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Korg Polysix MIDI retrofit & sys-ex protocol

2013-10-15 by <spuzroy@yahoo.com>

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RE: Korg Polysix MIDI retrofit & sys-ex protocol

2013-11-10 by <moogchild@yahoo.es>

Thank you for your pics and the user manual, they have been very useful to me. I have one board of the 1986 Korg USA P6 Midi Retrofit, but with no instructions at all about how to install it. Do you have a copy of the installation procedure?. Best regards.



---In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, <spuzroy@...> wrote:

Hi I posted a scan of the MIDI retrofit manual in the Files section. I have a few questions for this group.
Is there anyone else out there who has this retrofit?
Do any of the other Polysix retrofits support the same sys-ex protocol (messages)?

I have been developing an editor using Cycling74 MAX. It also allows for iPad control via their Mira 'extension' (for the Polysix, or any other synth that one can build an editor for, or just about anything MIDI). I am curious how much interest there is for iPad control of the Polysix and/or an editor/librarian.
I have the bitmapping and sys-ex all worked out and can edit and update the P6 with single parameters, single patches or bulk dumps of 120 patches. I also have converted and mapped (sysex to CC) the Polysix's parameter values to control the Polysix plug-in, and well - the resultant sounds do not even come close between the real thing and the plug-in, with the exact same settings. Or after they are tweaked. (but I still like the soft P6...marketing aside)

I don't know if I will release any apps for public consumption, but maybe there's some interest? I currently only use MacOS as I don't use Windows, but MAX supports PC's too. thanks, -Brian

RE: [PolySix] RE: Korg Polysix MIDI retrofit & sys-ex protocol

2013-11-10 by tim p

Seconded!

I need to work on my factory retrofitted P6 too, and the MIDI Retrofit installation / service notes would be fantastic.

I have searched online but found nothing yet.

Anyone able to help me and Moogchild ?

Purlease :)
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From: moogchild@yahoo.es<mailto:moogchild@yahoo.es>
Sent: ‎10/‎11/‎2013 20:40
To: PolySix@yahoogroups.com<mailto:PolySix@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [PolySix] RE: Korg Polysix MIDI retrofit & sys-ex protocol

 Thank you for your pics and the user manual, they have been very useful to me. I have one board of the 1986 Korg USA P6 Midi Retrofit, but with no instructions at all about how to install it. Do you have a copy of the installation procedure?. Best regards.


---In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, <spuzroy@...> wrote:

 Hi I posted a scan of the MIDI retrofit manual in the Files section. I have a few questions for this group.  Is there anyone else out there who has this retrofit?
 Do any of the other Polysix retrofits support the same sys-ex protocol (messages)?


 I have been developing an editor using Cycling74 MAX. It also allows for iPad control via their Mira 'extension' (for the Polysix, or any other synth that one can build an editor for, or just about anything MIDI). I am curious how much interest there is for iPad control of the Polysix and/or an editor/librarian.
 I have the bitmapping and sys-ex all worked out and can edit and update the P6 with single parameters, single patches or bulk dumps of 120 patches. I also have converted and mapped (sysex to CC) the Polysix's parameter values to control the Polysix plug-in, and well - the resultant sounds do not even come close between the real thing and the plug-in, with the exact same settings. Or after they are tweaked. (but I still like the soft P6...marketing aside)


 I don't know if I will release any apps for public consumption, but maybe there's some interest? I currently only use MacOS as I don't use Windows, but MAX supports PC's too. thanks, -Brian

RE: RE: [PolySix] RE: Korg Polysix MIDI retrofit & sys-ex protocol

2013-11-11 by <spuzroy@yahoo.com>

I don't have the schematics, etc. for the official Korg polysix MIDI retrofit unfortunately. The service tech who installed the kit (in the mid 80's) kept them, and then closed down his business over 10 years ago. I haven't spoken with him in many years to see whether he kept all the documentation he had accumulated. I don't think Korg USA could provide them either as it's been so long ago...(maybe it's an obvious question but) did you try to contact Korg?

regards, - Brian



---In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, <target9@...> wrote:

Seconded!

