The Mellotron Group

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "John Wright" <john.wright@...> wrote:
>
> I've seen this person's work on You tube and he does some very nice
> covers IMHO, particularly his cover of Starless.
>
> John
> #911
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ClayE
> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 1:28 PM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] MK-II Violins vs M400 Violins
>
>
>
>
> Here's a guy (Ryder Duncan AKA Squonk06) obsessed with making M-Tron
> digital samples of MK-II Violins sound like M400 Violins. He describes a
> complex three layer, four band, two self parametric EQ process. This
> processing might actually work. It sounds like it does. Kinda hard to
> believe that Les Bradley dicked around with EQ to this extent back in
> 1970.
>
> http://ryderduncan.com/themusicalbox/?p=33&cpage=1#comment-7
>
> Here he is playing M-Tron "violins - 1" (MkII violins)
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YDijelNipw&feature=related
>
> This guy has tron-OCD and clearly needs a real M400. :-)
>

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "ClayE" <ecclesreinson@...> wrote:
>
> It seems strange that he's obsessed with getting the M400 Violin sound when Seven Stones and Starless were recorded with a MK-II. They used a MK-II on Red did they not?
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "John Wright" <john.wright@> wrote:
> >
> > I've seen this person's work on You tube and he does some very nice
> > covers IMHO, particularly his cover of Starless.
> >
> > John
> > #911
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ClayE
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 1:28 PM
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] MK-II Violins vs M400 Violins
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Here's a guy (Ryder Duncan AKA Squonk06) obsessed with making M-Tron
> > digital samples of MK-II Violins sound like M400 Violins. He describes a
> > complex three layer, four band, two self parametric EQ process. This
> > processing might actually work. It sounds like it does. Kinda hard to
> > believe that Les Bradley dicked around with EQ to this extent back in
> > 1970.
> >

----- Original Message -----

From: John Wright

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 2:40 PM

Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MK-II Violins vs M400 Violins

I thought it was the KC black M400, but I may be mistaken

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ClayE
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 2:30 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MK-II Violins vs M400 Violins

It seems strange that he's obsessed with getting the M400 Violin sound when Seven Stones and Starless were recorded with a MK-II. They used a MK-II on Red did they not?

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "John Wright" <john.wright@...> wrote:
>
> I've seen this person's work on You tube and he does some very nice
> covers IMHO, particularly his cover of Starless.
>
> John
> #911
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ClayE
> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 1:28 PM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] MK-II Violins vs M400 Violins
>
>
>
>
> Here's a guy (Ryder Duncan AKA Squonk06) obsessed with making M-Tron
> digital samples of MK-II Violins sound like M400 Violins. He describes a
> complex three layer, four band, two self parametric EQ process. This
> processing might actually work. It sounds like it does. Kinda hard to
> believe that Les Bradley dicked around with EQ to this extent back in
> 1970.
>
> http://ryderduncan.com/themusicalbox/?p=33&cpage=1#comment-7
>
> Here he is playing M-Tron "violins - 1" (MkII violins)
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YDijelNipw&feature=related
>
> This guy has tron-OCD and clearly needs a real M400. :-)
>

>
> Saw the Red tour and having a black M400 myself, that what I remember seeing.
> Could be the Drain Bamage though.
> Tony

----- Original Message -----

From: nickhewitt25

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 7:01 PM

Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MK-II Violins vs M400 Violins

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tony1" <atm655@...> wrote:
>
> Saw the Red tour and having a black M400 myself, that what I remember seeing.
> Could be the Drain Bamage though.
> Tony

As far as I'm aware, there was never such a thing as a "Red" tour. Fripp loved performing in front of an audience, so touring was almost continual, especially USA and Canada.
KC toured in 1969 with at least one Mk2 tron, but the Mark 2 line-up toured with the pair of white M400s, as did the Mark 3 line-up. However, Fripp acquired the black M400 (known as the "Red" or "Starless" tron), and toured with it from early 1974 onwards. David Cross was attired in light clothing and had one of the white M400s, whereas Fripp was dressed in dark/black and used the black M400, so you DID see the black tron.

