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Recording and playing the M400

Recording and playing the M400

2010-04-10 by Mark Pring

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBnWypnFiQc



Last night I decided to give the synths a rest and record a simple piece on solo mellotron. You can hear it by clicking on the link above. I have a few observations. They are not meant as criticisms of the mellotron, I love mine and I am happy with how it plays and sounds.


1) The M400 was obviously designed for rock groups rather than home use and to be a backing rather than solo instrument. The Mark II and to a lesser extent the M300 are really home and solo machines. The raw sound output of an M400 seems to my ears to need an awful lot of processing, is this as much of an issue on a Mark II? Thinking back to the MarkII demo video it doesn't seem to be.


2) Playing my M400 as a solo keyboard it is really difficult to balance the right and left hands, the bass notes easily overwhelming the treble especially on the M300a strings and split choir a little less on the 3 violins and Mark II flute. It can be partially offset by equalisation and by not playing triads, I don't think it is a problem unique to #1565, Martin has sorted the headblock so it isn't an azimuth issue, and listening to tron solos they are often either a single melodic line eg. Seven Stones, Golf Girl, Exiles or a series of chord progressions eg Mocking bird, She said.


So to me the best use of M400's are either as a musical "filler" using chords or as single line solos they are not really full keyboard instruments like a piano or organ. I suspect that this is not true of Mark II's M300's and M5000's.


I assume that the new digital mellotron isn't going to allow you to play two independent voices at once , which is a shame as even a 25 note keyboard as on the Korg Micro X can be split to good effect.


Mark


PS I don't think I have ever managed to quite get rid of the smell of mouseshit from #1565, when it warms up I always have to play with a cat wrapped around my legs.


PPS I am thinking of eventually buying some good powered speakers and recording them with a microphone.


Re: [newmellotrongroup] Recording and playing the M400

2010-04-10 by lsf5275@aol.com

There is far more to getting proper sound from a Mellotron than just proper 
 head azimuths. M-400s  can be wonderful solo instruments when set up  
properly. I play my Black (now sold) M-400 all the time just by itself and can  
get lost in the sound. This also applies to the M4000.
 
Frank
 
 
In a message dated 4/10/2010 3:20:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
markpringnz@yahoo.com writes:

Martin  has sorted the headblock so it isn't an azimuth issue, and  
listening to  tron solos they are often either a single melodic line  eg. Seven 
Stones,  Golf Girl, Exiles or a series of chord progressions eg Mocking bird, 
She  said.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Recording and playing the M400

2010-04-10 by Mark Pring

Admittedly I don't know very much about trons, but I don't think there is anything fundamentally wrong with #1565.
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--- On Sun, 4/11/10, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:

From: lsf5275@aol.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Recording and playing the M400
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 7:27 AM

There is far more to getting proper sound from a Mellotron than just proper head azimuths. M-400s can be wonderful solo instruments when set up properly. I play my Black (now sold) M-400 all the time just by itself and can get lost in the sound. This also applies to the M4000.
Frank
In a message dated 4/10/2010 3:20:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, markpringnz@ yahoo.com writes:
Martin has sorted the headblock so it isn't an azimuth issue, and listening to tron solos they are often either a single melodic line eg. Seven Stones, Golf Girl, Exiles or a series of chord progressions eg Mocking bird, She said.

Re: Recording and playing the M400

2010-04-10 by ClayE

See the A - MIX - B knob on the right side and the A and B selectors above.  Two independent voices at once?  YES. 
http://www.mellotron.com/audities/images/DigitalMellotronDisplay2010-650.jpg



> I assume  that the new digital mellotron isn't going to allow you to play two independent voices at once , which is a shame as even a 25 note keyboard as on the Korg Micro X can be split to good effect.

Re: Recording and playing the M400

2010-04-10 by ClayE

Ohhhh...You mean a split keyboard?  I think you will have to manage without that.  Hey Martin!  Have you ever made tapes with split sounds left and right?  Probably not a common request.



--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "ClayE" <ecclesreinson@...> wrote:
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> See the A - MIX - B knob on the right side and the A and B selectors above.  Two independent voices at once?  YES. 
> http://www.mellotron.com/audities/images/DigitalMellotronDisplay2010-650.jpg
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> 
> > I assume  that the new digital mellotron isn't going to allow you to play two independent voices at once , which is a shame as even a 25 note keyboard as on the Korg Micro X can be split to good effect.
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Recording and playing the M400

2010-04-10 by Mark Pring

But not mapped to different parts of the keyboard, so that you can play one voice with the right hand and accompany with a different voice in the left?
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--- On Sun, 4/11/10, ClayE <;ecclesreinson@rogers.com> wrote:

From: ClayE
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Recording and playing the M400
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 9:34 AM

See the A - MIX - B knob on the right side and the A and B selectors above. Two independent voices at once? YES.
http://www.mellotro n.com/audities/ images/DigitalMe llotronDisplay20 10-650.jpg

> I assume that the new digital mellotron isn't going to allow you to play two independent voices at once , which is a shame as even a 25 note keyboard as on the Korg Micro X can be split to good effect.


Re: [newmellotrongroup] Recording and playing the M400

2010-04-10 by Mark Pring

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re1ZVfFY8Uc&feature=related


Well this guy seems to agree with me to some extent.



--- On Sun, 4/11/10, Mark Pring wrote:
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From: Mark Pring
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Recording and playing the M400
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 11, 2010, 7:19 AM

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=jBnWypnFiQc



Last night I decided to give the synths a rest and record a simple piece on solo mellotron. You can hear it by clicking on the link above. I have a few observations. They are not meant as criticisms of the mellotron, I love mine and I am happy with how it plays and sounds.