I need to work on my factory retrofitted P6 too, and the MIDI Retrofit installation / service notes would be fantastic.

I have searched online but found nothing yet.

Anyone able to help me and Moogchild ?

Purlease :)
From: moogchild@...
Sent: ‎10/‎11/‎2013 20:40
To: PolySix@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PolySix] RE: Korg Polysix MIDI retrofit & sys-ex protocol

Thank you for your pics and the user manual, they have been very useful to me. I have one board of the 1986 Korg USA P6 Midi Retrofit, but with no instructions at all about how to install it. Do you have a copy of the installation procedure?. Best regards.



---In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, <spuzroy@...> wrote:

Hi I posted a scan of the MIDI retrofit manual in the Files section. I have a few questions for this group.
Is there anyone else out there who has this retrofit?
Do any of the other Polysix retrofits support the same sys-ex protocol (messages)?

I have been developing an editor using Cycling74 MAX. It also allows for iPad control via their Mira 'extension' (for the Polysix, or any other synth that one can build an editor for, or just about anything MIDI). I am curious how much interest there is for iPad control of the Polysix and/or an editor/librarian.
I have the bitmapping and sys-ex all worked out and can edit and update the P6 with single parameters, single patches or bulk dumps of 120 patches. I also have converted and mapped (sysex to CC) the Polysix's parameter values to control the Polysix plug-in, and well - the resultant sounds do not even come close between the real thing and the plug-in, with the exact same settings. Or after they are tweaked. (but I still like the soft P6...marketing aside)

I don't know if I will release any apps for public consumption, but maybe there's some interest? I currently only use MacOS as I don't use Windows, but MAX supports PC's too. thanks, -Brian

RE: RE: [PolySix] RE: Korg Polysix MIDI retrofit & sys-ex protocol

2013-11-12 by tim p

Good news

I tried Korg UK again and spoke to a very helpful chap who has provided the retrofit installation manual 😊

I will upload later this evening.

Cheers

Tim
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From: spuzroy@yahoo.com<mailto:spuzroy@yahoo.com>
Sent: ‎11/‎11/‎2013 16:36
To: PolySix@yahoogroups.com<mailto:PolySix@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: RE: [PolySix] RE: Korg Polysix MIDI retrofit & sys-ex protocol

I don't have the schematics, etc. for the official Korg polysix MIDI retrofit unfortunately. The service tech who installed the kit (in the mid 80's) kept them, and then closed down his business over 10 years ago. I haven't spoken with him in many years to see whether he kept all the documentation he had accumulated. I don't think Korg USA could provide them either as it's been so long ago...(maybe it's an obvious question but) did you try to contact Korg?
 regards, - Brian


---In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, <target9@...> wrote:

 Seconded!

 I need to work on my factory retrofitted P6 too, and the MIDI Retrofit installation / service notes would be fantastic.

 I have searched online but found nothing yet.

 Anyone able to help me and Moogchild ?

 Purlease :)

 From: moogchild@... mailto:moogchild@...
 Sent: ‎10/‎11/‎2013 20:40
 To: PolySix@yahoogroups.com mailto:PolySix@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [PolySix] RE: Korg Polysix MIDI retrofit & sys-ex protocol


    Thank you for your pics and the user manual, they have been very useful to me. I have one board of the 1986 Korg USA P6 Midi Retrofit, but with no instructions at all about how to install it. Do you have a copy of the installation procedure?. Best regards.


 ---In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, <spuzroy@...> wrote:

 Hi I posted a scan of the MIDI retrofit manual in the Files section. I have a few questions for this group.  Is there anyone else out there who has this retrofit?
 Do any of the other Polysix retrofits support the same sys-ex protocol (messages)?


