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Tuning issues

2010-10-02 by markpringnz

I've got the old tape rack back on and I have noticed something which seems to me to be odd. The old tape rack at normal speed is slightly sharp whilst the new rack is slightly flat.

I would have thought that there was more friction and possibly stretching of tape which in the old rack which would make it run flat if anything.

Mark

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues

2010-10-02 by Bruce Daily

Hi Mark-
Loved your M300A demo! I like the strings heavy on the reverb too.
Martin will probably clarify this, but the tapes are not stretched. Somewhere I read that in the early '70s the M400 tapes were produced in 2 different locations, resulting in slightly different speeds. The differences are even heard when comparing old frames to the new frames. Weird, huh? God bless the pitch control!
-Bruce D.


--- On Fri, 10/1/10, markpringnz <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:
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From: markpringnz <markpringnz@yahoo.com>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 6:39 PM

I've got the old tape rack back on and I have noticed something which seems to me to be odd. The old tape rack at normal speed is slightly sharp whilst the new rack is slightly flat.

I would have thought that there was more friction and possibly stretching of tape which in the old rack which would make it run flat if anything.

Mark

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues

2010-10-02 by Mark Pring

Thanks Bruce, that is weird. In my case with a CM10 I don't usually bless the pitch control, quite the reverse!

Mark

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--- On Sat, 2/10/10, Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Received: Saturday, 2 October, 2010, 6:19 PM

Hi Mark-
Loved your M300A demo! I like the strings heavy on the reverb too.
Martin will probably clarify this, but the tapes are not stretched. Somewhere I read that in the early '70s the M400 tapes were produced in 2 different locations, resulting in slightly different speeds. The differences are even heard when comparing old frames to the new frames. Weird, huh? God bless the pitch control!
-Bruce D.


--- On Fri, 10/1/10, markpringnz <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: markpringnz <markpringnz@yahoo.com>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 6:39 PM

I've got the old tape rack back on and I have noticed something which seems to me to be odd. The old tape rack at normal speed is slightly sharp whilst the new rack is slightly flat.

I would have thought that there was more friction and possibly stretching of tape which in the old rack which would make it run flat if anything.

Mark


Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues

2010-10-04 by Bruce Daily

Hey Mark-
Ahhh, I see now... The CMC-10 bestows a certain blessing on you! Does the blessing last 15-20 minutes or so?
Which begs the question, is there a patron saint of Mellotronists?
-Bruce D.
(raised Lutheran, but willing to look to my Catholic roots if it will help my tron...)


--- On Fri, 10/1/10, Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:
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From: Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 11:42 PM

Thanks Bruce, that is weird. In my case with a CM10 I don't usually bless the pitch control, quite the reverse!

Mark

--- On Sat, 2/10/10, Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Received: Saturday, 2 October, 2010, 6:19 PM

Hi Mark-
Loved your M300A demo! I like the strings heavy on the reverb too.
Martin will probably clarify this, but the tapes are not stretched. Somewhere I read that in the early '70s the M400 tapes were produced in 2 different locations, resulting in slightly different speeds. The differences are even heard when comparing old frames to the new frames. Weird, huh? God bless the pitch control!
-Bruce D.


--- On Fri, 10/1/10, markpringnz <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: markpringnz <markpringnz@yahoo.com>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 6:39 PM

I've got the old tape rack back on and I have noticed something which seems to me to be odd. The old tape rack at normal speed is slightly sharp whilst the new rack is slightly flat.

I would have thought that there was more friction and possibly stretching of tape which in the old rack which would make it run flat if anything.

Mark



Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues

2010-10-04 by lsf5275@aol.com

Yes,
St. John.
In a message dated 10/4/2010 12:55:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pocotron@yahoo.com writes:
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Which begs the question, is there a patron saint of Mellotronists?

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues

2010-10-04 by william Beith

I know the patron saint of playgrounds is St. Francisis of a SeeSaw

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From: Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 11:55:44 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues

Hey Mark-
Ahhh, I see now... The CMC-10 bestows a certain blessing on you! Does the blessing last 15-20 minutes or so?
Which begs the question, is there a patron saint of Mellotronists?
-Bruce D.
(raised Lutheran, but willing to look to my Catholic roots if it will help my tron...)


