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From: d829d <d829d@yahoo.com>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] New Digital Mellotron
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 2:57 PM


  



This has probably been talked about before but I am new here and wanted to ask what you all think of it ?

dd

>
> It probably sounds like a Mellotron, but nothing beats the Real Thing!
> Â 
> Â  -Bruce D.
> 
> --- On Wed, 7/21/10, d829d <d829d@...> wrote:
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> From: d829d <d829d@...>
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] New Digital Mellotron
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 2:57 PM
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> Â  
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> 
> This has probably been talked about before but I am new here and wanted to ask what you all think of it ?
> 
> dd
>

>  
> dd
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>
> yeah but I have been playing piano since I was 10 thats 36 years and have a very good ear and this thing sounds fantastic to my well trained ear.
> 
> dd
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@> wrote:
> >
> > It probably sounds like a Mellotron, but nothing beats the Real Thing!
> > Â 
> > Â  -Bruce D.
> > 
> > --- On Wed, 7/21/10, d829d <d829d@> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > From: d829d <d829d@>
> > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] New Digital Mellotron
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 2:57 PM
> > 
> > 
> > Â  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > This has probably been talked about before but I am new here and wanted to ask what you all think of it ?
> > 
> > dd
> >
>

>
> It probably sounds   like a Mellotron, but nothing beats the Real Thing!
> Â 
>   Â  -Bruce D.
> 
> --- On Wed, 7/21/10, d829d   <d829d@...> wrote:
> 
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> From: d829d   <d829d@...>
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] New Digital   Mellotron
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>   Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 2:57 PM
> 
> 
> Â    
> 
> 
> 
> This has probably been talked about before   but I am new here and wanted to ask what you all think of it ?
>   
> dd
>

-----Original Message-----
From: MAinPsych@aol.com
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:46 pm
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron


  
    
                  

In a message dated 7/22/2010 4:10:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, fdoddy@aol.com writes:
Try them both in a live   situation.  It'll be painfully obvious which is the better   machine....


fritz  tron#1697



 
Please elaborate.

-----Original Message-----
From: d829d <d829d@yahoo.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Jul 22, 2010 10:49 pm
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron


  
    
                  


--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, MAinPsych@... wrote:
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>  
> In a message dated 7/22/2010 4:10:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
> fdoddy@... writes:
> 
> Try them both in a live  situation.  It'll be painfully obvious which is 
> the better  machine....
> 
> 
> fritz   tron#1697
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Please elaborate.
>

since I have only got to play a real tron 20+ years ago for about a hour 
and I have always dreamed of owning one, this new digital mellotron
is something I would like to own. 

Unless there is a alternative ? say the M-tron pro ? Memotron ?

I am hear to learn and not act like a know it all because I don't know
much about the machine other than it sounds amazing.

dd

From: MAinPsych@aol.Fro
To:  newmellotrongroup@To:  newmTo:
Sent: Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:46  pm
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron


 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 7/22/2010 4:10:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
_fdoddy@aol.com_ (mailto:fdoddy@aol.com)   writes:

Try them both in a live  situation.  It'll be painfully obvious which is 
the better  machine....


fritz   tron#1697




Please elaborate.

-----Original Message-----
From: lsf5275@aol.com
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:35 pm
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron


  
    
                  

Fritz is right. I've had many chances to see live Trons and to hear sampled Trons in a live settings. There has yet to be an occasion when I have heard samples where I could close my eyes and think it was the real thing. With Astra it was really obvious and easy to compare because they played both. Samples are easy to bury in the mix when recording and it often is less obvious.
 
Fritz, you're giving up modeling to play the guitar? Fascinating!
 

In a message dated 7/22/2010 10:09:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, fdoddy@aol.com writes:
    
  
  
The digital stuff   shows its shortcomings in a live situation.  One can fake it in the   studio to a degree, but samples have no "pop" in a live format.  Whether   it's fake wurly, tron, organ, it doesn't matter.  The real instruments   always have better presence and energy in my 35 years of live performance   experience.  It's most noticeable on trons.  Mr. Stickle can back me   up on this.  Take notice of all the younger bands going the extra mile   and schlepping non-digital gear on stage.

I just bought a new high gain   class A British guitar amp because I am done with modeling. There is no   lasting love for vintage/traditional emulation with me.  I'd rather use   the digital stuff to do what analog can't do, that's just my preference. Don't   get me wrong, I am in love with Ableton Live and most Native Instruments VI's,   but when I need a real instrument, I use the real instrument whenever I   can.


fritz

  


  
  


  


  
-----Original   Message-----
From: MAinPsych@aol.com
To:   newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Jul 22, 2010 7:46   pm
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron

  
    
  
  
  
  
  
In a message dated 7/22/2010 4:10:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, fdoddy@aol.com   writes:
  
Try them both in a live     situation.  It'll be painfully obvious which is the better     machine....


fritz    tron#1697

  
  
 
  
Please elaborate.

>
> Have you heard one up close? I didn't thing they were available yet; unless you're talking about the Memotron, which which uses the M-Tron samples and those aren't of the highest quality.
> 
> Bernie
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "d829d" <d829d@> wrote:
> >
> > yeah but I have been playing piano since I was 10 thats 36 years and have a very good ear and this thing sounds fantastic to my well trained ear.
> > 
> > dd
> > 
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@> wrote:
> > >
> > > It probably sounds like a Mellotron, but nothing beats the Real Thing!
> > > Â 
> > > Â  -Bruce D.
> > > 
> > > --- On Wed, 7/21/10, d829d <d829d@> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > From: d829d <d829d@>
> > > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] New Digital Mellotron
> > > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 2:57 PM
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Â  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > This has probably been talked about before but I am new here and wanted to ask what you all think of it ?
> > > 
> > > dd
> > >
> >
>

>
> I think hearing it over the telephone should be good enough.
>  
> Frank
>  
> M4000 #00000000000000000000000000000000016
>  
>  
> In a message dated 7/22/2010 11:42:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> d829d@... writes:
> 
> no I  havent heard it up close that's my point...how close do you have to 
> be ?  LOL
>

>
> no I havent heard it up close that's my point...how close do you have to be ? LOL
> 
> seriously those sounds are very alluring 
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tron400" <tron400@> wrote:
> >
> > Have you heard one up close? I didn't thing they were available yet; unless you're talking about the Memotron, which which uses the M-Tron samples and those aren't of the highest quality.
> > 
> > Bernie
> > 
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "d829d" <d829d@> wrote:
> > >
> > > yeah but I have been playing piano since I was 10 thats 36 years and have a very good ear and this thing sounds fantastic to my well trained ear.
> > > 
> > > dd
> > > 
> > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It probably sounds like a Mellotron, but nothing beats the Real Thing!
> > > > Â 
> > > > Â  -Bruce D.
> > > > 
> > > > --- On Wed, 7/21/10, d829d <d829d@> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > From: d829d <d829d@>
> > > > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] New Digital Mellotron
> > > > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 2:57 PM
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Â  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > This has probably been talked about before but I am new here and wanted to ask what you all think of it ?
> > > > 
> > > > dd
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

On 23 Jul 2010, at 21:32, "tron400" <tron400@yahoo.com> wrote:

> If I were to buy a digital Tron, it would be the Mellotron Archives "M4000D" because the samples are probably way better. It also has a real Tron keyboard to help simulate the actual feel. I think the Memotron is now obsolete. It's just the M-Tron in a box and it costs more than the "M4000D" (hopefully, the name will change before it comes out on the market).
> 
> Bernie
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "d829d" <d829d@...> wrote:
> >
> > no I havent heard it up close that's my point...how close do you have to be ? LOL
> > 
> > seriously those sounds are very alluring 
> > 
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tron400" <tron400@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Have you heard one up close? I didn't thing they were available yet; unless you're talking about the Memotron, which which uses the M-Tron samples and those aren't of the highest quality.
> > > 
> > > Bernie
> > > 
> > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "d829d" <d829d@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > yeah but I have been playing piano since I was 10 thats 36 years and have a very good ear and this thing sounds fantastic to my well trained ear.
> > > > 
> > > > dd
> > > > 
> > > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > It probably sounds like a Mellotron, but nothing beats the Real Thing!
> > > > > Â 
> > > > > Â  -Bruce D.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- On Wed, 7/21/10, d829d <d829d@> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > From: d829d <d829d@>
> > > > > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] New Digital Mellotron
> > > > > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 2:57 PM
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Â  
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > This has probably been talked about before but I am new here and wanted to ask what you all think of it ?
> > > > > 
> > > > > dd
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
>

