ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-23 by john barrick
john barrick
*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
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ID The Keyboard?
Re: [newmellotrongroup] ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-23 by Chris Dale
It looks and sounds like an ARP Solina.
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 2:53 AM, john barrick <barrickjohn262@gmail.com> wrote:
Here's a clip of Bowie on the Tonight show in 1980 - can someone tell me what the top keyboard is? It has the shitty paneling look of a chamberlin (which Bowie had), but doesn't look big enough to be an M1. It sounds cool to me, but is probably some kind of synth or low rent organ. I have no idea if it is, but it sort of looks like Carlos Alomar playing it.
--john barrick*Leo got it right the first time**then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
Re: [newmellotrongroup] ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-23 by fdoddy@aol.com
looks and sounds like a Solina/Arp String Ensemble
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VMZ0-nJ0Ipo
Here's a clip of Bowie on the Tonight show in 1980 - can someone tell me what the top keyboard is? It has the shitty paneling look of a chamberlin (which Bowie had), but doesn't look big enough to be an M1. It sounds cool to me, but is probably some kind of synth or low rent organ. I have no idea if it is, but it sort of looks like Carlos Alomar playing it.
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john barrick
*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*Re: [newmellotrongroup] ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-23 by john barrick
Thanks, fellas. It doesn't sound like any strings I've ever heard, but, I really like it.
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On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:29 AM, <fdoddy@aol.com> wrote:
looks and sounds like a Solina/Arp String Ensemble
john barrick
*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
Re: [newmellotrongroup] ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-23 by gino wong
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On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:11 PM, john barrick <barrickjohn262@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks, fellas. It doesn't sound like any strings I've ever heard, but, I really like it.
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:29 AM, <fdoddy@aol.com> wrote:
looks and sounds like a Solina/Arp String Ensemble
--john barrick
*Leo got it right the first time**then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE & BS in general
Re: [newmellotrongroup] ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-23 by Mike Dickson
It's a Solina, I think.
On 23/09/2011 07:53, john barrick wrote:
On 23/09/2011 07:53, john barrick wrote:
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Here's a clip of Bowie on the Tonight show in 1980 - can someone tell me what the top keyboard is? It has the shitty paneling look of a chamberlin (which Bowie had), but doesn't look big enough to be an M1. It sounds cool to me, but is probably some kind of synth or low rent organ. I have no idea if it is, but it sort of looks like Carlos Alomar playing it.
Re: [newmellotrongroup] ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-23 by john barrick
Thanks - it definitely is - so the really stupid question: How hard are these to come across these days? Are samples the route to take, or a low end synth with a rough and ready chorus pedal?
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On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>; wrote:
It's a Solina, I think.
On 23/09/2011 07:53, john barrick wrote:Here's a clip of Bowie on the Tonight show in 1980 - can someone tell me what the top keyboard is? It has the shitty paneling look of a chamberlin (which Bowie had), but doesn't look big enough to be an M1. It sounds cool to me, but is probably some kind of synth or low rent organ. I have no idea if it is, but it sort of looks like Carlos Alomar playing it.
john barrick
*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
Re: [newmellotrongroup] ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-23 by lsf5275@aol.com
Solinas in good shape are highly sought after. Prices, however, are not always ridiculous. In a message dated 9/23/2011 5:37:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, barrickjohn262@gmail.com writes: Thanks - it definitely is - so the really stupid question: How hard are these to come across these days? Are samples the route to take, or a low end synth with a rough and ready chorus pedal? On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Mike Dickson <_mike.dickson@gmail.com_ (mailto:mike.dickson@gmail.com) > wrote: It's a Solina, I think. On 23/09/2011 07:53, john barrick wrote: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VMZ0-nJ0Ipo_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VMZ0-nJ0Ipo) Here's a clip of Bowie on the Tonight show in 1980 - can someone tell me what the top keyboard is? It has the shitty paneling look of a chamberlin (which Bowie had), but doesn't look big enough to be an M1. It sounds cool to me, but is probably some kind of synth or low rent organ. I have no idea if it is, but it sort of looks like Carlos Alomar playing it. -- john barrick *Leo got it right the first time* *then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
Re: [newmellotrongroup] ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-24 by gino wong
I guess we roadies were to stoned to know what were dragging around six weeks on, two weeks off, year in year out.
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On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 7:14 PM, <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:
Solinas in good shape are highly sought after. Prices, however, are not always ridiculous.In a message dated 9/23/2011 5:37:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, barrickjohn262@gmail.com writes:Thanks - it definitely is - so the really stupid question: How hard are these to come across these days? Are samples the route to take, or a low end synth with a rough and ready chorus pedal?
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com> wrote:
It's a Solina, I think.
On 23/09/2011 07:53, john barrick wrote:Here's a clip of Bowie on the Tonight show in 1980 - can someone tell me what the top keyboard is? It has the shitty paneling look of a chamberlin (which Bowie had), but doesn't look big enough to be an M1. It sounds cool to me, but is probably some kind of synth or low rent organ. I have no idea if it is, but it sort of looks like Carlos Alomar playing it.
--
john barrick*Leo got it right the first time**then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE & BS in general
Re: [newmellotrongroup] ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-24 by Andy Thompson
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From: lsf5275@aol.com To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] ID The Keyboard? Solinas in good shape are highly sought after. Prices, however, are not always ridiculous. I paid UKP375 for a pretty good one earlier this year. Sounds fantastic and has already been used on three albums. :-) Mine's actually a Dutch Eminent, rather than a US ARP, but it's the same beastie. Andy T.
RE: [newmellotrongroup] ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-24 by John Hammaren
Yup, it is an SE. You can’t mistake the Chorus effect. I one purchased on the ridiculous side of price in ’09 mainly because of its perfect condition, but you should be able to pick one up between $1000 and $1200. There is no sound like it, but it does get old after a while. It does have a few more keys than a Tron though.
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol.com
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 7:14 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] ID The Keyboard?
Solinas in good shape are highly sought after. Prices, however, are not always ridiculous.
In a message dated 9/23/2011 5:37:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, barrickjohn262@gmail.com writes:
Thanks - it definitely is - so the really stupid question: How hard are these to come across these days? Are samples the route to take, or a low end synth with a rough and ready chorus pedal?
