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Re: Omni Filter/VCO

2001-11-20 by googol@gmx.ch

hi colin, hi doc,

The VCOs are very easy to tune because they are stable (the scale is 
always correct) and the Tune and Fine-tune Pots are very precise. It 
is even easy possible to tune the VCO without touching the Fine-tune 
knob!

Something about the "bite" of Filters/Omni-Filter. I am experimenting 
very much with envelopes. Normally my envelopes (Wiard and Blacet) 
are feedbacked to get diffrent responses. The Wiard-Envelope react 
very different when the decay-phase is feedbacked compared to the 
Blaced-EG1. Of course I had to change the EG-1 to exp. first (only 
the decay). The Wiard-Env is faster and can get much more exp. 
and "cutting". I like that on the Omni-Filter and prefer that to the 
Blacet EG1. But I also really like the EG1 together with the Wiard 
Mixolator, but then I feedback the decay-CV with the Inverted Out to 
get a very unusual response (only when changed internally to exp.). 
Thats why I really hope that the enveloopers-Module will have a exp.-
Response with CV on the decay...

Olivier




--- In wiardgroup@y..., drmabuce@y... wrote:
> Hi Colin,
> 
> 
> > I find Moog type ladder filters a bit too syrupy for creating hard
> > percussive attack type sounds
> > Even with the resoannce cranked right up,
> > Moog filters just sound soft and liquidy all the time.
> > Can the Omni Filter create these types of resonant hard attack 
> tetxures?
> > 
> My Omni filter cuts like a razor, especially in band-pass mode. I 
must 
> confess that it's hard to use text to communicate timbral qualities 
to 
> other people. I'm a fan of what I consider "bite" in a VCF. So I'm 
> gonna assume we like the same thing in filter response. My 
experience 
> is that almost any VCF design with a slope greater than 12db/Oct 
> (18pole or more) gives me the quality I like.....But the 'bite' is 
> more a function of the speed of the CV attack. Some older filers 
have 
> CV summing amps based on some pretty slow op amps and as these 
> critters age they can slew the attack right off an envelope. This 
is 
> not a consequence of the core filter design, though. Without going 
> into a lot of (probably irrelevant) comparisons, suffice to say 
that 
> the CV response of my Omni filter is plenty quick on the uptake. It 
> has no trouble keeping up with the output of Wiard's envelator 
which 
> has a brutally fast attack time. I recommend it unreservedly.
> 
> 
> > 
> > Are the VCOs easy to calibrate?
> > Because I'm not much of techie with these things just yet.
> > 
> > 
> Can't speak to that. I don't have a wiard VCO, just the digital 
> waveshapers. But I notice that you got a response from Olivier 
Gerber. 
>  Based the meticulous (and gorgeous,BTW) nature of his music - I'd 
> certainly cite him as an expert in keeping Wiards in tune
> 
> > OK so the Wiard is still in production I gather?
> 
> you gather correctly. the Wiard is very much in production. I have 
> been getting stuff all this fall. Check out some of the recent 
mesages 
> from folks who just got wogglebugs delivered.
> 
>  
> best,
> -doc

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