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Re: Child Prodigy

RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Child Prodigy

2010-08-12 by Ms. Janet Strauss

Was this the girl that made national news tonight?….awesome voice ..hard to believe it came from her.

Extraordinary.

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From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 12:48 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Child Prodigy

Once in a lifetime you might be lucky enough to see talent this great.

9 years old when she sang this.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....

2010-08-12 by lsf5275@aol.com

I love soaring. Blaniks are quite popular here in Virginia. Awesome videos.
In a message dated 8/11/2010 10:01:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jandjstrz@verizon.net writes:
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…the view is tremendous.

The soundtrack music isn’t too bad either (sorry no ‘tron)

enjoy the scenery……: )

http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related

http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related

_Jim & Janet

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Child Prodigy

2010-08-12 by lsf5275@aol.com

She is the one.
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Was this the girl that made national news tonight?….awesome voice ..hard to believe it came from her.

Extraordinary.

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From: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:newmellotro ngroup@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol. com
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 12:48 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Child Prodigy

Once in a lifetime you might be lucky enough to see talent this great.

9 years old when she sang this.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....

2010-08-12 by Pomeroy RH Ranch

Extra Cool - we have one of the more popular glider ports in So Calif a few miles away. The only real way to know when they're close is hearing the tow plane when it veers off after disconnect. I've been buzzed while hiking in the San Gabriel Mtns behind us by some pretty ballsy pilots - but this was something else...
Vance

lsf5275@aol.com wrote:
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I love soaring. Blaniks are quite popular here in Virginia. Awesome videos.
In a message dated 8/11/2010 10:01:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jandjstrz@verizon. net writes:

…the view is tremendous.

The soundtrack music isn’t too bad either (sorry no ‘tron)

enjoy the scenery……: )

http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related

http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related

_Jim & Janet

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....

2010-08-12 by tony1


I was a solo "glider guider" at age 14. I had a total of 4 1/2 hours of instructor time before my release, while most adults require 24+ hours in an instructor enviroment.
Doesn't hurt to have had a former WW2 fighter pilot father (P-51s), who kept flying his own aircraft until a year before ALS killed him at age 78.
It's a wonderful experience and a lot like driving the race cars I enjoy (Formula One car next month), with the exception of having to get the aircraft on the ground in one piece on the first try.
No "go arounds" in an unpowered plane!
Try it you'll like it!
Tony1
PS bring a FAT wallet.
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Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....

Extra Cool - we have one of the more popular glider ports in So Calif a few miles away. The only real way to know when they're close is hearing the tow plane when it veers off after disconnect. I've been buzzed while hiking in the San Gabriel Mtns behind us by some pretty ballsy pilots - but this was something else...
Vance

lsf5275@aol. com wrote:

I love soaring. Blaniks are quite popular here in Virginia. Awesome videos.
In a message dated 8/11/2010 10:01:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jandjstrz@verizon. net writes:

…the view is tremendous.

The soundtrack music isn’t too bad either (sorry no ‘tron)

enjoy the scenery……: )

http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related

http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related

_Jim & Janet

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....

2010-08-12 by tony1


A quick clarification on the videos.
Those aircraft are sailplanes, I flew gliders.
The difference is the lift over drag ratio.
Gliders are 15-1 or less, which means for every 15'of foward motion you lose 1'.
A sailplane has a L/D of 15+-1, more like 35 to 45-1, and the Germans make the finest sailplanes in the world.
A lot had to do with post WW1 ban on powered flight, so the Germans (including my primary instructor) learned to fly by being pushed off a mountain!
Tony1
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From: tony1
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 8:51 AM
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I was a solo "glider guider" at age 14. I had a total of 4 1/2 hours of instructor time before my release, while most adults require 24+ hours in an instructor enviroment.
Doesn't hurt to have had a former WW2 fighter pilot father (P-51s), who kept flying his own aircraft until a year before ALS killed him at age 78.
It's a wonderful experience and a lot like driving the race cars I enjoy (Formula One car next month), with the exception of having to get the aircraft on the ground in one piece on the first try.
No "go arounds" in an unpowered plane!
Try it you'll like it!
Tony1
PS bring a FAT wallet.
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Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....

Extra Cool - we have one of the more popular glider ports in So Calif a few miles away. The only real way to know when they're close is hearing the tow plane when it veers off after disconnect. I've been buzzed while hiking in the San Gabriel Mtns behind us by some pretty ballsy pilots - but this was something else...
Vance

lsf5275@aol. com wrote:

I love soaring. Blaniks are quite popular here in Virginia. Awesome videos.
In a message dated 8/11/2010 10:01:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jandjstrz@verizon. net writes:

…the view is tremendous.

The soundtrack music isn’t too bad either (sorry no ‘tron)

enjoy the scenery……: )

http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related

http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related

_Jim & Janet

RE: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....

2010-08-13 by Ms. Janet Strauss

Soarers: “Green Air!”

Skydivers: “Blueskies!”

Combining the two….priceless!

-----Original Message-----
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pomeroy RH Ranch
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:41 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....

Extra Cool - we have one of the more popular glider ports in So Calif a few miles away. The only real way to know when they're close is hearing the tow plane when it veers off after disconnect. I've been buzzed while hiking in the San Gabriel Mtns behind us by some pretty ballsy pilots - but this was something else...
Vance

lsf5275@aol. com wrote:

I love soaring. Blaniks are quite popular here in Virginia. Awesome videos.

In a message dated 8/11/2010 10:01:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jandjstrz@verizon. net writes:

…the view is tremendous.

The soundtrack music isn’t too bad either (sorry no ‘tron)

enjoy the scenery……: )

http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related

http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related

_Jim & Janet

RE: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....

2010-08-13 by Ms. Janet Strauss

P 51!

……………….“Cadillac of the Skies!”

-----Original Message-----
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tony1
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 8:52 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....



I was a solo "glider guider" at age 14. I had a total of 4 1/2 hours of instructor time before my release, while most adults require 24+ hours in an instructor enviroment.

Doesn't hurt to have had a former WW2 fighter pilot father (P-51s), who kept flying his own aircraft until a year before ALS killed him at age 78.

It's a wonderful experience and a lot like driving the race cars I enjoy (Formula One car next month), with the exception of having to get the aircraft on the ground in one piece on the first try.

No "go arounds" in an unpowered plane!

Try it you'll like it!

Tony1

PS bring a FAT wallet.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:41 PM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....

Extra Cool - we have one of the more popular glider ports in So Calif a few miles away. The only real way to know when they're close is hearing the tow plane when it veers off after disconnect. I've been buzzed while hiking in the San Gabriel Mtns behind us by some pretty ballsy pilots - but this was something else...
Vance

lsf5275@aol. com wrote:

I love soaring. Blaniks are quite popular here in Virginia. Awesome videos.

In a message dated 8/11/2010 10:01:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jandjstrz@verizon. net writes:

…the view is tremendous.

The soundtrack music isn’t too bad either (sorry no ‘tron)

enjoy the scenery……: )

http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related

http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related

_Jim & Janet

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....

2010-08-13 by tony1


Thank you kindly!
Dad, a friend of his, a friend of mine and I attended the largest gathering of P-51s in Kissimme, Fl in the Spring of 98. There were 163 present and all in flying condition.
He was on the ship home to form the AAC's first jet figter when news of the German surrender occured.
Was to have flow the P-80 which as it turns out wasn't mich of an aircraft, IE non delta wing for one.
15th Air Force, 352nd fighter group, 4th squadron, Naples Italy
Hell of a man like most WW2 veterans. Naturally I'm biased and I miss him everyday.
Tony
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Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 9:51 PM
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....

P 51!

……………….“Cadillac of the Skies!”

-----Original Message-----
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tony1
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 8:52 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....



