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I think Steve's music was designed for the Mind, Body and Spirit events in London. I've been working on music for meditation or  background music for therapy sessions. The latter is quite a challenge, ideally it should run for 50 mins, be unobtrusive without just being annoying. 

Mark  


----- Original Message ----
From: mrboningen <darkflame@hermetech.net>
To: wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 21 May, 2008 12:50:35 AM
Subject: [wiardgroup] Re: food science -

brian eno's ambient series 1-4 are all good for active or passive
listening, i especially like the b-side of the laraaji one.

i don't know if they were designed for it, but my two ambient
favourites are "rainbow dome musick" by steve hillage and miquette
giraudy, and "arbor bona arbor mala" by the shamen, both can induce a
very nice state.

gregg

--- In wiardgroup@yahoogro ups.com, "Grant Richter" <grichter@.. .> wrote:
>
> If you can find a recording of Suzanne Ciani's "Seven Waves" it is a
good record for both 
> active or passive listening.
> 
> That is not to imply that it is sleep producing, rather it produces
a pleasant meditative 
> state. "Twilight dreaming" might be a good term.
> 
> --- In wiardgroup@yahoogro ups.com, frank death <maldoroar@> wrote:
> >
> > I've asked Mr. A. Zimmel personally if he's aware of any
known recordings 
> that are available to the public which are designed to be listened
to in a waking-dream 
> state. I'd like to cast this question out to the group. For
example, recordings 
> designed to be listened to while observing a Dream Machine. Stuff
along those lines.
> > I believe the musicality of coloured noise really translates
through images conjured up 
> by the mind during that waking/dream state, eg; falling asleep to
storms, wind or rain...
> > Matt
> > 
> > mrboningen wrote: 
> > > sitting here, listeing to the sound of the rain
outside during the 
> > > current typhoon hitting yokohama, i was struck by the similarity of 
> > > the sound of bacon frying. 
> > > the interesting thing is that the one relaxes me and puts me in a 
> > > state of deep meditation, while the other puts me on edge.
(guess which!) 
> > > i was wondering if it might not be possible to do an fft
analysis of 
> > > both sounds and then cross reference those with psychological
studies 
> > > of the effects of sound on the mental state. 
> > > ;) 
> > > gregg 
> > > --- In wiardgroup@yahoogro ups.com , davevosh@ wrote: 
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> Ya'll can wallow in your 'systemics' and 'deconstructed cultural 
> > >> contextualizations' but I can tell you with absolute clarity that 
> > >> there is NOTHING musical about frying bacon. 
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> arnold, 
> > >> i can`t speak to the prof`s beat notion myself but found i still 
> > > felt your 
> > >> sizzling properties might be of some use - in an r.v.g. "core" 
> > > where you 
> > >> might mix a sawtooth or mutant triangle wave with noise to
modify the 
> > >> distribution, what if you used the sizzling bacon noise as a 
> > > substitute ? would you get 
> > >> a different distribution ? 
> > >> guess i need to contact chicago commodities exchange and buy
some test 
> > >> materials... ......... ......... .... :^) 
> > >> best, 
> > >> dave 
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> ************ **Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new
twists on 
> > > family 
> > >> favorites at AOL Food. 
> > >> ( http://food. aol.com/dinner- tonight?NCID= aolfod0003000000
0001 ) 

> > >> 
> > >
> >
>

i'd like to hear some mark!

i've also been inspired to try and create musick designed to induce a
meditative state, or at least be listened to whilst meditating,
however my pieces tend to be much shorter than 50 minutes. here's one
example:

http://darkflame.hermetech.net/Musick/01TsunamiTidalWaves.mp3

unfortunately no wiard in this example :(

i feel the first track on "rainbow dome musick" is quite possibly the
most perfect piece of ambience ever created! i still can't work out
how to do those hi frequency hi pass filter arpeggio thingies
convincingly!

dug out the suzanne ciani "seven waves" cd today, but still remain
slightly unimpressed. i know she's a buchla guru, but that style of
"new age" music doesn't really do it for me. now michael stearns'
"planeatry unfolding" is really something quite special!

