Vintage Synth Repair

----- Original Message -----

From: paxety

To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 1:33 AM

Subject: [vintagesynthrepair] Korg X5 keys not working

I have a Korg X5 bought new in 1995 or 6 - after sitting in a closet for a few years, a few of the keys no longer play. I connected it to a computer, and all of the notes trigger through midi, so the problem is probably in the key contacts.

Does anyone know anything about what kind of contacts are in there? Know who made the keyboards? Are they maybe Fatar units with the common double bubble key contacts, or something else?

I can't seem to find a service manual and the owner's manual is no help.

Thanks,
John

----- Original Message -----

From: jammie

To: vintagesynthrepair@...m

Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:39 AM

Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Korg X5 keys not working

they are yamaha keybeds

theres a metal contact sping that when you press moves down onto a contact

some times they get a little bent and when pressed they dont make contact

theres also a big return spring that returns the key to its upright position

these metal contact strips can also snap off

if this is the case then you have to replace the contact board

this means desoldering an octave of the contact boad unscrewing

and removing then you have to solder in the new contact board

all parts are available from yamaha

as korg will not support you device any longer and dont stock parts for keyboards after 6 years

hopefully its just the bent contact spring which needs adjusting back to it original position

you can see this by looking at the other contact springs

----- Original Message -----

From: paxety

To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 1:33 AM

Subject: [vintagesynthrepair] Korg X5 keys not working

I have a Korg X5 bought new in 1995 or 6 - after sitting in a closet for a few years, a few of the keys no longer play. I connected it to a computer, and all of the notes trigger through midi, so the problem is probably in the key contacts.

Does anyone know anything about what kind of contacts are in there? Know who made the keyboards? Are they maybe Fatar units with the common double bubble key contacts, or something else?

I can't seem to find a service manual and the owner's manual is no help.

Thanks,
John

On May 12, 2012, at 5:39 PM, jammie wrote:

>
>
> they are yamaha keybeds
>
> theres a metal contact sping that when you press moves down onto a  
> contact
>
> some times they get a little bent and when pressed they dont make  
> contact
>
> theres also a big return spring that returns the key to its upright  
> position
>
> these metal contact strips can also snap off
>
> if this is the case then you have to replace the contact board
>
> this means desoldering an octave of the contact boad unscrewing
>
> and removing then you have to solder in the new contact board
>
> all parts are available from yamaha
>
> as korg will not support you device any longer and dont stock parts  
> for keyboards after  6 years
>
> hopefully its just the bent contact spring which needs adjusting  
> back to it original position
>
> you can see this by looking at the other contact springs

On May 12, 2012, at 5:49 PM, jammie wrote:

>
>
> its easy to see and you dont have to remove any keys to do it
>
> remove the keybed and turn it upside down you can see all the  
> contact springs just check for dirt and fluff you can clean the  
> contacts with iso alcohol and a contont wool bud
>
> just check every spring contact to make sure none are  bent if they  
> are gently bend them back to there correct position
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jammie
> To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Korg X5 keys not working
>
>
> they are yamaha keybeds
>
> theres a metal contact sping that when you press moves down onto a  
> contact
>
> some times they get a little bent and when pressed they dont make  
> contact
>
> theres also a big return spring that returns the key to its upright  
> position
>
> these metal contact strips can also snap off
>
> if this is the case then you have to replace the contact board
>
> this means desoldering an octave of the contact boad unscrewing
>
> and removing then you have to solder in the new contact board
>
> all parts are available from yamaha
>
> as korg will not support you device any longer and dont stock parts  
> for keyboards after  6 years
>
> hopefully its just the bent contact spring which needs adjusting  
> back to it original position
>
> you can see this by looking at the other contact springs
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: paxety
> To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 1:33 AM
> Subject: [vintagesynthrepair] Korg X5 keys not working
>
>
> I have a Korg X5 bought new in 1995 or 6 - after sitting in a closet  
> for a few years, a few of the keys no longer play. I connected it to  
> a computer, and all of the notes trigger through midi, so the  
> problem is probably in the key contacts.
>
> Does anyone know anything about what kind of contacts are in there?  
> Know who made the keyboards? Are they maybe Fatar units with the  
> common double bubble key contacts, or something else?
>
> I can't seem to find a service manual and the owner's manual is no  
> help.
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Daniel Forró

To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 11:14 AM

Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Korg X5 keys not working

Again - in the case of metal contacts there's no reason why some keys would be bent and some not. Much probably it's dirty contact under rubber contact stripe, or dust there, or brokem rubber contact (the last case is rare but can happen with old rubber, or extensive key hit).

Daniel Forro

On May 12, 2012, at 5:49 PM, jammie wrote:

its easy to see and you dont have to remove any keys to do it

remove the keybed and turn it upside down you can see all the contact springs just check for dirt and fluff you can clean the contacts with iso alcohol and a contont wool bud

just check every spring contact to make sure none are bent if they are gently bend them back to there correct position

----- Original Message -----

From: ;jammie

To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:39 AM

Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Korg X5 keys not working

they are yamaha keybeds

theres a metal contact sping that when you press moves down onto a contact

some times they get a little bent and when pressed they dont make contact

theres also a big return spring that returns the key to its upright position

these metal contact strips can also snap off

if this is the case then you have to replace the contact board

this means desoldering an octave of the contact boad unscrewing

and removing then you have to solder in the new contact board

all parts are available from yamaha

as korg will not support you device any longer and dont stock parts for keyboards after 6 years

hopefully its just the bent contact spring which needs adjusting back to it original position

you can see this by looking at the other contact springs

----- Original Message -----

From: paxety

To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 1:33 AM

Subject: [vintagesynthrepair] Korg X5 keys not working

I have a Korg X5 bought new in 1995 or 6 - after sitting in a closet for a few years, a few of the keys no longer play. I connected it to a computer, and all of the notes trigger through midi, so the problem is probably in the key contacts.

Does anyone know anything about what kind of contacts are in there? Know who made the keyboards? Are they maybe Fatar units with the common double bubble key contacts, or something else?

I can't seem to find a service manual and the owner's manual is no help.

Thanks,
John

----- Original Message -----

From: Daniel Forró

To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 1:27 PM

Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Korg X5 keys not working

OK, with older gear everything is possible :-)

You do good job with our beloved old machines! Right now I'm thinking about changing displays in my Yamaha SY99, DX7, TG77, Korg Wavestation EX, Wavestation AD, PPG Wave 2.2., Akai S3000XL, Casio CZ3000, maybe Kawai K5000W... Or at least backlight foil. And I would be glad to have reserve VFD or other display for my Roland MKS70 and Oberheim Matrix 6r.

Then I have problem with one of my Yamaha TX16W - backlight doesn't work. I did cross checking with the other machine I have, and backlight itself works, so problem must be somewhere in power supply. Unfortunately I haven't Service manual and schematics for this machine so it's difficult to analyze and trace where the problem is. AFAIK there's no inverter, they used some other way... Don't you know by chance what it can be? Or do you have Service manual?

Another problem is with display on one of my Yamaha VL1m - there are some dead lines. I tried to repair by mechanical disassembling the display but it didn't helped. As I did cross checking with the other machine, problem must be in display, not on motherboard or display controller. Yamaha hasn't this part any more for such old machine. It was Optrex CCFL b/w display 240x64 pixels, model DMF50316NF-FW-1 (with chip set T6963C). This is out of production, they have some other models but I'm not sure what will work as substitution. I don't need inverting the display, and also color can be different... Do you have some advice?

Thanks in advance.

