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Calibrating Keyboard Velocity For Kawai K5000s

Calibrating Keyboard Velocity For Kawai K5000s

2013-01-15 by Paul Krull

So I picked up my K5000s that has been in the shop since early April after they fixed aftertouch and the back light. Now lower velocity keystrokes do not even trigger notes. It had been one of the more supple and responsive keyboards now it feels just plain wrong. Is there a diagnostic or calibration page for recalibrating the keyboard? I could take it back where it was for the last many months but that feels wrong too.
Thanks,
Paul T

Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Calibrating Keyboard Velocity For Kawai K5000s

2013-01-15 by jammie

sounds like they never cleaned the contact correctly
its a fatar keybed anduses the double rubber contacts per key if keys are pressed gently they hit the first rubber contact if pressed hard both contacts strike
when they fixed the aftertouch they should of checked this for you to make sure when it left it was working correctly
as they had to strip the keyboard for checking the aftertouch and if it was working before they stripped the keybed
then its there fault and should check it for free
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----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Krull
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 7:29 PM
Subject: [vintagesynthrepair] Calibrating Keyboard Velocity For Kawai K5000s

So I picked up my K5000s that has been in the shop since early April after they fixed aftertouch and the back light. Now lower velocity keystrokes do not even trigger notes. It had been one of the more supple and responsive keyboards now it feels just plain wrong. Is there a diagnostic or calibration page for recalibrating the keyboard? I could take it back where it was for the last many months but that feels wrong too.
Thanks,
Paul T

RE: [vintagesynthrepair] Calibrating Keyboard Velocity For Kawai K5000s

2013-01-15 by timothy kosiorek

If it only plays at one loud volume they might have installed the rubber contact strips backwards.
Tim K.

http://www.webstore.com/39380,user_id,35966,parent_id,shop


To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
From: jammie.emma@blueyonder.co.uk
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 20:27:02 +0000
Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Calibrating Keyboard Velocity For Kawai K5000s



sounds like they never cleaned the contact correctly
its a fatar keybed anduses the double rubber contacts per key if keys are pressed gently they hit the first rubber contact if pressed hard both contacts strike
when they fixed the aftertouch they should of checked this for you to make sure when it left it was working correctly
as they had to strip the keyboard for checking the aftertouch and if it was working before they stripped the keybed
then its there fault and should check it for free
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----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Krull
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 7:29 PM
Subject: [vintagesynthrepair] Calibrating Keyboard Velocity For Kawai K5000s


So I picked up my K5000s that has been in the shop since early April after they fixed aftertouch and the back light. Now lower velocity keystrokes do not even trigger notes. It had been one of the more supple and responsive keyboards now it feels just plain wrong. Is there a diagnostic or calibration page for recalibrating the keyboard? I could take it back where it was for the last many months but that feels wrong too.
Thanks,
Paul T



Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Calibrating Keyboard Velocity For Kawai K5000s

2013-01-15 by Roger J

Fatar keybed in a Kawai? As far as I know, with the exception of a few controllers that were made by other(like Panasonic) for Kawai, all of their actions and keyboard assemblies are made by them.  






>________________________________
> From: jammie <jammie.emma@...>
>To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 12:27 PM
>Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Calibrating Keyboard Velocity For Kawai K5000s
> 
>
>  
>sounds like they never cleaned the contact 
correctly
> 
>its a fatar keybed anduses the double rubber 
contacts per key if keys are pressed gently they hit the first rubber contact if 
pressed hard both contacts strike
> 
>when they fixed the aftertouch they should of 
checked this for you to make sure when it left it was working 
correctly
> 
>as they had to strip the keyboard for checking the 
aftertouch and if it was working before they stripped the 
keybed 
> 
>then its there fault and should check it for 
free 
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>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: Paul  Krull 
>>To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com 
>>Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 7:29  PM
>>Subject: [vintagesynthrepair] Calibrating  Keyboard Velocity For Kawai K5000s
>>
>>  
>>  So I picked up my K5000s that has been in the shop since early  April after they fixed aftertouch and the back light. Now lower velocity  keystrokes do not even trigger notes. It had been one of the more supple and  responsive keyboards now it feels just plain wrong. Is there a diagnostic or  calibration page for recalibrating the keyboard? I could take it back where it  was for the last many months but that feels wrong too.
>>  Thanks,
>>      Paul T
> 
>
>

Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Calibrating Keyboard Velocity For Kawai K5000s

2013-01-15 by Paul Krull

It's an issue of all keys having a threshhold where softly keyed notes do not sound at all. And it's not even that soft a keystroke that produces no note for every key. I should complain and I should've known better as I spent about 20 years not taking gear there for repairs. Now they've got my Moog Source that needs a new battery and caibration and my favorite Odyssey that shorted out when I flexed the brittle old power cable. Can't wait until I see what they've done with those if and when they get through with them.


From: jammie <jammie.emma@...>
To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Calibrating Keyboard Velocity For Kawai K5000s

  
sounds like they never cleaned the contact correctly
 
its a fatar keybed anduses the double rubber contacts per key if keys are pressed gently they hit the first rubber contact if pressed hard both contacts strike

when they fixed the aftertouch they should of checked this for you to make sure when it left it was working correctly

as they had to strip the keyboard for checking the aftertouch and if it was working before they stripped the keybed 

then its there fault and should check it for free 
----- Original Message ----- 
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>From: Paul Krull 
>To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 7:29 PM
>Subject: [vintagesynthrepair] Calibrating Keyboard Velocity For Kawai K5000s
>
>  
>  So I picked up my K5000s that has been in the shop since early April after they fixed aftertouch and the back light. Now lower velocity keystrokes do not even trigger notes. It had been one of the more supple and responsive keyboards now it feels just plain wrong. Is there a diagnostic or calibration page for recalibrating the keyboard? I could take it back where it was for the last many months but that feels wrong too.
>  Thanks,
>      Paul T

Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Calibrating Keyboard Velocity For Kawai K5000s

2013-01-15 by jammie

yes thats most proberly right as they are 2 different heights
take it back to the shop
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Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 9:45 PM
Subject: RE: [vintagesynthrepair] Calibrating Keyboard Velocity For Kawai K5000s

If it only plays at one loud volume they might have installed the rubber contact strips backwards.
Tim K.

http://www.webstore.com/39380,user_id,35966,parent_id,shop


To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
From: jammie.emma@...
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 20:27:02 +0000
Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Calibrating Keyboard Velocity For Kawai K5000s



sounds like they never cleaned the contact correctly
its a fatar keybed anduses the double rubber contacts per key if keys are pressed gently they hit the first rubber contact if pressed hard both contacts strike
when they fixed the aftertouch they should of checked this for you to make sure when it left it was working correctly
as they had to strip the keyboard for checking the aftertouch and if it was working before they stripped the keybed
then its there fault and should check it for free
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Krull
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 7:29 PM
Subject: [vintagesynthrepair] Calibrating Keyboard Velocity For Kawai K5000s


So I picked up my K5000s that has been in the shop since early April after they fixed aftertouch and the back light. Now lower velocity keystrokes do not even trigger notes. It had been one of the more supple and responsive keyboards now it feels just plain wrong. Is there a diagnostic or calibration page for recalibrating the keyboard? I could take it back where it was for the last many months but that feels wrong too.
Thanks,
Paul T



Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Calibrating Keyboard Velocity For Kawai K5000s

2013-01-15 by jammie

the kawai k5000 uses the tp8 same as the quasimidi cyber6 

i fitted1 to an kawai k3 becuse the keys were nolonger available from kawai

and a brand new tp8 from doepfer cost me 140 euro's for a 61 key keyboard
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Roger J 
  To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 10:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Calibrating Keyboard Velocity For Kawai K5000s


    

  Fatar keybed in a Kawai? As far as I know, with the exception of a few controllers that were made by other(like Panasonic) for Kawai, all of their actions and keyboard assemblies are made by them.  