I was a solo "glider guider" at age 14. I had a total of 4 1/2 hours of instructor time before my release, while most adults require 24+ hours in an instructor enviroment.

Doesn't hurt to have had a former WW2 fighter pilot father (P-51s), who kept flying his own aircraft until a year before ALS killed him at age 78.

It's a wonderful experience and a lot like driving the race cars I enjoy (Formula One car next month), with the exception of having to get the aircraft on the ground in one piece on the first try.

No "go arounds" in an unpowered plane!

Try it you'll like it!

Tony1

PS bring a FAT wallet.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:41 PM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....

Extra Cool - we have one of the more popular glider ports in So Calif a few miles away. The only real way to know when they're close is hearing the tow plane when it veers off after disconnect. I've been buzzed while hiking in the San Gabriel Mtns behind us by some pretty ballsy pilots - but this was something else...
Vance

lsf5275@aol. com wrote:

I love soaring. Blaniks are quite popular here in Virginia. Awesome videos.

In a message dated 8/11/2010 10:01:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jandjstrz@verizon. net writes:

…the view is tremendous.

The soundtrack music isn’t too bad either (sorry no ‘tron)

enjoy the scenery……: )

http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related

http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related

_Jim & Janet

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2010-08-13 by tony1


Sorry "first jet fighter wing".
He was called up for the Korean conflict, but had a business to run and declinded.
The famous F-86 Sabre would have been his aircraft.
The Mig 15's were no pushovers and had a lot of experienced Russian pilots flying them.
Glad he stayed as I might not been born.
Tony
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Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 11:16 PM
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Thank you kindly!
Dad, a friend of his, a friend of mine and I attended the largest gathering of P-51s in Kissimme, Fl in the Spring of 98. There were 163 present and all in flying condition.
He was on the ship home to form the AAC's first jet figter when news of the German surrender occured.
Was to have flow the P-80 which as it turns out wasn't mich of an aircraft, IE non delta wing for one.
15th Air Force, 352nd fighter group, 4th squadron, Naples Italy
Hell of a man like most WW2 veterans. Naturally I'm biased and I miss him everyday.
Tony
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 9:51 PM
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....

P 51!

……………….“Cadillac of the Skies!”

-----Original Message-----
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tony1
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 8:52 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....



I was a solo "glider guider" at age 14. I had a total of 4 1/2 hours of instructor time before my release, while most adults require 24+ hours in an instructor enviroment.

Doesn't hurt to have had a former WW2 fighter pilot father (P-51s), who kept flying his own aircraft until a year before ALS killed him at age 78.

It's a wonderful experience and a lot like driving the race cars I enjoy (Formula One car next month), with the exception of having to get the aircraft on the ground in one piece on the first try.

No "go arounds" in an unpowered plane!

Try it you'll like it!

Tony1

PS bring a FAT wallet.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:41 PM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....

Extra Cool - we have one of the more popular glider ports in So Calif a few miles away. The only real way to know when they're close is hearing the tow plane when it veers off after disconnect. I've been buzzed while hiking in the San Gabriel Mtns behind us by some pretty ballsy pilots - but this was something else...
Vance

lsf5275@aol. com wrote:

I love soaring. Blaniks are quite popular here in Virginia. Awesome videos.

In a message dated 8/11/2010 10:01:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jandjstrz@verizon. net writes:

…the view is tremendous.

The soundtrack music isn’t too bad either (sorry no ‘tron)

enjoy the scenery……: )

http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related

http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related

_Jim & Janet

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....

2010-08-13 by Pomeroy RH Ranch

Tony -
Great story! My grandfather was a piggyback test engineer in the P-38 for Lockheed back in the day. My namesake's father was Lockheed test pilot Milo Burcham who lost his life in a crash testing the P-80 http://www.godickson.com/Milo_Burcham.htm.
Lots of guts those men among men.
Vance

tony1 wrote:
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Thank you kindly!
Dad, a friend of his, a friend of mine and I attended the largest gathering of P-51s in Kissimme, Fl in the Spring of 98. There were 163 present and all in flying condition.
He was on the ship home to form the AAC's first jet figter when news of the German surrender occured.
Was to have flow the P-80 which as it turns out wasn't mich of an aircraft, IE non delta wing for one.
15th Air Force, 352nd fighter group, 4th squadron, Naples Italy
Hell of a man like most WW2 veterans. Naturally I'm biased and I miss him everyday.
Tony
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 9:51 PM
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....

P 51!

……………….“Cadillac of the Skies!”

-----Original Message-----
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tony1
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 8:52 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....



I was a solo "glider guider" at age 14. I had a total of 4 1/2 hours of instructor time before my release, while most adults require 24+ hours in an instructor enviroment.

Doesn't hurt to have had a former WW2 fighter pilot father (P-51s), who kept flying his own aircraft until a year before ALS killed him at age 78.

It's a wonderful experience and a lot like driving the race cars I enjoy (Formula One car next month), with the exception of having to get the aircraft on the ground in one piece on the first try.

No "go arounds" in an unpowered plane!

Try it you'll like it!

Tony1

PS bring a FAT wallet.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:41 PM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....

Extra Cool - we have one of the more popular glider ports in So Calif a few miles away. The only real way to know when they're close is hearing the tow plane when it veers off after disconnect. I've been buzzed while hiking in the San Gabriel Mtns behind us by some pretty ballsy pilots - but this was something else...
Vance

lsf5275@aol. com wrote:

I love soaring. Blaniks are quite popular here in Virginia. Awesome videos.

In a message dated 8/11/2010 10:01:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jandjstrz@verizon. net writes:

…the view is tremendous.

The soundtrack music isn’t too bad either (sorry no ‘tron)

enjoy the scenery……: )

http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related

http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related

_Jim & Janet

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....

2010-08-13 by tony1


Vance,
Very interesting and informative.
Dad had his choice of the P-38 or the 51, he told me he thought he be warmer in the 51, true story!
With a 1700 HP, Rolls-Royce/Merlin whirring away in front of you sure did help, he told me.
He was always fit and I genuinely believe him, at those altitudes the temps were and are in the minus 40-60F range.
Imagine that for 8 hours or so and the constant threat of anti-aircraft fire, fighters, all at age 21!
Tony
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Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....

Tony -
Great story! My grandfather was a piggyback test engineer in the P-38 for Lockheed back in the day. My namesake's father was Lockheed test pilot Milo Burcham who lost his life in a crash testing the P-80 http://www.godickson.com/Milo_Burcham.htm.
Lots of guts those men among men.
Vance

tony1 wrote:



Thank you kindly!
Dad, a friend of his, a friend of mine and I attended the largest gathering of P-51s in Kissimme, Fl in the Spring of 98. There were 163 present and all in flying condition.
He was on the ship home to form the AAC's first jet figter when news of the German surrender occured.
Was to have flow the P-80 which as it turns out wasn't mich of an aircraft, IE non delta wing for one.
15th Air Force, 352nd fighter group, 4th squadron, Naples Italy
Hell of a man like most WW2 veterans. Naturally I'm biased and I miss him everyday.
Tony
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 9:51 PM
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....

P 51!

……………….“Cadillac of the Skies!”

-----Original Message-----
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tony1
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 8:52 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....



I was a solo "glider guider" at age 14. I had a total of 4 1/2 hours of instructor time before my release, while most adults require 24+ hours in an instructor enviroment.

Doesn't hurt to have had a former WW2 fighter pilot father (P-51s), who kept flying his own aircraft until a year before ALS killed him at age 78.

It's a wonderful experience and a lot like driving the race cars I enjoy (Formula One car next month), with the exception of having to get the aircraft on the ground in one piece on the first try.

No "go arounds" in an unpowered plane!

Try it you'll like it!

