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How 6 track tapes work!

How 6 track tapes work!

2009-04-12 by tronbros@aol.com

How  6 track tapes  work! 
The  idea behind 6 track tapes is to provide 5 unique blends.   Here’s  how
…………………….. 
You  have the possibility of positioning your headblock in 5  positions: 
A  / A+B / B / B+C / C. 
When  you choose your 6 tracks, say Flute/Violins/Brass/String Section/Eight  
Choir/Church Organ, they will be allocated as follows: 
A  =                                 Flute / Violins 
A+B  =                             Violins / Brass 
B  =                                 Brass / SS 
B+C  =                            SS  / Eight 
C  =                                 Eight / Church Org. 
You  can create 5 unique blends depending on how wild you want to make your  
choices.   
By  necessity, these tapes will be tuned up to avoid hazardous clashings of 
pitch  which exists to some extent in all Mellotron  recordings. 


Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic
_www.mellotronics.com_ (http://www.mellotronics.com/) 

US  Sales East: Jimmy Moore_  JMoore6397@aol.com_ 
(http://JMoore6397@aol.com/) 
US Sales West: Paul Cox_  pjc56@earthlink_ (mailto:pjc56@earthlink)

Re: How 6 track tapes work!

2009-04-12 by ceccles_ca

Thanks for explaining this.  It's like I tell my know it all wife:
" You think you know everything, but you don't know shit ! "  

Sorry about that.  I'll shut up now.

Clay

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Birotron on ebay

2009-04-13 by Huff Talbot

Road trip to Italy anyone?

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Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 12:31 AM


Dig this:


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Re: [newmellotrongroup] Birotron on ebay

2009-04-13 by tronbros@aol.com

It's the one we restored about 7 years ago!
 
M
 
Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic
_www.mellotronics.com_ (http://www.mellotronics.com/) 

US  Sales East: Jimmy Moore_  JMoore6397@aol.com_ 
(http://JMoore6397@aol.com/) 
US Sales West: Paul Cox_  pjc56@earthlink_ (mailto:pjc56@earthlink)

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Birotron on ebay

2009-04-13 by NormLeete@aol.com

In a message dated 13/04/2009 10:27:30 GMT Standard Time, tronbros@aol.com  
writes:

It's the  one we restored about 7 years ago!


I remember it. The noisiest thing I've ever seen, not electrically but  
mechanically as all those 8 track cartridges whirred there little hearts out.  
That was the new ones!
 
Norm

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Birotron on ebay

2009-04-13 by Mike Dickson

Played it, hated it.

The keyboard is heavier than a direct action pipe organ, thanks to the 
keys being sprung with something that could have been used to catapult 
boulders over a castle wall 600 years ago. Worse than that is the noise 
from the mechanics of the machine. Dear god...all those little 8 track 
cartridges clattering away constantly. I never thought much of the 
fidelity either, although that may have had something to do with the 
state of the recordings.

Even worse though is that it all works on tape loops, thereby losing 
that characteristic attack that actually signals what a sound is.Without 
it (say) a solo cello and a solo voice sound amazingly similar, although 
with the reproduction problems the Birotron had it's amazing it sounded 
like anything at all. It's better than the Orchestron (which seems to 
have a library of sine waves, clicks and white noise) but not by much.


tronbros@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> It's the one we restored about 7 years ago!
>  
> M
>  
> *Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic
> www.mellotronics.com <http://www.mellotronics.com/>*
> US Sales East: Jimmy Moore JMoore6397@aol.com <http://JMoore6397@aol.com/>
> US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink <mailto:pjc56@earthlink>
>
> 

-- 
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

Free Music Project: http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson
Or http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/

Re: How 6 track tapes work!

2009-04-13 by lilainjil

Okay, thanks for the clarification.  

I'm going to have to think very hard about this.  The variety of tones is potentially very cool.  Though at the expense of any solo instrument.

Especially tricky as there is no way to audition any possible combinations before ordering.   You have to imagine it.

