Wiardgroup

I know this will make me sound like a communist or
something ... but...

Wiard kits or semi kits ???

I'd buy PCBs or kits with no warranty other than
delivery. Or offer a warranty at an increased cost.

The assembly and test HAVE to be a major factor in the
price.

OTOH this would allow people without skill to fvck
them
up and give the vendor (thats YOU, Grant...) a bad
name.

There will also be those who would put Wiard modules
in
the long black modules from hell (tee hee... you KNOW
who you are...)

What say ???

H^) harry



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>       1. Re: Grant @ NAMM?
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>    Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:49:14 -0000
>    From: "grantrichter2001"
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> Subject: Re: Grant @ NAMM?
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> > What are the chances that Grant will be showing
> off some of 
> his
> > beautiful blue boxes in Anaheim next week?
> 
> Wiard does not need any more attention. What Wiard
> needs is 
> customers who will pay a lot of cash in advance and
> wait as long 
> as it takes to get their modules. You will not find
> that at NAMM, so 
> a trip there is a waste of corporate funds.
> 
> That may seem like an assinine comment, but it is
> literally true. 
> Our culture is based on such rapid gratification of
> every impulse, 
> that the number of persons with the patience for
> handcrafted 
> items dwindles every day.
> 
> It is only very recently that such rapid access to
> every type of item 
> has become the norm. And now it is expected and any
> delay is 
> bitterly resented. I am the same way, I pay for
> expedited shipping 
> from Amazon because I want it NOW!!!!!
> 
> It takes all my courage to tell people "You have to
> wait while it is 
> built". Most people just say "foget it" at that
> point, but lucky for 
> Wiard, there still are those with the patience of
> maturity.
> 
> No one in the electronics industry remembers how to
> do these 
> processes or even what analog electronics looks
> like. If you 
> showed them a Wiard module and asked them to mass
> produce 
> them, they would just roll on the floor and laugh!
> You would get 
> quotes of $1000 per module, IF they would even try.
> 
> So the handcrafted thing is not A choice but the
> only choice. I 
> hate making people wait for their orders, but there
> is simply no 
> other possible method. Things like NAMM are
> irrelevent when 
> demand will always exceed the time available for
> production. Not 
> by choice, but because the electronics industry
> itself has 
> forgotten it former methods.
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> OTOH this would allow people without skill to fvck
> them
> up and give the vendor (thats YOU, Grant...) a bad
> name.
I'd personally steer clear of  the early Serge panels and I once owned a dog
of a Digisound system.
Anyway, 8 weeks is nothing, have you tried ordering a Serge panel recently?
CW

>I'd personally steer clear of  the early Serge panels and I once owned a dog
>of a Digisound system.
>Anyway, 8 weeks is nothing, have you tried ordering a Serge panel recently?

I am also of the opinion kits are a bad idea.

(as much as I'd like a couple envelator pcb's)

Michael

I'm curious as to how many of you have normalized certain connections 
on your Wiard modules. I'd also be interested in what Grant has done 
with his systems,

Since I nearly always use the envelator for expo envs, I've got out 
to dmod as par.

I'm thinking of feeding the vco mult from noise, and a seperate 
patchbay wired to the seq gate outs.

Any other common things pop up for you all ?

Michael

I also plan to normalize some inputs. But very obvious stuff like the 
gates and the V/oct of my VCO's. BTW: I really like the Envelator-
Feedback too. I really can't get that snappy behaviour from my other 
Envelopes in my studio.

Olivier


--- In wiardgroup@y..., liquidcolor@e... wrote:
> I'm curious as to how many of you have normalized certain 
connections 
> on your Wiard modules. I'd also be interested in what Grant has 
done 

> with his systems,
> 
> Since I nearly always use the envelator for expo envs, I've got out 
> to dmod as par.
> 
> I'm thinking of feeding the vco mult from noise, and a seperate 
> patchbay wired to the seq gate outs.
> 
> Any other common things pop up for you all ?
> 
> Michael

I ordered and put a deposit down on a Serge panel back in march and only
received it a couple of weeks ago.
 
I think 8 weeks is a bit better than 9 months!   That being said my case
was probably unusual as I got the order in around the time of Rex's move
from CA to WI

-----Original Message-----
From: mark verbos [mailto:a0284520@addcom.de] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 12:00 PM
To: wiardgroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [wiardgroup] Digest Number 77
 
since Wiard and Serge are built by the same assemblers, I bet it's about

the same;)

maybe the list is longer for Serge. I don't know. Grant?

mark

C. Whitten wrote:

>>OTOH this would allow people without skill to fvck
>>them
>>up and give the vendor (thats YOU, Grant...) a bad
>>name.
>>
>I'd personally steer clear of  the early Serge panels and I once owned
a dog
>of a Digisound system.
>Anyway, 8 weeks is nothing, have you tried ordering a Serge panel
recently?
>CW
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since Wiard and Serge are built by the same assemblers, I bet it's about 
the same;)

maybe the list is longer for Serge. I don't know. Grant?

mark

C. Whitten wrote:

>>OTOH this would allow people without skill to fvck
>>them
>>up and give the vendor (thats YOU, Grant...) a bad
>>name.
>>
>I'd personally steer clear of  the early Serge panels and I once owned a dog
>of a Digisound system.
>Anyway, 8 weeks is nothing, have you tried ordering a Serge panel recently?
>CW
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