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Tronspotting Camel again

Tronspotting Camel again

2010-01-14 by markpringnz

My memory is going off a bit, probably the smell of roasted mouse shit coming out of the tron, so if I have asked this before forgive me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lST4QCeQsCc&feature=related

The kink should take you to Golf Girl by Camel. Until recently I would have sworn they were using Mark II 3 violins.

It isn't listed at Planet Mellotron, so is it tron an unusual use if so.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tronspotting Camel again

2010-01-14 by lsf5275@aol.com

Sorry Mark, that's Caravan. Camel did "Badminton Boy."
In a message dated 1/13/2010 7:30:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, markpringnz@yahoo.com writes:
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My memory is going off a bit, probably the smell of roasted mouse shit coming out of the tron, so if I have asked this before forgive me.

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=lST4QCeQsCc& feature=related

The kink should take you to Golf Girl by Camel. Until recently I would have sworn they were using Mark II 3 violins.

It isn't listed at Planet Mellotron, so is it tron an unusual use if so.

Re: Tronspotting Camel again

2010-01-14 by markpringnz

I think my brain needs restoration.

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
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> Sorry Mark, that's Caravan. Camel did "Badminton Boy."
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> In a message dated 1/13/2010 7:30:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> markpringnz@... writes:
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> My memory is going off a bit, probably the smell of roasted mouse shit
> coming out of the tron, so if I have asked this before forgive me.
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> _http://www.youtube.http://wwwhttp://www.yo&<WBR>feature=re_
> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lST4QCeQsCc&feature=related)
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> The kink should take you to Golf Girl by Camel. Until recently I would
> have sworn they were using Mark II 3 violins.
>
> It isn't listed at Planet Mellotron, so is it tron an unusual use if so.
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tronspotting Camel again

2010-01-14 by lsf5275@aol.com

That was funny!
In a message dated 1/13/2010 7:54:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rick@rickblechta.com writes:
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Sorry Mark, that's Caravan. Camel did "Badminton Boy."

Yes, and they all went to jail for it because he was underage!

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tronspotting Camel again

2010-01-14 by Andy Thompson

----- Original Message -----
From: "markpringnz" <markpringnz@yahoo.com>
To: <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:24 AM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Tronspotting Camel again


> My memory is going off a bit, probably the smell of roasted mouse shit
> coming out of the tron, so if I have asked this before forgive me.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lST4QCeQsCc&feature=related
>
> The kink should take you to Golf Girl by Camel. Until recently I would
> have sworn they were using Mark II 3 violins.
>
> It isn't listed at Planet Mellotron, so is it tron an unusual use if so.


It is if you look at Caravan :-)

Andy T.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tronspotting Camel again

2010-01-15 by lsf5275@aol.com

Mark turned his brain on and started typing without allowing for a sufficient time to warm up and get his mental flywheel up to speed. ;-)
In a message dated 1/14/2010 7:02:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, andy.thompson@virgin.net writes:


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From: "markpringnz" <markpringnz@ yahoo.com>
To: <newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:24 AM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Tronspotting Camel again

> My memory is going off a bit, probably the smell of roasted mouse shit
> coming out of the tron, so if I have asked this before forgive me.
>
> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=lST4QCeQsCc& feature=related
>
> The kink should take you to Golf Girl by Camel. Until recently I would
> have sworn they were using Mark II 3 violins.
>
> It isn't listed at Planet Mellotron, so is it tron an unusual use if so.

It is if you look at Caravan :-)

Andy T.

NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by David Jacques

Just returned from my first day at NAMM, Saw Markus with the new
digital Mellotron. It sounds and plays great. Although it is still in
prototype stage you can play two sounds on it (3 Violins and Flute).
Eventually he will have over 100 loaded (including the entire
mellotron, optigin, and chamberlin sounds). What is REALLY cool is
that he uses the original SM400 keyboard... Completely wood with the
same length all the way back into the keyboard cartridge. in fact it
looks and feels exactly like a Mellotron keyboard unit. Completely
built out of wood and metal like the original, Very nice.

It was sitting in top of his new Mellotron and it sounded identical.

He said that he is looking at production models in two or three months.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tronspotting Camel again

2010-01-15 by Mark Pring

I think my brain has a CM10.

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From: lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tronspotting Camel again
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 2:51 PM

Mark turned his brain on and started typing without allowing for a sufficient time to warm up and get his mental flywheel up to speed. ;-)
In a message dated 1/14/2010 7:02:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, andy.thompson@ virgin.net writes:


----- Original Message -----
From: "markpringnz" <markpringnz@ yahoo.com>
To: <newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 12:24 AM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Tronspotting Camel again

> My memory is going off a bit, probably the smell of roasted mouse shit
> coming out of the tron, so if I have asked this before forgive me.
>
> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=lST4QCeQsCc& feature=related
>
> The kink should take you to Golf Girl by Camel. Until recently I would
> have sworn they were using Mark II 3 violins.
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> It isn't listed at Planet Mellotron, so is it tron an unusual use if so.

It is if you look at Caravan :-)

Andy T.


Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by Fritz Doddy

Y'all can correct me if I'm wrong, but that entire library seems like it would be over 100 sounds.

Sorry for the brevity as I am replying from a remote region of iPhonekstan.

fritzdoddy

On Jan 14, 2010, at 9:36 PM, David Jacques <djacques@csulb.edu> wrote:

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Just returned from my first day at NAMM, Saw Markus with the new
digital Mellotron. It sounds and plays great. Although it is still in
prototype stage you can play two sounds on it (3 Violins and Flute).
Eventually he will have over 100 loaded (including the entire
mellotron, optigin, and chamberlin sounds). What is REALLY cool is
that he uses the original SM400 keyboard... Completely wood with the
same length all the way back into the keyboard cartridge. in fact it
looks and feels exactly like a Mellotron keyboard unit. Completely
built out of wood and metal like the original, Very nice.

It was sitting in top of his new Mellotron and it sounded identical.

He said that he is looking at production models in two or three months.

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Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by Mark Pring

Can't see the advantage of having a mellotron keyboard action, it's horrible! A nice weighted keyboard action would have been better. I suppose if you are used to tron action you might prefer it, but if you are used to tron action you probably won't be buying one of these.

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--- On Fri, 1/15/10, David Jacques <djacques@csulb.edu> wrote:

From: David Jacques <djacques@csulb.edu>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 3:36 PM


Just returned from my first day at NAMM, Saw Markus with the new
digital Mellotron. It sounds and plays great. Although it is still in
prototype stage you can play two sounds on it (3 Violins and Flute).
Eventually he will have over 100 loaded (including the entire
mellotron, optigin, and chamberlin sounds). What is REALLY cool is
that he uses the original SM400 keyboard... Completely wood with the
same length all the way back into the keyboard cartridge. in fact it
looks and feels exactly like a Mellotron keyboard unit. Completely
built out of wood and metal like the original, Very nice.

It was sitting in top of his new Mellotron and it sounded identical.

He said that he is looking at production models in two or three months.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by David Jacques

I was referring to the NEW mellotron keyboard that Markus designed for his Model 400. That has a pretty good feel to it. There is no way I would want to gig with my original SM400 keyboard!

On Jan 14, 2010, at 7:35 PM, Mark Pring wrote:

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Can't see the advantage of having a mellotron keyboard action, it's horrible! A nice weighted keyboard action would have been better. I suppose if you are used to tron action you might prefer it, but if you are used to tron action you probably won't be buying one of these.

--- On Fri, 1/15/10, David Jacques <djacques@csulb. edu> wrote:

From: David Jacques <djacques@csulb. edu>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 3:36 PM


Just returned from my first day at NAMM, Saw Markus with the new
digital Mellotron. It sounds and plays great. Although it is still in
prototype stage you can play two sounds on it (3 Violins and Flute).
Eventually he will have over 100 loaded (including the entire
mellotron, optigin, and chamberlin sounds). What is REALLY cool is
that he uses the original SM400 keyboard... Completely wood with the
same length all the way back into the keyboard cartridge. in fact it
looks and feels exactly like a Mellotron keyboard unit. Completely
built out of wood and metal like the original, Very nice.

It was sitting in top of his new Mellotron and it sounded identical.

He said that he is looking at production models in two or three months.



Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by Mark Pring

I haven't played one of those, how does it compare to an M4000?

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From: David Jacques <djacques@csulb.edu>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 4:42 PM

I was referring to the NEW mellotron keyboard that Markus designed for his Model 400. That has a pretty good feel to it. There is no way I would want to gig with my original SM400 keyboard!


On Jan 14, 2010, at 7:35 PM, Mark Pring wrote:


Can't see the advantage of having a mellotron keyboard action, it's horrible! A nice weighted keyboard action would have been better. I suppose if you are used to tron action you might prefer it, but if you are used to tron action you probably won't be buying one of these.

--- On Fri, 1/15/10, David Jacques <djacques@csulb. edu> wrote:

From: David Jacques <djacques@csulb. edu>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 3:36 PM


Just returned from my first day at NAMM, Saw Markus with the new
digital Mellotron. It sounds and plays great. Although it is still in
prototype stage you can play two sounds on it (3 Violins and Flute).
Eventually he will have over 100 loaded (including the entire
mellotron, optigin, and chamberlin sounds). What is REALLY cool is
that he uses the original SM400 keyboard... Completely wood with the
same length all the way back into the keyboard cartridge. in fact it
looks and feels exactly like a Mellotron keyboard unit. Completely
built out of wood and metal like the original, Very nice.

It was sitting in top of his new Mellotron and it sounded identical.

He said that he is looking at production models in two or three months.




Re: NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by ClayE

I think it's safe to say that all tape playing mellotrons will have an unusual feel. They all have a key tension spring, roller spring, pad spring. Some might feel a little different than others, but they are all bloody strange devices and they are all going to feel a bit weird.

Remember that "WTF!" moment when you first played one?



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--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Mark Pring <markpringnz@...> wrote:
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by Mark Pring

Yes, but the sound makes up for it, it's beyond me why anybody would want that kind of keyboard action playing samples.

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Remember that "WTF!" moment when you first played one?


--- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, Mark Pring <markpringnz@ ...> wrote:
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> Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 4:42 PM
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> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report
> To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 3:36 PM
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by lsf5275@aol.com

Maybe the action on yours is horrible. The actions on the ones I own and have worked on are very light and very fast.
In a message dated 1/14/2010 10:35:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, markpringnz@yahoo.com writes:
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Can't see the advantage of having a mellotron keyboard action, it's horrible!

Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by mattias

The action on a mellotron is awful...everyone knows that for a fact.

That is why when I record I only use samples and a nice midi keyboard and then at parties I pull out the Mellotron and play a bad version of Nights in white satin and Strawberry fields forever. It works great for me !

// Mattias


Den 2010-01-15 07.22, skrev "lsf5275@aol.com" <lsf5275@aol.com>:

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Maybe the action on yours is horrible. The actions on the ones I own and have worked on are very light and very fast.

In a message dated 1/14/2010 10:35:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, markpringnz@yahoo.com writes:
Can't see the advantage of having a mellotron keyboard action, it's horrible!




Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by tronbros@aol.com

In a message dated 15/01/2010 03:35:16 GMT Standard Time, markpringnz@yahoo.com writes:
Can't see the advantage of having a mellotron keyboard action, it's horrible!
Wrong! Yours might be but that doesn't have to be the case!
M
Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic
www.mellotronics.com UPDATED
M4000 tour de force - UK trailer http://thebox-movie.warnerbros.com/
US Sales East: Jimmy Moore JMoore6397@aol.com
US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink.net
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by tronbros@aol.com

In a message dated 15/01/2010 02:36:15 GMT Standard Time, djacques@csulb.edu writes:
Completely wood with the
same length all the way back into the keyboard cartridge. in fact it
looks and feels exactly like a Mellotron keyboard unit. Completely
built out of wood and metal like the original, Very nice.
I think Markus has been absolutely right to use a traditional keyboard with the gentle arc of travel. There is no reason on earth why any mellotron keyboard should feel alien, hardwork or just unpleasant. It indicates the state of most instruments out there.
M
Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic
www.mellotronics.com UPDATED
M4000 tour de force - UK trailer http://thebox-movie.warnerbros.com/
US Sales East: Jimmy Moore JMoore6397@aol.com
US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink.net
Chloe Smith: myspace.com/chloesmithmusic

Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by Mark Pring

Hi Frank,


My tron playing experience is limited to 2 machines. The first mellotron I played was the first production model of the M4000 shortly before it was shipped. I have always assumed that the keyboard action of that machine was correctly adjusted.


I have spent many happy hours working on the keyboard of #1565 which is the second mellotron I played, I have aimed to get a similar action to the M4000 and have largely succeeded. I don't think it is quite as light as the M4000 but certainly it's a lot different to what I started out with which was much worse, playing it then was quite a good upper body work out.


I would be interested to compare both machines to a Mark VI but the photos I have seen don't suggest that the feel would be much different.


I can't remember who said it but playing a mellotron and certainly the M4000 I played can only be described as playing a sponge.


Don't get me wrong, I love my mellotron but I am not blind to its limitations. Compared to playing a piano or a good weighted action keyboard it has the action from hell. Just my opinion.


Mark




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From: lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 7:22 PM

Maybe the action on yours is horrible. The actions on the ones I own and have worked on are very light and very fast.
In a message dated 1/14/2010 10:35:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, markpringnz@ yahoo.com writes:
Can't see the advantage of having a mellotron keyboard action, it's horrible!

Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by lsf5275@aol.com

Finally! The rumors are confirmed.
In a message dated 1/15/2010 2:52:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Mattias.olsson5@comhem.se writes:
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That is why when I record I only use samples and a nice midi keyboard and then at parties I pull out the Mellotron and play a bad version of Nights in white satin and Strawberry fields forever. It works great for me !

Re: NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by Tron400

I've had my M400S for over 30 years. Until I took it to Jerry Korb for a complete overhaul, I hadn't realized that the keyboard was never set up properly in the first place. Now it's light and fast, but still not the same as Jerry's MkI. His keyboards feel kind of like a Hammond organ to me, but a little lighter.

Bernie

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> markpringnz@... writes:
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by lsf5275@aol.com

There are many issues involved in getting the keyboard right. I can assure you that there is no "spongy" feel to my M4000 keyboard, nor could that term be used to describe the feel of the keyboards of the machines coming out of my shop.
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I can't remember who said it but playing a mellotron and certainly the M4000 I played can only be described as playing a sponge.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by Tom Doncourt

I have no complaints with my mellotron action, it’s distinct to itself and makes me feel very aware of the tapes underneath it. I hate playing mellotron samples on a cheap plastic remote keyboard.It seems considerate to me to use a similar action to the original on a dedicated digital mellotron, I would want this thing to be as close to the original instrument as possible in every way (except the weight and bulk).
The Nord wave also promised the entire Mellotron and Chamberlin library but has never actually come through on this to my knowledge.




There are many issues involved in getting the keyboard right. I can assure you that there is no "spongy" feel to my M4000 keyboard, nor could that term be used to describe the feel of the keyboards of the machines coming out of my shop.

In a message dated 1/15/2010 3:46:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, markpringnz@yahoo.com writes:


I can't remember who said it but playing a mellotron and certainly the M4000 I played can only be described as playing a sponge.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by Tom Doncourt

Just remembered- I‘m wrong about Nord-Wave and the Chamberlin sounds, Clavia never got those.




I have no complaints with my mellotron action, it’s distinct to itself and makes me feel very aware of the tapes underneath it. I hate playing mellotron samples on a cheap plastic remote keyboard.It seems considerate to me to use a similar action to the original on a dedicated digital mellotron, I would want this thing to be as close to the original instrument as possible in every way (except the weight and bulk).
The Nord wave also promised the entire Mellotron and Chamberlin library but has never actually come through on this to my knowledge.




There are many issues involved in getting the keyboard right. I can assure you that there is no "spongy" feel to my M4000 keyboard, nor could that term be used to describe the feel of the keyboards of the machines coming out of my shop.

In a message dated 1/15/2010 3:46:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, markpringnz@yahoo.com writes:


I can't remember who said it but playing a mellotron and certainly the M4000 I played can only be described as playing a sponge.

RE: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by John Wright

Same for me, no complaints. I had that "WTF" feeling when I played a chord the first time, the attack and the feel of tape movement. I think the action influences the performance. A "lighting" fast M400 in the 70's probably would have changed how the instrument was used.

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Doncourt
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:10 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report

I have no complaints with my mellotron action, it’s distinct to itself and makes me feel very aware of the tapes underneath it. I hate playing mellotron samples on a cheap plastic remote keyboard.It seems considerate to me to use a similar action to the original on a dedicated digital mellotron, I would want this thing to be as close to the original instrument as possible in every way (except the weight and bulk).
The Nord wave also promised the entire Mellotron and Chamberlin library but has never actually come through on this to my knowledge.




There are many issues involved in getting the keyboard right. I can assure you that there is no "spongy" feel to my M4000 keyboard, nor could that term be used to describe the feel of the keyboards of the machines coming out of my shop.

In a message dated 1/15/2010 3:46:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, markpringnz@ yahoo.com writes:


I can't remember who said it but playing a mellotron and certainly the M4000 I played can only be described as playing a sponge.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by djacques@csulb.edu

The keyboard on Markus' digital mellotron feels as good as any weighted midi keyboard I have played. Its just the keyboard design that is the same as his real mellotron. As there are no tapes and pressure pads involved, you don't get that strange sensation when you play it.

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From: Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:58:38 -0800 (PST)
To: <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

Yes, but the sound makes up for it, it's beyond me why anybody would want that kind of keyboard action playing samples.

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Re: NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by ClayE

Nobody should expect a mellotron to feel like a Bösendorfer (or a Hammond or a Yamaha). The "feel" of a well adjusted mellotron is unique. Something I think most people would feel very comfortable with after playing for about 10 minutes.

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Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by djacques@csulb.edu

I believe that Markus has achieved what you may be looking for. The digital tron keeps the authentic feel of the original all the way down to the wood and paint of the cabinet.

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From: Tom Doncourt <tomdcour@amnh.org>
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:29:13 -0500
To: <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report

Just remembered- I‘m wrong about Nord-Wave and the Chamberlin sounds, Clavia never got those.




I have no complaints with my mellotron action, it’s distinct to itself and makes me feel very aware of the tapes underneath it. I hate playing mellotron samples on a cheap plastic remote keyboard.It seems considerate to me to use a similar action to the original on a dedicated digital mellotron, I would want this thing to be as close to the original instrument as possible in every way (except the weight and bulk).
The Nord wave also promised the entire Mellotron and Chamberlin library but has never actually come through on this to my knowledge.