1) The M400 was obviously designed for rock groups rather than home use and to be a backing rather than solo instrument. The Mark II and to a lesser extent the M300 are really home and solo machines. The raw sound output of an M400 seems to my ears to need an awful lot of processing, is this as much of an issue on a Mark II? Thinking back to the MarkII demo video it doesn't seem to be.


2) Playing my M400 as a solo keyboard it is really difficult to balance the right and left hands, the bass notes easily overwhelming the treble especially on the M300a strings and split choir a little less on the 3 violins and Mark II flute. It can be partially offset by equalisation and by not playing triads, I don't think it is a problem unique to #1565, Martin has sorted the headblock so it isn't an azimuth issue, and listening to tron solos they are often either a single melodic line eg. Seven Stones, Golf Girl, Exiles or a series of chord progressions eg Mocking bird, She said.


So to me the best use of M400's are either as a musical "filler" using chords or as single line solos they are not really full keyboard instruments like a piano or organ. I suspect that this is not true of Mark II's M300's and M5000's.


I assume that the new digital mellotron isn't going to allow you to play two independent voices at once , which is a shame as even a 25 note keyboard as on the Korg Micro X can be split to good effect.


Mark


PS I don't think I have ever managed to quite get rid of the smell of mouseshit from #1565, when it warms up I always have to play with a cat wrapped around my legs.


PPS I am thinking of eventually buying some good powered speakers and recording them with a microphone.


Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Recording and playing the M400

2010-04-10 by lsf5275@aol.com

One of the great things about the 4-track...panning voices.
 
 
In a message dated 4/10/2010 5:54:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
markpringnz@yahoo.com writes:

But not mapped to different parts of the keyboard, so  that you can play 
one voice with the right hand and accompany with a  different voice in the  
left?

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Recording and playing the M400

2010-04-11 by Bruce Daily

Hey!-
   Of course Streetly makes split tape sets!  The split male/female choir voice is listed in the Streetly library, among others.
   Further, the old MK2-FX was set up with a mechanical split on each keyboard side (same station).  That's right- each head channel was split in half, and moved independently via solenoids.  But, the FX didn't allow for blending (who wanted to blend sound effects?).
 
   Get one now!!!  
 
   -Bruce D.
 

--- On Sat, 4/10/10, ClayE <ecclesreinson@rogers.com> wrote:


From: ClayE <ecclesreinson@rogers.com>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Recording and playing the M400
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 3:51 PM


  



Ohhhh...You mean a split keyboard? I think you will have to manage without that. Hey Martin! Have you ever made tapes with split sounds left and right? Probably not a common request.

--- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, "ClayE" <ecclesreinson@ ...> wrote:
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> See the A - MIX - B knob on the right side and the A and B selectors above. Two independent voices at once? YES. 
> http://www.mellotro n.com/audities/ images/DigitalMe llotronDisplay20 10-650.jpg
> 
> 
> 
> > I assume  that the new digital mellotron isn't going to allow you to play two independent voices at once , which is a shame as even a 25 note keyboard as on the Korg Micro X can be split to good effect.
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Recording and playing the M400

2010-04-12 by fdoddy@aol.com

I've got bass accordion/cello split.  The low notes of the cello suck and the high notes of the accordion swallow.


fd
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From: ClayE <ecclesreinson@rogers.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 5:51 pm
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Recording and playing the M400


  
    
                  
Ohhhh...You mean a split keyboard?  I think you will have to manage without that.  Hey Martin!  Have you ever made tapes with split sounds left and right?  Probably not a common request.

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "ClayE" <ecclesreinson@...> wrote:
>
> See the A - MIX - B knob on the right side and the A and B selectors above.  Two independent voices at once?  YES. 
> http://www.mellotron.com/audities/images/DigitalMellotronDisplay2010-650.jpg
> 
> 
> 
> > I assume  that the new digital mellotron isn't going to allow you to play two independent voices at once , which is a shame as even a 25 note keyboard as on the Korg Micro X can be split to good effect.
>


    
             

  
 
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Recording and playing the M400

2010-04-12 by john barrick

Sounds like you've got a pretty special tape frame there, Fritz.  If 
only my ex had been enthusiastic about either (with me, anyway)...


fdoddy@aol.com wrote:
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> I've got bass accordion/cello split.  The low notes of the cello suck 
> and the high notes of the accordion swallow.
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> fd
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Recording and playing the M400

2010-04-12 by lsf5275@aol.com

There you go moping again. 
 
 
In a message dated 4/11/2010 8:16:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
astroboy@cinci.rr.com writes:

 
 
 
Sounds like you've got a pretty special tape frame there, Fritz. If  
only my ex had been enthusiastic about either (with me,  anyway)...

_fdoddy@aol.com_ (mailto:fdoddy@aol.com)  wrote:
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> I've got bass accordion/cello split. The low notes of the  cello suck 
> and the high notes of the accordion  swallow.
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> fd
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Recording and playing the M400

2010-04-12 by fdoddy@aol.com

yep, that's what I'm talkin' bout....yessiree bob!

 


 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: john barrick <astroboy@cinci.rr.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Apr 11, 2010 8:15 pm
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Recording and playing the M400


  
    
                  
Sounds like you've got a pretty special tape frame there, Fritz.  If 
only my ex had been enthusiastic about either (with me, anyway)...

fdoddy@aol.com wrote:
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>  
>
> I've got bass accordion/cello split.  The low notes of the cello suck 
> and the high notes of the accordion swallow.
>
>
> fd
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