The Mellotron Group

 From: markpringnz <markpringnz@yahoo.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, 18 November 2012 3:28 PM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973
 

  
You have all probably seen this before but I hadn't

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FBcz3tBH74&feature=g-vrec

Mark

 From: Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> 
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973
  
 
   
 
Should have marked it off topic, can't see a tron although possibly heard one on "Watcher".
 

________________________________
 From: markpringnz <markpringnz@yahoo.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, 18 November 2012 3:28 PM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973
  
  
You have all probably seen this before but I hadn't  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FBcz3tBH74&feature=g-vrec  Mark

On 18 November 2012 17:18, Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com> wrote: 
 
>  
>Thanks, Mark-
>   It looks like a very good transfer, both sound and picture.  Nice and clear.  The tron appears to be the white-finished Mk2, but I may be wrong.  Looks like it is sticking out of a white box in "Watcher".

 From: gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973
  
 
   
 
So they doubled the organ with the 400 strings ?  
I guess they had to do something when they went from many to three sounds.
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 4:26 PM, <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote: 
 
>  
> 
>They began using the organ instead of the bass accordion .
>
>
>In a message dated 11/18/2012 2:34:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wonggster@gmail.com writes: 
>I think they were using an M 400 in the studio by the time of Selling  England....  I do wonder how they accounted for the difference in sound  between the Mk2 strings and the bass accordion for Watcher which was a big  part of their show for a long time. Did they have special tapes or did they  just roll with what was around. 
>>
>> 
>>Surely somebody 
knows.
>>    
-- 

Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE, 
ReRED Recording, Analog Sound Design
Audio Mastering, Recording & Restoration, Logistics 

Ginowong@gmail.com

From: gino  wong <wonggster@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com  
Sent: Sunday, November 18,  2012 3:55 PM
Subject: Re:  [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973

<WBR
 
 
 
So they doubled the organ with the 400 strings ?    
I guess they had to do something when they went from many to three  
sounds.I gue
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 4:26 PM, <_lsf5275@aol.com_ 
(mailto:lsf5275@aol.com) > wrote: wrot
   
 
 
 

They began using the organ instead of  the bass accordion .
 

 
In a message dated 11/18/2012 2:34:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
_wonggster@gmail.com_ (mailto:wonggster@gmail.com)  writes:

I think they were using an M 400 in the studio by the time of Selling  
England....  I do wonder how they accounted for the difference in  sound between 
the Mk2 strings and the bass accordion for Watcher which was  a big part of 
their show for a long time. Did they have special tapes or  did they just 
roll with what was around. 


Surely somebody  knows.











<WBR


--  


Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm,  BSEE,
ReRED Recording, Analog Sound Design
Audio Mastering,  Recording & Restoration, Logistics<WBR>


_Ginowong@gmail.com_ (mailto:Ginowong@gmail.com)

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:30 am
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973


  
    
                  

Hi all-
   In listening to the "Watcher" intro, one can hear the brass/violins mix, but the brass sounds a bit like the "Brass B" recording to me.  Later on, in "Dancing with the Moonlight Knight", the violins are alone.  A choir can also be heard by itself elswhere (I forget where) in the concert.  I have to assume the frame was loaded with Brass B, 3 Violins (probably M400 Violins) and 8 Choir.
 
   -Bruce D.
   


  
 
 
  
  From: gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com>
 To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 3:55 PM
 Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973
  
 
     
                  
So they doubled the organ with the 400 strings ?  
I guess they had to do something when they went from many to three sounds.
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 4:26 PM,  <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:
 
  
    
                  

They began using the organ instead of the bass accordion .

 

In a message dated 11/18/2012 2:34:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wonggster@gmail.com writes:
  
I think they were using an M 400 in the studio by the time of Selling   England....  I do wonder how they accounted for the difference in sound   between the Mk2 strings and the bass accordion for Watcher which was a big   part of their show for a long time. Did they have special tapes or did they   just roll with what was around.   


  
Surely somebody knows.


    
             

  




-- 


Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE,
ReRED Recording, Analog Sound Design
Audio Mastering, Recording & Restoration, Logistics


Ginowong@gmail.com

From: lsf5275@aol.com 
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 2:37 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973

  

I remember seeing Genesis at the Tower theater in Philadelphia back in 1973. no Mark II but an M400. Mike might think the whole thing is silly, but for a 21 year old I was pretty impressionable. I LOVED IT! The first live concert I ever saw was outdoors on the Mall in DC. I don't think I was yet 16. It was Alice Cooper opening for Arthur Brown. Spring or summer of 1968. I didn't turn 16 until that November.

Alice Cooper came out in a pink dress. The band was called "Alice Cooper" at the time. I don't think Vince Furnier had adopted the name for himself yet. I was about 50 feet from the stage and I remember the guitarist (I think) at some point in the show had a giant Styrofoam fist that he slid up and down Vince's body (in the pink dress) until he spit some kind of white creamy fluid all over the people in front of the stage.

I freaked out. It was great stuff.

Then, after Alice Cooper left the stage, the back line guys swapped out the gear and the stage went dark... for about ten minutes. Suddenly there was a rumble after a few seconds, a voice in the dark screamed out..." I AM THE GOD OF HELL FIRE... AND I BRING YOU... FIRE. There was an explosion of light and this guy comes down down on a wire (Deus Ex Machina- only at the beginning instead of the end) with one arm extended outwards and the other holding a mic and HIS HEAD WAS ON FIRE. Well, at least that what I thought at first, but it was actually a helmet of some kind. I remember little else of that show, but that much, I will never forget.

I saw lots of concerts after that but nothing that approached the wonder and surprise until 1973 at the Tower. I saw Gabriel era Genesis twice more after that also in Philadelphia and was fortunate enough to be 4th row center at the Civic Center for The Lamb show.

Looking back at now, at the age of 60  I still get a sense of what I felt back then. And over the years, having seen The Musical Box recreate these shows, as good at it as they are (were) Nothing can touch the memories of those shows when I was that age.

So make fun of it if you will, Mike... I pity you for having missed it. Real people playing real instruments.

In a message dated 11/19/2012 1:30:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, pocotron@yahoo.com writes:
    

  Hi all-
     In listening to the "Watcher" intro, one can hear the brass/violins mix, but the brass sounds a bit like the "Brass B" recording to me.  Later on, in "Dancing with the Moonlight Knight", the violins are alone.  A choir can also be heard by itself elswhere (I forget where) in the concert.  I have to assume the frame was loaded with Brass B, 3 Violins (probably M400 Violins) and 8 Choir.

     -Bruce D.
     

  From: gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com>
  To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 3:55 PM
  Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973

    
  So they doubled the organ with the 400 strings ?   
  I guess they had to do something when they went from many to three sounds. 
  On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 4:26 PM, <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote: 
      
    They began using the organ instead of the bass accordion .

    In a message dated 11/18/2012 2:34:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wonggster@gmail.com writes:
      I think they were using an M 400 in the studio by the time of Selling England....  I do wonder how they accounted for the difference in sound between the Mk2 strings and the bass accordion for Watcher which was a big part of their show for a long time. Did they have special tapes or did they just roll with what was around. 

      Surely somebody knows.


  -- 


  Gino Wong Birgelo
  BSComm, BSEE,
  ReRED Recording, Analog Sound Design
  Audio Mastering, Recording & Restoration, Logistics 

  Ginowong@gmail.com

From: gino wong <_wonggster@gmail.com_ (mailto:wonggster@gmail.com) >
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)  
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 3:55  PM
Subject: Re:  [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973


 
 
So they doubled the organ with the 400 strings ?    
I guess they had to do something when they went from many to three  sounds. 
 
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 4:26 PM, <_lsf5275@aol.com_ 
(mailto:lsf5275@aol.com) > wrote:  
 
 
 
 

They began using the organ instead  of the bass accordion .
 

 
In a message dated 11/18/2012 2:34:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
_wonggster@gmail.com_ (mailto:wonggster@gmail.com)  writes:

I think they were using an M 400 in the studio by the time of  Selling 
England....  I do wonder how they accounted for the  difference in sound between 
the Mk2 strings and the bass accordion for  Watcher which was a big part of 
their show for a long time. Did they  have special tapes or did they just 
roll with what was around. 


Surely somebody  knows.













--  


Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm,  BSEE,
ReRED Recording, Analog Sound Design
Audio  Mastering, Recording & Restoration, Logistics   


_Ginowong@gmail.com_ (mailto:Ginowong@gmail.com) 






























-- 
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

From: vietgrove@gmail.com
Date:  Mon, 19 Nov 2012 12:11:44 +0000
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis  Live 1973


 
I don't particularly mind the theatrics, although I do  find Gabriel's 
onstabe manner somewhat grating.  I don't know why,  exactly.

Again though, better this than the scuffed trainer of indie  landfill 
singer treading on the face of humanity FOREVER.


On 19 November 2012 09:12, tronbros <_tronbros@aol.com_ 
(mailto:tronbros@aol.com) > wrote:



I have to agree with Mike.  The only difference is I do enjoy a  lot of the 
compositions but the stage theatrics leave me cringing.....


M

_mellotronics.com_ (http://mellotronics.com/)  on my iPad

 

On 19 Nov 2012, at 09:07, Mike Dickson <_mike.dickson@gmail.com_ 
(mailto:mike.dickson@gmail.com) >  wrote:



My point is only that the whole spectacle looks  idiotic.  I'm pretty sure 
I would have thought the same thing at  age 20 as well.

From: _lsf5275@aol.com_ (mailto:lsf5275@aol.com)  
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 2:37 AM
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)   
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live  1973


 

    
 
I remember seeing Genesis at the Tower theater in Philadelphia back in  
1973. no Mark II but an M400. Mike might think the whole thing is silly, but  
for a 21 year old I was pretty impressionable. I LOVED IT! The first live  
concert I ever saw was outdoors on the Mall in DC. I don't think I was yet 16. 
 It was Alice Cooper opening for Arthur Brown. Spring or summer of 1968. I  
didn't turn 16 until that November.
 
Alice Cooper came out in a pink dress. The band was called "Alice Cooper"  
at the time. I don't think Vince Furnier had adopted the name for himself 
yet.  I was about 50 feet from the stage and I remember the guitarist (I 
think) at  some point in the show had a giant Styrofoam fist that he slid up and 
down  Vince's body (in the pink dress) until he spit some kind of white 
creamy fluid  all over the people in front of the stage.
 
I freaked out. It was great stuff.
 
Then, after Alice Cooper left the stage, the back line guys swapped out  
the gear and the stage went dark... for about ten minutes. Suddenly there was  
a rumble after a few seconds, a voice in the dark screamed out..." I AM THE 
 GOD OF HELL FIRE... AND I BRING YOU... FIRE. There was an explosion of 
light  and this guy comes down down on a wire (Deus Ex Machina- only at the 
beginning  instead of the end) with one arm extended outwards and the other 
holding a mic  and HIS HEAD WAS ON FIRE. Well, at least that what I thought at 
first, but it  was actually a helmet of some kind. I remember little else of 
that show, but  that much, I will never forget.
 
I saw lots of concerts after that but nothing that approached the wonder  
and surprise until 1973 at the Tower. I saw Gabriel era Genesis twice more  
after that also in Philadelphia and was fortunate enough to be 4th row center 
 at the Civic Center for The Lamb show.
 
Looking back at now, at the age of 60  I still get a sense of what  I felt 
back then. And over the years, having seen The Musical Box recreate  these 
shows, as good at it as they are (were) Nothing can touch the memories  of 
those shows when I was that age.
 
So make fun of it if you will, Mike... I pity you for having missed it.  
Real people playing real instruments.
 
 
In a message dated 11/19/2012 1:30:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
pocotron@yahoo.com writes:

 
 
Hi all-
   In listening to the "Watcher" intro, one can hear  the brass/violins 
mix, but the brass sounds a bit like the "Brass B"  recording to me.  Later on, 
in "Dancing with the Moonlight Knight", the  violins are alone.  A choir 
can also be heard by itself elswhere (I  forget where) in the concert.  I have 
to assume the frame was loaded  with Brass B, 3 Violins (probably M400 
Violins) and 8 Choir.
 