Tony1

PS bring a FAT wallet.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:41 PM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....

Extra Cool - we have one of the more popular glider ports in So Calif a few miles away. The only real way to know when they're close is hearing the tow plane when it veers off after disconnect. I've been buzzed while hiking in the San Gabriel Mtns behind us by some pretty ballsy pilots - but this was something else...
Vance

lsf5275@aol. com wrote:

I love soaring. Blaniks are quite popular here in Virginia. Awesome videos.

In a message dated 8/11/2010 10:01:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jandjstrz@verizon. net writes:

…the view is tremendous.

The soundtrack music isn’t too bad either (sorry no ‘tron)

enjoy the scenery……: )

http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related

http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related

_Jim & Janet

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....

2010-08-13 by lsf5275@aol.com

This is great! I never knew that there were so many people interested in flight in this group. I have been flying all of my life, both full scale and models.
In a message dated 8/13/2010 12:25:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, atm655@verizon.net writes:
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Vance,
Very interesting and informative.
Dad had his choice of the P-38 or the 51, he told me he thought he be warmer in the 51, true story!
With a 1700 HP, Rolls-Royce/Merlin whirring away in front of you sure did help, he told me.
He was always fit and I genuinely believe him, at those altitudes the temps were and are in the minus 40-60F range.
Imagine that for 8 hours or so and the constant threat of anti-aircraft fire, fighters, all at age 21!
Tony
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....

Tony -
Great story! My grandfather was a piggyback test engineer in the P-38 for Lockheed back in the day. My namesake's father was Lockheed test pilot Milo Burcham who lost his life in a crash testing the P-80 http://www.godickson.com/Milo_Burcham.htm.
Lots of guts those men among men.
Vance

tony1 wrote:



Thank you kindly!
Dad, a friend of his, a friend of mine and I attended the largest gathering of P-51s in Kissimme, Fl in the Spring of 98. There were 163 present and all in flying condition.
He was on the ship home to form the AAC's first jet figter when news of the German surrender occured.
Was to have flow the P-80 which as it turns out wasn't mich of an aircraft, IE non delta wing for one.
15th Air Force, 352nd fighter group, 4th squadron, Naples Italy
Hell of a man like most WW2 veterans. Naturally I'm biased and I miss him everyday.
Tony
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 9:51 PM
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....

P 51!

……………….“Cadillac of the Skies!”

-----Original Message-----
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tony1
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 8:52 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....



I was a solo "glider guider" at age 14. I had a total of 4 1/2 hours of instructor time before my release, while most adults require 24+ hours in an instructor enviroment.

Doesn't hurt to have had a former WW2 fighter pilot father (P-51s), who kept flying his own aircraft until a year before ALS killed him at age 78.

It's a wonderful experience and a lot like driving the race cars I enjoy (Formula One car next month), with the exception of having to get the aircraft on the ground in one piece on the first try.

No "go arounds" in an unpowered plane!

Try it you'll like it!

Tony1

PS bring a FAT wallet.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:41 PM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....

Extra Cool - we have one of the more popular glider ports in So Calif a few miles away. The only real way to know when they're close is hearing the tow plane when it veers off after disconnect. I've been buzzed while hiking in the San Gabriel Mtns behind us by some pretty ballsy pilots - but this was something else...
Vance

lsf5275@aol. com wrote:

I love soaring. Blaniks are quite popular here in Virginia. Awesome videos.

In a message dated 8/11/2010 10:01:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jandjstrz@verizon. net writes:

…the view is tremendous.

The soundtrack music isn’t too bad either (sorry no ‘tron)

enjoy the scenery……: )

http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related

http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related

_Jim & Janet

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2010-08-13 by doctorwho8@aol.com

Maybe a new group can be spun off: The Mellotron Flyers Club.
Bill "the Doctor" Rudloff

In a message dated 8/13/10 1:05:04 AM, lsf5275@aol.com writes:


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This is great! I never knew that there were so many people interested in flight in this group. I have been flying all of my life, both full scale and models.

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2010-08-13 by lsf5275@aol.com

You can't fly a Mellotron.
In a message dated 8/13/2010 2:07:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, doctorwho8@aol.com writes:
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Maybe a new group can be spun off: The Mellotron Flyers Club.
Bill "the Doctor" Rudloff

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2010-08-13 by Gary Brumm

Me too!.......I used to own an avionics shop and was partners in a Robinson helicopter dealership. Up until the last couple

of years I was at the Reno air races watching the P-51s race every year. I always wanted to fly gliders but never did….soaring

looks like a lot of fun….maybe one of these day I’ll give it a try……..

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This is great! I never knew that there were so many people interested in flight in this group. I have been flying all of my life, both full scale and models.

In a message dated 8/13/2010 12:25:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, atm655@verizon.net writes:



Vance,

Very interesting and informative.

Dad had his choice of the P-38 or the 51, he told me he thought he be warmer in the 51, true story!

With a 1700 HP, Rolls-Royce/Merlin whirring away in front of you sure did help, he told me.

He was always fit and I genuinely believe him, at those altitudes the temps were and are in the minus 40-60F range.

Imagine that for 8 hours or so and the constant threat of anti-aircraft fire, fighters, all at age 21!

Tony

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Tony -
Great story! My grandfather was a piggyback test engineer in the P-38 for Lockheed back in the day. My namesake's father was Lockheed test pilot Milo Burcham who lost his life in a crash testing the P-80 http://www.godickson.com/Milo_Burcham.htm.
Lots of guts those men among men.
Vance

tony1 wrote:



Thank you kindly!

Dad, a friend of his, a friend of mine and I attended the largest gathering of P-51s in Kissimme, Fl in the Spring of 98. There were 163 present and all in flying condition.

He was on the ship home to form the AAC's first jet figter when news of the German surrender occured.

Was to have flow the P-80 which as it turns out wasn't mich of an aircraft, IE non delta wing for one.

15th Air Force, 352nd fighter group, 4th squadron, Naples Italy

Hell of a man like most WW2 veterans. Naturally I'm biased and I miss him everyday.

Tony

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Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 9:51 PM

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P 51!

……………….“Cadillac of the Skies!”

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I was a solo "glider guider" at age 14. I had a total of 4 1/2 hours of instructor time before my release, while most adults require 24+ hours in an instructor enviroment.

Doesn't hurt to have had a former WW2 fighter pilot father (P-51s), who kept flying his own aircraft until a year before ALS killed him at age 78.

It's a wonderful experience and a lot like driving the race cars I enjoy (Formula One car next month), with the exception of having to get the aircraft on the ground in one piece on the first try.

No "go arounds" in an unpowered plane!

Try it you'll like it!

Tony1

PS bring a FAT wallet.

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Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:41 PM

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Extra Cool - we have one of the more popular glider ports in So Calif a few miles away. The only real way to know when they're close is hearing the tow plane when it veers off after disconnect. I've been buzzed while hiking in the San Gabriel Mtns behind us by some pretty ballsy pilots - but this was something else...
Vance

lsf5275@aol.com wrote:

I love soaring. Blaniks are quite popular here in Virginia. Awesome videos.

In a message dated 8/11/2010 10:01:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jandjstrz@verizon.net writes:

…the view is tremendous.

The soundtrack music isn’t too bad either (sorry no ‘tron)

enjoy the scenery……: )

http://www.youtube.com/...&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/...&feature=related

_Jim & Janet

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2010-08-13 by David Jacques

I got my flying license in 1985.... Loved flying.... but have nit flown in 1o years.


On Aug 13, 2010, at 8:58 AM, Gary Brumm wrote:


Me too!.......I used to own an avionics shop and was partners in a Robinson helicopter dealership. Up until the last couple

of years I was at the Reno air races watching the P-51s race every year. I always wanted to fly gliders but never did….soaring

looks like a lot of fun….maybe one of these day I’ll give it a try……..

