volume pedal?
2010-03-29 by john barrick
So, as I get closer to getting my volume jack back into the circuit on 1407, I find myself wanting to ask for recommendations on volume pedals. Oooh - I think I just asked.
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volume pedal?
Re: [newmellotrongroup] volume pedal?
2010-03-29 by tony1
Yamaha makes a perfectly usable unit, FY7 and I have no
problem with on my M400.
Plugs right in, simple, works for me!
Tony1
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----- Original Message -----From: john barrickSent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 9:35 PMSubject: [newmellotrongroup] volume pedal?So, as I get closer to getting my volume jack back into the circuit on
1407, I find myself wanting to ask for recommendations on volume pedals.
Oooh - I think I just asked.
Re: volume pedal?
2010-03-29 by ClayE
Ernie Ball volume pedals are well made. WW-BJH uses one with his M400. http://www.ernieball.com/products/category-534-Volume-Pedals --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, john barrick <astroboy@...> wrote:
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> > So, as I get closer to getting my volume jack back into the circuit on > 1407, I find myself wanting to ask for recommendations on volume pedals. > Oooh - I think I just asked. >
Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: volume pedal?
2010-03-29 by gino wong
EB pedals are the top of the class. EB, DeArmond, and Visual Sound (needs power) are the only serious volume pedals I have ever really seen.since the 70's. There are other OK ones but they are all have real issues: injection molded, too light, wide tolerances, pivot on the floor, need batteries, ac. Even the great reverse engineers at Behringer hosed this up. I believe that you need to be able to change, clean or service the pot and nominally adjust the throw (gearing) .
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On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 11:50 PM, ClayE <ecclesreinson@rogers.com> wrote:
Ernie Ball volume pedals are well made. WW-BJH uses one with his M400.
http://www.ernieball.com/products/category-534-Volume-Pedals
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> So, as I get closer to getting my volume jack back into the circuit on
>; 1407, I find myself wanting to ask for recommendations on volume pedals.
> Oooh - I think I just asked.
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] volume pedal?
2010-03-29 by Daniel Swanson
Just about any expression pedal will work and plugs right into the jack on the lower right front. I use one of those cheapie plastic Moogerfooger jobbies.
On Mar 28, 2010, at 8:35 PM, john barrick wrote:
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So, as I get closer to getting my volume jack back into the circuit on
1407, I find myself wanting to ask for recommendations on volume pedals.
Oooh - I think I just asked.
Re: [newmellotrongroup] volume pedal?
2010-03-29 by Bruce Daily
Hey John- I also have the Yamaha FY-7. Very reasonable in price. 2 yrs ago it was in stock at Guitar Center. Passive design, ok by me. It has a nice spring-loaded expression feature, which is adjustable. Feels rugged. Any excess cord can be coiled up and stored inside the housing. The potentiometer got scratchy within a few months, so I cleaned it, and it has worked fine ever since. -Bruce D. #1221 --- On Sun, 3/28/10, tony1 <atm655@verizon.net> wrote:
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From: tony1 <atm655@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] volume pedal? To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 28, 2010, 8:59 PM Yamaha makes a perfectly usable unit, FY7 and I have no problem with on my M400. Plugs right in, simple, works for me! Tony1 #510 ----- Original Message ----- From: john barrick To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 9:35 PM Subject: [newmellotrongroup] volume pedal? So, as I get closer to getting my volume jack back into the circuit on 1407, I find myself wanting to ask for recommendations on volume pedals. Oooh - I think I just asked.
Re: [newmellotrongroup] volume pedal?
2010-03-29 by lsf5275@aol.com
Yamaha FC 7.... A very good pedal, and can be found cheap on eBay. In a message dated 3/28/2010 11:01:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, atm655@verizon.net writes: Yamaha makes a perfectly usable unit, FY7 and I have no problem with on my M400. Plugs right in, simple, works for me!
Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: volume pedal?