Nick

>
> I guess I remember it as Red because that song really got my attention.
> David Cross with his white M400, and Fripp with his black M400, it all came together quite nicely.
> Tony

On 17 August 2010 19:29, ClayE <ecclesreinson@rogers.com> wrote:

It seems strange that he's obsessed with getting the M400 Violin sound when Seven Stones and Starless were recorded with a MK-II. They used a MK-II on Red did they not?

----- Original Message -----

From: tony1

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 7:53 PM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MK-II Violins vs M400 Violins

I guess I remember it as red because that song really got my attention.

David Cross with his white M400, and Fripp with his black M400, it all came together quite nicely.

Tony

----- Original Message -----

From: nickhewitt25

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 7:01 PM

Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MK-II Violins vs M400 Violins

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tony1" <atm655@...> wrote:
>
> Saw the Red tour and having a black M400 myself, that what I remember seeing.
> Could be the Drain Bamage though.
> Tony

As far as I'm aware, there was never such a thing as a "Red" tour. Fripp loved performing in front of an audience, so touring was almost continual, especially USA and Canada.
KC toured in 1969 with at least one Mk2 tron, but the Mark 2 line-up toured with the pair of white M400s, as did the Mark 3 line-up. However, Fripp acquired the black M400 (known as the "Red" or "Starless" tron), and toured with it from early 1974 onwards. David Cross was attired in light clothing and had one of the white M400s, whereas Fripp was dressed in dark/black and used the black M400, so you DID see the black tron.

Nick

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "ClayE" <ecclesreinson@...> wrote:
>
> Here's a guy (Ryder Duncan AKA Squonk06) obsessed with making M-Tron digital samples of MK-II Violins sound like M400 Violins. He describes a complex three layer, four band, two self parametric EQ process. This processing might actually work. It sounds like it does. Kinda hard to believe that Les Bradley dicked around with EQ to this extent back in 1970.
>
> http://ryderduncan.com/themusicalbox/?p=33&cpage=1#comment-7
>
> Here he is playing M-Tron "violins - 1" (MkII violins)
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YDijelNipw&feature=related
>
> This guy has tron-OCD and clearly needs a real M400. :-)
>

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "Sean" <fourtytwominds@...> wrote:
>
> His YouTube videos have helped point me in the right direction. I'm stuck with the same M-Tron problems.
>
> Only, I'm MUCH more partial to the MkII sound than the M400 sound.
>
> Probably just as OCD though.
>
> -Sean
>

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--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, djacques@... wrote:
>
> Simple solution. Just get the Mark II 3 Violins tapes for your M400. That's what I have.
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "tronfan66" <mellotron_head@...>
> Sender: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 12:06:49
> To: <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> Reply-To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MK-II Violins vs M400 Violins
>
>
> Same here, when I had the M400 violins I was always trying to get them to sound like the MKII ones. But of course with the re-EQ, and some of the actual notes/recordings not being the same between versions, it was always to no avail!
>
> I wonder if this is also part of what Mike Pinder meant when he described the M400 as being "like a black and white photo of a colourful Mellotron". Circuitry and types of amplification between models aside (though of course they're major factors), maybe that's another reason why he said this, if he'd judged the M400 by the sound of the M400 violins.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I still like the M400 versions - just that to these ears they'll always pale by comparison to the MKII ones.
>
> Hmm, probably a case of OCD here too...
>
>
> Tony Swettenham
>
> http://www.youtube.com/user/tronfan66
>
>
>
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "Sean" <fourtytwominds@> wrote:
> >
> > His YouTube videos have helped point me in the right direction. I'm stuck with the same M-Tron problems.
> >
> > Only, I'm MUCH more partial to the MkII sound than the M400 sound.
> >
> > Probably just as OCD though.
> >
> > -Sean
> >
>

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tronfan66" <mellotron_head@...> wrote:
>
>
> Same here, when I had the M400 violins I was always trying to get them to sound like the MKII ones. But of course with the re-EQ, and some of the actual notes/recordings not being the same between versions, it was always to no avail!
>
> I wonder if this is also part of what Mike Pinder meant when he described the M400 as being "like a black and white photo of a colourful Mellotron". Circuitry and types of amplification between models aside (though of course they're major factors), maybe that's another reason why he said this, if he'd judged the M400 by the sound of the M400 violins.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I still like the M400 versions - just that to these ears they'll always pale by comparison to the MKII ones.
>
> Hmm, probably a case of OCD here too...
>
>
> Tony Swettenham
>
> http://www.youtube.com/user/tronfan66
>
>
>
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "Sean" <fourtytwominds@> wrote:
> >
> > His YouTube videos have helped point me in the right direction. I'm stuck with the same M-Tron problems.
> >
> > Only, I'm MUCH more partial to the MkII sound than the M400 sound.
> >
> > Probably just as OCD though.
> >
> > -Sean
> >
>