   -Bruce D.
   
 
 
 
 

From: gino wong  <wonggster@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com  
Sent: Sunday, November 18,  2012 3:55 PM
Subject: Re:  [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973

<WBR>
 
 
 
So they doubled the organ with the 400 strings ?    
I guess they had to do something when they went from many to three  
sounds.I guess
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 4:26 PM, <_lsf5275@aol.com_ 
(mailto:lsf5275@aol.com) > wrote: wrote:
   
 
 
 

They began using the organ instead of  the bass accordion .
 

 
In a message dated 11/18/2012 2:34:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
_wonggster@gmail.com_ (mailto:wonggster@gmail.com)  writes:

I think they were using an M 400 in the studio by the time of  Selling 
England....  I do wonder how they accounted for the  difference in sound between 
the Mk2 strings and the bass accordion for  Watcher which was a big part of 
their show for a long time. Did they  have special tapes or did they just 
roll with what was around. 
 
Surely somebody  knows.











<WBR>
 
--  


Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm,  BSEE,
ReRED Recording, Analog Sound Design
Audio  Mastering, Recording & Restoration, Logistics<WBR> 
 
_Ginowong@gmail.com_ (mailto:Ginowong@gmail.com)

From: gino wong <_wonggster@gmail.com_ (mailto:wonggster@gmail.com) >
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)  
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012  3:55 PM
Subject: Re:  [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973


 
 
So they doubled the organ with the 400 strings ?    
I guess they had to do something when they went from many to three  sounds. 
 
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 4:26 PM, <_lsf5275@aol.com_ 
(mailto:lsf5275@aol.com) > wrote:  
 
 
 
 

They began using the organ instead  of the bass accordion .
 

 
In a message dated 11/18/2012 2:34:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
_wonggster@gmail.com_ (mailto:wonggster@gmail.com)  writes:

I think they were using an M 400 in the studio by the time of  Selling 
England....  I do wonder how they accounted for the  difference in sound between 
the Mk2 strings and the bass accordion  for Watcher which was a big part of 
their show for a long time. Did  they have special tapes or did they just 
roll with what was around.  


Surely somebody  knows.













--  


Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm,  BSEE,
ReRED Recording, Analog Sound  Design
Audio  Mastering, Recording & Restoration,  Logistics  


_Ginowong@gmail.com_ (mailto:Ginowong@gmail.com) 






























-- 
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

From: lsf5275@aol.com 
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 11:18 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973

  

More likely the organ, Tony, They had long since ditched the Mark II by the time they were touring TLLDOB.

Frank (too much shit to list)

In a message dated 11/19/2012 9:49:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, atm655@verizon.net writes:
    

  I saw “The Lamb” one month before Gabriel left in December 74, Auditorium Theatre Chicago, a 12,000 seat Venue.
  Never having heard of them, I went with my friends on a whim and enjoyed them.
  Knew about the Mellotron having already become a Tangerine Dream fan, recognized an M400 along with a large, organ like keyboard in white, a Mark II, I later found out. At 19 they sure had my full attention, and I found the theatrics unusual but amusing just the same.

  Tony #510

  From: lsf5275@aol.com 
  Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 2:37 AM
  To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
  Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973

    

  I remember seeing Genesis at the Tower theater in Philadelphia back in 1973. no Mark II but an M400. Mike might think the whole thing is silly, but for a 21 year old I was pretty impressionable. I LOVED IT! The first live concert I ever saw was outdoors on the Mall in DC. I don't think I was yet 16. It was Alice Cooper opening for Arthur Brown. Spring or summer of 1968. I didn't turn 16 until that November.

  Alice Cooper came out in a pink dress. The band was called "Alice Cooper" at the time. I don't think Vince Furnier had adopted the name for himself yet. I was about 50 feet from the stage and I remember the guitarist (I think) at some point in the show had a giant Styrofoam fist that he slid up and down Vince's body (in the pink dress) until he spit some kind of white creamy fluid all over the people in front of the stage.

  I freaked out. It was great stuff.

  Then, after Alice Cooper left the stage, the back line guys swapped out the gear and the stage went dark... for about ten minutes. Suddenly there was a rumble after a few seconds, a voice in the dark screamed out..." I AM THE GOD OF HELL FIRE... AND I BRING YOU... FIRE. There was an explosion of light and this guy comes down down on a wire (Deus Ex Machina- only at the beginning instead of the end) with one arm extended outwards and the other holding a mic and HIS HEAD WAS ON FIRE. Well, at least that what I thought at first, but it was actually a helmet of some kind. I remember little else of that show, but that much, I will never forget.

  I saw lots of concerts after that but nothing that approached the wonder and surprise until 1973 at the Tower. I saw Gabriel era Genesis twice more after that also in Philadelphia and was fortunate enough to be 4th row center at the Civic Center for The Lamb show.

  Looking back at now, at the age of 60  I still get a sense of what I felt back then. And over the years, having seen The Musical Box recreate these shows, as good at it as they are (were) Nothing can touch the memories of those shows when I was that age.

  So make fun of it if you will, Mike... I pity you for having missed it. Real people playing real instruments.

  In a message dated 11/19/2012 1:30:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, pocotron@yahoo.com writes:
      

    Hi all-
       In listening to the "Watcher" intro, one can hear the brass/violins mix, but the brass sounds a bit like the "Brass B" recording to me.  Later on, in "Dancing with the Moonlight Knight", the violins are alone.  A choir can also be heard by itself elswhere (I forget where) in the concert.  I have to assume the frame was loaded with Brass B, 3 Violins (probably M400 Violins) and 8 Choir.

       -Bruce D.
       

    From: gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com>
    To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 3:55 PM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973

      
    So they doubled the organ with the 400 strings ?   
    I guess they had to do something when they went from many to three sounds. 
    On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 4:26 PM, <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote: 
        
      They began using the organ instead of the bass accordion .

      In a message dated 11/18/2012 2:34:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wonggster@gmail.com writes:
        I think they were using an M 400 in the studio by the time of Selling England....  I do wonder how they accounted for the difference in sound between the Mk2 strings and the bass accordion for Watcher which was a big part of their show for a long time. Did they have special tapes or did they just roll with what was around. 

        Surely somebody knows.


    -- 


    Gino Wong Birgelo
    BSComm, BSEE,
    ReRED Recording, Analog Sound Design
    Audio Mastering, Recording & Restoration, Logistics 

    Ginowong@gmail.com

From: _lsf5275@aol.com_ (mailto:lsf5275@aol.com)  
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 11:18 AM
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)   
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live  1973


 

    
 
More likely the organ, Tony, They had long since ditched the Mark II by  
the time they were touring TLLDOB.
 
Frank (too much shit to list)
 
 
In a message dated 11/19/2012 9:49:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
atm655@verizon.net writes:

 
 
 
I saw “The Lamb” one month before Gabriel left in  December 74, Auditorium 
Theatre Chicago, a 12,000 seat  Venue.
Never having heard of them, I went with my friends  on a whim and enjoyed 
them.
Knew about the Mellotron having already become a  Tangerine Dream fan, 
recognized an M400 along with a large, organ like  keyboard in white, a Mark II, 
I later found out. At 19 they sure had my full  attention, and I found the 
theatrics unusual but amusing just the  same.
 
Tony #510
 
 

 
From: _lsf5275@aol.com_ (mailto:lsf5275@aol.com)  
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 2:37 AM
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)   
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live  1973


 

    
 
I remember seeing Genesis at the Tower theater in Philadelphia back in  
1973. no Mark II but an M400. Mike might think the whole thing is silly, but  
for a 21 year old I was pretty impressionable. I LOVED IT! The first live  
concert I ever saw was outdoors on the Mall in DC. I don't think I was yet  
16. It was Alice Cooper opening for Arthur Brown. Spring or summer of 1968.  I 
didn't turn 16 until that November.
 
Alice Cooper came out in a pink dress. The band was called "Alice  Cooper" 
at the time. I don't think Vince Furnier had adopted the name for  himself 
yet. I was about 50 feet from the stage and I remember the guitarist  (I 
think) at some point in the show had a giant Styrofoam fist that he slid  up and 
down Vince's body (in the pink dress) until he spit some kind of  white 
creamy fluid all over the people in front of the stage.
 
I freaked out. It was great stuff.
 
Then, after Alice Cooper left the stage, the back line guys swapped out  
the gear and the stage went dark... for about ten minutes. Suddenly there  was 
a rumble after a few seconds, a voice in the dark screamed out..." I AM  
THE GOD OF HELL FIRE... AND I BRING YOU... FIRE. There was an explosion of  
light and this guy comes down down on a wire (Deus Ex Machina- only at the  
beginning instead of the end) with one arm extended outwards and the other  
holding a mic and HIS HEAD WAS ON FIRE. Well, at least that what I thought  at 
first, but it was actually a helmet of some kind. I remember little else  
of that show, but that much, I will never forget.
 
I saw lots of concerts after that but nothing that approached the  wonder 
and surprise until 1973 at the Tower. I saw Gabriel era Genesis twice  more 
after that also in Philadelphia and was fortunate enough to be 4th row  
center at the Civic Center for The Lamb show.
 
Looking back at now, at the age of 60  I still get a sense of  what I felt 
back then. And over the years, having seen The Musical Box  recreate these 
shows, as good at it as they are (were) Nothing can touch the  memories of 
those shows when I was that age.
 
So make fun of it if you will, Mike... I pity you for having missed it.  
Real people playing real instruments.
 
 
In a message dated 11/19/2012 1:30:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
pocotron@yahoo.com writes:

 
 
Hi all-
   In listening to the "Watcher" intro, one can hear  the brass/violins 
mix, but the brass sounds a bit like the "Brass B"  recording to me.  Later on, 
in "Dancing with the Moonlight Knight",  the violins are alone.  A choir 
can also be heard by itself elswhere  (I forget where) in the concert.  I have 
to assume the frame was  loaded with Brass B, 3 Violins (probably M400 
Violins) and 8  Choir.
 
   -Bruce D.
   
 
 
 
 

From: gino wong  <wonggster@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com  
Sent: Sunday, November  18, 2012 3:55 PM
Subject:  Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973

<WBR> 
 
 
 
So they doubled the organ with the 400 strings ?    
I guess they had to do something when they went from many to three  
sounds.I guess t
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 4:26 PM, <_lsf5275@aol.com_ 
(mailto:lsf5275@aol.com) >  wrote:  
 
 
 
 

They began using the organ instead  of the bass accordion .
 

 
In a message dated 11/18/2012 2:34:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
_wonggster@gmail.com_ (mailto:wonggster@gmail.com)   writes:

I think they were using an M 400 in the studio by the time of  Selling 
England....  I do wonder how they accounted for the  difference in sound between 
the Mk2 strings and the bass accordion for  Watcher which was a big part of 
their show for a long time. Did they  have special tapes or did they just 
roll with what was around. 
 
Surely somebody  knows.











<WBR><WB
 
--  


Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm,  BSEE,
ReRED Recording, Analog Sound Design
Audio  Mastering, Recording & Restoration, Logistics<WBR>  

_Ginowong@gmail.com_ (mailto:Ginowong@gmail.com)

From: gino wong <_wonggster@gmail.com_ (mailto:wonggster@gmail.com) >
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)  
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012  3:55 PM
Subject: Re:  [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973


 
 
So they doubled the organ with the 400 strings ?    
I guess they had to do something when they went from many to  three sounds. 
 
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 4:26 PM, <_lsf5275@aol.com_ 
(mailto:lsf5275@aol.com) >  wrote:  
 
 
 
 

They began using the organ  instead of the bass accordion .
 

 
In a message dated 11/18/2012 2:34:37 P.M. Eastern Standard  Time, 
_wonggster@gmail.com_ (mailto:wonggster@gmail.com)  writes:

I think they were using an M 400 in the studio by the time of  Selling 
England....  I do wonder how they accounted for the  difference in sound between 
the Mk2 strings and the bass accordion  for Watcher which was a big part of 
their show for a long time.  Did they have special tapes or did they just 
roll with what was  around. 