There are many issues involved in getting the keyboard right. I can assure you that there is no "spongy" feel to my M4000 keyboard, nor could that term be used to describe the feel of the keyboards of the machines coming out of my shop.

In a message dated 1/15/2010 3:46:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, markpringnz@ yahoo.com writes:


I can't remember who said it but playing a mellotron and certainly the M4000 I played can only be described as playing a sponge.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by Tom Doncourt

Any guesses as to the price on this machine?- I could see having it for live and an m4000 for studio use but the price would be a definite factor.




I believe that Markus has achieved what you may be looking for. The digital tron keeps the authentic feel of the original all the way down to the wood and paint of the cabinet.

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

From: Tom Doncourt <tomdcour@amnh.org>
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:29:13 -0500
To: <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report




Just remembered- I‘m wrong about Nord-Wave and the Chamberlin sounds, Clavia never got those.




I have no complaints with my mellotron action, it’s distinct to itself and makes me feel very aware of the tapes underneath it. I hate playing mellotron samples on a cheap plastic remote keyboard.It seems considerate to me to use a similar action to the original on a dedicated digital mellotron, I would want this thing to be as close to the original instrument as possible in every way (except the weight and bulk).
The Nord wave also promised the entire Mellotron and Chamberlin library but has never actually come through on this to my knowledge.




There are many issues involved in getting the keyboard right. I can assure you that there is no "spongy" feel to my M4000 keyboard, nor could that term be used to describe the feel of the keyboards of the machines coming out of my shop.

In a message dated 1/15/2010 3:46:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, markpringnz@yahoo.com writes:


I can't remember who said it but playing a mellotron and certainly the M4000 I played can only be described as playing a sponge.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by lsf5275@aol.com

I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900.00
In a message dated 1/15/2010 11:18:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, tomdcour@amnh.org writes:
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by fdoddy@aol.com

My Streetly refurb still feels pretty good after, what is it now, 7 years?! I like the fight, the pushback of a tron. It's like playing a guitar through a "gasp" real amplifier. Ya gotta work it.... Samples and a MIDI keyboard are too forgiving. Like the old Italian grandmas say about making risotto, "The rice must feel the pain"



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In a message dated 15/01/2010 03:35:16 GMT Standard Time, markpringnz@ yahoo.com writes:
Can't see the advantage of having a mellotron keyboard action, it's horrible!
Wrong! Yours might be but that doesn't have to be the case!
M
Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic
www.mellotronics. com UPDATED
M4000 tour de force - UK trailer http://thebox- movie.warnerbros .com/
US Sales East: Jimmy Moore JMoore6397@aol. com
US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink. net
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by Tom Doncourt


Yes ,I agree- I feel a little guilt thinking about it.I love the process of the real thing



 My Streetly refurb still feels pretty good after, what is it now, 7 years?! I like the fight, the pushback of a tron. It's like playing a guitar through a "gasp" real amplifier. Ya gotta work it.... Samples and a MIDI keyboard are too forgiving. Like the old Italian grandmas say about making risotto, "The rice must feel the pain"



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In a message dated 15/01/2010 03:35:16 GMT Standard Time, markpringnz@yahoo.com writes:
Can't see the advantage of having a mellotron keyboard action, it's horrible!
Wrong! Yours might be but that doesn't have to be the case!

M

Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic
www.mellotronics.com <http://www.mellotronics.com/> UPDATED
M4000 tour de force - UK trailer http://thebox-movie.warnerbros.com/
US Sales East: Jimmy Moore JMoore6397@aol.com <http://JMoore6397@aol.com/>
US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink.net <http://pjc56@earthlink.net/>
Chloe Smith: myspace.com/chloesmithmusic <http://myspace.com/chloesmithmusic>









Re: NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by Tron400

I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.

Bernie

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Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by djacques@csulb.edu

Its a lot lower than that.

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From: "Tron400" <kornowicz@cox.net>
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000
To: <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report



I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.

Bernie

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> tomdcour@... writes:
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> live and an m4000 for studio use but the price would be a definite factor.
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RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by John Wright

If true, Memotron is done for. Markus will hit a home run if pricing is that low.

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of djacques@csulb.edu
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Its a lot lower than that.

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I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.

Bernie

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Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by Chris Dale

I think Markus has done the right thing with using a Mellotron keyboard. The feel of it is what influences you to play a certain way, and maybe the samples he's using are controlled or influenced by how it's played hence the necessity of that keyboard.
The only people who could design this right are Markus and Streetly.
I'm surprised at the inclusion of Optigan sounds though. I have all 40 discs and many lead sounds are duplicated, so there's really not as many as you think. What will be lost though is the ability to play them at different speeds.

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I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.



Bernie

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> live and an m4000 for studio use but the price would be a definite factor.
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by gino wong

It is nothing but a ROMpler, it should be cheap. Until there is a breakthrough it has the same limitations and annoyances and excellent capabilities of a wavetable instrument or a sampler

The Streets could have (did) done it a long time ago. If they wanted to but they obviously knew what they were doing and why.

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If true, Memotron is done for. Markus will hit a home run if pricing is that low.

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Its a lot lower than that.

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From: "Tron400" <kornowicz@cox.net>
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report



I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.

Bernie

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Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by Mattias Olsson

I think...if it sounds and feels like a Mellotron with 100 sounds and its portable...I think a lot of people would be interested.
It could actually not only affect the memotron but the whole used market as well.
Buying a Chamberlin M1 for 7000 dollars wont really make as much sense anymore...
But keep it a secret...
// Mattias
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If true, Memotron is done for. Markus will hit a home run if pricing is that low.

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Its a lot lower than that.

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From: "Tron400" <kornowicz@cox. net>
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000
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Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report



I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.

Bernie

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Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by Mattias Olsson


" The Streets could have (did) done it a long time ago. If they wanted to but they obviously knew what they were doing and why. "
Out of curiosity...Do they really feel the same way today seeing a similar product ?
// Mattias
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It is nothing but a ROMpler, it should be cheap. Until there is a breakthrough it has the same limitations and annoyances and excellent capabilities of a wavetable instrument or a sampler


The Streets could have (did) done it a long time ago. If they wanted to but they obviously knew what they were doing and why.

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:39 PM, John Wright <john.wright@ consona.com> wrote:

If true, Memotron is done for. Markus will hit a home run if pricing is that low.

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Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

Its a lot lower than that.

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From: "Tron400" <kornowicz@cox. net>
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report



I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.

Bernie

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Mellotron v. Chamberlin keyboard (was RE: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report)

2010-01-15 by Pomeroy RH Ranch

My last turn at a Mellotron was Dave Kean's MkII (I need to get out more often) - I liked the feel well enough. What would you say the comparison is with a Chamberlin M-series?? - I find my M2 not-particularly-light, and having a fairly long key travel -- even when I have it adjusted for attack high on the key stroke, I push pretty far down as a matter of course.
For a while now I've had the keyboard partly torn down because I want to replace the rubber key-bumpers (under the front of the key) -- anyone know where I can get these?? Without them, the keyboard looks dishevelled with keys at slightly different heights, some going down further than others, and the keys pushing down a bit crooked. I've attached a couple of small pic files to show what they are. Are there suitable substitutes that could help with the action??
Vance ---- my rice must be masochists - no crying, only moans
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My Streetly refurb still feels pretty good after, what is it now, 7 years?! I like the fight, the pushback of a tron. It's like playing a guitar through a "gasp" real amplifier. Ya gotta work it.... Samples and a MIDI keyboard are too forgiving. Like the old Italian grandmas say about making risotto, "The rice must feel the pain"

-----Original Message-----
From: tronbros@aol. com
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
In a message dated 15/01/2010 03:35:16 GMT Standard Time, markpringnz@ yahoo.com writes:
Can't see the advantage of having a mellotron keyboard action, it's horrible!
Wrong! Yours might be but that doesn't have to be the case!
M
Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic
www.mellotronics. com UPDATED
M4000 tour de force - UK trailer http://thebox- movie.warnerbros .com/
US Sales East: Jimmy Moore JMoore6397@aol. com
US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink. net
Chloe Smith: myspace.com/ chloesmithmusic

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by Hessel Herder

Not sure about interest in the vintage/ tape-based machines dropping because of Resch's product,I don't think one will exclude the other.Apples and oranges


Op 15 jan 2010 om 19:52 heeft "Mattias Olsson" <Mattias.olsson5@comhem.se> het volgende geschreven:\

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I think...if it sounds and feels like a Mellotron with 100 sounds and its portable...I think a lot of people would be interested.
It could actually not only affect the memotron but the whole used market as well.
Buying a Chamberlin M1 for 7000 dollars wont really make as much sense anymore...
But keep it a secret...
// Mattias
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Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:39 PM
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

If true, Memotron is done for. Markus will hit a home run if pricing is that low.

From: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:newmellotro ngroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of djacques@csulb. edu
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:32 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

Its a lot lower than that.

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From: "Tron400" <kornowicz@cox. net>
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000
To: <newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report



I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, lsf5275@... wrote:
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by Chris Dale

Nah, I doubt this will make a difference to the "Chamberlin" market. If you ever had one or ever played one you'd know.
Chamberlin sounds in a Mellotron do not sound the same as a real Chamberlin - just as the M400 violins do not sound identical to the MK II violins, nor do M300 sounds or MK II sounds sound like a real MK II or M300 if they're coming from an M400.
This is my experience playing multiple Chamberlins and Mellotrons over the last 20 years. They're all unique and different.
If you really spend time closely listening to all these instruments you can tell.
Most people can't because they only use 1 machine at best. No A and B comparison can be made.
This new digital version is for a different market anyway.
I imagine Markus will continue to build the MK 6 alongside this digital tron, just as Streetly will continue with the M4000.
And rightfully so.
Anyone wanting authenticity and a product of real quality will buy an original tape version.
Anyone wanting the sounds and feel with digital high quality will buy an authorized "tribute version"
There's room for both.
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Buying a Chamberlin M1 for 7000 dollars wont really make as much sense anymore...
But keep it a secret...
// Mattias
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If true, Memotron is done for. Markus will hit a home run if pricing is that low.

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Its a lot lower than that.

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From: "Tron400" <kornowicz@cox.net>
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report



I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900.00
>


Re: Mellotron v. Chamberlin keyboard (was RE: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report) [4 Attachments]

2010-01-15 by Chris Dale

Hi Vance:
Have you tried adjusting the back of the keys? Are the pins /springs okay?

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On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Pomeroy RH Ranch <punchbowl4@earthlink.net> wrote:
[Attachment(s) from Pomeroy RH Ranch included below]

My last turn at a Mellotron was Dave Kean's MkII (I need to get out more often) - I liked the feel well enough. What would you say the comparison is with a Chamberlin M-series?? - I find my M2 not-particularly-light, and having a fairly long key travel -- even when I have it adjusted for attack high on the key stroke, I push pretty far down as a matter of course.
For a while now I've had the keyboard partly torn down because I want to replace the rubber key-bumpers (under the front of the key) -- anyone know where I can get these?? Without them, the keyboard looks dishevelled with keys at slightly different heights, some going down further than others, and the keys pushing down a bit crooked. I've attached a couple of small pic files to show what they are. Are there suitable substitutes that could help with the action??
Vance ---- my rice must be masochists - no crying, only moans
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From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of fdoddy@aol.com

My Streetly refurb still feels pretty good after, what is it now, 7 years?! I like the fight, the pushback of a tron. It's like playing a guitar through a "gasp" real amplifier. Ya gotta work it.... Samples and a MIDI keyboard are too forgiving. Like the old Italian grandmas say about making risotto, "The rice must feel the pain"

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From: tronbros@aol.com
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
In a message dated 15/01/2010 03:35:16 GMT Standard Time, markpringnz@yahoo.com writes:
Can't see the advantage of having a mellotron keyboard action, it's horrible!
Wrong! Yours might be but that doesn't have to be the case!
M
Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic
www.mellotronics.com UPDATED
M4000 tour de force - UK trailer http://thebox-movie.warnerbros.com/
US Sales East: Jimmy Moore JMoore6397@aol.com
US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink.net
Chloe Smith: myspace.com/chloesmithmusic


Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by Rick Blechta


On Jan 15, 2010, at 2:53 PM, Chris Dale wrote:

M400 violins do not sound identical to the MK II violins

Uh, Chris, I hate to break this to you: they aren't identical. The M400 violins have a completely different EQ.

But you are correct in general. Would we expect a Strat to sound just like a Les Paul? Same thing with any instrument.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by tony1

Speaking for myself, I find something interesting in about every musical instrument around.
I need a larger mixer (40+ chan) and I would appreciate an honest reccomendation fellas!
Thanks in advance,
Tony
Neve is a bit out of my reach lol.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Dale
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

Nah, I doubt this will make a difference to the "Chamberlin" market. If you ever had one or ever played one you'd know.
Chamberlin sounds in a Mellotron do not sound the same as a real Chamberlin - just as the M400 violins do not sound identical to the MK II violins, nor do M300 sounds or MK II sounds sound like a real MK II or M300 if they're coming from an M400.
This is my experience playing multiple Chamberlins and Mellotrons over the last 20 years. They're all unique and different.
If you really spend time closely listening to all these instruments you can tell.
Most people can't because they only use 1 machine at best. No A and B comparison can be made.
This new digital version is for a different market anyway.
I imagine Markus will continue to build the MK 6 alongside this digital tron, just as Streetly will continue with the M4000.
And rightfully so.
Anyone wanting authenticity and a product of real quality will buy an original tape version.
Anyone wanting the sounds and feel with digital high quality will buy an authorized "tribute version"
There's room for both.
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mattias Olsson <Mattias.olsson5@ comhem.se> wrote:

Buying a Chamberlin M1 for 7000 dollars wont really make as much sense anymore...
But keep it a secret...
// Mattias
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Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:39 PM
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

If true, Memotron is done for. Markus will hit a home run if pricing is that low.

From: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of djacques@csulb. edu
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:32 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

Its a lot lower than that.

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From: "Tron400" <kornowicz@cox. net>
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report



I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900. 00
>


Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by mattias

I think it all depends on how it is done. If it is a note for note sample full length...

And if the price is 2700 well..

I use my Mellotrons and old machines in the studio everyday but There are very few of my clients who actually gives a shit if its a Mellotron flute, Flute 2 or a Chamberlin flute. Ill give them suggestions...but in the end they decide and they pay the invoices. The people on this list care but in the “real”world a high quality collection of note for note samples in a dedicated machine could go a very long way...

Computers and midi keyboards will never be sexy.

// Mattias



Den 2010-01-15 20.53, skrev "Chris Dale" <unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com>:







Nah, I doubt this will make a difference to the "Chamberlin" market. If you ever had one or ever played one you'd know.


Chamberlin sounds in a Mellotron do not sound the same as a real Chamberlin - just as the M400 violins do not sound identical to the MK II violins, nor do M300 sounds or MK II sounds sound like a real MK II or M300 if they're coming from an M400.

This is my experience playing multiple Chamberlins and Mellotrons over the last 20 years. They're all unique and different.

If you really spend time closely listening to all these instruments you can tell.

Most people can't because they only use 1 machine at best. No A and B comparison can be made.


This new digital version is for a different market anyway.

I imagine Markus will continue to build the MK 6 alongside this digital tron, just as Streetly will continue with the M4000.

And rightfully so.

Anyone wanting authenticity and a product of real quality will buy an original tape version.

Anyone wanting the sounds and feel with digital high quality will buy an authorized "tribute version"

There's room for both.








On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mattias Olsson <Mattias.olsson5@comhem.se> wrote:

Buying a Chamberlin M1 for 7000 dollars wont really make as much sense anymore...

But keep it a secret...

// Mattias





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Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report


If true, Memotron is done for. Markus will hit a home run if pricing is that low.

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of djacques@csulb.edu
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report


Its a lot lower than that.

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From: "Tron400" <kornowicz@cox.net>
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000
To: <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report




I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com> , lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900.00
>






Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by tronbros@aol.com

In a message dated 15/01/2010 18:57:31 GMT Standard Time, Mattias.olsson5@comhem.se writes:
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Out of curiosity... Do they really feel the same way today seeing a similar product ?
John and I are absolutely okay with anyone attempting a digital 'tron and there have been several versions since we did our work many years ago. I still have Norm's plan of attack on reams of paper and when the Memotron arrived it felt like there had been a spy in the cab throughout our meetings!
As previously said on many occasions, there are digital emulations of so many instruments including every model of grand piano going BUT people still buy grand pianos. It's the nuances that are missing from these boxes. What makes a Steinway can only be realised through a Steinway itself. Same goes for a 'tron. And what makes a mellotron sound the way it does is FAR MORE complex than replaying a sample every time you press a key. This is just the tip of the iceberg in making a digital 'tron mellotronic in nature. We have been building M4000s and restoring 'trons all the way through the rise of the Memotron, MTron and the rest. I doubt we have lost many orders from serious mellotron devotees to our digital rivals.
One day maybe we'll bring out the emulation we have modelled but for now we are happy to machine, drill, tap and bolt metal together. It's hard work and each one is sweat and tears but ultimately it's rewarding if not an easy road to great wealth!
Best,
Martin
Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic
www.mellotronics.com UPDATED
M4000 tour de force - UK trailer http://thebox-movie.warnerbros.com/
US Sales East: Jimmy Moore JMoore6397@aol.com
US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink.net
Chloe Smith: myspace.com/chloesmithmusic

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by djacques@csulb.edu

Just spoke to markus. Around 1800 dollars and production in three to four months.

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From: mattias <Mattias.olsson5@comhem.se>
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:09:51 +0100
To: <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

I think it all depends on how it is done. If it is a note for note sample full length...

And if the price is 2700 well..

I use my Mellotrons and old machines in the studio everyday but There are very few of my clients who actually gives a shit if its a Mellotron flute, Flute 2 or a Chamberlin flute. Ill give them suggestions. ..but in the end they decide and they pay the invoices. The people on this list care but in the “real”world a high quality collection of note for note samples in a dedicated machine could go a very long way...

Computers and midi keyboards will never be sexy.

// Mattias



Den 2010-01-15 20.53, skrev "Chris Dale" <unobtainiumkeys@ gmail.com>:







Nah, I doubt this will make a difference to the "Chamberlin" market. If you ever had one or ever played one you'd know.


Chamberlin sounds in a Mellotron do not sound the same as a real Chamberlin - just as the M400 violins do not sound identical to the MK II violins, nor do M300 sounds or MK II sounds sound like a real MK II or M300 if they're coming from an M400.

This is my experience playing multiple Chamberlins and Mellotrons over the last 20 years. They're all unique and different.

If you really spend time closely listening to all these instruments you can tell.