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com> wrote:
It's a Solina, I think.
On 23/09/2011 07:53, john barrick wrote:
Here's a clip of Bowie on the Tonight show in 1980 - can someone tell me what the top keyboard is? It has the shitty paneling look of a chamberlin (which Bowie had), but doesn't look big enough to be an M1. It sounds cool to me, but is probably some kind of synth or low rent organ. I have no idea if it is, but it sort of looks like Carlos Alomar playing it.
--
john barrick
*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
Re: [newmellotrongroup] ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-24 by john barrick
One sold on Ebay earlier this year for $1,500. It apparently was the first version, without an on/off switch for the chorus. I'm also hearing that the third version was still being produced in the mid '80s after ARP's demise, and that the circuitry had been redesigned so much that they longer sounded the same.
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Andy - an Eminent would fill the bill quite nicely.
John - yes, it is not something that you'd want to use wall to wall on all your material.
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On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 6:13 AM, John Hammaren <hammaren@geoconcepts.com> wrote:
Yup, it is an SE. You can’t mistake the Chorus effect. I one purchased on the ridiculous side of price in ’09 mainly because of its perfect condition, but you should be able to pick one up between $1000 and $1200. There is no sound like it, but it does get old after a while. It does have a few more keys than a Tron though.
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol.com
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 7:14 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] ID The Keyboard?
Solinas in good shape are highly sought after. Prices, however, are not always ridiculous.
In a message dated 9/23/2011 5:37:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, barrickjohn262@gmail.com writes:
Thanks - it definitely is - so the really stupid question: How hard are these to come across these days? Are samples the route to take, or a low end synth with a rough and ready chorus pedal?
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com> wrote:
It's a Solina, I think.
On 23/09/2011 07:53, john barrick wrote:
Here';s a clip of Bowie on the Tonight show in 1980 - can someone tell me what the top keyboard is? It has the shitty paneling look of a chamberlin (which Bowie had), but doesn't look big enough to be an M1. It sounds cool to me, but is probably some kind of synth or low rent organ. I have no idea if it is, but it sort of looks like Carlos Alomar playing it.
--
john barrick
*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
john barrick
*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
Re: [newmellotrongroup] ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-24 by john barrick
Sorry - NO longer sounded the same.
On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 10:38 AM, john barrick <barrickjohn262@gmail.com> wrote:
-- I'm also hearing that the third version was still being produced in the mid '80s after ARP's demise, and that the circuitry had been redesigned so much that they longer sounded the same.
john barrick
*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
Re: [newmellotrongroup] ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-25 by Chris Dale
I have an ARP Solina and ARP Omni 2.
They sound very similar but not identical which surprises me because I think they would have used the same circuitry for the strings.
The Omni has a bit more of an edge to it. The Solina has a more glassy sound, but I prefer it with a phase shifter the way Styx has it in the middle of Come Sail Away.
I always thought that the Solina sound would be an interesting sound in a Mellotron with the tape warble affecting it.
I think I paid $800.00 for the Solina back in 2005 and $300.00 for the Omni in 1993.
In the 70's I think the Solina came out before the Omni, but I could be wrong.
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On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 2:02 PM, john barrick <barrickjohn262@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry - NO longer sounded the same.
On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 10:38 AM, john barrick <barrickjohn262@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm also hearing that the third version was still being produced in the mid '80s after ARP's demise, and that the circuitry had been redesigned so much that they longer sounded the same.--john barrick*Leo got it right the first time**then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
Re: [newmellotrongroup] ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-25 by john barrick
Solina was '73/74, Chris. but from what I understand, was essentially repackaged dutch technology that was developed for an organ.
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On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 11:00 PM, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com> wrote:
-- I have an ARP Solina and ARP Omni 2.They sound very similar but not identical which surprises me because I think they would have used the same circuitry for the strings.The Omni has a bit more of an edge to it. The Solina has a more glassy sound, but I prefer it with a phase shifter the way Styx has it in the middle of Come Sail Away.I always thought that the Solina sound would be an interesting sound in a Mellotron with the tape warble affecting it.I think I paid $800.00 for the Solina back in 2005 and $300.00 for the Omni in 1993.In the 70's I think the Solina came out before the Omni, but I could be wrong.
john barrick
*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
RE: [newmellotrongroup] ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-25 by John Hammaren
Check this out. Before I bought my Solina, I was planning on building a Triple Chorus module for my DotCom. Great engineering overview by one of the synth DIY masters out there. Has a nice explanation of the Solina. http://www.jhaible.de/triple_chorus/triple_chorus.html
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From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john barrick Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 12:40 AM To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] ID The Keyboard? Solina was '73/74, Chris. but from what I understand, was essentially repackaged dutch technology that was developed for an organ. On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 11:00 PM, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com<mailto:unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com>> wrote: I have an ARP Solina and ARP Omni 2. They sound very similar but not identical which surprises me because I think they would have used the same circuitry for the strings. The Omni has a bit more of an edge to it. The Solina has a more glassy sound, but I prefer it with a phase shifter the way Styx has it in the middle of Come Sail Away. I always thought that the Solina sound would be an interesting sound in a Mellotron with the tape warble affecting it. I think I paid $800.00 for the Solina back in 2005 and $300.00 for the Omni in 1993. In the 70's I think the Solina came out before the Omni, but I could be wrong. -- john barrick *Leo got it right the first time* *then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
Re: [newmellotrongroup] ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-25 by john barrick
John - thanks much for posting. This sounds very tempting, and I may just undertake it as my next project. I guess I better start trolling ebay and other sources for an input keyboard. I had read that the Solina used a sawtooth wave generator, but in the article, he says it's square but highly filtered. That's interesting.
I'd love to find an old Solina, but at the end of the day, the sound is what's important.
