Yahoo Groups archive

Wiardgroup

Index last updated: 2026-04-28 23:41 UTC

Thread

Adjustment to business practice (humility of age).

Adjustment to business practice (humility of age).

2008-12-08 by Grant Richter

Hello Everybody,

I am just finishing the third to last order from 2007.

I finally looked at orders from 2008, and again there is 2 years or more of assembly 
booked in a single year. My prices must be set too low. But still, $800 for a VCO whose 
BASIC functionality can be replicated by a rack of cheap modules for half the price?

This was never anticipated in the design of the modules, or the design of the assembly 
process, or the design of the business model, or what the future was SUPPOSED to be like. 
Success is going to put Wiard out of business, if I don't manage it realistically.

I always operate in good faith. If I talked to you on the telephone, and guessed at a 
delivery period, that was the reality at that moment. The fact that next week, 18 months 
work of business came in one week, who could anticipate that?

Wiard is based on and "old world" hand crafting methodology. There is basically no way to 
increase production, without changing the product into something different. European's 
have no problem with this, but it drives some American's into hissy fits.

At Wiard we use EE volunteers as technicians. This kind of assembly is an art form. Anyone 
who possesses the skill level to do it is unaffordable to the business. There is no practical 
method to increase production, again without redesigning the entire thing.

I am going to have to contact each individual and negotiate with them. I haven't deposited 
the down payments yet, so returning them is no problem (for the most part).

Here is the adjustment to business practice. I can only offer six modules per person, per 
year. You have to be willing to wait as long as it takes, no more delivery dates or promises. 
No more multi-rack orders. All module modifications after today are $100 per module.

Also, this is not a conspiracy to prevent access. I am ten years older than when I started. I 
am not physically or psychologically capable of the marathon bench sessions which were 
routine in the early years. And I am NOT willing to die for my art. That is just stupid.

Barack Obama say's American's must learn to live within their means. I think this also 
applies to your physical means. Acting like your 40 when your 52 may be Macho, but 2 
days of bed rest afterwards is not Macho. It's also stupid, and sure wrecks your weekends.

Nobody panic! Wiard is not going out of business. I am adjusting the business practice to 
fit the current state of affairs. <humor>And I am not even asking for a Government 
bailout to do it.</humor>

I'm not going to spoil anyones Christmas, we will work something out to each customer's 
satisfaction.

With gratitude for the uber-fantastic support, and humility for my limitations,

Grant Richter
Wiard Synthesizer

Re: [wiardgroup] Adjustment to business practice (humility of age).

2008-12-09 by watson

grant, in my opinion you dont have to apologize, but the fact that you did in a concise and honest manner just shows how great your character is... custom handbuilt work is that, its done when it gets done. and if anyone doesnt understand that, then that just means ill get my modules a little sooner and youll have less stress
but seriously contact me about anythng at all, i think most of us on here are understanding customers that are buying your products for reasons beyond being able to "replicate a wiard vco functions with (insert manufacturer name) modules . i am not buying them cause i need something now, i am buying them because i love the design aspect, the way the system is laid out i am able to do things with less patch cords and more options, the thing that seperates wiard from other modulars is that the designs really feel like you werent just trying to put the most amount of stuff into a space and then just sell it.... it feels like to me you have very very specific ideas for being able to do certain things that sound really good without a lot of extra things thrown on the module that are rarely used. for instance you an very easily get a very very pretty lead line or bass with just a few patch cords on a classic vco, but when you start adding modules you dont just get double the functions, your functionality exponentially grows. the layout is just amazing and all the patch cords are left to the bottom so that it doesnt get in the way of sound design....these are just a few thing and obviously is just my opinion.
i have been buying synthesizers for over 10 years and have owned A LOT of different things and had to wait months-years to get some of them. i got to play a wiard at a festival a few years ago and i was immediately shocked by the sound quality and layout, i decided i had to have one..... i saved up for a few years, sold a few pieces of gear that werent being used as much and made my order this year. i bought a few modules second hand over the past couple of years and have had immense joy out of them and really tend to use them the most.
knowing that this year was going to be so overwhelming i would have just bought the modules one at a time while i was "saving up the money", but i had no clue you were going to be so busy this year and i had this grand idea of just getting everything i wanted when i had the money, it was more of a personal goal and obviously i could never have seen that the business would pick up so much.
anyway this is jut my rant/appreciation.... and you feel free to call me whenever you need to and we will work out whatever needs to be worked out to keep you sane!!!
watson

Show quoted textHide quoted text
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 2:22 PM, Grant Richter <grichter@asapnet.net> wrote:

Hello Everybody,

I am just finishing the third to last order from 2007.

I finally looked at orders from 2008, and again there is 2 years or more of assembly
booked in a single year. My prices must be set too low. But still, $800 for a VCO whose
BASIC functionality can be replicated by a rack of cheap modules for half the price?

This was never anticipated in the design of the modules, or the design of the assembly
process, or the design of the business model, or what the future was SUPPOSED to be like.
Success is going to put Wiard out of business, if I don't manage it realistically.

I always operate in good faith. If I talked to you on the telephone, and guessed at a
delivery period, that was the reality at that moment. The fact that next week, 18 months
work of business came in one week, who could anticipate that?

Wiard is based on and "old world" hand crafting methodology. There is basically no way to
increase production, without changing the product into something different. European's
have no problem with this, but it drives some American's into hissy fits.

At Wiard we use EE volunteers as technicians. This kind of assembly is an art form. Anyone
who possesses the skill level to do it is unaffordable to the business. There is no practical
method to increase production, again without redesigning the entire thing.

I am going to have to contact each individual and negotiate with them. I haven't deposited
the down payments yet, so returning them is no problem (for the most part).