Most people can't because they only use 1 machine at best. No A and B comparison can be made.


This new digital version is for a different market anyway.

I imagine Markus will continue to build the MK 6 alongside this digital tron, just as Streetly will continue with the M4000.

And rightfully so.

Anyone wanting authenticity and a product of real quality will buy an original tape version.

Anyone wanting the sounds and feel with digital high quality will buy an authorized "tribute version"

There's room for both.








On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mattias Olsson <Mattias.olsson5@ comhem.se> wrote:

Buying a Chamberlin M1 for 7000 dollars wont really make as much sense anymore...

But keep it a secret...

// Mattias





----- Original Message -----
From: John Wright <mailto:john. wright@consona. com>
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:39 PM
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report


If true, Memotron is done for. Markus will hit a home run if pricing is that low.

From: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:newmellotron group@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of djacques@csulb. edu
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:32 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report


Its a lot lower than that.

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From: "Tron400" <kornowicz@cox. net>
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000
To: <newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report




I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:newmellotron group%40yahoogro ups.com> , lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900. 00
>






Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by lsf5275@aol.com

Don't all guitars sound the same?
In a message dated 1/15/2010 3:03:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rick@rickblechta.com writes:
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But you are correct in general. Would we expect a Strat to sound just like a Les Paul? Same thing with any instrument.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

2010-01-15 by Mattias Olsson

Crash and burn.
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Just spoke to markus. Around 1800 dollars and production in three to four months.

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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:09:51 +0100
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

I think it all depends on how it is done. If it is a note for note sample full length...

And if the price is 2700 well..

I use my Mellotrons and old machines in the studio everyday but There are very few of my clients who actually gives a shit if its a Mellotron flute, Flute 2 or a Chamberlin flute. Ill give them suggestions. ..but in the end they decide and they pay the invoices. The people on this list care but in the “real”world a high quality collection of note for note samples in a dedicated machine could go a very long way...

Computers and midi keyboards will never be sexy.

// Mattias



Den 2010-01-15 20.53, skrev "Chris Dale" <unobtainiumkeys@ gmail.com>:







Nah, I doubt this will make a difference to the "Chamberlin" market. If you ever had one or ever played one you'd know.


Chamberlin sounds in a Mellotron do not sound the same as a real Chamberlin - just as the M400 violins do not sound identical to the MK II violins, nor do M300 sounds or MK II sounds sound like a real MK II or M300 if they're coming from an M400.

This is my experience playing multiple Chamberlins and Mellotrons over the last 20 years. They're all unique and different.

If you really spend time closely listening to all these instruments you can tell.

Most people can't because they only use 1 machine at best. No A and B comparison can be made.


This new digital version is for a different market anyway.

I imagine Markus will continue to build the MK 6 alongside this digital tron, just as Streetly will continue with the M4000.

And rightfully so.

Anyone wanting authenticity and a product of real quality will buy an original tape version.

Anyone wanting the sounds and feel with digital high quality will buy an authorized "tribute version"

There's room for both.








On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mattias Olsson <Mattias.olsson5@ comhem.se> wrote:

Buying a Chamberlin M1 for 7000 dollars wont really make as much sense anymore...

But keep it a secret...

// Mattias
----- Original Message -----
From: John Wright <mailto:john. wright@consona. com>
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:39 PM
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report


If true, Memotron is done for. Markus will hit a home run if pricing is that low.

From: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:newmellotron group@yahoogroup s.com] On Behalf Of djacques@csulb. edu
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:32 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report


Its a lot lower than that.

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From: "Tron400" <kornowicz@cox. net>
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000
To: <newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report




I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:newmellotron group%40yahoogro ups.com> , lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900. 00
>






    RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-15 by John Wright

    Trouble maker!

    From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol.com
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 3:33 PM
    To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Don't all guitars sound the same?
    In a message dated 1/15/2010 3:03:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rick@rickblechta. com writes:
    But you are correct in general. Would we expect a Strat to sound just like a Les Paul? Same thing with any instrument.

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-15 by Chris Dale

    Yeah! That's what I meant.
    That's why they don't sound identical - because they aren't :)
    The 3 violins in the Chamberlin, Mark II and M400 is all the same sound but each has a different eq.

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    On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Rick Blechta <rick@rickblechta.com> wrote:


    On Jan 15, 2010, at 2:53 PM, Chris Dale wrote:

    M400 violins do not sound identical to the MK II violins

    Uh, Chris, I hate to break this to you: they aren't identical. The M400 violins have a completely different EQ.

    But you are correct in general. Would we expect a Strat to sound just like a Les Paul? Same thing with any instrument.


    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-15 by fdoddy@aol.com

    Be very wary of buying anything used unless you have a good tech and know what to look for. If you are looking for something used, see if you can get it in your set up for a while.

    Gonna be tough finding something that's over 32 channels that isn't geared more for live unless you've got some bucks to spend.

    Please stay away from digital mixers. Yes, they're convenient but sound like shit.

    Old Mackie 8-buss mixers still sound nice and you can probably find a side car for them. Mackie Digital 8-buss are absolute nightmares.

    New stuff? I'm liking the Chinese made Toft ATB series. They all have a monitor section so a 32 channel board can net you 64 discrete inputs. They sound very nice too for the money.

    SSL AWS 900 kicks sublime ass but it's pricey. It would be my desert island desk. We have one at work...maybe they won't miss it :>)

    fd



    -----Original Message-----
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    From: tony1 <atm655@verizon.net>
    To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:03 pm
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Speaking for myself, I find something interesting in about every musical instrument around.
    I need a larger mixer (40+ chan) and I would appreciate an honest reccomendation fellas!
    Thanks in advance,
    Tony
    Neve is a bit out of my reach lol.
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Chris Dale
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:53 PM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Nah, I doubt this will make a difference to the "Chamberlin" market. If you ever had one or ever played one you'd know.
    Chamberlin sounds in a Mellotron do not sound the same as a real Chamberlin - just as the M400 violins do not sound identical to the MK II violins, nor do M300 sounds or MK II sounds sound like a real MK II or M300 if they're coming from an M400.
    This is my experience playing multiple Chamberlins and Mellotrons over the last 20 years. They're all unique and different.
    If you really spend time closely listening to all these instruments you can tell.
    Most people can't because they only use 1 machine at best. No A and B comparison can be made.
    This new digital version is for a different market anyway.
    I imagine Markus will continue to build the MK 6 alongside this digital tron, just as Streetly will continue with the M4000.
    And rightfully so.
    Anyone wanting authenticity and a product of real quality will buy an original tape version.
    Anyone wanting the sounds and feel with digital high quality will buy an authorized "tribute version"
    There's room for both.
    On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mattias Olsson <Mattias.olsson5@ comhem.se> wrote:
    Buying a Chamberlin M1 for 7000 dollars wont really make as much sense anymore...
    But keep it a secret...
    // Mattias
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:39 PM
    Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    If true, Memotron is done for. Markus will hit a home run if pricing is that low.

    From: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of djacques@csulb. edu
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:32 PM
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Its a lot lower than that.
    Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
    From: "Tron400" <kornowicz@cox. net>
    Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000
    Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report



    I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.

    Bernie

    --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, lsf5275@... wrote:
    >
    > I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900. 00
    >

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-15 by tony1

    
    Hey Fritz,
    I don't buy used for a lot of reasons.
    Former AES member too, so no stranger to this stuff.
    Out of practice sure, but my ears still spot on tunings etc, as I was the synth tech for a major store here and drew clients from all over the Tampa/St. Pete/Clearwater area (over 3 million folks).
    I like the Mackie stuff and am 90% sure they make a 48 channel board, plus I still have my "ins" from those days locally.
    I remember the unvieling of the Solid State Logic board at the 1979 AES convention in Los Angeles. What a piece of gear as well as the Neve!
    Going to have a look at Toft stuff in a few.
    Thanks for your suggestions, I'll let you know what I end up with.
    Best,
    Tony
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    Be very wary of buying anything used unless you have a good tech and know what to look for. If you are looking for something used, see if you can get it in your set up for a while.

    Gonna be tough finding something that's over 32 channels that isn't geared more for live unless you've got some bucks to spend.

    Please stay away from digital mixers. Yes, they're convenient but sound like shit.

    Old Mackie 8-buss mixers still sound nice and you can probably find a side car for them. Mackie Digital 8-buss are absolute nightmares.

    New stuff? I'm liking the Chinese made Toft ATB series. They all have a monitor section so a 32 channel board can net you 64 discrete inputs. They sound very nice too for the money.

    SSL AWS 900 kicks sublime ass but it's pricey. It would be my desert island desk. We have one at work...maybe they won't miss it :>)

    fd



    -----Original Message-----
    From: tony1 <atm655@verizon. net>
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:03 pm
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Speaking for myself, I find something interesting in about every musical instrument around.
    I need a larger mixer (40+ chan) and I would appreciate an honest reccomendation fellas!
    Thanks in advance,
    Tony
    Neve is a bit out of my reach lol.
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Chris Dale
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:53 PM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Nah, I doubt this will make a difference to the "Chamberlin" market. If you ever had one or ever played one you'd know.
    Chamberlin sounds in a Mellotron do not sound the same as a real Chamberlin - just as the M400 violins do not sound identical to the MK II violins, nor do M300 sounds or MK II sounds sound like a real MK II or M300 if they're coming from an M400.
    This is my experience playing multiple Chamberlins and Mellotrons over the last 20 years. They're all unique and different.
    If you really spend time closely listening to all these instruments you can tell.
    Most people can't because they only use 1 machine at best. No A and B comparison can be made.
    This new digital version is for a different market anyway.
    I imagine Markus will continue to build the MK 6 alongside this digital tron, just as Streetly will continue with the M4000.
    And rightfully so.
    Anyone wanting authenticity and a product of real quality will buy an original tape version.
    Anyone wanting the sounds and feel with digital high quality will buy an authorized "tribute version"
    There's room for both.
    On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mattias Olsson <Mattias.olsson5@ comhem.se> wrote:
    Buying a Chamberlin M1 for 7000 dollars wont really make as much sense anymore...
    But keep it a secret...
    // Mattias
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:39 PM
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    If true, Memotron is done for. Markus will hit a home run if pricing is that low.

    From: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of djacques@csulb. edu
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:32 PM
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    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Its a lot lower than that.
    Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
    From: "Tron400" <kornowicz@cox. net>
    Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000
    Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report



    I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.

    Bernie

    --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, lsf5275@... wrote:
    >
    > I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900. 00
    >

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-15 by Tom Doncourt

    There is a “real world” for mellotrons? I was not aware




    I think it all depends on how it is done. If it is a note for note sample full length...

    And if the price is 2700 well..

    I use my Mellotrons and old machines in the studio everyday but There are very few of my clients who actually gives a shit if its a Mellotron flute, Flute 2 or a Chamberlin flute. Ill give them suggestions...but in the end they decide and they pay the invoices. The people on this list care but in the “real”world a high quality collection of note for note samples in a dedicated machine could go a very long way...

    Computers and midi keyboards will never be sexy.

    // Mattias



    Den 2010-01-15 20.53, skrev "Chris Dale" <unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com>:







    Nah, I doubt this will make a difference to the "Chamberlin" market. If you ever had one or ever played one you'd know.


    Chamberlin sounds in a Mellotron do not sound the same as a real Chamberlin - just as the M400 violins do not sound identical to the MK II violins, nor do M300 sounds or MK II sounds sound like a real MK II or M300 if they're coming from an M400.

    This is my experience playing multiple Chamberlins and Mellotrons over the last 20 years. They're all unique and different.

    If you really spend time closely listening to all these instruments you can tell.

    Most people can't because they only use 1 machine at best. No A and B comparison can be made.


    This new digital version is for a different market anyway.

    I imagine Markus will continue to build the MK 6 alongside this digital tron, just as Streetly will continue with the M4000.

    And rightfully so.

    Anyone wanting authenticity and a product of real quality will buy an original tape version.

    Anyone wanting the sounds and feel with digital high quality will buy an authorized "tribute version"

    There's room for both.








    On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mattias Olsson <Mattias.olsson5@comhem.se> wrote:

    Buying a Chamberlin M1 for 7000 dollars wont really make as much sense anymore...

    But keep it a secret...

    // Mattias





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    If true, Memotron is done for. Markus will hit a home run if pricing is that low.

    From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of djacques@csulb.edu
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:32 PM
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    Its a lot lower than that.

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    From: "Tron400" <kornowicz@cox.net>
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    Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report




    I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.

    Bernie

    --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com> , lsf5275@... wrote:
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    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-15 by fdoddy@aol.com

    Glad to help. We still have one of the first Mackie 8-buss mixers delivered to NY. It has the shit beat out of it and it still sounds fine. I have a first gen 1604 ganged to a 1604 VLZ. That's what I tracked and mixed my record on. Can't kill those Mackie boards. If there is a Hall of Fame for mixers, the first gen 1604 has got to get in :>) Not one problem in 18 years.

    fd



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    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    
    Hey Fritz,
    I don't buy used for a lot of reasons.
    Former AES member too, so no stranger to this stuff.
    Out of practice sure, but my ears still spot on tunings etc, as I was the synth tech for a major store here and drew clients from all over the Tampa/St. Pete/Clearwater area (over 3 million folks).
    I like the Mackie stuff and am 90% sure they make a 48 channel board, plus I still have my "ins" from those days locally.
    I remember the unvieling of the Solid State Logic board at the 1979 AES convention in Los Angeles. What a piece of gear as well as the Neve!
    Going to have a look at Toft stuff in a few.
    Thanks for your suggestions, I'll let you know what I end up with.
    Best,
    Tony
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    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 4:25 PM
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    Be very wary of buying anything used unless you have a good tech and know what to look for. If you are looking for something used, see if you can get it in your set up for a while.

    Gonna be tough finding something that's over 32 channels that isn't geared more for live unless you've got some bucks to spend.

    Please stay away from digital mixers. Yes, they're convenient but sound like shit.

    Old Mackie 8-buss mixers still sound nice and you can probably find a side car for them. Mackie Digital 8-buss are absolute nightmares.

    New stuff? I'm liking the Chinese made Toft ATB series. They all have a monitor section so a 32 channel board can net you 64 discrete inputs. They sound very nice too for the money.

    SSL AWS 900 kicks sublime ass but it's pricey. It would be my desert island desk. We have one at work...maybe they won't miss it :>)

    fd



    -----Original Message-----
    From: tony1 <atm655@verizon. net>
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:03 pm
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Speaking for myself, I find something interesting in about every musical instrument around.
    I need a larger mixer (40+ chan) and I would appreciate an honest reccomendation fellas!
    Thanks in advance,
    Tony
    Neve is a bit out of my reach lol.
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Chris Dale
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:53 PM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Nah, I doubt this will make a difference to the "Chamberlin" market. If you ever had one or ever played one you'd know.
    Chamberlin sounds in a Mellotron do not sound the same as a real Chamberlin - just as the M400 violins do not sound identical to the MK II violins, nor do M300 sounds or MK II sounds sound like a real MK II or M300 if they're coming from an M400.
    This is my experience playing multiple Chamberlins and Mellotrons over the last 20 years. They're all unique and different.
    If you really spend time closely listening to all these instruments you can tell.
    Most people can't because they only use 1 machine at best. No A and B comparison can be made.
    This new digital version is for a different market anyway.
    I imagine Markus will continue to build the MK 6 alongside this digital tron, just as Streetly will continue with the M4000.
    And rightfully so.
    Anyone wanting authenticity and a product of real quality will buy an original tape version.
    Anyone wanting the sounds and feel with digital high quality will buy an authorized "tribute version"
    There's room for both.
    On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mattias Olsson <Mattias.olsson5@ comhem.se> wrote:
    Buying a Chamberlin M1 for 7000 dollars wont really make as much sense anymore...
    But keep it a secret...
    // Mattias
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:39 PM
    Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    If true, Memotron is done for. Markus will hit a home run if pricing is that low.

    From: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of djacques@csulb. edu
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:32 PM
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Its a lot lower than that.
    Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
    From: "Tron400" <kornowicz@cox. net>
    Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000
    Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report



    I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.

    Bernie

    --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, lsf5275@... wrote:
    >
    > I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900. 00
    >

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report

    2010-01-15 by mattias

    Rumours...?

    Didnt you get the T-shirt and bumper sticker ?


    Den 2010-01-15 14.34, skrev "lsf5275@aol.com" <lsf5275@aol.com>:

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    Finally! The rumors are confirmed.

    In a message dated 1/15/2010 2:52:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Mattias.olsson5@comhem.se writes:
    That is why when I record I only use samples and a nice midi keyboard and then at parties I pull out the Mellotron and play a bad version of Nights in white satin and Strawberry fields forever. It works great for me !




    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-15 by tony1

    
    Agreed I have a small Mackie for my practice room and I like the little sucker.
    Their Oynx 80 looks good to me.
    That ought to piss the neighbors off.
    Have a great weekend and thanks for your valued input (no pun).
    Best,
    Tony
    PS what do you think of this digital Mellotron?
    I'm wating for M5000 #2.
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    Glad to help. We still have one of the first Mackie 8-buss mixers delivered to NY. It has the shit beat out of it and it still sounds fine. I have a first gen 1604 ganged to a 1604 VLZ. That's what I tracked and mixed my record on. Can't kill those Mackie boards. If there is a Hall of Fame for mixers, the first gen 1604 has got to get in :>) Not one problem in 18 years.

    fd



    -----Original Message-----
    From: tony1 <atm655@verizon. net>
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:49 pm
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    
    Hey Fritz,
    I don't buy used for a lot of reasons.
    Former AES member too, so no stranger to this stuff.
    Out of practice sure, but my ears still spot on tunings etc, as I was the synth tech for a major store here and drew clients from all over the Tampa/St. Pete/Clearwater area (over 3 million folks).
    I like the Mackie stuff and am 90% sure they make a 48 channel board, plus I still have my "ins" from those days locally.
    I remember the unvieling of the Solid State Logic board at the 1979 AES convention in Los Angeles. What a piece of gear as well as the Neve!
    Going to have a look at Toft stuff in a few.
    Thanks for your suggestions, I'll let you know what I end up with.
    Best,
    Tony
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 4:25 PM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Be very wary of buying anything used unless you have a good tech and know what to look for. If you are looking for something used, see if you can get it in your set up for a while.

    Gonna be tough finding something that's over 32 channels that isn't geared more for live unless you've got some bucks to spend.

    Please stay away from digital mixers. Yes, they're convenient but sound like shit.

    Old Mackie 8-buss mixers still sound nice and you can probably find a side car for them. Mackie Digital 8-buss are absolute nightmares.