2010-03-29 by lsf5275@aol.com
The Yamaha pedal has given me years of reliable service. In a message dated 3/29/2010 12:17:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wonggster@gmail.com writes: EB pedals are the top of the class. EB, DeArmond, and Visual Sound (needs power) are the only serious volume pedals I have ever really seen.since the 70's. There are other OK ones but they are all have real issues: injection molded, too light, wide tolerances, pivot on the floor, need batteries, ac. Even the great reverse engineers at Behringer hosed this up. I believe that you need to be able to change, clean or service the pot and nominally adjust the throw (gearing) . On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 11:50 PM, ClayE <_ecclesreinson@ecclesrein_ (mailto:ecclesreinson@rogers.com) > wrote: Ernie Ball volume pedals are well made. WW-BJH uses one with his M400. _http://www.erniebalhttp://www.ernihttp://wwhttp://www.http:/_ (http://www.ernieball.com/products/category-534-Volume-Pedals) --- In _newmellotrongroup@newmellotronnew_ (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) , john barrick <astroboy@...> wrote:
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Re: volume pedal?
2010-03-29 by Tron400
Is there any rewiring needed to use the Ernie Ball pedal in the volume pedal jack? I have one that I use with my guitars, but I'm using an FC7 with #500. I like the feel of the Ernie Ball better, but I thought it could only be used with the output jack. Bernie --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "ClayE" <ecclesreinson@...> wrote:
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> > Ernie Ball volume pedals are well made. WW-BJH uses one with his M400. > http://www.ernieball.com/products/category-534-Volume-Pedals > > > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, john barrick <astroboy@> wrote: > > > > So, as I get closer to getting my volume jack back into the circuit on > > 1407, I find myself wanting to ask for recommendations on volume pedals. > > Oooh - I think I just asked. > > >
RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: volume pedal?
2010-03-29 by John Wright
I agree with Clay. I think Ball pedals are very good. I use for both guitar and Tron. Replacing the cable when it break is a little bit of a pain, but an excellent You tube video is available when the time comes. John #911 ________________________________
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From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ClayE Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 11:50 PM To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: volume pedal? Ernie Ball volume pedals are well made. WW-BJH uses one with his M400. http://www.ernieball.com/products/category-534-Volume-Pedals <http://www.ernieball.com/products/category-534-Volume-Pedals> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com> , john barrick <astroboy@...> wrote: > > So, as I get closer to getting my volume jack back into the circuit on > 1407, I find myself wanting to ask for recommendations on volume pedals. > Oooh - I think I just asked. >
Re: volume pedal?
2010-03-29 by ClayE
I use the Ernie Ball 25K ohm pedal with the MK-VI output jack. I just tested it with the volume pedal jack. It worked well with a 1/4" TRS plug (stereo) cable connected to the pedal output. It DID NOT work with a TS plug (mono) cable. I would guess that the M400 volume pedal jack needs a tip / ring / sleeve plug too. The Yamaha FC7 has a TRS plug doesn't it? I don't notice any difference in the sound quality whether the pedal is used on the output or with the pedal jack. Clay --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "Tron400" <kornowicz@...> wrote:
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> > > > Is there any rewiring needed to use the Ernie Ball pedal in the volume pedal jack? I have one that I use with my guitars, but I'm using an FC7 with #500. I like the feel of the Ernie Ball better, but I thought it could only be used with the output jack. > > Bernie > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "ClayE" <ecclesreinson@> wrote: > > > > Ernie Ball volume pedals are well made. WW-BJH uses one with his M400. > > http://www.ernieball.com/products/category-534-Volume-Pedals > > > > > > > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, john barrick <astroboy@> wrote: > > > > > > So, as I get closer to getting my volume jack back into the circuit on > > > 1407, I find myself wanting to ask for recommendations on volume pedals. > > > Oooh - I think I just asked. > > > > > >
Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: volume pedal?
2010-03-29 by tony1
Yes the Yamaha has a RTS plug slightly larger in
diameter than the one sold to me by DMI ages ago.
It's been trouble free from day one.
Tony1
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----- Original Message -----From: ClayESent: Monday, March 29, 2010 8:59 AMSubject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: volume pedal?I use the Ernie Ball 25K ohm pedal with the MK-VI output jack. I just tested it with the volume pedal jack. It worked well with a 1/4" TRS plug (stereo) cable connected to the pedal output. It DID NOT work with a TS plug (mono) cable.