>
> Not true! I checked. That was my suspicion as well, But Marcus claims it  
> has been entirely developed in house and I have been able to confirm that 
> Clavia  has had nothing to do with this machine.
>  
> Frank
>  
> Proud owner of a REAL M4000.
>  
>  
> In a message dated 7/23/2010 7:16:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> tronbros@... writes:
> 
> No -  it's still the M4000D Claviatron!
> _mellotronics.mello_ (http://mellotronics.co.uk/)
>

what is a real M4000 ? I will go look it up

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> Not true! I checked. That was my suspicion as well, But Marcus claims it
> has been entirely developed in house and I have been able to confirm that
> Clavia has had nothing to do with this machine.
>
> Frank
>
> Proud owner of a REAL M4000.
>
>
> In a message dated 7/23/2010 7:16:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> tronbros@... writes:
>
> No - it's still the M4000D Claviatron!
> _mellotronics.mello_ (http://mellotronics.co.uk/)
>

>
> However,the Memotron is taken from a host of real 'trons and tape frames of different pedigrees so it could be argued it is closer than the Reschotron to the real thing.  Of course I could be wrong!  
> 
> Best,
> 
> Martin
> 
> mellotronics.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> On 23 Jul 2010, at 21:32, "tron400" <tron400@...> wrote:
> 
> > If I were to buy a digital Tron, it would be the Mellotron Archives "M4000D" because the samples are probably way better. It also has a real Tron keyboard to help simulate the actual feel. I think the Memotron is now obsolete. It's just the M-Tron in a box and it costs more than the "M4000D" (hopefully, the name will change before it comes out on the market).
> > 
> > Bernie
> > 
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "d829d" <d829d@> wrote:
> > >
> > > no I havent heard it up close that's my point...how close do you have to be ? LOL
> > > 
> > > seriously those sounds are very alluring 
> > > 
> > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tron400" <tron400@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Have you heard one up close? I didn't thing they were available yet; unless you're talking about the Memotron, which which uses the M-Tron samples and those aren't of the highest quality.
> > > > 
> > > > Bernie
> > > > 
> > > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "d829d" <d829d@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > yeah but I have been playing piano since I was 10 thats 36 years and have a very good ear and this thing sounds fantastic to my well trained ear.
> > > > > 
> > > > > dd
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It probably sounds like a Mellotron, but nothing beats the Real Thing!
> > > > > > Â 
> > > > > > Â  -Bruce D.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- On Wed, 7/21/10, d829d <d829d@> wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > From: d829d <d829d@>
> > > > > > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] New Digital Mellotron
> > > > > > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 2:57 PM
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Â  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This has probably been talked about before but I am new here and wanted to ask what you all think of it ?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > dd
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > 
> >
>

From: lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 23, 2010, 6:40 PM


  




Not true! I checked. That was my suspicion as well, But Marcus claims it has been entirely developed in house and I have been able to confirm that Clavia has had nothing to do with this machine.
 
Frank
 
Proud owner of a REAL M4000.
 

In a message dated 7/23/2010 7:16:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tronbros@aol. com writes:
No - it's still the M4000D Claviatron!
mellotronics. co.uk

However,the Memotron is taken from a host of real 'trons and tape frames of different pedigrees so it could be argued it is closer than the Reschotron to the real thing. Of course I could be wrong!

Best,

Martin

mellotronics.co.uk



On 23 Jul 2010, at 21:32, "tron400" wrote:

If I were to buy a digital Tron, it would be the Mellotron Archives "M4000D" because the samples are probably way better. It also has a real Tron keyboard to help simulate the actual feel. I think the Memotron is now obsolete. It's just the M-Tron in a box and it costs more than the "M4000D" (hopefully, the name will change before it comes out on the market).

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com , "d829d" wrote:
>
> no I havent heard it up close that's my point...how close do you have to be ? LOL
>
> seriously those sounds are very alluring
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com , "tron400" wrote:
> >
> > Have you heard one up close? I didn't thing they were available yet; unless you're talking about the Memotron, which which uses the M-Tron samples and those aren't of the highest quality.
> >
> > Bernie
> >
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com , "d829d" <d829d@> wrote:
> > >
> > > yeah but I have been playing piano since I was 10 thats 36 years and have a very good ear and this thing sounds fantastic to my well trained ear.
> > >
> > > dd
> > >
> > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com , Bruce Daily <;pocotron@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It probably sounds like a Mellotron, but nothing beats the Real Thing!
> > > > Â
> > > > Â -Bruce D.
> > > >
> > > > --- On Wed, 7/21/10, d829d <d829d@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: d829d
> > > > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] New Digital Mellotron
> > > > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 2:57 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Â
>; > > >
> > > >
> > > >
>; > > > This has probably been talked about before but I am new here and wanted to ask what you all think of it ?
> > > >
> > > > dd
> > > >
> > >
>; >
>




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> > > > dd
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On 25 Jul 2010, at 11:17, mattias <Mattias.olsson5@comhem.se> wrote:

> You are probably right. 
> 
> Markus machine is probably not that great...
> 
> 100 Chamberlin and Mellotron sounds (200 with the expansion including Optigan, Orchestron and Talentmaker sounds) in a keyboard with a Mellotron keyboard made by the guy who owns the entire Mellotron/chamberlin tape library for a relatively low price.
> 
> It just has to be bad. Why would anyone want to tour with that ?
> 
> Right ?
> 
> 
> // Mattias 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Den 2010-07-23 23.32, skrev "tronbros" <tronbros@aol.com>:
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  
>    
> 
> However,the Memotron is taken from a host of real 'trons and tape frames of different pedigrees so it could be argued it is closer than the Reschotron to the real thing.  Of course I could be wrong!  
> 
> Best,
> 
> Martin
> 
> mellotronics.co.uk <http://mellotronics.co.uk> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 23 Jul 2010, at 21:32, "tron400" <tron400@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>  
>    
> 
> If I were to buy a digital Tron, it would be the Mellotron Archives "M4000D" because the samples are probably way better. It also has a real Tron keyboard to help simulate the actual feel. I think the Memotron is now obsolete. It's just the M-Tron in a box and it costs more than the "M4000D" (hopefully, the name will change before it comes out on the market).
> 
> Bernie
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> , "d829d" <d829d@...> wrote:
> >
> > no I havent heard it up close that's my point...how close do you have to be ? LOL
> > 
> > seriously those sounds are very alluring 
> > 
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> , "tron400" <tron400@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Have you heard one up close? I didn't thing they were available yet; unless you're talking about the Memotron, which which uses the M-Tron samples and those aren't of the highest quality.
> > > 
> > > Bernie
> > > 
> > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> , "d829d" <d829d@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > yeah but I have been playing piano since I was 10 thats 36 years and have a very good ear and this thing sounds fantastic to my well trained ear.
> > > > 
> > > > dd
> > > > 
> > > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> , Bruce Daily <pocotron@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > It probably sounds like a Mellotron, but nothing beats the Real Thing!
> > > > > Â 
> > > > > Â  -Bruce D.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- On Wed, 7/21/10, d829d <d829d@> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > From: d829d <d829d@>
> > > > > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] New Digital Mellotron
> > > > > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> 
> > > > > Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 2:57 PM
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Â  
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > This has probably been talked about before but I am new here and wanted to ask what you all think of it ?
> > > > > 
> > > > > dd
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
>  
>   
>  
>    
> 
> 
>

Nobody is saying anything is bad. The mail related to what makes a digital device have an authentic sound. As stated before, tapes from Streetly, London or Sound Sales came from work masters, not masters or even copy masters. The degradation was part of the sound. Nobody is saying anything sounds poor but rather what makes for authenticity! The big claim about master tapes is stuff and nonsense. We have Les's protection copies, one generation away from the MASTERS (sing hallelujas) but we never use them. They are there as a valued archive and have no place in regular tape production or any simulation.

Best,

Martin

mellotronics.co.uk

On 25 Jul 2010, at 11:17, mattias <Mattias.olsson5@comhem.se> wrote:

You are probably right.

Markus machine is probably not that great...

100 Chamberlin and Mellotron sounds (200 with the expansion including Optigan, Orchestron and Talentmaker sounds) in a keyboard with a Mellotron keyboard made by the guy who owns the entire Mellotron/chamberlin tape library for a relatively low price.

It just has to be bad. Why would anyone want to tour with that ?

Right ?


// Mattias






Den 2010-07-23 23.32, skrev "tronbros" com>:

However,the Memotron is taken from a host of real 'trons and tape frames of different pedigrees so it could be argued it is closer than the Reschotron to the real thing. Of course I could be wrong!