Surely somebody  knows.













--  


Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm,  BSEE,
ReRED  Recording, Analog  Sound Design
Audio  Mastering, Recording & Restoration,  Logistics  


_Ginowong@gmail.com_ (mailto:Ginowong@gmail.com) 
































-- 
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh
















-- 


Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm,  BSEE,
ReRED Recording, Analog Sound Design
Audio Mastering,  Recording & Restoration, Logistics


_Ginowong@gmail.com_ (mailto:Ginowong@gmail.com)

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Dickson
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:07 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973



I've seen quite a few 'real people playing real instruments', Frank.  I don't have time for much else, really, even if I am having a hard time deciding what constitutes a 'real instrument'.

My point is only that the whole spectacle looks idiotic.  I'm pretty sure I would have thought the same thing at age 20 as well.

Mike

On 19 November 2012 07:37, <lsf5275@aol.com<mailto:lsf5275@aol.com>> wrote:

I remember seeing Genesis at the Tower theater in Philadelphia back in 1973. no Mark II but an M400. Mike might think the whole thing is silly, but for a 21 year old I was pretty impressionable. I LOVED IT! The first live concert I ever saw was outdoors on the Mall in DC. I don't think I was yet 16. It was Alice Cooper opening for Arthur Brown. Spring or summer of 1968. I didn't turn 16 until that November.

Alice Cooper came out in a pink dress. The band was called "Alice Cooper" at the time. I don't think Vince Furnier had adopted the name for himself yet. I was about 50 feet from the stage and I remember the guitarist (I think) at some point in the show had a giant Styrofoam fist that he slid up and down Vince's body (in the pink dress) until he spit some kind of white creamy fluid all over the people in front of the stage.

I freaked out. It was great stuff.

Then, after Alice Cooper left the stage, the back line guys swapped out the gear and the stage went dark... for about ten minutes. Suddenly there was a rumble after a few seconds, a voice in the dark screamed out..." I AM THE GOD OF HELL FIRE... AND I BRING YOU... FIRE. There was an explosion of light and this guy comes down down on a wire (Deus Ex Machina- only at the beginning instead of the end) with one arm extended outwards and the other holding a mic and HIS HEAD WAS ON FIRE. Well, at least that what I thought at first, but it was actually a helmet of some kind. I remember little else of that show, but that much, I will never forget.

I saw lots of concerts after that but nothing that approached the wonder and surprise until 1973 at the Tower. I saw Gabriel era Genesis twice more after that also in Philadelphia and was fortunate enough to be 4th row center at the Civic Center for The Lamb show.

Looking back at now, at the age of 60 [http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/smi/2b00000243/03]  I still get a sense of what I felt back then. And over the years, having seen The Musical Box recreate these shows, as good at it as they are (were) Nothing can touch the memories of those shows when I was that age.

So make fun of it if you will, Mike... I pity you for having missed it. Real people playing real instruments.

In a message dated 11/19/2012 1:30:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, pocotron@yahoo.com<mailto:pocotron@yahoo.com> writes:

Hi all-
   In listening to the "Watcher" intro, one can hear the brass/violins mix, but the brass sounds a bit like the "Brass B" recording to me.  Later on, in "Dancing with the Moonlight Knight", the violins are alone.  A choir can also be heard by itself elswhere (I forget where) in the concert.  I have to assume the frame was loaded with Brass B, 3 Violins (probably M400 Violins) and 8 Choir.

   -Bruce D.


From: gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com<mailto:wonggster@gmail.com>>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973

So they doubled the organ with the 400 strings ?
I guess they had to do something when they went from many to three sounds.
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 4:26 PM, <lsf5275@aol.com<mailto:lsf5275@aol.com>> wrote:

They began using the organ instead of the bass accordion .

In a message dated 11/18/2012 2:34:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wonggster@gmail.com<mailto:wonggster@gmail.com> writes:
I think they were using an M 400 in the studio by the time of Selling England....  I do wonder how they accounted for the difference in sound between the Mk2 strings and the bass accordion for Watcher which was a big part of their show for a long time. Did they have special tapes or did they just roll with what was around.

Surely somebody knows.

--

Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE,
ReRED Recording, Analog Sound Design
Audio Mastering, Recording & Restoration, Logistics

Ginowong@gmail.com<mailto:Ginowong@gmail.com>





--
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com  
[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike  Dickson
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:07 AM
To:  newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup]  Genesis Live 1973

 
 
 
I've seen quite a few 'real people playing real instruments', Frank.  I 
don't have time for much else, really, even if I am having a hard time  
deciding what constitutes a 'real instrument'.   
 

 
My point is only that the whole spectacle looks  idiotic.  I'm pretty sure 
I would have thought the same thing at age  20 as well.
 

 
Mike
 
 
On 19 November 2012 07:37, <_lsf5275@aol.com_ (mailto:lsf5275@aol.com) > 
wrote: 
 
 
 
 
 
I remember seeing Genesis at the  Tower theater in Philadelphia back in 
1973. no Mark II but an M400. Mike might  think the whole thing is silly, but 
for a 21 year old I was pretty  impressionable. I LOVED IT! The first live 
concert I ever saw was outdoors on  the Mall in DC. I don't think I was yet 
16. It was Alice Cooper opening for  Arthur Brown. Spring or summer of 1968. I 
didn't turn 16 until that  November.
 

 
Alice Cooper came out in a pink  dress. The band was called "Alice Cooper" 
at the time. I don't think Vince  Furnier had adopted the name for himself 
yet. I was about 50 feet from the  stage and I remember the guitarist (I 
think) at some point in the show had a  giant Styrofoam fist that he slid up and 
down Vince's body (in the pink dress)  until he spit some kind of white 
creamy fluid all over the people in front of  the stage.
 

 
I freaked out. It was great  stuff.
 

 
Then, after Alice Cooper left  the stage, the back line guys swapped out 
the gear and the stage went dark...  for about ten minutes. Suddenly there was 
a rumble after a few seconds, a  voice in the dark screamed out..." I AM 
THE GOD OF HELL FIRE... AND I BRING  YOU... FIRE. There was an explosion of 
light and this guy comes down down  on a wire (Deus Ex Machina- only at the 
beginning instead of the end) with one  arm extended outwards and the other 
holding a mic and HIS HEAD WAS  ON FIRE. Well, at least that what I thought at 
first, but it was actually a  helmet of some kind. I remember little else 
of that show, but that much, I  will never forget.
 

 
I saw lots of concerts after  that but nothing that approached the wonder 
and surprise until 1973 at the  Tower. I saw Gabriel era Genesis twice more 
after that also in Philadelphia  and was fortunate enough to be 4th row 
center at the Civic Center for The Lamb  show.
 

 
Looking back at now, at the age  of 60  I still get a sense of  what I felt 
back then. And over the years, having seen The Musical Box  recreate these 
shows, as good at it as they are (were) Nothing can touch the  memories of 
those shows when I was that age.
 

 
So make fun of it if you will,  Mike... I pity you for having missed it. 
Real people playing real  instruments.
 
 
 

 
 
In a message dated 11/19/2012  1:30:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
_pocotron@yahoo.com_ (mailto:pocotron@yahoo.com)   writes:

 
 
 
Hi  all-
 
In listening to  the "Watcher" intro, one can hear the brass/violins mix, 
but the brass  sounds a bit like the "Brass B" recording to me.  Later on, in 
"Dancing  with the Moonlight Knight", the violins are alone.  A choir  can 
also be heard by itself elswhere (I forget where) in the  concert.  I have 
to assume the frame was loaded  with Brass B, 3 Violins (probably M400 
Violins) and  8 Choir.
 

 
-Bruce  D.
 

 

 
 
 
From: gino wong <_wonggster@gmail.com_ (mailto:wonggster@gmail.com) >
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)  
Sent: Sunday,  November 18, 2012 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis  Live 1973
 
 
 
 
So they doubled the organ with  the 400 strings ?    
 
I guess they had to do  something when they went from many to three sounds. 
 
 
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 4:26  PM, <_lsf5275@aol.com_ 
(mailto:lsf5275@aol.com) > wrote:  
 
 
 
 
 
They began using the organ  instead of the bass accordion .
 
 

 
 
In a message dated 11/18/2012  2:34:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
_wonggster@gmail.com_ (mailto:wonggster@gmail.com)   writes:

 
I think they were  using an M 400 in the studio by the time of Selling 
England....  I do  wonder how they accounted for the difference in sound between 
the Mk2  strings and the bass accordion for Watcher which was a big part of 
their  show for a long time. Did they have special tapes or did they just 
roll  with what was around. 
 

 
Surely somebody  knows.








 

--  
 

 
Gino Wong  Birgelo
 
BSComm,  BSEE,
 
ReRED  Recording, Analog Sound Design
 
Audio  Mastering, Recording & Restoration, Logistics  
 

 
_Ginowong@gmail.com_ (mailto:Ginowong@gmail.com) 
 

 
























-- 
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

From: Gary Brumm 
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:20 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973

  

No not in 1973, I was talking about the Gabriel shows in the last decade.  In the 70’s it was all about the music as it 

should be.  Now many performers feel the need to give political speeches and that is not what I paid for.  I really 

don’t care what their “world view” is.  It’s just a sign of the times I guess….. The 60’ and 70’ were a great time for 

shows.  Even though the technology for sound and lighting has been improved immensely I still miss the days of 

oversized, under powered speakers at a huge outdoor venue with my favorite groups performing.  Those days are 

gone forever unfortunately.  I remember a friend of mine telling me he had just seen Genesis at the Cow Palace in 

San Francisco.  They were using a few Altec A7’s for the PA and the sound was awful but he said the band was incredible.  

Those were the days eh?


From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 10:05 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973


  

I don't recall too much politics in 1973... just a bit of goofing on the British economy.


In a message dated 11/19/2012 12:43:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, gabru@comsec.net writes:

    

  I worked with a Gabriel era Genesis tribute act for several years.  They did the full show down to the theatrics.  

  The audience loved it but it never did anything for me.  The music on the other hand was incredible IMHO and 

  I really enjoyed doing those shows.  The first time I saw Genesis live was on the “Seconds Out” tour which to 

  me was their peak even though Gabriel was already gone.  I have seen them once in the last ten years and they 

  performed well but it was kind of commercialized and starchy IMHO.  I have seen Gabriel live and enjoy his music 

  but hate his political ramblings between songs ( thing we talked about that before).  When I listen to Genesis it 

  it usually the live Seconds Out recording I choose.  I prefer to listen to live recordings of most groups when I can.  

  Gary

  From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Dickson
  Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:07 AM
  To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973

    

  I've seen quite a few 'real people playing real instruments', Frank.  I don't have time for much else, really, even if I am having a hard time deciding what constitutes a 'real instrument'.  

  My point is only that the whole spectacle looks idiotic.  I'm pretty sure I would have thought the same thing at age 20 as well.

  Mike

  On 19 November 2012 07:37, <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:

    

  I remember seeing Genesis at the Tower theater in Philadelphia back in 1973. no Mark II but an M400. Mike might think the whole thing is silly, but for a 21 year old I was pretty impressionable. I LOVED IT! The first live concert I ever saw was outdoors on the Mall in DC. I don't think I was yet 16. It was Alice Cooper opening for Arthur Brown. Spring or summer of 1968. I didn't turn 16 until that November.

  Alice Cooper came out in a pink dress. The band was called "Alice Cooper" at the time. I don't think Vince Furnier had adopted the name for himself yet. I was about 50 feet from the stage and I remember the guitarist (I think) at some point in the show had a giant Styrofoam fist that he slid up and down Vince's body (in the pink dress) until he spit some kind of white creamy fluid all over the people in front of the stage.

  I freaked out. It was great stuff.