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On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 7:56 AM, John Hammaren <hammaren@geoconcepts.com> wrote:
-- Check this out. Before I bought my Solina, I was planning on building a Triple Chorus module for my DotCom. Great engineering overview by one of the synth DIY masters out there. Has a nice explanation of the Solina.
http://www.jhaible.de/triple_chorus/triple_chorus.html
john barrick
*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
Re: [newmellotrongroup] ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-25 by Andy kinch
I use 2 sources for my "Solina" parts. The first is on the Roland XP80's "Vintage" card. Now I also have a brilliant version on my Nord Electro 2. Both perfectly useable IMO. In the mid seventies, a friend of mine had a Masive "Eminent" Organ which had virtually the same "buzzy" string sound as the Solina. For recording, I like to use the Mellotron for mid strings down, and then mix in the "Solina" flavour for the higher register. Nice blend. Andy K
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-----Original Message----- From: john barrick <barrickjohn262@gmail.com> To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 17:33 Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] ID The Keyboard? John - thanks much for posting. This sounds very tempting, and I may just undertake it as my next project. I guess I better start trolling ebay and other sources for an input keyboard. I had read that the Solina used a sawtooth wave generator, but in the article, he says it's square but highly filtered. That's interesting. I'd love to find an old Solina, but at the end of the day, the sound is what's important. On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 7:56 AM, John Hammaren <hammaren@geoconcepts.com> wrote: Check this out. Before I bought my Solina, I was planning on building a Triple Chorus module for my DotCom. Great engineering overview by one of the synth DIY masters out there. Has a nice explanation of the Solina. http://www.jhaible.de/triple_chorus/triple_chorus.html -- john barrick *Leo got it right the first time* *then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
Re: [newmellotrongroup] ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-25 by gino wong
That is an old project in Synth DIY circles, you may want to check with Juergen or Bridechamber to make sure that that boards and unobtainium (3 bbd chips) are currently available. You may want to look at the Krautrock Phaser if you are looking at such things as tri chorus.
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If you are going to build one , go to www.Dragonflyalley.com to get details on how to get the build done properly.
You can pull an Eminent / Solina out of a common home organ that sold in Holland and Germany in the 70's.
Crumar Performer, Crumar Trilogy were the last string synths that were coveted by many. At least that is what I saw at work.
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On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Andy kinch alsal synths<kinchmusic@aol.com> wrote:
I use 2 sources for my "Solina" parts. The first is on the Roland XP809;s "Vintage" card. Now I also have a brilliant version on my Nord Electro 2. Both perfectly useable IMO.In the mid seventies, a friend of mine had a Masive "Eminent" Organ which had virtually the same "buzzy" string sound as the Solina.For recording, I like to use the Mellotron for mid strings down, and then mix in the "Solina" flavour for the higher register. Nice blend.Andy K
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From: john barrick <barrickjohn262@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 17:33
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] ID The Keyboard?
John - thanks much for posting. This sounds very tempting, and I may just undertake it as my next project. I guess I better start trolling ebay and other sources for an input keyboard. I had read that the Solina used a sawtooth wave generator, but in the article, he says it's square but highly filtered. That's interesting.
I'd love to find an old Solina, but at the end of the day, the sound is what's important.
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 7:56 AM, John Hammaren <hammaren@geoconcepts.com> wrote:--
Check this out. Before I bought my Solina, I was planning on building a Triple Chorus module for my DotCom. Great engineering overview by one of the synth DIY masters out there. Has a nice explanation of the Solina.
john barrick
*Leo got it right the first time**then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE & BS in general
RE: [newmellotrongroup] ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-26 by John Hammaren
I bought the BB chips from vintageplanet.nl . Nice outfit. I did start my project and did get the kit from Bridechamber, also nice guys. I should point this out if anyone decides to jump in to the Haible project. The Bridechamber kit is not everything, and is built on the MOTM platform, not Moog, thus some work to deal with the different power supply requirements is necessary. Some of the Bridechamber caps were hard to identify unless you have a lot of hands-on experience, and finally the Dragonfly treatment of this build is great but drops off about 80% through the build. The rest of the stuff except the BB chips can be found at Mouser or DigiKey. The bottom line - if you haven't built anything of even medium complexity, as we say up here - fuggettaboutit. And a decent scope is a necessity.
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From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gino wong Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 7:42 PM To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] ID The Keyboard? That is an old project in Synth DIY circles, you may want to check with Juergen or Bridechamber to make sure that that boards and unobtainium (3 bbd chips) are currently available. You may want to look at the Krautrock Phaser if you are looking at such things as tri chorus. If you are going to build one , go to www.Dragonflyalley.com<http://www.Dragonflyalley.com> to get details on how to get the build done properly. You can pull an Eminent / Solina out of a common home organ that sold in Holland and Germany in the 70's. Crumar Performer, Crumar Trilogy were the last string synths that were coveted by many. At least that is what I saw at work. On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Andy kinch alsal synths<kinchmusic@aol.com<mailto:kinchmusic@aol.com>> wrote: I use 2 sources for my "Solina" parts. The first is on the Roland XP80's "Vintage" card. Now I also have a brilliant version on my Nord Electro 2. Both perfectly useable IMO. In the mid seventies, a friend of mine had a Masive "Eminent" Organ which had virtually the same "buzzy" string sound as the Solina. For recording, I like to use the Mellotron for mid strings down, and then mix in the "Solina" flavour for the higher register. Nice blend. Andy K -----Original Message----- From: john barrick <barrickjohn262@gmail.com<mailto:barrickjohn262@gmail.com>> To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>> Sent: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 17:33 Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] ID The Keyboard? John - thanks much for posting. This sounds very tempting, and I may just undertake it as my next project. I guess I better start trolling ebay and other sources for an input keyboard. I had read that the Solina used a sawtooth wave generator, but in the article, he says it's square but highly filtered. That's interesting. I'd love to find an old Solina, but at the end of the day, the sound is what's important. On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 7:56 AM, John Hammaren <hammaren@geoconcepts.com<mailto:hammaren@geoconcepts.com>> wrote: Check this out. Before I bought my Solina, I was planning on building a Triple Chorus module for my DotCom. Great engineering overview by one of the synth DIY masters out there. Has a nice explanation of the Solina. http://www.jhaible.de/triple_chorus/triple_chorus.html -- john barrick *Leo got it right the first time* *then he added a second pickup and got it righter* -- Gino Wong Birgelo BSComm, BSEE & BS in general Audio Production, Logistics, Synthesizers and sound design Ginowong@gmail.com<mailto:Ginowong@gmail.com>
Re: [newmellotrongroup] ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-26 by john barrick
Well, I can solder, but I can't read no scope. Guess it's on to plan C then. If anyone knows what plan C is, would you let me know?
