Frippery
2011-07-23 by Mike Dickson
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Frippery
Re: [newmellotrongroup] Frippery
2011-07-23 by Bruce Daily
Self-help gone terribly wrong! I would be more influenced by the Tom Cruise character in the film Magnolia... -Bruce D. --- On Sat, 7/23/11, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com> wrote:
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From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Frippery To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 23, 2011, 12:02 AM Dear God... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzKrTMVdvRk
Re: Frippery
2011-07-23 by tron400
Ah, couldn't finish watching it. Bernie --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@...> wrote:
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> > Self-help gone terribly wrong! > I would be more influenced by the Tom Cruise character in the film Magnolia... >  >  -Bruce D. > > --- On Sat, 7/23/11, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...> wrote: > > > From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...> > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Frippery > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, July 23, 2011, 12:02 AM > > >  > > > > Dear God... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzKrTMVdvRk >
Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Frippery
2011-07-23 by Tony
Neither could I.
Tony
----- Original Message -----From: tron400Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 8:46 AMSubject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: FripperyAh, couldn't finish watching it.
Bernie
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] Frippery
2011-07-23 by fdoddy@aol.com
oh my! fritz
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Dear God...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzKrTMVdvRkRe: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Frippery
2011-07-23 by Mike Dickson
Neither could I. Do you think she has those affected
mannerisms, endless head wobbling and ponderous emphasis
when she is asking for someone to pass the butter?
Actually...I reckon she might.
On 23/07/2011 14:11, Tony wrote:
Actually...I reckon she might.
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Neither could I.Tony----- Original Message -----From: tron400Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 8:46 AMSubject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Frippery
Ah, couldn't finish watching it.
Bernie
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-23 by David Jacques
I agree... all these people are saying that she was one if "the greatest"... Sorry... She was good... but great?
She always sounded high to me... slurring her words.. etc... Style? maybe so... But considering what has happened...
Unfortunately, most will remember her for this performance:
Shame....
On Jul 24, 2011, at 12:55 AM, Mike Dickson wrote:
On 23/07/2011 21:17, Ms. Janet Strauss wrote:
Yep. She had a gift, and a look.
I have to confess that I didn't 'get' it about her at all. She could sing on key without a doubt, but her voice was so mannered and affected that I couldn't make out a single word she was singing, and that was even when she was relatively clean.
It's sad someone that young dies, but really it was all her own doing. My sympathies are somewhat restrained.
Mike
Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Frippery
2011-07-23 by Bruce Daily
Mike- Just to add, this is a truely unwatchable gem! I wonder, what the Fripp is next? -Bruce D. --- On Sat, 7/23/11, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com> wrote:
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From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Frippery To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 23, 2011, 8:49 AM Neither could I. Do you think she has those affected mannerisms, endless head wobbling and ponderous emphasis when she is asking for someone to pass the butter? Actually...I reckon she might. On 23/07/2011 14:11, Tony wrote: Neither could I. Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: tron400 To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 8:46 AM Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Frippery Ah, couldn't finish watching it. Bernie --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@...> wrote: > > Self-help gone terribly wrong! > I would be more influenced by the Tom Cruise character in the film Magnolia... >  >  -Bruce D. > > --- On Sat, 7/23/11, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...> wrote: > > > From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...> > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Frippery > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com > Date: Saturday, July 23, 2011, 12:02 AM > > >  > > > > Dear God... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzKrTMVdvRk > R
Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Frippery
2011-07-23 by lsf5275@aol.com
She's a succubus feeding off the self-righteousness of a faded star who thinks his words matter to anyone besides himself. Robert has yet to realize, as has his sister, that they are tiny flees on the giant elephant of life. You may feel free to quote me. In a message dated 7/23/2011 10:50:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mike.dickson@gmail.com writes: Neither could I. Do you think she has those affected mannerisms, endless head wobbling and ponderous emphasis when she is asking for someone to pass the butter? Actually...I reckon she might. On 23/07/2011 14:11, Tony wrote: Neither could I. Tony
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----- Original Message ----- From: _tron400_ (mailto:tron400@yahoo.com) To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 8:46 AM Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Frippery Ah, couldn't finish watching it. Bernie --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) , Bruce Daily _<pocotron@...>_ (mailto:pocotron@...) wrote: > > Self-help gone terribly wrong! > I would be more influenced by the Tom Cruise character in the film Magnolia... >  >  -Bruce D. > > --- On Sat, 7/23/11, Mike Dickson _<mike.dickson@...>_ (mailto:mike.dickson@...) wrote: > > > From: Mike Dickson _<mike.dickson@...>_ (mailto:mike.dickson@...) > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Frippery > To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) > Date: Saturday, July 23, 2011, 12:02 AM > > >  > > > > Dear God... > > _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzKrTMVdvRk_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzKrTMVdvRk) > _R_ (mailto:atm655@verizon.net?subject=Re:%20[newmellotrongroup]%20Re:%20Frippery)
RE: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-23 by Ms. Janet Strauss
She should've gone to rehab. More than once. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab1jta-Uzco <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab1jta-Uzco&feature=related> &feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y15N-vMnsIw <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y15N-vMnsIw&feature=related> &feature=related
Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-23 by lsf5275@aol.com
A shame, but no surprise. In a message dated 7/23/2011 4:07:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jandjstrz@verizon.net writes: She should’ve gone to rehab. More than once. _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab1jta-Uzco&feature=related_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab1jta-Uzco&feature=related) _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y15N-vMnsIw&feature=related_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y15N-vMnsIw&feature=related)
RE: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-23 by Ms. Janet Strauss
Yep. She had a gift, and a look. But instead..she joins the 27 club. Jim http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c2t-51X1gM <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c2t-51X1gM&feature=related> &feature=related
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-----Original Message----- From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol.com Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 4:11 PM To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked A shame, but no surprise. In a message dated 7/23/2011 4:07:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jandjstrz@verizon.net writes: She should've gone to rehab. More than once. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab1jta-Uzco <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab1jta-Uzco&feature=related> &feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y15N-vMnsIw <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y15N-vMnsIw&feature=related> &feature=related
Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-23 by djacques@csulb.edu
I like Ms Gaga. She is quite creative.
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She wasn’t one of the greatest, and that
genre doesn’t fly with some….I don’t get Billie Holiday. Or lady Gaga….but I’ll listen to Amy Wino
before I suffer Lady Gaga. Jim -----Original
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agree... all these people are saying that she was one if "the greatest"...
Sorry... She was good... but great? She always sounded high to me... slurring her words..
etc... Style? maybe so... But considering what has
happened... Unfortunately, most will remember her for this
performance: Shame.... On Jul 24, 2011, at 12:55 AM, Mike Dickson
wrote: On 23/07/2011 21:17, Ms. Janet
Strauss wrote: Yep.
She had a gift, and a look. Jim,
Watch the video on you tube of Gaga on Howard Stern. I used to feel the
same way. I may not "get" her but man can she sing and she is actually pretty
down to earth.
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I have to confess that I
didn't 'get' it about her at all. She could sing on key without a doubt, but
her voice was so mannered and affected that I couldn't make out a single word
she was singing, and that was even when she was relatively clean.
It's sad someone that young
dies, but really it was all her own doing. My sympathies are somewhat
restrained.
Mike
Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-23 by Mike Dickson
On 23/07/2011 21:17, Ms. Janet Strauss wrote:
I have to confess that I didn't 'get' it about her at all. She could sing on key without a doubt, but her voice was so mannered and affected that I couldn't make out a single word she was singing, and that was even when she was relatively clean.
It's sad someone that young dies, but really it was all her own doing. My sympathies are somewhat restrained.
Mike
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Yep. She had a gift, and a look.
I have to confess that I didn't 'get' it about her at all. She could sing on key without a doubt, but her voice was so mannered and affected that I couldn't make out a single word she was singing, and that was even when she was relatively clean.
It's sad someone that young dies, but really it was all her own doing. My sympathies are somewhat restrained.
Mike
RE: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-23 by Ms. Janet Strauss
She wasn't one of the greatest, and that genre doesn't fly with some..I don't get Billie Holiday. Or lady Gaga..but I'll listen to Amy Wino before I suffer Lady Gaga. Jim
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-----Original Message----- From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Jacques Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 11:23 AM To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked I agree... all these people are saying that she was one if "the greatest"... Sorry... She was good... but great? She always sounded high to me... slurring her words.. etc... Style? maybe so... But considering what has happened... Unfortunately, most will remember her for this performance: http://hiphopwired.com/2011/06/19/amy-winehouse-falls-over-forget-words-and- mumbles-her-first-performance-out-of-rehab-video-30097/ Shame.... On Jul 24, 2011, at 12:55 AM, Mike Dickson wrote: On 23/07/2011 21:17, Ms. Janet Strauss wrote: Yep. She had a gift, and a look. I have to confess that I didn't 'get' it about her at all. She could sing on key without a doubt, but her voice was so mannered and affected that I couldn't make out a single word she was singing, and that was even when she was relatively clean. It's sad someone that young dies, but really it was all her own doing. My sympathies are somewhat restrained. Mike
RE: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-23 by Ms. Janet Strauss
I'll try to remember her for this and leave it at that... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlRF43-xaYc'
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-----Original Message----- From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Jacques Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 11:23 AM To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked I agree... all these people are saying that she was one if "the greatest"... Sorry... She was good... but great? She always sounded high to me... slurring her words.. etc... Style? maybe so... But considering what has happened... Unfortunately, most will remember her for this performance: http://hiphopwired.com/2011/06/19/amy-winehouse-falls-over-forget-words-and- mumbles-her-first-performance-out-of-rehab-video-30097/ Shame.... On Jul 24, 2011, at 12:55 AM, Mike Dickson wrote: On 23/07/2011 21:17, Ms. Janet Strauss wrote: Yep. She had a gift, and a look. I have to confess that I didn't 'get' it about her at all. She could sing on key without a doubt, but her voice was so mannered and affected that I couldn't make out a single word she was singing, and that was even when she was relatively clean. It's sad someone that young dies, but really it was all her own doing. My sympathies are somewhat restrained. Mike
Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-23 by lsf5275@aol.com
I know I will. She did it to herself. No one made her be an addict. She chose it. In a message dated 7/23/2011 6:23:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, djacques@csulb.edu writes: Unfortunately, most will remember her for this performance: _http://hiphopwired.com/2011/06/19/amy-winehouse-falls-over-forget-words-and -mumbles-her-first-performance-out-of-rehab-video-30097/_ (http://hiphopwired.com/2011/06/19/amy-winehouse-falls-over-forget-words-and-mumbles-her-first -performance-out-of-rehab-video-30097/) Shame....
Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-23 by lsf5275@aol.com
Jim, Watch the video on you tube of Gaga on Howard Stern. I used to feel the same way. I may not "get" her but man can she sing and she is actually pretty down to earth. In a message dated 7/23/2011 6:48:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jandjstrz@verizon.net writes: She wasn’t one of the greatest, and that genre doesn’t fly with some….I don’t get Billie Holiday. Or lady Gaga….but I’ll listen to Amy Wino before I suffer Lady Gaga. Jim -----Original Message-----
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From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Jacques Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 11:23 AM To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked I agree... all these people are saying that she was one if "the greatest"... Sorry... She was good... but great? She always sounded high to me... slurring her words.. etc... Style? maybe so... But considering what has happened... Unfortunately, most will remember her for this performance: _http://hiphopwired.com/2011/06/19/amy-winehouse-falls-over-forget-words-and -mumbles-her-first-performance-out-of-rehab-video-30097/_ (http://hiphopwired.com/2011/06/19/amy-winehouse-falls-over-forget-words-and-mumbles-her-first -performance-out-of-rehab-video-30097/) Shame.... On Jul 24, 2011, at 12:55 AM, Mike Dickson wrote: On 23/07/2011 21:17, Ms. Janet Strauss wrote: Yep. She had a gift, and a look. I have to confess that I didn't 'get' it about her at all. She could sing on key without a doubt, but her voice was so mannered and affected that I couldn't make out a single word she was singing, and that was even when she was relatively clean. It's sad someone that young dies, but really it was all her own doing. My sympathies are somewhat restrained. Mike
RE: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-24 by Ms. Janet Strauss
Ok guys .I'll check it out .. Up to now, I haven't seen much she (GaGa) does that Madonna or Dale Bozio of Missing Persons wasn't doing long before.and better. You rememeber Dale Bozio.... I have it good authority they all use the same cone bra. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up5-NVBD5N8 <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up5-NVBD5N8&feature=related> &feature=related
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-----Original Message----- From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of djacques@csulb.edu Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 5:34 PM To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked I like Ms Gaga. She is quite creative. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile _____ From: <lsf5275@aol.com> Sender: <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 19:17:50 -0400 To: <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> ReplyTo: <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked Jim, Watch the video on you tube of Gaga on Howard Stern. I used to feel the same way. I may not "get" her but man can she sing and she is actually pretty down to earth. In a message dated 7/23/2011 6:48:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jandjstrz@verizon.net writes: She wasn't one of the greatest, and that genre doesn't fly with some..I don't get Billie Holiday. Or lady Gaga..but I'll listen to Amy Wino before I suffer Lady Gaga. Jim -----Original Message----- From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Jacques Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 11:23 AM To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked I agree... all these people are saying that she was one if "the greatest"... Sorry... She was good... but great? She always sounded high to me... slurring her words.. etc... Style? maybe so... But considering what has happened... Unfortunately, most will remember her for this performance: http://hiphopwired.com/2011/06/19/amy-winehouse-falls-over-forget-words-and- mumbles-her-first-performance-out-of-rehab-video-30097/ Shame.... On Jul 24, 2011, at 12:55 AM, Mike Dickson wrote: On 23/07/2011 21:17, Ms. Janet Strauss wrote: Yep. She had a gift, and a look. I have to confess that I didn't 'get' it about her at all. She could sing on key without a doubt, but her voice was so mannered and affected that I couldn't make out a single word she was singing, and that was even when she was relatively clean. It's sad someone that young dies, but really it was all her own doing. My sympathies are somewhat restrained. Mike
RE: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-24 by Ms. Janet Strauss
Well Frank. She can sing. "Edge of Glory" and "Hair" on Howard Stern... is pretty darn good. I still thought "Monster Ball' was crap..bread and circus for the masses. But her and paino and her voice.pretty good.
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-----Original Message----- From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol.com Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 7:18 PM To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked Jim, Watch the video on you tube of Gaga on Howard Stern. I used to feel the same way. I may not "get" her but man can she sing and she is actually pretty down to earth. In a message dated 7/23/2011 6:48:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jandjstrz@verizon.net writes: She wasn't one of the greatest, and that genre doesn't fly with some..I don't get Billie Holiday. Or lady Gaga..but I'll listen to Amy Wino before I suffer Lady Gaga. Jim -----Original Message----- From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Jacques Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 11:23 AM To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked I agree... all these people are saying that she was one if "the greatest"... Sorry... She was good... but great? She always sounded high to me... slurring her words.. etc... Style? maybe so... But considering what has happened... Unfortunately, most will remember her for this performance: http://hiphopwired.com/2011/06/19/amy-winehouse-falls-over-forget-words-and- mumbles-her-first-performance-out-of-rehab-video-30097/ Shame.... On Jul 24, 2011, at 12:55 AM, Mike Dickson wrote: On 23/07/2011 21:17, Ms. Janet Strauss wrote: Yep. She had a gift, and a look. I have to confess that I didn't 'get' it about her at all. She could sing on key without a doubt, but her voice was so mannered and affected that I couldn't make out a single word she was singing, and that was even when she was relatively clean. It's sad someone that young dies, but really it was all her own doing. My sympathies are somewhat restrained. Mike
Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-24 by lsf5275@aol.com
She still lives in her 1100 sq.ft apartment in Brooklyn. She's banking the money and she knows the moment can't last forever. At least she's a real musician and she writes her songs. In a message dated 7/23/2011 8:34:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jandjstrz@verizon.net writes: Well Frank. She can sing. “Edge of Glory” and “Hair” on Howard Stern……. is pretty darn good. I still thought “Monster Ball’ was crap….bread and circus for the masses. But her and paino and her voice…pretty good. -----Original Message-----
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From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol.com Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 7:18 PM To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked Jim, Watch the video on you tube of Gaga on Howard Stern. I used to feel the same way. I may not "get" her but man can she sing and she is actually pretty down to earth. In a message dated 7/23/2011 6:48:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jandjstrz@verizon.net writes: She wasn’t one of the greatest, and that genre doesn’t fly with some….I don’t get Billie Holiday. Or lady Gaga….but I’ll listen to Amy Wino before I suffer Lady Gaga. Jim -----Original Message----- From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Jacques Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 11:23 AM To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked I agree... all these people are saying that she was one if "the greatest"... Sorry... She was good... but great? She always sounded high to me... slurring her words.. etc... Style? maybe so... But considering what has happened... Unfortunately, most will remember her for this performance: _http://hiphopwired.com/2011/06/19/amy-winehouse-falls-over-forget-words-and -mumbles-her-first-performance-out-of-rehab-video-30097/_ (http://hiphopwired.com/2011/06/19/amy-winehouse-falls-over-forget-words-and-mumbles-her-first -performance-out-of-rehab-video-30097/) Shame.... On Jul 24, 2011, at 12:55 AM, Mike Dickson wrote: On 23/07/2011 21:17, Ms. Janet Strauss wrote: Yep. She had a gift, and a look. I have to confess that I didn't 'get' it about her at all. She could sing on key without a doubt, but her voice was so mannered and affected that I couldn't make out a single word she was singing, and that was even when she was relatively clean. It's sad someone that young dies, but really it was all her own doing. My sympathies are somewhat restrained. Mike
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I saw "Missing Persons" in their
day.
Enjoyed them, and have liked Terry Bozio
since Zappa times.
Sad when people self
destruct.
Tony
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Well Frank. She can sing.
Edge of Glory and Hair on Howard Stern . is pretty darn good.
I still thought Monster Ball was crap .bread and circus for the masses.
But her and paino and her voice pretty good.
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Jim,
Watch the video on you tube of Gaga on Howard Stern. I used to feel the same way. I may not "get" her but man can she sing and she is actually pretty down to earth.
In a message dated 7/23/2011 6:48:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jandjstrz@verizon.net writes:
She wasnt one of the greatest, and that genre doesnt fly with some .I dont get Billie Holiday.
Or lady Gaga .but Ill listen to Amy Wino before I suffer Lady Gaga.
Jim
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I agree... all these people are saying that she was one if "the greatest"... Sorry... She was good... but great?
She always sounded high to me... slurring her words.. etc... Style? maybe so... But considering what has happened...
Unfortunately, most will remember her for this performance:
Shame....
On Jul 24, 2011, at 12:55 AM, Mike Dickson wrote:
On 23/07/2011 21:17, Ms. Janet Strauss wrote:
Yep. She had a gift, and a look.
I have to confess that I didn't 'get' it about her at all. She could sing on key without a doubt, but her voice was so mannered and affected that I couldn't make out a single word she was singing, and that was even when she was relatively clean.
It's sad someone that young dies, but really it was all her own doing. My sympathies are somewhat restrained.
Mike
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2011-07-24 by djacques@csulb.edu
Its so tragic. If you look at and compare pictures of her six years ago, and recently... Frightening.
You did not see Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin, or Jimi Hendrix deteriorate as dramatically as Amy (except for Jim gaining weight). Maybe that quick physical and musical deterioration, and subsequent death, will deter people from this kind of self abuse.
You did not see Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin, or Jimi Hendrix deteriorate as dramatically as Amy (except for Jim gaining weight). Maybe that quick physical and musical deterioration, and subsequent death, will deter people from this kind of self abuse.
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Everything was better the first time around…
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it better the first time around.
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On 23/07/2011 21:17, Ms. Janet Strauss wrote:
Yep. She had a gift, and a look.
I have to confess that I didn't 'get' it about her at all. She could sing on
key without a doubt, but her voice was so mannered and affected that I couldn't
make out a single word she was singing, and that was even when she was
relatively clean.
It's sad someone that young dies, but really it was all her own doing. My
sympathies are somewhat restrained.
Mike
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2011-07-24 by fdoddy@aol.com
I'm with Mike on this one. In general, I'm not feeling the whole neo-soul thing. I liked it better the first time around. fritz
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On 23/07/2011 21:17, Ms. Janet Strauss wrote:
Yep. She had a gift, and a look.
I have to confess that I didn't 'get' it about her at all. She could sing on key without a doubt, but her voice was so mannered and affected that I couldn't make out a single word she was singing, and that was even when she was relatively clean.
It's sad someone that young dies, but really it was all her own doing. My sympathies are somewhat restrained.
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Everything was better the first time around.
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-----Original Message----- From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of fdoddy@aol.com Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 1:00 PM To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked I'm with Mike on this one. In general, I'm not feeling the whole neo-soul thing. I liked it better the first time around. fritz -----Original Message----- From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com> To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sat, Jul 23, 2011 5:55 pm Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked On 23/07/2011 21:17, Ms. Janet Strauss wrote: Yep. She had a gift, and a look. I have to confess that I didn't 'get' it about her at all. She could sing on key without a doubt, but her voice was so mannered and affected that I couldn't make out a single word she was singing, and that was even when she was relatively clean. It's sad someone that young dies, but really it was all her own doing. My sympathies are somewhat restrained. Mike
Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-25 by Chris Dale
It's too bad when this happens to anyone.
I believe she was suffered from manic depression or bi-polar disorder.
I don't know for sure. All I know is that she obviously didn't get treatment for it, or at least not enough treatment.
I never got into her music. Her drug / alcohol abuse ruins her credibility for me. (Hendix had a strong record of enormous talent before he became a junkie).
I won't get into Lady Gaga either :) ahem...
In general, I see these 'arteests' or 'pop tarts' as more manufactured than other manufactured acts of the past. Lady Gaga is nothing but a poor mans' Madonna to me, and Madonna wasn't that interesting the first time around. These people seem like they'll say and do anything for money and publicity. Their integrity is bought and sold for the right price. Serious music is almost an afterthought.
So no thanks.
I'll stick with music made by musicians who indisputably make, write and perform their own music and don't need gaudy and tacky stage shows, secret songwriting teams, and alarmist political tactics and causes to draw attention to themselves.
That's why I like prog - not a Labatts or McDonalds ad or association in sight.
On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 11:33 AM, <djacques@csulb.edu> wrote:
Its so tragic. If you look at and compare pictures of her six years ago, and recently... Frightening.
You did not see Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin, or Jimi Hendrix deteriorate as dramatically as Amy (except for Jim gaining weight). Maybe that quick physical and musical deterioration, and subsequent death, will deter people from this kind of self abuse.
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Everything was better the first time around…
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I'm with Mike on this one. In general, I'm not feeling the whole neo-soul thing. I liked it better the first time around.
fritz
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On 23/07/2011 21:17, Ms. Janet Strauss wrote:
Yep. She had a gift, and a look.
I have to confess that I didn't 'get' it about her at all. She could sing on key without a doubt, but her voice was so mannered and affected that I couldn';t make out a single word she was singing, and that was even when she was relatively clean.
It's sad someone that young dies, but really it was all her own doing. My sympathies are somewhat restrained.
Mike
Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-25 by lsf5275@aol.com
Chris, So you're saying that if prog music and the bands associated with it were popular enough to attract corporate tour sponsorship it and they would lose credibility? By the way. Lady GaGa... stupid name, big talent. And, she is something Madonna never was, a musician. In a message dated 7/25/2011 7:44:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com writes: That's why I like prog - not a Labatts or McDonalds ad or association in sight.