  Then, after Alice Cooper left the stage, the back line guys swapped out the gear and the stage went dark... for about ten minutes. Suddenly there was a rumble after a few seconds, a voice in the dark screamed out..." I AM THE GOD OF HELL FIRE... AND I BRING YOU... FIRE. There was an explosion of light and this guy comes down down on a wire (Deus Ex Machina- only at the beginning instead of the end) with one arm extended outwards and the other holding a mic and HIS HEAD WAS ON FIRE. Well, at least that what I thought at first, but it was actually a helmet of some kind. I remember little else of that show, but that much, I will never forget.

  I saw lots of concerts after that but nothing that approached the wonder and surprise until 1973 at the Tower. I saw Gabriel era Genesis twice more after that also in Philadelphia and was fortunate enough to be 4th row center at the Civic Center for The Lamb show.

  Looking back at now, at the age of 60  I still get a sense of what I felt back then. And over the years, having seen The Musical Box recreate these shows, as good at it as they are (were) Nothing can touch the memories of those shows when I was that age.

  So make fun of it if you will, Mike... I pity you for having missed it. Real people playing real instruments.

  In a message dated 11/19/2012 1:30:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, pocotron@yahoo.com writes:

      

    Hi all-

       In listening to the "Watcher" intro, one can hear the brass/violins mix, but the brass sounds a bit like the "Brass B" recording to me.  Later on, in "Dancing with the Moonlight Knight", the violins are alone.  A choir can also be heard by itself elswhere (I forget where) in the concert.  I have to assume the frame was loaded with Brass B, 3 Violins (probably M400 Violins) and 8 Choir.

       -Bruce D.

       

    From: gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com>
    To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 3:55 PM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973

      

    So they doubled the organ with the 400 strings ?   

    I guess they had to do something when they went from many to three sounds. 

    On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 4:26 PM, <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote: 

      

    They began using the organ instead of the bass accordion .

    In a message dated 11/18/2012 2:34:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wonggster@gmail.com writes:

      I think they were using an M 400 in the studio by the time of Selling England....  I do wonder how they accounted for the difference in sound between the Mk2 strings and the bass accordion for Watcher which was a big part of their show for a long time. Did they have special tapes or did they just roll with what was around. 

      Surely somebody knows.

    -- 

    Gino Wong Birgelo

    BSComm, BSEE,

    ReRED Recording, Analog Sound Design

    Audio Mastering, Recording & Restoration, Logistics 

    Ginowong@gmail.com





  -- 
  Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

From: _Gary Brumm_ (mailto:gabru@comsec.net)  
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:20 PM
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)   
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live  1973


 

    
 
 
No not in  1973, I was talking about the Gabriel shows in the last decade.  
In the  70’s it was all about the music as it  
should  be.  Now many performers feel the need to give political speeches 
and  that is not what I paid for.  I really  
don’t care  what their “world view” is.  It’s just a sign of the times I 
guess….. The  60’ and 70’ were a great time for  
shows.   Even though the technology for sound and lighting has been 
improved immensely  I still miss the days of  
oversized,  under powered speakers at a huge outdoor venue with my favorite 
groups  performing.  Those days are  
gone forever  unfortunately.  I remember a friend of mine telling me he had 
just seen  Genesis at the Cow Palace in  
San  Francisco.  They were using a few Altec A7’s for the PA and the sound 
was  awful but he said the band was incredible.   
Those were  the days eh? 
 
 
 
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com  
[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of  lsf5275@aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 10:05  AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:  [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973

 
 
 
 
I don't recall  too much politics in 1973... just a bit of goofing on the 
British  economy.
 

 
 
In a message  dated 11/19/2012 12:43:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
_gabru@comsec.net_ (mailto:gabru@comsec.net)   writes:

 
 
I worked  with a Gabriel era Genesis tribute act for several years.  They 
did the  full show down to the theatrics.   
The  audience loved it but it never did anything for me.  The music on the  
other hand was incredible IMHO and  
I really  enjoyed doing those shows.  The first time I saw Genesis live was 
on  the “Seconds Out” tour which to  
me was  their peak even though Gabriel was already gone.  I have seen them 
once  in the last ten years and they  
performed  well but it was kind of commercialized and starchy IMHO.  I have 
seen  Gabriel live and enjoy his music  
but hate  his political ramblings between songs ( thing we talked about 
that  before).  When I listen to Genesis it  
it usually  the live Seconds Out recording I choose.  I prefer to listen to 
live  recordings of most groups when I can.   
Gary 
 
 
 
From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)   [_mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ]  On Behalf Of Mike Dickson
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012  1:07 AM
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
Subject:  Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973

 
 
 
I've seen quite a few 'real  people playing real instruments', Frank.  I 
don't have time for much  else, really, even if I am having a hard time 
deciding what constitutes a  'real instrument'.   
 
My point is only that the  whole spectacle looks idiotic.  I'm pretty sure 
I would have  thought the same thing at age 20 as well.
 
Mike
 
 
On 19 November 2012 07:37,  <_lsf5275@aol.com_ (mailto:lsf5275@aol.com) > 
wrote: 
 
 
 
 
 
I remember seeing Genesis at  the Tower theater in Philadelphia back in 
1973. no Mark II but an M400. Mike  might think the whole thing is silly, but 
for a 21 year old I was pretty  impressionable. I LOVED IT! The first live 
concert I ever saw was outdoors  on the Mall in DC. I don't think I was yet 
16. It was Alice Cooper opening  for Arthur Brown. Spring or summer of 1968. I 
didn't turn 16 until that  November.
 
Alice Cooper came out in a  pink dress. The band was called "Alice Cooper" 
at the time. I don't think  Vince Furnier had adopted the name for himself 
yet. I was about 50 feet from  the stage and I remember the guitarist (I 
think) at some point in the show  had a giant Styrofoam fist that he slid up and 
down Vince's body (in the  pink dress) until he spit some kind of white 
creamy fluid all over the  people in front of the stage.
 
I freaked out. It was great  stuff.
 
Then, after Alice Cooper left  the stage, the back line guys swapped out 
the gear and the stage went  dark... for about ten minutes. Suddenly there was 
a rumble after a few  seconds, a voice in the dark screamed out..." I AM 
THE GOD OF HELL FIRE...  AND I BRING YOU... FIRE. There was an explosion of 
light and this guy comes  down down on a wire (Deus Ex Machina- only at the 
beginning instead of the  end) with one arm extended outwards and the other 
holding a mic and HIS HEAD  WAS ON FIRE. Well, at least that what I thought at 
first, but it was  actually a helmet of some kind. I remember little else 
of that show, but  that much, I will never forget.
 
I saw lots of concerts after  that but nothing that approached the wonder 
and surprise until 1973 at the  Tower. I saw Gabriel era Genesis twice more 
after that also in Philadelphia  and was fortunate enough to be 4th row 
center at the Civic Center for The  Lamb show.
 
Looking back at now, at the  age of 60  I still get a sense of  what I felt 
back then. And over the years, having seen The Musical Box  recreate these 
shows, as good at it as they are (were) Nothing can touch the  memories of 
those shows when I was that age.
 
So make fun of it if you will,  Mike... I pity you for having missed it. 
Real people playing real  instruments.
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 11/19/2012  1:30:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
_pocotron@yahoo.com_ (mailto:pocotron@yahoo.com)   writes:

 
 
 
Hi  all-
 
In listening to  the "Watcher" intro, one can hear the brass/violins mix, 
but the brass  sounds a bit like the "Brass B" recording to me.  Later on, in 
 "Dancing with the Moonlight Knight", the violins are alone.  A choir  can 
also be heard by itself elswhere (I forget where) in the  concert.  I have 
to assume the frame was loaded with Brass B, 3  Violins (probably M400 
Violins) and 8 Choir.
 
-Bruce  D.
 

 
 
 
From: gino wong <_wonggster@gmail.com_ (mailto:wonggster@gmail.com) >
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)  
Sent:  Sunday, November 18, 2012 3:55 PM
Subject: Re:  [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973
 
 
 
 
So they doubled the organ  with the 400 strings ?    
 
I guess they had to do  something when they went from many to three sounds. 
 
 
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 4:26  PM, <_lsf5275@aol.com_ 
(mailto:lsf5275@aol.com) > wrote:  
 
 
 
 
 
They began using the organ  instead of the bass accordion .
 
 
 
In a message dated  11/18/2012 2:34:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
_wonggster@gmail.com_ (mailto:wonggster@gmail.com)  writes:

 
I think they were  using an M 400 in the studio by the time of Selling 
England....  I  do wonder how they accounted for the difference in sound between 
the Mk2  strings and the bass accordion for Watcher which was a big part of 
their  show for a long time. Did they have special tapes or did they just 
roll  with what was around. 
 
Surely somebody  knows.








--  
 
Gino Wong  Birgelo
 
BSComm, BSEE,
 
ReRED Recording,  Analog Sound  Design
 
Audio  Mastering, Recording & Restoration, Logistics  
 
_Ginowong@gmail.com_ (mailto:Ginowong@gmail.com) 





















-- 
Mike Dickson,  Edinburgh

 From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 4:07 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973
 

  
I've seen quite a few 'real people playing real instruments', Frank.  



Mike

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com  
[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of  lsf5275@aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 10:34  AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re:  [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973

 
 
 
 
my head  hurts.
 

 

 
 
In a message  dated 11/19/2012 1:32:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
_atm655@verizon.net_ (mailto:atm655@verizon.net)   writes:

 
 
 
 
I  agree Gary, that isn’t part of the show I’m interested  in.
 
They  have right to express it, as I have the right to ignore it, and I try 
to do  just that.
 
Tony
 
 
 

 
 
From: _Gary Brumm_ (mailto:gabru@comsec.net)  
 
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:20  PM
 
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)   
 
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live  1973


 


 
 
 
No not in  1973, I was talking about the Gabriel shows in the last decade.  
In the  70’s it was all about the music as it  
should  be.  Now many performers feel the need to give political speeches 
and  that is not what I paid for.  I really  
don’t care  what their “world view” is.  It’s just a sign of the times I 
guess…..  The 60’ and 70’ were a great time for  
shows.  Even though the  technology for sound and lighting has been 
improved immensely I still miss  the days of  
oversized,  under powered speakers at a huge outdoor venue with my favorite 
groups  performing.  Those days are  
gone  forever unfortunately.  I remember a friend of mine telling me he had 
 just seen Genesis at the Cow Palace in  
San  Francisco.  They were using a few Altec A7’s for the PA and the sound  
was awful but he said the band was incredible.   
Those were  the days eh? 
 
 
 
From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)   [_mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:
newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ]  On Behalf Of _lsf5275@aol.com_ 
(mailto:lsf5275@aol.com) 
Sent: Monday,  November 19, 2012 10:05 AM
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
Subject:  Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973

 
 
 
 
I don't  recall too much politics in 1973... just a bit of goofing on the 
British  economy.
 
 
In a message  dated 11/19/2012 12:43:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
_gabru@comsec.net_ (mailto:gabru@comsec.net)  writes:

 
 
I worked  with a Gabriel era Genesis tribute act for several years.  They 
did  the full show down to the theatrics.   
The  audience loved it but it never did anything for me.  The music on the  
other hand was incredible IMHO and  
I really  enjoyed doing those shows.  The first time I saw Genesis live was 
on  the “Seconds Out” tour which to  
me was  their peak even though Gabriel was already gone.  I have seen them  
once in the last ten years and they  
performed  well but it was kind of commercialized and starchy IMHO.  I have 
seen  Gabriel live and enjoy his music  
but hate  his political ramblings between songs ( thing we talked about 
that  before).  When I listen to Genesis it  
it  usually the live Seconds Out recording I choose.  I prefer to listen  
to live recordings of most groups when I can.   
Gary 
 
 
 
From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)   [_mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ]  On Behalf Of Mike Dickson
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012  1:07 AM
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
Subject:  Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973

 
 
 
I've seen quite a few 'real  people playing real instruments', Frank.  I 
don't have time for much  else, really, even if I am having a hard time 
deciding what constitutes a  'real instrument'.   
 