Daniel Forro

On May 12, 2012, at 8:44 PM, jammie wrote:

hi daniel i have repaired many yams and korgs and have had to do this on queit a few keybeds

as knowing from experience and seen first hand that it can happen

not saying this is his problem but that it can happen

im a repair tech and repair all makes and models of synths from new to old

was an ensoniq repair tech for 15 years in uk

;

and i do up grades to the older synths and samplers bringing them up to later using tech

i have a massive cleint bass and my biggest jobs are doing vfd replacements for synth with back lights and synths with out back lights but who want a bright display as in most older yam synths and casio

lots of emu synths and the sp12 and 1200 drum machines

----- Original Message -----

From: Daniel Forró

To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 11:14 AM

Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Korg X5 keys not working

Again - in the case of metal contacts there's no reason why some keys would be bent and some not. Much probably it's dirty contact under rubber contact stripe, or dust there, or brokem rubber contact (the last case is rare but can happen with old rubber, or extensive key hit).

Daniel Forro

On May 12, 2012, at 5:49 PM, jammie wrote:

its easy to see and you dont have to remove any keys to do it

remove the keybed and turn it upside down you can see all the contact springs just check for dirt and fluff you can clean the contacts with iso alcohol and a contont wool bud

just check every spring contact to make sure none are bent if they are gently bend them back to there correct position

----- Original Message -----

From: jammie

To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:39 AM

Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Korg X5 keys not working

they are yamaha keybeds

theres a metal contact sping that when you press moves down onto a contact

some times they get a little bent and when pressed they dont make contact

theres also a big return spring that returns the key to its upright position

these metal contact strips can also snap off

if this is the case then you have to replace the contact board

this means desoldering an octave of the contact boad unscrewing

and removing then you have to solder in the new contact board

all parts are available from yamaha

as korg will not support you device any longer and dont stock parts for keyboards after 6 years

hopefully its just the bent contact spring which needs adjusting back to it original position

you can see this by looking at the other contact springs

----- Original Message -----

From: paxety

To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 1:33 AM

Subject: [vintagesynthrepair] Korg X5 keys not working

I have a Korg X5 bought new in 1995 or 6 - after sitting in a closet for a few years, a few of the keys no longer play. I connected it to a computer, and all of the notes trigger through midi, so the problem is probably in the key contacts.

Does anyone know anything about what kind of contacts are in there? Know who made the keyboards? Are they maybe Fatar units with the common double bubble key contacts, or something else?

I can't seem to find a service manual and the owner's manual is no help.

Thanks,
John

----- Original Message -----

From: 65 Lotus

To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 3:03 PM

Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Korg X5 keys not working

>> i have fitted them to my sy99 sy85 kurzweil k2000 kawai k5 and k5000

So you re-backlit a SY99 huh. I've done it twice; It's not for the faint of heart!

----- Original Message -----

From: Daniel Forró

To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 4:09 PM

Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Korg X5 keys not working

On May 12, 2012, at 10:12 PM, jammie wrote:

optrex stop doing those displays becuase they were not rhos compliant

they have equivelents same spec but use led back lights meaning they are about 7mm thicker some synths its not a problem but others it is

but becuase yours is ccfl the led backlight versions are about the same size

where are you based as optrex factory is in the usa

I'm in Japan, but nowadays shouldn't be problem to order from USA. I tried to find modern substitution but they differs in some spec parameters so I'm not sure if it will work...

just do the back light foils on most of those

safeglow in uk £7 for the back light cheap as chips and they work great they come with long wires so it does not mater if the terminal are in a different place and as seeing the glue terminals are done at factor and you are soldering just the wires it does not distroy the backlight with soldering

i have fitted them to my sy99 sy85 kurzweil k2000 kawai k5 and k5000

01w t1 and t3ex korg wavestation ex akai s3200 x6

That's good, where you got backlight foils? What about their size, color, voltage, frequency, which inverter could be used for it?

im in talks with the manufacturer at the moment for getting them to make a vfd exact same size as the 240x64 and pcb fixing holes as its the most used display and they dont do an equivelent yet

That would be good. Will it be compatible to most synthesizers with 240x64 displays? Will be cable connected, or user has to solder it?

i have the schems for the tx16w ill see if i can find them for you and send you a pdf

That would be very helpful. Try to ask me if you need some Service manual, I have huge collection...

i would say the invertor is gone an easy fix is by a 5v to ac voltage invertor for back lights use the come in a small black plastic case with wire for efoil and wires to connect to a 5v supply just just fit a molex hard drive fitting and get a floppy drive extender cable

that gives you another floppy drive power conector and a male power

connector for hard drives this is what i used with the fz1 as the invertor on those is dc to dc and they burn out the efoil quicker

becuase its an insulated product you can just leave it inside the case i taped mine to the side of the case

they work well and are made for the newer efoils so they connect straight in

Where I can buy such inverter and backlight foil?

you can fit a 40x2 vfd in s900 /s950/roland d50/d550/jd800

yamaha tx16w

casio cz range

and lots of yam synth especially ones with out efoil circuits as the vfd uses neon lettering and does not require a backlight power conection

also they dont require a angle voltage because they are good fromn any angle unlike the lcd modules

Which model is it and where I can buy it?

Thanks for answers.

Daniel Forro

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Daniel Forró 
  To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 4:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Korg X5 keys not working

    
   

  On May 12, 2012, at 10:12 PM, jammie wrote:





    optrex stop doing those displays becuase they were not rhos compliant

    they have equivelents same spec but use led back lights meaning they are about 7mm thicker some synths its not a problem but others it is

    but becuase yours is ccfl the led backlight versions are about the same size

    where are you based as optrex factory is in the usa

  I'm in Japan, but nowadays shouldn't be problem to order from USA. I tried to find modern substitution but they differs in some spec parameters so I'm not sure if it will work...



    just do the back light foils on most of those

    safeglow in uk £7 for the back light cheap as chips and they work great they come with long wires so it does not mater if the terminal are in a different place and as seeing the glue terminals are done at factor and you are soldering just the wires it does not distroy the backlight with soldering

    i have fitted them to my sy99 sy85 kurzweil k2000 kawai k5 and k5000

    01w t1 and t3ex korg wavestation ex akai s3200 x6

  That's good, where you got backlight foils? What about their size, color, voltage, frequency, which inverter could be used for it?



    im in talks with the manufacturer at the moment for getting them to make a vfd exact same size as the 240x64 and pcb fixing holes as its the most used display and they dont do an equivelent yet

  That would be good. Will it be compatible to most synthesizers with 240x64 displays? Will be cable connected, or user has to solder it?



    i have the schems for the tx16w ill see if i can find them for you and send you a pdf

  That would be very helpful. Try to ask me if you need some Service manual, I have huge collection...



    i would say the invertor is gone an easy fix is by a 5v to ac voltage invertor for back lights use the come in a small black plastic case with wire for efoil and wires to connect to a 5v supply just just fit a molex hard drive fitting and get a floppy drive extender cable

    that gives you another floppy drive power conector and a male power
    connector for hard drives this is what i used with the fz1 as the invertor on those is dc to dc and they burn out the efoil quicker

    becuase its an insulated product you can just leave it inside the case i taped mine to the side of the case

    they work well and are made for the newer efoils so they connect straight in

  Where I can buy such inverter and backlight foil?

    you can fit a 40x2 vfd in s900 /s950/roland d50/d550/jd800

    yamaha tx16w

    casio cz range 

    and lots of yam synth especially ones with out efoil circuits as the vfd uses neon lettering and does not require a backlight power conection

    also they dont require a angle voltage because they are good fromn any angle unlike the lcd modules

  Which model is it and where I can buy it?


  Thanks for answers. 