Here is the adjustment to business practice. I can only offer six modules per person, per
year. You have to be willing to wait as long as it takes, no more delivery dates or promises.
No more multi-rack orders. All module modifications after today are $100 per module.

Also, this is not a conspiracy to prevent access. I am ten years older than when I started. I
am not physically or psychologically capable of the marathon bench sessions which were
routine in the early years. And I am NOT willing to die for my art. That is just stupid.

Barack Obama say's American's must learn to live within their means. I think this also
applies to your physical means. Acting like your 40 when your 52 may be Macho, but 2
days of bed rest afterwards is not Macho. It's also stupid, and sure wrecks your weekends.

Nobody panic! Wiard is not going out of business. I am adjusting the business practice to
fit the current state of affairs. And I am not even asking for a Government
bailout to do it.

I'm not going to spoil anyones Christmas, we will work something out to each customer's
satisfaction.

With gratitude for the uber-fantastic support, and humility for my limitations,

Grant Richter
Wiard Synthesizer


Re: [wiardgroup] Re: Adjustment to business practice (humility of age).

2008-12-09 by Muff

I think the vast majority of us would far rather see Grant slow down and keep his health and sanity, rather than burn out and no longer be one of the people who make this world so very interesting.

I'm investing in something I planned for and lusted after for a very long time. It is something I plan to have a lifetime relationship with, and then hopefully leave to my children. I will spend the rest of my life learning this instrument - something that unique and magical is worth waiting for as long as it takes. The handcrafted nature and the detail and care that is put into these instruments is one of the biggest reasons they hold such a strong appeal for me. This is the reality and the reason that I completely understand the position you're in, and do not mind at all if there are delays. My stuff will come when the time is right and the fates decree it, there's no question!

I would not want to think that the presence of my orders is causing stress or strain on the good Mr. Richter. I'm glad to see he is taking steps to ensure this isn't the case.

Thanks Grant for all you do, and for your commitment to your customers. I assume it must have been difficult to send that message out to all of us, but you have my complete support and the fact that you are open and honest - and taking care of yourself - is greatly appreciated!

Best wishes,

Mike


From: "drmabuce"
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 22:30:42 -0000
To: <wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [wiardgroup] Re: Adjustment to business practice (humility of age).

goodness gracious!
this'll probably get this month's posting count up over November's
count of 12.
-doc

Re: [wiardgroup] Adjustment to business practice (humility of age).

2008-12-09 by p. hendricks

excellent! but what a waste of time for you.
but really like Livewire has done have someone else stuff those boards and
turn 'em out quickly the you tweak and tune to spec, less solder fumes for
you...= longer life, more modules, and more original DESIGNS!!
in '99 your rejected my 50% payment I tried to send, as you said it would be
more than a month or so. So, sadly I still have no 300 series Wiard.
sad.
-p

Re: [wiardgroup] Adjustment to business practice (humility of age).

2008-12-09 by kwote uno

not that anyone can predict the future but is it kinda safe to say that if your backed up with orders for the next 2 years that you'll still be ready to crank out a whole new batch of orders in 2011? i admire your modules very much and would love the chance to get some but can't foresee a purchase for atleast another year or more.
-Kwote
,___



--
---------------------
http://www.kwotemusic.com
http://www.kwotemusic.com/store.html

Re: Adjustment to business practice (humility of age).

2008-12-09 by Grant Richter

Hi Phil,

I remember.

> in '99 your rejected my 50% payment I tried to send, as you said it would be
> more than a month or so. So, sadly I still have no 300 series Wiard.
> sad.
> -p
>

With all due respect to your feelings, Wiard would never "reject" anybody (but see note 
below). If I don't feel I can fulfill my obligations in a timely manner, then your request for 
quotation (RFQ), will be respectfully declined with a "No Bid". This is all according the the 
Universal Commercial Code (UCC), It is to protect the customer from being taken 
advantage of.

I am sorry that I handled the matter so clumsily that it felt like a rejection. I was REALLY 
green in 1999. Wiard has always operated in the customers best interest. Ask the 
hundreds who called looking for "Moogs" whom I gave Paul Schrieber's telephone number.  

I am sorry if your feelings were bruised by my lack of diplomacy at the time. It was 
unintentional.

Grant Richter

Legal Footnote: It is illegal to form a contract with someone whom the vendor believes is 
in the middle of a metal health crisis. This of course, does NOT apply to Phil's case, but I 
have had to use that clause twice in ten years. Schizophrenia can not be treated with 
acupuncture or electronic music therapy, though schizophrenics will always come up with 
the most outlandish self treatments, which they are sure will "cure" them. It's part of the 
delusional state. That is the ONLY case were the word "rejected" might apply. Again this is 
part of the UCC and designed to protect the customers best interest.

Re: Adjustment to business practice (humility of age).

2008-12-09 by Grant Richter

> but really like Livewire has done have someone else stuff those boards and
> turn 'em out quickly the you tweak and tune to spec, less solder fumes for
> you...= longer life, more modules, and more original DESIGNS!!

Based on quotations, if I used external vendors for everything, after the vendors were all 
paid, what's left would be about $30 per module or $180 per instrument. Which would be my 
cut for final assembly, test, calibration, packing, and driving them to the shipper.

Hard to do R&D on a budget like that.

Remember, when you use external vendors, you multiply your overhead by the amount of 
vendors, since you are now paying overhead to each vendor, plus your own overhead.

Oops, hard learned business lesson leaked out...

Gotta switch to decafe ;^)

Move to quarantaine

This moves the raw source file on disk only. The archive index is not changed automatically, so you still need to run a manual refresh afterward.