My point is only that the  whole spectacle looks idiotic.  I'm pretty sure 
I would have  thought the same thing at age 20 as well.
 
Mike
 
 
On 19 November 2012 07:37,  <_lsf5275@aol.com_ (mailto:lsf5275@aol.com) > 
wrote: 
 
 
 
 
 
I remember seeing Genesis at  the Tower theater in Philadelphia back in 
1973. no Mark II but an M400.  Mike might think the whole thing is silly, but 
for a 21 year old I was  pretty impressionable. I LOVED IT! The first live 
concert I ever saw was  outdoors on the Mall in DC. I don't think I was yet 
16. It was Alice  Cooper opening for Arthur Brown. Spring or summer of 1968. I 
didn't turn  16 until that November.
 
Alice Cooper came out in a  pink dress. The band was called "Alice Cooper" 
at the time. I don't think  Vince Furnier had adopted the name for himself 
yet. I was about 50 feet  from the stage and I remember the guitarist (I 
think) at some point in the  show had a giant Styrofoam fist that he slid up and 
down Vince's body (in  the pink dress) until he spit some kind of white 
creamy fluid all over the  people in front of the stage.
 
I freaked out. It was great  stuff.
 
Then, after Alice Cooper  left the stage, the back line guys swapped out 
the gear and the stage went  dark... for about ten minutes. Suddenly there was 
a rumble after a few  seconds, a voice in the dark screamed out..." I AM 
THE GOD OF HELL FIRE...  AND I BRING YOU... FIRE. There was an explosion of 
light and this guy  comes down down on a wire (Deus Ex Machina- only at the 
beginning instead  of the end) with one arm extended outwards and the other 
holding a mic and  HIS HEAD WAS ON FIRE. Well, at least that what I thought at 
first, but it  was actually a helmet of some kind. I remember little else 
of that show,  but that much, I will never forget.
 
I saw lots of concerts after  that but nothing that approached the wonder 
and surprise until 1973 at the  Tower. I saw Gabriel era Genesis twice more 
after that also in  Philadelphia and was fortunate enough to be 4th row 
center at the Civic  Center for The Lamb show.
 
Looking back at now, at the  age of 60 I still get a sense of  what I felt 
back then. And over the years, having seen The Musical Box  recreate these 
shows, as good at it as they are (were) Nothing can touch  the memories of 
those shows when I was that age.
 
So make fun of it if you  will, Mike... I pity you for having missed it. 
Real people playing real  instruments.
 
 
 
 
In a message dated  11/19/2012 1:30:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
_pocotron@yahoo.com_ (mailto:pocotron@yahoo.com)  writes:

 
 
 
Hi  all-
 
In listening  to the "Watcher" intro, one can hear the brass/violins mix, 
but the  brass sounds a bit like the "Brass B" recording to me.  Later on,  
in "Dancing with the Moonlight Knight", the violins are alone.  A  choir can 
also be heard by itself elswhere (I forget where) in the  concert.  I have 
to assume the frame was loaded with Brass B, 3  Violins (probably M400 
Violins) and 8 Choir.
 
-Bruce  D.
 

 
 
 
From: gino wong <_wonggster@gmail.com_ (mailto:wonggster@gmail.com) >
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)  
Sent:  Sunday, November 18, 2012 3:55 PM
Subject: Re:  [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973
 
 
 
 
So they doubled the organ  with the 400 strings ?    
 
I guess they had to do  something when they went from many to three sounds. 
 
 
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at  4:26 PM, <_lsf5275@aol.com_ 
(mailto:lsf5275@aol.com) >  wrote:  
 
 
 
 
 
They began using the organ  instead of the bass accordion .
 
 
 
In a message dated  11/18/2012 2:34:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
_wonggster@gmail.com_ (mailto:wonggster@gmail.com)  writes:

 
I think they were  using an M 400 in the studio by the time of Selling 
England....   I do wonder how they accounted for the difference in sound between 
the  Mk2 strings and the bass accordion for Watcher which was a big part of 
 their show for a long time. Did they have special tapes or did they  just 
roll with what was around. 
 
Surely somebody  knows.








--  
 
Gino Wong  Birgelo
 
BSComm, BSEE,
 
ReRED Recording,  Analog Sound  Design
 
Audio Mastering, Recording &  Restoration, Logistics   
 
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-- 
Mike Dickson,  Edinburgh

>
> On 19 November 2012 16:15, <lsf5275@...> wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > **
> > Oddly, I have no doubt that you would have as well. I'm sure at the time,
> > other people would have shared your view. I know my dad did. At the time, I
> > didn't think it was idiotic. I thought the musicianship was incredible and
> > the performance by Gabriel was different and exciting. I had seen plenty of
> > Grateful Dead and CSN, James Taylor, Muddy Waters Michael Bloomfield, BB
> > King, Credence... etc.
> >
> > In 1973, the only other band that electrified me like that was Bruce
> > Springsteen, whom I had met and gotten to know a bit. The E-Street Band was
> > still forming and David Sancious was their pianist and Ernest Carter was
> > the drummer.
> >
> > Completely different musical experience than Genesis, but electrifying
> > none the less.
> >
> > As I recall, you don't like them either.
> >
> 
> 
> You're right.  I don't.  I'm not sure what point you're making here.
>

>
> Is it snobbery to say you like one thing and dislike another?  I'm not sure
> I've done anything other than say that.  Or is it just that I on't share
> your point of view?
> 
> This is all starting to reek of the Don Tillman view of* 'if you don't like
> XXX then you're not one of us' *that I thought this list was created to
> escape from.
> 
> Mike
> 
> On 20 November 2012 10:03, <lsf5275@...> wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > **
> > That's an odd phrase coming from you.
> >
> >  In a message dated 11/20/2012 3:19:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > mike.dickson@... writes:
> >
> > This all smacks of musical snobbery to me.
> >
> >  
> >
>

>
> Is it snobbery to say you like one thing and dislike another? I'm not sure
> I've done anything other than say that. Or is it just that I on't share
> your point of view?
> 
> This is all starting to reek of the Don Tillman view of* 'if you don't like
> XXX then you're not one of us' *that I thought this list was created to
> escape from.
> 
> Mike
> 
> On 20 November 2012 10:03, <lsf5275@...> wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > **
> > That's an odd phrase coming from you.
> >
> > In a message dated 11/20/2012 3:19:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > mike.dickson@... writes:
> >
> > This all smacks of musical snobbery to me.
> >
> > 
> >
>

>  XXX then you're not one of us' *that I thought this list was created  to
> escape from.
> 
> Mike
> 
> On 20  November 2012 10:03, <lsf5275@...> wrote:
> 
> >  **
> >
> >
> > **
> > That's an odd  phrase coming from you.
> >
> > In a message dated  11/20/2012 3:19:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> >  mike.dickson@... writes:
> >
> > This all smacks of  musical snobbery to me.
> >
> > 
>  >
>

>  XXX then you're not one of us' *that I thought this list was created  to
> escape from.
> 
> Mike
> 
> On 20  November 2012 10:03, <lsf5275@...> wrote:
> 
> >  **
> >
> >
> > **
> > That's an odd  phrase coming from you.
> >
> > In a message dated  11/20/2012 3:19:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> >  mike.dickson@... writes:
> >
> > This all smacks of  musical snobbery to me.
> >
> > 
>  >
>

> XXX then you're not one of us' *that I thought this  list was created to
> escape from.
> 
>  Mike
> 
> On 20 November 2012 10:03, <lsf5275@...>  wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
>  > **
> > That's an odd phrase coming from you.
>  >
> > In a message dated 11/20/2012 3:19:48 A.M. Eastern  Standard Time,
> > mike.dickson@... writes:
>  >
> > This all smacks of musical snobbery to me.
>  >
> > 
>  >
>

>
> Thanks very much Fritz!!
> http://cargocollective.com/phosphorescentrecords
> 
> 
> On Nov 20, 2012, at 10:05 AM, <fdoddy@...<mailto:fdoddy@...>>
>  <fdoddy@...<mailto:fdoddy@...>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Y'all should check out Tom's website.  He's the real deal...no bullshit :>)
> 
> Remind us what it is Tom, please?
> 
> fritz
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Doncourt <tomdcour@...<mailto:tomdcour@...>>
> To: <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>> <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>>
> Sent: Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:56 am
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: 'real people playing real instruments'
> 
> 
> Including my own of course.....
> 
> On Nov 20, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Tom Doncourt wrote:
> 
> 
> Nah, other peoples pompous bullshit doean't phase me :)
> 
> 
> On Nov 20, 2012, at 8:30 AM, tron400 wrote:
> 
> 
> Are we going to have to start yet another Mellotron group now? I'm in three of them as it is.
> 
> Bernie
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@> wrote:
> >
> > Is it snobbery to say you like one thing and dislike another? I'm not sure
> > I've done anything other than say that. Or is it just that I on't share
> > your point of view?
> >
> > This is all starting to reek of the Don Tillman view of* 'if you don't like
> > XXX then you're not one of us' *that I thought this list was created to
> > escape from.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > On 20 November 2012 10:03, <lsf5275@> wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > **
> > > That's an odd phrase coming from you.
> > >
> > > In a message dated 11/20/2012 3:19:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > mike.dickson@ writes:
> > >
> > > This all smacks of musical snobbery to me.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

>
> Try this ...lots `of idiotic nearly naked dancing and chamberlin :-)
> 
> http://youtu.be/aAGkcAadsgY
> 
> 
> On Nov 20, 2012, at 10:05 AM, <fdoddy@...<mailto:fdoddy@...>>
>  <fdoddy@...<mailto:fdoddy@...>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Y'all should check out Tom's website.  He's the real deal...no bullshit :>)
> 
> Remind us what it is Tom, please?
> 
> fritz
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Doncourt <tomdcour@...<mailto:tomdcour@...>>
> To: <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>> <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>>
> Sent: Tue, Nov 20, 2012 9:56 am
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: 'real people playing real instruments'
> 
> 
> Including my own of course.....
> 
> On Nov 20, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Tom Doncourt wrote:
> 
> 
> Nah, other peoples pompous bullshit doean't phase me :)
> 
> 
> On Nov 20, 2012, at 8:30 AM, tron400 wrote:
> 
> 
> Are we going to have to start yet another Mellotron group now? I'm in three of them as it is.
> 
> Bernie
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@> wrote:
> >
> > Is it snobbery to say you like one thing and dislike another? I'm not sure
> > I've done anything other than say that. Or is it just that I on't share
> > your point of view?
> >
> > This is all starting to reek of the Don Tillman view of* 'if you don't like
> > XXX then you're not one of us' *that I thought this list was created to
> > escape from.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > On 20 November 2012 10:03, <lsf5275@> wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > **
> > > That's an odd phrase coming from you.
> > >
> > > In a message dated 11/20/2012 3:19:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > mike.dickson@ writes:
> > >
> > > This all smacks of musical snobbery to me.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

On 19 November 2012 18:46, Robert <rmrmax@yahoo.com> wrote:

 
>  
>Mike,
>
>
>Would you care to share with us some of the names of the musicians / groups you are referring to ?  Any style of music is fine with me.
>
>
>Robert
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
>To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 4:07 AM
>Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973
> 
>
>  
>I've seen quite a few 'real people playing real instruments', Frank.  
>
>
>
>
>
>Mike
>
>

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com  
[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of  Tony
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 10:32 AM
To:  newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup]  Genesis Live 1973

 
 
 
 
 
 
I agree  Gary, that isn’t part of the show I’m interested in.
 
They  have right to express it, as I have the right to ignore it, and I try 
to do  just that.
 
