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Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron

Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron

2011-02-28 by lsf5275@aol.com

It appears that I have acquired the actual Mellotron that was used on the  
1974 recording session in which Freddy Fender re-recorded Wasted Days and 
Wasted  Nights, which went on to be a big hit. It was owned and played by a 
man named  Leo O'neil, who was actually a horn player. I tracked Leo down and 
he gave me  some history. He says he also played it live quite a bit and 
told me the one  night Patrick Moraz was in the audience at one of Leo's gigs. 
It was after a  Moody Blues show and Patrick came out and caught his show. 
Afterward, Leo says  that Patrick came up to him and complimented him on his 
playing style and  on the sound he was getting out of it.
 
Leo attributes his skill on the Mellotron to the fact that as a horn player 
 he was used to playing fewer notes and to holding them for brief periods.  
He said his playing style was, "to use only one or two fingers down low and 
the  one finger an octave or more above, and to move around on the keyboard 
so as not  to run the tape out."
 
So there you have it.
 
I only have to trace one more link and I'll know for sure that this is that 
 machine.
 
It's a real mess, but it will get better.

RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron

2011-02-28 by Gary Brumm

Nice find Frank.  How did you acquire it?

Gary
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From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol.com
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 9:22 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron

It appears that I have acquired the actual Mellotron that was used on the 1974 recording session in which Freddy Fender re-recorded Wasted Days and Wasted Nights, which went on to be a big hit. It was owned and played by a man named Leo O'neil, who was actually a horn player. I tracked Leo down and he gave me some history. He says he also played it live quite a bit and told me the one night Patrick Moraz was in the audience at one of Leo's gigs. It was after a Moody Blues show and Patrick came out and caught his show. Afterward, Leo says that Patrick came up to him and complimented him on his playing style and on the sound he was getting out of it.

Leo attributes his skill on the Mellotron to the fact that as a horn player he was used to playing fewer notes and to holding them for brief periods. He said his playing style was, "to use only one or two fingers down low and the one finger an octave or more above, and to move around on the keyboard so as not to run the tape out."

So there you have it.

I only have to trace one more link and I'll know for sure that this is that machine.

It's a real mess, but it will get better.

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Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron

2011-02-28 by lsf5275@aol.com

From right here on the list. A few week ago Matt Meixner popped up with one 
 to sell. I drove out to Milwaukee the weekend before last and picked it 
up. Matt  also has a Mark VI with four tape frames.
 
I can't verify for dead certain this is that machine unless Leo can find  
his purchase receipt or until I can complete the link to Matt. I have to 
verify  one more transaction. The odds are likely that this is it, but I'm 
working to be  sure. Otherwise, I'll have to say is "might" be the one.
 
 
 
In a message dated 2/28/2011 12:30:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
gabru@comsec.net writes:

 
 
 
 
Nice find  Frank.  How did you acquire it? 
Gary 
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From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com  
[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of  lsf5275@aol.com
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 9:22  AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [new  mellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron

 
It appears that  I have acquired the actual Mellotron that was used on the 
1974 recording  session in which Freddy Fender re-recorded Wasted Days and 
Wasted Nights,  which went on to be a big hit. It was owned and played by a 
man named Leo  O'neil, who was actually a horn player. I tracked Leo down and 
he gave me some  history. He says he also played it live quite a bit and 
told me the one night  Patrick Moraz was in the audience at one of Leo's gigs. 
It was after a Moody  Blues show and Patrick came out and caught his show. 
Afterward, Leo says that  Patrick came up to him and complimented him on his 
playing style and on  the sound he was getting out of it.
 

 
Leo  attributes his skill on the Mellotron to the fact that as a horn 
player he was  used to playing fewer notes and to holding them for brief periods. 
He  said his playing style was, "to use only one or two fingers down low 
and the  one finger an octave or more above, and to move around on the 
keyboard so as  not to run the tape out."
 

 
So there you  have it.
 

 
I only have to  trace one more link and I'll know for sure that this is 
that  machine.
 

 
It's a real  mess, but it will get better.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron

2011-02-28 by tspit74@comcast.net

Cool Frank. Just out of curiosity, what tape set did this Leo character have loaded into his tron? 
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: lsf5275@aol.com 
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 1:53:09 PM 
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron 


From right here on the list. A few week ago Matt Meixner popped up with one to sell. I drove out to Milwaukee the weekend before last and picked it up. Matt also has a Mark VI with four tape frames. 

I can't verify for dead certain this is that machine unless Leo can find his purchase receipt or until I can complete the link to Matt. I have to verify one more transaction. The odds are likely that this is it, but I'm working to be sure. Otherwise, I'll have to say is "might" be the one. 



In a message dated 2/28/2011 12:30:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, gabru@comsec.net writes: 







Nice find Frank. How did you acquire it? 



Gary 








From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol.com 
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 9:22 AM 
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [new mellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron 




It appears that I have acquired the actual Mellotron that was used on the 1974 recording session in which Freddy Fender re-recorded Wasted Days and Wasted Nights, which went on to be a big hit. It was owned and played by a man named Leo O'neil, who was actually a horn player. I tracked Leo down and he gave me some history. He says he also played it live quite a bit and told me the one night Patrick Moraz was in the audience at one of Leo's gigs. It was after a Moody Blues show and Patrick came out and caught his show. Afterward, Leo says that Patrick came up to him and complimented him on his playing style and on the sound he was getting out of it. 