Back to my short list of sounds...

Andy

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, tronbros@... wrote:
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>
>  
> How  6 track tapes  work! 
> The  idea behind 6 track tapes is to provide 5 unique blends.   Here’s  how
> …………………….. 
> You  have the possibility of positioning your headblock in 5  positions: 
> A  / A+B / B / B+C / C. 
> When  you choose your 6 tracks, say Flute/Violins/Brass/String Section/Eight  
> Choir/Church Organ, they will be allocated as follows: 
> A  =                                 Flute / Violins 
> A+B  =                             Violins / Brass 
> B  =                                 Brass / SS 
> B+C  =                            SS  / Eight 
> C  =                                 Eight / Church Org. 
> You  can create 5 unique blends depending on how wild you want to make your  
> choices.   
> By  necessity, these tapes will be tuned up to avoid hazardous clashings of 
> pitch  which exists to some extent in all Mellotron  recordings. 
> 
> 
> Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic
> _www.mellotronics.com_ (http://www.mellotronics.com/) 
> 
> US  Sales East: Jimmy Moore_  JMoore6397@..._ 
> (http://JMoore6397@.../) 
> US Sales West: Paul Cox_  pjc56@earthlink_ (mailto:pjc56@earthlink)
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Birotron on ebay

2009-04-13 by will davis

Mike....I have played a pipe organ and I have played a Birotron and I can safely say that you obviously never actually played a Birotron.....why are you lying about it ? The key action was lightning fast; it was made by Pratt and Reade, the same company that made keyboards for Moog and many others. If you did indeed play one and maybe you are just prejudiced for some reason, Id be curious to know exactly when, where and who owned it ! dave
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Birotron on ebay

Played it, hated it.

The keyboard is heavier than a direct action pipe organ, thanks to the
keys being sprung with something that could have been used to catapult
boulders over a castle wall 600 years ago. Worse than that is the noise
from the mechanics of the machine. Dear god...all those little 8 track
cartridges clattering away constantly. I never thought much of the
fidelity either, although that may have had something to do with the
state of the recordings.

Even worse though is that it all works on tape loops, thereby losing
that characteristic attack that actually signals what a sound is.Without
it (say) a solo cello and a solo voice sound amazingly similar, although
with the reproduction problems the Birotron had it's amazing it sounded
like anything at all. It's better than the Orchestron (which seems to
have a library of sine waves, clicks and white noise) but not by much.

tronbros@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> It's the one we restored about 7 years ago!
>
> M
>
> *Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic
> www.mellotronics.com <http://www.mellotronics.com/>*
> US Sales East: Jimmy Moore JMoore6397@aol.com <http://JMoore6397@aol.com/>
>; US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink earthlink>
>
>

--
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

Free Music Project: http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson
Or http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Birotron on ebay

2009-04-13 by Mike Dickson

Dave -

You're quite right. It was all a figment of my imagination. Playing a 
Birotron was the highlight of my entire life and was an experience so 
intense I'd happily give up food and oxygen for a week just to re-live. 
Indeed, I'd happily crawl for 100 miles over broken glass just to wank 
over the shadow of a Birotron, dreaming of its lightning fast Pratt and 
Reade keyboard action. I will further add that all the clattering from 
the arse end of the Birotron doesn't happen and that in fact the 
mechanism is so silent it stilled the myriad chattering voices in my 
head that made me think I was playing the thing when it's obvious that I 
was not.

Thanks for clearing all this up.