Tony
 
 
 

 
 
From: _Gary Brumm_ (mailto:gabru@comsec.net)  
 
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:20  PM
 
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)   
 
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live  1973


 


 
 
 
No not in  1973, I was talking about the Gabriel shows in the last decade.  
In the  70’s it was all about the music as it  
should  be.  Now many performers feel the need to give political speeches 
and  that is not what I paid for.  I really  
don’t care  what their “world view” is.  It’s just a sign of the times I 
guess….. The  60’ and 70’ were a great time for  
shows.   Even though the technology for sound and lighting has been 
improved immensely  I still miss the days of  
oversized,  under powered speakers at a huge outdoor venue with my favorite 
groups  performing.  Those days are  
gone forever  unfortunately.  I remember a friend of mine telling me he had 
just seen  Genesis at the Cow Palace in  
San  Francisco.  They were using a few Altec A7’s for the PA and the sound 
was  awful but he said the band was incredible.   
Those were  the days eh? 
 
 
 
From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)   [_mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ]  On Behalf Of _lsf5275@aol.com_ 
(mailto:lsf5275@aol.com) 
Sent: Monday,  November 19, 2012 10:05 AM
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
Subject:  Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973

 
 
 
 
I don't recall  too much politics in 1973... just a bit of goofing on the 
British  economy.
 
 
In a message  dated 11/19/2012 12:43:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
_gabru@comsec.net_ (mailto:gabru@comsec.net)  writes:

 
 
I worked  with a Gabriel era Genesis tribute act for several years.  They 
did the  full show down to the theatrics.   
The  audience loved it but it never did anything for me.  The music on the  
other hand was incredible IMHO and  
I really  enjoyed doing those shows.  The first time I saw Genesis live was 
on  the “Seconds Out” tour which to  
me was  their peak even though Gabriel was already gone.  I have seen them 
once  in the last ten years and they  
performed  well but it was kind of commercialized and starchy IMHO.  I have 
seen  Gabriel live and enjoy his music  
but hate  his political ramblings between songs ( thing we talked about 
that  before).  When I listen to Genesis it  
it usually  the live Seconds Out recording I choose.  I prefer to listen to 
live  recordings of most groups when I can.   
Gary 
 
 
 
From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)   [_mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ]  On Behalf Of Mike Dickson
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012  1:07 AM
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) 
Subject:  Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973

 
 
 
I've seen quite a few 'real  people playing real instruments', Frank.  I 
don't have time for much  else, really, even if I am having a hard time 
deciding what constitutes a  'real instrument'.   
 
My point is only that the  whole spectacle looks idiotic.  I'm pretty sure 
I would have  thought the same thing at age 20 as well.
 
Mike
 
 
On 19 November 2012 07:37,  <_lsf5275@aol.com_ (mailto:lsf5275@aol.com) > 
wrote: 
 
 
 
 
 
I remember seeing Genesis at  the Tower theater in Philadelphia back in 
1973. no Mark II but an M400. Mike  might think the whole thing is silly, but 
for a 21 year old I was pretty  impressionable. I LOVED IT! The first live 
concert I ever saw was outdoors  on the Mall in DC. I don't think I was yet 
16. It was Alice Cooper opening  for Arthur Brown. Spring or summer of 1968. I 
didn't turn 16 until that  November.
 
Alice Cooper came out in a  pink dress. The band was called "Alice Cooper" 
at the time. I don't think  Vince Furnier had adopted the name for himself 
yet. I was about 50 feet from  the stage and I remember the guitarist (I 
think) at some point in the show  had a giant Styrofoam fist that he slid up and 
down Vince's body (in the  pink dress) until he spit some kind of white 
creamy fluid all over the  people in front of the stage.
 
I freaked out. It was great  stuff.
 
Then, after Alice Cooper left  the stage, the back line guys swapped out 
the gear and the stage went  dark... for about ten minutes. Suddenly there was 
a rumble after a few  seconds, a voice in the dark screamed out..." I AM 
THE GOD OF HELL FIRE...  AND I BRING YOU... FIRE. There was an explosion of 
light and this guy comes  down down on a wire (Deus Ex Machina- only at the 
beginning instead of the  end) with one arm extended outwards and the other 
holding a mic and HIS HEAD  WAS ON FIRE. Well, at least that what I thought at 
first, but it was  actually a helmet of some kind. I remember little else 
of that show, but  that much, I will never forget.
 
I saw lots of concerts after  that but nothing that approached the wonder 
and surprise until 1973 at the  Tower. I saw Gabriel era Genesis twice more 
after that also in Philadelphia  and was fortunate enough to be 4th row 
center at the Civic Center for The  Lamb show.
 
Looking back at now, at the  age of 60 I still get a sense of what  I felt 
back then. And over the years, having seen The Musical Box recreate  these 
shows, as good at it as they are (were) Nothing can touch the memories  of 
those shows when I was that age.
 
So make fun of it if you will,  Mike... I pity you for having missed it. 
Real people playing real  instruments.
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 11/19/2012  1:30:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
_pocotron@yahoo.com_ (mailto:pocotron@yahoo.com)   writes:

 
 
 
Hi  all-
 
In listening to  the "Watcher" intro, one can hear the brass/violins mix, 
but the brass  sounds a bit like the "Brass B" recording to me.  Later on, in 
 "Dancing with the Moonlight Knight", the violins are alone.  A choir  can 
also be heard by itself elswhere (I forget where) in the  concert.  I have 
to assume the frame was loaded with Brass B, 3  Violins (probably M400 
Violins) and 8 Choir.
 
-Bruce  D.
 

 
 
 
From: gino wong <_wonggster@gmail.com_ (mailto:wonggster@gmail.com) >
To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)  
Sent:  Sunday, November 18, 2012 3:55 PM
Subject: Re:  [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973
 
 
 
 
So they doubled the organ  with the 400 strings ?    
 
I guess they had to do  something when they went from many to three sounds. 
 
 
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 4:26  PM, <_lsf5275@aol.com_ 
(mailto:lsf5275@aol.com) > wrote:  
 
 
 
 
 
They began using the organ  instead of the bass accordion .
 
 
 
In a message dated  11/18/2012 2:34:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
_wonggster@gmail.com_ (mailto:wonggster@gmail.com)  writes:

 
I think they were  using an M 400 in the studio by the time of Selling 
England....  I  do wonder how they accounted for the difference in sound between 
the Mk2  strings and the bass accordion for Watcher which was a big part of 
their  show for a long time. Did they have special tapes or did they just 
roll  with what was around. 
 
Surely somebody  knows.








--  
 
Gino Wong  Birgelo
 
BSComm, BSEE,
 
ReRED Recording,  Analog Sound  Design
 
Audio  Mastering, Recording & Restoration, Logistics  
 
_Ginowong@gmail.com_ (mailto:Ginowong@gmail.com) 





















-- 
Mike Dickson,  Edinburgh

>
> Is it snobbery to say you like one thing and dislike another?  I'm not sure
> I've done anything other than say that.  Or is it just that I on't share
> your point of view?
> 
> This is all starting to reek of the Don Tillman view of* 'if you don't like
> XXX then you're not one of us' *that I thought this list was created to
> escape from.
> 
> Mike
> 
> On 20 November 2012 10:03, <lsf5275@...> wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > **
> > That's an odd phrase coming from you.
> >
> >  In a message dated 11/20/2012 3:19:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > mike.dickson@... writes:
> >
> > This all smacks of musical snobbery to me.
> >
> > 
> >
>

 From: Andy Kinch <kinchmusic@aol.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:53 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973
  
 
   
 
Spooky.....

This combination is just what I've ordered from Martin and John, and is sitting here waiting to be loaded onto the tapeframe.

AK

 
 
Andy Kinch
kinchmusic@aol.com
 
 
 
-----Original Message----- From: Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com> To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:30 am Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973  
  
 
Hi all- 
   In listening to the "Watcher" intro, one can hear the brass/violins mix, but the brass sounds a bit like the "Brass B" recording to me.  Later on, in "Dancing with the Moonlight Knight", the violins are alone.  A choir can also be heard by itself elswhere (I forget where) in the concert.  I have to assume the frame was loaded with Brass B, 3 Violins (probably M400 Violins) and 8 Choir. 
  
   -Bruce D. 
    
 

________________________________
 From: gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973
  
  
So they doubled the organ with the 400 strings ?   
I guess they had to do something when they went from many to three sounds. 
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 4:26 PM, <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote: 
 
>  
>  
>They began using the organ instead of the bass accordion . 
>
>
>In a message dated 11/18/2012 2:34:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wonggster@gmail.com writes: 
>I think they were using an M 400 in the studio by the time of Selling  England....  I do wonder how they accounted for the difference in sound  between the Mk2 strings and the bass accordion for Watcher which was a big  part of their show for a long time. Did they have special tapes or did they  just roll with what was around.  
>>
>> 
>>Surely somebody 
knows.
>>         

-- 
 
Gino Wong Birgelo 
BSComm, BSEE, 
ReRED Recording, Analog Sound Design  
Audio Mastering, Recording & Restoration, Logistics 
 
Ginowong@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 5:28
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973


  
    
                  

Watch out for those cosmic alignments, Andy.  We could all see a wormhole open to 1973!
 
  -Bruce D.


  
 
 
  
  From: Andy Kinch <kinchmusic@aol.com>
 To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:53 AM
 Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973
  
 
     
                  
Spooky.....

This combination is just what I've ordered from Martin and John, and is sitting here waiting to be loaded onto the tapeframe.

AK

 

 

Andy Kinch
kinchmusic@aol.com

 

 

-----Original Message-----From: Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com>To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:30 amSubject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973
 
  
    
                  

Hi all-
   In listening to the "Watcher" intro, one can hear the brass/violins mix, but the brass sounds a bit like the "Brass B" recording to me.  Later on, in "Dancing with the Moonlight Knight", the violins are alone.  A choir can also be heard by itself elswhere (I forget where) in the concert.  I have to assume the frame was loaded with Brass B, 3 Violins (probably M400 Violins) and 8 Choir.
 
   -Bruce D.
   


  
 
 
  
  From: gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com>
 To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 3:55 PM
 Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973
  
 
     
                  
So they doubled the organ with the 400 strings ?  
I guess they had to do something when they went from many to three sounds. 
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 4:26 PM,  <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote: 
 
  
    
                  

They began using the organ instead of the bass accordion .

 

In a message dated 11/18/2012 2:34:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wonggster@gmail.com writes:
  
I think they were using an M 400 in the studio by the time of Selling   England....  I do wonder how they accounted for the difference in sound   between the Mk2 strings and the bass accordion for Watcher which was a big   part of their show for a long time. Did they have special tapes or did they   just roll with what was around.   


  
Surely somebody knows.


    
             

  

 


-- 


Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE,
ReRED Recording, Analog Sound Design
Audio Mastering, Recording & Restoration, Logistics 


Ginowong@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 5:28
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973


  
    
                  

Watch out for those cosmic alignments, Andy.  We could all see a wormhole open to 1973!
 
  -Bruce D.


  
 
 
  
  From: Andy Kinch <kinchmusic@aol.com>
 To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:53 AM
 Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973
  
 
     
                  
Spooky.....

This combination is just what I've ordered from Martin and John, and is sitting here waiting to be loaded onto the tapeframe.

AK

 

 

Andy Kinch
kinchmusic@aol.com

 

 

-----Original Message-----From: Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com>To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:30 amSubject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973
 
  
    
                  

Hi all-
   In listening to the "Watcher" intro, one can hear the brass/violins mix, but the brass sounds a bit like the "Brass B" recording to me.  Later on, in "Dancing with the Moonlight Knight", the violins are alone.  A choir can also be heard by itself elswhere (I forget where) in the concert.  I have to assume the frame was loaded with Brass B, 3 Violins (probably M400 Violins) and 8 Choir.
 
   -Bruce D.
   


  
 
 
  
  From: gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com>
 To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 3:55 PM
 Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973
  
 
     
                  
So they doubled the organ with the 400 strings ?  
I guess they had to do something when they went from many to three sounds. 
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 4:26 PM,  <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote: 
 
  
    
                  

They began using the organ instead of the bass accordion .

 

In a message dated 11/18/2012 2:34:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wonggster@gmail.com writes:
  
I think they were using an M 400 in the studio by the time of Selling   England....  I do wonder how they accounted for the difference in sound   between the Mk2 strings and the bass accordion for Watcher which was a big   part of their show for a long time. Did they have special tapes or did they   just roll with what was around.   