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "ClayE" <ecclesreinson@...> wrote:
>
> The comparison mp3 that you posted shows the difference well. I opened your mp3 with Sony Sound Forge and used the spectrum analysis thingy. The MK-II notes have a lot more going on around 1.8 khz than the M400 notes. (8 db more !) The rest of the spectrum looks about the same. No wonder M400 Violins sound a bit thin in the middle.
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tronfan66" <mellotron_head@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Same here, when I had the M400 violins I was always trying to get them to sound like the MKII ones. But of course with the re-EQ, and some of the actual notes/recordings not being the same between versions, it was always to no avail!
> >
> > I wonder if this is also part of what Mike Pinder meant when he described the M400 as being "like a black and white photo of a colourful Mellotron". Circuitry and types of amplification between models aside (though of course they're major factors), maybe that's another reason why he said this, if he'd judged the M400 by the sound of the M400 violins.
> >
> > Don't get me wrong, I still like the M400 versions - just that to these ears they'll always pale by comparison to the MKII ones.
> >
> > Hmm, probably a case of OCD here too...
> >

From: tronfan66 <mellotron_head@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MK-II Violins vs M400 Violins
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, August 21, 2010, 9:44 AM

Thanks Clay, that would make a lot of sense (glad to hear that someone here has given it a listen too! :) ). In both cases I just did a quick recording straight from the outputs of my machine, so you're getting 'the unvarnished truth' so to speak. The fact that you found a lot more going on with the MKII ones pretty much confirms what I've always thought about differences in the overall 'feel' of certain notes.

Interesting that the M400 violins were originally intended to smooth out some of the more strident notes from the MKII versions though - just compare the highest A between both versions and the one on the M400 is *much* more shrill! (It also happens to be the F# closest to it, sped up to A, which strikes me as a bit of a strange choice, but there it is).

Gawd, I'm such an anorak with these things.

Tony

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "ClayE" <ecclesreinson@...> wrote:
>
> The comparison mp3 that you posted shows the difference well. I opened your mp3 with Sony Sound Forge and used the spectrum analysis thingy. The MK-II notes have a lot more going on around 1.8 khz than the M400 notes. (8 db more !) The rest of the spectrum looks about the same. No wonder M400 Violins sound a bit thin in the middle.
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tronfan66" <mellotron_head@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Same here, when I had the M400 violins I was always trying to get them to sound like the MKII ones. But of course with the re-EQ, and some of the actual notes/recordings not being the same between versions, it was always to no avail!
> >
> > I wonder if this is also part of what Mike Pinder meant when he described the M400 as being "like a black and white photo of a colourful Mellotron". Circuitry and types of amplification between models aside (though of course they're major factors), maybe that's another reason why he said this, if he'd judged the M400 by the sound of the M400 violins.
> >
> > Don't get me wrong, I still like the M400 versions - just that to these ears they'll always pale by comparison to the MKII ones.
> >
> > Hmm, probably a case of OCD here too...
> >