 I have been developing an editor using Cycling74 MAX. It also allows for iPad control via their Mira 'extension' (for the Polysix, or any other synth that one can build an editor for, or just about anything MIDI). I am curious how much interest there is for iPad control of the Polysix and/or an editor/librarian.
 I have the bitmapping and sys-ex all worked out and can edit and update the P6 with single parameters, single patches or bulk dumps of 120 patches. I also have converted and mapped (sysex to CC) the Polysix's parameter values to control the Polysix plug-in, and well - the resultant sounds do not even come close between the real thing and the plug-in, with the exact same settings. Or after they are tweaked. (but I still like the soft P6...marketing aside)


 I don't know if I will release any apps for public consumption, but maybe there's some interest? I currently only use MacOS as I don't use Windows, but MAX supports PC's too. thanks, -Brian

RE: RE: RE: [PolySix] RE: Korg Polysix MIDI retrofit & sys-ex protocol

2013-11-12 by tim p

I have a reminder in my phone to upload the doc 😉
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From: moogchild synthdrome<mailto:moogchild@yahoo.es>
Sent: ‎12/‎11/‎2013 16:56
To: PolySix@yahoogroups.com<mailto:PolySix@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: RE: RE: [PolySix] RE: Korg Polysix MIDI retrofit & sys-ex protocol

GREAT!!! Thank you very much!!!

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RE: Korg Polysix MIDI retrofit & sys-ex protocol

2013-11-13 by <target9@hotmail.com>

I have just uploaded the Korg MIDI retrofit Service-Installation manual (from Korg UK Nov2013) to the files section.


Cheers


Tim





---In polysix@yahoogroups.com, <target9@...> wrote:

I have a reminder in my phone to upload the doc 😉
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: moogchild synthdrome
Sent: ‎12/‎11/‎2013 16:56
To: PolySix@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: RE: [PolySix] RE: Korg Polysix MIDI retrofit & sys-ex protocol

GREAT!!! Thank you very much!!!

Enviado desde Yahoo Mail con Android


From: tim p <target9@...>;
To: PolySix@yahoogroups.com <PolySix@yahoogroups.com>;
Subject: RE: RE: [PolySix] RE: Korg Polysix MIDI retrofit sys-ex protocol
Sent: Tue, Nov 12, 2013 4:52:26 PM

Good news

I tried Korg UK again and spoke to a very helpful chap who has provided the retrofit installation manual 😊

I will upload later this evening.

Cheers

Tim
From: spuzroy@...
Sent: ‎11/‎11/‎2013 16:36
To: PolySix@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: RE: [PolySix] RE: Korg Polysix MIDI retrofit & sys-ex protocol

I don't have the schematics, etc. for the official Korg polysix MIDI retrofit unfortunately. The service tech who installed the kit (in the mid 80's) kept them, and then closed down his business over 10 years ago. I haven't spoken with him in many years to see whether he kept all the documentation he had accumulated. I don't think Korg USA could provide them either as it's been so long ago...(maybe it's an obvious question but) did you try to contact Korg?

regards, - Brian



---In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, <target9@...> wrote:

Seconded!

I need to work on my factory retrofitted P6 too, and the MIDI Retrofit installation / service notes would be fantastic.

I have searched online but found nothing yet.

Anyone able to help me and Moogchild ?

Purlease :)
From: moogchild@...
Sent: ‎10/‎11/‎2013 20:40
To: PolySix@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PolySix] RE: Korg Polysix MIDI retrofit & sys-ex protocol

Thank you for your pics and the user manual, they have been very useful to me. I have one board of the 1986 Korg USA P6 Midi Retrofit, but with no instructions at all about how to install it. Do you have a copy of the installation procedure?. Best regards.



---In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, <spuzroy@...> wrote:

Hi I posted a scan of the MIDI retrofit manual in the Files section. I have a few questions for this group.
Is there anyone else out there who has this retrofit?
Do any of the other Polysix retrofits support the same sys-ex protocol (messages)?