Mike

will davis wrote:
>
>
> Mike....I have played a pipe organ and I have played a Birotron and I 
> can safely say that you obviously never actually played a 
> Birotron.....why are you lying about it ?   The key action was 
> lightning fast; it was made by Pratt and Reade, the same company that 
> made keyboards for Moog and many others.  If you did indeed play one 
> and maybe you are just prejudiced for some reason, Id be curious to 
> know exactly when, where and who owned it !  dave
>  
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Mike Dickson <mailto:mike.dickson@gmail.com>
>     *To:* newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
>     *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2009 5:42 AM
>     *Subject:* Re: [newmellotrongroup] Birotron on ebay
>
>     Played it, hated it.
>
>     The keyboard is heavier than a direct action pipe organ, thanks to
>     the
>     keys being sprung with something that could have been used to
>     catapult
>     boulders over a castle wall 600 years ago. Worse than that is the
>     noise
>     from the mechanics of the machine. Dear god...all those little 8
>     track
>     cartridges clattering away constantly. I never thought much of the
>     fidelity either, although that may have had something to do with the
>     state of the recordings.
>
>     Even worse though is that it all works on tape loops, thereby losing
>     that characteristic attack that actually signals what a sound
>     is.Without
>     it (say) a solo cello and a solo voice sound amazingly similar,
>     although
>     with the reproduction problems the Birotron had it's amazing it
>     sounded
>     like anything at all. It's better than the Orchestron (which seems to
>     have a library of sine waves, clicks and white noise) but not by much.
>
>     tronbros@aol.com <mailto:tronbros%40aol.com> wrote:
>     >
>     >
>     > It's the one we restored about 7 years ago!
>     >
>     > M
>     >
>     > *Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic
>     > www.mellotronics.com <http://www.mellotronics.com/
>     <http://www.mellotronics.com/>>*
>     > US Sales East: Jimmy Moore JMoore6397@aol.com
>     <mailto:JMoore6397%40aol.com> <http://JMoore6397@aol.com/
>     <http://JMoore6397@aol.com/>>
>     > US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink <mailto:pjc56@earthlink>
>     >
>     >
>
>     -- 
>     Mike Dickson, Edinburgh
>
>     Free Music Project: http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson
>     <http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson>
>     Or http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/ <http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/>
>
> 

-- 
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

Free Music Project: http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson
Or http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Birotron on ebay

2009-04-14 by lsf5275@aol.com

Mike, you're avoiding the questions. When and where did you play one, and  
who did it belong to. Your first email was pointed and filled with opinions. 
 Fair enough. But in his rebuttal, Dave asked fair questions. Your retort 
was  silly. Support the reasons for your opinion. I think that's reasonable. 
There  isn't one credible word in the statement below.
 
Frank
 
 
In a message dated 4/13/2009 8:47:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mike.dickson@gmail.com writes:

Dave  -

You're quite right. It was all a figment of my imagination. Playing a  
Birotron was the highlight of my entire life and was an experience so  
intense I'd happily give up food and oxygen for a week just to re-live.  
Indeed, I'd happily crawl for 100 miles over broken glass just to wank  
over the shadow of a Birotron, dreaming of its lightning fast Pratt and  
Reade keyboard action. I will further add that all the clattering from  
the arse end of the Birotron doesn't happen and that in fact the  
mechanism is so silent it stilled the myriad chattering voices in my  
head that made me think I was playing the thing when it's obvious that I  
was not.

Thanks for clearing all this  up.


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Re: [newmellotrongroup] Birotron on ebay

2009-04-14 by Rick Blechta

On Apr 13, 2009, at 9:30 PM, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:

> Mike, you're avoiding the questions. When and where did you play  
> one, and who did it belong to. Your first email was pointed and  
> filled with opinions. Fair enough. But in his rebuttal, Dave asked  
> fair questions. Your retort was silly. Support the reasons for your  
> opinion. I think that's reasonable. There isn't one credible word in  
> the statement below.
>
> Frank

No, Frank. Dave's response was rude. He called Mike a liar, did he  
not? I don't think you'd be too happy if someone you didn't know  
called you a liar. If Dave wanted questions answered, he should have  
asked them in a civilized manner. It's lucky that Mike is just so damn  
nice about these kinds of things.

Or not.