Best,

Martin

mellotronics.co.uk <http://mellotronics.co.uk>



On 23 Jul 2010, at 21:32, "tron400" com> wrote:

If I were to buy a digital Tron, it would be the Mellotron Archives "M4000D" because the samples are probably way better. It also has a real Tron keyboard to help simulate the actual feel. I think the Memotron is now obsolete. It's just the M-Tron in a box and it costs more than the "M4000D" (hopefully, the name will change before it comes out on the market).

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com group@yahoogroups.com> , "d829d" wrote:
>
> no I havent heard it up close that's my point...how close do you have to be ? LOL
>
> seriously those sounds are very alluring
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com ;group@yahoogroups.com> ;, "tron400" wrote:
> >
> > Have you heard one up close? I didn't thing they were available yet; unless you're talking about the Memotron, which which uses the M-Tron samples and those aren't of the highest quality.
> >
> > Bernie
> >
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com group@yahoogroups.com> , "d829d" wrote:
> > >
> > > yeah but I have been playing piano since I was 10 thats 36 years and have a very good ear and this thing sounds fantastic to my well trained ear.
> > >
> >; > dd
> > >
> > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com group@yahoogroups.com> , Bruce Daily wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It probably sounds like a Mellotron, but nothing beats the Real Thing!
> > > > Â
> > > > Â -Bruce D.
> > > >
> > > > --- On Wed, 7/21/10, d829d wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: d829d
>; > > > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] New Digital Mellotron
> > > > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com group@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 2:57 PM
> > > >
>; > > >
> > > > Â
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This has probably been talked about before but I am new here and wanted to ask what you all think of it ?
> > > >
> > > > dd
> > >; >
> > >
> >
>

From: tronbros <tronbros@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, July 25, 2010, 9:12 AM


  



I don't think they thought about it as they wouldn't have been aware of what had gone on to create the recordings. They would have accepted what was provided with no thought to what could have been. I listen to CDs and vinyl in complete ignorance of what was originally recorded.

Best,

M

mellotronics.co.uk

On 25 Jul 2010, at 16:01, David Jacques <djacques@csulb.edu> wrote:

> How much doctoring did bands such as Genesis, King Crimson, and The Moody Blues use when recording the Mellotron to mask these degrations?

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True. But were they "satisfied" with what was provided with the production tapes? If so, why so much processing, double tracking, and reverb? Why did Pinder change to a solid state preamp to get a mellower sound (the Moody sound)?
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I don't think they thought about it as they wouldn't have been aware of what had gone on to create the recordings. They would have accepted what was provided with no thought to what could have been. I listen to CDs and vinyl in complete ignorance of what was originally recorded.

Best,

M

mellotronics.co.uk

On 25 Jul 2010, at 16:01, David Jacques <djacques@csulb.edu> wrote:

> How much doctoring did bands such as Genesis, King Crimson, and The Moody Blues use when recording the Mellotron to mask these degrations?

\ufffd

True. But were they "satisfied" with what was provided with the production tapes? If so, why so much processing, double tracking, and reverb? Why did Pinder change to a solid state preamp to get a mellower sound (the Moody sound)?

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\ufffd

I don't think they thought about it as they wouldn't have been aware of what had gone on to create the recordings. They would have accepted what was provided with no thought to what could have been. I listen to CDs and vinyl in complete ignorance of what was originally recorded.

Best,

M

mellotronics.co.uk

On 25 Jul 2010, at 16:01, David Jacques <djacques@csulb.edu> wrote:

> How much doctoring did bands such as Genesis, King Crimson, and The Moody Blues use when recording the Mellotron to mask these degrations?

On 25 Jul 2010, at 17:11, djacques@csulb.edu wrote:

> True. But were they "satisfied" with what was provided with the production tapes? If so, why so much processing, double tracking, and reverb? Why did Pinder change to a solid state preamp to get a mellower sound (the Moody sound)?
> 
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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> From: tronbros <tronbros@aol.com>
> Sender: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 16:12:48 +0100
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> ReplyTo: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron
> 
>  
> I don't think they thought about it as they wouldn't have been aware of what had gone on to create the recordings. They would have accepted what was provided with no thought to what could have been. I listen to CDs and vinyl in complete ignorance of what was originally recorded.
> 
> Best,
> 
> M
> 
> mellotronics.co.uk
> 
> On 25 Jul 2010, at 16:01, David Jacques <djacques@csulb.edu> wrote:
> 
> > How much doctoring did bands such as Genesis, King Crimson, and The Moody Blues use when recording the Mellotron to mask these degrations?
>

> Because he didn't like the MKII preamplifier - it's aggressive - but KC
> loved it!
>
> M
>
> mellotronics.co.uk
>
>
>
> On 25 Jul 2010, at 17:11, djacques@csulb.edu wrote:
>
>> True. But were they "satisfied" with what was provided with the
>> production tapes? If so, why so much processing, double tracking, and
>> reverb? Why did Pinder change to a solid state preamp to get a mellower
>> sound (the Moody sound)?
>>
>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>
>> From: tronbros <tronbros@aol.com>
>> Sender: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 16:12:48 +0100
>> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
>> ReplyTo: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron
>>
>>
>> I don't think they thought about it as they wouldn't have been aware of
>> what had gone on to create the recordings. They would have accepted what
>> was provided with no thought to what could have been. I listen to CDs
>> and vinyl in complete ignorance of what was originally recorded.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> M
>>
>> mellotronics.co.uk
>>
>> On 25 Jul 2010, at 16:01, David Jacques <djacques@csulb.edu> wrote:
>>
>> > How much doctoring did bands such as Genesis, King Crimson, and The
>> Moody Blues use when recording the Mellotron to mask these degrations?
>>
>

>
> Well, that begs the question, if Streetly has the "protection masters,"  
> then who has the MASTERS? If Markus has them and uses them to make the sounds  
> for his new digital Mellotron sample player ( I refuse to call it the  
> M4000 or a Mellotron) and it uses 24 bit uncompressed samples from those  
> masters, it should sound OK I would think, and probably better than what's  
> offered by Clavia.
>  
> I'm skeptical as to whether there will be a huge market for it. I am  
> curious to hear it, though I imagine it sounds great. I just wonder what the  
> attraction is? If all of the same sounds are now offered by Clavia ( I think 
> you  can get them uncompressed now) and the Clavia machines can play those 
> samples  and a jillion other sounds, then all you are buying is cosmetics.
>  
> I never thought there would be that big a market for the Memotron. I wonder 
>  how many of them have been sold. So if all of the bands/individuals that 
> ever  wanted a stand alone Mellotron sample keyboard purchased a Memotron... 
> or if  even half of them did (hell, a fourth of them), how big is the market 
> going  to be for another digital Mellotron emulator? Are folks that have 
> Memotrons  going to stick them in a closet or on eBay and then by Markus' 
> machine? I'm sure  Markus' sample library and pricing will be vastly superior to 
> the Memotron's,  but still, is that going to be enough? There is no 
> question that everything he  makes is first rate, and I'm sure the quality will be 
> there, but are there going  to be enough people that need that difference? I 
> guess it really is attractive  to all of the people that really would like 
> to have the real thing but don't  have the money. However, at some point you 
> will have substantially  fulfilled that market and once those buyers have 
> the sample library, what else  is there to sell to the customer base?
>  
> It would be interesting to know how many people purchased a  Clavia 
> keyboard just to get the Mellotron sounds.
>  
> Frank
>  
>  
> In a message dated 7/25/2010 10:37:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> tronbros@... writes:
> 
> We  have Les's protection copies, one generation away from the MASTERS 
> (sing  hallelujas) but we never use them.  They are there as a valued archive  
> and have no place in regular tape production or any  simulation.
>

From Clavia?

In a message dated 7/25/2010 2:36:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, djacques@csulb.edu writes:

You could buy the same samples and play them on a Motif or Fantom.