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--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, tronbros@... wrote:
>
> That's all very technical Mr Daily. We have the Chamberlin masters that
> Streetly used and I can guarantee that they were not revisited for the M400
> dicking around session. I can understand the eq characteristics and the
> lack of adjustment was probably deliberate to make the MKII Violins sound
> different from Harry's and therefore not obviously a steal! Naughty but nice,
> devious yet delicious.
>
> Best,
>
> M
>
> Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic
> www.mellotronics.co.uk
> NEW for iPad!
> MELLOTRONICS M3000HD
> US Sales East: Jimmy Moore (http://JMoore6397@.../)
> US Sales West: Paul Cox (http://pjc56@.../)
> myspace.com/chloesmithmusic
>
>
>
> In a message dated 23/08/2010 06:44:28 GMT Daylight Time,
> pocotron@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Hi all-
> If the high F# was speeded up to A in production, one explanation for
> the shrill character might be the tape equalization error due to the
> increased speed. More highs would be forced thru the falling characteristic tape
> filter slope.
>
> This leads me to the Mk2/M400 3-violins comparisons. One might also
> want to listen to the 3-violins source for comparison, since the Chamberlin
> set was first. What was the reason for the difference between MK2 and the
> Chamberlin 3-violins sound? The Chamberlin violins were very clear and
> full. One thing I have suuspected is that Streetly recieved master tapes from
> Chamberlin that were recorded stateside using NAB-standard tape
> equalization. If they were played back on a British machine, having a different
> standard (such as NARTB), the result may have caused the "MK2 sound". This is
> just speculation, as most recording engineers at the time would've noticed
> (and dealt with) the EQ difference, or the master tapes would've been
> labeled with the appropriate EQ standard. Maybe Streetly couldn't compensate for
> NAB EQ, and ran the tapes with what they had, causing the EQ error.
> Therefore, the "MK2 3-violins" sound.
> I think the M400 set sounds closer to the Chamberlin set. Maybe, in
> 1971, the right tape EQ was available, and resulted in the M400 set (with some
> other aural "fooling around").
>
> Pure speculation on my part, from an electronics point-of view.
>
> -Bruce Daily
>
>
>
> --- On Sat, 8/21/10, tronfan66 <mellotron_head@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> From: tronfan66 <mellotron_head@...>
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MK-II Violins vs M400 Violins
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, August 21, 2010, 9:44 AM
>
>
>
>
> Thanks Clay, that would make a lot of sense (glad to hear that someone
> here has given it a listen too! :) ). In both cases I just did a quick
> recording straight from the outputs of my machine, so you're getting 'the
> unvarnished truth' so to speak. The fact that you found a lot more going on with
> the MKII ones pretty much confirms what I've always thought about differences
> in the overall 'feel' of certain notes.
>
> Interesting that the M400 violins were originally intended to smooth out
> some of the more strident notes from the MKII versions though - just compare
> the highest A between both versions and the one on the M400 is *much* more
> shrill! (It also happens to be the F# closest to it, sped up to A, which
> strikes me as a bit of a strange choice, but there it is).
>
> Gawd, I'm such an anorak with these things.
>
> Tony
>
> --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (http://us.mc636.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) , "ClayE"
> <ecclesreinson@> wrote:
> >
> > The comparison mp3 that you posted shows the difference well. I opened
> your mp3 with Sony Sound Forge and used the spectrum analysis thingy. The
> MK-II notes have a lot more going on around 1.8 khz than the M400 notes. (8
> db more !) The rest of the spectrum looks about the same. No wonder M400
> Violins sound a bit thin in the middle.
> >
> > --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (http://us.mc636.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) , "tronfan66"
> <mellotron_head@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Same here, when I had the M400 violins I was always trying to get them
> to sound like the MKII ones. But of course with the re-EQ, and some of the
> actual notes/recordings not being the same between versions, it was always
> to no avail!
> > >
> > > I wonder if this is also part of what Mike Pinder meant when he
> described the M400 as being "like a black and white photo of a colourful
> Mellotron". Circuitry and types of amplification between models aside (though of
> course they're major factors), maybe that's another reason why he said this,
> if he'd judged the M400 by the sound of the M400 violins.
> > >
> > > Don't get me wrong, I still like the M400 versions - just that to
> these ears they'll always pale by comparison to the MKII ones.
> > >
> > > Hmm, probably a case of OCD here too...
> > >
>

From: tronbros@aol.com <tronbros@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MK-II Violins vs M400 Violins
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 3:55 AM

That's all very technical Mr Daily. We have the Chamberlin masters that Streetly used and I can guarantee that they were not revisited for the M400 dicking around session. I can understand the eq characteristics and the lack of adjustment was probably deliberate to make the MKII Violins sound different from Harry's and therefore not obviously a steal! Naughty but nice, devious yet delicious.

Best,

M

Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic
www.mellotronics.co.uk
NEW for iPad! MELLOTRONICS M3000HD
US Sales East: Jimmy Moore
US Sales West: Paul Cox
myspace.com/chloesmithmusic

In a message dated 23/08/2010 06:44:28 GMT Daylight Time, pocotron@yahoo.com writes:

Hi all-

If the high F# was speeded up to A in production, one explanation for the shrill character might be the tape equalization error due to the increased speed. More highs would be forced thru the falling characteristic tape filter slope.