    New stuff? I'm liking the Chinese made Toft ATB series. They all have a monitor section so a 32 channel board can net you 64 discrete inputs. They sound very nice too for the money.

    SSL AWS 900 kicks sublime ass but it's pricey. It would be my desert island desk. We have one at work...maybe they won't miss it :>)

    fd



    -----Original Message-----
    From: tony1 <atm655@verizon. net>
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:03 pm
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Speaking for myself, I find something interesting in about every musical instrument around.
    I need a larger mixer (40+ chan) and I would appreciate an honest reccomendation fellas!
    Thanks in advance,
    Tony
    Neve is a bit out of my reach lol.
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Chris Dale
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:53 PM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Nah, I doubt this will make a difference to the "Chamberlin" market. If you ever had one or ever played one you'd know.
    Chamberlin sounds in a Mellotron do not sound the same as a real Chamberlin - just as the M400 violins do not sound identical to the MK II violins, nor do M300 sounds or MK II sounds sound like a real MK II or M300 if they're coming from an M400.
    This is my experience playing multiple Chamberlins and Mellotrons over the last 20 years. They're all unique and different.
    If you really spend time closely listening to all these instruments you can tell.
    Most people can't because they only use 1 machine at best. No A and B comparison can be made.
    This new digital version is for a different market anyway.
    I imagine Markus will continue to build the MK 6 alongside this digital tron, just as Streetly will continue with the M4000.
    And rightfully so.
    Anyone wanting authenticity and a product of real quality will buy an original tape version.
    Anyone wanting the sounds and feel with digital high quality will buy an authorized "tribute version"
    There's room for both.
    On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mattias Olsson <Mattias.olsson5@ comhem.se> wrote:
    Buying a Chamberlin M1 for 7000 dollars wont really make as much sense anymore...
    But keep it a secret...
    // Mattias
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:39 PM
    Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    If true, Memotron is done for. Markus will hit a home run if pricing is that low.

    From: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of djacques@csulb. edu
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:32 PM
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Its a lot lower than that.
    Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
    From: "Tron400" <kornowicz@cox. net>
    Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000
    Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report



    I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.

    Bernie

    --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, lsf5275@... wrote:
    >
    > I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900. 00
    >

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-15 by lsf5275@aol.com

    In a message dated 1/15/2010 3:44:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, john.wright@consona.com writes:
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    Trouble maker!

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    2010-01-15 by lsf5275@aol.com

    Crap! They must have sold out before I was released.
    In a message dated 1/15/2010 6:03:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Mattias.olsson5@comhem.se writes:
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    Didnt you get the T-shirt and bumper sticker ?

    RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-16 by Gary Brumm

    Are you ~seriously~ comparing replicating a Steinway Grand Piano with sampling to doing the same to a Mellotron?

    There is no comparison between the two. Come on Martin…only on this list could you get away with such a statement.

    Grand pianos will be around long after the last “tape based” Mellotron has rolled off the assembly line.

    From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tronbros@aol.com
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:26 PM
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    In a message dated 15/01/2010 18:57:31 GMT Standard Time, Mattias.olsson5@comhem.se writes:

    Out of curiosity...Do they really feel the same way today seeing a similar product ?

    John and I are absolutely okay with anyone attempting a digital 'tron and there have been several versions since we did our work many years ago. I still have Norm's plan of attack on reams of paper and when the Memotron arrived it felt like there had been a spy in the cab throughout our meetings!

    As previously said on many occasions, there are digital emulations of so many instruments including every model of grand piano going BUT people still buy grand pianos. It's the nuances that are missing from these boxes. What makes a Steinway can only be realised through a Steinway itself. Same goes for a 'tron. And what makes a mellotron sound the way it does is FAR MORE complex than replaying a sample every time you press a key. This is just the tip of the iceberg in making a digital 'tron mellotronic in nature. We have been building M4000s and restoring 'trons all the way through the rise of the Memotron, MTron and the rest. I doubt we have lost many orders from serious mellotron devotees to our digital rivals.

    One day maybe we'll bring out the emulation we have modelled but for now we are happy to machine, drill, tap and bolt metal together. It's hard work and each one is sweat and tears but ultimately it's rewarding if not an easy road to great wealth!

    Best,

    Martin

    Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic
    www.mellotronics.com UPDATED
    M4000 tour de force - UK trailer     http://thebox-movie.warnerbros.com/
    US Sales East: Jimmy Moore JMoore6397@aol.com
    US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink.net
    Chloe Smith: myspace.com/chloesmithmusic

    RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-16 by Pomeroy RH Ranch

    I think the idea is that the physical dynamics of >any< instrument are lost in the “canned” world of the digital reproducer. At least an Ampico or Duo-Art reproducer does it on the instrument itself. It is likely that after a few hundred years there will be piano-forte instruments and a way out thing like a Mellotron will only be seen in quirky museums, but the sound doesn’t just come from the base source (like three ladies in Harry Chamberlin’s bedroom), but from >all< the inputs from the reproducing dynamics of the machine that makes the sound that comes out the soundboard or, in our case, the speakers

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    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-16 by tronbros@aol.com

    In a message dated 16/01/2010 06:10:57 GMT Standard Time, gabru@comsec.net writes:

    There is no comparison between the two. Come on Martin…only on this list could you get away with such a statement.

    Oh yes there is! vance got my point so check out his response as I really can't be bothered to elaborate. It'll be a back and forth session with no resolve so I beg to differ.
    Best,
    M
    Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic
    www.mellotronics.com UPDATED
    M4000 tour de force - UK trailer http://thebox-movie.warnerbros.com/
    US Sales East: Jimmy Moore JMoore6397@aol.com
    US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink.net
    Chloe Smith: myspace.com/chloesmithmusic

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report

    2010-01-16 by Mike Dickson

    My keyboard action still feels okay too despite having been given a complete battering over the last two years. I know it needs a service, but the action feels okay to me. As for 'sponginess', I've played a MemoryMoog and found that had the weirdest action I've ever felt in a keyboard. There is the contact...and there is a bit more afterwards that doesn't do anything. It's just a matter of getting used to what you're dealing with. Mellotron keyboards run on wood, rubber and sprung metal. It's never going to rock-solid on that basis, but by no means is it as heavy as (say) a Birotron (which has keys that feel like they were weighted on leaf springs) or some of the more revolting plasticky things that troubled us in the 1980s.

    What I positively like about the touch on a Hammond or a Mellotron or (direct action) pipe organ is the feeling that you are part of the machine. You can either feel the mechanics of the system under your fingertips. There is a bit of work involved there perhaps, but I don't mind it as much as I mind the feeling that I'm simply playing a series of rather dead digital switches.

    As for samples and MIDI, they have their place. They make a lot of things a lot easier and have obviously opened doors to many many things that were previously impossible to encompass, but to me they just play back with monotonous regularity. I've been messing about a little with that RedTron plugin and frankly the Mk-V version (for some reason) sounds better, for some reason. The problem is that the samples are lousy and there is really no way round that. Okay, so Mellotrons have their off days too (as we all know) but they get better. With this, you're stuck with a picture of what someone else thought sounded great. It's like the difference between making an Airfix kit aeroplane model and a balsa model. With one you are tied to other people's ideas and that (to me) is limiting.

    Having said all that, I'll qualify it by saying that I've sampled 3-violins myself and I'd defy anyone to A/B a scale of it and the M400 whence it came and tell the difference. I just didn't treat the samples at all. Someone might learn this trick one day. We'll see.

    Mike


    fdoddy@aol.com wrote:
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    My Streetly refurb still feels pretty good after, what is it now, 7 years?! I like the fight, the pushback of a tron. It's like playing a guitar through a "gasp" real amplifier. Ya gotta work it.... Samples and a MIDI keyboard are too forgiving. Like the old Italian grandmas say about making risotto, "The rice must feel the pain"





    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-16 by Mike Dickson

    Gary Brumm wrote:

    Are you ~seriously~ comparing replicating a Steinway Grand Piano with sampling to doing the same to a Mellotron?


    I wouldn't.

    Sampling a Steinway (or at least 'getting an accurate digital picture of one') is probably much easier as Steinways are way more consistent in their sound than a Mellotron. You can play the same note ten times on a Mellotron and they won't sound the same every time, in the same way my upright piano doesn't play the same way two days in a row. Steinways on the other hand have centuries of engineering refinement in them that gives you a very consistent sound.

    I am also assured that how good a grand piano sounds is about 50% down to the piano and 50% down to the room.

    Grand pianos will be around long after the last “tape based” Mellotron has rolled off the assembly line.


    I don't think he has said otherwise. The longevity of the instrument isn't an issue anyone was discussing.


    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-16 by Mike Dickson

    Mattias Olsson wrote:

    I think...if it sounds and feels like a Mellotron with 100 sounds and its portable...I think a lot of people would be interested.
    It could actually not only affect the memotron but the whole used market as well.

    This re-states an interesting question. What state is the 'used' market in? As far as I can tell, everyone who wanted a real Mellotron has one until the last one sold out. The market is probably nowhere near as fluid as it was before, where they were changing hands a lot more. People advertising them on e-Bay usually give the reasons 'need more room' or 'need the money' rather than 'the thing is fucked and I hate the sound'.

    Buying a Chamberlin M1 for 7000 dollars wont really make as much sense anymore...

    Did it ever? :-)



    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-16 by Mike Dickson

    Chris Dale wrote:

    Chamberlin sounds in a Mellotron do not sound the same as a real Chamberlin - just as the M400 violins do not sound identical to the MK II violins

    M400 violins are EQed off at the top end to remove some of the 'shriek'. That's primarily why they sound different.




    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-16 by Mike Dickson

    mattias wrote:

    The people on this list care but in the “real”world a high quality collection of note for note samples in a dedicated machine could go a very long way...


    I totally agree. The thing that has (to my ears) torpedoed samples is the fact that they are always being meddled with.

    EQ. Tuning. Interpolation. Noise reduction. Normalisation.

    They all wreck what would otherwise be a piss easy job to do. You're right. People just want the sound. So why meddle with the sound if that is what people want?


    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-16 by fdoddy@aol.com

    Nice sounding mic pre's on the onyx series.

    Digital tron? I dunno...It's pretty. Somedays my tron just doesn't want to sound good or in tune on a track, so I just do something else because it wasn't meant to be. The days it wants to play nicely, it's magic. I imagine the digital tron will sound just fine everyday but I anticipate there won't be any magic for me.

    fd



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    Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:04 pm
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    
    Agreed I have a small Mackie for my practice room and I like the little sucker.
    Their Oynx 80 looks good to me.
    That ought to piss the neighbors off.
    Have a great weekend and thanks for your valued input (no pun).
    Best,
    Tony
    PS what do you think of this digital Mellotron?
    I'm wating for M5000 #2.
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:36 PM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Glad to help. We still have one of the first Mackie 8-buss mixers delivered to NY. It has the shit beat out of it and it still sounds fine. I have a first gen 1604 ganged to a 1604 VLZ. That's what I tracked and mixed my record on. Can't kill those Mackie boards. If there is a Hall of Fame for mixers, the first gen 1604 has got to get in :>) Not one problem in 18 years.

    fd



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    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:49 pm
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    
    Hey Fritz,
    I don't buy used for a lot of reasons.
    Former AES member too, so no stranger to this stuff.
    Out of practice sure, but my ears still spot on tunings etc, as I was the synth tech for a major store here and drew clients from all over the Tampa/St. Pete/Clearwater area (over 3 million folks).
    I like the Mackie stuff and am 90% sure they make a 48 channel board, plus I still have my "ins" from those days locally.
    I remember the unvieling of the Solid State Logic board at the 1979 AES convention in Los Angeles. What a piece of gear as well as the Neve!
    Going to have a look at Toft stuff in a few.
    Thanks for your suggestions, I'll let you know what I end up with.
    Best,
    Tony
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 4:25 PM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Be very wary of buying anything used unless you have a good tech and know what to look for. If you are looking for something used, see if you can get it in your set up for a while.

    Gonna be tough finding something that's over 32 channels that isn't geared more for live unless you've got some bucks to spend.

    Please stay away from digital mixers. Yes, they're convenient but sound like shit.

    Old Mackie 8-buss mixers still sound nice and you can probably find a side car for them. Mackie Digital 8-buss are absolute nightmares.

    New stuff? I'm liking the Chinese made Toft ATB series. They all have a monitor section so a 32 channel board can net you 64 discrete inputs. They sound very nice too for the money.

    SSL AWS 900 kicks sublime ass but it's pricey. It would be my desert island desk. We have one at work...maybe they won't miss it :>)

    fd



    -----Original Message-----
    From: tony1 <atm655@verizon. net>
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:03 pm
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Speaking for myself, I find something interesting in about every musical instrument around.
    I need a larger mixer (40+ chan) and I would appreciate an honest reccomendation fellas!
    Thanks in advance,
    Tony
    Neve is a bit out of my reach lol.
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Chris Dale
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:53 PM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Nah, I doubt this will make a difference to the "Chamberlin" market. If you ever had one or ever played one you'd know.
    Chamberlin sounds in a Mellotron do not sound the same as a real Chamberlin - just as the M400 violins do not sound identical to the MK II violins, nor do M300 sounds or MK II sounds sound like a real MK II or M300 if they're coming from an M400.
    This is my experience playing multiple Chamberlins and Mellotrons over the last 20 years. They're all unique and different.
    If you really spend time closely listening to all these instruments you can tell.
    Most people can't because they only use 1 machine at best. No A and B comparison can be made.
    This new digital version is for a different market anyway.
    I imagine Markus will continue to build the MK 6 alongside this digital tron, just as Streetly will continue with the M4000.
    And rightfully so.
    Anyone wanting authenticity and a product of real quality will buy an original tape version.
    Anyone wanting the sounds and feel with digital high quality will buy an authorized "tribute version"
    There's room for both.
    On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mattias Olsson <Mattias.olsson5@ comhem.se> wrote:
    Buying a Chamberlin M1 for 7000 dollars wont really make as much sense anymore...
    But keep it a secret...
    // Mattias
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:39 PM
    Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    If true, Memotron is done for. Markus will hit a home run if pricing is that low.

    From: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of djacques@csulb. edu
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:32 PM
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Its a lot lower than that.
    Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
    From: "Tron400" <kornowicz@cox. net>
    Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000
    Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report



    I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.

    Bernie

    --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, lsf5275@... wrote:
    >
    > I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900. 00
    >

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report

    2010-01-16 by fdoddy@aol.com

    I've done the same with my tron Mike. I sampled it all and didn't process the samples. It's only one articulation, but it still sounds better than an M-tron or whatever.

    fd



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    From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
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    Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 4:43 am
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report

    My keyboard action still feels okay too despite having been given a complete battering over the last two years. I know it needs a service, but the action feels okay to me. As for 'sponginess' , I've played a MemoryMoog and found that had the weirdest action I've ever felt in a keyboard. There is the contact...and there is a bit more afterwards that doesn't do anything. It's just a matter of getting used to what you're dealing with. Mellotron keyboards run on wood, rubber and sprung metal. It's never going to rock-solid on that basis, but by no means is it as heavy as (say) a Birotron (which has keys that feel like they were weighted on leaf springs) or some of the more revolting plasticky things that troubled us in the 1980s.

    What I positively like about the touch on a Hammond or a Mellotron or (direct action) pipe organ is the feeling that you are part of the machine. You can either feel the mechanics of the system under your fingertips. There is a bit of work involved there perhaps, but I don't mind it as much as I mind the feeling that I'm simply playing a series of rather dead digital switches.

    As for samples and MIDI, they have their place. They make a lot of things a lot easier and have obviously opened doors to many many things that were previously impossible to encompass, but to me they just play back with monotonous regularity. I've been messing about a little with that RedTron plugin and frankly the Mk-V version (for some reason) sounds better, for some reason. The problem is that the samples are lousy and there is really no way round that. Okay, so Mellotrons have their off days too (as we all know) but they get better. With this, you're stuck with a picture of what someone else thought sounded great. It's like the difference between making an Airfix kit aeroplane model and a balsa model. With one you are tied to other people's ideas and that (to me) is limiting.

    Having said all that, I'll qualify it by saying that I've sampled 3-violins myself and I'd defy anyone to A/B a scale of it and the M400 whence it came and tell the difference. I just didn't treat the samples at all. Someone might learn this trick one day. We'll see.

    Mike


    fdoddy@aol.com wrote:
    My Streetly refurb still feels pretty good after, what is it now, 7 years?! I like the fight, the pushback of a tron. It's like playing a guitar through a "gasp" real amplifier. Ya gotta work it.... Samples and a MIDI keyboard are too forgiving. Like the old Italian grandmas say about making risotto, "The rice must feel the pain"




    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-16 by fdoddy@aol.com

    Unless it's a student model, I think most Steinways suck. You have to be a really really good player to get rock and roll out of them. Give me an old Acrosonic or a Mason and Hamlin....

    fd



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    Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 7:53 am
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Gary Brumm wrote:
    Are you ~seriously~ comparing replicating a Steinway Grand Piano with sampling to doing the same to a Mellotron?

    I wouldn't.

    Sampling a Steinway (or at least 'getting an accurate digital picture of one') is probably much easier as Steinways are way more consistent in their sound than a Mellotron. You can play the same note ten times on a Mellotron and they won't sound the same every time, in the same way my upright piano doesn't play the same way two days in a row. Steinways on the other hand have centuries of engineering refinement in them that gives you a very consistent sound.

    I am also assured that how good a grand piano sounds is about 50% down to the piano and 50% down to the room.

    Grand pianos will be around long after the last “tape based” Mellotron has rolled off the assembly line.

    I don't think he has said otherwise. The longevity of the instrument isn't an issue anyone was discussing.


    Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-16 by ClayE

    Can a mellotron do more than one articulation?

