I have just read the recent exchanges regarding Birotrons. Some years ago I ventured onto this list because I was employed building the Birotrons in the mid seventies. I thought at the time I joined the list that the members may be interested in this slightly off topic diversion and indeed I was welcomed wholeheartedly by some members of the list, but berated quite rudely by others. My only crime: to have worked for Wakeman making these things and quoting the rationale behind the design *as seen at the time*. I was a little disappointed, but as this is a list that is primarily about another machine I understood why some would hold those attitudes. I make no judgement about this. It is what it is. Now this debate has been re-ignited I feel I must make some comments based on actual experience and knowledge. I have no intention of commenting on the discussion as to the politeness or otherwise in the recent list exchanges, and I would not rush to make value judgements about things which have an amount of subjective value. In response to specifics, I would also be very interested to know which Birotron Mike played, if I know this I may well be able to shed some light on it's history which may assist in understanding Mike's opinions. I did not experience anyone at the time of construction criticising the action of the keyboard. I am not including those obvious supporters such as Wakeman (naturally) or any Birotronics staff, but a number of musicians passing through. Now this was a long time ago and these may not have been high calibre artists but nonetheless that is how it was. I have, however, seen criticism elsewhere more recently. I cannot lay my hands on it right now and cannot speak for it's veracity, which is why it would be interesting to explore Mike's experiences in more detail. The noise of the tapes and the question of fidelity where largely an attribute of the way an engineer working for Wakeman decided to reduce the size of the instrument, the original having discrete players housed in the cabinet base. It was decided to put them vertically in the back of the machine with a common drive. It was some time before a new engineer checked the specification of 8 track cartridges and it was discovered that playing them vertically is not recommended. The inventor, Dave Biro, was not involved in this design change and should not be held responsible for the inadequacies pertaining. That being said, when properly set up and with the tape sets recorded specially for the machine, the fidelity would be good. Again, it would be interesting to know the details of the machine Mike played, and when - that may help in ascertaining as to whether it was in a good condition when played. Frank has a disinterest in the machine and I'm sorry if my posting is boring for him or others who share that valid viewpoint. I would however question the comment regarding the failure of the Birotron. There where a number of reasons for its failure, and they where not limited to the quality of the machine, indeed this was not a major issue at the time. I will not tire the audience with the whole sad affair here but I can say that at the time there ware pledges and pre-orders for hundreds of machines. I, and the rest of the small team working on it, where quite surprised when work was halted and it was many years before my interest re-emerged. With regard to the number built, I can say with a high degree of confidence that with the exception of Dave Biro's own prototypes there where 15 built, two of which where further prototypes. Of the 13 remaining the whereabouts of 5 is known. One is in my possession and being restored, a second is with a friend of mine who is also an ex-Birotrionics employee and is almost fully restored. A third is the one being sold on ebay. I know the history of these machines and the remaining 2. 1 further machine is known to have been scrapped and parts used to restore the 2 mentioned previously, it unlikely that any others exist. I hope this helps to put things into perspective. I have tried to be as objective as possible and should anyone wish to discuss further you may. of course, email me off list. Regards, Nic Lewis
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RE: [newmellotrongroup] Birotron on ebay
2009-04-14 by Nic Lewis
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