as a PS3100 style bandpass resonator, either serially or in stereo. It sounds amazing at this task. The slower vactrols make it very rubbery at low resonance.

The Borg II can do all kids of great tricks but if you set it up as an acid squelcher it will eat you alive. Mix together a few different envelope shapes on different trigger patterns to mimic accents and feed it a Sequantizer sequence with some per-slide portamento and if you're into that sort of thing, well, the Borg II will give you EXACTLY the sort of thing that you are into :) Oh, it makes a great VCA too and the BP and HP modes also sounds great, but 100% of the time when I'm using it as a filter, it's in LP mode right on the edge of resonance. Woody, Barky, Liquid, Nasty, Aggressive...awesome.

The Omni has the most features and the most control. 2 expo FM inputs, one invertable, plus a linear FM, plus VC control of mode, 4 inputs in 2 pairs, 4 parallel outputs. The OTA based design will oscillate across a very wide range making it a fabulous sine oscillator. The filter character can be plasticky in a good way at higher resonance, and VC control of Q lets you rein in the chirpiness if you need to. It is the fastest Wiard filter, I believe, and quite good for quick, clean bass filtering duties. Oh, and, the phasing sound of the allpass mode with high resonance is extremely lovely.

Hope that helps!
Paul
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On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:31 PM, jessonalexander@ymail.com <jessonalexander@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all, first post.

Potential Wiard 300 buyer here. Considering a small four-module system:

Classic VCO
Envelator
Sequantizer
and then a filter.

Omni, Borg, Borg2, New, Boogie. Hmm. I haven't found a thread that really goes in to the
differences. Can anybody send a link?

The Borg draws me somehow emotionally... my imagination... it seems weirder than all the
others. More organic. Not so good for basslines, it seems.

Okay, who wants to rant and rave about their favorite or least favorite filter? Thanks!

Jesson


RE: [wiardgroup] Filter qualities?

2009-02-09 by T3h caTmaN

is GR. even taking any new orders??

or.. perhaps you are just looking to buy used?

d.


To: wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com
From: jessonalexander@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 04:31:19 +0000
Subject: [wiardgroup] Filter qualities?

Hi all, first post.

Potential Wiard 300 buyer here. Considering a small four-module system:

Classic VCO
Envelator
Sequantizer
and then a filter.

Omni, Borg, Borg2, New, Boogie. Hmm. I haven't found a thread that really goes in to the
differences. Can anybody send a link?

The Borg draws me somehow emotionally... my imagination... it seems weirder than all the
others. More organic. Not so good for basslines, it seems.

Okay, who wants to rant and rave about their favorite or least favorite filter? Thanks!

Jesson



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Re: Filter qualities?

2009-02-12 by mrboningen

--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, Paul Lord <plord@...> wrote:
>
> The Borg II can do all kids of great tricks but if you set it up as
an acid
> squelcher it will eat you alive.  Mix together a few different envelope
> shapes on different trigger patterns to mimic accents and feed it a
> Sequantizer sequence with some per-slide portamento and if you're
into that
> sort of thing, well, the Borg II will give you EXACTLY the sort of thing
> that you are into :)  Oh, it makes a great VCA too and the BP and HP
modes
> also sounds great, but 100% of the time when I'm using it as a
filter, it's
> in LP mode right on the edge of resonance.  Woody, Barky, Liquid, Nasty,
> Aggressive...awesome.

thanks paul,

due to this post i decided to try it, and posted the results on the
muffwiggler forum. i was encouraged to do so here too. 

the patch is a blacet vco saw through wiard borg 2 (set somewhere near
high pass) and boogie (as a low pass gate). a future retro mobius,
blacet micro lfo, blacet envelope, and bananalogue vcs provide the
animation.

http://darkflame.hermetech.net/Musick/Babaluma-BorgAcidJam.wav

the patch goes into a chandler germanium compressor and then has
minimal boss dc-2 chorus and zerotronics spring reverb applied. i
brick wall limited about 3dB to bring the level up. 16bit stereo .wav
file.

all comments welcome.

i feel this is a good patch to show off what the borg 2 is capable of.
i'd got into the habit of always using the boogie as the filter (due
to all the crazy possibilities when mixing the poles) and the borg as
a low pass gate, but i think i prefer the sound the other way round,
at least for this style of music.

best wishes,

gregg

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