> You did not have to buy the Clavia keyboard to get the Mellotron sounds.
> You could buy the same samples and play them on a Motif or Fantom. And
> with better fidelity and more tweakability than Clavia.
>
> Markus' machine will give you the feeling of playing a real mellotron with
> a very similar playing experience using the same keyboard. Plus it looks
> cool.
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lsf5275@aol.com
> Sender: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 14:17:20
> To: <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> Reply-To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron
>
> Well, that begs the question, if Streetly has the "protection masters,"
> then who has the MASTERS? If Markus has them and uses them to make the
> sounds
> for his new digital Mellotron sample player ( I refuse to call it the
> M4000 or a Mellotron) and it uses 24 bit uncompressed samples from those
> masters, it should sound OK I would think, and probably better than what's
> offered by Clavia.
>
> I'm skeptical as to whether there will be a huge market for it. I am
> curious to hear it, though I imagine it sounds great. I just wonder what
> the
> attraction is? If all of the same sounds are now offered by Clavia ( I
> think
> you  can get them uncompressed now) and the Clavia machines can play those
> samples  and a jillion other sounds, then all you are buying is
> cosmetics.
>
> I never thought there would be that big a market for the Memotron. I
> wonder
>  how many of them have been sold. So if all of the bands/individuals that
> ever  wanted a stand alone Mellotron sample keyboard purchased a
> Memotron...
> or if  even half of them did (hell, a fourth of them), how big is the
> market
> going  to be for another digital Mellotron emulator? Are folks that have
> Memotrons  going to stick them in a closet or on eBay and then by Markus'
> machine? I'm sure  Markus' sample library and pricing will be vastly
> superior to
> the Memotron's,  but still, is that going to be enough? There is no
> question that everything he  makes is first rate, and I'm sure the quality
> will be
> there, but are there going  to be enough people that need that difference?
> I
> guess it really is attractive  to all of the people that really would like
> to have the real thing but don't  have the money. However, at some point
> you
> will have substantially  fulfilled that market and once those buyers have
> the sample library, what else  is there to sell to the customer base?
>
> It would be interesting to know how many people purchased a  Clavia
> keyboard just to get the Mellotron sounds.
>
> Frank
>
>
> In a message dated 7/25/2010 10:37:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> tronbros@aol.com writes:
>
> We  have Les's protection copies, one generation away from the MASTERS
> (sing  hallelujas) but we never use them.  They are there as a valued
> archive
> and have no place in regular tape production or any  simulation.
>
>

From: lsf5275@aol.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 25, 2010, 2:17 PM

I'm skeptical as to whether there will be a huge market for it. I am curious to hear it, though I imagine it sounds great. I just wonder what the attraction is? If all of the same sounds are now offered by Clavia ( I think you can get them uncompressed now) and the Clavia machines can play those samples and a jillion other sounds, then all you are buying is cosmetics.


The 2 Clavia keyboards that are compatible with their sample library, do not have enough memory in either keyboard to store all the Chamberlin / Mellotron samples not to mention the other other samples from their library. All the samples from the library are looped and neither the Wave or Electro 3 have an interface as similar to a real mellotron as the NDM. From what I understand, sometime in the future Markus will be releasing a new sound card with 200 additional samples that can be inserted into the back of the NDM. The keyboardist will have 300 sounds available; some of these additional sounds may be looped duplicates of the 1st 100 sounds.

I guess it really is attractive to all of the people that really would like to have the real thing but don't have the money.

There is more to it (to the average person) than the initial cost of a brand new or completely renovated REAL mellotron. Speaking for myself, before buying the real thing, I would like to see and hear a perfect working one (without having to travel out of town) to determine whether it was right for me. There is the risk of shipping and having the know how to make any necessary adjustments when it arrives and to properly service the mellotron or find a competent technician who is capable of doing so. Then there is the issue of the number of sounds, the cost of new tape frames, and the storage space required if somebody requires greater than 3 sounds.

It would be interesting to know how many people purchased a Clavia keyboard just to get the Mellotron sounds.


In speaking with a few people in the group about the Memotron, it was kindly suggested that I check out Clavia keyboards. IMO, Clavia keyboards have a better "build quality" than the keyboards by other major manufactures that I've seen. If they stocked the Wave and the Electro 3 with all the Chamberlin / Mellotron samples, I would be more tempted to buy either or both of them.

Robert

> --- On Sun, 7/25/10, lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:
>
> From: lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, July 25, 2010, 2:17 PM
>
>
> \ufffd
> I'm skeptical as to whether there will be a huge market for it. I am
> curious to hear it, though I imagine it sounds great. I just wonder what
> the
> attraction is? If all of the same sounds are now offered by Clavia ( I
> think you
> can get them uncompressed now) and the Clavia machines can play those
> samples
> and a jillion other sounds, then all you are buying is cosmetics.
>
>
> The 2 Clavia keyboards that are compatible with their sample library, do
> not have enough memory in either keyboard to store all the Chamberlin /
> Mellotron samples not to mention the other other samples from their
> library.\ufffd All the samples from the library are looped and neither the Wave
> or Electro 3 have an interface as similar to a real mellotron as the NDM.\ufffd
> From what I understand, sometime in the future Markus will be releasing a
> new sound card with 200 additional samples that can be inserted into the
> back of the NDM.\ufffd The keyboardist will have 300 sounds available; some of
> these additional sounds may be looped duplicates of the 1st 100 sounds.
>
>
>
> \ufffd
> I guess it really is attractive
> to all of the people that really would like to have the real thing but
> don't
> have the money.
>
> There is more to it (to the average person) than the initial cost of a
> brand new or completely renovated REAL mellotron.\ufffd Speaking for myself,
> before buying the real thing, I would like
>  to see and hear a perfect working one (without having to travel out of
> town) to determine whether it was right for me.\ufffd There is the risk of
> shipping and having the know how to make any necessary adjustments when
> it arrives and to properly service the mellotron or find a competent
> technician who is capable of doing so.\ufffd Then there is the issue of the
> number of sounds, the cost of new tape frames, and the storage space
> required if somebody requires greater than 3 sounds.
>
>
>
> \ufffd
> It would be interesting to know how many people purchased\ufffda
> Clavia\ufffdkeyboard just to get the Mellotron sounds.
>
>
> In speaking with a few people in the group about the Memotron, it was
> kindly suggested that I check out Clavia keyboards.\ufffd IMO, Clavia keyboards
> have a better "build quality" than the keyboards by other major
> manufactures that I've seen.\ufffd If they stocked the Wave and the Electro 3
> with all the Chamberlin / Mellotron samples, I would be more tempted to
> buy either or both of them.
>
> Robert
>
>
>
>
>

>
> You are probably right.
> 
> Markus machine is probably not that great...
> 
> 100 Chamberlin and Mellotron sounds (200 with the expansion including
> Optigan, Orchestron and Talentmaker sounds) in a keyboard with a Mellotron
> keyboard made by the guy who owns the entire Mellotron/chamberlin tape
> library for a relatively low price.
> 
> It just has to be bad. Why would anyone want to tour with that ?
> 
> Right ?
> 
> 
> // Mattias 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Den 2010-07-23 23.32, skrev "tronbros" <tronbros@...>:
> 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >    
> > 
> > However,the Memotron is taken from a host of real 'trons and tape frames of
> > different pedigrees so it could be argued it is closer than the Reschotron to
> > the real thing.  Of course I could be wrong!
> > 
> > Best,
> > 
> > Martin
> > 
> > mellotronics.co.uk <http://mellotronics.co.uk>
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 23 Jul 2010, at 21:32, "tron400" <tron400@...> wrote:
> > 
> >>   
> >>    
> >> 
> >> If I were to buy a digital Tron, it would be the Mellotron Archives "M4000D"
> >> because the samples are probably way better. It also has a real Tron keyboard
> >> to help simulate the actual feel. I think the Memotron is now obsolete. It's
> >> just the M-Tron in a box and it costs more than the "M4000D" (hopefully, the
> >> name will change before it comes out on the market).
> >> 
> >> Bernie
> >> 
> >> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> >> <mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> , "d829d" <d829d@> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > no I havent heard it up close that's my point...how close do you have to
> >>> be ? LOL
> >>> > 
> >>> > seriously those sounds are very alluring
> >>> > 
> >>> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> >>> <mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> , "tron400" <tron400@> wrote:
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > Have you heard one up close? I didn't thing they were available yet;
> >>>> unless you're talking about the Memotron, which which uses the M-Tron
> >>>> samples and those aren't of the highest quality.
> >>>> > > 
> >>>> > > Bernie
> >>>> > > 
> >>>> > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> >>>> <mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> , "d829d" <d829d@> wrote:
> >>>>> > > >
> >>>>> > > > yeah but I have been playing piano since I was 10 thats 36 years and
> >>>>> have a very good ear and this thing sounds fantastic to my well trained
> ear.
> >>>>> > > > 
> >>>>> > > > dd
> >>>>> > > > 
> >>>>> > > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> >>>>> <mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> , Bruce Daily <pocotron@> >>>>>
> wrote:
> >>>>>> > > > >
> >>>>>> > > > > It probably sounds like a Mellotron, but nothing beats the Real
> Thing!
> >>>>>> > > > > Â 
> >>>>>> > > > > Â  -Bruce D.
> >>>>>> > > > > 
> >>>>>> > > > > --- On Wed, 7/21/10, d829d <d829d@> wrote:
> >>>>>> > > > > 
> >>>>>> > > > > 
> >>>>>> > > > > From: d829d <d829d@>
> >>>>>> > > > > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] New Digital Mellotron
> >>>>>> > > > > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> >>>>>> <mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> >>>>>> > > > > Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 2:57 PM
> >>>>>> > > > > 
> >>>>>> > > > > 
> >>>>>> > > > > Â  
> >>>>>> > > > > 
> >>>>>> > > > > 
> >>>>>> > > > > 
> >>>>>> > > > > This has probably been talked about before but I am new here and
> >>>>>> wanted to ask what you all think of it ?
> >>>>>> > > > > 
> >>>>>> > > > > dd
> >>>>>> > > > >
> >>>>> > > >
> >>>> > >
> >>> >
> >> 
> >>  
> >>   
> >>  
> >>    
> >> 
> >>>>
>