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    > I've done the same with my tron Mike. I sampled it all and didn't process the samples. It's only one articulation, but it still sounds better than an M-tron or whatever.
    >
    > fd
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    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...>
    > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    > Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 4:43 am
    > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report
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    >
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    > My keyboard action still feels okay too despite having been given acomplete battering over the last two years. I know it needs aservice, but the action feels okay to me. As for 'sponginess', I'veplayed a MemoryMoog and found that had the weirdest action I've everfelt in a keyboard. There is the contact...and there is a bitmore afterwards that doesn't do anything. It's just a matter of gettingused to what you're dealing with. Mellotron keyboards run on wood,rubber and sprung metal. It's never going to rock-solid on that basis,but by no means is it as heavy as (say) a Birotron (which has keys thatfeel like they were weighted on leaf springs) or some of the morerevolting plasticky things that troubled us in the 1980s.
    >
    > What I positively like about the touch on a Hammond or aMellotron or (direct action) pipe organ is the feeling that you are partof the machine. You can either feel the mechanics of the systemunder your fingertips. There is a bit of work involved there perhaps,but I don't mind it as much as I mind the feeling that I'm simplyplaying a series of rather dead digital switches.
    >
    > As for samples and MIDI, they have their place. They make a lot ofthings a lot easier and have obviously opened doors to many many thingsthat were previously impossible to encompass, but to me they just playback with monotonous regularity. I've been messing about a little withthat RedTron plugin and frankly the Mk-V version (for some reason)sounds better, for some reason. The problem is that the samples arelousy and there is really no way round that. Okay, so Mellotrons havetheir off days too (as we all know) but they get better. With this,you're stuck with a picture of what someone else thoughtsounded great. It's like the difference between making an Airfix kitaeroplane model and a balsa model. With one you are tied to otherpeople's ideas and that (to me) is limiting.
    >
    > Having said all that, I'll qualify it by saying that I've sampled3-violins myself and I'd defy anyone to A/B a scale of it and the M400whence it came and tell the difference. I just didn't treat the samplesat all. Someone might learn this trick one day. We'll see.
    >
    > Mike
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    > fdoddy@... wrote:
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    > MyStreetly refurb still feels pretty good after, what is it now, 7years?! I like the fight, the pushback of a tron. It's like playing aguitar through a "gasp" real amplifier. Ya gotta work it.... Samplesand a MIDI keyboard are too forgiving. Like the old Italian grandmassay about making risotto, "The rice must feel the pain"
    >

    RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-16 by Gary Brumm

    Absolutely Mike, I agree as well. The samples I have used that sound the best have been right off the Mellotron. If I feel the need to

    add reverb, EQ, or whatever I will add it myself. The point I was trying to make between the Grand Piano and Mellotron samples was that

    the frequency response and the velovity at which the string is struck is what makes the piano more difficult to sample than the playback of a

    string instrument (for example) that is played back through a very limited response system such as the Mellotron. However it is the lack

    of response that gives it it’s unique character and made the Mellotron the fascinating instrument it is. Even the limited duration of the notes

    small number of keys, wow and flutter, which could all be considered limitations, add to the overall sound we have come to know and love.

    All of these characteristics can be sampled and if done well and played properly when sitting in a mix are virtually indistinguishable from the

    original IMHO. I have always loved the Mellotron and think it brought a new and wonderful sound that was made even better by the limited

    technology who’s “limitations” created it’s character and most likely by accident more than by design made it famous (some might say infamous J).

    From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Dickson
    Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 5:01 AM
    To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    mattias wrote:

    The people on this list care but in the “real”world a high quality collection of note for note samples in a dedicated machine could go a very long way...


    I totally agree. The thing that has (to my ears) torpedoed samples is the fact that they are always being meddled with.

    EQ. Tuning. Interpolation. Noise reduction. Normalisation.

    They all wreck what would otherwise be a piss easy job to do. You're right. People just want the sound. So why meddle with the sound if that is what people want?

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-16 by djacques@csulb.edu

    Or disappointment. Like that new sex robot that is now available for 7000 dollars.

    Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

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    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Nice sounding mic pre's on the onyx series.

    Digital tron? I dunno...It's pretty. Somedays my tron just doesn't want to sound good or in tune on a track, so I just do something else because it wasn't meant to be. The days it wants to play nicely, it's magic. I imagine the digital tron will sound just fine everyday but I anticipate there won't be any magic for me.

    fd



    -----Original Message-----
    From: tony1 <atm655@verizon. net>
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:04 pm
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    
    Agreed I have a small Mackie for my practice room and I like the little sucker.
    Their Oynx 80 looks good to me.
    That ought to piss the neighbors off.
    Have a great weekend and thanks for your valued input (no pun).
    Best,
    Tony
    PS what do you think of this digital Mellotron?
    I'm wating for M5000 #2.
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:36 PM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Glad to help. We still have one of the first Mackie 8-buss mixers delivered to NY. It has the shit beat out of it and it still sounds fine. I have a first gen 1604 ganged to a 1604 VLZ. That's what I tracked and mixed my record on. Can't kill those Mackie boards. If there is a Hall of Fame for mixers, the first gen 1604 has got to get in :>) Not one problem in 18 years.

    fd



    -----Original Message-----
    From: tony1 <atm655@verizon. net>
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:49 pm
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    
    Hey Fritz,
    I don't buy used for a lot of reasons.
    Former AES member too, so no stranger to this stuff.
    Out of practice sure, but my ears still spot on tunings etc, as I was the synth tech for a major store here and drew clients from all over the Tampa/St. Pete/Clearwater area (over 3 million folks).
    I like the Mackie stuff and am 90% sure they make a 48 channel board, plus I still have my "ins" from those days locally.
    I remember the unvieling of the Solid State Logic board at the 1979 AES convention in Los Angeles. What a piece of gear as well as the Neve!
    Going to have a look at Toft stuff in a few.
    Thanks for your suggestions, I'll let you know what I end up with.
    Best,
    Tony
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 4:25 PM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Be very wary of buying anything used unless you have a good tech and know what to look for. If you are looking for something used, see if you can get it in your set up for a while.

    Gonna be tough finding something that's over 32 channels that isn't geared more for live unless you've got some bucks to spend.

    Please stay away from digital mixers. Yes, they're convenient but sound like shit.

    Old Mackie 8-buss mixers still sound nice and you can probably find a side car for them. Mackie Digital 8-buss are absolute nightmares.

    New stuff? I'm liking the Chinese made Toft ATB series. They all have a monitor section so a 32 channel board can net you 64 discrete inputs. They sound very nice too for the money.

    SSL AWS 900 kicks sublime ass but it's pricey. It would be my desert island desk. We have one at work...maybe they won't miss it :>)

    fd



    -----Original Message-----
    From: tony1 <atm655@verizon. net>
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:03 pm
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Speaking for myself, I find something interesting in about every musical instrument around.
    I need a larger mixer (40+ chan) and I would appreciate an honest reccomendation fellas!
    Thanks in advance,
    Tony
    Neve is a bit out of my reach lol.
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Chris Dale
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:53 PM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Nah, I doubt this will make a difference to the "Chamberlin" market. If you ever had one or ever played one you'd know.
    Chamberlin sounds in a Mellotron do not sound the same as a real Chamberlin - just as the M400 violins do not sound identical to the MK II violins, nor do M300 sounds or MK II sounds sound like a real MK II or M300 if they're coming from an M400.
    This is my experience playing multiple Chamberlins and Mellotrons over the last 20 years. They're all unique and different.
    If you really spend time closely listening to all these instruments you can tell.
    Most people can't because they only use 1 machine at best. No A and B comparison can be made.
    This new digital version is for a different market anyway.
    I imagine Markus will continue to build the MK 6 alongside this digital tron, just as Streetly will continue with the M4000.
    And rightfully so.
    Anyone wanting authenticity and a product of real quality will buy an original tape version.
    Anyone wanting the sounds and feel with digital high quality will buy an authorized "tribute version"
    There's room for both.
    On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mattias Olsson <Mattias.olsson5@ comhem.se> wrote:
    Buying a Chamberlin M1 for 7000 dollars wont really make as much sense anymore...
    But keep it a secret...
    // Mattias
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:39 PM
    Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    If true, Memotron is done for. Markus will hit a home run if pricing is that low.

    From: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of djacques@csulb. edu
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:32 PM
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Its a lot lower than that.
    Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
    From: "Tron400" <kornowicz@cox. net>
    Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000
    Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report



    I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.

    Bernie

    --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, lsf5275@... wrote:
    >
    > I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900. 00
    >

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report

    2010-01-16 by djacques@csulb.edu

    Same here.

    Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

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    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report

    I've done the same with my tron Mike. I sampled it all and didn't process the samples. It's only one articulation, but it still sounds better than an M-tron or whatever.

    fd



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@ gmail.com>
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 4:43 am
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report

    My keyboard action still feels okay too despite having been given a complete battering over the last two years. I know it needs a service, but the action feels okay to me. As for 'sponginess' , I've played a MemoryMoog and found that had the weirdest action I've ever felt in a keyboard. There is the contact...and there is a bit more afterwards that doesn't do anything. It's just a matter of getting used to what you're dealing with. Mellotron keyboards run on wood, rubber and sprung metal. It's never going to rock-solid on that basis, but by no means is it as heavy as (say) a Birotron (which has keys that feel like they were weighted on leaf springs) or some of the more revolting plasticky things that troubled us in the 1980s.

    What I positively like about the touch on a Hammond or a Mellotron or (direct action) pipe organ is the feeling that you are part of the machine. You can either feel the mechanics of the system under your fingertips. There is a bit of work involved there perhaps, but I don't mind it as much as I mind the feeling that I'm simply playing a series of rather dead digital switches.

    As for samples and MIDI, they have their place. They make a lot of things a lot easier and have obviously opened doors to many many things that were previously impossible to encompass, but to me they just play back with monotonous regularity. I've been messing about a little with that RedTron plugin and frankly the Mk-V version (for some reason) sounds better, for some reason. The problem is that the samples are lousy and there is really no way round that. Okay, so Mellotrons have their off days too (as we all know) but they get better. With this, you're stuck with a picture of what someone else thought sounded great. It's like the difference between making an Airfix kit aeroplane model and a balsa model. With one you are tied to other people's ideas and that (to me) is limiting.

    Having said all that, I'll qualify it by saying that I've sampled 3-violins myself and I'd defy anyone to A/B a scale of it and the M400 whence it came and tell the difference. I just didn't treat the samples at all. Someone might learn this trick one day. We'll see.

    Mike


    fdoddy@aol.com wrote:
    My Streetly refurb still feels pretty good after, what is it now, 7 years?! I like the fight, the pushback of a tron. It's like playing a guitar through a "gasp" real amplifier. Ya gotta work it.... Samples and a MIDI keyboard are too forgiving. Like the old Italian grandmas say about making risotto, "The rice must feel the pain"




    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-16 by tony1

    
    Fritz where did you see pics of the digital unit?
    I agree with you about lacking the "magic" of the real deal.
    Digital control I like, but not for sound generation.
    Best,
    Tony
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    Nice sounding mic pre's on the onyx series.

    Digital tron? I dunno...It's pretty. Somedays my tron just doesn't want to sound good or in tune on a track, so I just do something else because it wasn't meant to be. The days it wants to play nicely, it's magic. I imagine the digital tron will sound just fine everyday but I anticipate there won't be any magic for me.

    fd



    -----Original Message-----
    From: tony1 <atm655@verizon. net>
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:04 pm
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    
    Agreed I have a small Mackie for my practice room and I like the little sucker.
    Their Oynx 80 looks good to me.
    That ought to piss the neighbors off.
    Have a great weekend and thanks for your valued input (no pun).
    Best,
    Tony
    PS what do you think of this digital Mellotron?
    I'm wating for M5000 #2.
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:36 PM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Glad to help. We still have one of the first Mackie 8-buss mixers delivered to NY. It has the shit beat out of it and it still sounds fine. I have a first gen 1604 ganged to a 1604 VLZ. That's what I tracked and mixed my record on. Can't kill those Mackie boards. If there is a Hall of Fame for mixers, the first gen 1604 has got to get in :>) Not one problem in 18 years.

    fd



    -----Original Message-----
    From: tony1 <atm655@verizon. net>
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:49 pm
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    
    Hey Fritz,
    I don't buy used for a lot of reasons.
    Former AES member too, so no stranger to this stuff.
    Out of practice sure, but my ears still spot on tunings etc, as I was the synth tech for a major store here and drew clients from all over the Tampa/St. Pete/Clearwater area (over 3 million folks).
    I like the Mackie stuff and am 90% sure they make a 48 channel board, plus I still have my "ins" from those days locally.
    I remember the unvieling of the Solid State Logic board at the 1979 AES convention in Los Angeles. What a piece of gear as well as the Neve!
    Going to have a look at Toft stuff in a few.
    Thanks for your suggestions, I'll let you know what I end up with.
    Best,
    Tony
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 4:25 PM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Be very wary of buying anything used unless you have a good tech and know what to look for. If you are looking for something used, see if you can get it in your set up for a while.

    Gonna be tough finding something that's over 32 channels that isn't geared more for live unless you've got some bucks to spend.

    Please stay away from digital mixers. Yes, they're convenient but sound like shit.

    Old Mackie 8-buss mixers still sound nice and you can probably find a side car for them. Mackie Digital 8-buss are absolute nightmares.

    New stuff? I'm liking the Chinese made Toft ATB series. They all have a monitor section so a 32 channel board can net you 64 discrete inputs. They sound very nice too for the money.

    SSL AWS 900 kicks sublime ass but it's pricey. It would be my desert island desk. We have one at work...maybe they won't miss it :>)

    fd



    -----Original Message-----
    From: tony1 <atm655@verizon. net>
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:03 pm
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Speaking for myself, I find something interesting in about every musical instrument around.
    I need a larger mixer (40+ chan) and I would appreciate an honest reccomendation fellas!
    Thanks in advance,
    Tony
    Neve is a bit out of my reach lol.
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    From: Chris Dale
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:53 PM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Nah, I doubt this will make a difference to the "Chamberlin" market. If you ever had one or ever played one you'd know.
    Chamberlin sounds in a Mellotron do not sound the same as a real Chamberlin - just as the M400 violins do not sound identical to the MK II violins, nor do M300 sounds or MK II sounds sound like a real MK II or M300 if they're coming from an M400.
    This is my experience playing multiple Chamberlins and Mellotrons over the last 20 years. They're all unique and different.
    If you really spend time closely listening to all these instruments you can tell.
    Most people can't because they only use 1 machine at best. No A and B comparison can be made.
    This new digital version is for a different market anyway.
    I imagine Markus will continue to build the MK 6 alongside this digital tron, just as Streetly will continue with the M4000.
    And rightfully so.
    Anyone wanting authenticity and a product of real quality will buy an original tape version.
    Anyone wanting the sounds and feel with digital high quality will buy an authorized "tribute version"
    There's room for both.
    On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mattias Olsson <Mattias.olsson5@ comhem.se> wrote:
    Buying a Chamberlin M1 for 7000 dollars wont really make as much sense anymore...
    But keep it a secret...
    // Mattias
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    If true, Memotron is done for. Markus will hit a home run if pricing is that low.

    From: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of djacques@csulb. edu
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:32 PM
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    Its a lot lower than that.
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    Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000
    Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report



    I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.

    Bernie

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    > I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900. 00
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    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-16 by tronbros@aol.com

    In a message dated 16/01/2010 16:33:53 GMT Standard Time, gabru@comsec.net writes:

    The point I was trying to make between the Grand Piano and Mellotron samples was that

    the frequency response and the velovity at which the string is struck is what makes the piano more difficult to sample than the playback of a

    string instrument (for example) that is played back through a very limited response system such as the Mellotron. However it is the lack

    of response that gives it it’s unique character and made the Mellotron the fascinating instrument it is.

    Actually the mellotron is capable of great frequency response. It's the old recordings that are mitigated. We have put fresh recordings through it and get up to 16k back. Not many people know that!
    Michale Caine
    Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic
    www.mellotronics.com UPDATED
    M4000 tour de force - UK trailer http://thebox-movie.warnerbros.com/
    US Sales East: Jimmy Moore JMoore6397@aol.com
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    RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-16 by Gary Brumm

    Hi Michale,

    The point I was trying to make is that the Mellotron is great at what it does but you could never get a good grand piano (for example) due to

    the velocity sensitivity of the tumbrel nuances caused be the touch of the player. 16k would put it on par with an inexpensive cassette deck. But if

    we never had the Mellotron I think we would have lost the classic sound that would not have “naturally” occurred in a sampler with more

    response, less noise, etc. Have you ever run a test tape through a machine to plot a response curve? I would bet you are probably down 3db at 16k.

    Are the heads in the current machines the same as in the older ones? For the record I was not trying to criticize the Mellotron and I know and respect

    that you manufacture these machines as a labor of love. So please do not take any offense. There are a lot of bad samples out there as well as some good

    ones. Mike D. pointed out that many of the bad ones are pre processed and I would prefer to make any of those decisions myself starting with the original

    basic sound of the instrument.

    Cheers,

    Gary

    From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tronbros@aol.com
    Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 9:20 AM
    To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    In a message dated 16/01/2010 16:33:53 GMT Standard Time, gabru@comsec.net writes:

    The point I was trying to make between the Grand Piano and Mellotron samples was that

    the frequency response and the velovity at which the string is struck is what makes the piano more difficult to sample than the playback of a

    string instrument (for example) that is played back through a very limited response system such as the Mellotron. However it is the lack

    of response that gives it it’s unique character and made the Mellotron the fascinating instrument it is.

    Actually the mellotron is capable of great frequency response. It's the old recordings that are mitigated. We have put fresh recordings through it and get up to 16k back. Not many people know that!

    Michale Caine

    Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic
    www.mellotronics.com UPDATED
    M4000 tour de force - UK trailer     http://thebox-movie.warnerbros.com/
    US Sales East: Jimmy Moore JMoore6397@aol.com
    US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink.net
    Chloe Smith: myspace.com/chloesmithmusic

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-16 by Mark Pring

    I can't believe you are serious Mike. My piano teacher's Steinway is the only instrument I would consider swapping my mellotron for. The amount of control you have over the sound is amazing, you would have to have hundreds of samples per note to duplicate the sound.


    I much prefer a mellotron to samples but surely the differences in playing a single note ten times are mainly differences of pitch, not dynamics and tonal quality as on a piano. Altough you get different sounds from a mellotron I am not convinced you have that much control over them.



    With the new mellotron there will be no difference so why bother replicating the keyboard ( my dislike of the action being just my honest opinion) and making it look like a mellotron which it isn't. Other than the obvious point of making it sell. It is just a very expensive device to play back samples.


    Mark


    PS I know it wasn't your post but the Steinway is about as much use for rock music as the mellotron is for baroque.


    --- On Sun, 1/17/10, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com> wrote:

    Sampling a Steinway (or at least 'getting an accurate digital picture of one') is probably much easier as Steinways are way more consistent in their sound than a Mellotron. You can play the same note ten times on a Mellotron and they won't sound the same every time, in the same way my upright piano doesn't play the same way two days in a row. Steinways on the other hand have centuries of engineering refinement in them that gives you a very consistent sound.


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    2010-01-16 by Mike Dickson

    Mark Pring wrote:

    I can't believe you are serious Mike. My piano teacher's Steinway is the only instrument I would consider swapping my mellotron for. The amount of control you have over the sound is amazing, you would have to have hundreds of samples per note to duplicate the sound.