--- On Fri, 10/1/10, Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 11:42 PM

Thanks Bruce, that is weird. In my case with a CM10 I don't usually bless the pitch control, quite the reverse!

Mark

--- On Sat, 2/10/10, Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Received: Saturday, 2 October, 2010, 6:19 PM

Hi Mark-
Loved your M300A demo! I like the strings heavy on the reverb too.
Martin will probably clarify this, but the tapes are not stretched. Somewhere I read that in the early '70s the M400 tapes were produced in 2 different locations, resulting in slightly different speeds. The differences are even heard when comparing old frames to the new frames. Weird, huh? God bless the pitch control!
-Bruce D.


--- On Fri, 10/1/10, markpringnz <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: markpringnz <markpringnz@yahoo.com>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 6:39 PM

I've got the old tape rack back on and I have noticed something which seems to me to be odd. The old tape rack at normal speed is slightly sharp whilst the new rack is slightly flat.

I would have thought that there was more friction and possibly stretching of tape which in the old rack which would make it run flat if anything.

Mark




Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues

2010-10-04 by Mark Pring

No it takes 15-20 minutes to take effect, depending on the wind direction, phases of the moon and whether there is an r in the month.

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--- On Mon, 4/10/10, Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Received: Monday, 4 October, 2010, 5:55 PM

Hey Mark-
Ahhh, I see now... The CMC-10 bestows a certain blessing on you! Does the blessing last 15-20 minutes or so?
Which begs the question, is there a patron saint of Mellotronists?
-Bruce D.
(raised Lutheran, but willing to look to my Catholic roots if it will help my tron...)


--- On Fri, 10/1/10, Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 11:42 PM

Thanks Bruce, that is weird. In my case with a CM10 I don't usually bless the pitch control, quite the reverse!

Mark

--- On Sat, 2/10/10, Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Received: Saturday, 2 October, 2010, 6:19 PM

Hi Mark-
Loved your M300A demo! I like the strings heavy on the reverb too.
Martin will probably clarify this, but the tapes are not stretched. Somewhere I read that in the early '70s the M400 tapes were produced in 2 different locations, resulting in slightly different speeds. The differences are even heard when comparing old frames to the new frames. Weird, huh? God bless the pitch control!
-Bruce D.


--- On Fri, 10/1/10, markpringnz <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: markpringnz <markpringnz@yahoo.com>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, October 1, 2010, 6:39 PM

I've got the old tape rack back on and I have noticed something which seems to me to be odd. The old tape rack at normal speed is slightly sharp whilst the new rack is slightly flat.

I would have thought that there was more friction and possibly stretching of tape which in the old rack which would make it run flat if anything.

Mark




Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues

2010-10-04 by Rick Blechta


On Oct 4, 2010, at 12:55 AM, Bruce Daily wrote:

Which begs the question, is there a patron saint of Mellotronists?

St. Martinge of Blithbury. He's also an alternate patron saint of beers and ales.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues

2010-10-05 by Mark Pring

#1565 has it's own personal patron saint, St Jude.


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From: Rick Blechta <rick@rickblechta.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Received: Tuesday, 5 October, 2010, 2:55 AM


On Oct 4, 2010, at 12:55 AM, Bruce Daily wrote:

Which begs the question, is there a patron saint of Mellotronists?

St. Martinge of Blithbury. He's also an alternate patron saint of beers and ales.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues

2010-10-05 by lsf5275@aol.com

Does it spend a lot of time in the hospital?
In a message dated 10/4/2010 10:44:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, markpringnz@yahoo.com writes:
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#1565 has it's own personal patron saint, St Jude.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues

2010-10-05 by Mark Pring

Needs a complete rebuild . Might get round to it when I retire.

St Jude: patron saint of hopeless cases, or in my case a badly warped one.

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From: Rick Blechta <rick@rickblechta.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tuning issues
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Received: Tuesday, 5 October, 2010, 4:13 PM


On Oct 4, 2010, at 11:04 PM, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:

Does it spend a lot of time in the hospital?

No. That would be St. Pancreas.