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On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 7:22 AM, John Hammaren <hammaren@geoconcepts.com> wrote:
-- I bought the BB chips from vintageplanet.nl . Nice outfit. I did start my project and did get the kit from Bridechamber, also nice guys. I should point this out if anyone decides to jump in to the Haible project. The Bridechamber kit is not everything, and is built on the MOTM platform, not Moog, thus some work to deal with the different power supply requirements is necessary. Some of the Bridechamber caps were hard to identify unless you have a lot of hands-on experience, and finally the Dragonfly treatment of this build is great but drops off about 80% through the build. The rest of the stuff except the BB chips can be found at Mouser or DigiKey. The bottom line – if you haven’t built anything of even medium complexity, as we say up here – fuggettaboutit. And a decent scope is a necessity.
john barrick
*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
RE: [newmellotrongroup] ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-26 by John Hammaren
Well, if you have the ear chops of Tronsaver Frank, you don't need no stinkin' scope, but for me a scope is needed .like I said, the Bridechamber kit is really geared for MOTM. If I ever get around to finishing that module, I think I will just drop the MOTM version in my setup and get the converter from Synth.com. The PCB from Haible is first-class btw, and he was as helpful as could be.......damn, now you've done it - I will have to go and finish the bloody thing!
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From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john barrick Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 9:43 AM To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] ID The Keyboard? Well, I can solder, but I can't read no scope. Guess it's on to plan C then. If anyone knows what plan C is, would you let me know? On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 7:22 AM, John Hammaren <hammaren@geoconcepts.com<mailto:hammaren@geoconcepts.com>> wrote: I bought the BB chips from vintageplanet.nl<http://vintageplanet.nl> . Nice outfit. I did start my project and did get the kit from Bridechamber, also nice guys. I should point this out if anyone decides to jump in to the Haible project. The Bridechamber kit is not everything, and is built on the MOTM platform, not Moog, thus some work to deal with the different power supply requirements is necessary. Some of the Bridechamber caps were hard to identify unless you have a lot of hands-on experience, and finally the Dragonfly treatment of this build is great but drops off about 80% through the build. The rest of the stuff except the BB chips can be found at Mouser or DigiKey. The bottom line - if you haven't built anything of even medium complexity, as we say up here - fuggettaboutit. And a decent scope is a necessity. -- john barrick *Leo got it right the first time* *then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
Re: [newmellotrongroup] ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-26 by lsf5275@aol.com
He complains...but it keeps him off the street. In a message dated 9/26/2011 10:04:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hammaren@geoconcepts.com writes: Well, if you have the ear chops of Tronsaver Frank, you don’t need no stinkin’ scope, but for me a scope is needed .like I said, the Bridechamber kit is really geared for MOTM. If I ever get around to finishing that module, I think I will just drop the MOTM version in my setup and get the converter from Synth.com. The PCB from Haible is first-class btw, and he was as helpful as could be…….damn, now you’ve done it – I will have to go and finish the bloody thing!
Re: [newmellotrongroup] ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-26 by john barrick
Give a boy something to do...
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:11 AM, <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:
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He complains...but it keeps him off the street.In a message dated 9/26/2011 10:04:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hammaren@geoconcepts.com writes:Well, if you have the ear chops of Tronsaver Frank, you don’t need no stinkin’ scope, but for me a scope is needed .like I said, the Bridechamber kit is really geared for MOTM. If I ever get around to finishing that module, I think I will just drop the MOTM version in my setup and get the converter from Synth.com. The PCB from Haible is first-class btw, and he was as helpful as could be…….damn, now you’ve done it – I will have to go and finish the bloody thing!
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john barrick
*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
RE: [newmellotrongroup] ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-26 by John Hammaren
Indeed.
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From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john barrick Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 10:20 AM To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] ID The Keyboard? Give a boy something to do... On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:11 AM, <lsf5275@aol.com<mailto:lsf5275@aol.com>> wrote: He complains...but it keeps him off the street. In a message dated 9/26/2011 10:04:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hammaren@geoconcepts.com<mailto:hammaren@geoconcepts.com> writes: Well, if you have the ear chops of Tronsaver Frank, you don't need no stinkin' scope, but for me a scope is needed .like I said, the Bridechamber kit is really geared for MOTM. If I ever get around to finishing that module, I think I will just drop the MOTM version in my setup and get the converter from Synth.com. The PCB from Haible is first-class btw, and he was as helpful as could be.......damn, now you've done it - I will have to go and finish the bloody thing! __._ -- john barrick *Leo got it right the first time* *then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
Re: [newmellotrongroup] ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-26 by gino wong
I still populate boards for those of you who need it, no time for complete units any more and I have no more TDA1022 chips. I need some/
The surface mount bypass caps scares a lot of builders off but you can tack normal ceramics on the board.
JH build docs are fairly complete, especially wiring, with many version options and standalone or modular options for most of his items. There are no mistakes in his build docs.
I usually order straight off the Bill of Materials from Mouser or Reichelt along with specialty vendors for uncommon or unobtanium.
When do I buy Bridechamber kits I usually ask Scott to leave out the resistors and caps, I don't use tantalum or x07 caps or resistors over 1%.
Bridechamber has panels for most things and more pcbs than anyone else in one place in the west, Elby is your source in australia and the east. Both vendors are gentleman and will do their best for you.
Dragonflyalley.com is a huge work in progress and if you are not a regular builder can be a great resource. What is cool about it is it is a father son thing that spancs the differences between them, just the greatst guys Will and Bill.
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On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:30 AM, John Hammaren <hammaren@geoconcepts.com> wrote:
Indeed.
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john barrick
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 10:20 AM
Give a boy something to do...
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:11 AM, <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:
He complains...but it keeps him off the street.