  Daniel Forro

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Daniel Forró 
  To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 4:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Korg X5 keys not working

    

  On May 12, 2012, at 10:12 PM, jammie wrote:





    optrex stop doing those displays becuase they were not rhos compliant

    they have equivelents same spec but use led back lights meaning they are about 7mm thicker some synths its not a problem but others it is

    but becuase yours is ccfl the led backlight versions are about the same size

    where are you based as optrex factory is in the usa

  I'm in Japan, but nowadays shouldn't be problem to order from USA. I tried to find modern substitution but they differs in some spec parameters so I'm not sure if it will work...



    just do the back light foils on most of those

    safeglow in uk £7 for the back light cheap as chips and they work great they come with long wires so it does not mater if the terminal are in a different place and as seeing the glue terminals are done at factor and you are soldering just the wires it does not distroy the backlight with soldering

    i have fitted them to my sy99 sy85 kurzweil k2000 kawai k5 and k5000

    01w t1 and t3ex korg wavestation ex akai s3200 x6

  That's good, where you got backlight foils? What about their size, color, voltage, frequency, which inverter could be used for it?



    im in talks with the manufacturer at the moment for getting them to make a vfd exact same size as the 240x64 and pcb fixing holes as its the most used display and they dont do an equivelent yet

  That would be good. Will it be compatible to most synthesizers with 240x64 displays? Will be cable connected, or user has to solder it?



    i have the schems for the tx16w ill see if i can find them for you and send you a pdf

  That would be very helpful. Try to ask me if you need some Service manual, I have huge collection...



    i would say the invertor is gone an easy fix is by a 5v to ac voltage invertor for back lights use the come in a small black plastic case with wire for efoil and wires to connect to a 5v supply just just fit a molex hard drive fitting and get a floppy drive extender cable

    that gives you another floppy drive power conector and a male power
    connector for hard drives this is what i used with the fz1 as the invertor on those is dc to dc and they burn out the efoil quicker

    becuase its an insulated product you can just leave it inside the case i taped mine to the side of the case

    they work well and are made for the newer efoils so they connect straight in

  Where I can buy such inverter and backlight foil?

    you can fit a 40x2 vfd in s900 /s950/roland d50/d550/jd800

    yamaha tx16w

    casio cz range 

    and lots of yam synth especially ones with out efoil circuits as the vfd uses neon lettering and does not require a backlight power conection

    also they dont require a angle voltage because they are good fromn any angle unlike the lcd modules

  Which model is it and where I can buy it?


  Thanks for answers. 

  Daniel Forro

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: NoëlBuhagiar 
  To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com 
  Cc: korg01w-list@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:15 PM
  Subject: [vintagesynthrepair] LCD BACKLIGHTS WARNING!!!


    

  sorry guys I also forgot to mention that these backlights are not easy to install at all
  although they come with ready made wires protruding, the area where the connection is made is more to the center then the original Korg backlight that has 2 very thin ‘film-type’ wires coming out of the left side.

  although the backlight itseft is thin and easy to push under the LCD, the connection where the wires are soldered isn’t and also worse then this the guy puts silicone adhesive that makes it more thick and if one is not extremely careful could break the LCD glass.

  if you manage to push it in like I luckily did.. you will end up with a non-professional display with a slightly blackened LCD where the connection is made as this is touching/pushing with the glass.

  so I am still looking from other sources that have the wires coming out from the side as in original korg factory ones

  keep your eyes open everyone!

  ----------------------------------------------------------


  my experience with Glowsafe is different:
  out of 2 backlights sent 1 did not glow (so for me it was not safe like they say at all!)

  have been trying to contact them and sent several emails to no avail – no replies!
  however when I contacted them 1st time by email about sales I was answered immediately by a guy named Paul.

  so at this point I’m stuck with a non-glowing backlight... but the Lord works in mysterious ways and so I leave my faith for the righteous to go forward in HIM.

  so also... I do not recommend Glowsafe at all and be careful!!
  this could be not a company at all but just a one man band freak trying to rip out money from decent people trying to make a living.
  he could even be lurking somewhere around here.. so be warned fellas!

  it’s a pity as I have several 01/WFDs coming all needing backlight replacement plus a general refit etc..
  so guess now with whom I will make my order with:
  http://www.backlight4you.com/index.php/cat/c130_EL-Replacements.html/XTCsid/49b0c430a5444dc2a95ac348a81949cf 


  If any tech on this forum has alternative sources please be kind enough as to mention it here thanks
  after all.. that’s what forums are for, right?

  Cheers and good work and health to you all.

  --------------------


    

  they are the perfect fit for the 240x64 lcd displays they all use an equivelent lcd display size dont need to cut the efoil as they fit them all

  they sell an invertor to fit it to

  but e foils all work on the same low amp high frequency ac voltage 200-400 hz the high the frequency the brighter the display but also the higher the frequency the quicker burn out

  they also work on dc 150v-200vdc but burn out a lot quicker with this vaultage

  the invertors range from 5v to 200-400 ac voltage hz and 12v to 200-400 hz

  it all depends where you are taking the voltage from

  the tx16w uses both on its floppy drive so its easy for you to choose

  also being in japan there is a chinese firm that does them aswell 

  but those you will have to cut to size your self but come in variuos colours

  glowsafe efoils are the standard whitish blue light

  i used to cut my own but glowsafe are so cheap that it safe me the time effert in doing it as its already done for me but they only do the one colour thats the white blue light

  with the manufacture of the vfd it will be exact same header so all you have to do is remove the ribbon header and fit new ribbon header

  thats what i do with all the 40x2 vfd displays



  noritake itron uk i use but they have a usa factory and one in japan 

  noritake japan

  for the tx16w its the 40x2 vfd display

  pdf for it is added

  just solder the same 14 connections no back light needed and no nasty whining noise from faild efoil

  you buy direct from noritake good service fast delivery and the best display there is you can stand 3 meters away and still read what on the screen

  unlike a lcd become total blank at a few paces

  go onto there web site and 
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Daniel Forró 
    To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 4:09 PM
    Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Korg X5 keys not working

      

    On May 12, 2012, at 10:12 PM, jammie wrote:





      optrex stop doing those displays becuase they were not rhos compliant

      they have equivelents same spec but use led back lights meaning they are about 7mm thicker some synths its not a problem but others it is

      but becuase yours is ccfl the led backlight versions are about the same size

      where are you based as optrex factory is in the usa

    I'm in Japan, but nowadays shouldn't be problem to order from USA. I tried to find modern substitution but they differs in some spec parameters so I'm not sure if it will work...



      just do the back light foils on most of those

      safeglow in uk £7 for the back light cheap as chips and they work great they come with long wires so it does not mater if the terminal are in a different place and as seeing the glue terminals are done at factor and you are soldering just the wires it does not distroy the backlight with soldering

      i have fitted them to my sy99 sy85 kurzweil k2000 kawai k5 and k5000

      01w t1 and t3ex korg wavestation ex akai s3200 x6

    That's good, where you got backlight foils? What about their size, color, voltage, frequency, which inverter could be used for it?



      im in talks with the manufacturer at the moment for getting them to make a vfd exact same size as the 240x64 and pcb fixing holes as its the most used display and they dont do an equivelent yet

    That would be good. Will it be compatible to most synthesizers with 240x64 displays? Will be cable connected, or user has to solder it?



      i have the schems for the tx16w ill see if i can find them for you and send you a pdf

    That would be very helpful. Try to ask me if you need some Service manual, I have huge collection...



      i would say the invertor is gone an easy fix is by a 5v to ac voltage invertor for back lights use the come in a small black plastic case with wire for efoil and wires to connect to a 5v supply just just fit a molex hard drive fitting and get a floppy drive extender cable

      that gives you another floppy drive power conector and a male power
      connector for hard drives this is what i used with the fz1 as the invertor on those is dc to dc and they burn out the efoil quicker

      becuase its an insulated product you can just leave it inside the case i taped mine to the side of the case

      they work well and are made for the newer efoils so they connect straight in

    Where I can buy such inverter and backlight foil?

      you can fit a 40x2 vfd in s900 /s950/roland d50/d550/jd800

      yamaha tx16w

      casio cz range 

      and lots of yam synth especially ones with out efoil circuits as the vfd uses neon lettering and does not require a backlight power conection

      also they dont require a angle voltage because they are good fromn any angle unlike the lcd modules

    Which model is it and where I can buy it?