Leo attributes his skill on the Mellotron to the fact that as a horn player he was used to playing fewer notes and to holding them for brief periods. He said his playing style was, "to use only one or two fingers down low and the one finger an octave or more above, and to move around on the keyboard so as not to run the tape out." 





So there you have it. 





I only have to trace one more link and I'll know for sure that this is that machine. 





It's a real mess, but it will get better.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron

2011-02-28 by lsf5275@aol.com

Cello, Strings, Flute. I'm guessing M400 Strings but he doesn't know and I  
haven't heard either frame because it don't work. I've already started 
tearing  it apart. Since I don't have another 400 around at this time, I'll have 
to wait  a bit to hear the tapes.
 
I'm going to build it a new cabinet. The plan for now is to build it out of 
 all MDF or a combination of MDF and Baltic Birch plywood.
 
 
Frank
 
 
In a message dated 2/28/2011 3:29:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
tspit74@comcast.net writes:



Cool Frank.  Just out of curiosity, what tape set did this Leo character 
have loaded into  his tron?
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----- Original Message -----
From: lsf5275@aol.com
To:  newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 1:53:09  PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender  Mellotron

From right here on the list. A few week ago Matt Meixner popped up with  
one to sell. I drove out to Milwaukee the weekend before last and picked it  
up. Matt also has a Mark VI with four tape frames.
 
I can't verify for dead certain this is that machine unless Leo can find  
his purchase receipt or until I can complete the link to Matt. I have to  
verify one more transaction. The odds are likely that this is it, but I'm  
working to be sure. Otherwise, I'll have to say is "might" be the one.
 
 
 
In a message dated 2/28/2011 12:30:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
gabru@comsec.net writes:

 
 
Nice find  Frank.  How did you acquire it? 
Gary 
 
 
 
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com  
[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of  lsf5275@aol.com
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 9:22  AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [new  mellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron

 
It appears  that I have acquired the actual Mellotron that was used on the 
1974  recording session in which Freddy Fender re-recorded Wasted Days and 
Wasted  Nights, which went on to be a big hit. It was owned and played by a 
man  named Leo O'neil, who was actually a horn player. I tracked Leo down and 
he  gave me some history. He says he also played it live quite a bit and 
told me  the one night Patrick Moraz was in the audience at one of Leo's gigs. 
It was  after a Moody Blues show and Patrick came out and caught his show.  
Afterward, Leo says that Patrick came up to him and complimented him on  
his playing style and on the sound he was getting out of  it.
 

 
Leo  attributes his skill on the Mellotron to the fact that as a horn 
player he  was used to playing fewer notes and to holding them for brief periods. 
 He said his playing style was, "to use only one or two fingers down low 
and  the one finger an octave or more above, and to move around on the 
keyboard  so as not to run the tape out."
 

 
So there you  have it.
 

 
I only have  to trace one more link and I'll know for sure that this is 
that  machine.
 

 
It's a real  mess, but it will get better.

Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron

2011-02-28 by zogher

Hi Frank,

I'm only referencing pictures, but the current cabinet doesn't look *too* bad. Is there a reason for requiring a new cab?

Chris

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
<snip>
> I'm going to build it a new cabinet. The plan for now is to build it out of 
>  all MDF or a combination of MDF and Baltic Birch plywood.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron

2011-03-01 by lsf5275@aol.com

Chris,
 
Yeah, here are a few more photos. It all comes down to what it would take  
to make it right. Besides, I want to build a cabinet and modify the Tron a 
bit.  It all comes down to its provenance. I won't literally trash the 
cabinet. I'll  just store it away. If you look at the following photos, and if you 
know  anything about repairing particle board, you'll see how difficult the 
repairs  will be and that the cabinet will forever more be structurally  
compromised.
 
Frank
 
 

           
I  believe the Tron fell forward on its "chin" and caused this break.  It 
goes all the way through.
    
It is worse than you  can see here.
    
Repairing edges and  corners is easy. So is reveneering.
    
As you can see, it is  all the way through. You could dig it out, glue it, 
clamp it and  then fill it with Bondo, but it would never be  strong.
    
Notice the crack in  the lower left corner of the photo? That goes all the 
way through as  well. You can also see that the corner blocks in the bottom 
are  cracked through.
    

   
The question becomes,  "Where do I put my effort?" Can I fix it? Sure, and 
I can make the  breaks invisible. But the cabinet would always be weak and 
easily  damaged.

 

 
 
In a message dated 2/28/2011 4:15:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
fazeka@gmail.com writes:

 
 
 
Hi Frank,

I'm only referencing pictures, but the current cabinet  doesn't look *too* 
bad. Is there a reason for requiring a new  cab?

Chris

--- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  lsf5275@... wrote:
>
<snip>
> I'm going to build it a new  cabinet. The plan for now is to build it out 
of 
> all MDF or a  combination of MDF and Baltic Birch plywood.

Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron

2011-03-01 by zogher

No argument from me, the intial pics were a little deceiving to my eyes.

Seems like a no-brainer, I'd probably do the same. I'd be interested to see how it turns out, should be great!

Chris

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> Chris,
>  
> Yeah, here are a few more photos. It all comes down to what it would take  
> to make it right. Besides, I want to build a cabinet and modify the Tron a 
> bit.  It all comes down to its provenance. I won't literally trash the 
> cabinet. I'll  just store it away.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron

2011-03-01 by Chris Dale

Frank:
I ran into those same problems when trying to authenticate the Wakeman/Yes proto MK V.
Initially, there was a big mystery as to where it was built, (USA or UK) who it was built for (the owner mentioned Edgar Froese had a white MK V and this machine was also white at one time and then painted black) and where all the custom parts came from, and who did the actual work.
It took years to authenicate, but two things that helped the process along were Wakeman's response and Streetly's 'birth certificates'.
Maybe you should give Martin the serial number and see if there's any mention of ownership on the actual factory certificate. There was with the Wakeman/Yes machine.
That would be irrefutable evidence, and of course the manufacturing date is on there too.