In a message dated 9/26/2011 10:04:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hammaren@geoconcepts.com writes:
Well, if you have the ear chops of Tronsaver Frank, you don’t need no stinkin’ scope, but for me a scope is needed .like I said, the Bridechamber kit is really geared for MOTM. If I ever get around to finishing that module, I think I will just drop the MOTM version in my setup and get the converter from Synth.com. The PCB from Haible is first-class btw, and he was as helpful as could be…….damn, now you’ve done it – I will have to go and finish the bloody thing!
__._
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john barrick
*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE & BS in general
Re: [newmellotrongroup] ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-26 by Tom Doncourt
Plan C is where you inhale lots of solder fumes and burn your fingers
On Sep 26, 2011, at 9:42 AM, john barrick wrote:
Well, I can solder, but I can't read no scope. Guess it's on to plan C then. If anyone knows what plan C is, would you let me know?
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 7:22 AM, John Hammaren <hammaren@geoconcepts.com> wrote:--
I bought the BB chips from vintageplanet.nl . Nice outfit. I did start my project and did get the kit from Bridechamber, also nice guys. I should point this out if anyone decides to jump in to the Haible project. The Bridechamber kit is not everything, and is built on the MOTM platform, not Moog, thus some work to deal with the different power supply requirements is necessary. Some of the Bridechamber caps were hard to identify unless you have a lot of hands-on experience, and finally the Dragonfly treatment of this build is great but drops off about 80% through the build. The rest of the stuff except the BB chips can be found at Mouser or DigiKey. The bottom line – if you haven’t built anything of even medium complexity, as we say up here – fuggettaboutit. And a decent scope is a necessity.
john barrick*Leo got it right the first time**then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
Re: ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-26 by Dieter
Hello I've bought a restored and great sounding and looking Arp Solina String Ensemble version 2 with lo/hi-stereo output for eur 700. They can be found for prices between 500 and 800 euro in Europe. I've also got an Eminent 1600 Orchestra (big home organ, which sounds great by the way) and it features more or less the same string ensemble as the Arp Solina. And this one costs between 0 and 150 euro here... Dieter --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, john barrick <barrickjohn262@...> wrote:
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> > Thanks - it definitely is - so the really stupid question: How hard are > these to come across these days? Are samples the route to take, or a low > end synth with a rough and ready chorus pedal? > > On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...>wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > It's a Solina, I think. > > > > > > On 23/09/2011 07:53, john barrick wrote: > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VMZ0-nJ0Ipo > > > > Here's a clip of Bowie on the Tonight show in 1980 - can someone tell me > > what the top keyboard is? It has the shitty paneling look of a chamberlin > > (which Bowie had), but doesn't look big enough to be an M1. It sounds cool > > to me, but is probably some kind of synth or low rent organ. I have no idea > > if it is, but it sort of looks like Carlos Alomar playing it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > john barrick > > *Leo got it right the first time* > *then he added a second pickup and got it righter* >
Re: [newmellotrongroup] ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-26 by john barrick
So I was on plan C while building my tremolo pedal?
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On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Tom Doncourt <tomdcour@amnh.org> wrote:
-- Plan C is where you inhale lots of solder fumes and burn your fingers
john barrick
*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-26 by john barrick
Deiter - thanks - that gives me some hope. I wonder what the trouble/effort would be in chopping the string section out of an Eminent and rehousing it - or if it's even practical.
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On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Dieter <dieter_vanmarcke@yahoo.com> wrote:
-- Hello
I've bought a restored and great sounding and looking Arp Solina String Ensemble version 2 with lo/hi-stereo output for eur 700. They can be found for prices between 500 and 800 euro in Europe.
I've also got an Eminent 1600 Orchestra (big home organ, which sounds great by the way) and it features more or less the same string ensemble as the Arp Solina. And this one costs between 0 and 150 euro here...
Dieter
john barrick
*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-26 by john barrick
So - I'm seeing an Elka Rhapsody 490 on Ebay for $150 - that seems like a workable solution for the time being. I know the sound isn't exactly the same, but it's in the ballpark - any opinions?
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On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:30 PM, john barrick <barrickjohn262@gmail.com> wrote:
Deiter - thanks - that gives me some hope. I wonder what the trouble/effort would be in chopping the string section out of an Eminent and rehousing it - or if it's even practical.On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Dieter <dieter_vanmarcke@yahoo.com> wrote:--
Hello
I've bought a restored and great sounding and looking Arp Solina String Ensemble version 2 with lo/hi-stereo output for eur 700. They can be found for prices between 500 and 800 euro in Europe.
I've also got an Eminent 1600 Orchestra (big home organ, which sounds great by the way) and it features more or less the same string ensemble as the Arp Solina. And this one costs between 0 and 150 euro here...
Dieterjohn barrick*Leo got it right the first time**then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
john barrick
*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-26 by lsf5275@aol.com
John, Why do you want one of these? Curious. Frank In a message dated 9/26/2011 5:26:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, barrickjohn262@gmail.com writes: Deiter - thanks - that gives me some hope. I wonder what the trouble/effort would be in chopping the string section out of an Eminent and rehousing it - or if it's even practical. On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Dieter <_dieter_vanmarcke@yahoo.com_ (mailto:dieter_vanmarcke@yahoo.com) > wrote: Hello I've bought a restored and great sounding and looking Arp Solina String Ensemble version 2 with lo/hi-stereo output for eur 700. They can be found for prices between 500 and 800 euro in Europe. I've also got an Eminent 1600 Orchestra (big home organ, which sounds great by the way) and it features more or less the same string ensemble as the Arp Solina. And this one costs between 0 and 150 euro here... Dieter -- john barrick *Leo got it right the first time* *then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-26 by Tom Doncourt
why not buy Gino's Freeman- that was the best string synth in my books
On Sep 26, 2011, at 5:28 PM, <lsf5275@aol.com> <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:
John,Why do you want one of these? Curious.FrankIn a message dated 9/26/2011 5:26:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, barrickjohn262@gmail.com writes:Deiter - thanks - that gives me some hope. I wonder what the trouble/effort would be in chopping the string section out of an Eminent and rehousing it - or if it's even practical.
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Dieter <dieter_vanmarcke@yahoo.com> wrote:--
Hello
I've bought a restored and great sounding and looking Arp Solina String Ensemble version 2 with lo/hi-stereo output for eur 700. They can be found for prices between 500 and 800 euro in Europe.