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This is great! I never knew that there were so many people interested in flight in this group. I have been flying all of my life, both full scale and models.

In a message dated 8/13/2010 12:25:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, atm655@verizon.net writes:



Vance,

Very interesting and informative.

Dad had his choice of the P-38 or the 51, he told me he thought he be warmer in the 51, true story!

With a 1700 HP, Rolls-Royce/Merlin whirring away in front of you sure did help, he told me.

He was always fit and I genuinely believe him, at those altitudes the temps were and are in the minus 40-60F range.

Imagine that for 8 hours or so and the constant threat of anti-aircraft fire, fighters, all at age 21!

Tony

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Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 11:38 PM

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Tony -
Great story! My grandfather was a piggyback test engineer in the P-38 for Lockheed back in the day. My namesake's father was Lockheed test pilot Milo Burcham who lost his life in a crash testing the P-80 http://www.godickson.com/Milo_Burcham.htm.
Lots of guts those men among men.
Vance

tony1 wrote:



Thank you kindly!

Dad, a friend of his, a friend of mine and I attended the largest gathering of P-51s in Kissimme, Fl in the Spring of 98. There were 163 present and all in flying condition.

He was on the ship home to form the AAC's first jet figter when news of the German surrender occured.

Was to have flow the P-80 which as it turns out wasn't mich of an aircraft, IE non delta wing for one.

15th Air Force, 352nd fighter group, 4th squadron, Naples Italy

Hell of a man like most WW2 veterans. Naturally I'm biased and I miss him everyday.

Tony

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Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 9:51 PM

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P 51!

……………….“Cadillac of the Skies!”

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From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tony1
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 8:52 AM
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I was a solo "glider guider" at age 14. I had a total of 4 1/2 hours of instructor time before my release, while most adults require 24+ hours in an instructor enviroment.

Doesn't hurt to have had a former WW2 fighter pilot father (P-51s), who kept flying his own aircraft until a year before ALS killed him at age 78.

It's a wonderful experience and a lot like driving the race cars I enjoy (Formula One car next month), with the exception of having to get the aircraft on the ground in one piece on the first try.

No "go arounds" in an unpowered plane!

Try it you'll like it!

Tony1

PS bring a FAT wallet.

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Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:41 PM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....

Extra Cool - we have one of the more popular glider ports in So Calif a few miles away. The only real way to know when they're close is hearing the tow plane when it veers off after disconnect. I've been buzzed while hiking in the San Gabriel Mtns behind us by some pretty ballsy pilots - but this was something else...
Vance

lsf5275@aol.com wrote:

I love soaring. Blaniks are quite popular here in Virginia. Awesome videos.

In a message dated 8/11/2010 10:01:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jandjstrz@verizon.net writes:

…the view is tremendous.

The soundtrack music isn’t too bad either (sorry no ‘tron)

enjoy the scenery……: )

http://www.youtube.com/...&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/...&feature=related

_Jim & Janet



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2010-08-13 by Nic Lewis


At 02:51 13/08/2010, you wrote:


P 51!



……………….“Cadillac of the Skies!”

Maybe more like the Ford Mustang of the skies (which incidentally was named after the aircraft so maybe that is all backward!)




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ouJ_WyS9v8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfigpjOTZvs







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I was a solo "glider guider" at age 14. I had a total of 4 1/2 hours of instructor time before my release, while most adults require 24+ hours in an instructor enviroment.

Doesn't hurt to have had a former WW2 fighter pilot father (P-51s), who kept flying his own aircraft until a year before ALS killed him at age 78.

It's a wonderful experience and a lot like driving the race cars I enjoy (Formula One car next month), with the exception of having to get the aircraft on the ground in one piece on the first try.

No "go arounds" in an unpowered plane!



Try it you'll like it!



Tony1

PS bring a FAT wallet.



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To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:41 PM

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Extra Cool - we have one of the more popular glider ports in So Calif a few miles away. The only real way to know when they're close is hearing the tow plane when it veers off after disconnect. I've been buzzed while hiking in the San Gabriel Mtns behind us by some pretty ballsy pilots - but this was something else...
Vance

lsf5275@aol.com wrote:



I love soaring. Blaniks are quite popular here in Virginia. Awesome videos.



In a message dated 8/11/2010 10:01:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jandjstrz@verizon.net writes:



…the view is tremendous.



The soundtrack music isn’t too bad either (sorry no ‘tron)



enjoy the scenery……: )
>





http://www.youtube.com/...&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/...&feature=related







_ Jim & Janet

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2010-08-13 by Nic Lewis


At 04:16 13/08/2010, you wrote:


Definitely lots of aviation interest here. I have the honour of being the secretary of my late father's RAF Lancaster Bomber Squadron. They always envied the glorious 8th USAAF who had their Mustang escorts often all the way to the target and back. Ironically the Mustang was the outcome of an RAF purchasing commission in the States. The very first ones were built on an RAF contract (NA-73X was the model number at that point - named Mustang Mk1 in Britain) but the USAAF soon caught on what a great aeroplane it was and effectively kept it for themselves because production capacity was reached building those ordered by the USAAF. Who could blame them? Oh on a technical note - virtually all Mustangs were powered by the Packard Merlin built under licence from Rolls Royce. Without the Merlins built under licence the RAF would never have had all the Lancasters built in Canada under licence.



Thank you kindly!
Dad, a friend of his, a friend of mine and I attended the largest gathering of P-51s in Kissimme, Fl in the Spring of 98. There were 163 present and all in flying condition.
He was on the ship home to form the AAC's first jet figter when news of the German surrender occured.
Was to have flow the P-80 which as it turns out wasn't mich of an aircraft, IE non delta wing for one.
15th Air Force, 352nd fighter group, 4th squadron, Naples Italy
Hell of a man like most WW2 veterans. Naturally I'm biased and I miss him everyday.

Tony

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P 51!



……………….“¦â€¦.“Cadillac of the Skies!”



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ouJ_WyS9v8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfigpjOTZvs







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I was a solo "glider guider" at age 14. I had a total of 4 1/2 hours of instructor time before my release, while most adults require 24+ hours in an instructor enviroment.

Doesn't hurt to have had a former WW2 fighter pilot father (P-51s), who kept flying his own aircraft until a year before ALS killed him at age 78.

It's a wonderful experience and a lot like driving the race cars I enjoy (Formula One car next month), with the exception of having to get the aircraft on the ground in one piece on the first try.

No "go arounds" in an unpowered plane!



Try it you'll like it!



Tony1

PS bring a FAT wallet.



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To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:41 PM

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Extra Cool - we have one of the more popular glider ports in So Calif a few miles away. The only real way to know when they're close is hearing the tow plane when it veers off after disconnect. I've been buzzed while hiking in the San Gabriel Mtns behind us by some pretty ballsy pilots - but this was something else...
Vance

lsf5275@aol.com wrote:



I love soaring. Blaniks are quite popular here in Virginia. Awesome videos.



In a message dated 8/11/2010 10:01:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jandjstrz@verizon.net writes:



…the view is tremendous.



The soundtrack music isn’t too bad either (sorry no ‘tron)



enjoy the scenery……: )
>





http://www.youtube.com/...&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/...&feature=related







_ Jim & Janet

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2010-08-13 by John Wright


Ah yes, the P-38, my personal favorite. If anyone on the list happens to be close to Wright-Patterson AFB in Dayton, Oh, the museum is worth the road trip. They have about one of everything there.
John

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Tony -
Great story! My grandfather was a piggyback test engineer in the P-38 for Lockheed back in the day. My namesake's father was Lockheed test pilot Milo Burcham who lost his life in a crash testing the P-80 http://www.godickson.com/Milo_Burcham.htm.
Lots of guts those men among men.
Vance

tony1 wrote:



Thank you kindly!
Dad, a friend of his, a friend of mine and I attended the largest gathering of P-51s in Kissimme, Fl in the Spring of 98. There were 163 present and all in flying condition.
He was on the ship home to form the AAC's first jet figter when news of the German surrender occured.
Was to have flow the P-80 which as it turns out wasn't mich of an aircraft, IE non delta wing for one.
15th Air Force, 352nd fighter group, 4th squadron, Naples Italy
Hell of a man like most WW2 veterans. Naturally I'm biased and I miss him everyday.
Tony
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Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 9:51 PM
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P 51!