I can';t verify for dead certain this is that machine unless Leo can find his purchase receipt or until I can complete the link to Matt. I have to verify one more transaction. The odds are likely that this is it, but I'm working to be sure. Otherwise, I'll have to say is "might" be the one.
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron

2011-03-01 by Bruce Daily

What a project! You can do it, Frank! All the chassis parts look ok, but BOY it was abused! I see it has a decent motor controller, and the red switch cap is intact. I look forward to seeing your new cabinet. Will it be classic in dimensions, or something new? What is the serial number of this unit?
-Bruce D.


--- On Mon, 2/28/11, lsf5275@aol.com ; wrote:

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From: lsf5275@aol.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:46 PM

Cello, Strings, Flute. I'm guessing M400 Strings but he doesn't know and I haven't heard either frame because it don't work. I've already started tearing it apart. Since I don't have another 400 around at this time, I'll have to wait a bit to hear the tapes.
I'm going to build it a new cabinet. The plan for now is to build it out of all MDF or a combination of MDF and Baltic Birch plywood.
Frank
In a message dated 2/28/2011 3:29:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tspit74@comcast.net writes:


Cool Frank. Just out of curiosity, what tape set did this Leo character have loaded into his tron?
----- Original Message -----
From: lsf5275@aol.com
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 1:53:09 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron

From right here on the list. A few week ago Matt Meixner popped up with one to sell. I drove out to Milwaukee the weekend before last and picked it up. Matt also has a Mark VI with four tape frames.
I can't verify for dead certain this is that machine unless Leo can find his purchase receipt or until I can complete the link to Matt. I have to verify one more transaction. The odds are likely that this is it, but I'm working to be sure. Otherwise, I'll have to say is "might" be the one.
In a message dated 2/28/2011 12:30:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, gabru@comsec.net writes:

Nice find Frank. How did you acquire it?

Gary

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol.com
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 9:22 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [new mellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron

It appears that I have acquired the actual Mellotron that was used on the 1974 recording session in which Freddy Fender re-recorded Wasted Days and Wasted Nights, which went on to be a big hit. It was owned and played by a man named Leo O'neil, who was actually a horn player. I tracked Leo down and he gave me some history. He says he also played it live quite a bit and told me the one night Patrick Moraz was in the audience at one of Leo's gigs. It was after a Moody Blues show and Patrick came out and caught his show. Afterward, Leo says that Patrick came up to him and complimented him on his playing style and on the sound he was getting out of it.

Leo attributes his skill on the Mellotron to the fact that as a horn player he was used to playing fewer notes and to holding them for brief periods. He said his playing style was, "to use only one or two fingers down low and the one finger an octave or more above, and to move around on the keyboard so as not to run the tape out."

So there you have it.

I only have to trace one more link and I'll know for sure that this is that machine.

It's a real mess, but it will get better.


Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron

2011-03-01 by lsf5275@aol.com

Hopefully.
 
 
In a message dated 2/28/2011 9:22:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
fazeka@gmail.com writes:

 
 
 
No argument from me, the intial pics were a little deceiving to my  eyes.

Seems like a no-brainer, I'd probably do the same. I'd be  interested to 
see how it turns out, should be great!

Chris

---  In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> Chris,
> 
> Yeah, here are a  few more photos. It all comes down to what it would 
take 
> to make it  right. Besides, I want to build a cabinet and modify the Tron 
a 
> bit.  It all comes down to its provenance. I won't literally trash the 
>  cabinet. I'll just store it away.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron

2011-03-01 by lsf5275@aol.com

Thanks for the suggestions Chris. Any help is always appreciated.
 
Frank
 
 
In a message dated 2/28/2011 11:50:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com writes:

 
 
 
Frank:
 
 
I ran into those same problems when trying to authenticate the  Wakeman/Yes 
proto MK V. 
 
Initially, there was a big mystery as to where it was built, (USA or  UK) 
who it was built for (the owner mentioned Edgar Froese had  a white MK V and 
this machine was also white at one time and  then painted black) and where 
all the custom parts came from, and who did  the actual work.  
 
 
It took years to authenicate, but two things that helped the process  along 
were Wakeman's response and Streetly's 'birth certificates'.
 
Maybe you should give Martin the serial number and see if there's  any 
mention of ownership on the actual factory certificate. There was with the  
Wakeman/Yes machine.
 
That would be irrefutable evidence, and of course the  manufacturing date 
is on there too. 
 
 
  
 


I can't verify for dead  certain this is that machine unless Leo can find 
his purchase receipt or until  I can complete the link to Matt. I have to 
verify one more transaction. The  odds are likely that this is it, but I'm 
working to be sure. Otherwise, I'll  have to say is "might" be the one.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron

2011-03-01 by lsf5275@aol.com

Serial number is 1541. It looks to have had some parts from Sound Sales at  
some point. It has a PML 1 and an SMS 3.
 
 
In a message dated 3/1/2011 12:25:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
pocotron@yahoo.com writes:



What a project!  You can do it, Frank!  All  the chassis parts look ok, but 
BOY it was abused!  I see it  has a decent motor controller, and the red 
switch cap is intact.  I  look forward to seeing your new cabinet.  Will it be 
classic in  dimensions, or something new?  What is the serial number of 
this  unit?
 