I've also got an Eminent 1600 Orchestra (big home organ, which sounds great by the way) and it features more or less the same string ensemble as the Arp Solina. And this one costs between 0 and 150 euro here...
Dieter
john barrick*Leo got it right the first time**then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-26 by john barrick
Because I love the gritty, highly textured sound they make Frank. I always thought the sound was created with a lot of processing when I was hearing it on stuff like Oxygene and Low/Heroes - I didn't realize it was a string keyboard with some phasing.
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On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 4:28 PM, <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:
John,Why do you want one of these? Curious.Frank--
john barrick
*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-26 by john barrick
'cause I doubt I have the money for it. I'm perpetually broke, Tom. Does the Freeman make the Solina sound?
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On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Tom Doncourt <tomdcour@amnh.org> wrote:
why not buy Gino's Freeman- that was the best string synth in my books
On Sep 26, 2011, at 5:28 PM, <lsf5275@aol.com> <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:John,Why do you want one of these? Curious.FrankIn a message dated 9/26/2011 5:26:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, barrickjohn262@gmail.com writes:Deiter - thanks - that gives me some hope. I wonder what the trouble/effort would be in chopping the string section out of an Eminent and rehousing it - or if it's even practical.
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Dieter <dieter_vanmarcke@yahoo.com> wrote:--
Hello
I've bought a restored and great sounding and looking Arp Solina String Ensemble version 2 with lo/hi-stereo output for eur 700. They can be found for prices between 500 and 800 euro in Europe.
I've also got an Eminent 1600 Orchestra (big home organ, which sounds great by the way) and it features more or less the same string ensemble as the Arp Solina. And this one costs between 0 and 150 euro here...
Dieter
john barrick*Leo got it right the first time**then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
john barrick
*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-26 by lsf5275@aol.com
OK, now I want one... kidding. In a message dated 9/26/2011 5:38:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, barrickjohn262@gmail.com writes: Because I love the gritty, highly textured sound they make Frank. I always thought the sound was created with a lot of processing when I was hearing it on stuff like Oxygene and Low/Heroes - I didn't realize it was a string keyboard with some phasing. On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 4:28 PM, <_lsf5275@aol.com_ (mailto:lsf5275@aol.com) > wrote: John, Why do you want one of these? Curious. Frank -- john barrick *Leo got it right the first time* *then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-26 by john barrick
Hey - are you making fun of my pedestrian tastes?
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john barrick
*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-26 by lsf5275@aol.com
Not at all. I have wanted a Solina for a long time. But a confluence of circumstances allowed me to make two purchases that I normally would never have had the funds for. Not for either. The window opened, the window closed. In a message dated 9/26/2011 5:46:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, barrickjohn262@gmail.com writes: Hey - are you making fun of my pedestrian tastes? On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 4:43 PM, <_lsf5275@aol.com_ (mailto:lsf5275@aol.com) > wrote: OK, now I want one... kidding. -- john barrick *Leo got it right the first time* *then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-26 by john barrick
So do you like the Solina for that chorusy gritty texture it has? I'm curious also. That really stands out to me, but I realize that others may be hearing different things in it. And I was kidding by the way.
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On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 4:51 PM, <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:
Not at all. I have wanted a Solina for a long time. But a confluence of circumstances allowed me to make two purchases that I normally would never have had the funds for. Not for either. The window opened, the window closed.In a message dated 9/26/2011 5:46:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, barrickjohn262@gmail.com writes:Hey - are you making fun of my pedestrian tastes?
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john barrick*Leo got it right the first time**then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
john barrick
*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-26 by lsf5275@aol.com
I know you were kidding. I can't put my finger on it, but I wanted one when they first came out, but at the time I was not able to play any keyboard. In a message dated 9/26/2011 5:59:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, barrickjohn262@gmail.com writes: So do you like the Solina for that chorusy gritty texture it has? I'm curious also. That really stands out to me, but I realize that others may be hearing different things in it. And I was kidding by the way. On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 4:51 PM, <_lsf5275@aol.com_ (mailto:lsf5275@aol.com) > wrote: Not at all. I have wanted a Solina for a long time. But a confluence of circumstances allowed me to make two purchases that I normally would never have had the funds for. Not for either. The window opened, the window closed. In a message dated 9/26/2011 5:46:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _barrickjohn262@gmail.com_ (mailto:barrickjohn262@gmail.com) writes: Hey - are you making fun of my pedestrian tastes? On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 4:43 PM, <_lsf5275@aol.com_ (mailto:lsf5275@aol.com) > wrote: OK, now I want one... kidding. -- john barrick *Leo got it right the first time* *then he added a second pickup and got it righter* -- john barrick *Leo got it right the first time* *then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-26 by Gary Brumm
I have a Roland Vintage Keys module and a couple of Emu Vintage Keys modules and as I recall they both have the ARP string sounds. The Emu's are still around $300US but I have seen the Roland's on eBay fir $150US. I used to have an ARP String Ensemble and later on had the Freeman. They were a unique sound but I don't think I would want a dedicated keyboard for just that sound. IMHO .... g
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From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john barrick Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:41 PM To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: ID The Keyboard? 'cause I doubt I have the money for it. I'm perpetually broke, Tom. Does the Freeman make the Solina sound? On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Tom Doncourt <tomdcour@amnh.org<mailto:tomdcour@amnh.org>> wrote: why not buy Gino's Freeman- that was the best string synth in my books On Sep 26, 2011, at 5:28 PM, <lsf5275@aol.com<mailto:lsf5275@aol.com>> <lsf5275@aol.com<mailto:lsf5275@aol.com>> wrote: John, Why do you want one of these? Curious. Frank In a message dated 9/26/2011 5:26:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, barrickjohn262@gmail.com<mailto:barrickjohn262@gmail.com> writes: Deiter - thanks - that gives me some hope. I wonder what the trouble/effort would be in chopping the string section out of an Eminent and rehousing it - or if it's even practical. On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Dieter <dieter_vanmarcke@yahoo.com<mailto:dieter_vanmarcke@yahoo.com>> wrote: Hello I've bought a restored and great sounding and looking Arp Solina String Ensemble version 2 with lo/hi-stereo output for eur 700. They can be found for prices between 500 and 800 euro in Europe. I've also got an Eminent 1600 Orchestra (big home organ, which sounds great by the way) and it features more or less the same string ensemble as the Arp Solina. And this one costs between 0 and 150 euro here... Dieter -- john barrick *Leo got it right the first time* *then he added a second pickup and got it righter* -- john barrick *Leo got it right the first time* *then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-26 by John Hammaren
Like the Mellotron though, there is nothing that sounds exactly like it. The reason I have one and it is my second since selling the first 25 years ago to buy a house - of course the SE by itself didn't buy the house.