    Thanks for answers. 

    Daniel Forro

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: NoëlBuhagiar 
  To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com 
  Cc: korg01w-list@...m 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:15 PM
  Subject: [vintagesynthrepair] LCD BACKLIGHTS WARNING!!!

    

  sorry guys I also forgot to mention that these backlights are not easy to install at all
  although they come with ready made wires protruding, the area where the connection is made is more to the center then the original Korg backlight that has 2 very thin ‘film-type’ wires coming out of the left side.

  although the backlight itseft is thin and easy to push under the LCD, the connection where the wires are soldered isn’t and also worse then this the guy puts silicone adhesive that makes it more thick and if one is not extremely careful could break the LCD glass.

  if you manage to push it in like I luckily did.. you will end up with a non-professional display with a slightly blackened LCD where the connection is made as this is touching/pushing with the glass.

  so I am still looking from other sources that have the wires coming out from the side as in original korg factory ones

  keep your eyes open everyone!

  ----------------------------------------------------------


  my experience with Glowsafe is different:
  out of 2 backlights sent 1 did not glow (so for me it was not safe like they say at all!)

  have been trying to contact them and sent several emails to no avail – no replies!
  however when I contacted them 1st time by email about sales I was answered immediately by a guy named Paul.

  so at this point I’m stuck with a non-glowing backlight... but the Lord works in mysterious ways and so I leave my faith for the righteous to go forward in HIM.

  so also... I do not recommend Glowsafe at all and be careful!!
  this could be not a company at all but just a one man band freak trying to rip out money from decent people trying to make a living.
  he could even be lurking somewhere around here.. so be warned fellas!

  it’s a pity as I have several 01/WFDs coming all needing backlight replacement plus a general refit etc..
  so guess now with whom I will make my order with:
  http://www.backlight4you.com/index.php/cat/c130_EL-Replacements.html/XTCsid/49b0c430a5444dc2a95ac348a81949cf 


  If any tech on this forum has alternative sources please be kind enough as to mention it here thanks
  after all.. that’s what forums are for, right?

  Cheers and good work and health to you all.

  --------------------


    

  they are the perfect fit for the 240x64 lcd displays they all use an equivelent lcd display size dont need to cut the efoil as they fit them all

  they sell an invertor to fit it to

  but e foils all work on the same low amp high frequency ac voltage 200-400 hz the high the frequency the brighter the display but also the higher the frequency the quicker burn out

  they also work on dc 150v-200vdc but burn out a lot quicker with this vaultage

  the invertors range from 5v to 200-400 ac voltage hz and 12v to 200-400 hz

  it all depends where you are taking the voltage from

  the tx16w uses both on its floppy drive so its easy for you to choose

  also being in japan there is a chinese firm that does them aswell 

  but those you will have to cut to size your self but come in variuos colours

  glowsafe efoils are the standard whitish blue light

  i used to cut my own but glowsafe are so cheap that it safe me the time effert in doing it as its already done for me but they only do the one colour thats the white blue light

  with the manufacture of the vfd it will be exact same header so all you have to do is remove the ribbon header and fit new ribbon header

  thats what i do with all the 40x2 vfd displays



  noritake itron uk i use but they have a usa factory and one in japan 

  noritake japan

  for the tx16w its the 40x2 vfd display

  pdf for it is added

  just solder the same 14 connections no back light needed and no nasty whining noise from faild efoil

  you buy direct from noritake good service fast delivery and the best display there is you can stand 3 meters away and still read what on the screen

  unlike a lcd become total blank at a few paces

  go onto there web site and 
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Daniel Forró 
    To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 4:09 PM
    Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Korg X5 keys not working

      

    On May 12, 2012, at 10:12 PM, jammie wrote:





      optrex stop doing those displays becuase they were not rhos compliant

      they have equivelents same spec but use led back lights meaning they are about 7mm thicker some synths its not a problem but others it is

      but becuase yours is ccfl the led backlight versions are about the same size

      where are you based as optrex factory is in the usa

    I'm in Japan, but nowadays shouldn't be problem to order from USA. I tried to find modern substitution but they differs in some spec parameters so I'm not sure if it will work...



      just do the back light foils on most of those

      safeglow in uk £7 for the back light cheap as chips and they work great they come with long wires so it does not mater if the terminal are in a different place and as seeing the glue terminals are done at factor and you are soldering just the wires it does not distroy the backlight with soldering

      i have fitted them to my sy99 sy85 kurzweil k2000 kawai k5 and k5000

      01w t1 and t3ex korg wavestation ex akai s3200 x6

    That's good, where you got backlight foils? What about their size, color, voltage, frequency, which inverter could be used for it?



      im in talks with the manufacturer at the moment for getting them to make a vfd exact same size as the 240x64 and pcb fixing holes as its the most used display and they dont do an equivelent yet

    That would be good. Will it be compatible to most synthesizers with 240x64 displays? Will be cable connected, or user has to solder it?



      i have the schems for the tx16w ill see if i can find them for you and send you a pdf

    That would be very helpful. Try to ask me if you need some Service manual, I have huge collection...



      i would say the invertor is gone an easy fix is by a 5v to ac voltage invertor for back lights use the come in a small black plastic case with wire for efoil and wires to connect to a 5v supply just just fit a molex hard drive fitting and get a floppy drive extender cable

      that gives you another floppy drive power conector and a male power
      connector for hard drives this is what i used with the fz1 as the invertor on those is dc to dc and they burn out the efoil quicker

      becuase its an insulated product you can just leave it inside the case i taped mine to the side of the case

      they work well and are made for the newer efoils so they connect straight in

    Where I can buy such inverter and backlight foil?

      you can fit a 40x2 vfd in s900 /s950/roland d50/d550/jd800

      yamaha tx16w

      casio cz range 

      and lots of yam synth especially ones with out efoil circuits as the vfd uses neon lettering and does not require a backlight power conection

      also they dont require a angle voltage because they are good fromn any angle unlike the lcd modules

    Which model is it and where I can buy it?


    Thanks for answers. 

    Daniel Forro

>> 
>>That would be very helpful. Try to ask me if you need some Service  manual, I have huge collection...
>>
>> 
>>>i would say the invertor is gone an easy fix is  by a 5v to ac voltage invertor for back lights use the come in a small black  plastic case with wire for efoil and wires to connect to a 5v supply just  just fit a molex hard drive fitting and get a floppy drive extender  cable
>>> 
>>>that gives you another floppy drive power  conector and a male power
>>>connector for hard drives this is what i used  with the fz1 as the invertor on those is dc to dc and they burn out the  efoil quicker
>>> 
>>>becuase its an insulated product you can just  leave it inside the case i taped mine to the side of the case
>>> 
>>>they work well and are made for the newer  efoils so they connect straight in
>> 
>>Where I can buy such inverter and backlight foil?
>> 
>>>you can fit a 40x2 vfd in s900 /s950/roland  d50/d550/jd800
>>> 
>>>yamaha tx16w
>>> casio cz  range 
>>>and lots of yam synth especially ones with out efoil circuits as  the vfd uses neon lettering and does not require a backlight power  conection
>>> 
>>>also they dont require a angle voltage because they are good  fromn any angle unlike the lcd modules
>> 
>>Which model is it and where I can buy it?
>>Thanks for answers. 
>> 
>>Daniel Forro
> 
>
>

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: NoëlBuhagiar 
  To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com 
  Cc: korg01w-list@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 9:31 PM
  Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] LCD BACKLIGHTS WARNING!!!