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2011-07-25 by David Jacques
You guys are so funny...
Anyway, there is a difference between being "under the influence" and "incapacitated". Just look at her later performances and you will see someone who was unfit to perform.
I saw Janis several times and although drunk, she could still sing the shit out a song. Jimi could play rings around any guitar player... The only exception that I can think of is Jim Morrison who sometimes was so drunk that he could barely sing. I am sure there are others.
Amy could barely slur the words out (and off key at that). But I am sure that she could perform in the studio.
Although I was not a fan, I respect the people who are...
On Jul 26, 2011, at 12:59 AM, Mike Dickson wrote:
On 25/07/2011 12:44, Chris Dale wrote:
I never got into her music. Her drug / alcohol abuse ruins her credibility for me. (Hendix had a strong record of enormous talent before he became a junkie).
I find this incredible. I can guarantee that most of the music you know and love was made by people who were out of their flaming boxes when they dreamed it up. Absolutely off their kites. Stoned out of their gourds. baked. Roasted. Six kinds of Wednesday. Smashed. Toked. Why apply one set of rules to the people whose music you happen to like and not to others? Frankly I don't care one iota if someone is a junkie or not if I like their music. All three members of Cream were blasted out of their little red wagons when they wrote and made their music. Is it any good? Of course it is. If you don't like it then it's a matter of taste, but to say it's bad because they used drugs is little short of idiotic.
Notice - you said that 'her drug / alcohol abuse ruins her credibility for me'. I mean...where to start? None of (say) Amy Winehouse's music sounds like she was tottering about the studio in a state of intoxication; barely any marketable label (like...oh I dunno...Island) would tolerate that fiscal waste these days. So what you are actually saying is that because she used drugs her music is no good. If you meanrt something else then maybe you could articulate it a bit better, but that is what your words say.
I don't much care for drugs. I didn't much care for Amy Winehouse's music either. But this kind of
I'll stick with music made by musicians who indisputably make, write and perform their own music and don't need gaudy and tacky stage shows, secret songwriting teams, and alarmist political ;tactics and causes to draw attention to themselves.
I think you will find without any doubt that Winehouse, Madonna and Lady Gaga write/wrote and performed their own material. Certainly the latter two are two women very much in command of what they do.
Secret songwriting teams? Really? Like who? I think you'll find that most songwriters (or secret teams) are probably quite motivated not to be secret because being secret means less money. The days of Tin Pan Alley writers churning out song after song on the odd chance that one will hit paydirt are long behind us.
I don't know who you are referring to about 'alarmist political tactics', but it sounds weird. Bear in mind that one Elvis Presley was possibly the most alarming thing that the sheltered bits of the USA had ever seen at one point. Mostly because he reminded people how babies are made. That was something terrifying. And it sold records. And it was still terrifying enough to ban bits of him from the screens of the nation's TV sets. Deeply alarming. Well, maybe not. Perhaps that was a mantle better reserved for Little Richard. He must have seemed like a thermonuclear device.
And....gaudy and tacky stage shows? This from someone who like prog rock? This one hit me like a brick in the face! Can you possibly be serious???
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I can stop any time you like.That's why I like prog - not a Labatts or McDonalds ad or association in sight.
Given the above I'm not surprised. It wouldn't pay.-- Mike Dickson, Edinburgh
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2011-07-25 by Mike Dickson
On 25/07/2011 12:44, Chris Dale wrote:
I find this incredible. I can guarantee that most of the music you know and love was made by people who were out of their flaming boxes when they dreamed it up.\ufffd Absolutely off their kites.\ufffd Stoned out of their gourds.\ufffd baked.\ufffd Roasted.\ufffd Six kinds of Wednesday.\ufffd Smashed.\ufffd Toked.\ufffd Why apply one set of rules to the people whose music you happen to like and not to others?\ufffd Frankly I don't care one iota if someone is a junkie or not if I like their music.\ufffd All three members of Cream were blasted out of their little red wagons when they wrote and made their music.\ufffd Is it any good?\ufffd Of course it is.\ufffd If you don't like it then it's a matter of taste, but to say it's bad because they used drugs is little short of idiotic.
Notice - you said that 'her drug / alcohol abuse ruins her credibility for me'.\ufffd I mean...where to start?\ufffd None of (say) Amy Winehouse's music sounds like she was tottering about the studio in a state of intoxication; barely any marketable label (like...oh I dunno...Island) would tolerate that fiscal waste these days.\ufffd So what you are actually saying is that because she used drugs her music is no good.\ufffd If you meanrt something else then maybe you could articulate it a bit better, but that is what your words say.
I don't much care for drugs.\ufffd I didn't much care for Amy Winehouse's music either.\ufffd But this kind of
\ufffd
I think you will find without any doubt that Winehouse, Madonna and Lady Gaga write/wrote and performed their own material.\ufffd Certainly the latter two are two women very much in command of what they do.
Secret songwriting teams?\ufffd Really?\ufffd Like who? I think you'll find that most songwriters (or secret teams) are probably quite motivated not to be secret because being secret means less money.\ufffd The days of Tin Pan Alley writers churning out song after song on the odd chance that one will hit paydirt are long behind us.\ufffd
I don't know who you are referring to about 'alarmist political tactics', but it sounds weird.\ufffd Bear in mind that one Elvis Presley was possibly the most alarming thing that the sheltered bits of the USA had ever seen at one point.\ufffd Mostly because he reminded people how babies are made.\ufffd That was something terrifying.\ufffd And it sold records.\ufffd And it was still terrifying enough to ban bits of him from the screens of the nation's TV sets.\ufffd Deeply alarming.\ufffd Well, maybe not.\ufffd Perhaps that was a mantle better reserved for Little Richard.\ufffd He must have seemed like a thermonuclear device.
And....gaudy and tacky stage shows?\ufffd This from someone who like prog rock?\ufffd This one hit me like a brick in the face! Can you possibly be serious???
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I can stop any time you like.
Given the above I'm not surprised. It wouldn't pay.\ufffd
\ufffdI never got into her music. Her drug / alcohol abuse ruins her credibility for me. (Hendix had a strong record of enormous talent before he became a junkie).
I find this incredible. I can guarantee that most of the music you know and love was made by people who were out of their flaming boxes when they dreamed it up.\ufffd Absolutely off their kites.\ufffd Stoned out of their gourds.\ufffd baked.\ufffd Roasted.\ufffd Six kinds of Wednesday.\ufffd Smashed.\ufffd Toked.\ufffd Why apply one set of rules to the people whose music you happen to like and not to others?\ufffd Frankly I don't care one iota if someone is a junkie or not if I like their music.\ufffd All three members of Cream were blasted out of their little red wagons when they wrote and made their music.\ufffd Is it any good?\ufffd Of course it is.\ufffd If you don't like it then it's a matter of taste, but to say it's bad because they used drugs is little short of idiotic.
Notice - you said that 'her drug / alcohol abuse ruins her credibility for me'.\ufffd I mean...where to start?\ufffd None of (say) Amy Winehouse's music sounds like she was tottering about the studio in a state of intoxication; barely any marketable label (like...oh I dunno...Island) would tolerate that fiscal waste these days.\ufffd So what you are actually saying is that because she used drugs her music is no good.\ufffd If you meanrt something else then maybe you could articulate it a bit better, but that is what your words say.
I don't much care for drugs.\ufffd I didn't much care for Amy Winehouse's music either.\ufffd But this kind of
\ufffd
I'll stick with music made by musicians who indisputably make, write and perform\ufffdtheir own music and don't need gaudy and tacky stage shows, secret songwriting teams, \ufffdand alarmist political\ufffdtactics and causes\ufffdto draw attention to themselves.
I think you will find without any doubt that Winehouse, Madonna and Lady Gaga write/wrote and performed their own material.\ufffd Certainly the latter two are two women very much in command of what they do.
Secret songwriting teams?\ufffd Really?\ufffd Like who? I think you'll find that most songwriters (or secret teams) are probably quite motivated not to be secret because being secret means less money.\ufffd The days of Tin Pan Alley writers churning out song after song on the odd chance that one will hit paydirt are long behind us.\ufffd
I don't know who you are referring to about 'alarmist political tactics', but it sounds weird.\ufffd Bear in mind that one Elvis Presley was possibly the most alarming thing that the sheltered bits of the USA had ever seen at one point.\ufffd Mostly because he reminded people how babies are made.\ufffd That was something terrifying.\ufffd And it sold records.\ufffd And it was still terrifying enough to ban bits of him from the screens of the nation's TV sets.\ufffd Deeply alarming.\ufffd Well, maybe not.\ufffd Perhaps that was a mantle better reserved for Little Richard.\ufffd He must have seemed like a thermonuclear device.
And....gaudy and tacky stage shows?\ufffd This from someone who like prog rock?\ufffd This one hit me like a brick in the face! Can you possibly be serious???
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\ufffdThat's why I like prog - not a Labatts or McDonalds\ufffdad\ufffd or association in sight.