……………….“Cadillac of the Skies!”

-----Original Message-----
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tony1
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 8:52 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
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I was a solo "glider guider" at age 14. I had a total of 4 1/2 hours of instructor time before my release, while most adults require 24+ hours in an instructor enviroment.

Doesn't hurt to have had a former WW2 fighter pilot father (P-51s), who kept flying his own aircraft until a year before ALS killed him at age 78.

It's a wonderful experience and a lot like driving the race cars I enjoy (Formula One car next month), with the exception of having to get the aircraft on the ground in one piece on the first try.

No "go arounds" in an unpowered plane!

Try it you'll like it!

Tony1

PS bring a FAT wallet.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:41 PM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....

Extra Cool - we have one of the more popular glider ports in So Calif a few miles away. The only real way to know when they're close is hearing the tow plane when it veers off after disconnect. I've been buzzed while hiking in the San Gabriel Mtns behind us by some pretty ballsy pilots - but this was something else...
Vance

lsf5275@aol. com wrote:

I love soaring. Blaniks are quite popular here in Virginia. Awesome videos.

In a message dated 8/11/2010 10:01:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jandjstrz@verizon. net writes:

…the view is tremendous.

The soundtrack music isn’t too bad either (sorry no ‘tron)

enjoy the scenery……: )

http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related

http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related

_Jim & Janet

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2010-08-13 by John Wright


Tony,
My Father in law, was attached to RAF in WWII. He was an air reconnaissance pilot. Was able to fly the Spitfire and P-51. Only flew with cameras, but did lose 3 aircraft, however he never had a scratch. Each time, was helped back to England first by French and later Canadian occupation forces after D-day. His scrap book contains battle damage photos of the V1 and V2 rocket sites and tons of pictures from flight training in TX to post WWII occupation in France. Too many officers in 1948, so discharged, but he flew small planes till he was about 70.
He lived with us about ten year ago till he passed away, but you should have seen him when a 51 was in town for an air show. He heard the Rolls-Royce/Merlin from miles away and got to see it fly by. A truly awesome sound.
John

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Vance,
Very interesting and informative.
Dad had his choice of the P-38 or the 51, he told me he thought he be warmer in the 51, true story!
With a 1700 HP, Rolls-Royce/Merlin whirring away in front of you sure did help, he told me.
He was always fit and I genuinely believe him, at those altitudes the temps were and are in the minus 40-60F range.
Imagine that for 8 hours or so and the constant threat of anti-aircraft fire, fighters, all at age 21!
Tony
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Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....

Tony -
Great story! My grandfather was a piggyback test engineer in the P-38 for Lockheed back in the day. My namesake's father was Lockheed test pilot Milo Burcham who lost his life in a crash testing the P-80 http://www.godickson.com/Milo_Burcham.htm.
Lots of guts those men among men.
Vance

tony1 wrote:



Thank you kindly!
Dad, a friend of his, a friend of mine and I attended the largest gathering of P-51s in Kissimme, Fl in the Spring of 98. There were 163 present and all in flying condition.
He was on the ship home to form the AAC's first jet figter when news of the German surrender occured.
Was to have flow the P-80 which as it turns out wasn't mich of an aircraft, IE non delta wing for one.
15th Air Force, 352nd fighter group, 4th squadron, Naples Italy
Hell of a man like most WW2 veterans. Naturally I'm biased and I miss him everyday.
Tony
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 9:51 PM
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....

P 51!

……………….“Cadillac of the Skies!”

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 8:52 AM
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I was a solo "glider guider" at age 14. I had a total of 4 1/2 hours of instructor time before my release, while most adults require 24+ hours in an instructor enviroment.

Doesn't hurt to have had a former WW2 fighter pilot father (P-51s), who kept flying his own aircraft until a year before ALS killed him at age 78.

It's a wonderful experience and a lot like driving the race cars I enjoy (Formula One car next month), with the exception of having to get the aircraft on the ground in one piece on the first try.

No "go arounds" in an unpowered plane!

Try it you'll like it!

Tony1

PS bring a FAT wallet.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:41 PM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....

Extra Cool - we have one of the more popular glider ports in So Calif a few miles away. The only real way to know when they're close is hearing the tow plane when it veers off after disconnect. I've been buzzed while hiking in the San Gabriel Mtns behind us by some pretty ballsy pilots - but this was something else...
Vance

lsf5275@aol. com wrote:

I love soaring. Blaniks are quite popular here in Virginia. Awesome videos.

In a message dated 8/11/2010 10:01:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jandjstrz@verizon. net writes:

…the view is tremendous.

The soundtrack music isn’t too bad either (sorry no ‘tron)

enjoy the scenery……: )

http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related

http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related

_Jim & Janet

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2010-08-13 by fdoddy@aol.com

My dad, a WW2 vet, is still around. Agreed, they don't make 'em like that anymore...

fritz..."I just wasn't made for these times"



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Thank you kindly!
Dad, a friend of his, a friend of mine and I attended the largest gathering of P-51s in Kissimme, Fl in the Spring of 98. There were 163 present and all in flying condition.
He was on the ship home to form the AAC's first jet figter when news of the German surrender occured.
Was to have flow the P-80 which as it turns out wasn't mich of an aircraft, IE non delta wing for one.
15th Air Force, 352nd fighter group, 4th squadron, Naples Italy
Hell of a man like most WW2 veterans. Naturally I'm biased and I miss him everyday.
Tony
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Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 9:51 PM
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P 51!
……………….“Cadillac of the Skies!”
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From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tony1
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 8:52 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
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I was a solo "glider guider" at age 14. I had a total of 4 1/2 hours of instructor time before my release, while most adults require 24+ hours in an instructor enviroment.
Doesn't hurt to have had a former WW2 fighter pilot father (P-51s), who kept flying his own aircraft until a year before ALS killed him at age 78.
It's a wonderful experience and a lot like driving the race cars I enjoy (Formula One car next month), with the exception of having to get the aircraft on the ground in one piece on the first try.
No "go arounds" in an unpowered plane!
I love soaring. Blaniks are quite popular here in Virginia. Awesome videos.
In a message dated 8/11/2010 10:01:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jandjstrz@verizon. net writes:
…the view is tremendous.
The soundtrack music isn’t too bad either (sorry no ‘tron)
enjoy the scenery……: )
http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related

http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related
_Jim & Janet

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2010-08-13 by fdoddy@aol.com

My dad, a WW2 vet, is still around. Agreed, they don't make 'em like that anymore...

fritz..."I just wasn't made for these times"