    

  Ok, now you’re talkin!

  What I do not understand is why sell a non working product to someone if you know that is does not work
  and if he didn’t know that it does not work why not accept it back if client is not satisfied?

  If he does this he surely would not get long term customers. And also eventually after time he would get no respect and satisfaction at all and gain nothing from his work.

  One thing I know for sure is when you make an order and deal with a reliable respectful company and make a claim, they always send replies and try to sort the matter out. But I will not stop here as luckily I have good reliable relations with The British Embassy whom they will enquire about his advertising on the net as he should fall in-line as stipulated by the law.

  If backlight4you are same, then I do not want them; in fact I will enquire and ask about this in advance.
  I do not want to take the risk of breaking an LCD as also it would be a pity 
  just for the carelessness of someone else.

  I like to work professionally as best I could; I think that leads coming out from the side as original is the way to go.

  You guys know how that proverb goes... O
  nce bitten, twice shy.

  ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
   

  i had 6 from him and had no problems

  but i think you might be right

  as all backlights have now been removed from there site for synths

  i reckin he made some for himself and had a few spare

  and you must off had the last of them

  i also use a guy from china and his displays are the same size and the cables come out at the side and not the middle like the glow safe 

  but you have to trim them to fit the 01w

  as for backlight4you there terminals also come out the middle and you have to solder wires to then so that you can solder wires to the terminals

  but all connections are done out side of the glass

  or buy your own sheet if you have plenty todo then make them up your self that way you can put the wires whre you want them

  itseasy todo

  i just used the glow safe ones as it was already done for me 
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: NoëlBuhagiar 
    To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com 
    Cc: korg01w-list@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:15 PM
    Subject: [vintagesynthrepair] LCD BACKLIGHTS WARNING!!!

      

    sorry guys I also forgot to mention that these backlights are not easy to install at all
    although they come with ready made wires protruding, the area where the connection is made is more to the center then the original Korg backlight that has 2 very thin ‘film-type’ wires coming out of the left side.

    although the backlight itseft is thin and easy to push under the LCD, the connection where the wires are soldered isn’t and also worse then this the guy puts silicone adhesive that makes it more thick and if one is not extremely careful could break the LCD glass.

    if you manage to push it in like I luckily did.. you will end up with a non-professional display with a slightly blackened LCD where the connection is made as this is touching/pushing with the glass.

    so I am still looking from other sources that have the wires coming out from the side as in original korg factory ones

    keep your eyes open everyone!

    ----------------------------------------------------------


    my experience with Glowsafe is different:
    out of 2 backlights sent 1 did not glow (so for me it was not safe like they say at all!)

    have been trying to contact them and sent several emails to no avail – no replies!
    however when I contacted them 1st time by email about sales I was answered immediately by a guy named Paul.

    so at this point I’m stuck with a non-glowing backlight... but the Lord works in mysterious ways and so I leave my faith for the righteous to go forward in HIM.

    so also... I do not recommend Glowsafe at all and be careful!!
    this could be not a company at all but just a one man band freak trying to rip out money from decent people trying to make a living.
    he could even be lurking somewhere around here.. so be warned fellas!

    it’s a pity as I have several 01/WFDs coming all needing backlight replacement plus a general refit etc..
    so guess now with whom I will make my order with:
    http://www.backlight4you.com/index.php/cat/c130_EL-Replacements.html/XTCsid/49b0c430a5444dc2a95ac348a81949cf 


    If any tech on this forum has alternative sources please be kind enough as to mention it here thanks
    after all.. that’s what forums are for, right?

    Cheers and good work and health to you all.

    --------------------


      

    they are the perfect fit for the 240x64 lcd displays they all use an equivelent lcd display size dont need to cut the efoil as they fit them all

    they sell an invertor to fit it to

    but e foils all work on the same low amp high frequency ac voltage 200-400 hz the high the frequency the brighter the display but also the higher the frequency the quicker burn out

    they also work on dc 150v-200vdc but burn out a lot quicker with this vaultage

    the invertors range from 5v to 200-400 ac voltage hz and 12v to 200-400 hz

    it all depends where you are taking the voltage from

    the tx16w uses both on its floppy drive so its easy for you to choose

    also being in japan there is a chinese firm that does them aswell 

    but those you will have to cut to size your self but come in variuos colours

    glowsafe efoils are the standard whitish blue light

    i used to cut my own but glowsafe are so cheap that it safe me the time effert in doing it as its already done for me but they only do the one colour thats the white blue light

    with the manufacture of the vfd it will be exact same header so all you have to do is remove the ribbon header and fit new ribbon header

    thats what i do with all the 40x2 vfd displays



    noritake itron uk i use but they have a usa factory and one in japan 

    noritake japan

    for the tx16w its the 40x2 vfd display

    pdf for it is added

    just solder the same 14 connections no back light needed and no nasty whining noise from faild efoil

    you buy direct from noritake good service fast delivery and the best display there is you can stand 3 meters away and still read what on the screen

    unlike a lcd become total blank at a few paces

    go onto there web site and 
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Daniel Forró 
      To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com 
      Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 4:09 PM
      Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Korg X5 keys not working

        

      On May 12, 2012, at 10:12 PM, jammie wrote:





        optrex stop doing those displays becuase they were not rhos compliant

        they have equivelents same spec but use led back lights meaning they are about 7mm thicker some synths its not a problem but others it is

        but becuase yours is ccfl the led backlight versions are about the same size

        where are you based as optrex factory is in the usa

      I'm in Japan, but nowadays shouldn't be problem to order from USA. I tried to find modern substitution but they differs in some spec parameters so I'm not sure if it will work...



        just do the back light foils on most of those

        safeglow in uk £7 for the back light cheap as chips and they work great they come with long wires so it does not mater if the terminal are in a different place and as seeing the glue terminals are done at factor and you are soldering just the wires it does not distroy the backlight with soldering

        i have fitted them to my sy99 sy85 kurzweil k2000 kawai k5 and k5000

        01w t1 and t3ex korg wavestation ex akai s3200 x6

      That's good, where you got backlight foils? What about their size, color, voltage, frequency, which inverter could be used for it?



        im in talks with the manufacturer at the moment for getting them to make a vfd exact same size as the 240x64 and pcb fixing holes as its the most used display and they dont do an equivelent yet

      That would be good. Will it be compatible to most synthesizers with 240x64 displays? Will be cable connected, or user has to solder it?



        i have the schems for the tx16w ill see if i can find them for you and send you a pdf

      That would be very helpful. Try to ask me if you need some Service manual, I have huge collection...



        i would say the invertor is gone an easy fix is by a 5v to ac voltage invertor for back lights use the come in a small black plastic case with wire for efoil and wires to connect to a 5v supply just just fit a molex hard drive fitting and get a floppy drive extender cable

        that gives you another floppy drive power conector and a male power
        connector for hard drives this is what i used with the fz1 as the invertor on those is dc to dc and they burn out the efoil quicker

        becuase its an insulated product you can just leave it inside the case i taped mine to the side of the case

        they work well and are made for the newer efoils so they connect straight in

      Where I can buy such inverter and backlight foil?

        you can fit a 40x2 vfd in s900 /s950/roland d50/d550/jd800

        yamaha tx16w

        casio cz range 

        and lots of yam synth especially ones with out efoil circuits as the vfd uses neon lettering and does not require a backlight power conection

        also they dont require a angle voltage because they are good fromn any angle unlike the lcd modules

      Which model is it and where I can buy it?


      Thanks for answers. 

      Daniel Forro

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Roger J 
  To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 10:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] LCD BACKLIGHTS WARNING!!!


    

  http://www.telesisgear.com/id16.html


  I have used them for Korg, Kurzweil and Roland backlights, although not the cheapest around, they are quick to ship and their products have always worked well for me. 