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From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Brumm Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 6:18 PM To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: ID The Keyboard? I have a Roland Vintage Keys module and a couple of Emu Vintage Keys modules and as I recall they both have the ARP string sounds. The Emu's are still around $300US but I have seen the Roland's on eBay fir $150US. I used to have an ARP String Ensemble and later on had the Freeman. They were a unique sound but I don't think I would want a dedicated keyboard for just that sound. IMHO .... g From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john barrick Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:41 PM To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: ID The Keyboard? 'cause I doubt I have the money for it. I'm perpetually broke, Tom. Does the Freeman make the Solina sound? On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Tom Doncourt <tomdcour@amnh.org<mailto:tomdcour@amnh.org>> wrote: why not buy Gino's Freeman- that was the best string synth in my books On Sep 26, 2011, at 5:28 PM, <lsf5275@aol.com<mailto:lsf5275@aol.com>> <lsf5275@aol.com<mailto:lsf5275@aol.com>> wrote: John, Why do you want one of these? Curious. Frank In a message dated 9/26/2011 5:26:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, barrickjohn262@gmail.com<mailto:barrickjohn262@gmail.com> writes: Deiter - thanks - that gives me some hope. I wonder what the trouble/effort would be in chopping the string section out of an Eminent and rehousing it - or if it's even practical. On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Dieter <dieter_vanmarcke@yahoo.com<mailto:dieter_vanmarcke@yahoo.com>> wrote: Hello I've bought a restored and great sounding and looking Arp Solina String Ensemble version 2 with lo/hi-stereo output for eur 700. They can be found for prices between 500 and 800 euro in Europe. I've also got an Eminent 1600 Orchestra (big home organ, which sounds great by the way) and it features more or less the same string ensemble as the Arp Solina. And this one costs between 0 and 150 euro here... Dieter -- john barrick *Leo got it right the first time* *then he added a second pickup and got it righter* -- john barrick *Leo got it right the first time* *then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-27 by lsf5275@aol.com
I'm pretty sure it makes the Freeman sound. In a message dated 9/26/2011 8:12:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, barrickjohn262@gmail.com writes: 'cause I doubt I have the money for it. I'm perpetually broke, Tom. Does the Freeman make the Solina sound?
Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-27 by fdoddy@aol.com
Hey John, You're in jersey right? whereabouts? fritz..Hunterdon County x11 off I78
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From: John Hammaren <hammaren@geoconcepts.com>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Sep 26, 2011 7:07 pm
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: ID The Keyboard?
Like the Mellotron though, there is nothing that sounds exactly like it. The reason I have one and it is my second since selling the first 25 years ago to buy a house – of course the SE by itself didn’t buy the house.
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Brumm
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 6:18 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: ID The Keyboard?
I have a Roland Vintage Keys module and a couple of Emu Vintage Keys modules and as I recall they
both have the ARP string sounds. The Emu’s are still around $300US but I have seen the Roland’s on
eBay fir $150US. I used to have an ARP String Ensemble and later on had the Freeman. They were a unique
sound but I don’t think I would want a dedicated keyboard for just that sound. IMHO ….
g< o>
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john barrick
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:41 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: ID The Keyboard?
'cause I doubt I have the money for it. I'm perpetually broke, Tom. Does the Freeman make the Solina sound?
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Tom Doncourt <tomdcour@amnh.org> wrote:
why not buy Gino's Freeman- that was the best string synth in my books
On Sep 26, 2011, at 5:28 PM, <lsf5275@aol.com> <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:
John,
Why do you want one of these? Curious.
Frank
In a message dated 9/26/2011 5:26:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, barrickjohn262@gmail.com writes:
Deiter - thanks - that gives me some hope. I wonder what the trouble/effort would be in chopping the string section out of an Eminent and rehousing it - or if it's even practical.
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Dieter <dieter_vanmarcke@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hello
I've bought a restored and great sounding and looking Arp Solina String Ensemble version 2 with lo/hi -stereo output for eur 700. They can be found for prices between 500 and 800 euro in Europe.
I've also got an Eminent 1600 Orchestra (big home organ, which sounds great by the way) and it features more or less the same string ensemble as the Arp Solina. And this one costs between 0 and 150 euro here...
Dieter
--
john barrick
*Leo got it right the first time*
*t hen he added a second pickup and got it righter*
--
john barrick
*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-27 by Gary Brumm
You are a wise man Frank...almost Prophet like....which of course makes the Prophet sound...... ....sorry after two beers that's the best I can do.... :) Cheers, Gary
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From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol.com Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 5:27 PM To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: ID The Keyboard? I'm pretty sure it makes the Freeman sound. In a message dated 9/26/2011 8:12:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, barrickjohn262@gmail.com<mailto:barrickjohn262@gmail.com> writes: 'cause I doubt I have the money for it. I'm perpetually broke, Tom. Does the Freeman make the Solina sound?
Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-27 by lsf5275@aol.com
In a message dated 9/26/2011 8:42:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gabru@comsec.net writes: You are a wise man Frank…almost Prophet like….which of course makes the Prophet sound…… ….sorry after two beers that’s the best I can do…. J Cheers, Gary < a name="_MailEndCompose">
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From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol.com Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 5:27 PM To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: ID The Keyboard? I'm pretty sure it makes the Freeman sound. In a message dated 9/26/2011 8:12:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _barrickjohn262@gmail.com_ (mailto:barrickjohn262@gmail.com) writes: 'cause I doubt I have the money for it. I'm perpetually broke, Tom. Does the Freeman make the Solina sound?