  
Surely somebody knows.


    
             

  

 


-- 


Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE,
ReRED Recording, Analog Sound Design
Audio Mastering, Recording & Restoration, Logistics 


Ginowong@gmail.com

On 11/20/12 11:40 AM, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> Tom, Your web site is cool. I've always enjoyed Stained Glass Stories. 
> Your commitment to music and art in general is admirable. I want to 
> come to work with you at the museum. I think I could be happy there 
> forever.
> Frank
> In a message dated 11/20/2012 10:59:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> tomdcour@amnh.org writes:
>
>     Thanks very much Fritz!!
>
>     http://cargocollective.com/phosphorescentrecords
>
>
>     On Nov 20, 2012, at 10:05 AM, <fdoddy@aol.com <mailto:fdoddy@aol.com>>
>     <fdoddy@aol.com <mailto:fdoddy@aol.com>> wrote:
>
>>     Y'all should check out Tom's website.  He's the real deal...no
>>     bullshit :>)
>>
>>     Remind us what it is Tom, please?
>>
>>     fritz
>>
>>

>
> Hey Bernie-
> Â Â  I know of 2 of the groups (Yahoo), what is the third?
> Â 
> Â  -Bruce D.
> Â 
>  
> 
> ________________________________
>  From: tron400 <tron400@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 6:30 AM
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: 'real people playing real instruments'
>   
>  
> Â   
>  
> Are we going to have to start yet another Mellotron group now? I'm in three of them as it is.
> 
> Bernie
> 
> --- In mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@> wrote:
> >
> > Is it snobbery to say you like one thing and dislike another?  I'm not sure
> > I've done anything other than say that.  Or is it just that I on't share
> > your point of view?
> > 
> > This is all starting to reek of the Don Tillman view of* 'if you don't like
> > XXX then you're not one of us' *that I thought this list was created to
> > escape from.
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > On 20 November 2012 10:03, <lsf5275@> wrote:
> > 
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > **
> > > That's an odd phrase coming from you.
> > >
> > >  In a message dated 11/20/2012 3:19:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > mike.dickson@ writes:
> > >
> > > This all smacks of musical snobbery to me.
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> >
>

>
> Argh, I'd forgotton how much Mixed Brass B was out of tune. That bloody middle C is off the scale!....Really! 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Andy Kinch
> kinchmusic@...
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruce Daily <pocotron@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 5:28
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973
> 
> 
>   
>     
>                   
> 
> Watch out for those cosmic alignments, Andy.  We could all see a wormhole open to 1973!
>  
>   -Bruce D.
> 
> 
>   
>  
>  
>   
>   From: Andy Kinch <kinchmusic@...>
>  To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
>  Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:53 AM
>  Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973
>   
>  
>      
>                   
> Spooky.....
> 
> This combination is just what I've ordered from Martin and John, and is sitting here waiting to be loaded onto the tapeframe.
> 
> AK
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Andy Kinch
> kinchmusic@...
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----From: Bruce Daily <pocotron@...>To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Mon, Nov 19, 2012 6:30 amSubject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973
>  
>   
>     
>                   
> 
> Hi all-
>    In listening to the "Watcher" intro, one can hear the brass/violins mix, but the brass sounds a bit like the "Brass B" recording to me.  Later on, in "Dancing with the Moonlight Knight", the violins are alone.  A choir can also be heard by itself elswhere (I forget where) in the concert.  I have to assume the frame was loaded with Brass B, 3 Violins (probably M400 Violins) and 8 Choir.
>  
>    -Bruce D.
>    
> 
> 
>   
>  
>  
>   
>   From: gino wong <wonggster@...>
>  To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
>  Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 3:55 PM
>  Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Genesis Live 1973
>   
>  
>      
>                   
> So they doubled the organ with the 400 strings ?  
> I guess they had to do something when they went from many to three sounds. 
> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 4:26 PM,  <lsf5275@...> wrote: 
>  
>   
>     
>                   
> 
> They began using the organ instead of the bass accordion .
> 
>  
> 
> In a message dated 11/18/2012 2:34:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wonggster@... writes:
>   
> I think they were using an M 400 in the studio by the time of Selling   England....  I do wonder how they accounted for the difference in sound   between the Mk2 strings and the bass accordion for Watcher which was a big   part of their show for a long time. Did they have special tapes or did they   just roll with what was around.   
> 
> 
>   
> Surely somebody knows.
> 
> 
>     
>              
> 
>   
> 
>  
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> Gino Wong Birgelo
> BSComm, BSEE,
> ReRED Recording, Analog Sound Design
> Audio Mastering, Recording & Restoration, Logistics 
> 
> 
> Ginowong@...
>

>
> Hey Bernie-
> Â Â  I know of 2 of the groups (Yahoo), what is the third?
> Â 
> Â  -Bruce D.
> Â 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
>  From: tron400 <tron400@...>
> To: mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 6:30 AM
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: 'real people playing real instruments'
> 
> 
> Â  
> 
> Are we going to have to start yet another Mellotron group now? I'm in three of them as it is.
> 
> Bernie
> 
> --- In mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@> wrote:
> >
> > Is it snobbery to say you like one thing and dislike another?  I'm not sure
> > I've done anything other than say that.  Or is it just that I on't share
> > your point of view?
> > 
> > This is all starting to reek of the Don Tillman view of* 'if you don't like
> > XXX then you're not one of us' *that I thought this list was created to
> > escape from.
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > On 20 November 2012 10:03, <lsf5275@> wrote:
> > 
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > **
> > > That's an odd phrase coming from you.
> > >
> > >  In a message dated 11/20/2012 3:19:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > mike.dickson@ writes:
> > >
> > > This all smacks of musical snobbery to me.
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> >
>

>
> I was just thinking about Jon the other day, Andy.  Yes, he is greatly
> missed.
> 
> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 7:11 AM, Andy Thompson <andy.thompson@...>wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> >   Dear all
> >
> >  I've just received an e-mail from our much-missed Jon Salley's
> > neighbour, Monte. As things stand, I'm none the wiser regarding the
> > circumstances surrounding Jon's death, but it seems Monte took charge of
> > all his gear. He's keeping a couple of things and has sold others, but he
> > still has Jon's Mellotrons, an M400 and the black `Morazotron' MkV. He
> > needs to sell them, but I've no idea what he's asking for them – if
> > anyone's interested, mail him on:
> >
> >  monteandlori@...
> >
> >  Andy T.
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> john barrick
> 
> *Leo got it right the first time*
> *then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
>

On Nov 25, 2012, at 9:35, "tron400" <tron400@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I also think of him on occasion. Besides his Mellotrons, he had four Hammond Novachords that he was planning on eventually restoring. He once sent me a picture of three of them. RIP, Jon.
> 
> Bernie
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, john barrick <barrickjohn262@...> wrote:
> >
> > I was just thinking about Jon the other day, Andy. Yes, he is greatly
> > missed.
> > 
> > On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 7:11 AM, Andy Thompson <andy.thompson@...>wrote:
> > 
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear all
> > >
> > > I've just received an e-mail from our much-missed Jon Salley's
> > > neighbour, Monte. As things stand, I'm none the wiser regarding the
> > > circumstances surrounding Jon's death, but it seems Monte took charge of
> > > all his gear. He's keeping a couple of things and has sold others, but he
> > > still has Jon's Mellotrons, an M400 and the black `Morazotron' MkV. He
> > > needs to sell them, but I've no idea what he's asking for them – if
> > > anyone's interested, mail him on:
> > >
> > > monteandlori@...
> > >
> > > Andy T.
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > john barrick
> > 
> > *Leo got it right the first time*
> > *then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
> >
> 
>

>
> Four Novachords?  Each one of those weigh a ton!  Where did he have the room?
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> Those 
> On Nov 25, 2012, at 9:35, "tron400" <tron400@...> wrote:
> 
> > I also think of him on occasion. Besides his Mellotrons, he had four Hammond Novachords that he was planning on eventually restoring. He once sent me a picture of three of them. RIP, Jon.
> > 
> > Bernie
> > 
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, john barrick <barrickjohn262@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I was just thinking about Jon the other day, Andy. Yes, he is greatly
> > > missed.
> > > 
> > > On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 7:11 AM, Andy Thompson <andy.thompson@>wrote:
> > > 
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear all
> > > >
> > > > I've just received an e-mail from our much-missed Jon Salley's
> > > > neighbour, Monte. As things stand, I'm none the wiser regarding the
> > > > circumstances surrounding Jon's death, but it seems Monte took charge of
> > > > all his gear. He's keeping a couple of things and has sold others, but he
> > > > still has Jon's Mellotrons, an M400 and the black `Morazotron' MkV. He
> > > > needs to sell them, but I've no idea what he's asking for them â€" if
> > > > anyone's interested, mail him on:
> > > >
> > > > monteandlori@
> > > >
> > > > Andy T.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > john barrick
> > > 
> > > *Leo got it right the first time*
> > > *then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
> > >
> > 
> >
>

 From: Mark Wallis <markstuartwallis@hotmail.com>
To: new trongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> 
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 6:05 PM
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Jon Salley's Mellotrons
  
 
   
 
Oh, I know. :-)

________________________________
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.comFrom: lsf5275@aol.comDate: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 19:58:17 -0500Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Jon Salley's Mellotrons   
There are about a thousand nasty capacitors in them.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROIDMark Wallis <markstuartwallis@hotmail.com> wrote:   
I'd love to work on a Novachord...

________________________________
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.comFrom: tron400@yahoo.comDate: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:29:49 +0000Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Jon Salley's Mellotrons   
I think they were in his garage.  Bernie  --- In mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com, Hammonddave <hammonddave2004@...> wrote: > > Four Novachords?  Each one of those weigh a ton!  Where did he have the room? >  > Sent from my iPad > Those  > On Nov 25, 2012, at 9:35, "tron400" <tron400@...> wrote: >  > > I also think of him on occasion. Besides his Mellotrons, he had four Hammond Novachords that he was planning on eventually restoring. He once sent me a picture of three of them. RIP, Jon. > >  > > Bernie > >  > > --- In mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com, john barrick <barrickjohn262@> wrote: > > > > > > I was just thinking about Jon the other day, Andy. Yes, he is greatly > > > missed. > > >  > > > On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 7:11 AM, Andy Thompson <andy.thompson@>wrote: > > >  > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all > > > > > > > > I've just received an e-mail from our much-missed Jon Salley's > > > > neighbour, Monte. As things stand,
 I'm none the wiser regarding the > > > > circumstances surrounding Jon's death, but it seems Monte took charge of > > > > all his gear. He's keeping a couple of things and has sold others, but he > > > > still has Jon's Mellotrons, an M400 and the black `Morazotron' MkV. He > > > > needs to sell them, but I've no idea what he's asking for them â€" if > > > > anyone's interested, mail him on: > > > > > > > > monteandlori@ > > > > > > > > Andy T. > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > >  > > >  > > >  > > > --  > > > john barrick > > >  > > > *Leo got it right the first time* > > > *then he added a second pickup and got it righter* > > > > >  > > >