I would guess that the M400 volume pedal jack needs a tip / ring / sleeve plug too. The Yamaha FC7 has a TRS plug doesn't it?
I don't notice any difference in the sound quality whether the pedal is used on the output or with the pedal jack.
Clay
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: volume pedal?
2010-03-29 by MAinPsych@aol.com
In a message dated 3/29/2010 4:50:47 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, kornowicz@cox.net writes: Is there any rewiring needed to use the Ernie Ball pedal in the volume pedal jack? I have one that I use with my guitars, but I'm using an FC7 with #500. I like the feel of the Ernie Ball better, but I thought it could only be used with the output jack. Bernie I experienced a loss of signal when using the pedal jack, much the same as when I had an ARP String Ensemble. Has anyone else experienced this? Since having the ARP, I always use the output jack with my trusty Ernie Ball 6166 -- nice long throw for swells. Frank 1
Re: volume pedal?
2010-03-29 by ClayE
Check your impotence if your swells are weak. Usually measured in ohms. :-) --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, MAinPsych@... wrote:
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> > > In a message dated 3/29/2010 4:50:47 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > kornowicz@... writes: > > Is there any rewiring needed to use the Ernie Ball pedal in the volume > pedal jack? I have one that I use with my guitars, but I'm using an FC7 with > #500. I like the feel of the Ernie Ball better, but I thought it could only > be used with the output jack. > > Bernie > > > I experienced a loss of signal when using the pedal jack, much the same as > when I had an ARP String Ensemble. Has anyone else experienced this? > Since having the ARP, I always use the output jack with my trusty Ernie Ball > 6166 -- nice long throw for swells. > > Frank 1 >
RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: volume pedal?
2010-03-29 by John Wright
I=V/R, Where I = Impotence, V=Viagra, and R=Rest Ohm's law? ________________________________ From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ClayE Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:29 PM To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: volume pedal? Check your impotence if your swells are weak. Usually measured in ohms. :-) --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com> , MAinPsych@... wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/29/2010 4:50:47 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > kornowicz@... writes: > > Is there any rewiring needed to use the Ernie Ball pedal in the volume > pedal jack? I have one that I use with my guitars, but I'm using an FC7 with > #500. I like the feel of the Ernie Ball better, but I thought it could only > be used with the output jack. > > Bernie > > > I experienced a loss of signal when using the pedal jack, much the same as > when I had an ARP String Ensemble. Has anyone else experienced this? > Since having the ARP, I always use the output jack with my trusty Ernie Ball
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RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: volume pedal?
2010-03-29 by Bruce Daily
R could be for Relief or 'Rection... --- On Mon, 3/29/10, John Wright <john.wright@consona.com> wrote: From: John Wright <john.wright@consona.com> Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: volume pedal? To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 11:13 AM I=V/R, Where I = Impotence, V=Viagra, and R=Rest Ohm's law? From: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:newmellotro ngroup@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of ClayE Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:29 PM To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: volume pedal? Check your impotence if your swells are weak. Usually measured in ohms. :-) --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, MAinPsych@.. . wrote:
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> > > In a message dated 3/29/2010 4:50:47 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > kornowicz@.. . writes: > > Is there any rewiring needed to use the Ernie Ball pedal in the volume > pedal jack? I have one that I use with my guitars, but I'm using an FC7 with > #500. I like the feel of the Ernie Ball better, but I thought it could only > be used with the output jack. > > Bernie > > > I experienced a loss of signal when using the pedal jack, much the same as > when I had an ARP String Ensemble. Has anyone else experienced this? > Since having the ARP, I always use the output jack with my trusty Ernie Ball > 6166 -- nice long throw for swells. > > Frank 1 >
Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: volume pedal?