Rick

RE: [newmellotrongroup] Birotron on ebay

2009-04-14 by Pomeroy Ranch

Rick is right - It s really hard to respond in a manner any more civilized than Mike did when someone has thrown a left hook at your jaw..I, for one, do

RE: [newmellotrongroup] Birotron on ebay

2009-04-14 by Pomeroy Ranch

Rick is right - It s really hard to respond in a manner any more civilized than Mike did when someone has thrown a left hook at your jaw..I, for one, do

RE: [newmellotrongroup] Birotron on ebay

2009-04-14 by Pomeroy Ranch

Rick is right - It's really hard to respond in a manner any more civilized
than Mike did when someone has thrown a left hook at your jaw..I, for one,
do appreciate a good piece of acerbic ridicule. Thanks, Mike

 

On the topic of playing a Birotron: I played Dave Kean's when he was still
in North Hollywood - that was long time ago, but I do not remember the
keyboard being particularly smooth, responsive or special about it - it's
hard to concentrate with all that whirring and clacking going on, let alone
trying to hear the music coming out of the amp..I much preferred Dave's Mark
II... 

 

Vance

 

Mike, you're avoiding the questions. When and where did you play one, and
who did it belong to. Your first email was pointed and filled with opinions.
Fair enough. But in his rebuttal, Dave asked fair questions. Your retort was
silly. Support the reasons for your opinion. I think that's reasonable.
There isn't one credible word in the statement below.

 

Frank

 

No, Frank. Dave's response was rude. He called Mike a liar, did he not? I
don't think you'd be too happy if someone you didn't know called you a liar.
If Dave wanted questions answered, he should have asked them in a civilized
manner. It's lucky that Mike is just so damn nice about these kinds of
things.

 

Or not.

 

Rick
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From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Blechta
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 6:38 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Birotron on ebay

 






 

On Apr 13, 2009, at 9:30 PM, lsf5275@aol. <mailto:lsf5275@aol.com> com
wrote:





Mike, you're avoiding the questions. When and where did you play one, and
who did it belong to. Your first email was pointed and filled with opinions.
Fair enough. But in his rebuttal, Dave asked fair questions. Your retort was
silly. Support the reasons for your opinion. I think that's reasonable.
There isn't one credible word in the statement below.

 

Frank

 

No, Frank. Dave's response was rude. He called Mike a liar, did he not? I
don't think you'd be too happy if someone you didn't know called you a liar.
If Dave wanted questions answered, he should have asked them in a civilized
manner. It's lucky that Mike is just so damn nice about these kinds of
things.

 

Or not.

 

Rick

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Birotron on ebay

2009-04-14 by lsf5275@aol.com

I guess I missed that. But at the same time, even though I imagine that the 
 Birotron was a piece of shit, I would like a little substance. I'm not 
looking  for an argument or to create ill will.
 
Frank
 
 
In a message dated 4/13/2009 9:38:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
rick@rickblechta.com writes:

No, Frank. Dave's response was rude. He called Mike a liar, did he not? I  
don't think you'd be too happy if someone you didn't know called you a liar. 
 If Dave wanted questions answered, he should have asked them in a 
civilized  manner. It's lucky that Mike is just so damn nice about these kinds of  
things.


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RE: [newmellotrongroup] Birotron on ebay

2009-04-14 by Nic Lewis

I have just read the recent exchanges regarding Birotrons.

Some years ago I ventured onto this list because I was employed 
building the Birotrons in the mid seventies. I thought at the time I 
joined the list that the members may be interested in this slightly 
off topic diversion and indeed I was welcomed wholeheartedly by some 
members of the list, but berated quite rudely by others. My only 
crime: to have worked for Wakeman making these things and quoting the 
rationale behind the design *as seen at the time*. I was a little 
disappointed, but as this is a list that is primarily about another 
machine I understood why some would hold those attitudes. I make no 
judgement about this. It is what it is.

Now this debate has been re-ignited I feel I must make some comments 
based on actual experience and knowledge. I have no intention of 
commenting on the discussion as to the politeness or otherwise in the 
recent list exchanges, and I would not rush to make value judgements 
about things which have an amount of subjective value.