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Thank you kindly!
Dad, a friend of his, a friend of mine and I attended the largest gathering of P-51s in Kissimme, Fl in the Spring of 98. There were 163 present and all in flying condition.
He was on the ship home to form the AAC's first jet figter when news of the German surrender occured.
Was to have flow the P-80 which as it turns out wasn't mich of an aircraft, IE non delta wing for one.
15th Air Force, 352nd fighter group, 4th squadron, Naples Italy
Hell of a man like most WW2 veterans. Naturally I'm biased and I miss him everyday.
Tony
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Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 9:51 PM
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P 51!
……………….“Cadillac of the Skies!”
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 8:52 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
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I was a solo "glider guider" at age 14. I had a total of 4 1/2 hours of instructor time before my release, while most adults require 24+ hours in an instructor enviroment.
Doesn't hurt to have had a former WW2 fighter pilot father (P-51s), who kept flying his own aircraft until a year before ALS killed him at age 78.
It's a wonderful experience and a lot like driving the race cars I enjoy (Formula One car next month), with the exception of having to get the aircraft on the ground in one piece on the first try.
No "go arounds" in an unpowered plane!
Try it you'll like it!
Tony1
PS bring a FAT wallet.
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Extra Cool - we have one of the more popular glider ports in So Calif a few miles away. The only real way to know when they're close is hearing the tow plane when it veers off after disconnect. I've been buzzed while hiking in the San Gabriel Mtns behind us by some pretty ballsy pilots - but this was something else...
Vance

lsf5275@aol. com wrote:
I love soaring. Blaniks are quite popular here in Virginia. Awesome videos.
In a message dated 8/11/2010 10:01:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jandjstrz@verizon. net writes:
…the view is tremendous.
The soundtrack music isn’t too bad either (sorry no ‘tron)
enjoy the scenery……: )
http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related

http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related
_Jim & Janet

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2010-08-13 by fdoddy@aol.com

My dad, a WW2 vet, is still around. Agreed, they don't make 'em like that anymore...

fritz..."I just wasn't made for these times"



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Thank you kindly!
Dad, a friend of his, a friend of mine and I attended the largest gathering of P-51s in Kissimme, Fl in the Spring of 98. There were 163 present and all in flying condition.
He was on the ship home to form the AAC's first jet figter when news of the German surrender occured.
Was to have flow the P-80 which as it turns out wasn't mich of an aircraft, IE non delta wing for one.
15th Air Force, 352nd fighter group, 4th squadron, Naples Italy
Hell of a man like most WW2 veterans. Naturally I'm biased and I miss him everyday.
Tony
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P 51!
……………….“Cadillac of the Skies!”
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I was a solo "glider guider" at age 14. I had a total of 4 1/2 hours of instructor time before my release, while most adults require 24+ hours in an instructor enviroment.
Doesn't hurt to have had a former WW2 fighter pilot father (P-51s), who kept flying his own aircraft until a year before ALS killed him at age 78.
It's a wonderful experience and a lot like driving the race cars I enjoy (Formula One car next month), with the exception of having to get the aircraft on the ground in one piece on the first try.
No "go arounds" in an unpowered plane!
Try it you'll like it!
Tony1
PS bring a FAT wallet.
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Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....
Extra Cool - we have one of the more popular glider ports in So Calif a few miles away. The only real way to know when they're close is hearing the tow plane when it veers off after disconnect. I've been buzzed while hiking in the San Gabriel Mtns behind us by some pretty ballsy pilots - but this was something else...
Vance

lsf5275@aol. com wrote:
I love soaring. Blaniks are quite popular here in Virginia. Awesome videos.
In a message dated 8/11/2010 10:01:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jandjstrz@verizon. net writes:
…the view is tremendous.
The soundtrack music isn’t too bad either (sorry no ‘tron)
enjoy the scenery……: )
http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related

http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related
_Jim & Janet

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2010-08-13 by Mark Wallis

I've had one lesson in a little Cessna as a present from my ex-girlfriend's dad.. does that count?

Holiday flights aside, the only other flying I've done involved my 1950 BSA M21 and a Fiat X1/9.. Which was actually written off by the BSA. England 1, Italy 0.

Love and Scones,

MSW (M400 no151)

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My dad, a WW2 vet, is still around. Agreed, they don't make 'em like that anymore...

fritz..."I just wasn't made for these times"



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Thank you kindly!
Dad, a friend of his, a friend of mine and I attended the largest gathering of P-51s in Kissimme, Fl in the Spring of 98. There were 163 present and all in flying condition.
He was on the ship home to form the AAC's first jet figter when news of the German surrender occured.
Was to have flow the P-80 which as it turns out wasn't mich of an aircraft, IE non delta wing for one.
15th Air Force, 352nd fighter group, 4th squadron, Naples Italy
Hell of a man like most WW2 veterans. Naturally I'm biased and I miss him everyday.
Tony
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Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 9:51 PM
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P 51!
……………….“Cadillac of the Skies!”
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I was a solo "glider guider" at age 14. I had a total of 4 1/2 hours of instructor time before my release, while most adults require 24+ hours in an instructor enviroment.
Doesn't hurt to have had a former WW2 fighter pilot father (P-51s), who kept flying his own aircraft until a year before ALS killed him at age 78.
It's a wonderful experience and a lot like driving the race cars I enjoy (Formula One car next month), with the exception of having to get the aircraft on the ground in one piece on the first try.
No "go arounds" in an unpowered plane!
Try it you'll like it!
Tony1
PS bring a FAT wallet.
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Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....
Extra Cool - we have one of the more popular glider ports in So Calif a few miles away. The only real way to know when they're close is hearing the tow plane when it veers off after disconnect. I've been buzzed while hiking in the San Gabriel Mtns behind us by some pretty ballsy pilots - but this was something else...
Vance

lsf5275@aol. com wrote:
I love soaring. Blaniks are quite popular here in Virginia. Awesome videos.
In a message dated 8/11/2010 10:01:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jandjstrz@verizon. net writes:
…the view is tremendous.
The soundtrack music isn’t too bad either (sorry no ‘tron)
enjoy the scenery……: )
http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related

http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related
_Jim & Janet

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2010-08-13 by Gary Brumm

….speaking of P-51s ….here are some photos of “Comfortably Numb” at the Stockton Metro Airport where I had my avionics shop.

David Gilmour sold it to a local developer years ago…….

http://www.flickr.com/photos/topherous/sets/72057594063630163/

Gary

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Me too!.......I used to own an avionics shop and was partners in a Robinson helicopter dealership. Up until the last couple

of years I was at the Reno air races watching the P-51s race every year. I always wanted to fly gliders but never did….soaring

looks like a lot of fun….maybe one of these day I’ll give it a try……..

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This is great! I never knew that there were so many people interested in flight in this group. I have been flying all of my life, both full scale and models.

In a message dated 8/13/2010 12:25:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, atm655@verizon.net writes:



Vance,

Very interesting and informative.

Dad had his choice of the P-38 or the 51, he told me he thought he be warmer in the 51, true story!

With a 1700 HP, Rolls-Royce/Merlin whirring away in front of you sure did help, he told me.

He was always fit and I genuinely believe him, at those altitudes the temps were and are in the minus 40-60F range.

Imagine that for 8 hours or so and the constant threat of anti-aircraft fire, fighters, all at age 21!

Tony

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Tony -
Great story! My grandfather was a piggyback test engineer in the P-38 for Lockheed back in the day. My namesake's father was Lockheed test pilot Milo Burcham who lost his life in a crash testing the P-80 http://www.godickson.com/Milo_Burcham.htm.
Lots of guts those men among men.
Vance

tony1 wrote:



Thank you kindly!

Dad, a friend of his, a friend of mine and I attended the largest gathering of P-51s in Kissimme, Fl in the Spring of 98. There were 163 present and all in flying condition.

He was on the ship home to form the AAC's first jet figter when news of the German surrender occured.

Was to have flow the P-80 which as it turns out wasn't mich of an aircraft, IE non delta wing for one.

15th Air Force, 352nd fighter group, 4th squadron, Naples Italy

Hell of a man like most WW2 veterans. Naturally I'm biased and I miss him everyday.

Tony

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Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 9:51 PM

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P 51!

……………….“Cadillac of the Skies!”

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I was a solo "glider guider" at age 14. I had a total of 4 1/2 hours of instructor time before my release, while most adults require 24+ hours in an instructor enviroment.