I have been developing an editor using Cycling74 MAX. It also allows for iPad control via their Mira 'extension' (for the Polysix, or any other synth that one can build an editor for, or just about anything MIDI). I am curious how much interest there is for iPad control of the Polysix and/or an editor/librarian.
I have the bitmapping and sys-ex all worked out and can edit and update the P6 with single parameters, single patches or bulk dumps of 120 patches. I also have converted and mapped (sysex to CC) the Polysix's parameter values to control the Polysix plug-in, and well - the resultant sounds do not even come close between the real thing and the plug-in, with the exact same settings. Or after they are tweaked. (but I still like the soft P6...marketing aside)

I don't know if I will release any apps for public consumption, but maybe there's some interest? I currently only use MacOS as I don't use Windows, but MAX supports PC's too. thanks, -Brian

RE: Korg Polysix MIDI retrofit & sys-ex protocol

2013-11-13 by <moogchild@yahoo.es>

That doc is exactly what I needed!. Now I'm able to install the midi board in my P6, as the midi jack board and the aditional power supply are easy to built. Thank you very much!



---In polysix@yahoogroups.com, <target9@...> wrote:

I have just uploaded the Korg MIDI retrofit Service-Installation manual (from Korg UK Nov2013) to the files section.


Cheers


Tim





---In polysix@yahoogroups.com, <target9@...> wrote:

I have a reminder in my phone to upload the doc 😉
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: moogchild synthdrome
Sent: ‎12/‎11/‎2013 16:56
To: PolySix@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: RE: [PolySix] RE: Korg Polysix MIDI retrofit & sys-ex protocol

GREAT!!! Thank you very much!!!

Enviado desde Yahoo Mail con Android


From: tim p <target9@...>;
To: PolySix@yahoogroups.com <PolySix@yahoogroups.com>;
Subject: RE: RE: [PolySix] RE: Korg Polysix MIDI retrofit sys-ex protocol
Sent: Tue, Nov 12, 2013 4:52:26 PM

Good news

I tried Korg UK again and spoke to a very helpful chap who has provided the retrofit installation manual 😊

I will upload later this evening.

Cheers

Tim
From: spuzroy@...
Sent: ‎11/‎11/‎2013 16:36
To: PolySix@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: RE: [PolySix] RE: Korg Polysix MIDI retrofit & sys-ex protocol

I don't have the schematics, etc. for the official Korg polysix MIDI retrofit unfortunately. The service tech who installed the kit (in the mid 80's) kept them, and then closed down his business over 10 years ago. I haven't spoken with him in many years to see whether he kept all the documentation he had accumulated. I don't think Korg USA could provide them either as it's been so long ago...(maybe it's an obvious question but) did you try to contact Korg?

regards, - Brian



---In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, <target9@...> wrote:

Seconded!

I need to work on my factory retrofitted P6 too, and the MIDI Retrofit installation / service notes would be fantastic.

I have searched online but found nothing yet.

Anyone able to help me and Moogchild ?

Purlease :)
From: moogchild@...
Sent: ‎10/‎11/‎2013 20:40
To: PolySix@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PolySix] RE: Korg Polysix MIDI retrofit & sys-ex protocol

Thank you for your pics and the user manual, they have been very useful to me. I have one board of the 1986 Korg USA P6 Midi Retrofit, but with no instructions at all about how to install it. Do you have a copy of the installation procedure?. Best regards.



---In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, <spuzroy@...> wrote:

Hi I posted a scan of the MIDI retrofit manual in the Files section. I have a few questions for this group.
Is there anyone else out there who has this retrofit?
Do any of the other Polysix retrofits support the same sys-ex protocol (messages)?

I have been developing an editor using Cycling74 MAX. It also allows for iPad control via their Mira 'extension' (for the Polysix, or any other synth that one can build an editor for, or just about anything MIDI). I am curious how much interest there is for iPad control of the Polysix and/or an editor/librarian.
I have the bitmapping and sys-ex all worked out and can edit and update the P6 with single parameters, single patches or bulk dumps of 120 patches. I also have converted and mapped (sysex to CC) the Polysix's parameter values to control the Polysix plug-in, and well - the resultant sounds do not even come close between the real thing and the plug-in, with the exact same settings. Or after they are tweaked. (but I still like the soft P6...marketing aside)

I don't know if I will release any apps for public consumption, but maybe there's some interest? I currently only use MacOS as I don't use Windows, but MAX supports PC's too. thanks, -Brian

RE: RE: RE: RE: [PolySix] RE: Korg Polysix MIDI retrofit & sys-ex protocol

2013-11-14 by <spuzroy@yahoo.com>

Thanks for making the installation doc available! I have a few more things to add in regards to the retrofit kit - 1) it added to the noise floor of my Polysix, but I learned to live with it. More of a hiss than a grounding sound. If/when anyone goes to install this kit I highly recommend considering any means of electrical isolation / insulation. I didn't ask the service tech to try to 'clean up' the noise - I just figured he did the best he could at the time. The ambient noise is easily gated out of any mix - it's not excessive.