From: lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 25, 2010, 9:58 PM


  




I would debate that point, Bruce. With a decent motor and proper belt tension as well as having an SMS-2, SMS-3 or SMS-5 and a properly set up keyboard, there will be no noticeable change in pitch. Of course if your pinch rollers are like hockey pucks and you have to crank them and the pressure pads down to any degree to get it to play, that might be true. When I get my Trons set up and properly adjusted, I can strobe the flywheel and watch as I play and everything is rock steady, even with many keys depressed simultaneously. Now obviously most Trons are not set up and adjusted as well as they can/should be or the motors have never been cleaned, rebuilt or replaced.
 
Frank
 

In a message dated 7/25/2010 7:35:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pocotron@yahoo. com writes:
This extends to the slowing effect that depressing a key has on the capstan.  Good motor controllers smooth this out, but it is still subtly there, and can affect other notes already playing.

From:  lsf5275@aol.From<lsf5275@aol.lsf>
Subject: Re:  [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron
To:  newmellotrongroup@To:  To:
Date: Sunday, July 25,  2010, 9:58 PM


 
 
I would debate that point, Bruce. With a decent motor and proper  belt 
tension as well as having an SMS-2, SMS-3 or SMS-5 and a  properly set up 
keyboard, there will be no noticeable change in pitch.  Of course if your pinch 
rollers are like hockey pucks and you have to  crank them and the pressure 
pads down to any degree to get it to play,  that might be true. When I get my 
Trons set up and properly adjusted,  I can strobe the flywheel and watch as I 
play and everything is rock  steady, even with many keys depressed 
simultaneously. Now obviously  most Trons are not set up and adjusted as well as 
they can/should be  or the motors have never been cleaned, rebuilt or replaced.
 
Frank
 
 
In a message dated 7/25/2010 7:35:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
pocotron@yahoo. com writes:

This extends to the slowing effect that depressing a key has  on the 
capstan.  Good motor controllers smooth this out, but it  is still subtly there, 
and can affect other notes already  playing.

>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@ wrote:
> >
> > Those are 16 bit samples, not 24 bit samples. They are also not the  
> > complete sets of Mellotron and Chamberlin sounds.
> 
> 
> Are you sure? I know David Kean, when he made the Pindertron CD, sampled things at 32kHz 16bit, but that was a zillion years ago when Windows 3.1 was probably cutting edge and George Bush Snr was still in charge. Or something.
> 
> In any case, a bit depth of 16 bit is perfect for capturing a single sound source (and gives a dynamic range hugely greater than the mellotron tapes in any case)... it's only when you start multi-tracking and mixing lots and lots of tracks and sources in a DAW that they realise you need 24 bit (or 32 bit float)
>

>
> 
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "feline1973" <feline1@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Those are 16 bit samples, not 24 bit samples. They are also not the  
> > > complete sets of Mellotron and Chamberlin sounds.
> > 
> > 
> > Are you sure? I know David Kean, when he made the Pindertron CD, sampled things at 32kHz 16bit, but that was a zillion years ago when Windows 3.1 was probably cutting edge and George Bush Snr was still in charge. Or something.
> > 
> > In any case, a bit depth of 16 bit is perfect for capturing a single sound source (and gives a dynamic range hugely greater than the mellotron tapes in any case)... it's only when you start multi-tracking and mixing lots and lots of tracks and sources in a DAW that they realise you need 24 bit (or 32 bit float)
> >
> 
> The samples on my Pinder CD are 22,050 kHz, or 1/2 of CD quality. They still sound pretty good, but there's room for improvement.
> 
> Bernie
>

From: lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 6:50 AM


  




So you want a perfectly imperfect Mellotron... is that right? 
 

In a message dated 7/26/2010 1:31:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pocotron@yahoo. com writes:
  






  Very true, Frank.  Good motor controllers make it easy.  Getting to that perfection is like an audiophile trying to adjust a high-end turntable for perfect reproduction.  It takes work, both in time and money.
  I want my pinch rollers to work smoothly, which they do.  I want to hold down 2 handfuls of notes without pitch lowering, and it does.  But, I also want the imperfect sound of a Mellotron.
   Each machine is unique in the way it plays or sounds.  But, I think the anomalies and imperfections make the tron what it is.  I also claim that these are the same qualities, however subtle, that are lost in samples.
 
 -Stubbornly, Bruce D.


--- On Sun, 7/25/10, lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com> wrote:


From: lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, July 25, 2010, 9:58 PM


  


I would debate that point, Bruce. With a decent motor and proper belt tension as well as having an SMS-2, SMS-3 or SMS-5 and a properly set up keyboard, there will be no noticeable change in pitch. Of course if your pinch rollers are like hockey pucks and you have to crank them and the pressure pads down to any degree to get it to play, that might be true. When I get my Trons set up and properly adjusted, I can strobe the flywheel and watch as I play and everything is rock steady, even with many keys depressed simultaneously. Now obviously most Trons are not set up and adjusted as well as they can/should be or the motors have never been cleaned, rebuilt or replaced.
 
Frank
 

In a message dated 7/25/2010 7:35:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pocotron@yahoo. com writes:
This extends to the slowing effect that depressing a key has on the capstan.  Good motor controllers smooth this out, but it is still subtly there, and can affect other notes already playing.

From:  lsf5275@aol.From<lsf5275@aol.lsf>
Subject: Re:  [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron
To:  newmellotrongroup@To:  To:
Date: Monday, July 26,  2010, 6:50 AM


 
 
So you want a perfectly imperfect Mellotron... is that right?  

 
In a message dated 7/26/2010 1:31:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
pocotron@yahoo. com writes:

 
     
Very true, Frank.  Good motor controllers  make it easy.  Getting to that 
perfection is like an  audiophile trying to adjust a high-end turntable for 
perfect  reproduction.  It takes work, both in time and  money.
  I want my pinch rollers to work smoothly, which  they do.  I want to hold 
down 2 handfuls of notes without  pitch lowering, and it does.  But, I also 
want  the imperfect sound of a Mellotron.
   Each machine is unique in the way it  plays or sounds.  But, I think the 
anomalies and  imperfections make the tron what it is.  I also claim  that 
these are the same qualities, however subtle, that are  lost in samples.
 
 -Stubbornly, Bruce D.


--- On Sun, 7/25/10, lsf5275@aol. com  <lsf5275@aol. com> wrote:



From:  lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com>
Subject: Re:  [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron
To:  newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, July  25, 2010, 9:58 PM


 
 
I would debate that point, Bruce. With a decent motor  and proper belt 
tension as well as having an SMS-2,  SMS-3 or SMS-5 and a properly set up 
keyboard, there  will be no noticeable change in pitch. Of course if your  pinch 
rollers are like hockey pucks and you have to crank  them and the pressure 
pads down to any degree to get it to  play, that might be true. When I get my 
Trons set up and  properly adjusted, I can strobe the flywheel and watch as 
I  play and everything is rock steady, even with many keys  depressed 
simultaneously. Now obviously most Trons are not  set up and adjusted as well as 
they can/should be or the  motors have never been cleaned, rebuilt or 
replaced.
 
Frank
 
 
In a message dated 7/25/2010 7:35:22 P.M. Eastern  Daylight Time, 
pocotron@yahoo. com writes:

This extends to the slowing effect  that depressing a key has on the 
capstan.  Good motor  controllers smooth this out, but it is still subtly there,  
and can affect other notes already  playing.