In response to specifics, I would also be very interested to know 
which Birotron Mike played, if I know this I may well be able to shed 
some light on it's history which may assist in understanding Mike's opinions.

I did not experience anyone at the time of construction criticising 
the action of the keyboard. I am not including those obvious 
supporters such as Wakeman (naturally) or any Birotronics staff, but 
a number of musicians passing through. Now this was a long time ago 
and these may not have been high calibre artists but nonetheless that 
is how it was. I have, however, seen criticism elsewhere more 
recently. I cannot lay my hands on it right now and cannot speak for 
it's veracity, which is why it would be interesting to explore Mike's 
experiences in more detail.

The noise of the tapes and the question of fidelity where largely an 
attribute of the way an engineer working for Wakeman decided to 
reduce the size of the instrument, the original having discrete 
players housed in the cabinet base. It was decided to put them 
vertically in the back of the machine with a common drive. It was 
some time before a new engineer checked the specification of 8 track 
cartridges and it was discovered that playing them vertically is not 
recommended. The inventor, Dave Biro, was not involved in this design 
change and should not be held responsible for the inadequacies 
pertaining. That being said, when properly set up and with the tape 
sets recorded specially for the machine, the fidelity would be good. 
Again, it would be interesting to know the details of the machine 
Mike played, and when - that may help in ascertaining as to whether 
it was in a good condition when played.

Frank has a disinterest in the machine and I'm sorry if my posting is 
boring for him or others who share that valid viewpoint. I would 
however question the comment regarding the failure of the Birotron. 
There where a number of reasons for its failure, and they where not 
limited to the quality of the machine, indeed this was not a major 
issue at the time. I will not tire the audience with the whole sad 
affair here but I can say that at the time there ware pledges and 
pre-orders for hundreds of machines. I, and the rest of the small 
team working on it, where quite surprised when work was halted 
and  it was many years before my interest re-emerged.

With regard to the number built, I can say with a high degree of 
confidence that with the exception of Dave Biro's own prototypes 
there where 15 built, two of which where further prototypes. Of the 
13 remaining the whereabouts of 5 is known. One is in my possession 
and being restored, a second is with a friend of mine who is also an 
ex-Birotrionics employee and is almost fully restored. A third is the 
one being sold on ebay. I know the history of these machines and the 
remaining 2. 1 further machine is  known to have been scrapped and 
parts used to restore the 2 mentioned previously, it unlikely that 
any others exist.

I hope this helps to put things into perspective. I have tried to be 
as objective as possible and should anyone wish to discuss further 
you may. of course, email me off list.


Regards,

Nic Lewis

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Birotron on ebay

2009-04-14 by Tom Doncourt

Now, THAT\u2019S interesting.. As for the action. I had a fender rhodes that had horrible action but I don\u2019t judge the keyboard as a whole by it.
My hats off to any one who can engineer a thing like the Birotron, to take a weird idea like that to it\u2019s completion. My respect to you.
As Indiana Jones would say \u201cit belongs in a Museum\u201d.




I have just read the recent exchanges regarding Birotrons.

Some years ago I ventured onto this list because I was employed
building the Birotrons in the mid seventies. I thought at the time I
joined the list that the members may be interested in this slightly
off topic diversion and indeed I was welcomed wholeheartedly by some
members of the list, but berated quite rudely by others. My only
crime: to have worked for Wakeman making these things and quoting the
rationale behind the design *as seen at the time*. I was a little
disappointed, but as this is a list that is primarily about another
machine I understood why some would hold those attitudes. I make no
judgement about this. It is what it is.

Now this debate has been re-ignited I feel I must make some comments
based on actual experience and knowledge. I have no intention of
commenting on the discussion as to the politeness or otherwise in the
recent list exchanges, and I would not rush to make value judgements
about things which have an amount of subjective value.

In response to specifics, I would also be very interested to know
which Birotron Mike played, if I know this I may well be able to shed
some light on it's history which may assist in understanding Mike's opinions.