Re: ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-27 by Dieter
John, I think it will be easier to make water into wine. I had a look inside the Eminent Organ, and I have to say it's quite a mess inside - not like the Arp Solina, which looks very clean and nicely wired inside. The string section here is made by Eminent (as is the Arp Solina String Ensemble in fact) and it is spread out all over the place. You have a dedicated string section (which has 4' and 8' + sustained 8' for the upper and lower keyboard and another layer for the bass pedals), but the strings are also featured in the Arpeggio section and in the Rhythm/accompaniment section. The actual "String Synthesizer" inside the organ is really a part of the rest and not a freestanding section. I have uploaded a video on Youtube a few weeks ago to show some people my organs, here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31uKXzhS3HI I start fiddling around with the string section (sometimes in combination with other sounds) at 1.45 and I turn it off somewhere around 3.40. It's also featured in the next parts of the video (around 5.00 and so on) in the Arpeggio and Rhythm section. If you really want one, I would suggest you to follow some european auction sites. If you want, I can look around for one... they're quite common in europe on auction sites... Dieter --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, john barrick <barrickjohn262@...> wrote:
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> > Deiter - thanks - that gives me some hope. I wonder what the trouble/effort > would be in chopping the string section out of an Eminent and rehousing it - > or if it's even practical. > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Dieter <dieter_vanmarcke@...> wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > Hello > > > > I've bought a restored and great sounding and looking Arp Solina String > > Ensemble version 2 with lo/hi-stereo output for eur 700. They can be found > > for prices between 500 and 800 euro in Europe. > > I've also got an Eminent 1600 Orchestra (big home organ, which sounds great > > by the way) and it features more or less the same string ensemble as the Arp > > Solina. And this one costs between 0 and 150 euro here... > > > > Dieter > > > -- > john barrick > > *Leo got it right the first time* > *then he added a second pickup and got it righter* >
RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-27 by John Hammaren
Kinnelon, 5 miles from 287 52A. Email me off list if you’d like to get together. Hammaren@geoconcepts.com
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From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of fdoddy@aol.com
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 8:29 PM
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Hey John,
You're in jersey right?
whereabouts?
fritz..Hunterdon County x11 off I78
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Like the Mellotron though, there is nothing that sounds exactly like it. The reason I have one and it is my second since selling the first 25 years ago to buy a house – of course the SE by itself didn’t buy the house.
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Brumm
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 6:18 PM
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I have a Roland Vintage Keys module and a couple of Emu Vintage Keys modules and as I recall they
both have the ARP string sounds. The Emu’s are still around $300US but I have seen the Roland’s on
eBay fir $150US. I used to have an ARP String Ensemble and later on had the Freeman. They were a unique
sound but I don’t think I would want a dedicated keyboard for just that sound. IMHO ….
g< o>
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john barrick
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:41 PM
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'cause I doubt I have the money for it. I'm perpetually broke, Tom. Does the Freeman make the Solina sound?
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Tom Doncourt <tomdcour@amnh.org> wrote:
why not buy Gino's Freeman- that was the best string synth in my books
On Sep 26, 2011, at 5:28 PM, <lsf5275@aol.com> <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:
John,
Why do you want one of these? Curious.
Frank
In a message dated 9/26/2011 5:26:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, barrickjohn262@gmail.com writes:
Deiter - thanks - that gives me some hope. I wonder what the trouble/effort would be in chopping the string section out of an Eminent and rehousing it - or if it's even practical.
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Dieter <dieter_vanmarcke@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hello
I've bought a restored and great sounding and looking Arp Solina String Ensemble version 2 with lo/hi -stereo output for eur 700. They can be found for prices between 500 and 800 euro in Europe.
I've also got an Eminent 1600 Orchestra (big home organ, which sounds great by the way) and it features more or less the same string ensemble as the Arp Solina. And this one costs between 0 and 150 euro here...
Dieter--
john barrick
*Leo got it right the first time*
*t hen he added a second pickup and got it righter*
--
john barrick
*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
Re: ID The Keyboard?
2011-09-27 by Dieter
I just had a look around on Belgian 2nd hand sites, and found two Arp Solina String ensembles (one of them credited as just "Solina String Ensemble", one goes for 500 euro, the other one is rising direction 600 euro. Dieter --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "Dieter" <dieter_vanmarcke@...> wrote:
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> > John, > > I think it will be easier to make water into wine. I had a look inside the Eminent Organ, and I have to say it's quite a mess inside - not like the Arp Solina, which looks very clean and nicely wired inside. The string section here is made by Eminent (as is the Arp Solina String Ensemble in fact) and it is spread out all over the place. You have a dedicated string section (which has 4' and 8' + sustained 8' for the upper and lower keyboard and another layer for the bass pedals), but the strings are also featured in the Arpeggio section and in the Rhythm/accompaniment section. The actual "String Synthesizer" inside the organ is really a part of the rest and not a freestanding section. > > I have uploaded a video on Youtube a few weeks ago to show some people my organs, here it is: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31uKXzhS3HI > I start fiddling around with the string section (sometimes in combination with other sounds) at 1.45 and I turn it off somewhere around 3.40. It's also featured in the next parts of the video (around 5.00 and so on) in the Arpeggio and Rhythm section. > > If you really want one, I would suggest you to follow some european auction sites. If you want, I can look around for one... they're quite common in europe on auction sites... > > Dieter > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, john barrick <barrickjohn262@> wrote: > > > > Deiter - thanks - that gives me some hope. I wonder what the trouble/effort > > would be in chopping the string section out of an Eminent and rehousing it - > > or if it's even practical. > > > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Dieter <dieter_vanmarcke@> wrote: > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > Hello > > > > > > I've bought a restored and great sounding and looking Arp Solina String > > > Ensemble version 2 with lo/hi-stereo output for eur 700. They can be found > > > for prices between 500 and 800 euro in Europe. > > > I've also got an Eminent 1600 Orchestra (big home organ, which sounds great > > > by the way) and it features more or less the same string ensemble as the Arp > > > Solina. And this one costs between 0 and 150 euro here... > > > > > > Dieter > > > > > -- > > john barrick > > > > *Leo got it right the first time* > > *then he added a second pickup and got it righter* > > >