   -Bruce D.


--- On Mon, 2/28/11, lsf5275@aol.com  <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:
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From:  lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com>
Subject: Re:  [newmellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron
To:  newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, February 28, 2011,  1:46 PM


Cello, Strings, Flute. I'm guessing M400 Strings but he doesn't  know and I 
haven't heard either frame because it don't work. I've  already started 
tearing it apart. Since I don't have another 400  around at this time, I'll 
have to wait a bit to hear the tapes.
 
I'm going to build it a new cabinet. The plan for now is to build  it out 
of all MDF or a combination of MDF and Baltic Birch  plywood.
 
 
Frank
 
 
In a message dated 2/28/2011 3:29:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
tspit74@comcast.net writes:



Cool  Frank. Just out of curiosity, what tape set did this Leo character  
have loaded into his tron?
----- Original Message -----
From:  lsf5275@aol.com
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent:  Monday, February 28, 2011 1:53:09 PM
Subject: Re:  [newmellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron

From right here on the list. A few week ago Matt Meixner popped  up with 
one to sell. I drove out to Milwaukee the weekend before  last and picked it 
up. Matt also has a Mark VI with four tape  frames.
 
I can't verify for dead certain this is that machine unless Leo  can find 
his purchase receipt or until I can complete the link to  Matt. I have to 
verify one more transaction. The odds are likely  that this is it, but I'm 
working to be sure. Otherwise, I'll have to  say is "might" be the one.
 
 
 
In a message dated 2/28/2011 12:30:57 P.M. Eastern Standard  Time, 
gabru@comsec.net writes:

 

 
Nice find Frank.  How  did you acquire it?

Gary




 
 
 
From:  newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com  
[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of  lsf5275@aol.com
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 9:22  AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject:  [new mellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender  Mellotron



 
It appears that I have acquired  the actual Mellotron that was used on the 
1974 recording session in  which Freddy Fender re-recorded Wasted Days and 
Wasted Nights, which  went on to be a big hit. It was owned and played by a 
man named Leo  O'neil, who was actually a horn player. I tracked Leo down and 
he gave  me some history. He says he also played it live quite a bit and 
told  me the one night Patrick Moraz was in the audience at one of Leo's  
gigs. It was after a Moody Blues show and Patrick came out and caught  his show. 
Afterward, Leo says that Patrick came up to him and  complimented him on 
his playing style and on the sound he was getting  out of it.

 


 
Leo attributes his skill on the  Mellotron to the fact that as a horn 
player he was used to playing  fewer notes and to holding them for brief periods. 
He said his  playing style was, "to use only one or two fingers down low 
and the  one finger an octave or more above, and to move around on the 
keyboard  so as not to run the tape out."

 


 
So there you have  it.

 


 
I only have to trace one more  link and I'll know for sure that this is 
that  machine.

 


 
It's a real mess, but it will  get better.

Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron

2011-03-01 by tron400

Frank,

Based on the hoard of M400's you've restored, can you tell at what point the cabinets were changed from solid wood to particle board?

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> Chris,
>  
> Yeah, here are a few more photos. It all comes down to what it would take  
> to make it right. Besides, I want to build a cabinet and modify the Tron a 
> bit.  It all comes down to its provenance. I won't literally trash the 
> cabinet. I'll  just store it away. If you look at the following photos, and if you 
> know  anything about repairing particle board, you'll see how difficult the 
> repairs  will be and that the cabinet will forever more be structurally  
> compromised.
>  
> Frank
>  
>  
> 
>            
> I  believe the Tron fell forward on its "chin" and caused this break.  It 
> goes all the way through.
>     
> It is worse than you  can see here.
>     
> Repairing edges and  corners is easy. So is reveneering.
>     
> As you can see, it is  all the way through. You could dig it out, glue it, 
> clamp it and  then fill it with Bondo, but it would never be  strong.
>     
> Notice the crack in  the lower left corner of the photo? That goes all the 
> way through as  well. You can also see that the corner blocks in the bottom 
> are  cracked through.
>     
> 
>    
> The question becomes,  "Where do I put my effort?" Can I fix it? Sure, and 
> I can make the  breaks invisible. But the cabinet would always be weak and 
> easily  damaged.
> 
>  
> 
>  
>  
> In a message dated 2/28/2011 4:15:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> fazeka@... writes:
> 
>  
>  
>  
> Hi Frank,
> 
> I'm only referencing pictures, but the current cabinet  doesn't look *too* 
> bad. Is there a reason for requiring a new  cab?
> 
> Chris
> 
> --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  lsf5275@ wrote:
> >
> <snip>
> > I'm going to build it a new  cabinet. The plan for now is to build it out 
> of 
> > all MDF or a  combination of MDF and Baltic Birch plywood.
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron

2011-03-01 by lsf5275@aol.com

I don't think they were ever made completely of solid wood. I know that  
most of the Mellotrons I have seen had plywood lids and front and back panels, 
 but when I owned 1562, it had front and back panels made of phenolic.
 
 
In a message dated 3/1/2011 7:47:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
tron400@yahoo.com writes:

 
 
 


Frank,

Based on the hoard of M400's you've restored, can you  tell at what point 
the cabinets were changed from solid wood to particle  board?