From: lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 1:28 PM


  




Actually, I think I got it backward. You want an imperfectly perfect Mellotron. Oh God!!!! I'm being sucked into a black h
 

In a message dated 7/26/2010 2:09:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pocotron@yahoo. com writes:
  






Exactly!
 
Just keep doing what you're doing, Frank, you'll get there...
 
-Bruce D.
 


--- On Mon, 7/26/10, lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com> wrote:


From: lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 6:50 AM


  


So you want a perfectly imperfect Mellotron... is that right? 
 

In a message dated 7/26/2010 1:31:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pocotron@yahoo. com writes:
  






  Very true, Frank.  Good motor controllers make it easy.  Getting to that perfection is like an audiophile trying to adjust a high-end turntable for perfect reproduction.  It takes work, both in time and money.
  I want my pinch rollers to work smoothly, which they do.  I want to hold down 2 handfuls of notes without pitch lowering, and it does.  But, I also want the imperfect sound of a Mellotron.
   Each machine is unique in the way it plays or sounds.  But, I think the anomalies and imperfections make the tron what it is.  I also claim that these are the same qualities, however subtle, that are lost in samples.
 
 -Stubbornly, Bruce D.


--- On Sun, 7/25/10, lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com> wrote:


From: lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, July 25, 2010, 9:58 PM


  


I would debate that point, Bruce. With a decent motor and proper belt tension as well as having an SMS-2, SMS-3 or SMS-5 and a properly set up keyboard, there will be no noticeable change in pitch. Of course if your pinch rollers are like hockey pucks and you have to crank them and the pressure pads down to any degree to get it to play, that might be true. When I get my Trons set up and properly adjusted, I can strobe the flywheel and watch as I play and everything is rock steady, even with many keys depressed simultaneously. Now obviously most Trons are not set up and adjusted as well as they can/should be or the motors have never been cleaned, rebuilt or replaced.
 
Frank
 

In a message dated 7/25/2010 7:35:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pocotron@yahoo. com writes:
This extends to the slowing effect that depressing a key has on the capstan.  Good motor controllers smooth this out, but it is still subtly there, and can affect other notes already playing.

Dave, I think the M5000 is what that is.

In a message dated 7/26/2010 8:20:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, djacques@csulb.edu writes:

What would it cost to build a Mark II today? And how many units would you have to sell to start making a profit?

----- Original Message -----

From: njoseph130@aol.com

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 12:10 AM

Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron

So okay gang,

Let's convince Martin and the Bradleys to produce a "Streetly" Digital Mellotron module with the high quality "Real Deal" samples, that only they can produce, and that can be played via a MIDI cable and a Master Keyboard. We really don't need toys, ie. Memotron, "etc", that look like Trons, but play samples. Our beloved REAL Mellotrons can then be left in the safety of our homes and the "Streetly" module(s) could then be used for live gigs.I think that even Mike Pinder would approve!!!! The IPOD/IPAD Streetly stuff is great but they can't be played live very easily, especially when grabbin "Tron" chords while playing my favorite "Moodies" stuff.

Mark

PS. Lets hear it for Martin and the gang!! Rah Rah,You guys can do it!!

----- Original Message -----

From: ClayE

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 5:45 AM

Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron

I am sure that Mattias didn't intend to be taken seriously. He wasn't even being subtle. Isn't it obvious?

Clay

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, mattias wrote:
>
> You are probably right.
>
> Markus machine is probably not that great...
>
> 100 Chamberlin and Mellotron sounds (200 with the expansion including
> Optigan, Orchestron and Talentmaker sounds) in a keyboard with a Mellotron
> keyboard made by the guy who owns the entire Mellotron/chamberlin tape
> library for a relatively low price.
>
> It just has to be bad. Why would anyone want to tour with that ?
>
> Right ?
>
>
> // Mattias
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Den 2010-07-23 23.32, skrev "tronbros" :
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > However,the Memotron is taken from a host of real 'trons and tape frames of
> > different pedigrees so it could be argued it is closer than the Reschotron to
> > the real thing. Of course I could be wrong!
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > mellotronics.co.uk <http://mellotronics.co.uk>
> >
> >
> >
> > On 23 Jul 2010, at 21:32, "tron400" wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> If I were to buy a digital Tron, it would be the Mellotron Archives "M4000D"
> >> because the samples are probably way better. It also has a real Tron keyboard
> >> to help simulate the actual feel. I think the Memotron is now obsolete. It's
> >> just the M-Tron in a box and it costs more than the "M4000D" (hopefully, the
> >> name will change before it comes out on the market).
> >>
> >> Bernie
> >>
> >> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> >> newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> , "d829d" wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > no I havent heard it up close that's my point...how close do you have to
> >>> be ? LOL
> >>> >
> >>> > seriously those sounds are very alluring
> >>> >
> >>> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> >>> newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> , "tron400" wrote:
>; >>>> > >
> >>>> > > Have you heard one up close? I didn't thing they were available yet;
> >;>>> unless you're talking about the Memotron, which which uses the M-Tron
> >>>> samples and those aren't of the highest quality.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > Bernie
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> >>>> newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> , "d829d" wrote:
> >>>>> > > >
> >>>>> >; > > yeah but I have been playing piano since I was 10 thats 36 years and
> >>>>> have a very good ear and this thing sounds fantastic to my well trained
> ear.
> >>>>> > > >
> >>>>> > > > dd
> >>>>> > > >
> >>>>> > > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> >>>>> newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> , Bruce Daily >;>>>>
> wrote:
> >>>>>> > > > >
> >>>>>> > > > > It probably sounds like a Mellotron, but nothing beats the Real
> Thing!
> >>>>>> > > > > Â
> >>>>>> > > > > Â -Bruce D.
> >>>>>> > > > >
> >>>>>> > > > > --- On Wed, 7/21/10, d829d wrote:
> >>>>>> > > > >
> >>>>>> > > > >
> >>>>>> > > > > From: d829d
> >>>>>> >; > > > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] New Digital Mellotron
> >>>>>> > > > > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> >>>>>> newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> >>>>>> > > > > Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 2:57 PM
> >>>>>> > > > >
> >>>>>> > > > >
> >>>>>> > > > > Â
> >>>>>> > > > >
> >>>>>> > > > >
> >>>>>> > > > >
> >>>>>> > > > > This has probably been talked about before but I am new here and
> >>>>>> wanted to ask what you all think of it ?
> >>>>>> >; > > >
> >>>>>> > > > > dd
> >>>>>> > > > >
> >>>>> > > >
> >>>> > >
> >>> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>
>

>
> The M5000 (delayed a little but well underway) is a 48 voice MKII style instrument.  It will eventually retail at around twice the price of an M4000.
> 
> Best,
> 
> M
> 
> mellotronics.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> On 27 Jul 2010, at 00:29, djacques@... wrote:
> 
> > I have a question for the tron brothers. What would it cost to build a Mark II today? And how many units would you have to sell to start making a profit?
>

On 27 Jul 2010, at 10:49, "feline1973" <feline1@feline1.co.uk> wrote:

> Are you ever going to publish a price for the M4000, 
> or does it just remain "those who need to ask, can't afford it"? :)
> 
> (cf the M4000D is going for $1900 USD plus shipping, I gather...
> about £1300 quid, at the current FX rate)
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, tronbros <tronbros@...> wrote:
> >
> > The M5000 (delayed a little but well underway) is a 48 voice MKII style instrument. It will eventually retail at around twice the price of an M4000.
> > 
> > Best,
> > 
> > M
> > 
> > mellotronics.co.uk
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 27 Jul 2010, at 00:29, djacques@... wrote:
> > 
> > > I have a question for the tron brothers. What would it cost to build a Mark II today? And how many units would you have to sell to start making a profit?
> >
> 
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Mattias Olsson (Roth Händle studios)

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 1:48 AM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron

Go Streetly !

// Mattias

PS what does " Real Deal " samples mean ?

----- Original Message -----

From: njoseph130@aol.com

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 12:10 AM

Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron

So okay gang,

Let's convince Martin and the Bradleys to produce a "Streetly" Digital Mellotron module with the high quality "Real Deal" samples, that only they can produce, and that can be played via a MIDI cable and a Master Keyboard. We really don't need toys, ie. Memotron, "etc", that look like Trons, but play samples. Our beloved REAL Mellotrons can then be left in the safety of our homes and the "Streetly" module(s) could then be used for live gigs.I think that even Mike Pinder would approve!!!! The IPOD/IPAD Streetly stuff is great but they can't be played live very easily, especially when grabbin "Tron" chords while playing my favorite "Moodies" stuff.