I did not experience anyone at the time of construction criticising
the action of the keyboard. I am not including those obvious
supporters such as Wakeman (naturally) or any Birotronics staff, but
a number of musicians passing through. Now this was a long time ago
and these may not have been high calibre artists but nonetheless that
is how it was. I have, however, seen criticism elsewhere more
recently. I cannot lay my hands on it right now and cannot speak for
it's veracity, which is why it would be interesting to explore Mike's
experiences in more detail.

The noise of the tapes and the question of fidelity where largely an
attribute of the way an engineer working for Wakeman decided to
reduce the size of the instrument, the original having discrete
players housed in the cabinet base. It was decided to put them
vertically in the back of the machine with a common drive. It was
some time before a new engineer checked the specification of 8 track
cartridges and it was discovered that playing them vertically is not
recommended. The inventor, Dave Biro, was not involved in this design
change and should not be held responsible for the inadequacies
pertaining. That being said, when properly set up and with the tape
sets recorded specially for the machine, the fidelity would be good.
Again, it would be interesting to know the details of the machine
Mike played, and when - that may help in ascertaining as to whether
it was in a good condition when played.

Frank has a disinterest in the machine and I'm sorry if my posting is
boring for him or others who share that valid viewpoint. I would
however question the comment regarding the failure of the Birotron.
There where a number of reasons for its failure, and they where not
limited to the quality of the machine, indeed this was not a major
issue at the time. I will not tire the audience with the whole sad
affair here but I can say that at the time there ware pledges and
pre-orders for hundreds of machines. I, and the rest of the small
team working on it, where quite surprised when work was halted
and it was many years before my interest re-emerged.

With regard to the number built, I can say with a high degree of
confidence that with the exception of Dave Biro's own prototypes
there where 15 built, two of which where further prototypes. Of the
13 remaining the whereabouts of 5 is known. One is in my possession
and being restored, a second is with a friend of mine who is also an
ex-Birotrionics employee and is almost fully restored. A third is the
one being sold on ebay. I know the history of these machines and the
remaining 2. 1 further machine is known to have been scrapped and
parts used to restore the 2 mentioned previously, it unlikely that
any others exist.

I hope this helps to put things into perspective. I have tried to be
as objective as possible and should anyone wish to discuss further
you may. of course, email me off list.

Regards,

Nic Lewis






Re: [newmellotrongroup] Birotron on ebay

2009-04-14 by lsf5275@aol.com

Nic,
 
I think I have a photo of a pile of Birotrons that you sent me years back.  
I believe there were three in the photo. Two restorable and one parts 
machine. I  wondered whatever happened. Thanks for the post.
 
No hard feelings, I hope. By the way, Chris Dale has one of Dave's  
prototypes with the horizontal cassette arrangement you described. He is  currently 
restoring it. As for the rest of them, the production machines, though  
well engineered, were flawed. They went the way of the Optigan and the  
Orchestron.
 
Mellotrons survived because the concept worked and enough were produced and 
 used to mark their place in history, and like neckties, the have come back 
into  vogue. (although the do sound better than neckties)
 
Frank
 
 
In a message dated 4/14/2009 5:14:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
nic@thepub.org.uk writes:

I hope  this helps to put things into perspective. I have tried to be 
as objective  as possible and should anyone wish to discuss further 
you may. of course,  email me off list.

Regards,

Nic  Lewis


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Re: [newmellotrongroup] Birotron on ebay

2009-04-15 by jeffrey coulter

mr dickson, now you should use some sort of secretly coded insult to our list moderator or some other such thing to get yourself booted from the group - we can all relive the childish drama that killed the last list!

i kid of course.

you were specifically and deliberately called a liar without instigation, other than stating your opinion, one which many here know that, while snarky at times [in a good and humourous way IMHO], is at the very least well informed.


jeez.
i go away for a couple days and all hell breaks loose.

peace boys and girls.
please?