Bernie

--- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> Chris,
> 
> Yeah, here are a  few more photos. It all comes down to what it would 
take 
> to make it  right. Besides, I want to build a cabinet and modify the Tron 
a 
> bit.  It all comes down to its provenance. I won't literally trash the 
>  cabinet. I'll just store it away. If you look at the following photos, 
and if  you 
> know anything about repairing particle board, you'll see how  difficult 
the 
> repairs will be and that the cabinet will forever more  be structurally 
> compromised.
> 
> Frank
> 
>  
> 
> 
> I believe the Tron fell forward on its "chin" and  caused this break. It 
> goes all the way through.
> 
> It  is worse than you can see here.
> 
> Repairing edges and corners  is easy. So is reveneering.
> 
> As you can see, it is all the way  through. You could dig it out, glue 
it, 
> clamp it and then fill it  with Bondo, but it would never be strong.
> 
> Notice the crack in  the lower left corner of the photo? That goes all 
the 
> way through as  well. You can also see that the corner blocks in the 
bottom 
> are  cracked through.
> 
> 
> 
> The question becomes,  "Where do I put my effort?" Can I fix it? Sure, 
and 
> I can make the  breaks invisible. But the cabinet would always be weak 
and 
> easily  damaged.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> In a message  dated 2/28/2011 4:15:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> fazeka@...  writes:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Frank,
> 
>  I'm only referencing pictures, but the current cabinet doesn't look 
*too*  
> bad. Is there a reason for requiring a new cab?
> 
>  Chris
> 
> --- In __newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  , lsf5275@ wrote:
> >
> <snip>
> > I'm going to  build it a new cabinet. The plan for now is to build it 
out 
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> of  
> > all MDF or a combination of MDF and Baltic Birch  plywood.
>

Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron

2011-03-01 by tron400

I was thinking of plywood as solid wood, but of course, it's not. So, when did particle board make its debut?

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> I don't think they were ever made completely of solid wood. I know that  
> most of the Mellotrons I have seen had plywood lids and front and back panels, 
>  but when I owned 1562, it had front and back panels made of phenolic.
>  
>  
> In a message dated 3/1/2011 7:47:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> tron400@... writes:
> 
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
> Frank,
> 
> Based on the hoard of M400's you've restored, can you  tell at what point 
> the cabinets were changed from solid wood to particle  board?
> 
> Bernie
> 
> --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  lsf5275@ wrote:
> >
> > Chris,
> > 
> > Yeah, here are a  few more photos. It all comes down to what it would 
> take 
> > to make it  right. Besides, I want to build a cabinet and modify the Tron 
> a 
> > bit.  It all comes down to its provenance. I won't literally trash the 
> >  cabinet. I'll just store it away. If you look at the following photos, 
> and if  you 
> > know anything about repairing particle board, you'll see how  difficult 
> the 
> > repairs will be and that the cabinet will forever more  be structurally 
> > compromised.
> > 
> > Frank
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > I believe the Tron fell forward on its "chin" and  caused this break. It 
> > goes all the way through.
> > 
> > It  is worse than you can see here.
> > 
> > Repairing edges and corners  is easy. So is reveneering.
> > 
> > As you can see, it is all the way  through. You could dig it out, glue 
> it, 
> > clamp it and then fill it  with Bondo, but it would never be strong.
> > 
> > Notice the crack in  the lower left corner of the photo? That goes all 
> the 
> > way through as  well. You can also see that the corner blocks in the 
> bottom 
> > are  cracked through.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The question becomes,  "Where do I put my effort?" Can I fix it? Sure, 
> and 
> > I can make the  breaks invisible. But the cabinet would always be weak 
> and 
> > easily  damaged.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > In a message  dated 2/28/2011 4:15:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> > fazeka@  writes:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Frank,
> > 
> >  I'm only referencing pictures, but the current cabinet doesn't look 
> *too*  
> > bad. Is there a reason for requiring a new cab?
> > 
> >  Chris
> > 
> > --- In __newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > >
> > <snip>
> > > I'm going to  build it a new cabinet. The plan for now is to build it 
> out 
> > of  
> > > all MDF or a combination of MDF and Baltic Birch  plywood.
> >
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron

2011-03-01 by lsf5275@aol.com

Modern plywood, as an alternative to natural wood, was invented in the 19th 
 century, but by the end of the 1940s there was not enough lumber around to 
 manufacture plywood affordably. Particleboard was intended to be a 
replacement.  German inventor of particle board was _Max  Himmelheber_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Himmelheber) . The first commercial piece was produced 
during _World War  II_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II)  at a 
factory in Bremen, Germany. It used waste material such as  planer shavings, 
offcuts or sawdust, _hammer-milled_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammer_mill)  into chips, and bound together with a _phenolic  resin_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenolic_resin) . Hammer-milling involves smashing material 
into smaller and  smaller pieces until they pass out through a screen. Most 
other early  particleboard manufacturers used similar processes, though often 
with slightly  different resins. 
It was found that better strength, appearance and resin economy could be  
achieved by using more uniform, manufactured chips. Manufacturers began  
processing solid birch, beech, alder, pine and spruce into consistent chips and  
flakes. These finer layers were then placed on the outsides of the board, 
with  the central section composed of coarser, cheaper chips. This type of 
board is  known as three-layer particleboard. 
More recently, graded-density particleboard has also evolved. It contains  
particles that gradually become smaller as they get closer to the  surface
 
 
In a message dated 3/1/2011 12:50:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
tron400@yahoo.com writes:

 
 
 
I was thinking of plywood as solid wood, but of course, it's not. So, when  
did particle board make its debut?