    I wasn't suggesting sampling a Steinway on a Mellotron, for crying out loud! I think we were talking at cross purposes.

    Incidentally, when Technics brought out their digitally sampled piano (FX-1? I forget now) in the 1980s it was a pretty good approximation of 'the real thing', even then. They sampled a Steinway too. The sampled every note at 17 different rates of velocity to build a very complete picture of the instrument. They housed it in dummy casework and attached dummy hammers to the weighted keys so it even felt like the real thing. Reportedly they spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in researching this to see how to record the piano, how many different timbres it had, how the samples should be stored etc etc. And yes, it sounded 'real'. However, it sounded exactly like a Steinway that you had your head pressed up against. Every key had been close miked to get every last possible nuance of sound which meant that when you played it back it sounded like a close miked Steinway. They had forgotten that so much of a piano's sound is in the room where it is played, and adding that digitally (then) was next to impossible. In seeking the perfect sampler they had invented the world's most absurd sounding piano.


    With the new mellotron there will be no difference so why bother replicating the keyboard ( my dislike of the action being just my honest opinion) and making it look like a mellotron which it isn't. Other than the obvious point of making it sell. It is just a very expensive device to play back samples.


    It's an expensive device to play back very specific samples. Plus it looks like the real thing too, in some measure. Personally, I reckon he will sell about a dozen of them, though I may be wrong. Who is it aimed at? The Mellotron freaks and purists won't want one because 'it's a sampler', and the normal people out there who just want the sounds will take one look at this, one look at the M-Tron and then another look at the (free) Red-Tron. I'm certain I know which I would go for. (Having played with it for a couple of days now, I think the Red-Tron sounds better than the M-Tron!) As Mattias said, people just want the sounds. It could come in a plywood box, a plastic box or a bunch of pixels and electrical impulses on a PC. Generally speaking, who cares? If people were such purists then the M-Tron would not have sold ten copies, it sounds that bad. But most people don't know the difference.



    PS I know it wasn't your post but the Steinway is about as much use for rock music as the mellotron is for baroque.

    http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/private/V4S-1.mp3
    http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/mellotronworks/04%20Air%20on%20the%20G%20String.mp3


    Mike

    Re: Mellotron v. Chamberlin keyboard (was RE: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report)

    2010-01-16 by Chris Dale

    Hi Vance:

    Chris –

    Yep – The pins and springs are fine. I turn off the amp and listen so I have the pinch roller adjustment at the same barely-disengaged point – amp back on and double check -- then I adjust the pushpad for a just-firm-enough engagement for full sound without any drag/wobble. The problem with the keyboard is mostly the ugly disarray of the keys which also effects how they are “located” as run through their short arc when they are played.

    Yeah, the measurement and number of turns is much finer distance than Mellotrons.

    My MAIN issue is actually some of the return spools (after it warms up for 10 mins or so – this seems to be an M2/long return spindle issue – my old M1 didn’t need to warm up but 2 mins) making gobs of squeaky, whining racket – some of which makes through into the signal and out the speakers – argh! - But I want to get these rubber keyboard pieces sorted out before I dive into that. I’ve done some return spool adjustment screw tweaking, but it won’t help some of them – do I need to re-felt the spools?? I hope not….

    About the rubber pieces - you might have to make those out of something else. I'll look and see if I have those, but I don't think I do. You might try taking silicone and making a "copy" of one by drying the silicone out in the shape of one. That's the cheapest way!
    And for the return rings, I think the allen screw is touching the return shaft on several keys, I'd actually try removing them entirely on the keys that don't cooperate just to see if they're causing the noise.
    That's how I knew they were making noise on mine. Then I put them back and very finely adjusted them.
    On mine I find that after it's been warmed up for 15-30 min that problem goes away. It may just need a warm up.
    Your M2 is longer than the M1 and it takes longer for the heat to move around.
    If you still have noise after backing off / removing the allen screws then yeah you may need to re-felt the spools. That's a BIG job and I'd rather bring it to Richard (...if.... he's up for that) unless you have the time to do it.
    The only other cause for this noise (and hopefully it isn't this) is a bearing in the shaft has gone and it's grinding - but that's unlikely.
    For now I'd try to get the rubber bits made. Please let me know about that because I don't know if I have any, and I'll need them too.
    Chris

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    From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Dale
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 11:59 AM
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    Subject: Re: Mellotron v. Chamberlin keyboard (was RE: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report)

    Hi Vance:

    Have you tried adjusting the back of the keys? Are the pins /springs okay?


    On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Pomeroy RH Ranch <punchbowl4@earthlink.net> wrote:

    [Attachment(s) from Pomeroy RH Ranch included below]

    My last turn at a Mellotron was Dave Kean's MkII (I need to get out more often) - I liked the feel well enough. What would you say the comparison is with a Chamberlin M-series?? - I find my M2 not-particularly-light, and having a fairly long key travel -- even when I have it adjusted for attack high on the key stroke, I push pretty far down as a matter of course.

    For a while now I've had the keyboard partly torn down because I want to replace the rubber key-bumpers (under the front of the key) -- anyone know where I can get these?? Without them, the keyboard looks dishevelled with keys at slightly different heights, some going down further than others, and the keys pushing down a bit crooked. I've attached a couple of small pic files to show what they are. Are there suitable substitutes that could help with the action??

    Vance ---- my rice must be masochists - no crying, only moans

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    From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of fdoddy@aol.com

    My Streetly refurb still feels pretty good after, what is it now, 7 years?! I like the fight, the pushback of a tron. It's like playing a guitar through a "gasp" real amplifier. Ya gotta work it.... Samples and a MIDI keyboard are too forgiving. Like the old Italian grandmas say about making risotto, "The rice must feel the pain"


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    To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

    In a message dated 15/01/2010 03:35:16 GMT Standard Time, markpringnz@yahoo.com writes:

    Can't see the advantage of having a mellotron keyboard action, it's horrible!

    Wrong! Yours might be but that doesn't have to be the case!

    M

    Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic
    www.mellotronics.com UPDATED
    M4000 tour de force - UK trailer     http://thebox-movie.warnerbros.com/
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    Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-16 by ClayE

    Did one of the orifices not meet your expectations Dave?

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    > Nice sounding mic pre's on the onyx series.
    >
    > Digital tron? I dunno...It's pretty. Somedays my tron just doesn't want to sound good or in tune on a track, so I just do something else because it wasn't meant to be. The days it wants to play nicely, it's magic. I imagine the digital tron will sound just fine everyday but I anticipate there won't be any magic for me.
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    > fd

    Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-16 by sdavmor

    I couldn't go last night to NAMM unfortunately -- family stuff. But
    I will be ordering the "Mellodrama" DVD. And I am very interested in
    learning more about the new digital 'tron.
    --
    Cheers, SDM -- a 21st Century Schizoid Man
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    find us on MySpace, GarageBand, Reverb Nation, Last FM, CDBaby
    free MP3s of Systems Theory, Mike Dickson & Greg Amov music at
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    Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report

    2010-01-16 by Chris Dale

    Mike - on the Birotron you played - was there some kind of adjustment for how heavy or light the keys would play? I'm not talking about pinch rollers / pressure pads obviously. I mean was there some kind of global mechanical rod that adjusted the feel of the keys?
    I played Dave Biro's Birotron, but his doesn't have an outer case, and maybe some other physical parts are missing. The keyboard was fine on that one. It played great, but the track selector linkages were goofed when you moved it to track 4. I don't know if that was due to a design fault, an adjustment issue, or damage over time. Those were pre-production prototypes anyway - so each one could actually have different features (or flaws).
    As far as our discussion of touch goes - A mellotron CAN be as touch responsive as a piano in a different way. If you play the key very gently, the first few seconds of sound "flow" in and that softens your attack. The sound is softer because you hear it 4 seconds into the playing of the tape instead of right at the beginning. On the Mellotron it sounds wonderful with flutes and strings. Trying this with harp sounds on the Chamberlin is similar. You can have the pick of the note if you press down hard, or you can play the note slowly and have a soft attack on the harp.
    I think this is what Martin and Vance are referring to specifically.
    And this is my problem with many samples. They're pre-processed (as Mike and Fritz alluded to - basically someone else's idea of what they think it's supposed to sound like), and likely based on the sounds of their favourite bands and not actual musical time spent with a tape instrument. They've also completely neglected the idea of playing softly and playing with the pitch bend at different speeds as well.
    In general - these new digital trons are made with the contemporary music of the 90's and 2000's in mind - little or no adventurous Mellotron use.
    So I think if you only want a generic Mellotron atmosphere, these latest digital incarnations are fine. But if you want to be use the real thing with soft / choppy key play and tape speed wind-up / wind down then I feel only a real tape instrument will do.
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    Mellotron keyboards run on wood, rubber and sprung metal. It's never going to rock-solid on that basis, but by no means is it as heavy as (say) a Birotron (which has keys that feel like they were weighted on leaf springs) or some of the more revolting plasticky things that troubled us in the 1980s.


    What I positively like about the touch on a Hammond or a Mellotron or (direct action) pipe organ is the feeling that you are part of the machine. You can either feel the mechanics of the system under your fingertips. There is a bit of work involved there perhaps, but I don't mind it as much as I mind the feeling that I'm simply playing a series of rather dead digital switches.

    As for samples and MIDI, they have their place. They make a lot of things a lot easier and have obviously opened doors to many many things that were previously impossible to encompass, but to me they just play back with monotonous regularity. I've been messing about a little with that RedTron plugin and frankly the Mk-V version (for some reason) sounds better, for some reason. The problem is that the samples are lousy and there is really no way round that. Okay, so Mellotrons have their off days too (as we all know) but they get better. With this, you're stuck with a picture of what someone else thought sounded great. It's like the difference between making an Airfix kit aeroplane model and a balsa model. With one you are tied to other people's ideas and that (to me) is limiting.

    Having said all that, I'll qualify it by saying that I've sampled 3-violins myself and I'd defy anyone to A/B a scale of it and the M400 whence it came and tell the difference. I just didn't treat the samples at all. Someone might learn this trick one day. We'll see.

    Mike




    fdoddy@aol.com wrote:

    My Streetly refurb still feels pretty good after, what is it now, 7 years?! I like the fight, the pushback of a tron. It's like playing a guitar through a "gasp" real amplifier. Ya gotta work it.... Samples and a MIDI keyboard are too forgiving. Like the old Italian grandmas say about making risotto, "The rice must feel the pain"





    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-16 by kinchmusic@aol.com


    as the mellotron is for baroque.
    And of course, if it's not baroque, then don't fix it!
    I have to confess, that if I want a tron for the road, then I find the Memotron works brilliantly, and it is very light to carry, and to these eyes, looks fantastic!
    I just would not risk my tron being bounced around in the back of the car unless I had to. The cabinet creaks a bit to much nowadays for me to move it.
    The fact that I have my gear upstairs also might have something to do with it.
    Andy K




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    Mark Pring wrote:
    I can't believe you are serious Mike. My piano teacher's Steinway is the only instrument I would consider swapping my mellotron for. The amount of control you have over the sound is amazing, you would have to have hundreds of samples per note to duplicate the sound.

    I wasn't suggesting sampling a Steinway on a Mellotron, for crying out loud! I think we were talking at cross purposes.

    Incidentally, when Technics brought out their digitally sampled piano (FX-1? I forget now) in the 1980s it was a pretty good approximation of 'the real thing', even then. They sampled a Steinway too. The sampled every note at 17 different rates of velocity to build a very complete picture of the instrument. They housed it in dummy casework and attached dummy hammers to the weighted keys so it even felt like the real thing. Reportedly they spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in researching this to see how to record the piano, how many different timbres it had, how the samples should be stored etc etc. And yes, it sounded 'real'. However, it sounded exactly like a Steinway that you had your head pressed up against. Every key had been close miked to get every last possible nuance of sound which meant that when you played it back it sounded like a close miked Steinway. They had forgotten that so much of a piano's sound is in the room where it is played, and adding that digitally (then) was next to impossible. In seeking the perfect sampler they had invented the world's most absurd sounding piano.


    With the new mellotron there will be no difference so why bother replicating the keyboard ( my dislike of the action being just my honest opinion) and making it look like a mellotron which it isn't. Other than the obvious point of making it sell. It is just a very expensive device to play back samples.

    It's an expensive device to play back very specific samples. Plus it looks like the real thing too, in some measure. Personally, I reckon he will sell about a dozen of them, though I may be wrong. Who is it aimed at? The Mellotron freaks and purists won't want one because 'it's a sampler', and the normal people out there who just want the sounds will take one look at this, one look at the M-Tron and then another look at the (free) Red-Tron. I'm certain I know which I would go for. (Having played with it for a couple of days now, I think the Red-Tron sounds better than the M-Tron!) As Mattias said, people just want the sounds. It could come in a plywood box, a plastic box or a bunch of pixels and electrical impulses on a PC. Generally speaking, who cares? If people were such purists then the M-Tron would not have sold ten copies, it sounds that bad. But most people don't know the difference.



    PS I know it wasn't your post but the Steinway is about as much use for rock music as the mellotron is for baroque.
    http://www.mikedick son.org.uk/ private/V4S- 1.mp3
    http://www.mikedick son.org.uk/ mellotronworks/ 04%20Air% 20on%20the% 20G%20String. mp3


    Mike

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-16 by fdoddy@aol.com

    yeah, hit it hard baby and listen to the difference



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    Can a mellotron do more than one articulation?

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    > I've done the same with my tron Mike. I sampled it all and didn't process the samples. It's only one articulation, but it still sounds better than an M-tron or whatever.
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    > My keyboard action still feels okay too despite having been given acomplete battering over the last two years. I know it needs aservice, but the action feels okay to me. As for 'sponginess' , I'veplayed a MemoryMoog and found that had the weirdest action I've everfelt in a keyboard. There is the contact...and there is a bitmore afterwards that doesn't do anything. It's just a matter of gettingused to what you're dealing with. Mellotron keyboards run on wood,rubber and sprung metal. It's never going to rock-solid on that basis,but by no means is it as heavy as (say) a Birotron (which has keys thatfeel like they were weighted on leaf springs) or some of the morerevolting plasticky things that troubled us in the 1980s.
    >
    > What I positively like about the touch on a Hammond or aMellotron or (direct action) pipe organ is the feeling that you are partof the machine. You can either feel the mechanics of the systemunder your fingertips. There is a bit of work involved there perhaps,but I don't mind it as much as I mind the feeling that I'm simplyplaying a series of rather dead digital switches.
    >
    > As for samples and MIDI, they have their place. They make a lot ofthings a lot easier and have obviously opened doors to many many thingsthat were previously impossible to encompass, but to me they just playback with monotonous regularity. I've been messing about a little withthat RedTron plugin and frankly the Mk-V version (for some reason)sounds better, for some reason. The problem is that the samples arelousy and there is really no way round that. Okay, so Mellotrons havetheir off days too (as we all know) but they get better. With this,you're stuck with a picture of what someone else thoughtsounded great. It's like the difference between making an Airfix kitaeroplane model and a balsa model. With one you are tied to otherpeople' s ideas and that (to me) is limiting.
    >
    > Having said all that, I'll qualify it by saying that I've sampled3-violins myself and I'd defy anyone to A/B a scale of it and the M400whence it came and tell the difference. I just didn't treat the samplesat all. Someone might learn this trick one day. We'll see.
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    > fdoddy@... wrote:
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    > MyStreetly refurb still feels pretty good after, what is it now, 7years?! I like the fight, the pushback of a tron. It's like playing aguitar through a "gasp" real amplifier. Ya gotta work it.... Samplesand a MIDI keyboard are too forgiving. Like the old Italian grandmassay about making risotto, "The rice must feel the pain"
    >

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-16 by fdoddy@aol.com

    hahaha



    -----Original Message-----
    From: djacques@csulb.edu
    To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 12:00 pm
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Or disappointment. Like that new sex robot that is now available for 7000 dollars.
    Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
    Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:30:44 -0500
    To: <newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com>
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Nice sounding mic pre's on the onyx series.

    Digital tron? I dunno...It's pretty. Somedays my tron just doesn't want to sound good or in tune on a track, so I just do something else because it wasn't meant to be. The days it wants to play nicely, it's magic. I imagine the digital tron will sound just fine everyday but I anticipate there won't be any magic for me.

    fd



    -----Original Message-----
    From: tony1 <atm655@verizon. net>
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:04 pm
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    
    Agreed I have a small Mackie for my practice room and I like the little sucker.
    Their Oynx 80 looks good to me.
    That ought to piss the neighbors off.
    Have a great weekend and thanks for your valued input (no pun).
    Best,
    Tony
    PS what do you think of this digital Mellotron?
    I'm wating for M5000 #2.
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:36 PM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Glad to help. We still have one of the first Mackie 8-buss mixers delivered to NY. It has the shit beat out of it and it still sounds fine. I have a first gen 1604 ganged to a 1604 VLZ. That's what I tracked and mixed my record on. Can't kill those Mackie boards. If there is a Hall of Fame for mixers, the first gen 1604 has got to get in :>) Not one problem in 18 years.

    fd



    -----Original Message-----
    From: tony1 <atm655@verizon. net>
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:49 pm
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    
    Hey Fritz,
    I don't buy used for a lot of reasons.
    Former AES member too, so no stranger to this stuff.
    Out of practice sure, but my ears still spot on tunings etc, as I was the synth tech for a major store here and drew clients from all over the Tampa/St. Pete/Clearwater area (over 3 million folks).
    I like the Mackie stuff and am 90% sure they make a 48 channel board, plus I still have my "ins" from those days locally.
    I remember the unvieling of the Solid State Logic board at the 1979 AES convention in Los Angeles. What a piece of gear as well as the Neve!
    Going to have a look at Toft stuff in a few.
    Thanks for your suggestions, I'll let you know what I end up with.
    Best,
    Tony
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 4:25 PM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Be very wary of buying anything used unless you have a good tech and know what to look for. If you are looking for something used, see if you can get it in your set up for a while.

    Gonna be tough finding something that's over 32 channels that isn't geared more for live unless you've got some bucks to spend.

    Please stay away from digital mixers. Yes, they're convenient but sound like shit.

    Old Mackie 8-buss mixers still sound nice and you can probably find a side car for them. Mackie Digital 8-buss are absolute nightmares.

    New stuff? I'm liking the Chinese made Toft ATB series. They all have a monitor section so a 32 channel board can net you 64 discrete inputs. They sound very nice too for the money.