Mark

PS. Lets hear it for Martin and the gang!! Rah Rah,You guys can do it!!

----- Original Message -----

From: feline1973

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 5:49 AM

Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron

Are you ever going to publish a price for the M4000,
or does it just remain "those who need to ask, can't afford it"? :)

(cf the M4000D is going for $1900 USD plus shipping, I gather...
about £1300 quid, at the current FX rate)

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, tronbros wrote:
>
> The M5000 (delayed a little but well underway) is a 48 voice MKII style instrument. It will eventually retail at around twice the price of an M4000.
>
> Best,
>
> M
>
> mellotronics.co.uk
>
>
>
> On 27 Jul 2010, at 00:29, djacques@... wrote:
>
> > I have a question for the tron brothers. What would it cost to build a Mark II today? And how many units would you have to sell to start making a profit?
>

----- Original Message -----

From: tony1

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 1:55 PM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron

It means in so many words "the original ", not a knock off or a copy of an original item/idea etc.

Tony #510

----- Original Message -----

From: Mattias Olsson (Roth Händle studios)

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 1:48 AM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron

Go Streetly !

// Mattias

PS what does " Real Deal " samples mean ?

----- Original Message -----

From: njoseph130@aol.com

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 12:10 AM

Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron

So okay gang,

Let's convince Martin and the Bradleys to produce a "Streetly" Digital Mellotron module with the high quality "Real Deal" samples, that only they can produce, and that can be played via a MIDI cable and a Master Keyboard. We really don't need toys, ie. Memotron, "etc", that look like Trons, but play samples. Our beloved REAL Mellotrons can then be left in the safety of our homes and the "Streetly" module(s) could then be used for live gigs.I think that even Mike Pinder would approve!!!! The IPOD/IPAD Streetly stuff is great but they can't be played live very easily, especially when grabbin "Tron" chords while playing my favorite "Moodies" stuff.

Mark

PS. Lets hear it for Martin and the gang!! Rah Rah,You guys can do it!!

>
> Gbp 5300 with bespoke tapes
> Gbp 4900 with standard tapes
> 
> Subject to VAT at 17.5% in the EC
> 
> There!
> 
> M
> 
> mellotronics.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> On 27 Jul 2010, at 10:49, "feline1973" <feline1@...> wrote:
> 
> > Are you ever going to publish a price for the M4000, 
> > or does it just remain "those who need to ask, can't afford it"? :)
> > 
> > (cf the M4000D is going for $1900 USD plus shipping, I gather...
> > about £1300 quid, at the current FX rate)
> > 
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, tronbros <tronbros@> wrote:
> > >
> > > The M5000 (delayed a little but well underway) is a 48 voice MKII style instrument. It will eventually retail at around twice the price of an M4000.
> > > 
> > > Best,
> > > 
> > > M
> > > 
> > > mellotronics.co.uk
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 27 Jul 2010, at 00:29, djacques@ wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I have a question for the tron brothers. What would it cost to build a Mark II today? And how many units would you have to sell to start making a profit?
> > >
> > 
> >
>

>
>
> In a message dated 27/07/2010 19:21:44 GMT Daylight Time, 
> MAinPsych@aol.com writes:
>
>     You can borrow my Mirage 
>
> I wonder how many tron owners also have Mirages (now a rack in my 
> case...)?
>  
> Norm
>
>
> _
>
>

From: Sean <fourtytwominds@yahoo.com>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Received: Saturday, 7 August, 2010, 2:46 PM







 



  


    
      
      
      It seems I can never overcome my chronic bouts of lurking. Let'se if this time is any different!



--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, tronbros <tronbros@...> wrote:

>

> Because he didn't like the MKII preamplifier - it's aggressive - but KC loved it!

> 

> M

> 

> mellotronics.co.uk



Any specifics? Does the stock preamp have a telltale response curve? Pinder's a different? Or does it introduce a measure of compression, or distortion?



I'm trying to tease out what info I can to make the most of the M-Tron samples I've got. I'd like to nail both the Crimson sound and the Moodies sound, and switch between the two as I want.

 

> 

> On 25 Jul 2010, at 17:11, djacques@... wrote:

> 

> > True. But were they "satisfied" with what was provided with the production tapes? If so, why so much processing, double tracking, and reverb? Why did Pinder change to a solid state preamp to get a mellower sound (the Moody sound)?

>



Curious. I've been having problems getting some truly fat MkII brass. I can get it with a big bottom, but it's a mud monster no matter what I've tried EQ wise so far. I can get it clear, but anorexically thin. Again, M-Tron samples, and they'll have to make do.



Also, anyone attempt to make a software edit for the VST version of the original M-Tron? I'm looking for a half-speed switch. Should be an easy matter of a functional button that halves the replay sample rate. I've just no programming skills.



Much thanks.

Sean

> Also, anyone attempt to make a software edit for the VST version of the original M-Tron? I'm looking for a half-speed switch. Should be an easy matter of a functional button that halves the replay sample rate. I've just no programming skills.
> 
> Much thanks.
> Sean
>

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sean
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 7:47 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron



Also, anyone attempt to make a software edit for the VST version of the original M-Tron? I'm looking for a half-speed switch. Should be an easy matter of a functional button that halves the replay sample rate. I've just no programming skills.

Much thanks.
Sean

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Aug 8, 2010 10:46 am
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron


  
    
                  
Mark Pring wrote:


   
  
  
    
      
        
I now wonder if trying to emulate other peoples sounds isreally that satisfying, might be better to come up with somethingnobody has heard before, when my tron is back in action I'm planning tofeed the output through my microkorg or monotron for what I hope willbe some interesting sounds.
        
      
    
  
  
  
    

My thoughts exactly. Why copy someone else's 'signature sound'; whenyou can find your own?


Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: lsf5275@aol.com
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Aug 9, 2010 11:18 am
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron


  
    
                  
But then again, you have real talent. 
 

In a message dated 8/9/2010 11:13:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, fdoddy@aol.com writes:
Personally, I'd rather create a story than create a   signature.

>
> Copying someone else's sound has great educational value, imho. It teaches signal flow, exposes a creative process different than one's own, and is fantastic ear training. I highly recommend copying another's sound whilst in search of one's own.
> 
> "...something nobody heard before"....is a request I get constantly from my commercial clients...and you get 5 hours to create it.  No thank you!
> 
> Personally, I'd rather create a story than create a signature.
> 
> 
> fritz
> 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, Aug 8, 2010 10:46 am
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron
> 
> 
>   
>     
>                   
> Mark Pring wrote:
> 
> 
>    
>   
>   
>     
>       
>         
> I now wonder if trying to emulate other peoples sounds isreally that satisfying, might be better to come up with somethingnobody has heard before, when my tron is back in action I'm planning tofeed the output through my microkorg or monotron for what I hope willbe some interesting sounds.
>         
>       
>     
>   
>   
>   
>     
> 
> My thoughts exactly. Why copy someone else's 'signature sound'; whenyou can find your own?
> 
> 
> Mike
>

>
> Copying someone else's sound has great educational value, imho. It teaches signal flow, exposes a creative process different than one's own, and is fantastic ear training. I highly recommend copying another's sound whilst in search of one's own.
> 
> "...something nobody heard before"....is a request I get constantly from my commercial clients...and you get 5 hours to create it.  No thank you!
> 
> Personally, I'd rather create a story than create a signature.
> 
> 
> fritz
> 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, Aug 8, 2010 10:46 am
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron
> 
> 
>   
>     
>                   
> Mark Pring wrote:
> 
> 
>    
>   
>   
>     
>       
>         
> I now wonder if trying to emulate other peoples sounds isreally that satisfying, might be better to come up with somethingnobody has heard before, when my tron is back in action I'm planning tofeed the output through my microkorg or monotron for what I hope willbe some interesting sounds.
>         
>       
>     
>   
>   
>   
>     
> 
> My thoughts exactly. Why copy someone else's 'signature sound'; whenyou can find your own?
> 
> 
> Mike
>

----- Original Message -----

From: ceccles_ca

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 1:14 PM

Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron

Hans-Jürgen's Triumvirat - A good example of copying someone else's sound. Fortunately they had talent and wrote a few unique songs.