gregg

--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, Mark Griffiths <mark@...> wrote:
>
> I think Steve's music was designed for the Mind, Body and Spirit
events in London. I've been working on music for meditation or 
background music for therapy sessions. The latter is quite a
challenge, ideally it should run for 50 mins, be unobtrusive without
just being annoying. 
> 
> Mark  
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: mrboningen <darkflame@...>
> To: wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, 21 May, 2008 12:50:35 AM
> Subject: [wiardgroup] Re: food science -
> 
> brian eno's ambient series 1-4 are all good for active or passive
> listening, i especially like the b-side of the laraaji one.
> 
> i don't know if they were designed for it, but my two ambient
> favourites are "rainbow dome musick" by steve hillage and miquette
> giraudy, and "arbor bona arbor mala" by the shamen, both can induce a
> very nice state.
> 
> gregg
> 
> --- In wiardgroup@yahoogro ups.com, "Grant Richter" <grichter@ .> wrote:
> >
> > If you can find a recording of Suzanne Ciani's "Seven Waves" it is a
> good record for both 
> > active or passive listening.
> > 
> > That is not to imply that it is sleep producing, rather it produces
> a pleasant meditative 
> > state. "Twilight dreaming" might be a good term.
> > 
> > --- In wiardgroup@yahoogro ups.com, frank death <maldoroar@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I've asked Mr. A. Zimmel personally if he's aware of any
> known recordings 
> > that are available to the public which are designed to be listened
> to in a waking-dream 
> > state. I'd like to cast this question out to the group. For
> example, recordings 
> > designed to be listened to while observing a Dream Machine. Stuff
> along those lines.
> > > I believe the musicality of coloured noise really translates
> through images conjured up 
> > by the mind during that waking/dream state, eg; falling asleep to
> storms, wind or rain...
> > > Matt
> > > 
> > > mrboningen wrote: 
> > > > sitting here, listeing to the sound of the rain
> outside during the 
> > > > current typhoon hitting yokohama, i was struck by the
similarity of 
> > > > the sound of bacon frying. 
> > > > the interesting thing is that the one relaxes me and puts me in a 
> > > > state of deep meditation, while the other puts me on edge.
> (guess which!) 
> > > > i was wondering if it might not be possible to do an fft
> analysis of 
> > > > both sounds and then cross reference those with psychological
> studies 
> > > > of the effects of sound on the mental state. 
> > > > ;) 
> > > > gregg 
> > > > --- In wiardgroup@yahoogro ups.com , davevosh@ wrote: 
> > > >> 
> > > >> 
> > > >> 
> > > >> Ya'll can wallow in your 'systemics' and 'deconstructed cultural 
> > > >> contextualizations' but I can tell you with absolute clarity
that 

> > > >> there is NOTHING musical about frying bacon. 
> > > >> 
> > > >> 
> > > >> arnold, 
> > > >> i can`t speak to the prof`s beat notion myself but found i still 
> > > > felt your 
> > > >> sizzling properties might be of some use - in an r.v.g. "core" 
> > > > where you 
> > > >> might mix a sawtooth or mutant triangle wave with noise to
> modify the 
> > > >> distribution, what if you used the sizzling bacon noise as a 
> > > > substitute ? would you get 
> > > >> a different distribution ? 
> > > >> guess i need to contact chicago commodities exchange and buy
> some test 
> > > >> materials... ......... ......... .... :^) 
> > > >> best, 
> > > >> dave 
> > > >> 
> > > >> 
> > > >> 
> > > >> 
> > > >> ************ **Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new
> twists on 
> > > > family 
> > > >> favorites at AOL Food. 
> > > >> ( http://food. aol.com/dinner- tonight?NCID= aolfod0003000000
> 0001 ) 
> > > >> 
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

"Personally, I prefer Stevie Wonder, but what the hell. Those cowgirls 
 are always bitching because the only radio station in the area plays 
nothing but polkas, but I say you can dance to anything if you really 
feel like dancing."
-from "Even Cowgirls Get the Blues" By Thomas Eugene Robbins


Hi all
--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, christopher forgues
<wizardacorn@...> wrote:
> not all of this is ambient, some of it isn't even close. i consider
these "meditative"...
> 
>

hmmmmmmmmmmmm......
this opens up an interesting line of subjective contextual inquiry...

my frame of reference is rooted in my toddlerhood... being lulled
blissfully to a dreams state by the sound of my
still-happily-alive-and-married-after-61-years parents shrieking vivid
curses and profanities at one another.*

i find that any phenomenon can be conducive to a meditative state if 
   placed in a particular perspective. For instance i offer:

dr.Mabuse's old fashioned recipe for making any sort of music ambient
and meditative.

i will illustrate using a television at full volume playing David
Archuleta singing... while backed by a band composed of bored union
studio musicians in Park La Brea California.

