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--- In wiardgroup@y..., "konkuro" <konkuro@a...> wrote:
> >> It takes a great deal of talent, skill and time to create 
> a painting of a person that looks like a person, and any defects in 
> such a painting will be immediately apparent to all eyes, trained 
> or untrained, because we all know what a person is supposed to look 
> like.<<
> 
> >This is a highly offensive statement.<
> 
> What, pray, could possibly be offensive about recognizing the skill 
> of a great painter?

I was referring to the statement "we all know what a person is 
supposed to look like". "Supposed" by YOU, yes?


> Really makes you wonder how those Japanese wood block print artists 
> managed to create blue skies, green trees, and blue water, doesn't 
> it? What planet are you from?

Planet Earth, and I have a Japanese step mother.


> >And I have worked 
> with so called "handicapped" people who used to eat things you 
> LEARNED to abhor at since infancy, but which you used to eat as 
well 
> when you were a baby.<
> 
> If you mean mentally handicapped, you can hardly use them as a 
metric 
> for normal eating behavior.

Right, and, I don't do that, but I advocate not telling them what "we 
are supposed to" do/ like/ dislike/ etc.

I, for an example, like to watch the movements of spastically 
handicapped people walking (those who can, obviously). They are 
highly aesthetic to me.

There is no chauvinsim in this facsination, it's just a fetish (not a 
sexual one, either) just like someone else might be facsinated by big 
noses or whatever.

I obviusly would never request from anyone that they see the same 
aesthetic in there because it's something PERSONAL. Anyone who would 
just be repulsed by the spastic movements would have my complete 
understanding, also.


Now what if I made a film that shows these "special" people in a 
graceful way and made my personal fascinations "mediatable" 
and "transferrable" to others? Without caring if these other might be 
ignorant or openminded; only motivated by carrying my own view?




_THAT_ is ART and communication.





> Again, universal constants are built into the species, whether you 
> like it or not.  If a skunk sprayed you, you would not like it.  If 
a 
> skunk sprayed a dog, the dog would not like it.  Obviously, there 
is 
> a universal constant of "skunk smell = bad" for dogs, humans and 
> other animals, or a skunk could not use odor as a defense!

But other skunks like the smell!


> By the 
> same token a hideous demon mask from Bali would look just as 
hideous 
> to a person from Ohio.  

Bullsh't. I have a demon mask from Bali hanging over my bed. I do not 
believe that it keeps demons away, but it certainly makes me laugh 
when I see it and gives a good start into the day.

I don't care about elaborating my points any further, because you 
just don't WANT to accept that your rules aren't universal. (Of 
course I also only see what I want to see.)

And as for the fascism comment - let me refer to the inhumane concept 
of "Entartete Kunst", which you are definetely prone to, and leave it 
there.

By now.

Kuehnl