Given the above I'm not surprised. It wouldn't pay.\ufffd
-- Mike Dickson, Edinburgh
Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-25 by Mike Dickson
I don't much care for drugs.\ufffd I didn't much care for Amy Winehouse's music either.\ufffd But this kind of
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-25 by lsf5275@aol.com
Captain & Tenile anyone? In a message dated 7/25/2011 5:59:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mike.dickson@gmail.com writes: On 25/07/2011 12:44, Chris Dale wrote: I never got into her music. Her drug / alcohol abuse ruins her credibility for me. (Hendix had a strong record of enormous talent before he became a junkie). I find this incredible. I can guarantee that most of the music you know and love was made by people who were out of their flaming boxes when they dreamed it up. Absolutely off their kites. Stoned out of their gourds. baked. Roasted. Six kinds of Wednesday. Smashed. Toked. Why apply one set of rules to the people whose music you happen to like and not to others? Frankly I don't care one iota if someone is a junkie or not if I like their music. All three members of Cream were blasted out of their little red wagons when they wrote and made their music. Is it any good? Of course it is. If you don't like it then it's a matter of taste, but to say it's bad because they used drugs is little short of idiotic. Notice - you said that 'her drug / alcohol abuse ruins her credibility for me'. I mean...where to start? None of (say) Amy Winehouse's music sounds like she was tottering about the studio in a state of intoxication; barely any marketable label (like...oh I dunno...Island) would tolerate that fiscal waste these days. So what you are actually saying is that because she used drugs her music is no good. If you meanrt something else then maybe you could articulate it a bit better, but that is what your words say. I don't much care for drugs. I didn't much care for Amy Winehouse's music either. But this kind of I'll stick with music made by musicians who indisputably make, write and perform their own music and don't need gaudy and tacky stage shows, secret songwriting teams, and alarmist political tactics and causes to draw attention to themselves. I think you will find without any doubt that Winehouse, Madonna and Lady Gaga write/wrote and performed their own material. Certainly the latter two are two women very much in command of what they do. Secret songwriting teams? Really? Like who? I think you'll find that most songwriters (or secret teams) are probably quite motivated not to be secret because being secret means less money. The days of Tin Pan Alley writers churning out song after song on the odd chance that one will hit paydirt are long behind us. I don't know who you are referring to about 'alarmist political tactics', but it sounds weird. Bear in mind that one Elvis Presley was possibly the most alarming thing that the sheltered bits of the USA had ever seen at one point. Mostly because he reminded people how babies are made. That was something terrifying. And it sold records. And it was still terrifying enough to ban bits of him from the screens of the nation's TV sets. Deeply alarming. Well, maybe not. Perhaps that was a mantle better reserved for Little Richard. He must have seemed like a thermonuclear device. And....gaudy and tacky stage shows? This from someone who like prog rock? This one hit me like a brick in the face! Can you possibly be serious??? EXHIBIT 1: _http://cdn.crooksandliars.com/files/uploads/2010/04/genesis_petergabriel_live_2954b.jpg_ (http://cdn.crooksandliars.com/files/uploads/2010/04/genesis_petergabriel_live_2954b.jpg) EXHIBIT 2: _http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Millennium/General/1999/02/25/codpiece.jpg_ (http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Millennium/General/1999/02/25/codpiece.jpg) EXHIBIT 3: _http://farm1.static.flickr.com/94/240935102_c05b4e74ac.jpg_ (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/94/240935102_c05b4e74ac.jpg) EXHIBIT 4: _ht tp://www.keyboardmag.com/uploadedimages/keyboardmag/articles/emerson_opener_web.jpg_ (http://www.keyboardmag.com/uploadedimages/keyboardmag/articles/emerson_opener_web.jpg) EXHIBIT 5: _http://yesmuseum.org/images/RickOnIce.JPG_ (http://yesmuseum.org/images/RickOnIce.JPG) I can stop any time you like. That's why I like prog - not a Labatts or McDonalds ad or association in sight. Given the above I'm not surprised. It wouldn't pay. -- Mike Dickson, Edinburgh
RE: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-25 by Ms. Janet Strauss
"There is such a fine line between stupid and clever." David St.Hubbins http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/01/03/gal_dwarves.jpg
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-----Original Message----- From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Dickson Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 5:59 PM To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked On 25/07/2011 12:44, Chris Dale wrote: I never got into her music. Her drug / alcohol abuse ruins her credibility for me. (Hendix had a strong record of enormous talent before he became a junkie). I find this incredible. I can guarantee that most of the music you know and love was made by people who were out of their flaming boxes when they dreamed it up. Absolutely off their kites. Stoned out of their gourds. baked. Roasted. Six kinds of Wednesday. Smashed. Toked. Why apply one set of rules to the people whose music you happen to like and not to others? Frankly I don't care one iota if someone is a junkie or not if I like their music. All three members of Cream were blasted out of their little red wagons when they wrote and made their music. Is it any good? Of course it is. If you don't like it then it's a matter of taste, but to say it's bad because they used drugs is little short of idiotic. Notice - you said that 'her drug / alcohol abuse ruins her credibility for me'. I mean...where to start? None of (say) Amy Winehouse's music sounds like she was tottering about the studio in a state of intoxication; barely any marketable label (like...oh I dunno...Island) would tolerate that fiscal waste these days. So what you are actually saying is that because she used drugs her music is no good. If you meanrt something else then maybe you could articulate it a bit better, but that is what your words say. I don't much care for drugs. I didn't much care for Amy Winehouse's music either. But this kind of I'll stick with music made by musicians who indisputably make, write and perform their own music and don't need gaudy and tacky stage shows, secret songwriting teams, and alarmist political tactics and causes to draw attention to themselves. I think you will find without any doubt that Winehouse, Madonna and Lady Gaga write/wrote and performed their own material. Certainly the latter two are two women very much in command of what they do. Secret songwriting teams? Really? Like who? I think you'll find that most songwriters (or secret teams) are probably quite motivated not to be secret because being secret means less money. The days of Tin Pan Alley writers churning out song after song on the odd chance that one will hit paydirt are long behind us. I don't know who you are referring to about 'alarmist political tactics', but it sounds weird. Bear in mind that one Elvis Presley was possibly the most alarming thing that the sheltered bits of the USA had ever seen at one point. Mostly because he reminded people how babies are made. That was something terrifying. And it sold records. And it was still terrifying enough to ban bits of him from the screens of the nation's TV sets. Deeply alarming. Well, maybe not. Perhaps that was a mantle better reserved for Little Richard. He must have seemed like a thermonuclear device. And....gaudy and tacky stage shows? This from someone who like prog rock? This one hit me like a brick in the face! Can you possibly be serious??? EXHIBIT 1: http://cdn.crooksandliars.com/files/uploads/2010/04/genesis_petergabriel_liv e_2954b.jpg EXHIBIT 2: http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Millennium/General/1999/02/2 5/codpiece.jpg EXHIBIT 3: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/94/240935102_c05b4e74ac.jpg EXHIBIT 4: http://www.keyboardmag.com/uploadedimages/keyboardmag/articles/emerson_opene r_web.jpg EXHIBIT 5: http://yesmuseum.org/images/RickOnIce.JPG I can stop any time you like. That's why I like prog - not a Labatts or McDonalds ad or association in sight. Given the above I'm not surprised. It wouldn't pay. -- Mike Dickson, Edinburgh
Re: So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-25 by ClayE
Exhibit #6 - You must find a photo from Journey To The Center of The Earth tour. Make it exhibit #1 for gaudy and tacky.
Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-25 by tronbros
Whatever your opinion is of Ms. Whitehouse, she wrote Love is a Loser's Game and that is a beautiful composition. It may even be her Yesterday. There are some well rounded compositions from Amy's pen in a very short career. She could well have become a songwriter's songwriter. Regarding drugs, even dear sweet Justin Haystack was stoned through most of the Moodies recording sessions....apparently. M mellotronics.co.uk
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On 25 Jul 2011, at 22:59, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com> wrote: > On 25/07/2011 12:44, Chris Dale wrote: > >> >> I never got into her music. Her drug / alcohol abuse ruins her credibility for me. (Hendix had a strong record of enormous talent before he became a junkie). > > I find this incredible. I can guarantee that most of the music you know and love was made by people who were out of their flaming boxes when they dreamed it up. Absolutely off their kites. Stoned out of their gourds. baked. Roasted. Six kinds of Wednesday. Smashed. Toked. Why apply one set of rules to the people whose music you happen to like and not to others? Frankly I don't care one iota if someone is a junkie or not if I like their music. All three members of Cream were blasted out of their little red wagons when they wrote and made their music. Is it any good? Of course it is. If you don't like it then it's a matter of taste, but to say it's bad because they used drugs is little short of idiotic. > > Notice - you said that 'her drug / alcohol abuse ruins her credibility for me'. I mean...where to start? None of (say) Amy Winehouse's music sounds like she was tottering about the studio in a state of intoxication; barely any marketable label (like...oh I dunno...Island) would tolerate that fiscal waste these days. So what you are actually saying is that because she used drugs her music is no good. If you meanrt something else then maybe you could articulate it a bit better, but that is what your words say. > > I don't much care for drugs. I didn't much care for Amy Winehouse's music either. But this kind of > >> I'll stick with music made by musicians who indisputably make, write and perform their own music and don't need gaudy and tacky stage shows, secret songwriting teams, and alarmist political tactics and causes to draw attention to themselves. > > I think you will find without any doubt that Winehouse, Madonna and Lady Gaga write/wrote and performed their own material. Certainly the latter two are two women very much in command of what they do. > > Secret songwriting teams? Really? Like who? I think you'll find that most songwriters (or secret teams) are probably quite motivated not to be secret because being secret means less money. The days of Tin Pan Alley writers churning out song after song on the odd chance that one will hit paydirt are long behind us. > > I don't know who you are referring to about 'alarmist political tactics', but it sounds weird. Bear in mind that one Elvis Presley was possibly the most alarming thing that the sheltered bits of the USA had ever seen at one point. Mostly because he reminded people how babies are made. That was something terrifying. And it sold records. And it was still terrifying enough to ban bits of him from the screens of the nation's TV sets. Deeply alarming. Well, maybe not. Perhaps that was a mantle better reserved for Little Richard. He must have seemed like a thermonuclear device. > > And....gaudy and tacky stage shows? This from someone who like prog rock? This one hit me like a brick in the face! Can you possibly be serious??? > > EXHIBIT 1: http://cdn.crooksandliars.com/files/uploads/2010/04/genesis_petergabriel_live_2954b.jpg > EXHIBIT 2: http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Millennium/General/1999/02/25/codpiece.jpg > EXHIBIT 3: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/94/240935102_c05b4e74ac.jpg > EXHIBIT 4: http://www.keyboardmag.com/uploadedimages/keyboardmag/articles/emerson_opener_web.jpg > EXHIBIT 5: http://yesmuseum.org/images/RickOnIce.JPG > > I can stop any time you like. > >> That's why I like prog - not a Labatts or McDonalds ad or association in sight. > > Given the above I'm not surprised. It wouldn't pay. > > -- > Mike Dickson, Edinburgh > > >
Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-25 by lsf5275@aol.com