    SSL AWS 900 kicks sublime ass but it's pricey. It would be my desert island desk. We have one at work...maybe they won't miss it :>)

    fd



    -----Original Message-----
    From: tony1 <atm655@verizon. net>
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:03 pm
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Speaking for myself, I find something interesting in about every musical instrument around.
    I need a larger mixer (40+ chan) and I would appreciate an honest reccomendation fellas!
    Thanks in advance,
    Tony
    Neve is a bit out of my reach lol.
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Chris Dale
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:53 PM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Nah, I doubt this will make a difference to the "Chamberlin" market. If you ever had one or ever played one you'd know.
    Chamberlin sounds in a Mellotron do not sound the same as a real Chamberlin - just as the M400 violins do not sound identical to the MK II violins, nor do M300 sounds or MK II sounds sound like a real MK II or M300 if they're coming from an M400.
    This is my experience playing multiple Chamberlins and Mellotrons over the last 20 years. They're all unique and different.
    If you really spend time closely listening to all these instruments you can tell.
    Most people can't because they only use 1 machine at best. No A and B comparison can be made.
    This new digital version is for a different market anyway.
    I imagine Markus will continue to build the MK 6 alongside this digital tron, just as Streetly will continue with the M4000.
    And rightfully so.
    Anyone wanting authenticity and a product of real quality will buy an original tape version.
    Anyone wanting the sounds and feel with digital high quality will buy an authorized "tribute version"
    There's room for both.
    On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mattias Olsson <Mattias.olsson5@ comhem.se> wrote:
    Buying a Chamberlin M1 for 7000 dollars wont really make as much sense anymore...
    But keep it a secret...
    // Mattias
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:39 PM
    Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    If true, Memotron is done for. Markus will hit a home run if pricing is that low.

    From: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of djacques@csulb. edu
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:32 PM
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Its a lot lower than that.
    Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
    From: "Tron400" <kornowicz@cox. net>
    Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000
    Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report



    I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.

    Bernie

    --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, lsf5275@... wrote:
    >
    > I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900. 00
    >

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-16 by fdoddy@aol.com

    it's on mellotron.com. click on the picture on the right.

    fd



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    From: tony1 <atm655@verizon.net>
    To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 12:01 pm
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    
    Fritz where did you see pics of the digital unit?
    I agree with you about lacking the "magic" of the real deal.
    Digital control I like, but not for sound generation.
    Best,
    Tony
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 9:30 AM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Nice sounding mic pre's on the onyx series.

    Digital tron? I dunno...It's pretty. Somedays my tron just doesn't want to sound good or in tune on a track, so I just do something else because it wasn't meant to be. The days it wants to play nicely, it's magic. I imagine the digital tron will sound just fine everyday but I anticipate there won't be any magic for me.

    fd



    -----Original Message-----
    From: tony1 <atm655@verizon. net>
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:04 pm
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    
    Agreed I have a small Mackie for my practice room and I like the little sucker.
    Their Oynx 80 looks good to me.
    That ought to piss the neighbors off.
    Have a great weekend and thanks for your valued input (no pun).
    Best,
    Tony
    PS what do you think of this digital Mellotron?
    I'm wating for M5000 #2.
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:36 PM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Glad to help. We still have one of the first Mackie 8-buss mixers delivered to NY. It has the shit beat out of it and it still sounds fine. I have a first gen 1604 ganged to a 1604 VLZ. That's what I tracked and mixed my record on. Can't kill those Mackie boards. If there is a Hall of Fame for mixers, the first gen 1604 has got to get in :>) Not one problem in 18 years.

    fd



    -----Original Message-----
    From: tony1 <atm655@verizon. net>
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:49 pm
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    
    Hey Fritz,
    I don't buy used for a lot of reasons.
    Former AES member too, so no stranger to this stuff.
    Out of practice sure, but my ears still spot on tunings etc, as I was the synth tech for a major store here and drew clients from all over the Tampa/St. Pete/Clearwater area (over 3 million folks).
    I like the Mackie stuff and am 90% sure they make a 48 channel board, plus I still have my "ins" from those days locally.
    I remember the unvieling of the Solid State Logic board at the 1979 AES convention in Los Angeles. What a piece of gear as well as the Neve!
    Going to have a look at Toft stuff in a few.
    Thanks for your suggestions, I'll let you know what I end up with.
    Best,
    Tony
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 4:25 PM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Be very wary of buying anything used unless you have a good tech and know what to look for. If you are looking for something used, see if you can get it in your set up for a while.

    Gonna be tough finding something that's over 32 channels that isn't geared more for live unless you've got some bucks to spend.

    Please stay away from digital mixers. Yes, they're convenient but sound like shit.

    Old Mackie 8-buss mixers still sound nice and you can probably find a side car for them. Mackie Digital 8-buss are absolute nightmares.

    New stuff? I'm liking the Chinese made Toft ATB series. They all have a monitor section so a 32 channel board can net you 64 discrete inputs. They sound very nice too for the money.

    SSL AWS 900 kicks sublime ass but it's pricey. It would be my desert island desk. We have one at work...maybe they won't miss it :>)

    fd



    -----Original Message-----
    From: tony1 <atm655@verizon. net>
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:03 pm
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Speaking for myself, I find something interesting in about every musical instrument around.
    I need a larger mixer (40+ chan) and I would appreciate an honest reccomendation fellas!
    Thanks in advance,
    Tony
    Neve is a bit out of my reach lol.
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Chris Dale
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:53 PM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Nah, I doubt this will make a difference to the "Chamberlin" market. If you ever had one or ever played one you'd know.
    Chamberlin sounds in a Mellotron do not sound the same as a real Chamberlin - just as the M400 violins do not sound identical to the MK II violins, nor do M300 sounds or MK II sounds sound like a real MK II or M300 if they're coming from an M400.
    This is my experience playing multiple Chamberlins and Mellotrons over the last 20 years. They're all unique and different.
    If you really spend time closely listening to all these instruments you can tell.
    Most people can't because they only use 1 machine at best. No A and B comparison can be made.
    This new digital version is for a different market anyway.
    I imagine Markus will continue to build the MK 6 alongside this digital tron, just as Streetly will continue with the M4000.
    And rightfully so.
    Anyone wanting authenticity and a product of real quality will buy an original tape version.
    Anyone wanting the sounds and feel with digital high quality will buy an authorized "tribute version"
    There's room for both.
    On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mattias Olsson <Mattias.olsson5@ comhem.se> wrote:
    Buying a Chamberlin M1 for 7000 dollars wont really make as much sense anymore...
    But keep it a secret...
    // Mattias
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:39 PM
    Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    If true, Memotron is done for. Markus will hit a home run if pricing is that low.

    From: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of djacques@csulb. edu
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:32 PM
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Its a lot lower than that.
    Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
    From: "Tron400" <kornowicz@cox. net>
    Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000
    Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report



    I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.

    Bernie

    --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, lsf5275@... wrote:
    >
    > I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900. 00
    >

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] NAMM Report

    2010-01-16 by Mike Dickson

    Chris Dale wrote:
    Mike - on the Birotron you played - was there some kind of adjustment for how heavy or light the keys would play? I'm not talking about pinch rollers / pressure pads obviously. I mean was there some kind of global mechanical rod that adjusted the feel of the keys?

    Not to my knowledge, but then again I never went looking for it I admit. The clattering of the cartridges was actually more distracting than the touch of the thing.




    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-16 by David Jacques

    Markus has it set up on top of his Mellotron Mark V, and you cannot tell the difference in sound.


    On Jan 16, 2010, at 2:02 PM, fdoddy@aol.com wrote:



    
    Fritz where did you see pics of the digital unit?
    I agree with you about lacking the "magic" of the real deal.
    Digital control I like, but not for sound generation.
    Best,
    Tony
    ----- Original Message -----
    Show quoted textHide quoted text
    Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 9:30 AM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Nice sounding mic pre's on the onyx series.

    Digital tron? I dunno...It's pretty. Somedays my tron just doesn't want to sound good or in tune on a track, so I just do something else because it wasn't meant to be. The days it wants to play nicely, it's magic. I imagine the digital tron will sound just fine everyday but I anticipate there won't be any magic for me.

    fd



    -----Original Message-----
    From: tony1 <atm655@verizon. net>
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:04 pm
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    
    Agreed I have a small Mackie for my practice room and I like the little sucker.
    Their Oynx 80 looks good to me.
    That ought to piss the neighbors off.
    Have a great weekend and thanks for your valued input (no pun).
    Best,
    Tony
    PS what do you think of this digital Mellotron?
    I'm wating for M5000 #2.
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:36 PM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Glad to help. We still have one of the first Mackie 8-buss mixers delivered to NY. It has the shit beat out of it and it still sounds fine. I have a first gen 1604 ganged to a 1604 VLZ. That's what I tracked and mixed my record on. Can't kill those Mackie boards. If there is a Hall of Fame for mixers, the first gen 1604 has got to get in :>) Not one problem in 18 years.

    fd



    -----Original Message-----
    From: tony1 <atm655@verizon. net>
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:49 pm
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    
    Hey Fritz,
    I don't buy used for a lot of reasons.
    Former AES member too, so no stranger to this stuff.
    Out of practice sure, but my ears still spot on tunings etc, as I was the synth tech for a major store here and drew clients from all over the Tampa/St. Pete/Clearwater area (over 3 million folks).
    I like the Mackie stuff and am 90% sure they make a 48 channel board, plus I still have my "ins" from those days locally.
    I remember the unvieling of the Solid State Logic board at the 1979 AES convention in Los Angeles. What a piece of gear as well as the Neve!
    Going to have a look at Toft stuff in a few.
    Thanks for your suggestions, I'll let you know what I end up with.
    Best,
    Tony
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 4:25 PM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Be very wary of buying anything used unless you have a good tech and know what to look for. If you are looking for something used, see if you can get it in your set up for a while.

    Gonna be tough finding something that's over 32 channels that isn't geared more for live unless you've got some bucks to spend.

    Please stay away from digital mixers. Yes, they're convenient but sound like shit.

    Old Mackie 8-buss mixers still sound nice and you can probably find a side car for them. Mackie Digital 8-buss are absolute nightmares.

    New stuff? I'm liking the Chinese made Toft ATB series. They all have a monitor section so a 32 channel board can net you 64 discrete inputs. They sound very nice too for the money.

    SSL AWS 900 kicks sublime ass but it's pricey. It would be my desert island desk. We have one at work...maybe they won't miss it :>)

    fd



    -----Original Message-----
    From: tony1 <atm655@verizon. net>
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:03 pm
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Speaking for myself, I find something interesting in about every musical instrument around.
    I need a larger mixer (40+ chan) and I would appreciate an honest reccomendation fellas!
    Thanks in advance,
    Tony
    Neve is a bit out of my reach lol.
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:53 PM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Nah, I doubt this will make a difference to the "Chamberlin" market. If you ever had one or ever played one you'd know.
    Chamberlin sounds in a Mellotron do not sound the same as a real Chamberlin - just as the M400 violins do not sound identical to the MK II violins, nor do M300 sounds or MK II sounds sound like a real MK II or M300 if they're coming from an M400.
    This is my experience playing multiple Chamberlins and Mellotrons over the last 20 years. They're all unique and different.
    If you really spend time closely listening to all these instruments you can tell.
    Most people can't because they only use 1 machine at best. No A and B comparison can be made.
    This new digital version is for a different market anyway.
    I imagine Markus will continue to build the MK 6 alongside this digital tron, just as Streetly will continue with the M4000.
    And rightfully so.
    Anyone wanting authenticity and a product of real quality will buy an original tape version.
    Anyone wanting the sounds and feel with digital high quality will buy an authorized "tribute version"
    There's room for both.
    On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mattias Olsson <Mattias.olsson5@ comhem.se> wrote:
    Buying a Chamberlin M1 for 7000 dollars wont really make as much sense anymore...
    But keep it a secret...
    // Mattias
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:39 PM
    Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    If true, Memotron is done for. Markus will hit a home run if pricing is that low.

    From: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of djacques@csulb. edu
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:32 PM
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Its a lot lower than that.
    Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
    From: "Tron400" <kornowicz@cox. net>
    Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000
    Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report



    I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.

    Bernie

    --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, lsf5275@... wrote:
    >
    > I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900. 00
    >



    Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-16 by ClayE

    Are you on DRUGS Chris? If someone wanted to be adventurous live or in the studio using a new digital Mellotron, there is nothing holding them back.

    "only...a generic Mellotron atmosphere" <- WTF is that? You are suggesting that the new digital Mellotron will be a poor substitute for the real thing. That's just nonsense.

    Clay

    Show quoted textHide quoted text
    --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@...> wrote:
    > In general - these new digital trons are made with the contemporary music of the 90's and 2000's in mind - little or no adventurous Mellotron use. So I think if you only want a generic Mellotron atmosphere, these latest digital incarnations are fine.

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-16 by tony1

    
    Then I presume the units are similiar to the size of a Memotron?
    I'd sure like to see some pictures of it!
    Best,
    Tony
    ----- Original Message -----
    Show quoted textHide quoted text
    Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 5:11 PM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Markus has it set up on top of his Mellotron Mark V, and you cannot tell the difference in sound.



    On Jan 16, 2010, at 2:02 PM, fdoddy@aol.com wrote:



    
    Fritz where did you see pics of the digital unit?
    I agree with you about lacking the "magic" of the real deal.
    Digital control I like, but not for sound generation.
    Best,
    Tony
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 9:30 AM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Nice sounding mic pre's on the onyx series.

    Digital tron? I dunno...It's pretty. Somedays my tron just doesn't want to sound good or in tune on a track, so I just do something else because it wasn't meant to be. The days it wants to play nicely, it's magic. I imagine the digital tron will sound just fine everyday but I anticipate there won't be any magic for me.

    fd



    -----Original Message-----
    From: tony1 <atm655@verizon. net>
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:04 pm
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    
    Agreed I have a small Mackie for my practice room and I like the little sucker.
    Their Oynx 80 looks good to me.
    That ought to piss the neighbors off.
    Have a great weekend and thanks for your valued input (no pun).
    Best,
    Tony
    PS what do you think of this digital Mellotron?
    I'm wating for M5000 #2.
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:36 PM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Glad to help. We still have one of the first Mackie 8-buss mixers delivered to NY. It has the shit beat out of it and it still sounds fine. I have a first gen 1604 ganged to a 1604 VLZ. That's what I tracked and mixed my record on. Can't kill those Mackie boards. If there is a Hall of Fame for mixers, the first gen 1604 has got to get in :>) Not one problem in 18 years.

    fd



    -----Original Message-----
    From: tony1 <atm655@verizon. net>
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:49 pm
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    
    Hey Fritz,
    I don't buy used for a lot of reasons.
    Former AES member too, so no stranger to this stuff.
    Out of practice sure, but my ears still spot on tunings etc, as I was the synth tech for a major store here and drew clients from all over the Tampa/St. Pete/Clearwater area (over 3 million folks).
    I like the Mackie stuff and am 90% sure they make a 48 channel board, plus I still have my "ins" from those days locally.
    I remember the unvieling of the Solid State Logic board at the 1979 AES convention in Los Angeles. What a piece of gear as well as the Neve!
    Going to have a look at Toft stuff in a few.
    Thanks for your suggestions, I'll let you know what I end up with.
    Best,
    Tony
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 4:25 PM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Be very wary of buying anything used unless you have a good tech and know what to look for. If you are looking for something used, see if you can get it in your set up for a while.

    Gonna be tough finding something that's over 32 channels that isn't geared more for live unless you've got some bucks to spend.

    Please stay away from digital mixers. Yes, they're convenient but sound like shit.

    Old Mackie 8-buss mixers still sound nice and you can probably find a side car for them. Mackie Digital 8-buss are absolute nightmares.

    New stuff? I'm liking the Chinese made Toft ATB series. They all have a monitor section so a 32 channel board can net you 64 discrete inputs. They sound very nice too for the money.

    SSL AWS 900 kicks sublime ass but it's pricey. It would be my desert island desk. We have one at work...maybe they won't miss it :>)

    fd



    -----Original Message-----
    From: tony1 <atm655@verizon. net>
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:03 pm
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Speaking for myself, I find something interesting in about every musical instrument around.
    I need a larger mixer (40+ chan) and I would appreciate an honest reccomendation fellas!
    Thanks in advance,
    Tony
    Neve is a bit out of my reach lol.
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:53 PM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Nah, I doubt this will make a difference to the "Chamberlin" market. If you ever had one or ever played one you'd know.
    Chamberlin sounds in a Mellotron do not sound the same as a real Chamberlin - just as the M400 violins do not sound identical to the MK II violins, nor do M300 sounds or MK II sounds sound like a real MK II or M300 if they're coming from an M400.
    This is my experience playing multiple Chamberlins and Mellotrons over the last 20 years. They're all unique and different.
    If you really spend time closely listening to all these instruments you can tell.
    Most people can't because they only use 1 machine at best. No A and B comparison can be made.
    This new digital version is for a different market anyway.
    I imagine Markus will continue to build the MK 6 alongside this digital tron, just as Streetly will continue with the M4000.
    And rightfully so.
    Anyone wanting authenticity and a product of real quality will buy an original tape version.
    Anyone wanting the sounds and feel with digital high quality will buy an authorized "tribute version"
    There's room for both.
    On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mattias Olsson <Mattias.olsson5@ comhem.se> wrote:
    Buying a Chamberlin M1 for 7000 dollars wont really make as much sense anymore...
    But keep it a secret...
    // Mattias
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:39 PM
    Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    If true, Memotron is done for. Markus will hit a home run if pricing is that low.

    From: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of djacques@csulb. edu
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:32 PM
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Its a lot lower than that.
    Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
    From: "Tron400" <kornowicz@cox. net>
    Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000
    Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report



    I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.

    Bernie

    --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, lsf5275@... wrote:
    >
    > I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900. 00
    >



    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-16 by Mike Dickson

    ClayE wrote:

    Are you on DRUGS Chris? If someone wanted to be adventurous live or in the studio using a new digital Mellotron, there is nothing holding them back.


    I'm struggling to think of many of the revered Prog Gods who used the Mellotron 'adventurously'. It's not a particularly 'adventurous' instrument. You can use it up front, play it melodically, harmonise all over the place, and certainly you can process the sound or do whatever else you like with it, but adventurous? You can dick about with synths adventurously because you can make them say what you want them to say, but a Mellotron string section is always going to sound like a cello, a viola and three violins, all vaguely out of tune and all sounding monolithic. Ninety nine percent of the people who have put hand to Tron have used it for block chords. Where is the adventure?

    It's still a welcome surprise to hear it at all. I heard it on the intro a fairly nondescript pop song a year or so ago while seated in the dentist's chair and exclaimed 'gucking gell!' as I was having my mouth seen to my an astonished dentist who thought she had accidentally probed through a raw nerve.




    RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-16 by Paul Watson

    I think Tangerine Dream on Phaedra and Rubicon

    used it adventurously by tweaking the hell out

    of their trons.