  There are "tricks" to each installation. But that is another subject.


    From: NoëlBuhagiar <laser@...>
    To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com 
    Cc: korg01w-list@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 6:15 AM
    Subject: [vintagesynthrepair] LCD BACKLIGHTS WARNING!!!



      
    sorry guys I also forgot to mention that these backlights are not easy to install at all
    although they come with ready made wires protruding, the area where the connection is made is more to the center then the original Korg backlight that has 2 very thin ‘film-type’ wires coming out of the left side.

    although the backlight itseft is thin and easy to push under the LCD, the connection where the wires are soldered isn’t and also worse then this the guy puts silicone adhesive that makes it more thick and if one is not extremely careful could break the LCD glass.

    if you manage to push it in like I luckily did.. you will end up with a non-professional display with a slightly blackened LCD where the connection is made as this is touching/pushing with the glass.

    so I am still looking from other sources that have the wires coming out from the side as in original korg factory ones

    keep your eyes open everyone!

    ----------------------------------------------------------


    my experience with Glowsafe is different:
    out of 2 backlights sent 1 did not glow (so for me it was not safe like they say at all!)

    have been trying to contact them and sent several emails to no avail – no replies!
    however when I contacted them 1st time by email about sales I was answered immediately by a guy named Paul.

    so at this point I’m stuck with a non-glowing backlight... but the Lord works in mysterious ways and so I leave my faith for the righteous to go forward in HIM.

    so also... I do not recommend Glowsafe at all and be careful!!
    this could be not a company at all but just a one man band freak trying to rip out money from decent people trying to make a living.
    he could even be lurking somewhere around here.. so be warned fellas!

    it’s a pity as I have several 01/WFDs coming all needing backlight replacement plus a general refit etc..
    so guess now with whom I will make my order with:
    http://www.backlight4you.com/index.php/cat/c130_EL-Replacements.html/XTCsid/49b0c430a5444dc2a95ac348a81949cf 


    If any tech on this forum has alternative sources please be kind enough as to mention it here thanks
    after all.. that’s what forums are for, right?

    Cheers and good work and health to you all.

    --------------------


      
    they are the perfect fit for the 240x64 lcd displays they all use an equivelent lcd display size dont need to cut the efoil as they fit them all

    they sell an invertor to fit it to

    but e foils all work on the same low amp high frequency ac voltage 200-400 hz the high the frequency the brighter the display but also the higher the frequency the quicker burn out

    they also work on dc 150v-200vdc but burn out a lot quicker with this vaultage

    the invertors range from 5v to 200-400 ac voltage hz and 12v to 200-400 hz

    it all depends where you are taking the voltage from

    the tx16w uses both on its floppy drive so its easy for you to choose

    also being in japan there is a chinese firm that does them aswell 

    but those you will have to cut to size your self but come in variuos colours

    glowsafe efoils are the standard whitish blue light

    i used to cut my own but glowsafe are so cheap that it safe me the time effert in doing it as its already done for me but they only do the one colour thats the white blue light

    with the manufacture of the vfd it will be exact same header so all you have to do is remove the ribbon header and fit new ribbon header

    thats what i do with all the 40x2 vfd displays



    noritake itron uk i use but they have a usa factory and one in japan 

    noritake japan

    for the tx16w its the 40x2 vfd display

    pdf for it is added

    just solder the same 14 connections no back light needed and no nasty whining noise from faild efoil

    you buy direct from noritake good service fast delivery and the best display there is you can stand 3 meters away and still read what on the screen

    unlike a lcd become total blank at a few paces

    go onto there web site and 
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Daniel Forró 
      To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com 
      Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 4:09 PM
      Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Korg X5 keys not working

        
      On May 12, 2012, at 10:12 PM, jammie wrote:





        optrex stop doing those displays becuase they were not rhos compliant

        they have equivelents same spec but use led back lights meaning they are about 7mm thicker some synths its not a problem but others it is

        but becuase yours is ccfl the led backlight versions are about the same size

        where are you based as optrex factory is in the usa

      I'm in Japan, but nowadays shouldn't be problem to order from USA. I tried to find modern substitution but they differs in some spec parameters so I'm not sure if it will work...



        just do the back light foils on most of those

        safeglow in uk £7 for the back light cheap as chips and they work great they come with long wires so it does not mater if the terminal are in a different place and as seeing the glue terminals are done at factor and you are soldering just the wires it does not distroy the backlight with soldering

        i have fitted them to my sy99 sy85 kurzweil k2000 kawai k5 and k5000

        01w t1 and t3ex korg wavestation ex akai s3200 x6

      That's good, where you got backlight foils? What about their size, color, voltage, frequency, which inverter could be used for it?



        im in talks with the manufacturer at the moment for getting them to make a vfd exact same size as the 240x64 and pcb fixing holes as its the most used display and they dont do an equivelent yet

      That would be good. Will it be compatible to most synthesizers with 240x64 displays? Will be cable connected, or user has to solder it?



        i have the schems for the tx16w ill see if i can find them for you and send you a pdf

      That would be very helpful. Try to ask me if you need some Service manual, I have huge collection...



        i would say the invertor is gone an easy fix is by a 5v to ac voltage invertor for back lights use the come in a small black plastic case with wire for efoil and wires to connect to a 5v supply just just fit a molex hard drive fitting and get a floppy drive extender cable

        that gives you another floppy drive power conector and a male power
        connector for hard drives this is what i used with the fz1 as the invertor on those is dc to dc and they burn out the efoil quicker

        becuase its an insulated product you can just leave it inside the case i taped mine to the side of the case

        they work well and are made for the newer efoils so they connect straight in

      Where I can buy such inverter and backlight foil?

        you can fit a 40x2 vfd in s900 /s950/roland d50/d550/jd800

        yamaha tx16w

        casio cz range 

        and lots of yam synth especially ones with out efoil circuits as the vfd uses neon lettering and does not require a backlight power conection

        also they dont require a angle voltage because they are good fromn any angle unlike the lcd modules

      Which model is it and where I can buy it?


      Thanks for answers. 