...jeff


--- On Mon, 4/13/09, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com> wrote:
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> From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Birotron on ebay
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 7:25 PM
> Dave -
> 
> You're quite right. It was all a figment of my
> imagination. Playing a 
> Birotron was the highlight of my entire life and was an
> experience so 
> intense I'd happily give up food and oxygen for a week
> just to re-live. 
> Indeed, I'd happily crawl for 100 miles over broken
> glass just to wank 
> over the shadow of a Birotron, dreaming of its lightning
> fast Pratt and 
> Reade keyboard action. I will further add that all the
> clattering from 
> the arse end of the Birotron doesn't happen and that in
> fact the 
> mechanism is so silent it stilled the myriad chattering
> voices in my 
> head that made me think I was playing the thing when
> it's obvious that I 
> was not.
> 
> Thanks for clearing all this up.
> 
> Mike
> 
> will davis wrote:
> >
> >
> > Mike....I have played a pipe organ and I have played a
> Birotron and I 
> > can safely say that you obviously never actually
> played a 
> > Birotron.....why are you lying about it ?   The key
> action was 
> > lightning fast; it was made by Pratt and Reade, the
> same company that 
> > made keyboards for Moog and many others.  If you did
> indeed play one 
> > and maybe you are just prejudiced for some reason, Id
> be curious to 
> > know exactly when, where and who owned it !  dave
> >  
> >
> >     ----- Original Message -----
> >     *From:* Mike Dickson
> <mailto:mike.dickson@gmail.com>
> >     *To:* newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> >     <mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> >     *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2009 5:42 AM
> >     *Subject:* Re: [newmellotrongroup] Birotron on
> ebay
> >
> >     Played it, hated it.
> >
> >     The keyboard is heavier than a direct action pipe
> organ, thanks to
> >     the
> >     keys being sprung with something that could have
> been used to
> >     catapult
> >     boulders over a castle wall 600 years ago. Worse
> than that is the
> >     noise
> >     from the mechanics of the machine. Dear god...all
> those little 8
> >     track
> >     cartridges clattering away constantly. I never
> thought much of the
> >     fidelity either, although that may have had
> something to do with the
> >     state of the recordings.
> >
> >     Even worse though is that it all works on tape
> loops, thereby losing
> >     that characteristic attack that actually signals
> what a sound
> >     is.Without
> >     it (say) a solo cello and a solo voice sound
> amazingly similar,
> >     although
> >     with the reproduction problems the Birotron had
> it's amazing it
> >     sounded
> >     like anything at all. It's better than the
> Orchestron (which seems to
> >     have a library of sine waves, clicks and white
> noise) but not by much.
> >
> >     tronbros@aol.com <mailto:tronbros%40aol.com>
> wrote:
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > It's the one we restored about 7 years
> ago!
> >     >
> >     > M
> >     >
> >     > *Streetly Electronics - All Things
> Mellotronic
> >     > www.mellotronics.com
> <http://www.mellotronics.com/
> >     <http://www.mellotronics.com/>>*
> >     > US Sales East: Jimmy Moore JMoore6397@aol.com
> >     <mailto:JMoore6397%40aol.com>
> <http://JMoore6397@aol.com/
> >     <http://JMoore6397@aol.com/>>
> >     > US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink
> <mailto:pjc56@earthlink>
> >     >
> >     >
> >
> >     -- 
> >     Mike Dickson, Edinburgh
> >
> >     Free Music Project:
> http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson
> >     <http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson>
> >     Or http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/
> <http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/>
> >
> > 
> 
> -- 
> Mike Dickson, Edinburgh
> 
> Free Music Project: http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson
> Or http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Birotron on ebay

2009-04-15 by James Bailey

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>  
> Mellotrons survived because the concept worked and enough were produced and 
>  used to mark their place in history, and like neckties, the have come back 
> into  vogue. (although the do sound better than neckties)

That depends on who's being strangled by it - uh, the necktie.

Jim Bailey

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