Bernie

--- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> I don't think they were ever made  completely of solid wood. I know that 
> most of the Mellotrons I have  seen had plywood lids and front and back 
panels, 
> but when I owned  1562, it had front and back panels made of phenolic.
> 
> 
>  In a message dated 3/1/2011 7:47:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
>  tron400@... writes:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Frank,
> 
> Based on the hoard of M400's you've restored,  can you tell at what point 
> the cabinets were changed from solid wood  to particle board?
> 
> Bernie
> 
> --- In __newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  , lsf5275@ wrote:
> >
> > Chris,
> > 
> >  Yeah, here are a few more photos. It all comes down to what it would 
>  take 
> > to make it right. Besides, I want to build a cabinet and  modify the 
Tron 
> a 
> > bit. It all comes down to its  provenance. I won't literally trash the 
> > cabinet. I'll just store  it away. If you look at the following photos, 
> and if you 
>  > know anything about repairing particle board, you'll see how difficult 
 
> the 
> > repairs will be and that the cabinet will forever  more be structurally 
> > compromised.
> > 
> >  Frank
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I  believe the Tron fell forward on its "chin" and caused this break. 
It 
>  > goes all the way through.
> > 
> > It is worse than you  can see here.
> > 
> > Repairing edges and corners is easy.  So is reveneering.
> > 
> > As you can see, it is all the  way through. You could dig it out, glue 
> it, 
> > clamp it  and then fill it with Bondo, but it would never be strong.
> >  
> > Notice the crack in the lower left corner of the photo? That  goes all 
> the 
> > way through as well. You can also see that  the corner blocks in the 
> bottom 
> > are cracked  through.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The question  becomes, "Where do I put my effort?" Can I fix it? Sure, 
> and 
>  > I can make the breaks invisible. But the cabinet would always be weak  
> and 
> > easily damaged.
> > 
> > 
>  > 
> > 
> > 
> > In a message dated 2/28/2011  4:15:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> > fazeka@ writes:
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Frank,
> >  
> > I'm only referencing pictures, but the current cabinet doesn't  look 
> *too* 
> > bad. Is there a reason for requiring a new  cab?
> > 
> > Chris
> > 
> > --- In ___newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  _ 
> > (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  ) , lsf5275@ wrote:
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> > >
> > <snip>
> >  > I'm going to build it a new cabinet. The plan for now is to build it 
 
> out 
> > of 
> > > all MDF or a combination of  MDF and Baltic Birch plywood.
> >
>

RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron

2011-03-01 by John Wright

Manufacturers began processing solid birch, beech, alder, pine and
spruce and the mighty larch into consistent chips and flakes. These
finer layers were then placed on the outsides of the board, with the
central section composed of coarser, cheaper chips. This type of board
is known as three-layer particleboard.


Frank's a lumberjack and he's ok!

John

RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron

2011-03-01 by Gary Brumm

He works all night and he sleeps all day............
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From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Wright
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:36 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron



Manufacturers began processing solid birch, beech, alder, pine and spruce and the mighty larch into consistent chips and flakes. These finer layers were then placed on the outsides of the board, with the central section composed of coarser, cheaper chips. This type of board is known as three-layer particleboard.

Frank's a lumberjack and he's ok!

John

RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron

2011-03-01 by Gary Brumm

In California we call these “Presto Logs” and people who can’t start a fire burn them in their fireplace….they will probably

be outlawed soon like everything else here…….

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:17 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron

Modern plywood, as an alternative to natural wood, was invented in the 19th century, but by the end of the 1940s there was not enough lumber around to manufacture plywood affordably. Particleboard was intended to be a replacement. German inventor of particle board was Max Himmelheber. The first commercial piece was produced during World War II at a factory in Bremen, Germany. It used waste material such as planer shavings, offcuts or sawdust, hammer-milled into chips, and bound together with a phenolic resin. Hammer-milling involves smashing material into smaller and smaller pieces until they pass out through a screen. Most other early particleboard manufacturers used similar processes, though often with slightly different resins.

It was found that better strength, appearance and resin economy could be achieved by using more uniform, manufactured chips. Manufacturers began processing solid birch, beech, alder, pine and spruce into consistent chips and flakes. These finer layers were then placed on the outsides of the board, with the central section composed of coarser, cheaper chips. This type of board is known as three-layer particleboard.

More recently, graded-density particleboard has also evolved. It contains particles that gradually become smaller as they get closer to the surface

In a message dated 3/1/2011 12:50:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tron400@yahoo.com writes:

I was thinking of plywood as solid wood, but of course, it's not. So, when did particle board make its debut?

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> I don't think they were ever made completely of solid wood. I know that
> most of the Mellotrons I have seen had plywood lids and front and back panels,
> but when I owned 1562, it had front and back panels made of phenolic.
>
>
> In a message dated 3/1/2011 7:47:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> tron400@... writes:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Frank,
>
> Based on the hoard of M400's you've restored, can you tell at what point
> the cabinets were changed from solid wood to particle board?
>
> Bernie
>
> --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> >
> > Chris,
> >
> > Yeah, here are a few more photos. It all comes down to what it would
> take
> > to make it right. Besides, I want to build a cabinet and modify the Tron
> a
> > bit. It all comes down to its provenance. I won't literally trash the
> > cabinet. I'll just store it away. If you look at the following photos,
> and if you
> > know anything about repairing particle board, you'll see how difficult
> the
> > repairs will be and that the cabinet will forever more be structurally
> > compromised.
> >
> > Frank
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I believe the Tron fell forward on its "chin" and caused this break. It
> > goes all the way through.
> >
> > It is worse than you can see here.
> >
> > Repairing edges and corners is easy. So is reveneering.
> >
> > As you can see, it is all the way through. You could dig it out, glue
> it,
> > clamp it and then fill it with Bondo, but it would never be strong.
> >
> > Notice the crack in the lower left corner of the photo? That goes all
> the
> > way through as well. You can also see that the corner blocks in the
> bottom
> > are cracked through.
> >
> >
> >
> > The question becomes, "Where do I put my effort?" Can I fix it? Sure,
> and
> > I can make the breaks invisible. But the cabinet would always be weak
> and
> > easily damaged.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 2/28/2011 4:15:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > fazeka@ writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Frank,
> >
> > I'm only referencing pictures, but the current cabinet doesn't look
> *too*
> > bad. Is there a reason for requiring a new cab?
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > --- In __newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _
> > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > >
> > <snip>
> > > I'm going to build it a new cabinet. The plan for now is to build it
> out
> > of
> > > all MDF or a combination of MDF and Baltic Birch plywood.
> >
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron

2011-03-01 by Vance Pomeroy

Unfortunately, they are illegal in parts of California
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On 3/1/2011 2:23 PM, Gary Brumm wrote:
>
> In California we call these \u201cPresto Logs\u201d and people who can\u2019t start a 
> fire burn them in their fireplace\u2026.they will probably
>
> be outlawed soon like everything else here\u2026\u2026.
>
> *From:*newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *lsf5275@aol.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:17 PM
> *To:* newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron
>
> Modern plywood, as an alternative to natural wood, was invented in the 
> 19th century, but by the end of the 1940s there was not enough lumber 
> around to manufacture plywood affordably. Particleboard was intended 
> to be a replacement. German inventor of particle board was Max 
> Himmelheber <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Himmelheber>. The first 
> commercial piece was produced during World War II 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II> at a factory in Bremen, 
> Germany. It used waste material such as planer shavings, offcuts or 
> sawdust, hammer-milled <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammer_mill> into 
> chips, and bound together with a phenolic resin 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenolic_resin>. Hammer-milling involves 
> smashing material into smaller and smaller pieces until they pass out 
> through a screen. Most other early particleboard manufacturers used 
> similar processes, though often with slightly different resins.
>
> It was found that better strength, appearance and resin economy could 
> be achieved by using more uniform, manufactured chips. Manufacturers 
> began processing solid birch, beech, alder, pine and spruce into 
> consistent chips and flakes. These finer layers were then placed on 
> the outsides of the board, with the central section composed of 
> coarser, cheaper chips. This type of board is known as three-layer 
> particleboard.
>
> More recently, graded-density particleboard has also evolved. It 
> contains particles that gradually become smaller as they get closer to 
> the surface
>
> In a message dated 3/1/2011 12:50:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> tron400@yahoo.com <mailto:tron400@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>     I was thinking of plywood as solid wood, but of course, it's not.
>     So, when did particle board make its debut?
>
>     Bernie
>
>     --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, lsf5275@... wrote:
>     >
>     > I don't think they were ever made completely of solid wood. I
>     know that
>     > most of the Mellotrons I have seen had plywood lids and front and
>     back panels,
>     > but when I owned 1562, it had front and back panels made of phenolic.
>     >
>     >
>     > In a message dated 3/1/2011 7:47:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>     > tron400@... writes:
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > Frank,
>     >
>     > Based on the hoard of M400's you've restored, can you tell at
>     what point
>     > the cabinets were changed from solid wood to particle board?
>     >
>     > Bernie
>     >
>     > --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:_newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>_
>     > (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>) , lsf5275@ wrote:
>     > >
>     > > Chris,
>     > >
>     > > Yeah, here are a few more photos. It all comes down to what it
>     would
>     > take
>     > > to make it right. Besides, I want to build a cabinet and modify
>     the Tron
>     > a
>     > > bit. It all comes down to its provenance. I won't literally
>     trash the
>     > > cabinet. I'll just store it away. If you look at the following
>     photos,
>     > and if you
>     > > know anything about repairing particle board, you'll see how
>     difficult
>     > the
>     > > repairs will be and that the cabinet will forever more be
>     structurally
>     > > compromised.
>     > >
>     > > Frank
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > I believe the Tron fell forward on its "chin" and caused this
>     break. It
>     > > goes all the way through.
>     > >
>     > > It is worse than you can see here.
>     > >
>     > > Repairing edges and corners is easy. So is reveneering.
>     > >
>     > > As you can see, it is all the way through. You could dig it
>     out, glue
>     > it,
>     > > clamp it and then fill it with Bondo, but it would never be strong.
>     > >
>     > > Notice the crack in the lower left corner of the photo? That
>     goes all
>     > the
>     > > way through as well. You can also see that the corner blocks in
>     the
>     > bottom
>     > > are cracked through.
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > The question becomes, "Where do I put my effort?" Can I fix it?
>     Sure,
>     > and
>     > > I can make the breaks invisible. But the cabinet would always
>     be weak
>     > and
>     > > easily damaged.
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > In a message dated 2/28/2011 4:15:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>     > > fazeka@ writes:
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > Hi Frank,
>     > >
>     > > I'm only referencing pictures, but the current cabinet doesn't
>     look
>     > *too*
>     > > bad. Is there a reason for requiring a new cab?
>     > >
>     > > Chris
>     > >
>     > > --- In __newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:__newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>_
>     > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:_newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>) _
>     > > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:_newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>_
>     > (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>) ) , lsf5275@ wrote:
>     > > >
>     > > <snip>
>     > > > I'm going to build it a new cabinet. The plan for now is to
>     build it
>     > out
>     > > of
>     > > > all MDF or a combination of MDF and Baltic Birch plywood.
>     > >
>     >
>
>

RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron

2011-03-01 by Gary Brumm

Unfortunately just about everything is illegal in some parts of California…..however if you would like to sneak in to the country

we will have a check waiting for you when you get here! The welfare state is broke….imagine that…..guess I’m not paying enough taxes!!