      Daniel Forro

>
> Ok, now you\u2019re talkin!
> What I do not understand is why sell a non working product to someone 
> if you know that is does not work
> and if he didn\u2019t know that it does not work why not accept it back if 
> client is not satisfied?
> If he does this he surely would not get long term customers. And also 
> eventually after time he would get no respect and satisfaction at all 
> and gain nothing from his work.
> One thing I know for sure is when you make an order and deal with a 
> reliable respectful company and make a claim, they always send replies 
> and try to sort the matter out. But I will not stop here as luckily I 
> have good reliable relations with The British Embassy whom they will 
> enquire about his advertising on the net as he should fall in-line as 
> stipulated by the law.
> If backlight4you are same, then I do not want them; in fact I will 
> enquire and ask about this in advance.
> I do not want to take the risk of breaking an LCD as also it would be 
> a pity
> just for the carelessness of someone else.
> I like to work professionally as best I could; I think that leads 
> coming out from the side as original is the way to go.
> You guys know how that proverb goes... O
> nce bitten, twice shy.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> \ufeff
>
> i had 6 from him and had no problems
> but i think you might be right
> as all backlights have now been removed from there site for synths
> i reckin he made some for himself and had a few spare
> and you must off had the last of them
> i also use a guy from china and his displays are the same size and the 
> cables come out at the side and not the middle like the glow safe
> but you have to trim them to fit the 01w
> as for backlight4you there terminals also come out the middle and you 
> have to solder wires to then so that you can solder wires to the terminals
> but all connections are done out side of the glass
> or buy your own sheet if you have plenty todo then make them up your 
> self that way you can put the wires whre you want them
> itseasy todo
> i just used the glow safe ones as it was already done for me
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* No�lBuhagiar <mailto:laser@...>
>     *To:* vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com>
>     *Cc:* korg01w-list@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:korg01w-list@yahoogroups.com>
>     *Sent:* Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:15 PM
>     *Subject:* [vintagesynthrepair] LCD BACKLIGHTS WARNING!!!
>
>     sorry guys I also forgot to mention that these backlights are not
>     easy to install at all
>     although they come with ready made wires protruding, the area
>     where the connection is made is more to the center then the
>     original Korg backlight that has 2 very thin \u2018film-type\u2019 wires
>     coming out of the left side.
>     although the backlight itseft is thin and easy to push under the
>     LCD, the connection where the wires are soldered isn\u2019t and also
>     worse then this the guy puts silicone adhesive that makes it more
>     thick and if one is not extremely careful could break the LCD glass.
>     if you manage to push it in like I luckily did.. you will end up
>     with a non-professional display with a slightly blackened LCD
>     where the connection is made as this is touching/pushing with the
>     glass.
>     so I am still looking from other sources that have the wires
>     coming out from the side as in original korg factory ones
>     keep your eyes open everyone!
>     ----------------------------------------------------------
>     my experience with Glowsafe is different:
>     out of 2 backlights sent 1 did not glow (so for me it was not safe
>     like they say at all!)
>     have been trying to contact them and sent several emails to no
>     avail \u2013 no replies!
>     however when I contacted them 1st time by email about sales I was
>     answered immediately by a guy named Paul.
>     so at this point I\u2019m stuck with a non-glowing backlight... but the
>     Lord works in mysterious ways and so I leave my faith for the
>     righteous to go forward in HIM.
>     so also...*I do not recommend Glowsafe at all and be careful!!*
>     this could be not a company at all but just a one man band freak
>     trying to rip out money from decent people trying to make a living.
>     he could even be lurking somewhere around here.. so be warned fellas!
>     it\u2019s a pity as I have several 01/WFDs coming all needing backlight
>     replacement plus a general refit etc..
>     so guess now with whom I will make my order with:
>     http://www.backlight4you.com/index.php/cat/c130_EL-Replacements.html/XTCsid/49b0c430a5444dc2a95ac348a81949cf
>     If any tech on this forum has alternative sources please be kind
>     enough as to mention it here thanks
>     after all.. that\u2019s what forums are for, right?
>     Cheers and good work and health to you all.
>     --------------------
>
>     they are the perfect fit for the 240x64 lcd displays they all use
>     an equivelent lcd display size dont need to cut the efoil as they
>     fit them all
>     they sell an invertor to fit it to
>     but e foils all work on the same low amp high frequency ac voltage
>     200-400 hz the high the frequency the brighter the display but
>     also the higher the frequency the quicker burn out
>     they also work on dc 150v-200vdc but burn out a lot quicker with
>     this vaultage
>     the invertors range from 5v to 200-400 ac voltage hz and 12v to
>     200-400 hz
>     it all depends where you are taking the voltage from
>     the tx16w uses both on its floppy drive so its easy for you to choose
>     also being in japan there is a chinese firm that does them aswell
>     but those you will have to cut to size your self but come in
>     variuos colours
>     glowsafe efoils are the standard whitish blue light
>     i used to cut my own but glowsafe are so cheap that it safe me the
>     time effert in doing it as its already done for me but they only
>     do the one colour thats the white blue light
>     with the manufacture of the vfd it will be exact same header so
>     all you have to do is remove the ribbon header and fit new ribbon
>     header
>     thats what i do with all the 40x2 vfd displays
>     noritake itron uk i use but they have a usa factory and one in japan
>     noritake japan
>     for the tx16w its the 40x2 vfd display
>     pdf for it is added
>     just solder the same 14 connections no back light needed and no
>     nasty whining noise from faild efoil
>     you buy direct from noritake good service fast delivery and the
>     best display there is you can stand 3 meters away and still read
>     what on the screen
>     unlike a lcd become total blank at a few paces
>     go onto there web site and
>
>         ----- Original Message -----
>         *From:* Daniel Forr� <mailto:dan.for@...>
>         *To:* vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
>         <mailto:vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com>
>         *Sent:* Saturday, May 12, 2012 4:09 PM
>         *Subject:* Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Korg X5 keys not working
>
>         On May 12, 2012, at 10:12 PM, jammie wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>         optrex stop doing those displays becuase they were not rhos
>>         compliant
>>         they have equivelents same spec but use led back lights
>>         meaning they are about 7mm thicker some synths its not a
>>         problem but others it is
>>         but becuase yours is ccfl the led backlight versions are
>>         about the same size
>>         where are you based as optrex factory is in the usa
>         I'm in Japan, but nowadays shouldn't be problem to order from
>         USA. I tried to find modern substitution but they differs in
>         some spec parameters so I'm not sure if it will work...
>
>>         just do the back light foils on most of those
>>         safeglow in uk �7 for the back light cheap as chips and they
>>         work great they come with long wires so it does not mater if
>>         the terminal are in a different place and as seeing the glue
>>         terminals are done at factor and you are soldering just the
>>         wires it does not distroy the backlight with soldering
>>         i have fitted them to my sy99 sy85 kurzweil k2000 kawai k5
>>         and k5000
>>         01w t1 and t3ex korg wavestation ex akai s3200 x6
>         That's good, where you got backlight foils? What about their
>         size, color, voltage, frequency, which inverter could be used
>         for it?
>
>>         im in talks with the manufacturer at the moment for getting
>>         them to make a vfd exact same size as the 240x64 and pcb
>>         fixing holes as its the most used display and they dont do an
>>         equivelent yet
>         That would be good. Will it be compatible to most synthesizers
>         with 240x64 displays? Will be cable connected, or user has to
>         solder it?
>
>>         i have the schems for the tx16w ill see if i can find them
>>         for you and send you a pdf
>         That would be very helpful. Try to ask me if you need some
>         Service manual, I have huge collection...
>
>>         i would say the invertor is gone an easy fix is by a 5v to ac
>>         voltage invertor for back lights use the come in a small
>>         black plastic case with wire for efoil and wires to connect
>>         to a 5v supply just just fit a molex hard drive fitting and
>>         get a floppy drive extender cable
>>         that gives you another floppy drive power conector and a male
>>         power
>>         connector for hard drives this is what i used with the fz1 as
>>         the invertor on those is dc to dc and they burn out the efoil
>>         quicker
>>         becuase its an insulated product you can just leave it inside
>>         the case i taped mine to the side of the case
>>         they work well and are made for the newer efoils so they
>>         connect straight in
>         Where I can buy such inverter and backlight foil?
>>         you can fit a 40x2 vfd in s900 /s950/roland d50/d550/jd800
>>         yamaha tx16w
>>         casio cz range
>>         and lots of yam synth especially ones with out efoil circuits
>>         as the vfd uses neon lettering and does not require a
>>         backlight power conection
>>         also they dont require a angle voltage because they are good
>>         fromn any angle unlike the lcd modules
>         Which model is it and where I can buy it?
>
>         Thanks for answers.
>         Daniel Forro
>
> 
>
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On 16/05/2012, at 7:39 AM, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:

> 
> 
> well i have bad experience with them
>  
> same problems to big for said display the terminals were in the wrong location and he did the cathode and anode the opposite way round
>  
> so when i tested it the light came on shining to the back of the display instead of forwards
>  
> and then he said i fitted it wrong
>  
> but i tested before soldering as i always do save having to desolder
>  
> if it dont work 
>  
> but i have been a repair tech since i was 19 after doing my hnd electrical engineering and city and guild repair and diagnostics
>  
> and was a repair tech for ensoniq for 15 years
>  
> thats why i have been doing vfd upgrades as they are a better display and require no backlights
>  
> and am in talks and awaiting samples of a prototype display to replace the 240x64 lcd display
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Roger J
> To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 10:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] LCD BACKLIGHTS WARNING!!!
> 
>  
> http://www.telesisgear.com/id16.html
> 
> I have used them for Korg, Kurzweil and Roland backlights, although not the cheapest around, they are quick to ship and their products have always worked well for me. 
> 
> There are "tricks" to each installation. But that is another subject.
> 
> From: NoëlBuhagiar <laser@onvol.net>
> To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com 
> Cc: korg01w-list@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 6:15 AM
> Subject: [vintagesynthrepair] LCD BACKLIGHTS WARNING!!!
> 
>  
> sorry guys I also forgot to mention that these backlights are not easy to install at all
> although they come with ready made wires protruding, the area where the connection is made is more to the center then the original Korg backlight that has 2 very thin ‘film-type’ wires coming out of the left side.
>  
> although the backlight itseft is thin and easy to push under the LCD, the connection where the wires are soldered isn’t and also worse then this the guy puts silicone adhesive that makes it more thick and if one is not extremely careful could break the LCD glass.
>  
> if you manage to push it in like I luckily did.. you will end up with a non-professional display with a slightly blackened LCD where the connection      is made as this is touching/pushing with the glass.
>  
> so I am still looking from other sources that have the wires coming out from the side as in original korg factory ones
>  
> keep your eyes open everyone!
>  
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>  
>  
> my experience with Glowsafe is different:
> out of 2 backlights sent 1 did not glow (so for me it was not safe like they say at all!)
>  
> have been trying to contact them and sent several emails to no avail – no replies!
> however when I contacted them 1st time by email about sales I was answered immediately by a guy named Paul.
>  
> so at this point I’m stuck with a non-glowing backlight... but the Lord works in mysterious ways and so I leave my faith for the righteous to go forward in HIM.
>  
> so also... I do not recommend Glowsafe at all and be careful!!
> this could be not a company at all but just a one man band freak trying to rip out money from decent people trying to make a living.
> he could even be lurking somewhere around here.. so be warned fellas!
>  
> it’s a pity as I have several 01/WFDs coming all needing backlight replacement plus a general refit etc..
> so guess now with whom I will make my order with:
> http://www.backlight4you.com/index.php/cat/c130_EL-Replacements.html/XTCsid/49b0c430a5444dc2a95ac348a81949cf 
>  
> If any tech on this forum has alternative sources please be kind enough as to mention it here thanks
> after all.. that’s what forums are for, right?
>  
> Cheers and good work and health to you all.
>  
> --------------------
>  
>  
>  
> they are the perfect fit for the 240x64 lcd displays they all use an equivelent lcd display size dont need to cut the efoil as they fit them all
>  
> they sell an invertor to fit it to
>  
> but e foils all work on the same low amp high frequency ac voltage 200-400 hz the high the frequency the brighter the display but also the higher the frequency the quicker burn out
>  
> they also work on dc 150v-200vdc but burn out a lot quicker with this vaultage
>  
> the invertors range from 5v to 200-400 ac voltage hz and 12v to 200-400 hz
>  
> it all depends where you are taking the voltage from
>  
> the tx16w uses both on its floppy drive so its easy for you to choose
>  
> also being in japan there is a chinese firm that does them aswell
>  
> but those you will have to cut to size your self but come in variuos colours
>  
> glowsafe efoils are the standard whitish blue light
>  
> i used to cut my own but glowsafe are so cheap that it safe me the time effert in doing it as its already done for me but they only do the one colour thats the white blue light
>  
> with the manufacture of the vfd it will be exact same header so all you have to do is remove the ribbon header and fit new ribbon header
>  
> thats what i do with all the 40x2 vfd displays
>  
>  
>  
> noritake itron uk i use but they have a usa factory and one in japan
>  
> noritake japan
>  
> for the tx16w its the 40x2 vfd display
>  
> pdf for it is added
>  
> just solder the same 14 connections no back light needed and no nasty whining noise from faild efoil
>  
> you buy direct from noritake good service fast delivery and the best display there is you can stand 3 meters away and still read what on the screen
>  
> unlike a lcd become total blank at a few paces
>  
> go onto there web site and
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Daniel Forró
> To: vintagesynthrepair@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 4:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [vintagesynthrepair] Korg X5 keys not working
>  
>  
> On May 12, 2012, at 10:12 PM, jammie wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> optrex stop doing those displays becuase they were not rhos compliant
>>  
>> they have equivelents same spec but use led back lights meaning they are about 7mm thicker some synths its not a problem but others it is
>>  
>> but becuase yours is ccfl the led backlight versions are about the same size
>>  
>> where are you based as optrex factory is in the usa
>  
> I'm in Japan, but nowadays shouldn't be problem to order from USA. I        tried to find modern substitution but they differs in some spec parameters so I'm not sure if it will work...
> 
>>  
>> just do the back light foils on most of those
>>  
>> safeglow in uk £7 for the back light cheap as chips and they work great they come with long wires so it does not mater if the terminal are in a different place and as seeing the glue terminals are done at factor and you are soldering just the wires it does not distroy the backlight with soldering
>>  
>> i have fitted them to my sy99 sy85 kurzweil k2000 kawai k5 and k5000
>>  
>> 01w t1 and t3ex korg wavestation ex akai s3200 x6
>  
> That's good, where you got backlight foils? What about their size, color, voltage, frequency, which inverter could be used for it?
> 
>>  
>> im in talks with the manufacturer at the moment for getting them to make a vfd exact same size as the 240x64 and pcb fixing holes as its the most used display and they dont do an equivelent yet
>  
> That would be good. Will it be compatible to most synthesizers with 240x64 displays? Will be cable connected, or user has to solder it?
> 
>>  
>> i have the schems for the tx16w ill see if i can find them for you and send you a pdf
>  
> That would be very helpful. Try to ask me if you need some Service manual, I have huge collection...
> 
>>  
>> i would say the invertor is gone an easy fix is by a 5v to ac voltage invertor for back lights use the come in a small black plastic case with wire for efoil and wires to connect to a 5v supply just just fit a molex hard drive fitting and get a floppy drive extender cable
>>  
>> that gives you another floppy drive power conector and a male power
>> connector for hard drives this is what i used with the fz1 as the invertor on those is dc to dc and they burn out the efoil quicker
>>  
>> becuase its an insulated product you can just leave it inside the case i taped mine to the side of the case
>>  
>> they work well and are made for the newer efoils so they connect straight in
>  
> Where I can buy such inverter and backlight foil?
>>  
>> you can fit a 40x2 vfd in s900 /s950/roland d50/d550/jd800
>>  
>> yamaha tx16w
>>  
>> casio cz range
>>  
>> and lots of yam synth especially ones with out efoil circuits as the vfd uses neon lettering and does not require a backlight power conection
>>  
>> also they dont require a angle voltage because they are good fromn any angle unlike the lcd modules
>  
> Which model is it and where I can buy it?
> 
>> 
> Thanks for answers.
>  
> Daniel Forro
> 
> 
>

On May 12, 2012, at 10:12 PM, jammie wrote:

>
>
>
> i have the schems for the tx16w ill see if i can find them for you  
> and send you a pdf
>
> i would say the invertor is gone an easy fix is by a 5v to ac  
> voltage invertor for back lights use the come in a small black  
> plastic case with wire for efoil and wires to connect to a 5v supply  
> just just fit a molex hard drive fitting and get a floppy drive  
> extender cable
>
> that gives you another floppy drive power conector and a male power
> connector for hard drives this is what i used with the fz1 as the  
> invertor on those is dc to dc and they burn out the efoil quicker
>
> becuase its an insulated product you can just leave it inside the  
> case i taped mine to the side of the case
>
> they work well and are made for the newer efoils so they connect  
> straight in
>