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, fdoddy@... wrote:
>
> Copying someone else's sound has great educational value, imho. It teaches signal flow, exposes a creative process different than one's own, and is fantastic ear training. I highly recommend copying another's sound whilst in search of one's own.
>
> "...something nobody heard before"....is a request I get constantly from my commercial clients...and you get 5 hours to create it. No thank you!
>
> Personally, I'd rather create a story than create a signature.
>
>
> fritz
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Dickson
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, Aug 8, 2010 10:46 am
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron
>
>
>
>
>
> Mark Pring wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I now wonder if trying to emulate other peoples sounds isreally that satisfying, might be better to come up with somethingnobody has heard before, when my tron is back in action I'm planning tofeed the output through my microkorg or monotron for what I hope willbe some interesting sounds.
>
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>
>
> My thoughts exactly. Why copy someone else's 'signature sound'; whenyou can find your own?
>
>
> Mike
>

>
> Copying someone else's sound has great   educational value, imho. It teaches signal flow, exposes a creative process   different than one's own, and is fantastic ear training. I highly recommend   copying another's sound whilst in search of one's own.
> 
>   "...something nobody heard before"....is a request I get constantly from my   commercial clients...and you get 5 hours to create it. No thank you!
>   
> Personally, I'd rather create a story than create a   signature.
> 
> 
> fritz
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original   Message-----
> From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...>
> To:   newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Sun, Aug 8, 2010 10:46 am
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re:   New Digital Mellotron
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   Mark Pring wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> I now wonder if trying to emulate other peoples   sounds isreally that satisfying, might be better to come up with   somethingnobody has heard before, when my tron is back in action I'm planning   tofeed the output through my microkorg or monotron for what I hope willbe some   interesting sounds.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> My thoughts exactly. Why copy someone else's   'signature sound'; whenyou can find your own?
> 
> 
>   Mike
>

>  
>
> Weird pairing...
>
> never a real Fleetwood fan either, but Lindsey Buckingham really is a 
> brilliant guitarist.
>
>
> fritz
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tony1 <atm655@verizon.net>
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:54 pm
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron
>
>  
> I saw Triumvirat open for Fleetwood Mac, who I never cared for anyway.
> Wasn't there to see them, but Triumvirat were tight as Hell.
>  
> Tony1
>  
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* ceccles_ca <mailto:ecclesreinson@rogers.com>
>     *To:* newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
>     *Sent:* Monday, August 09, 2010 1:14 PM
>     *Subject:* [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron
>
>      
>     Hans-J�rgen's Triumvirat - A good example of copying someone
>     else's sound. Fortunately they had talent and wrote a few unique
>     songs.
>
>     --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>, fdoddy@... wrote:
>     >
>     > Copying someone else's sound has great educational value, imho.
>     It teaches signal flow, exposes a creative process different than
>     one's own, and is fantastic ear training. I highly recommend
>     copying another's sound whilst in search of one's own.
>     >
>     > "...something nobody heard before"....is a request I get
>     constantly from my commercial clients...and you get 5 hours to
>     create it. No thank you!
>     >
>     > Personally, I'd rather create a story than create a signature.
>     >
>     >
>     > fritz
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > -----Original Message-----
>     > From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...>
>     > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
>     > Sent: Sun, Aug 8, 2010 10:46 am
>     > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > Mark Pring wrote:
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > I now wonder if trying to emulate other peoples sounds isreally
>     that satisfying, might be better to come up with somethingnobody
>     has heard before, when my tron is back in action I'm planning
>     tofeed the output through my microkorg or monotron for what I hope
>     willbe some interesting sounds.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > My thoughts exactly. Why copy someone else's 'signature sound';
>     whenyou can find your own?
>     >
>     >
>     > Mike
>     >
>
>

>  
>
> Weird pairing...
>
> never a real Fleetwood fan either, but Lindsey Buckingham really is a 
> brilliant guitarist.
>
>
> fritz
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tony1 <atm655@verizon.net>
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, Aug 9, 2010 3:54 pm
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron
>
>  
> I saw Triumvirat open for Fleetwood Mac, who I never cared for anyway.
> Wasn't there to see them, but Triumvirat were tight as Hell.
>  
> Tony1
>  
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* ceccles_ca <mailto:ecclesreinson@rogers.com>
>     *To:* newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
>     *Sent:* Monday, August 09, 2010 1:14 PM
>     *Subject:* [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron
>
>      
>     Hans-J�rgen's Triumvirat - A good example of copying someone
>     else's sound. Fortunately they had talent and wrote a few unique
>     songs.
>
>     --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>, fdoddy@... wrote:
>     >
>     > Copying someone else's sound has great educational value, imho.
>     It teaches signal flow, exposes a creative process different than
>     one's own, and is fantastic ear training. I highly recommend
>     copying another's sound whilst in search of one's own.
>     >
>     > "...something nobody heard before"....is a request I get
>     constantly from my commercial clients...and you get 5 hours to
>     create it. No thank you!
>     >
>     > Personally, I'd rather create a story than create a signature.
>     >
>     >
>     > fritz
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > -----Original Message-----
>     > From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...>
>     > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
>     > Sent: Sun, Aug 8, 2010 10:46 am
>     > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > Mark Pring wrote:
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > I now wonder if trying to emulate other peoples sounds isreally
>     that satisfying, might be better to come up with somethingnobody
>     has heard before, when my tron is back in action I'm planning
>     tofeed the output through my microkorg or monotron for what I hope
>     willbe some interesting sounds.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > My thoughts exactly. Why copy someone else's 'signature sound';
>     whenyou can find your own?
>     >
>     >
>     > Mike
>     >
>
>

    >
    > Copying someone else's sound has great educational value, imho. It teaches signal flow, exposes a creative process different than one's own, and is fantastic ear training. I highly recommend copying another's sound whilst in search of one's own.
    > 
    > "...something nobody heard before"....is a request I get constantly from my commercial clients...and you get 5 hours to create it. No thank you!
    > 
    > Personally, I'd rather create a story than create a signature.
    > 
    > 
    > fritz
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...>
    > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    > Sent: Sun, Aug 8, 2010 10:46 am
    > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > Mark Pring wrote:
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > I now wonder if trying to emulate other peoples sounds isreally that satisfying, might be better to come up with somethingnobody has heard before, when my tron is back in action I'm planning tofeed the output through my microkorg or monotron for what I hope willbe some interesting sounds.
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > My thoughts exactly. Why copy someone else's 'signature sound'; whenyou can find your own?
    > 
    > 
    > Mike
    >

    >
    > Copying someone else's sound has great educational value, imho. It teaches signal flow, exposes a creative process different than one's own, and is fantastic ear training. I highly recommend copying another's sound whilst in search of one's own.
    > 
    > "...something nobody heard before"....is a request I get constantly from my commercial clients...and you get 5 hours to create it. No thank you!
    > 
    > Personally, I'd rather create a story than create a signature.
    > 
    > 
    > fritz
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...>
    > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    > Sent: Sun, Aug 8, 2010 10:46 am
    > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > Mark Pring wrote:
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > I now wonder if trying to emulate other peoples sounds isreally that satisfying, might be better to come up with somethingnobody has heard before, when my tron is back in action I'm planning tofeed the output through my microkorg or monotron for what I hope willbe some interesting sounds.
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > My thoughts exactly. Why copy someone else's 'signature sound'; whenyou can find your own?
    > 
    > 
    > Mike
    >

>
>
> Spartacus was a great album!
>
>  
>
> *From:* newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *ceccles_ca
> *Sent:* Monday, August 09, 2010 10:14 AM
> *To:* newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Hans-J\ufffdrgen's Triumvirat - A good example of copying someone else's 
> sound. Fortunately they had talent and wrote a few unique songs.
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, fdoddy@... wrote:
> >
> > Copying someone else's sound has great educational value, imho. It 
> teaches signal flow, exposes a creative process different than one's 
> own, and is fantastic ear training. I highly recommend copying 
> another's sound whilst in search of one's own.
> >
> > "...something nobody heard before"....is a request I get constantly 
> from my commercial clients...and you get 5 hours to create it. No 
> thank you!
> >
> > Personally, I'd rather create a story than create a signature.
> >
> >
> > fritz
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@... <mailto:mike.dickson@...>>
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sun, Aug 8, 2010 10:46 am
> > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: New Digital Mellotron
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark Pring wrote:
> >
> >
>

>
>
> Hi Pete,
>
> I haven\ufffdt heard it for many years. I had it on vinyl. How does the 
> remaster sound?
>
> I will need to find a copy. What ever happened to that band\ufffd.are they 
> still playing?
>
> Gary
>
> *From:* newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *marabus
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 10, 2010 2:18 AM
> *To:* newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [newmellotrongroup]Triumvirat was New Digital Mellotron
>
> Was just spinning the remastered cd a few days ago.
> Pete
>
> Gary Brumm wrote:
> >
> >
> > Spartacus was a great album!
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>