>
> I think I'd hate to *work* on a Novachord.  I'd just like to *have* one.
>  :-)
> 
> On 26 November 2012 06:21, lsf5275@... <lsf5275@...> wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> > *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID*
> >
> >
> > Bruce Daily pocotron@... wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > WELL, by "nasty" capacitors, do you mean (1)leaking chemicals,
> > (2)explosive, (3)all in need of replacement, or (4)all of the above ?
> >
> >    -Bruce D.
> >
> >
> >    *From:* Mark Wallis <markstuartwallis@...>
> > *To:* new trongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> > *Sent:* Sunday, November 25, 2012 6:05 PM
> > *Subject:* RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Jon Salley's Mellotrons
> >  **
> >
> >  Oh, I know. :-)****
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com**From: lsf5275@...**Date: Sun,
> > 25 Nov 2012 19:58:17 -0500**Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Jon
> > Salley's Mellotrons****
> >  **
> > There are about a thousand nasty capacitors in them.
> >
> > *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID*
> > ****Mark Wallis markstuartwallis@... wrote:****
> > **
> > I'd love to work on a Novachord...******
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com**From: tron400@...**Date:
> > Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:29:49 +0000**Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Jon
> > Salley's Mellotrons****
> >  I think they were in his garage.** ** Bernie** ** --- In
> > mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com<newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Hammonddave <hammonddave2004@> wrote:** >** > Four Novachords? Each
> > one of those weigh a ton! Where did he have the room?** > ** > Sent from
> > my iPad** > Those ** > On Nov 25, 2012, at 9:35, "tron400" <tron400@>
> > wrote:** > ** > > I also think of him on occasion. Besides his
> > Mellotrons, he had four Hammond Novachords that he was planning on
> > eventually restoring. He once sent me a picture of three of them. RIP, Jon.
> > ** > > ** > > Bernie** > > ** > > --- In
> > mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com<newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > john barrick <barrickjohn262@> wrote:** > > >** > > > I was just thinking
> > about Jon the other day, Andy. Yes, he is greatly** > > > missed.** > > >
> > ** > > > On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 7:11 AM, Andy Thompson <andy.thompson@
> > >wrote:** > > > ** > > > > **** > > > >** > > > >** > > > > Dear all** >
> > > > >** > > > > I've just received an e-mail from our much-missed Jon
> > Salley's** > > > > neighbour, Monte. As things stand, I'm none the wiser
> > regarding the** > > > > circumstances surrounding Jon's death, but it
> > seems Monte took charge of** > > > > all his gear. He's keeping a couple
> > of things and has sold others, but he** > > > > still has Jon's
> > Mellotrons, an M400 and the black `Morazotron' MkV. He** > > > > needs to
> > sell them, but I've no idea what he's asking for them â€" if** > > > >
> > anyone's interested, mail him on:** > > > >** > > > > monteandlori@** > >
> > > >** > > > > Andy T.** > > > >** > > > >** > > > > ** > > > >** > > > **> > >
> > ** > > > ** > > > -- ** > > > john barrick** > > > ** > > > *Leo got it
> > right the first time*** > > > *then he added a second pickup and got it
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>
> I believe they even contain PCBs.  You need a Hazmat suite to work on them.
> 
> John
> 
> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 7:58 PM, lsf5275@... <lsf5275@...> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > There are about a thousand nasty capacitors in them.
> >
> > *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID*
> >
> >
> > Mark Wallis markstuartwallis@... wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >  I'd love to work on a Novachord...
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > From: tron400@...
> > Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:29:49 +0000
> > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Jon Salley's Mellotrons
> >
> >
> >  I think they were in his garage.
> >
> > Bernie
> >
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Hammonddave <hammonddave2004@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Four Novachords? Each one of those weigh a ton! Where did he have the
> > room?
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPad
> > > Those
> > > On Nov 25, 2012, at 9:35, "tron400" <tron400@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I also think of him on occasion. Besides his Mellotrons, he had four
> > Hammond Novachords that he was planning on eventually restoring. He once
> > sent me a picture of three of them. RIP, Jon.
> > > >
> > > > Bernie
> > > >
> > > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, john barrick
> > <barrickjohn262@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I was just thinking about Jon the other day, Andy. Yes, he is greatly
> > > > > missed.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 7:11 AM, Andy Thompson <andy.thompson@
> > >wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > **
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear all
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've just received an e-mail from our much-missed Jon Salley's
> > > > > > neighbour, Monte. As things stand, I'm none the wiser regarding the
> > > > > > circumstances surrounding Jon's death, but it seems Monte took
> > charge of
> > > > > > all his gear. He's keeping a couple of things and has sold others,
> > but he
> > > > > > still has Jon's Mellotrons, an M400 and the black `Morazotron'
> > MkV. He
> > > > > > needs to sell them, but I've no idea what he's asking for them â€"
> > if
> > > > > > anyone's interested, mail him on:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > monteandlori@
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andy T.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > john barrick
> > > > >
> > > > > *Leo got it right the first time*
> > > > > *then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

>
> I believe they even contain PCBs.  You need a Hazmat suite to work on them.
> 
> John
> 
> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 7:58 PM, lsf5275@... <lsf5275@...> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > There are about a thousand nasty capacitors in them.
> >
> > *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID*
> >
> >
> > Mark Wallis markstuartwallis@... wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >  I'd love to work on a Novachord...
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > To: mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com
> > From: tron400@...
> > Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:29:49 +0000
> > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Jon Salley's Mellotrons
> >
> >
> >  I think they were in his garage.
> >
> > Bernie
> >
> > --- In mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com, Hammonddave <hammonddave2004@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Four Novachords? Each one of those weigh a ton! Where did he have the
> > room?
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPad
> > > Those
> > > On Nov 25, 2012, at 9:35, "tron400" <tron400@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I also think of him on occasion. Besides his Mellotrons, he had four
> > Hammond Novachords that he was planning on eventually restoring. He once
> > sent me a picture of three of them. RIP, Jon.
> > > >
> > > > Bernie
> > > >
> > > > --- In mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com, john barrick
> > <barrickjohn262@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I was just thinking about Jon the other day, Andy. Yes, he is greatly
> > > > > missed.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 7:11 AM, Andy Thompson <andy.thompson@
> > >wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > **
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dear all
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've just received an e-mail from our much-missed Jon Salley's
> > > > > > neighbour, Monte. As things stand, I'm none the wiser regarding the
> > > > > > circumstances surrounding Jon's death, but it seems Monte took
> > charge of
> > > > > > all his gear. He's keeping a couple of things and has sold others,
> > but he
> > > > > > still has Jon's Mellotrons, an M400 and the black `Morazotron'
> > MkV. He
> > > > > > needs to sell them, but I've no idea what he's asking for them â€"
> > if
> > > > > > anyone's interested, mail him on:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > monteandlori@
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andy T.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > john barrick
> > > > >
> > > > > *Leo got it right the first time*
> > > > > *then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

On Nov 26, 2012, at 7:39, Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com> wrote:

> 146 tubes JUST in the generator.  Geez, it doubles as a fireplace.  Let's all sing songs and warm ourselves around the Novachord!
>  
>    -Bruce D.
>  
> 
> From: ClayE <ecclesreinson@rogers.com>
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 6:24 AM
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Jon Salley's Mellotrons
>  
> About 160 tubes. A crazy project: http://www.discretesynthesizers.com/nova/intro.htm
> 
> --- In mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com, John Wright <jwright911703@...> wrote:
> >
> > I believe they even contain PCBs. You need a Hazmat suite to work on them.
> > 
> > John
> > 
> > On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 7:58 PM, lsf5275@... <lsf5275@...> wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > There are about a thousand nasty capacitors in them.
> > >
> > > *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID*
> > >
> > >
> > > Mark Wallis markstuartwallis@... wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'd love to work on a Novachord...
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > > To: mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com
> > > From: tron400@...
> > > Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:29:49 +0000
> > > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Jon Salley's Mellotrons
> > >
> > >
> > > I think they were in his garage.
> > >
> > > Bernie
> > >
> > > --- In mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com, Hammonddave <hammonddave2004@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Four Novachords? Each one of those weigh a ton! Where did he have the
> > > room?
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPad
> > > > Those
> > > > On Nov 25, 2012, at 9:35, "tron400" <tron400@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I also think of him on occasion. Besides his Mellotrons, he had four
> > > Hammond Novachords that he was planning on eventually restoring. He once
> > > sent me a picture of three of them. RIP, Jon.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bernie
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com, john barrick
> > > <barrickjohn262@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was just thinking about Jon the other day, Andy. Yes, he is greatly
> > > > > > missed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 7:11 AM, Andy Thompson <andy.thompson@
> > > >wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > **
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear all
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've just received an e-mail from our much-missed Jon Salley's
> > > > > > > neighbour, Monte. As things stand, I'm none the wiser regarding the
> > > > > > > circumstances surrounding Jon's death, but it seems Monte took
> > > charge of
> > > > > > > all his gear. He's keeping a couple of things and has sold others,
> > > but he
> > > > > > > still has Jon's Mellotrons, an M400 and the black `Morazotron'
> > > MkV. He
> > > > > > > needs to sell them, but I've no idea what he's asking for them â€"
> > > if
> > > > > > > anyone's interested, mail him on:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > monteandlori@
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Andy T.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > john barrick
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *Leo got it right the first time*
> > > > > > *then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> 
>

>
> 
> Can anyone give me a remedy for my mellotron eating it's tapes? They have gotten pinched between the capstan and the felt then wrapped around the capstan and ---snaaaaped!!!!! AUGH! I am thinking either A. the tapes are too old and worn
>                                                                             B. the felt is too old and worn
>                                                                             C. the felt needs cleaning
>                                                                             D. the tape spillbox needs to be adjusted
>                    Any help would be appreciated!
>

>
> 
> Can anyone give me a remedy for my mellotron eating it's tapes? They have gotten pinched between the capstan and the felt then wrapped around the capstan and ---snaaaaped!!!!! AUGH! I am thinking either A. the tapes are too old and worn
>                                                                             B. the felt is too old and worn
>                                                                             C. the felt needs cleaning
>                                                                             D. the tape spillbox needs to be adjusted
>                    Any help would be appreciated!
>

On 3 Dec 2012, at 16:43, Tom Doncourt <tomdcour@amnh.org> wrote:

> 
> Can anyone give me a remedy for my mellotron eating it's tapes? They have gotten pinched between the capstan and the felt then wrapped around the capstan and ---snaaaaped!!!!! AUGH! I am thinking either A. the tapes are too old and worn
>                                                                             B. the felt is too old and worn
>                                                                             C. the felt needs cleaning
>                                                                             D. the tape spillbox needs to be adjusted
>                    Any help would be appreciated!
> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
> 
>

>
> 
> Can anyone give me a remedy for my mellotron eating it's tapes? They have gotten pinched between the capstan and the felt then wrapped around the capstan and ---snaaaaped!!!!! AUGH! I am thinking either A. the tapes are too old and worn
>                                                                             B. the felt is too old and worn
>                                                                             C. the felt needs cleaning
>                                                                             D. the tape spillbox needs to be adjusted
>                    Any help would be appreciated!
>

On 12/4/12 1:21 PM, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> My mistake. Alcohol does pinch roller rubber no good.
> In a message dated 12/4/2012 1:14:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> mellotronster@yahoo.com writes:
>
>
>
>     --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, lsf5275@... wrote:
>     >
>     > Dave, I said not to clean the pinch rollers with alcohol. Aside
>     from that.....
>
>     Whoops, yeah, ya did but I thank you for your answer.
>     Dave
>
>
>

>
> What about denatured alcohol?
> 
> On 12/4/12 1:21 PM, lsf5275@... wrote:
> >
> >
> > My mistake. Alcohol does pinch roller rubber no good.
> > In a message dated 12/4/2012 1:14:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> > mellotronster@... writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >     --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> >     <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, lsf5275@ wrote:
> >     >
> >     > Dave, I said not to clean the pinch rollers with alcohol. Aside
> >     from that.....
> >
> >     Whoops, yeah, ya did but I thank you for your answer.
> >     Dave
> >
> >
> >
>

>
> I think any alcohol is not good for rubber. It causes dehydration.
> 
> Bernie
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, marabus <marabus@> wrote:
> >
> > What about denatured alcohol?
> > 
> > On 12/4/12 1:21 PM, lsf5275@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > My mistake. Alcohol does pinch roller rubber no good.
> > > In a message dated 12/4/2012 1:14:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> > > mellotronster@ writes:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >     --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > >     <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, lsf5275@ wrote:
> > >     >
> > >     > Dave, I said not to clean the pinch rollers with alcohol. Aside
> > >     from that.....
> > >
> > >     Whoops, yeah, ya did but I thank you for your answer.
> > >     Dave
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>