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    From: jammie <jammie.emma@...>
    To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 12:27 PM
    Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Calibrating Keyboard Velocity For Kawai K5000s



      
    sounds like they never cleaned the contact correctly

    its a fatar keybed anduses the double rubber contacts per key if keys are pressed gently they hit the first rubber contact if pressed hard both contacts strike

    when they fixed the aftertouch they should of checked this for you to make sure when it left it was working correctly

    as they had to strip the keyboard for checking the aftertouch and if it was working before they stripped the keybed 

    then its there fault and should check it for free 
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Paul Krull 
      To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com 
      Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 7:29 PM
      Subject: [vintagesynthrepair] Calibrating Keyboard Velocity For Kawai K5000s


        
        So I picked up my K5000s that has been in the shop since early April after they fixed aftertouch and the back light. Now lower velocity keystrokes do not even trigger notes. It had been one of the more supple and responsive keyboards now it feels just plain wrong. Is there a diagnostic or calibration page for recalibrating the keyboard? I could take it back where it was for the last many months but that feels wrong too.
        Thanks,
            Paul T

Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Calibrating Keyboard Velocity For Kawai K5000s

2013-01-16 by Roger J

Ok, then with a TP8, it leaves the possibility that the replacement mono pressure strip was thicker, preventing the second contact from making, unless the key is struck with enough force to compress the strip and make connect with the second contact. The second contact should close before the you hit the down stop felt, which in this case is the mono pressure strip.

Since there is no calibration, as every thing is fixed on a TP8, and all velocities are mapped in software, I also assume that you tried different velocity setting like hard and soft with no joy.

Another possibility would be a bent key frame, which I have seen on a TP10 many times, but this too is unlikely, as you would have to have severely damage it.  But you would know if it was damaged, as it takes a lot of force.   And a TP8 has a plastic frame, so bending equals break or just flex.

Which takes us back to the replacement strip is thicker, or the old strip was not completely removed and the new put over. I would look at and end key with velocity mapping set to the softest setting, depress slowly and observe when it sounds and when it touches the strip.  If there is a contact diagnostics, all the better, as you can see when the first(upper 3rd) and second contact(lower third of depression) make contact. The closing of the second contact causes a note on.  It must make before the key his the strip.  

I would phone or email Kawai on the diagnostics.  




>________________________________
> From: jammie <jammie.emma@...>
>To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 2:24 PM
>Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Calibrating Keyboard Velocity For Kawai K5000s
> 
>
>  
> 
>the kawai k5000 uses the tp8 same as the quasimidi 
cyber6 
> 
>i fitted1 to an kawai k3 becuse the keys were 
nolonger available from kawai
> 
>and a brand new tp8 from doepfer cost me 140 euro's 
for a 61 key keyboard
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>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: Roger J 
>>To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com 
>>Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 10:17  PM
>>Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair]  Calibrating Keyboard Velocity For Kawai K5000s
>>
>>  
>>Fatar  keybed in a Kawai? As far as I know, with the exception of a few controllers  that were made by other(like Panasonic) for Kawai, all of their actions and  keyboard assemblies are made by them.  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>________________________________
>>> From: jammie <jammie.emma@...>
>>>To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com 
>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 15,  2013 12:27 PM
>>>Subject: Re:  [vintagesynthrepair] Calibrating Keyboard Velocity For Kawai  K5000s
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>sounds like they never cleaned the contact  correctly
>>> 
>>>its a fatar keybed anduses the double rubber  contacts per key if keys are pressed gently they hit the first rubber  contact if pressed hard both contacts strike
>>> 
>>>when they fixed the aftertouch they should of  checked this for you to make sure when it left it was working  correctly
>>> 
>>>as they had to strip the keyboard for checking  the aftertouch and if it was working before they stripped the  keybed 
>>> 
>>>then its there fault and should check it for  free 
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>From: Paul Krull 
>>>>To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com 
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 7:29  PM
>>>>Subject: [vintagesynthrepair]  Calibrating Keyboard Velocity For Kawai K5000s
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>  So I picked up my K5000s that has been in the shop since early  April after they fixed aftertouch and the back light. Now lower velocity  keystrokes do not even trigger notes. It had been one of the more supple  and responsive keyboards now it feels just plain wrong. Is there a  diagnostic or calibration page for recalibrating the keyboard? I could  take it back where it was for the last many months but that feels wrong  too.
>>>>  Thanks,
>>>>      Paul  T
>>>
>>>
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