This leads me to the Mk2/M400 3-violins comparisons. One might also want to listen to the 3-violins source for comparison, since the Chamberlin set was first. What was the reason for the difference between MK2 and the Chamberlin 3-violins sound? The Chamberlin violins were very clear and full. One thing I have suuspected is that Streetly recieved master tapes from Chamberlin that were recorded stateside using NAB-standard tape equalization. If they were played back on a British machine, having a different standard (such as NARTB), the result may have caused the "MK2 sound". This is just speculation, as most recording engineers at the time would've noticed (and dealt with) the EQ difference, or the master tapes would've been labeled with the appropriate EQ standard. Maybe Streetly couldn't compensate for NAB EQ, and ran the tapes with what they had, causing the EQ error. Therefore, the "MK2 3-violins" sound.

I think the M400 set sounds closer to the Chamberlin set. Maybe, in 1971, the right tape EQ was available, and resulted in the M400 set (with some other aural "fooling around").

Pure speculation on my part, from an electronics point-of view.

-Bruce Daily

--- On Sat, 8/21/10, tronfan66 <mellotron_head@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

From: tronfan66 <mellotron_head@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: MK-II Violins vs M400 Violins
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, August 21, 2010, 9:44 AM

Thanks Clay, that would make a lot of sense (glad to hear that someone here has given it a listen too! :) ). In both cases I just did a quick recording straight from the outputs of my machine, so you're getting 'the unvarnished truth' so to speak. The fact that you found a lot more going on with the MKII ones pretty much confirms what I've always thought about differences in the overall 'feel' of certain notes.

Interesting that the M400 violins were originally intended to smooth out some of the more strident notes from the MKII versions though - just compare the highest A between both versions and the one on the M400 is *much* more shrill! (It also happens to be the F# closest to it, sped up to A, which strikes me as a bit of a strange choice, but there it is).

Gawd, I'm such an anorak with these things.

Tony

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "ClayE" <ecclesreinson@...> wrote:
>
> The comparison mp3 that you posted shows the difference well. I opened your mp3 with Sony Sound Forge and used the spectrum analysis thingy. The MK-II notes have a lot more going on around 1.8 khz than the M400 notes. (8 db more !) The rest of the spectrum looks about the same. No wonder M400 Violins sound a bit thin in the middle.
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tronfan66" <mellotron_head@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Same here, when I had the M400 violins I was always trying to get them to sound like the MKII ones. But of course with the re-EQ, and some of the actual notes/recordings not being the same between versions, it was always to no avail!
> >
> > I wonder if this is also part of what Mike Pinder meant when he described the M400 as being "like a black and white photo of a colourful Mellotron". Circuitry and types of amplification between models aside (though of course they're major factors), maybe that's another reason why he said this, if he'd judged the M400 by the sound of the M400 violins.
> >
> > Don't get me wrong, I still like the M400 versions - just that to these ears they'll always pale by comparison to the MKII ones.
> >
> > Hmm, probably a case of OCD here too...
> >

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, tronbros@... wrote:
>
> Hi Bernie and all,
>
> Yes, we can supply all the sounds from the 600 MusicMaster. We just
> don't! But will. Ask and ye shall recieve.
>
> Best,
>
> M
> Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic
> www.mellotronics.co.uk
> NEW for iPad!
> MELLOTRONICS M3000HD
> US Sales East: Jimmy Moore (http://JMoore6397@.../)
> US Sales West: Paul Cox (http://pjc56@.../)
> myspace.com/chloesmithmusic
>
>
> In a message dated 23/08/2010 12:13:06 GMT Daylight Time, tron400@...
> writes:
>
> If you have Chamberlin masters, does that mean you can supply frames with
> Chamberlin sounds?
>

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Chamberlin 600 tape set

Track A Track B Track C

1. Guitar Vibes Organ
2. Violins Clarinet Organ
3. Piano Male Voice Organ
4. Mute Trombone 4 Sax Mute Trumpet
5. Open Trombone Alto Sax Open Trumpet
6. Accordian Mandolin Marimba