When did he die? In a message dated 7/25/2011 7:19:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tronbros@aol.com writes: Whatever your opinion is of Ms. Whitehouse, she wrote Love is a Loser's Game and that is a beautiful composition. It may even be her Yesterday. There are some well rounded compositions from Amy's pen in a very short career. She could well have become a songwriter's songwriter. Regarding drugs, even dear sweet Justin Haystack was stoned through most of the Moodies recording sessions....apparently. M _mellotronics.co.uk_ (http://mellotronics.co.uk/) On 25 Jul 2011, at 22:59, Mike Dickson <_mike.dickson@gmail.com_ (mailto:mike.dickson@gmail.com) > wrote: On 25/07/2011 12:44, Chris Dale wrote: I never got into her music. Her drug / alcohol abuse ruins her credibility for me. (Hendix had a strong record of enormous talent before he became a junkie). I find this incredible. I can guarantee that most of the music you know and love was made by people who were out of their flaming boxes when they dreamed it up. Absolutely off their kites. Stoned out of their gourds. baked. Roasted. Six kinds of Wednesday. Smashed. Toked. Why apply one set of rules to the people whose music you happen to like and not to others? Frankly I don't care one iota if someone is a junkie or not if I like their music. All three members of Cream were blasted out of their little red wagons when they wrote and made their music. Is it any good? Of course it is. If you don't like it then it's a matter of taste, but to say it's bad because they used drugs is little short of idiotic. Notice - you said that 'her drug / alcohol abuse ruins her credibility for me'. I mean...where to start? None of (say) Amy Winehouse's music sounds like she was tottering about the studio in a state of intoxication; barely any marketable label (like...oh I dunno...Island) would tolerate that fiscal waste these days. So what you are actually saying is that because she used drugs her music is no good. If you meanrt something else then maybe you could articulate it a bit better, but that is what your words say. I don't much care for drugs. I didn't much care for Amy Winehouse's music either. But this kind of I'll stick with music made by musicians who indisputably make, write and perform their own music and don't need gaudy and tacky stage shows, secret songwriting teams, and alarmist political tactics and causes to draw attention to themselves. I think you will find without any doubt that Winehouse, Madonna and Lady Gaga write/wrote and performed their own material. Certainly the latter two are two women very much in command of what they do. Secret songwriting teams? Really? Like who? I think you'll find that most songwriters (or secret teams) are probably quite motivated not to be secret because being secret means less money. The days of Tin Pan Alley writers churning out song after song on the odd chance that one will hit paydirt are long behind us. I don't know who you are referring to about 'alarmist political tactics', but it sounds weird. Bear in mind that one Elvis Presley was possibly the most alarming thing that the sheltered bits of the USA had ever seen at one point. Mostly because he reminded people how babies are made. That was something terrifying. And it sold records. And it was still terrifying enough to ban bits of him from the screens of the nation's TV sets. Deeply alarming. Well, maybe not. Perhaps that was a mantle better reserved for Little Richard. He must have seemed like a thermonuclear device. And....gaudy and tacky stage shows? This from someone who like prog rock? This one hit me like a brick in the face! Can you possibly be serious??? EXHIBIT 1: _http://cdn.crooksandliars.com/files/uploads/2010/04/genesis_petergabriel_live_2954b.jpg_ (http://cdn.crooksandliars.com/files/uploads/2010/04/genesis_petergabriel_live_2954b.jpg) EXHIBIT 2: _http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Millennium/General/1999/02/25/codpiece.jpg_ (http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Millennium/General/1999/02/25/codpiece.jpg) EXHIBIT 3: _http://farm1.static.flickr.com/94/240935102_c05b4e74ac.jpg_ (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/94/240935102_c05b4e74ac.jpg) EXHIBIT 4: _http://www.keyboardmag.com/uploadedimages/keyboardmag/articles/emerson_opener_web.jpg_ (http://www.keyboardmag.com/uploadedimages/keyboardmag/articles/emerson_opener_web.jpg) EXHIBIT 5: _http://yesmuseum.org/images/RickOnIce.JPG_ (http://yesmuseum.org/images/RickOnIce.JPG) I can stop any time you like. That's why I like prog - not a Labatts or McDonalds ad or association in sight. Given the above I'm not surprised. It wouldn't pay. -- Mike Dickson, Edinburgh
Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-25 by lsf5275@aol.com
Being stoned is one thing. Volunteering to throw your life away is something else. I don't think Amy tried to do that. But for many people, once you climb down into that pit, the gravity of life keeps you there. I've known many people who lost their minds or their lives to drugs. In a message dated 7/25/2011 7:19:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tronbros@aol.com writes: Whatever your opinion is of Ms. Whitehouse, she wrote Love is a Loser's Game and that is a beautiful composition. It may even be her Yesterday. There are some well rounded compositions from Amy's pen in a very short career. She could well have become a songwriter's songwriter. Regarding drugs, even dear sweet Justin Haystack was stoned through most of the Moodies recording sessions....apparently. M _mellotronics.co.uk_ (http://mellotronics.co.uk/) On 25 Jul 2011, at 22:59, Mike Dickson <_mike.dickson@gmail.com_ (mailto:mike.dickson@gmail.com) > wrote: On 25/07/2011 12:44, Chris Dale wrote: I never got into her music. Her drug / alcohol abuse ruins her credibility for me. (Hendix had a strong record of enormous talent before he became a junkie). I find this incredible. I can guarantee that most of the music you know and love was made by people who were out of their flaming boxes when they dreamed it up. Absolutely off their kites. Stoned out of their gourds. baked. Roasted. Six kinds of Wednesday. Smashed. Toked. Why apply one set of rules to the people whose music you happen to like and not to others? Frankly I don't care one iota if someone is a junkie or not if I like their music. All three members of Cream were blasted out of their little red wagons when they wrote and made their music. Is it any good? Of course it is. If you don't like it then it's a matter of taste, but to say it's bad because they used drugs is little short of idiotic. Notice - you said that 'her drug / alcohol abuse ruins her credibility for me'. I mean...where to start? None of (say) Amy Winehouse's music sounds like she was tottering about the studio in a state of intoxication; barely any marketable label (like...oh I dunno...Island) would tolerate that fiscal waste these days. So what you are actually saying is that because she used drugs her music is no good. If you meanrt something else then maybe you could articulate it a bit better, but that is what your words say. I don't much care for drugs. I didn't much care for Amy Winehouse's music either. But this kind of I'll stick with music made by musicians who indisputably make, write and perform their own music and don't need gaudy and tacky stage shows, secret songwriting teams, and alarmist political tactics and causes to draw attention to themselves. I think you will find without any doubt that Winehouse, Madonna and Lady Gaga write/wrote and performed their own material. Certainly the latter two are two women very much in command of what they do. Secret songwriting teams? Really? Like who? I think you'll find that most songwriters (or secret teams) are probably quite motivated not to be secret because being secret means less money. The days of Tin Pan Alley writers churning out song after song on the odd chance that one will hit paydirt are long behind us. I don't know who you are referring to about 'alarmist political tactics', but it sounds weird. Bear in mind that one Elvis Presley was possibly the most alarming thing that the sheltered bits of the USA had ever seen at one point. Mostly because he reminded people how babies are made. That was something terrifying. And it sold records. And it was still terrifying enough to ban bits of him from the screens of the nation's TV sets. Deeply alarming. Well, maybe not. Perhaps that was a mantle better reserved for Little Richard. He must have seemed like a thermonuclear device. And....gaudy and tacky stage shows? This from someone who like prog rock? This one hit me like a brick in the face! Can you possibly be serious??? EXHIBIT 1: _http://cdn.crooksandliars.com/files/uploads/2010/04/genesis_petergabriel_live_2954b.jpg_ (http://cdn.crooksandliars.com/files/uploads/2010/04/genesis_petergabriel_live_2954b.jpg) EXHIBIT 2: _http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Millennium/General/1999/02/25/codpiece.jpg_ (http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Millennium/General/1999/02/25/codpiece.jpg) EXHIBIT 3: _http://farm1.static.flickr.com/94/240935102_c05b4e74ac.jpg_ (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/94/240935102_c05b4e74ac.jpg) EXHIBIT 4: _http://www.keyboardmag.com/uploadedimages/keyboardmag/articles/emerson_opener_web.jpg_ (http://www.keyboardmag.com/uploadedimages/keyboardmag/articles/emerson_opener_web.jpg) EXHIBIT 5: _http://yesmuseum.org/images/RickOnIce.JPG_ (http://yesmuseum.org/images/RickOnIce.JPG) I can stop any time you like. That's why I like prog - not a Labatts or McDonalds ad or association in sight. Given the above I'm not surprised. It wouldn't pay. -- Mike Dickson, Edinburgh
RE: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-26 by Gary Brumm
Precisely....well put Mike....I agree...but you have a much better way with words than I :) !
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From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Dickson Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 2:59 PM To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked On 25/07/2011 12:44, Chris Dale wrote: I never got into her music. Her drug / alcohol abuse ruins her credibility for me. (Hendix had a strong record of enormous talent before he became a junkie). I find this incredible. I can guarantee that most of the music you know and love was made by people who were out of their flaming boxes when they dreamed it up. Absolutely off their kites. Stoned out of their gourds. baked. Roasted. Six kinds of Wednesday. Smashed. Toked. Why apply one set of rules to the people whose music you happen to like and not to others? Frankly I don't care one iota if someone is a junkie or not if I like their music. All three members of Cream were blasted out of their little red wagons when they wrote and made their music. Is it any good? Of course it is. If you don't like it then it's a matter of taste, but to say it's bad because they used drugs is little short of idiotic. Notice - you said that 'her drug / alcohol abuse ruins her credibility for me'. I mean...where to start? None of (say) Amy Winehouse's music sounds like she was tottering about the studio in a state of intoxication; barely any marketable label (like...oh I dunno...Island) would tolerate that fiscal waste these days. So what you are actually saying is that because she used drugs her music is no good. If you meanrt something else then maybe you could articulate it a bit better, but that is what your words say. I don't much care for drugs. I didn't much care for Amy Winehouse's music either. But this kind of I'll stick with music made by musicians who indisputably make, write and perform their own music and don't need gaudy and tacky stage shows, secret songwriting teams, and alarmist political tactics and causes to draw attention to themselves. I think you will find without any doubt that Winehouse, Madonna and Lady Gaga write/wrote and performed their own material. Certainly the latter two are two women very much in command of what they do. Secret songwriting teams? Really? Like who? I think you'll find that most songwriters (or secret teams) are probably quite motivated not to be secret because being secret means less money. The days of Tin Pan Alley writers churning out song after song on the odd chance that one will hit paydirt are long behind us. I don't know who you are referring to about 'alarmist political tactics', but it sounds weird. Bear in mind that one Elvis Presley was possibly the most alarming thing that the sheltered bits of the USA had ever seen at one point. Mostly because he reminded people how babies are made. That was something terrifying. And it sold records. And it was still terrifying enough to ban bits of him from the screens of the nation's TV sets. Deeply alarming. Well, maybe not. Perhaps that was a mantle better reserved for Little Richard. He must have seemed like a thermonuclear device. And....gaudy and tacky stage shows? This from someone who like prog rock? This one hit me like a brick in the face! Can you possibly be serious??? EXHIBIT 1: http://cdn.crooksandliars.com/files/uploads/2010/04/genesis_petergabriel_live_2954b.jpg EXHIBIT 2: http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Millennium/General/1999/02/25/codpiece.jpg EXHIBIT 3: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/94/240935102_c05b4e74ac.jpg EXHIBIT 4: http://www.keyboardmag.com/uploadedimages/keyboardmag/articles/emerson_opener_web.jpg EXHIBIT 5: http://yesmuseum.org/images/RickOnIce.JPG I can stop any time you like. That's why I like prog - not a Labatts or McDonalds ad or association in sight. Given the above I'm not surprised. It wouldn't pay. -- Mike Dickson, Edinburgh
Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-26 by fdoddy@aol.com
Frank, you're a funny motherf%$ker! fritz
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When did he die?
In a message dated 7/25/2011 7:19:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tronbros@aol.com writes:
Whatever your opinion is of Ms. Whitehouse, she wrote Love is a Loser's Game and that is a beautiful composition. It may even be her Yesterday. There are some well rounded compositions from Amy's pen in a very short career. She could well have become a songwriter's songwriter. Regarding drugs, even dear sweet Justin Haystack was stoned through most of the Moodies recording sessions....apparently.
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On 25 Jul 2011, at 22:59, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com> wrote:
On 25/07/2011 12:44, Chris Dale wrote:
I never got into her music. Her drug / alcohol abuse ruins her credibility for me. (Hendix had a strong record of enormous talent before he became a junkie).
I find this incredible. I can guarantee that most of the music you know and love was made by people who were out of their flaming boxes when they dreamed it up. Absolutely off their kites. Stoned out of their gourds. baked. Roasted. Six kinds of Wednesday. Smashed. Toked. Why apply one set of rules to the people whose music you happen to like and not to others? Frankly I don't care one iota if someone is a junkie or not if I like their music. All three members of Cream were blasted out of their little red wagons when they wrote and made their music. Is it any good? Of course it is. If you don't like it then it's a matter of taste, but to say it's bad because they used drugs is little short of idiotic.
Notice - you said that 'her drug / alcohol abuse ruins her credibility for me'. I mean...where to start? None of (say) Amy Winehouse's music sounds like she was tottering about the studio in a state of intoxication; barely any marketable label (like...oh I dunno...Island) would tolerate that fiscal waste these days. So what you are actually saying is that because she used drugs her music is no good. If you meanrt something else then maybe you could articulate it a bit better, but that is what your words say.
I don't much care for drugs. I didn't much care for Amy Winehouse's music either. But this kind of
I'll stick with music made by musicians who indisputably make, write and perform their own music and don't need gaudy and tacky stage shows, secret songwriting teams, and alarmist political tactics and causes to draw attention to themselves.
I think you will find without any doubt that Winehouse, Madonna and Lady Gaga write/wrote and performed their own material. Certainly the latter two are two women very much in command of what they do.
Secret songwriting teams? Really? Like who? I think you'll find that most songwriters (or secret teams) are probably quite motivated not to be secret because being secret means less money. The days of Tin Pan Alley writers churning out song after song on the odd chance that one will hit paydirt are long behind us.
I don't know who you are referring to about 'alarmist political tactics', but it sounds weird. Bear in mind that one Elvis Presley was possibly the most alarming thing that the sheltered bits of the USA had ever seen at one point. Mostly because he reminded people how babies are made. That was something terrifying. And it sold records. And it was still terrifying enough to ban bits of him from the screens of the nation's TV sets. Deeply alarming. Well, maybe not. Perhaps that was a mantle better reserved for Little Richard. He must have seemed like a thermonuclear device.
And....gaudy and tacky stage shows? This from someone who like prog rock? This one hit me like a brick in the face! Can you possibly be serious???