Doesn't hurt to have had a former WW2 fighter pilot father (P-51s), who kept flying his own aircraft until a year before ALS killed him at age 78.

It's a wonderful experience and a lot like driving the race cars I enjoy (Formula One car next month), with the exception of having to get the aircraft on the ground in one piece on the first try.

No "go arounds" in an unpowered plane!

Try it you'll like it!

Tony1

PS bring a FAT wallet.

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Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:41 PM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....

Extra Cool - we have one of the more popular glider ports in So Calif a few miles away. The only real way to know when they're close is hearing the tow plane when it veers off after disconnect. I've been buzzed while hiking in the San Gabriel Mtns behind us by some pretty ballsy pilots - but this was something else...
Vance

lsf5275@aol.com wrote:

I love soaring. Blaniks are quite popular here in Virginia. Awesome videos.

In a message dated 8/11/2010 10:01:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jandjstrz@verizon.net writes:

…the view is tremendous.

The soundtrack music isn’t too bad either (sorry no ‘tron)

enjoy the scenery……: )

http://www.youtube.com/...&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/...&feature=related

_Jim & Janet

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2010-08-13 by tony1


Dad told me when he first heard a 51 (as he always reffered to it), it sounded like ripping fabric.
I have to agree.
Over at Kissimmee you can get rides in a 2 seater 51, not cheap but I'm doing it just because.
Dad and 3 other 51's were escorting a photo recon mission when they saw a straggler B-17 getting worked over by a bunch of ME-109's. They could have easily dropped down and attacked, but their orders were to stay with the photo recon mission.
Like most veterans they don't say much about encounters, but that story I saw a very noticable change in his mood and he bristled up quite obviouslly. I knew beter than to ask questions and the subject quickly changed.
Tony
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Tony,
My Father in law, was attached to RAF in WWII. He was an air reconnaissance pilot. Was able to fly the Spitfire and P-51. Only flew with cameras, but did lose 3 aircraft, however he never had a scratch. Each time, was helped back to England first by French and later Canadian occupation forces after D-day. His scrap book contains battle damage photos of the V1 and V2 rocket sites and tons of pictures from flight training in TX to post WWII occupation in France. Too many officers in 1948, so discharged, but he flew small planes till he was about 70.
He lived with us about ten year ago till he passed away, but you should have seen him when a 51 was in town for an air show. He heard the Rolls-Royce/Merlin from miles away and got to see it fly by. A truly awesome sound.
John

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Vance,
Very interesting and informative.
Dad had his choice of the P-38 or the 51, he told me he thought he be warmer in the 51, true story!
With a 1700 HP, Rolls-Royce/Merlin whirring away in front of you sure did help, he told me.
He was always fit and I genuinely believe him, at those altitudes the temps were and are in the minus 40-60F range.
Imagine that for 8 hours or so and the constant threat of anti-aircraft fire, fighters, all at age 21!
Tony
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Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 11:38 PM
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Tony -
Great story! My grandfather was a piggyback test engineer in the P-38 for Lockheed back in the day. My namesake's father was Lockheed test pilot Milo Burcham who lost his life in a crash testing the P-80 http://www.godickson.com/Milo_Burcham.htm.
Lots of guts those men among men.
Vance

tony1 wrote:



Thank you kindly!
Dad, a friend of his, a friend of mine and I attended the largest gathering of P-51s in Kissimme, Fl in the Spring of 98. There were 163 present and all in flying condition.
He was on the ship home to form the AAC's first jet figter when news of the German surrender occured.
Was to have flow the P-80 which as it turns out wasn't mich of an aircraft, IE non delta wing for one.
15th Air Force, 352nd fighter group, 4th squadron, Naples Italy
Hell of a man like most WW2 veterans. Naturally I'm biased and I miss him everyday.
Tony
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Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 9:51 PM
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....

P 51!

……………….“Cadillac of the Skies!”

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From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tony1
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 8:52 AM
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I was a solo "glider guider" at age 14. I had a total of 4 1/2 hours of instructor time before my release, while most adults require 24+ hours in an instructor enviroment.

Doesn't hurt to have had a former WW2 fighter pilot father (P-51s), who kept flying his own aircraft until a year before ALS killed him at age 78.

It's a wonderful experience and a lot like driving the race cars I enjoy (Formula One car next month), with the exception of having to get the aircraft on the ground in one piece on the first try.

No "go arounds" in an unpowered plane!

Try it you'll like it!

Tony1

PS bring a FAT wallet.

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Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:41 PM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....

Extra Cool - we have one of the more popular glider ports in So Calif a few miles away. The only real way to know when they're close is hearing the tow plane when it veers off after disconnect. I've been buzzed while hiking in the San Gabriel Mtns behind us by some pretty ballsy pilots - but this was something else...
Vance

lsf5275@aol. com wrote:

I love soaring. Blaniks are quite popular here in Virginia. Awesome videos.

In a message dated 8/11/2010 10:01:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jandjstrz@verizon. net writes:

…the view is tremendous.

The soundtrack music isn’t too bad either (sorry no ‘tron)

enjoy the scenery……: )

http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related

http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related

_Jim & Janet

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2010-08-13 by tony1


Yes it does, imho.
Tony
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I've had one lesson in a little Cessna as a present from my ex-girlfriend's dad.. does that count?

Holiday flights aside, the only other flying I've done involved my 1950 BSA M21 and a Fiat X1/9.. Which was actually written off by the BSA. England 1, Italy 0.

Love and Scones,

MSW (M400 no151)

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From: fdoddy@aol.com
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 09:12:45 -0400
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My dad, a WW2 vet, is still around. Agreed, they don't make 'em like that anymore...

fritz..."I just wasn't made for these times"



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Thank you kindly!
Dad, a friend of his, a friend of mine and I attended the largest gathering of P-51s in Kissimme, Fl in the Spring of 98. There were 163 present and all in flying condition.
He was on the ship home to form the AAC's first jet figter when news of the German surrender occured.
Was to have flow the P-80 which as it turns out wasn't mich of an aircraft, IE non delta wing for one.
15th Air Force, 352nd fighter group, 4th squadron, Naples Italy
Hell of a man like most WW2 veterans. Naturally I'm biased and I miss him everyday.
Tony
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Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 9:51 PM
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P 51!
……………….“Cadillac of the Skies!”
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From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tony1
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 8:52 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
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I was a solo "glider guider" at age 14. I had a total of 4 1/2 hours of instructor time before my release, while most adults require 24+ hours in an instructor enviroment.
Doesn't hurt to have had a former WW2 fighter pilot father (P-51s), who kept flying his own aircraft until a year before ALS killed him at age 78.
It's a wonderful experience and a lot like driving the race cars I enjoy (Formula One car next month), with the exception of having to get the aircraft on the ground in one piece on the first try.
No "go arounds" in an unpowered plane!
Try it you'll like it!
Tony1
PS bring a FAT wallet.
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Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....
Extra Cool - we have one of the more popular glider ports in So Calif a few miles away. The only real way to know when they're close is hearing the tow plane when it veers off after disconnect. I've been buzzed while hiking in the San Gabriel Mtns behind us by some pretty ballsy pilots - but this was something else...
Vance

lsf5275@aol. com wrote:
I love soaring. Blaniks are quite popular here in Virginia. Awesome videos.
In a message dated 8/11/2010 10:01:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jandjstrz@verizon. net writes:
…the view is tremendous.
The soundtrack music isn’t too bad either (sorry no ‘tron)
enjoy the scenery……: )
http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related

http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related
_Jim & Janet

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2010-08-13 by lsf5275@aol.com

The Steven Udvar_Hazy Center of the National Air and Space Museum is 10 minutes from my house. It must be seen to be believed.
In a message dated 8/13/2010 8:06:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, john.wright@consona.com writes:



Ah yes, the P-38, my personal favorite. If anyone on the list happens to be close to Wright-Patterson AFB in Dayton, Oh, the museum is worth the road trip. They have about one of everything there.
John

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Tony -
Great story! My grandfather was a piggyback test engineer in the P-38 for Lockheed back in the day. My namesake's father was Lockheed test pilot Milo Burcham who lost his life in a crash testing the P-80 http://www.godickson.com/Milo_Burcham.htm.
Lots of guts those men among men.
Vance

tony1 wrote:



Thank you kindly!
Dad, a friend of his, a friend of mine and I attended the largest gathering of P-51s in Kissimme, Fl in the Spring of 98. There were 163 present and all in flying condition.
He was on the ship home to form the AAC's first jet figter when news of the German surrender occured.
Was to have flow the P-80 which as it turns out wasn't mich of an aircraft, IE non delta wing for one.
15th Air Force, 352nd fighter group, 4th squadron, Naples Italy
Hell of a man like most WW2 veterans. Naturally I'm biased and I miss him everyday.
Tony
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Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 9:51 PM
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P 51!

……………….“Cadillac of the Skies!”

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Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 8:52 AM
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I was a solo "glider guider" at age 14. I had a total of 4 1/2 hours of instructor time before my release, while most adults require 24+ hours in an instructor enviroment.

Doesn't hurt to have had a former WW2 fighter pilot father (P-51s), who kept flying his own aircraft until a year before ALS killed him at age 78.

It's a wonderful experience and a lot like driving the race cars I enjoy (Formula One car next month), with the exception of having to get the aircraft on the ground in one piece on the first try.

No "go arounds" in an unpowered plane!

Try it you'll like it!

Tony1

PS bring a FAT wallet.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:41 PM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....

Extra Cool - we have one of the more popular glider ports in So Calif a few miles away. The only real way to know when they're close is hearing the tow plane when it veers off after disconnect. I've been buzzed while hiking in the San Gabriel Mtns behind us by some pretty ballsy pilots - but this was something else...
Vance

lsf5275@aol. com wrote:

I love soaring. Blaniks are quite popular here in Virginia. Awesome videos.

In a message dated 8/11/2010 10:01:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jandjstrz@verizon. net writes:

…the view is tremendous.

The soundtrack music isn’t too bad either (sorry no ‘tron)

enjoy the scenery……: )

http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related

http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related

_Jim & Janet

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2010-08-13 by lsf5275@aol.com

Attached, for those who can see it. Are a few photos of a Wright Model B. It is real and was built by Ken Hyde (see "Wright Experience"). Ken's shop is near where I live and I watched him build this airplane and also a real 1903 Wright Flyer. He actually duplicated the entire Wright development history. Everything in this airplane is real, right down to duplicating the muslin that covers the wings (same material and thread count). Even the props were of the same wood and hand carved. The motor is the 2nd motor the Wrights built to power a Model B. On this evening, the airplane had been trucked over to my friend Frank Thompson's place because he has a far longer runway than Ken has. There it was reassembled for the purposes of taxi trials. Accidentally, it took to the air on one of only two flights this aircraft ever flew. Fortunately, I was there to not only see this, but to hear that Wright motor and to witness that flight. I have also seen the '03 Flyer actually fly.
The plane is heading away from us. there is still 1000 feet of runway ahead of it
Running up the motor
After the flight.
In a message dated 8/13/2010 10:24:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, atm655@verizon.net writes:



Yes it does, imho.
Tony
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I've had one lesson in a little Cessna as a present from my ex-girlfriend's dad.. does that count?

Holiday flights aside, the only other flying I've done involved my 1950 BSA M21 and a Fiat X1/9.. Which was actually written off by the BSA. England 1, Italy 0.

Love and Scones,

MSW (M400 no151)

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
From: fdoddy@aol.com
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 09:12:45 -0400
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Off topic - Out on a wing.....

My dad, a WW2 vet, is still around. Agreed, they don't make 'em like that anymore...

fritz..."I just wasn't made for these times"



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Thank you kindly!
Dad, a friend of his, a friend of mine and I attended the largest gathering of P-51s in Kissimme, Fl in the Spring of 98. There were 163 present and all in flying condition.
He was on the ship home to form the AAC's first jet figter when news of the German surrender occured.
Was to have flow the P-80 which as it turns out wasn't mich of an aircraft, IE non delta wing for one.
15th Air Force, 352nd fighter group, 4th squadron, Naples Italy
Hell of a man like most WW2 veterans. Naturally I'm biased and I miss him everyday.
Tony
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P 51!
……………….“Cadillac of the Skies!”
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I was a solo "glider guider" at age 14. I had a total of 4 1/2 hours of instructor time before my release, while most adults require 24+ hours in an instructor enviroment.
Doesn't hurt to have had a former WW2 fighter pilot father (P-51s), who kept flying his own aircraft until a year before ALS killed him at age 78.
It's a wonderful experience and a lot like driving the race cars I enjoy (Formula One car next month), with the exception of having to get the aircraft on the ground in one piece on the first try.
No "go arounds" in an unpowered plane!
Try it you'll like it!
Tony1
PS bring a FAT wallet.
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Extra Cool - we have one of the more popular glider ports in So Calif a few miles away. The only real way to know when they're close is hearing the tow plane when it veers off after disconnect. I've been buzzed while hiking in the San Gabriel Mtns behind us by some pretty ballsy pilots - but this was something else...
Vance

lsf5275@aol. com wrote:
I love soaring. Blaniks are quite popular here in Virginia. Awesome videos.
In a message dated 8/11/2010 10:01:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jandjstrz@verizon. net writes:
…the view is tremendous.
The soundtrack music isn’t too bad either (sorry no ‘tron)
enjoy the scenery……: )
http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related

http://www.youtube. com/...&feature=related
_Jim & Janet

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2010-08-13 by john barrick

Been there a couple of times with my boys. Always fun. On the other
hand, while I find planes to be beautiful, I'm terrified of flying.
I'll do just about anything to avoid flying. It's been over 10 years
since I've been on one, and I'm OK with that.
jb


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2010-08-13 by Ms. Janet Strauss

“You can't fly a Mellotron.”

True…

…but I do recall a quote from a very old Rolling Stone interview with the Moody Blues where Mike Pinder said “playing his Mellotron was like riding a rocket!”

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You can't fly a Mellotron.

In a message dated 8/13/2010 2:07:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, doctorwho8@aol.com writes:

Maybe a new group can be spun off: The Mellotron Flyers Club.
Bill "the Doctor" Rudloff

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2010-08-13 by john barrick

The glide ratio is all wrong... not much lift out of that cabinet, either.


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2010-08-13 by lsf5275@aol.com

In a message dated 8/13/2010 6:25:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, astroboy@cinci.rr.com writes:
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The glide ratio is all wrong... not much lift out of that cabinet, either.


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2010-08-14 by zogher

Hi all,

I will be riding in a 1929 Bellanca CH-300 Pacemaker this Sunday. Ex-InterIsland Airways plane, now restored and back at the company as it is known today, Hawaiian Airlines. It is the only CH-300 in flying condition:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellanca_CH-300

Should be fun.

Chris

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> Attached, for those who can see it. Are a few photos of a Wright Model B.
> It is real and was built by Ken Hyde (see "Wright Experience"). Ken's shop
> is near where I live and I watched him build this airplane and also a real
> 1903 Wright Flyer. He actually duplicated the entire Wright development
> history. Everything in this airplane is real, right down to duplicating the
> muslin that covers the wings (same material and thread count). Even the props
> were of the same wood and hand carved. The motor is the 2nd motor the
> Wrights built to power a Model B.