2) After the tech installed the retrofit, I remember the oscillators went way out of tune. So it'll probably need a re-calibration as well. Amazingly (knock on wood) the oscillators are still in tune after all this time (and after a battery leakage rescue operation).

The positive side of having this kit installed is lots more patch memory, with outboard MIDI storage, and of course MIDI control of almost all of the parameters via sys-ex.

good luck! -Brian



---In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, <target9@...> wrote:

I have a reminder in my phone to upload the doc 😉
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: moogchild synthdrome
Sent: ‎12/‎11/‎2013 16:56
To: PolySix@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: RE: [PolySix] RE: Korg Polysix MIDI retrofit & sys-ex protocol

GREAT!!! Thank you very much!!!

Enviado desde Yahoo Mail con Android


From: tim p <target9@...>;
To: PolySix@yahoogroups.com <PolySix@yahoogroups.com>;
Subject: RE: RE: [PolySix] RE: Korg Polysix MIDI retrofit sys-ex protocol
Sent: Tue, Nov 12, 2013 4:52:26 PM

Good news

I tried Korg UK again and spoke to a very helpful chap who has provided the retrofit installation manual 😊

I will upload later this evening.

Cheers

Tim
From: spuzroy@...
Sent: ‎11/‎11/‎2013 16:36
To: PolySix@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: RE: [PolySix] RE: Korg Polysix MIDI retrofit & sys-ex protocol

I don't have the schematics, etc. for the official Korg polysix MIDI retrofit unfortunately. The service tech who installed the kit (in the mid 80's) kept them, and then closed down his business over 10 years ago. I haven't spoken with him in many years to see whether he kept all the documentation he had accumulated. I don't think Korg USA could provide them either as it's been so long ago...(maybe it's an obvious question but) did you try to contact Korg?

regards, - Brian



---In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, <target9@...> wrote:

Seconded!

I need to work on my factory retrofitted P6 too, and the MIDI Retrofit installation / service notes would be fantastic.

I have searched online but found nothing yet.

Anyone able to help me and Moogchild ?

Purlease :)
From: moogchild@...
Sent: ‎10/‎11/‎2013 20:40
To: PolySix@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PolySix] RE: Korg Polysix MIDI retrofit & sys-ex protocol

Thank you for your pics and the user manual, they have been very useful to me. I have one board of the 1986 Korg USA P6 Midi Retrofit, but with no instructions at all about how to install it. Do you have a copy of the installation procedure?. Best regards.



---In PolySix@yahoogroups.com, <spuzroy@...> wrote:

Hi I posted a scan of the MIDI retrofit manual in the Files section. I have a few questions for this group.
Is there anyone else out there who has this retrofit?
Do any of the other Polysix retrofits support the same sys-ex protocol (messages)?

I have been developing an editor using Cycling74 MAX. It also allows for iPad control via their Mira 'extension' (for the Polysix, or any other synth that one can build an editor for, or just about anything MIDI). I am curious how much interest there is for iPad control of the Polysix and/or an editor/librarian.
I have the bitmapping and sys-ex all worked out and can edit and update the P6 with single parameters, single patches or bulk dumps of 120 patches. I also have converted and mapped (sysex to CC) the Polysix's parameter values to control the Polysix plug-in, and well - the resultant sounds do not even come close between the real thing and the plug-in, with the exact same settings. Or after they are tweaked. (but I still like the soft P6...marketing aside)

I don't know if I will release any apps for public consumption, but maybe there's some interest? I currently only use MacOS as I don't use Windows, but MAX supports PC's too. thanks, -Brian

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