EXHIBIT 1: http://cdn.crooksandliars.com/files/uploads/2010/04/genesis_petergabriel_live_2954b.jpg
EXHIBIT 2: http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Millennium/General/1999/02/25/codpiece.jpg
EXHIBIT 3: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/94/240935102_c05b4e74ac.jpg
EXHIBIT 4: http://www.keyboardmag.com/uploadedimages/keyboardmag/articles/emerson_opener_web.jpg
EXHIBIT 5: http://yesmuseum.org/images/RickOnIce.JPG
I can stop any time you like.
That's why I like prog - not a Labatts or McDonalds ad or association in sight.
Given the above I'm not surprised. It wouldn't pay.
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2011-07-26 by Mike Dickson
Die?� Hayward got it worse than that.� He became irrelevant.
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When did he die?�In a message dated 7/25/2011 7:19:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tronbros@aol.com writes:�
Whatever your opinion is of Ms. Whitehouse, she wrote Love is a Loser's Game and that is a beautiful composition. �It may even be her Yesterday. There are some well rounded compositions from Amy's pen in a very short career. �She could well have become a songwriter's songwriter. �Regarding drugs, even dear sweet Justin Haystack was stoned through most of the Moodies recording sessions....apparently.
Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-26 by lsf5275@aol.com
No, he became irrelevant to you. I would say that if relevancy is being known for your body of work, then he is more relevant than you or I. I would bet that on any given day, Justin Hayward could fill up a theater of a respectable size with people for whom he is still quite relevant. If you are measuring relevancy by whether he continues to write and record music that would be considered popular by the majority of the music buying public then you have a point. By that measurement, most pop stars become irrelevant; some more quickly than others. It would be interesting to see how your body of work stacks up against his on the relevancy scale. No offense intended but come on. Most of us could only dream of the career that he has had. He has written songs that are pop standards and are still recognized today. It's fun to bust on the Moodies (I guess) but be fair. What pop star from the 60s/70s/80s is still relevant? In a message dated 7/26/2011 1:37:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mike.dickson@gmail.com writes: Die? Hayward got it worse than that. He became irrelevant. On 26/07/2011 00:26, _lsf5275@aol.com_ (mailto:lsf5275@aol.com) wrote: When did he die? In a message dated 7/25/2011 7:19:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _tronbros@aol.com_ (mailto:tronbros@aol.com) writes: Whatever your opinion is of Ms. Whitehouse, she wrote Love is a Loser's Game and that is a beautiful composition. It may even be her Yesterday. There are some well rounded compositions from Amy's pen in a very short career. She could well have become a songwriter's songwriter. Regarding drugs, even dear sweet Justin Haystack was stoned through most of the Moodies recording sessions....apparently.
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2011-07-26 by Andy Thompson
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From: "ClayE" <ecclesreinson@rogers.com> To: <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 11:58 PM Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So - The train wreck finally wrecked > Exhibit #6 - You must find a photo from Journey To The Center of The Earth > tour. Make it exhibit #1 for gaudy and tacky. > > Or Emerson's flying piano. This should do: Exhibit #7: http://mitkadem.homestead.com/files/elp/ELP_emerson_flyingpiano74.jpg Andy T.
Chamberlin M1 on ebay again
2011-07-26 by Thomas C. Doncourt
Yesterday i saw an M1 on ebay for $14,999! It had a pitch control modification directly under the center of the keyboard. Today it is no longer available! hmmm
Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-26 by Norman Fay
> Bear in mind that one Elvis Presley was possibly the most alarming thing that the sheltered bits of the USA had ever seen at one point. Mostly because he reminded people how babies are made. This reads like the kind of baby-boomer hyperbole that I used to read in "mojo" back when I bought it, or in NME in the 1980's. That popular culture, pre rock & roll was sexless. People used to watch films starring people like Jean Harlow, Mae West and Barbara Stanwyck years before Elvis signed to Sun. People, even people from sheltered bits of the USA - used to watch fare such as this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akET7aP01_8&feature=player_detailpage#t=270s ..before Presley was even born. I doubt that such people needed any reminding of how babies are made. It is useful to cite it as received wisdom if you are a proponent of the classic view of rock & roll I suppose, but that doesn't mean that it is right. > > EXHIBIT 1: http://cdn.crooksandliars.com/files/uploads/2010/04/genesis_petergabriel_live_2954b.jpg > EXHIBIT 2: http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Millennium/General/1999/02/25/codpiece.jpg > EXHIBIT 3: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/94/240935102_c05b4e74ac.jpg > EXHIBIT 4: http://www.keyboardmag.com/uploadedimages/keyboardmag/articles/emerson_opener_web.jpg > EXHIBIT 5: http://yesmuseum.org/images/RickOnIce.JPG > EXHIBIT 6: http://cdn.babble.com/famecrawler/files/2011/02/groundhog_day.jpg > > I can stop any time you like. One might reply that it is better to be OTT and stupid-looking, even if you do wind up looking like an idiot, than to get up onstage in plaid and scuffed trainers or the like, like just about everybody else does. I mean, personally, Todd Rundgren posturing in his pink hair with ankh-spaped electric guitar is more likely to keep my attention that Liam Gallagher in a hoody, squatting onstage like he's about to take a dump. It's more interesting to look at. this is a false dichtomony, black & white, yadda-yadda. If ELP's mighty stainless steel drumkit and persian rug, or Yes' fibreglass mushrooms is OH NO BURN IT W/FIRE WAGE KULTURKAMPF UPON IT then what is actually OK for a band to adopt as a look I wonder.
Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-26 by Mike Dickson
On 26/07/2011 07:00, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:
That is entirely my point.
Mike
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�By that measurement, most pop stars become irrelevant; some more quickly than others.
That is entirely my point.
Mike
Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-26 by lsf5275@aol.com
No, your point was about Justin Hayward. He was just part of his generation. Much of his music is/was timeless and will be relevant long after we are gone. People will rediscover Tuesday Afternoon,and Nights in White Satin over and over again. His relevance might be to a narrower audience, but no musician is relevant unless someone thinks they are... ever. All it takes is one. More is better, though. In a message dated 7/26/2011 3:44:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mike.dickson@gmail.com writes: On 26/07/2011 07:00, _lsf5275@aol.com_ (mailto:lsf5275@aol.com) wrote: By that measurement, most pop stars become irrelevant; some more quickly than others. That is entirely my point. Mike
Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-26 by Mike Dickson
On 26/07/2011 21:17, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:
Actually my point wasn't specifically about him at all.� Someone else brought him up.
That's just simply not true.� The difficult thing is that I think you know it.�� If something is an entity that 'people will rediscover' then it is an apparent truth that it has to be undiscovered first,and that process is well underway.� They may well be your personal favourites, but ask your average 20 or 25 or 30 year old what they know about The Moody Blues (to name your specific) and the overwhelming likely answer will be a blank stare back at you. No one know. No one remembers. Far fewer ever care. Music is an evanescent thing, so get used to it and enjoy what you have. At best they might name NiWS.� But that's all, and that is by an Herculean effort.
His audience is narrower is because his audience is dying slowly.� That is how stuff works.� And I have no issue with that at all.
Mike
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No, your point was about Justin Hayward. He was just part of his generation.
Actually my point wasn't specifically about him at all.� Someone else brought him up.
Much of his music is/was timeless and will be relevant long after we are gone. People will rediscover Tuesday Afternoon,and Nights in White Satin over and over again. His relevance might be to a narrower audience, but no musician is relevant unless someone thinks they are... ever. All it takes is one. More is better, though.
That's just simply not true.� The difficult thing is that I think you know it.�� If something is an entity that 'people will rediscover' then it is an apparent truth that it has to be undiscovered first,and that process is well underway.� They may well be your personal favourites, but ask your average 20 or 25 or 30 year old what they know about The Moody Blues (to name your specific) and the overwhelming likely answer will be a blank stare back at you. No one know. No one remembers. Far fewer ever care. Music is an evanescent thing, so get used to it and enjoy what you have. At best they might name NiWS.� But that's all, and that is by an Herculean effort.
His audience is narrower is because his audience is dying slowly.� That is how stuff works.� And I have no issue with that at all.
Mike
Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-26 by Mike Dickson
On 26/07/2011 19:37, Norman Fay wrote:
Is it not true?
> Bear in mind that one Elvis Presley was possibly the most alarming thing that the sheltered bits of the USA had ever seen at one point. Mostly because he reminded people how babies are made.
This reads like the kind of baby-boomer hyperbole that I used to read
in "mojo" back when I bought it
Is it not true?
Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-26 by Mike Dickson
On 26/07/2011 19:37, Norman Fay wrote:
Why?
Does that really keep your attention? For how long? Why?
Oh don't misunderstand me. I think most rock bands look idiotic on stage, largely because they think they have to, and that might be dictated by the audience.
One might reply that it is better to be OTT and stupid-looking, even
if you do wind up looking like an idiot, than to get up onstage in
plaid and scuffed trainers or the like, like just about everybody else
does.
Why?
I mean, personally, Todd Rundgren posturing in his pink hair
with ankh-spaped electric guitar is more likely to keep my attention
that Liam Gallagher in a hoody, squatting onstage like he's about to
take a dump.
Does that really keep your attention? For how long? Why?
It's more interesting to look at. this is a false
dichtomony, black & white, yadda-yadda. If ELP's mighty stainless
steel drumkit and persian rug, or Yes' fibreglass mushrooms is OH NO
BURN IT W/FIRE WAGE KULTURKAMPF UPON IT then what is actually OK for a
band to adopt as a look I wonder.
Oh don't misunderstand me. I think most rock bands look idiotic on stage, largely because they think they have to, and that might be dictated by the audience.
Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-26 by tronbros
The main difference in all this is that within rock and pop you have a definitive recording, be it Strawberry Fields or Nights. Nobody really wants to hear a copy, there is no score, it was captured once in a particular way. Classical music is realised through the interpretation of scores, modified endlessly by the vision of conductors and the sonority of individual orchestras. Therefore the audience for pop will diminish as you move away from the time of it's original creation. Okay, the Beatles defy this theory a little. Thomas Tallis wrote in the 16th century and is still performed. Nights in White Satin will fade as it is the sum of unique parts one day in 1967 and that cannot be replicated closely and regularly. Classical music can be. I may be wrong....... M mellotronics.co.uk
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On 26 Jul 2011, at 22:08, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com> wrote: > On 26/07/2011 21:17, lsf5275@aol.com wrote: > >> >> >> No, your point was about Justin Hayward. He was just part of his generation. > > Actually my point wasn't specifically about him at all. Someone else brought him up. > >> Much of his music is/was timeless and will be relevant long after we are gone. People will rediscover Tuesday Afternoon,and Nights in White Satin over and over again. His relevance might be to a narrower audience, but no musician is relevant unless someone thinks they are... ever. All it takes is one. More is better, though. > > That's just simply not true. The difficult thing is that I think you know it. If something is an entity that 'people will rediscover' then it is an apparent truth that it has to be undiscovered first,and that process is well underway. They may well be your personal favourites, but ask your average 20 or 25 or 30 year old what they know about The Moody Blues (to name your specific) and the overwhelming likely answer will be a blank stare back at you. No one know. No one remembers. Far fewer ever care. Music is an evanescent thing, so get used to it and enjoy what you have. At best they might name NiWS. But that's all, and that is by an Herculean effort. > > His audience is narrower is because his audience is dying slowly. That is how stuff works. And I have no issue with that at all. > > Mike > >
Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-26 by lsf5275@aol.com
The very last of your sentences has us in total agreement. I may have improperly used the word "rediscovered" whereas I meant, "discovered" New listeners discover his music, thereby making him a rediscovered talent. I still maintain that you take particular glee in dumping on anything, "Moody Blues." That's fine with me. I once loved their music though now it's subject matter is less relevant to me. I'm no longer, "...watching and waiting, for a friend to play with." and I realize that I am never going to get an answer "about hate and death and war." I also do not write letters "never meaning to send." If I write them, I send them. But back in the early 70s I wrote hundreds of love letters that I never sent. Regardless, Hayward is relevant to those fans that feel he is. Relevance is purely subjective. As for who brought him up, you did. Martin mentioned Justin Haystacks, whom everyone knows is dead. In a message dated 7/26/2011 5:09:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mike.dickson@gmail.com writes: On 26/07/2011 21:17, _lsf5275@aol.com_ (mailto:lsf5275@aol.com) wrote: No, your point was about Justin Hayward. He was just part of his generation. Actually my point wasn't specifically about him at all. Someone else brought him up. Much of his music is/was timeless and will be relevant long after we are gone. People will rediscover Tuesday Afternoon,and Nights in White Satin over and over again. His relevance might be to a narrower audience, but no musician is relevant unless someone thinks they are... ever. All it takes is one. More is better, though. That's just simply not true. The difficult thing is that I think you know it. If something is an entity that 'people will rediscover' then it is an apparent truth that it has to be undiscovered first,and that process is well underway. They may well be your personal favourites, but ask your average 20 or 25 or 30 year old what they know about The Moody Blues (to name your specific) and the overwhelming likely answer will be a blank stare back at you. No one know. No one remembers. Far fewer ever care. Music is an evanescent thing, so get used to it and enjoy what you have. At best they might name NiWS. But that's all, and that is by an Herculean effort. His audience is narrower is because his audience is dying slowly. That is how stuff works. And I have no issue with that at all. Mike
Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-26 by lsf5275@aol.com
Bay City Rollers anyone? In a message dated 7/26/2011 5:15:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mike.dickson@gmail.com writes: One might reply that it is better to be OTT and stupid-looking, even if you do wind up looking like an idiot, than to get up onstage in plaid and scuffed trainers or the like, like just about everybody else does.
Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-26 by lsf5275@aol.com
No, I think you are right. But classical music was written and performed before there was any ability to duplicate it. Orchestras and ensembles were created to interpret those creations (with obvious varying degrees of skill) for the masses. The only way to share music was to perform it. The intricacies of a Beethoven quartet or a Verdi Opera make them attractive to perform live because there is no expected standard. We don't say that the orchestra is a Beethoven cover band. We don't listen to Virgil Fox and say, "that sucks compared to when I heard Bach do it," even if we're not Virgil Fox fans. Pop songs lose their luster because they cease to be interesting. I don't consider relevance. I don't put on Moody Blues albums any more to just sit and listen to, however, when I'm in the shop and the iPod is shuffled, I song of theirs may come up now and again. There are more than 10,000 songs so it is not frequent. But when I hear one, I enjoy it. In a message dated 7/26/2011 6:28:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tronbros@aol.com writes: The main difference in all this is that within rock and pop you have a definitive recording, be it Strawberry Fields or Nights. Nobody really wants to hear a copy, there is no score, it was captured once in a particular way. Classical music is realised through the interpretation of scores, modified endlessly by the vision of conductors and the sonority of individual orchestras. Therefore the audience for pop will diminish as you move away from the time of it's original creation. Okay, the Beatles defy this theory a little. Thomas Tallis wrote in the 16th century and is still performed. Nights in White Satin will fade as it is the sum of unique parts one day in 1967 and that cannot be replicated closely and regularly. Classical music can be. I may be wrong....... M _mellotronics.co.uk_ (http://mellotronics.co.uk/) On 26 Jul 2 011, at 22:08, Mike Dickson <_mike.dickson@gmail.com_ (mailto:mike.dickson@gmail.com) > wrote: On 26/07/2011 21:17, _lsf5275@aol.com_ (mailto:lsf5275@aol.com) wrote: No, your point was about Justin Hayward. He was just part of his generation. Actually my point wasn't specifically about him at all. Someone else brought him up. Much of his music is/was timeless and will be relevant long after we are gone. People will rediscover Tuesday Afternoon,and Nights in White Satin over and over again. His relevance might be to a narrower audience, but no musician is relevant unless someone thinks they are... ever. All it takes is one. More is better, though. That's just simply not true. The difficult thing is that I think you know it. If something is an entity that 'people will rediscover' then it is an apparent truth that it has to be undiscovered first,and that process is well underway. They may well be your personal favourites, but ask your average 20 or 25 or 30 year old what they know about The Moody Blues (to name your specific) and the overwhelming likely answer will be a blank stare back at you. No one know. No one remembers. Far fewer ever care. Music is an evanescent thing, so get used to it and enjoy what you have. At best they might name NiWS. But that's all, and that is by an Herculean effort. His audience is narrower is because his audience is dying slowly. That is how stuff works. And I have no issue with that at all. Mike
Re: [newmellotrongroup] Chamberlin M1 on ebay again
2011-07-26 by Bruce Daily
It seems to be back now, with a MUCH lower starting bid. In the end, a M4000 (or M5000) loaded with Chamberlin sounds will probably still be a better deal. -Bruce D. --- On Tue, 7/26/11, Thomas C. Doncourt <tomdcour@amnh.org> wrote:
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From: Thomas C. Doncourt <tomdcour@amnh.org> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Chamberlin M1 on ebay again To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Cc: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 10:30 AM Yesterday i saw an M1 on ebay for $14,999! It had a pitch control modification directly under the center of the keyboard. Today it is no longer available! hmmm
Re: [newmellotrongroup] Chamberlin M1 on ebay again
2011-07-27 by Thomas C. Doncourt
i have a bunch of chamberlin sounds for my m400 and I have to say they really don't sound the same at all as on the M1 . Still- faced with the choice between an M1 and an m5000 for the same price I would choose the latter. I believe in Streetly and supporting living artists!
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> It seems to be back now, with a MUCH lower starting bid. In the > end, a M4000 (or M5000) loaded with Chamberlin sounds will probably still > be a better deal. > > -Bruce D. > > > > --- On Tue, 7/26/11, Thomas C. Doncourt <tomdcour@amnh.org> wrote: > > > From: Thomas C. Doncourt <tomdcour@amnh.org> > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Chamberlin M1 on ebay again > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com > Cc: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 10:30 AM > > > > > > > > > Yesterday i saw an M1 on ebay for $14,999! It had a pitch control > modification directly under the center of the keyboard. Today it is no > longer available! hmmm > > > > > > >
Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-27 by Mike Dickson
On 26/07/2011 23:37, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:
Hmmm. I don't see the evidence for that, really. The MB are going the way of an awful lot of bands of their generation and locale, and that is the same way that most rock music will go in time.� Some just go faster than others.
I don't have any particular axe to grind with them.� I don't like much of what they did (or even anything they did, come to think of it) but they don';t mean so much to me that I "dump on anything Moody Blues".� I admit I cannot understand why they are that revered round here. �
It's fair to point out that, yes, their lyrics were abominable.� Almost as bad as Sinfield's.
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�The very last of your sentences has us in total agreement. I may have improperly used the word "rediscovered" whereas I meant, "discovered" New listeners discover his music, thereby making him a rediscovered talent.
Hmmm. I don't see the evidence for that, really. The MB are going the way of an awful lot of bands of their generation and locale, and that is the same way that most rock music will go in time.� Some just go faster than others.
I still maintain that you take particular glee in dumping on anything, "Moody Blues."
I don't have any particular axe to grind with them.� I don't like much of what they did (or even anything they did, come to think of it) but they don';t mean so much to me that I "dump on anything Moody Blues".� I admit I cannot understand why they are that revered round here. �
That's fine with me. I once loved their music though now it's subject matter is less relevant to me. I'm no longer, "...watching and waiting, for a friend to play with."
It's fair to point out that, yes, their lyrics were abominable.� Almost as bad as Sinfield's.
Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-27 by Mike Dickson
I wonder how many sub 40-year-old people remember them.
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-27 by lsf5275@aol.com
They don't approach Sinfield's In a message dated 7/27/2011 4:25:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mike.dickson@gmail.com writes: It's fair to point out that, yes, their lyrics were abominable. Almost as bad as Sinfield's.
Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-27 by Mike Dickson
On 26/07/2011 23:34, tronbros wrote:
I dunno.� It depends on the band and their modus operandi.� Some of the more adventurous might record the song in the studio but then radically rework it live, or in a radio session, or whatever.� Depressingly, rather a lot tried to relive their studio effort by playing a thinner version live but just beefing it up with a couple of thousand watts behind them.� That's where live albums tend to fall over big time.
...and of the concert hall acoustics, of course.� The differences between one performance and the other tend to be pretty subtle though, maybe because there is a lot more 'information' in a symphony than in a song.
They defy it a lot.� What will help is the sheer amount of the product about, physically.� Michael Jackson will last without a doubt because there is just so much of his music everywhere.� I suspect it will have a lot less to do with actual quality and have more to do with quantity.
�The main difference in all this is that within rock and pop you have a definitive recording, be it Strawberry Fields or Nights. �Nobody really wants to hear a copy, there is no score, it was captured once in a particular way.�
I dunno.� It depends on the band and their modus operandi.� Some of the more adventurous might record the song in the studio but then radically rework it live, or in a radio session, or whatever.� Depressingly, rather a lot tried to relive their studio effort by playing a thinner version live but just beefing it up with a couple of thousand watts behind them.� That's where live albums tend to fall over big time.
Classical music is realised through the interpretation of scores, modified endlessly by the vision of conductors and the sonority of individual orchestras.�
...and of the concert hall acoustics, of course.� The differences between one performance and the other tend to be pretty subtle though, maybe because there is a lot more 'information' in a symphony than in a song.
Therefore the audience for pop will diminish as you move away from the time of it's original creation. �Okay, the Beatles defy this theory a little.�
They defy it a lot.� What will help is the sheer amount of the product about, physically.� Michael Jackson will last without a doubt because there is just so much of his music everywhere.� I suspect it will have a lot less to do with actual quality and have more to do with quantity.
Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-27 by Mike Dickson
Sinfield is a special case. I use
him as a yardstick for bad lyrics. An SI measurement of lyrical
horror.
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They don't approach Sinfield'sIn a message dated 7/27/2011 4:25:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mike.dickson@gmail.com writes:It's fair to point out that, yes, their lyrics were abominable. Almost as bad as Sinfield's.
RE: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-27 by Gary Brumm
Prog rock is full of comic book, grade school, rubbish lyrically. I love a lot of the music from this genre but wince when many of them begin to sing. Sinfield is defiantly the standard for bad lyrics..........
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From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Dickson Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 1:41 PM To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked Sinfield is a special case. I use him as a yardstick for bad lyrics. An SI measurement of lyrical horror. On 27/07/2011 21:32, lsf5275@aol.com<mailto:lsf5275@aol.com> wrote: They don't approach Sinfield's In a message dated 7/27/2011 4:25:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mike.dickson@gmail.com<mailto:mike.dickson@gmail.com> writes: It's fair to point out that, yes, their lyrics were abominable. Almost as bad as Sinfield's.
Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-27 by tony1
I've always preferred instrumental music.
Tony
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Prog rock is full of comic book, grade school, rubbish lyrically. I love a lot of the music from this genre but wince
when many of them begin to sing. Sinfield is defiantly the standard for bad lyrics .
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Sinfield is a special case. I use him as a yardstick for bad lyrics. An SI measurement of lyrical horror.
On 27/07/2011 21:32, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:
They don't approach Sinfield's
In a message dated 7/27/2011 4:25:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mike.dickson@gmail.com writes:
It's fair to point out that, yes, their lyrics were abominable. Almost as bad as Sinfield's.
Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-27 by Norman Fay
On 26 July 2011 22:09, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com> wrote:
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On 26/07/2011 19:37, Norman Fay wrote:> Bear in mind that one Elvis Presley was possibly the most alarming thing that the sheltered bits of the USA had ever seen at one point. Mostly because he reminded people how babies are made.
This reads like the kind of baby-boomer hyperbole that I used to read
in "mojo" back when I bought it
Is it not true?
No, Mike, it is not true.
Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-27 by Norman Fay
On 26 July 2011 22:15, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com> wrote:
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On 26/07/2011 19:37, Norman Fay wrote:One might reply that it is better to be OTT and stupid-looking, even
if you do wind up looking like an idiot, than to get up onstage in
plaid and scuffed trainers or the like, like just about everybody else
does.
Why?
Because it suggests that the artist has put some...thought? effort? something like that...into their performance.
I mean, personally, Todd Rundgren posturing in his pink hair
with ankh-spaped electric guitar is more likely to keep my attention
that Liam Gallagher in a hoody, squatting onstage like he's about to
take a dump.
Does that really keep your attention? For how long? Why?
Well as long as I'm interested in the music I suppose. It is more interesting to watch while you're listening to the music.
It's more interesting to look at. this is a false
dichtomony, black & white, yadda-yadda. If ELP's mighty stainless
steel drumkit and persian rug, or Yes' fibreglass mushrooms is OH NO
BURN IT W/FIRE WAGE KULTURKAMPF UPON IT then what is actually OK for a
band to adopt as a look I wonder.
Oh don't misunderstand me. I think most rock bands look idiotic on stage, largely because they think they have to, and that might be dictated by the audience.
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2011-07-27 by lsf5275@aol.com
The more idiotic the better. At least when you're a kid. My first live concert was Alice Cooper opening for Arthur Brown when I was about 15. In a message dated 7/27/2011 5:26:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, vietgrove@gmail.com writes: Oh don't misunderstand me. I think most rock bands look idiotic on stage, largely because they think they have to, and that might be dictated by the audience.
Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-28 by fdoddy@aol.com
More information in a symphony than a song? Depends on what kind of information you're listening to/focusing on, and what side of the brain you listen with.
fritz
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On 26/07/2011 23:34, tronbros wrote:
The main difference in all this is that within rock and pop you have a definitive recording, be it Strawberry Fields or Nights. Nobody really wants to hear a copy, there is no score, it was captured once in a particular way.
I dunno. It depends on the band and their modus operandi. Some of the more adventurous might record the song in the studio but then radically rework it live, or in a radio session, or whatever. Depressingly, rather a lot tried to relive their studio effort by playing a thinner version live but just beefing it up with a couple of thousand watts behind them. That's where live albums tend to fall over big time.
Classical music is realised through the interpretation of scores, modified endlessly by the vision of conductors and the sonority of individual orchestras.
...and of the concert hall acoustics, of course. The differences between one performance and the other tend to be pretty subtle though, maybe because there is a lot more 'information' in a symphony than in a song.
Therefore the audience for pop will diminish as you move away from the time of it's original creation. Okay, the Beatles defy this theory a little.
They defy it a lot. What will help is the sheer amount of the product about, physically. Michael Jackson will last without a doubt because there is just so much of his music everywhere. I suspect it will have a lot less to do with actual quality and have more to do with quantity.Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-28 by lsf5275@aol.com
I listen with the inside of my brain. In a message dated 7/27/2011 9:59:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, fdoddy@aol.com writes: More information in a symphony than a song? Depends on what kind of information you're listening to/focusing on, and what side of the brain you listen with. fritz ...and of the concert hall acoustics, of course. The differences between one performance and the other tend to be pretty subtle though, maybe because there is a lot more 'information' in a symphony than in a song. -----Original Message-----
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From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com> To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Jul 27, 2011 4:39 pm Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked On 26/07/2011 23:34, tronbros wrote: The main difference in all this is that within rock and pop you have a definitive recording, be it Strawberry Fields or Nights. Nobody really wants to hear a copy, there is no score, it was captured once in a particular way. I dunno. It depends on the band and their modus operandi. Some of the more adventurous might record the song in the studio but then radically rework it live, or in a radio session, or whatever. Depressingly, rather a lot tried to relive their studio effort by playing a thinner version live but just beefing it up with a couple of thousand watts behind them. That's where live albums tend to fall over big time. Classical music is realised through the interpretation of scores, modified endlessly by the vision of conductors and the sonority of individual orchestras. ...and of the concert hall acoustics, of course. The differences between one performance and the other tend to be pretty subtle though, maybe because there is a lot more 'information' in a symphony than in a song. Therefore the audience for pop will diminish as you move away from the time of it's original creation. Okay, the Beatles defy this theory a little. They defy it a lot. What will help is the sheer amount of the product about, physically. Michael Jackson will last without a doubt because there is just so much of his music everywhere. I suspect it will have a lot less to do with actual quality and have more to do with quantity.
Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-28 by Mike Dickson
On 27/07/2011 22:26, Norman Fay wrote:
Odd. Most orchestras have everyone dressed the same, every time. Is their performance 'thoughtless'?
I really cannot think of anything less relevant to a live performance than the way anyone is dressed. (Unless it's central to the show, I suppose)
Well...good for you. I can't see either one or the other holding my attention for any longer than the other.
if you do wind up looking like an idiot, than to get up onstage in
plaid and scuffed trainers or the like, like just about everybody else
does.
Why?
Because it suggests that the artist has put some...thought? effort? something like that...into their performance.
Odd. Most orchestras have everyone dressed the same, every time. Is their performance 'thoughtless'?
I really cannot think of anything less relevant to a live performance than the way anyone is dressed. (Unless it's central to the show, I suppose)
I mean, personally, Todd Rundgren posturing in his pink hair
with ankh-spaped electric guitar is more likely to keep my attention
that Liam Gallagher in a hoody, squatting onstage like he's about to
take a dump.
Does that really keep your attention? For how long? Why?
Well as long as I'm interested in the music I suppose. It is more interesting to watch while you're listening to the music.
Well...good for you. I can't see either one or the other holding my attention for any longer than the other.
Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-28 by lsf5275@aol.com
Well who cares? In a message dated 7/28/2011 1:01:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mike.dickson@gmail.com writes: Well as long as I'm interested in the music I suppose. It is more interesting to watch while you're listening to the music. Well...good for you. I can't see either one or the other holding my attention for any longer than the other.
Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-29 by Fritz Doddy
I really cannot think of anything lessrelevant to a live performance than the way anyone is dressed. (Unless it's central to the show, I suppose) >> Then you must never have worked with an orchestra or played a live gig in a band or ensemble. I did an orchestral session some years ago and requested the players dress formal. Normal attire in the studio is business casual, but it was an evening session and I had clients present. I thought it would be fun. Afterwards, my concert master complimented me on the strategy saying how well the orchestra performed and how attentive and engaged the players were for the recording. Dress is irrelevant? Sorry for the brevity as I am replying from a remote region of iPhonekstan. fritzdoddy On Jul 28, 2011, at 1:01 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > I really cannot think of anything less relevant to a live > performance than the way anyone is dressed. (Unless it's central to > the show, I suppose) > >> >>>
Re: [newmellotrongroup] So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-29 by Mike Dickson
On 29/07/2011 01:04, Fritz Doddy wrote:
I was referring to the way the show engages me (which is what the discussion was about).
�>> I really cannot think of anything�lessrelevant to a live performance than the way anyone is dressed.� (Unless it's central to the show, I suppose)
Then you must never have worked with an orchestra or played a live gig in a band or ensemble.�
I did an orchestral session some years ago and requested the players dress formal. �Normal attire in the studio is business casual, but it was an evening session and I had clients present. I thought it would be fun. Afterwards, my concert master complimented me on the strategy saying how well the orchestra performed and how attentive and engaged the players were for the recording. Dress is irrelevant?
I was referring to the way the show engages me (which is what the discussion was about).
Re: So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-31 by mellotronmadness
I haven't anything to say, just didn't want Mike to have the last word on this! Mark
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2011-07-31 by gino wong
When working with Phila ork types and others (no full orks but twice ever) I was advised and made it policy to have them dress casually, A starched , pressed shirt prints on my mic placements, I encourage sweatshirts and polos. I also make sure that they like me and that they feel like they are doing something serious. I think I was in a lucky situation where the ork type make a lot of money from referrals and related work that is easy for them.
When I record books, single high end mic cranked, t shirts, they love it. Cats come in in their Brooks brothers and they take it off and put on mocassins and sweats.
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On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 8:04 PM, Fritz Doddy <fdoddy@aol.com> wrote:
I really cannot think of anything lessrelevant to a live performance than the way anyone is dressed. (Unless it's central to the show, I suppose)
Then you must never have worked with an orchestra or played a live gig in a band or ensemble.I did an orchestral session some years ago and requested the players dress formal. Normal attire in the studio is business casual, but it was an evening session and I had clients present. I thought it would be fun. Afterwards, my concert master complimented me on the strategy saying how well the orchestra performed and how attentive and engaged the players were for the recording. Dress is irrelevant?
Sorry for the brevity as I am replying from a remote region of iPhonekstan.fritzdoddy
I really cannot think of anything less relevant to a live performance than the way anyone is dressed. (Unless it's central to the show, I suppose)
Re: So - The train wreck finally wrecked
2011-07-31 by Sean
Well, I can vouch for the blank stares thing. Rather disheartening. Been a major obstacle in trying to work with other musicians. Everything around me here in California's south valley is either very indie-chic or angst-drenched metal. I wonder what ever happened to finesse in music. Or maybe, I'm just that out of touch with frankly everything. I get very particular about what I listen to and wish to play. The understandings in those songs are my companion through ... things... for lack of a better term. I just can't come to "get" indie-chic's fetish of everything gritty and "authentic," whatever that means to them cuz it certainly don't mean the same to me. I have nothing in common with the screaming and posturing of the metal crowd. But that's all there is. I'd rather be immersed in the world of Workingman's Dead, or American Beauty, or of Led I, or Days of Future Passed because the musical vibe is so right, even if the lyrics are stupid. Mellotrons and pedal steels get me going. Clear intelligible drum parts with a bounce get me going. Electric guitars that sound like electric guitars not like fire alarms get me going. My friends look at me bug eyed, as if something were generally wrong with me. Long way of saying all the 20 somethings around me are miles away from anything any of us here hold dear. So I sit at home with my transistor organ and my mellotron samples and learn licks that I'll probably not share with anyone around where I live. Kind of pathetic really. -Sean
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2011-08-01 by Thomas C. Doncourt
Sean-- if you keep trying to employ all the things you find interesting and worthwhile about music to your own project you will be ahead of your time and maybe you can come up with something new. That's what is really needed these days. Use your computer, perfect your recording techniques and do it yourself if you can. If you can't find people who are willing to collaborate write the parts yourself , save your money and get some session people to play them. Invite people to collaborate online, think outside the box. If i depended on a band for my creative process I would have jumped out a window by now.........
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> Well, I can vouch for the blank stares thing. Rather disheartening. Been a > major obstacle in trying to work with other musicians. > > Everything around me here in California's south valley is either very > indie-chic or angst-drenched metal. I wonder what ever happened to finesse > in music. Or maybe, I'm just that out of touch with frankly everything. > > I get very particular about what I listen to and wish to play. The > understandings in those songs are my companion through ... things... for > lack of a better term. I just can't come to "get" indie-chic's fetish of > everything gritty and "authentic," whatever that means to them cuz it > certainly don't mean the same to me. I have nothing in common with the > screaming and posturing of the metal crowd. But that's all there is. > > I'd rather be immersed in the world of Workingman's Dead, or American > Beauty, or of Led I, or Days of Future Passed because the musical vibe is > so right, even if the lyrics are stupid. Mellotrons and pedal steels get > me going. Clear intelligible drum parts with a bounce get me going. > Electric guitars that sound like electric guitars not like fire alarms get > me going. My friends look at me bug eyed, as if something were generally > wrong with me. > > Long way of saying all the 20 somethings around me are miles away from > anything any of us here hold dear. So I sit at home with my transistor > organ and my mellotron samples and learn licks that I'll probably not > share with anyone around where I live. Kind of pathetic really. > > -Sean > >