….ok…time for my medication…….

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From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vance Pomeroy
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 2:45 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron

Unfortunately, they are illegal in parts of California

On 3/1/2011 2:23 PM, Gary Brumm wrote:

In California we call these “Presto Logs” and people who can’t start a fire burn them in their fireplace….they will probably

be outlawed soon like everything else here…….

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:17 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron

Modern plywood, as an alternative to natural wood, was invented in the 19th century, but by the end of the 1940s there was not enough lumber around to manufacture plywood affordably. Particleboard was intended to be a replacement. German inventor of particle board was Max Himmelheber. The first commercial piece was produced during World War II at a factory in Bremen, Germany. It used waste material such as planer shavings, offcuts or sawdust, hammer-milled into chips, and bound together with a phenolic resin. Hammer-milling involves smashing material into smaller and smaller pieces until they pass out through a screen. Most other early particleboard manufacturers used similar processes, though often with slightly different resins.

It was found that better strength, appearance and resin economy could be achieved by using more uniform, manufactured chips. Manufacturers began processing solid birch, beech, alder, pine and spruce into consistent chips and flakes. These finer layers were then placed on the outsides of the board, with the central section composed of coarser, cheaper chips. This type of board is known as three-layer particleboard.

More recently, graded-density particleboard has also evolved. It contains particles that gradually become smaller as they get closer to the surface

In a message dated 3/1/2011 12:50:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tron400@yahoo.com writes:

I was thinking of plywood as solid wood, but of course, it's not. So, when did particle board make its debut?

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> I don't think they were ever made completely of solid wood. I know that
> most of the Mellotrons I have seen had plywood lids and front and back panels,
> but when I owned 1562, it had front and back panels made of phenolic.
>
>
> In a message dated 3/1/2011 7:47:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> tron400@... writes:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Frank,
>
> Based on the hoard of M400's you've restored, can you tell at what point
> the cabinets were changed from solid wood to particle board?
>
> Bernie
>
> --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> >
> > Chris,
> >
> > Yeah, here are a few more photos. It all comes down to what it would
> take
> > to make it right. Besides, I want to build a cabinet and modify the Tron
> a
> > bit. It all comes down to its provenance. I won't literally trash the
> > cabinet. I'll just store it away. If you look at the following photos,
> and if you
> > know anything about repairing particle board, you'll see how difficult
> the
> > repairs will be and that the cabinet will forever more be structurally
> > compromised.
> >
> > Frank
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I believe the Tron fell forward on its "chin" and caused this break. It
> > goes all the way through.
> >
> > It is worse than you can see here.
> >
> > Repairing edges and corners is easy. So is reveneering.
> >
> > As you can see, it is all the way through. You could dig it out, glue
> it,
> > clamp it and then fill it with Bondo, but it would never be strong.
> >
> > Notice the crack in the lower left corner of the photo? That goes all
> the
> > way through as well. You can also see that the corner blocks in the
> bottom
> > are cracked through.
> >
> >
> >
> > The question becomes, "Where do I put my effort?" Can I fix it? Sure,
> and
> > I can make the breaks invisible. But the cabinet would always be weak
> and
> > easily damaged.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 2/28/2011 4:15:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > fazeka@ writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Frank,
> >
> > I'm only referencing pictures, but the current cabinet doesn't look
> *too*
> > bad. Is there a reason for requiring a new cab?
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > --- In __newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _
> > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > >
> > <snip>
> > > I'm going to build it a new cabinet. The plan for now is to build it
> out
> > of
> > > all MDF or a combination of MDF and Baltic Birch plywood.
> >
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron

2011-03-01 by lsf5275@aol.com

Except I don't sleep all night... but I do work all day. 
 
 
In a message dated 3/1/2011 3:34:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
john.wright@consona.com writes:

Frank's a  lumberjack and he's  ok!

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron

2011-03-01 by lsf5275@aol.com

That's not polite unless you have enough to share with the group.
 
 
In a message dated 3/1/2011 6:06:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
gabru@comsec.net writes:

….ok…time for  my  medication…….

RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron

2011-03-02 by Bruce Daily

The Larch! 
 
 
 
      .... the LARCH...
 
 
 
 
The Laaarch!
 
 


--- On Tue, 3/1/11, Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net> wrote:
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From: Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net>
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 1, 2011, 3:20 PM


  





He works all night and he sleeps all day…………
 



From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Wright
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:36 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron
 
  



Manufacturers began processing solid birch, beech, alder, pine and spruce and the mighty larch into consistent chips and flakes. These finer layers were then placed on the outsides of the board, with the central section composed of coarser, cheaper chips. This type of board is known as three-layer particleboard.
Frank's a lumberjack and he's ok!
John

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Freddy Fender Mellotron

2011-03-02 by MAinPsych@aol.com

In a message dated 3/1/2011 12:34:55 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
john.wright@consona.com writes:

 
Manufacturers began  processing solid birch, beech, alder, pine and spruce 
and the mighty  larch into consistent  chips and flakes. These finer layers 
were then placed on the outsides of the  board, with the central section 
composed of coarser, cheaper chips. This type  of board is known as three-layer 
particleboard.
Frank's a  lumberjack and he's ok! 
John 



Suspenders, bra, and all!

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