2010-03-29 by john barrick
Resistance would still work in the equation... Bruce Daily wrote:
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> > > R could be for Relief or 'Rection... > > > > --- On *Mon, 3/29/10, John Wright /<john.wright@consona.com>/* wrote: > > > From: John Wright <john.wright@consona.com> > Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: volume pedal? > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com > Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 11:13 AM > > > I=V/R, Where I = Impotence, V=Viagra, and R=Rest > > Ohm's law? > > _._,___
Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: volume pedal?
2010-03-29 by Bruce Daily
Hey Frank- I thought at first that my Yamaha pedal caused a little loss too. In my case it was due to the spring-positioned "swell" feature, which positions the upper end of the control to be a little less than full when normally depressed (the spring position is adjustable). If you mash it to the "full swell" you get full volume output. I tested this last night, and found no difference between the "full swell" output and the "pedal unplugged" output. Passive pedals could have some attenuation, though. If the pedal's control potentiometer is 25K ohms or more, it probably shoudn't have an effect on the 'Tron's volume. Any less, and some reduction in volume may result. I guess you could consider it a built-in "Mellotron Attenuator" (remember that dandy little accessory?). -Bruce D. --- On Mon, 3/29/10, MAinPsych@aol.com <MAinPsych@aol.com> wrote:
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From: MAinPsych@aol.com <MAinPsych@aol.com> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: volume pedal? To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 9:26 AM In a message dated 3/29/2010 4:50:47 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, kornowicz@cox. net writes: Is there any rewiring needed to use the Ernie Ball pedal in the volume pedal jack? I have one that I use with my guitars, but I'm using an FC7 with #500. I like the feel of the Ernie Ball better, but I thought it could only be used with the output jack. Bernie I experienced a loss of signal when using the pedal jack, much the same as when I had an ARP String Ensemble. Has anyone else experienced this? Since having the ARP, I always use the output jack with my trusty Ernie Ball 6166 -- nice long throw for swells. Frank 1
Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: volume pedal?
2010-03-30 by lsf5275@aol.com
Yes In a message dated 3/29/2010 9:00:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ecclesreinson@rogers.com writes: I would guess that the M400 volume pedal jack needs a tip / ring / sleeve plug too. The Yamaha FC7 has a TRS plug doesn't it?
Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: volume pedal?
2010-03-30 by lsf5275@aol.com
Since the line out runs through the swell socket to the line out socket, you must have had a contact issue. in the swell pedal socket. Any loss in volume with a swell pedal plugged in would be a function of a faulty potentiometer in the pedal itself. In a message dated 3/29/2010 11:27:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, MAinPsych@aol.com writes: In a message dated 3/29/2010 4:50:47 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, kornowicz@cox.In a messag Is there any rewiring needed to use the Ernie Ball pedal in the volume pedal jack? I have one that I use with my guitars, but I'm using an FC7 with #500. I like the feel of the Ernie Ball better, but I thought it could only be used with the output jack. Bernie I experienced a loss of signal when using the pedal jack, much the same as when I had an ARP String Ensemble. Has anyone else experienced this? Since having the ARP, I always use the output jack with my trusty Ernie Ball 6166 -- nice long throw for swells. Frank 1
Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: volume pedal?
2010-03-30 by Bruce Daily
Hi all- To clarify- The pedal I have is the Yamaha FC7 (not FY7). Sorry for any confusion. -Bruce D. --- On Mon, 3/29/10, lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:
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From: lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: volume pedal? To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 6:12 PM Since the line out runs through the swell socket to the line out socket, you must have had a contact issue. in the swell pedal socket. Any loss in volume with a swell pedal plugged in would be a function of a faulty potentiometer in the pedal itself. In a message dated 3/29/2010 11:27:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, MAinPsych@aol. com writes: In a message dated 3/29/2010 4:50:47 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, kornowicz@cox. net writes: Is there any rewiring needed to use the Ernie Ball pedal in the volume pedal jack? I have one that I use with my guitars, but I'm using an FC7 with #500. I like the feel of the Ernie Ball better, but I thought it could only be used with the output jack. Bernie I experienced a loss of signal when using the pedal jack, much the same as when I had an ARP String Ensemble. Has anyone else experienced this? Since having the ARP, I always use the output jack with my trusty Ernie Ball 6166 -- nice long throw for swells. Frank 1