You will need the aforementioned television, a very long extension
cord, and a pair of binoculars


step 1 (abientization)
 Using a very long extension cord position the TV(activated and
playing at full volume) in the geographic center of a cleared
agricultural field of at least 131 acres in area. 

step 2 
 walk at a comfortable pace to a point at least 2,800 feet from the
telvision

step 3
 sit down
(this concludes the ambientization of the sound)

step 4 (meditatization)
 watch the television periodically through the binoculars (it is not
necessary, to be able to see the screen, it may even be more desirable
to avoid a full frontal image)... wait until curious carrion birds
alight near the device and make attempts to peck-out the eyes and
other soft tissues of David Archuleta's image.

step 5
  immerse your consciousness in the sublime harmony of the situation


that's we roll out the old alpha waves 'round mabuse manor,

testing Sheriff Mike's boundaries as usual...
;'>
-doc


 *(and their appetite and imaginations for mutual insult still seem
largely unquenched)

If you looking for something to accompany your dreamachine, I've had
excellent results with homemade binaural beat recordings. In
combination with the flicker of the DM, you can very quickly  achieve
a state of consciousness similar to just before falling asleep, where
the mind is flooded with bizarre imagery (hypnagogia). There is free
software available to generate these tones. It seems to be helpful to
program something that slowly ramps down from waking consciousness
(beta) to waking dreams (alpha-ish).
...

C.F., can't wait for Powr Mastrs vol.2. awesome....


peter

I would completely separate music conducive to meditation, from anything calling it self 
"new age". A lot of new age music becomes boring quickly, and causes you to lose the 
meditative state.

Here are a couple nominee's just from my personal collection:

Alan Hovhaness "Magic Mountain", "Symphony for Metal Instruments", Koke No Niwa "Moss 
Garden" (1960)

Beaver & Krause "All Good Men", "Gandharva"

Nino Rota's Soundtrack to "Amarcord"

Patrick O'Hearn "Slow Time"

Korla Pandit even has his moments, god bless him.

I wonder if this might be where the future of electronic instrument design lies, ie. building instruments (electroniums!) with a singular purpose. And how a gang of different electroniums might be arranged to arrive at a composition.
     This might explain the long tradition of composers who build their own instruments, in order to realise their musical vision. As our brains continue to evolve, we might become more fluent in an ability to sort of 'reverse engineer' instruments with relative ease, from the musical vision. I think Raymond Scott had the idea that one day the composer's mind would be so advanced, he or she could project the composition to the audience with the mind only, ie. using no instruments at all!
 Matt

Grant Richter wrote: 

>             I would completely separate music conducive to meditation, from anything calling it self 
> "new age". A lot of new age music becomes boring quickly, and causes you to lose the 
> meditative state. 
> Here are a couple nominee's just from my personal collection: 
> Alan Hovhaness "Magic Mountain", "Symphony for Metal Instruments" , Koke No Niwa "Moss 
> Garden" (1960) 
> Beaver & Krause "All Good Men", "Gandharva" 
> Nino Rota's Soundtrack to "Amarcord" 
> Patrick O'Hearn "Slow Time" 
> Korla Pandit even has his moments, god bless him. 
>

Matt,

I believe what Raymond Scott was doing was to bring Schillinger's
Automatic music machine to life. The yards and yards of material and
writings that Schillinger had left explains how this machine would
work (mathematically not electronically). He believed one could dial
in a style, an emotion and other parameters and new music would be
composed. It is tough to get a good idea of the Schillinger theories
from the Schillinger System of Musical Composition. There is a better
book he wrote call the Mathematical Basis to the Arts and of course
all the notes he left for us to ponder.


Phil

--- In wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com, frank death <maldoroar@...> wrote:
>
> I wonder if this might be where the future of electronic instrument
design lies, ie. building instruments (electroniums!) with a singular
purpose. And how a gang of different electroniums might be arranged to
arrive at a composition.
>      This might explain the long tradition of composers who build
their own instruments, in order to realise their musical vision. As
our brains continue to evolve, we might become more fluent in an
ability to sort of 'reverse engineer' instruments with
relative ease, from the musical vision. I think Raymond Scott had the
idea that one day the composer's mind would be so advanced, he or
she could project the composition to the audience with the mind only,
ie. using no instruments at all!
>  Matt
> 
> Grant Richter wrote: 
> >             I would completely separate music conducive to
meditation, from anything calling it self 
> > "new age". A lot of new age music becomes boring quickly, and
causes you to lose the 
> > meditative state. 
> > Here are a couple nominee's just from my personal collection: 
> > Alan Hovhaness "Magic Mountain", "Symphony for Metal Instruments"
, Koke No Niwa "Moss 

> > Garden" (1960) 
> > Beaver & Krause "All Good Men", "Gandharva" 
> > Nino Rota's Soundtrack to "Amarcord" 
> > Patrick O'Hearn "Slow Time" 
> > Korla Pandit even has his moments, god bless him. 
> >
>