    From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Dickson
    Sent: Sunday, 17 January 2010 12:32 PM
    To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    ClayE wrote:

    Are you on DRUGS Chris? If someone wanted to be adventurous live or in the studio using a new digital Mellotron, there is nothing holding them back.


    I'm struggling to think of many of the revered Prog Gods who used the Mellotron 'adventurously'. It's not a particularly 'adventurous' instrument. You can use it up front, play it melodically, harmonise all over the place, and certainly you can process the sound or do whatever else you like with it, but adventurous? You can dick about with synths adventurously because you can make them say what you want them to say, but a Mellotron string section is always going to sound like a cello, a viola and three violins, all vaguely out of tune and all sounding monolithic. Ninety nine percent of the people who have put hand to Tron have used it for block chords. Where is the adventure?

    It's still a welcome surprise to hear it at all. I heard it on the intro a fairly nondescript pop song a year or so ago while seated in the dentist's chair and exclaimed 'gucking gell!' as I was having my mouth seen to my an astonished dentist who thought she had accidentally probed through a raw nerve.



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    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-16 by David Jacques

    Its the same width and depth, but only about 10 inches high. Has the same cabinet texture and color. Looks really nice.


    On Jan 16, 2010, at 3:15 PM, tony1 wrote:

    

    Then I presume the units are similiar to the size of a Memotron?
    I'd sure like to see some pictures of it!
    Best,
    Tony
    ----- Original Message -----
    Show quoted textHide quoted text
    Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 5:11 PM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Markus has it set up on top of his Mellotron Mark V, and you cannot tell the difference in sound.



    On Jan 16, 2010, at 2:02 PM, fdoddy@aol.com wrote:



    
    Fritz where did you see pics of the digital unit?
    I agree with you about lacking the "magic" of the real deal.
    Digital control I like, but not for sound generation.
    Best,
    Tony
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 9:30 AM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Nice sounding mic pre's on the onyx series.

    Digital tron? I dunno...It's pretty. Somedays my tron just doesn't want to sound good or in tune on a track, so I just do something else because it wasn't meant to be. The days it wants to play nicely, it's magic. I imagine the digital tron will sound just fine everyday but I anticipate there won't be any magic for me.

    fd



    -----Original Message-----
    From: tony1 <atm655@verizon. net>
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:04 pm
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    
    Agreed I have a small Mackie for my practice room and I like the little sucker.
    Their Oynx 80 looks good to me.
    That ought to piss the neighbors off.
    Have a great weekend and thanks for your valued input (no pun).
    Best,
    Tony
    PS what do you think of this digital Mellotron?
    I'm wating for M5000 #2.
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:36 PM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Glad to help. We still have one of the first Mackie 8-buss mixers delivered to NY. It has the shit beat out of it and it still sounds fine. I have a first gen 1604 ganged to a 1604 VLZ. That's what I tracked and mixed my record on. Can't kill those Mackie boards. If there is a Hall of Fame for mixers, the first gen 1604 has got to get in :>) Not one problem in 18 years.

    fd



    -----Original Message-----
    From: tony1 <atm655@verizon. net>
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:49 pm
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    
    Hey Fritz,
    I don't buy used for a lot of reasons.
    Former AES member too, so no stranger to this stuff.
    Out of practice sure, but my ears still spot on tunings etc, as I was the synth tech for a major store here and drew clients from all over the Tampa/St. Pete/Clearwater area (over 3 million folks).
    I like the Mackie stuff and am 90% sure they make a 48 channel board, plus I still have my "ins" from those days locally.
    I remember the unvieling of the Solid State Logic board at the 1979 AES convention in Los Angeles. What a piece of gear as well as the Neve!
    Going to have a look at Toft stuff in a few.
    Thanks for your suggestions, I'll let you know what I end up with.
    Best,
    Tony
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 4:25 PM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Be very wary of buying anything used unless you have a good tech and know what to look for. If you are looking for something used, see if you can get it in your set up for a while.

    Gonna be tough finding something that's over 32 channels that isn't geared more for live unless you've got some bucks to spend.

    Please stay away from digital mixers. Yes, they're convenient but sound like shit.

    Old Mackie 8-buss mixers still sound nice and you can probably find a side car for them. Mackie Digital 8-buss are absolute nightmares.

    New stuff? I'm liking the Chinese made Toft ATB series. They all have a monitor section so a 32 channel board can net you 64 discrete inputs. They sound very nice too for the money.

    SSL AWS 900 kicks sublime ass but it's pricey. It would be my desert island desk. We have one at work...maybe they won't miss it :>)

    fd



    -----Original Message-----
    From: tony1 <atm655@verizon. net>
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:03 pm
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Speaking for myself, I find something interesting in about every musical instrument around.
    I need a larger mixer (40+ chan) and I would appreciate an honest reccomendation fellas!
    Thanks in advance,
    Tony
    Neve is a bit out of my reach lol.
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:53 PM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Nah, I doubt this will make a difference to the "Chamberlin" market. If you ever had one or ever played one you'd know.
    Chamberlin sounds in a Mellotron do not sound the same as a real Chamberlin - just as the M400 violins do not sound identical to the MK II violins, nor do M300 sounds or MK II sounds sound like a real MK II or M300 if they're coming from an M400.
    This is my experience playing multiple Chamberlins and Mellotrons over the last 20 years. They're all unique and different.
    If you really spend time closely listening to all these instruments you can tell.
    Most people can't because they only use 1 machine at best. No A and B comparison can be made.
    This new digital version is for a different market anyway.
    I imagine Markus will continue to build the MK 6 alongside this digital tron, just as Streetly will continue with the M4000.
    And rightfully so.
    Anyone wanting authenticity and a product of real quality will buy an original tape version.
    Anyone wanting the sounds and feel with digital high quality will buy an authorized "tribute version"
    There's room for both.
    On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mattias Olsson <Mattias.olsson5@ comhem.se> wrote:
    Buying a Chamberlin M1 for 7000 dollars wont really make as much sense anymore...
    But keep it a secret...
    // Mattias
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:39 PM
    Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    If true, Memotron is done for. Markus will hit a home run if pricing is that low.

    From: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of djacques@csulb. edu
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:32 PM
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Its a lot lower than that.
    Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
    From: "Tron400" <kornowicz@cox. net>
    Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000
    Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report



    I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.

    Bernie

    --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, lsf5275@... wrote:
    >
    > I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900. 00
    >






    Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-16 by ClayE

    Tony:
    You should try this new thing called google. It's really cool!
    http://www.mellotron.com/digital-mellotron.html

    Show quoted textHide quoted text
    --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tony1" <atm655@...> wrote:
    >
    > Then I presume the units are similiar to the size of a Memotron?
    > I'd sure like to see some pictures of it!
    >
    > Best,
    > Tony
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: David Jacques
    > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 5:11 PM
    > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    >
    >
    >
    > Markus has it set up on top of his Mellotron Mark V, and you cannot tell the difference in sound.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > On Jan 16, 2010, at 2:02 PM, fdoddy@... wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > 
    > Fritz where did you see pics of the digital unit?
    > I agree with you about lacking the "magic" of the real deal.
    > Digital control I like, but not for sound generation.
    >
    > Best,
    > Tony
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: fdoddy@...
    > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 9:30 AM
    > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    >
    >
    >
    > Nice sounding mic pre's on the onyx series.
    >
    > Digital tron? I dunno...It's pretty. Somedays my tron just doesn't want to sound good or in tune on a track, so I just do something else because it wasn't meant to be. The days it wants to play nicely, it's magic. I imagine the digital tron will sound just fine everyday but I anticipate there won't be any magic for me.
    >
    > fd
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: tony1 <atm655@...>
    > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    > Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:04 pm
    > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    >
    >
    >
    > 
    > Agreed I have a small Mackie for my practice room and I like the little sucker.
    > Their Oynx 80 looks good to me.
    > That ought to piss the neighbors off.
    >
    > Have a great weekend and thanks for your valued input (no pun).
    >
    > Best,
    > Tony
    >
    > PS what do you think of this digital Mellotron?
    > I'm wating for M5000 #2.
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: fdoddy@...
    > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:36 PM
    > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    >
    >
    >
    > Glad to help. We still have one of the first Mackie 8-buss mixers delivered to NY. It has the shit beat out of it and it still sounds fine. I have a first gen 1604 ganged to a 1604 VLZ. That's what I tracked and mixed my record on. Can't kill those Mackie boards. If there is a Hall of Fame for mixers, the first gen 1604 has got to get in :>) Not one problem in 18 years.
    >
    > fd
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: tony1 <atm655@...>
    > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    > Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:49 pm
    > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    >
    >
    >
    > 
    > Hey Fritz,
    >
    > I don't buy used for a lot of reasons.
    > Former AES member too, so no stranger to this stuff.
    > Out of practice sure, but my ears still spot on tunings etc, as I was the synth tech for a major store here and drew clients from all over the Tampa/St. Pete/Clearwater area (over 3 million folks).
    > I like the Mackie stuff and am 90% sure they make a 48 channel board, plus I still have my "ins" from those days locally.
    > I remember the unvieling of the Solid State Logic board at the 1979 AES convention in Los Angeles. What a piece of gear as well as the Neve!
    > Going to have a look at Toft stuff in a few.
    >
    > Thanks for your suggestions, I'll let you know what I end up with.
    >
    > Best,
    > Tony
    >
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: fdoddy@...
    > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 4:25 PM
    > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    >
    >
    >
    > Be very wary of buying anything used unless you have a good tech and know what to look for. If you are looking for something used, see if you can get it in your set up for a while.
    >
    > Gonna be tough finding something that's over 32 channels that isn't geared more for live unless you've got some bucks to spend.
    >
    > Please stay away from digital mixers. Yes, they're convenient but sound like shit.
    >
    > Old Mackie 8-buss mixers still sound nice and you can probably find a side car for them. Mackie Digital 8-buss are absolute nightmares.
    >
    > New stuff? I'm liking the Chinese made Toft ATB series. They all have a monitor section so a 32 channel board can net you 64 discrete inputs. They sound very nice too for the money.
    >
    > SSL AWS 900 kicks sublime ass but it's pricey. It would be my desert island desk. We have one at work...maybe they won't miss it :>)
    >
    > fd
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: tony1 <atm655@...>
    > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    > Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:03 pm
    > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    >
    >
    >
    > Speaking for myself, I find something interesting in about every musical instrument around.
    > I need a larger mixer (40+ chan) and I would appreciate an honest reccomendation fellas!
    > Thanks in advance,
    >
    > Tony
    > Neve is a bit out of my reach lol.
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: Chris Dale
    > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:53 PM
    > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Nah, I doubt this will make a difference to the "Chamberlin" market. If you ever had one or ever played one you'd know.
    >
    >
    > Chamberlin sounds in a Mellotron do not sound the same as a real Chamberlin - just as the M400 violins do not sound identical to the MK II violins, nor do M300 sounds or MK II sounds sound like a real MK II or M300 if they're coming from an M400.
    >
    > This is my experience playing multiple Chamberlins and Mellotrons over the last 20 years. They're all unique and different.
    >
    > If you really spend time closely listening to all these instruments you can tell.
    >
    > Most people can't because they only use 1 machine at best. No A and B comparison can be made.
    >
    >
    > This new digital version is for a different market anyway.
    >
    > I imagine Markus will continue to build the MK 6 alongside this digital tron, just as Streetly will continue with the M4000.
    >
    > And rightfully so.
    >
    > Anyone wanting authenticity and a product of real quality will buy an original tape version.
    >
    > Anyone wanting the sounds and feel with digital high quality will buy an authorized "tribute version"
    >
    > There's room for both.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mattias Olsson <Mattias.olsson5@...> wrote:
    >
    >
    > Buying a Chamberlin M1 for 7000 dollars wont really make as much sense anymore...
    >
    > But keep it a secret...
    >
    > // Mattias
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: John Wright
    > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:39 PM
    > Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    >
    >
    >
    > If true, Memotron is done for. Markus will hit a home run if pricing is that low.
    >
    >
    >
    > ----------------------------------------------------------------
    > From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of djacques@...
    > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:32 PM
    > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    >
    >
    >
    > Its a lot lower than that.
    > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
    >
    > ----------------------------------------------------------------
    >
    > From: "Tron400" <kornowicz@...>
    > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000
    > To: <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
    > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.
    >
    > Bernie
    >
    > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@ wrote:
    > >
    > > I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900.00
    > >
    >

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-16 by tony1

    Yep I'm familiar with it.
    Just overlooked using it, my mistake.
    I looks like it means business.
    Tony
    Show quoted textHide quoted text
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: ClayE
    Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 6:42 PM
    Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Tony:
    You should try this new thing called google. It's really cool!
    http://www.mellotro n.com/digital- mellotron. html

    --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, "tony1" <atm655@...> wrote:
    >
    > Then I presume the units are similiar to the size of a Memotron?
    > I'd sure like to see some pictures of it!
    >
    > Best,
    > Tony
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: David Jacques
    > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 5:11 PM
    > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    >
    >
    >
    > Markus has it set up on top of his Mellotron Mark V, and you cannot tell the difference in sound.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > On Jan 16, 2010, at 2:02 PM, fdoddy@... wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > 
    > Fritz where did you see pics of the digital unit?
    > I agree with you about lacking the "magic" of the real deal.
    > Digital control I like, but not for sound generation.
    >
    > Best,
    > Tony
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: fdoddy@...
    > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 9:30 AM
    > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    >
    >
    >
    > Nice sounding mic pre's on the onyx series.
    >
    > Digital tron? I dunno...It's pretty. Somedays my tron just doesn't want to sound good or in tune on a track, so I just do something else because it wasn't meant to be. The days it wants to play nicely, it's magic. I imagine the digital tron will sound just fine everyday but I anticipate there won't be any magic for me.
    >
    > fd
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: tony1 <atm655@...>
    > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    > Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:04 pm
    > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    >
    >
    >
    > 
    > Agreed I have a small Mackie for my practice room and I like the little sucker.
    > Their Oynx 80 looks good to me.
    > That ought to piss the neighbors off.
    >
    > Have a great weekend and thanks for your valued input (no pun).
    >
    > Best,
    > Tony
    >
    > PS what do you think of this digital Mellotron?
    > I'm wating for M5000 #2.
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: fdoddy@...
    > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:36 PM
    > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    >
    >
    >
    > Glad to help. We still have one of the first Mackie 8-buss mixers delivered to NY. It has the shit beat out of it and it still sounds fine. I have a first gen 1604 ganged to a 1604 VLZ. That's what I tracked and mixed my record on. Can't kill those Mackie boards. If there is a Hall of Fame for mixers, the first gen 1604 has got to get in :>) Not one problem in 18 years.
    >
    > fd
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: tony1 <atm655@...>
    > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    > Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:49 pm
    > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    >
    >
    >
    > 
    > Hey Fritz,
    >
    > I don't buy used for a lot of reasons.
    > Former AES member too, so no stranger to this stuff.
    > Out of practice sure, but my ears still spot on tunings etc, as I was the synth tech for a major store here and drew clients from all over the Tampa/St. Pete/Clearwater area (over 3 million folks).
    > I like the Mackie stuff and am 90% sure they make a 48 channel board, plus I still have my "ins" from those days locally.
    > I remember the unvieling of the Solid State Logic board at the 1979 AES convention in Los Angeles. What a piece of gear as well as the Neve!
    > Going to have a look at Toft stuff in a few.
    >
    > Thanks for your suggestions, I'll let you know what I end up with.
    >
    > Best,
    > Tony
    >
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: fdoddy@...
    > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 4:25 PM
    > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    >
    >
    >
    > Be very wary of buying anything used unless you have a good tech and know what to look for. If you are looking for something used, see if you can get it in your set up for a while.
    >
    > Gonna be tough finding something that's over 32 channels that isn't geared more for live unless you've got some bucks to spend.
    >
    > Please stay away from digital mixers. Yes, they're convenient but sound like shit.
    >
    > Old Mackie 8-buss mixers still sound nice and you can probably find a side car for them. Mackie Digital 8-buss are absolute nightmares.
    >
    > New stuff? I'm liking the Chinese made Toft ATB series. They all have a monitor section so a 32 channel board can net you 64 discrete inputs. They sound very nice too for the money.
    >
    > SSL AWS 900 kicks sublime ass but it's pricey. It would be my desert island desk. We have one at work...maybe they won't miss it :>)
    >
    > fd
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: tony1 <atm655@...>
    > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    > Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:03 pm
    > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    >
    >
    >
    > Speaking for myself, I find something interesting in about every musical instrument around.
    > I need a larger mixer (40+ chan) and I would appreciate an honest reccomendation fellas!
    > Thanks in advance,
    >
    > Tony
    > Neve is a bit out of my reach lol.
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: Chris Dale
    > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:53 PM
    > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Nah, I doubt this will make a difference to the "Chamberlin" market. If you ever had one or ever played one you'd know.
    >
    >
    > Chamberlin sounds in a Mellotron do not sound the same as a real Chamberlin - just as the M400 violins do not sound identical to the MK II violins, nor do M300 sounds or MK II sounds sound like a real MK II or M300 if they're coming from an M400.
    >
    > This is my experience playing multiple Chamberlins and Mellotrons over the last 20 years. They're all unique and different.
    >
    > If you really spend time closely listening to all these instruments you can tell.
    >
    > Most people can't because they only use 1 machine at best. No A and B comparison can be made.
    >
    >
    > This new digital version is for a different market anyway.
    >
    > I imagine Markus will continue to build the MK 6 alongside this digital tron, just as Streetly will continue with the M4000.
    >
    > And rightfully so.
    >
    > Anyone wanting authenticity and a product of real quality will buy an original tape version.
    >
    > Anyone wanting the sounds and feel with digital high quality will buy an authorized "tribute version"
    >
    > There's room for both.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mattias Olsson <Mattias.olsson5@ ...> wrote:
    >
    >
    > Buying a Chamberlin M1 for 7000 dollars wont really make as much sense anymore...
    >
    > But keep it a secret...
    >
    > // Mattias
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: John Wright
    > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:39 PM
    > Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    >
    >
    >
    > If true, Memotron is done for. Markus will hit a home run if pricing is that low.
    >
    >
    >
    > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
    > From: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of djacques@...
    > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:32 PM
    > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    >
    >
    >
    > Its a lot lower than that.
    > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
    >
    > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
    >
    > From: "Tron400" <kornowicz@. ..>
    > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000
    > To: <newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com>
    > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.
    >
    > Bernie
    >
    > --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, lsf5275@ wrote:
    > >
    > > I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900. 00
    > >
    >

    Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-16 by markpringnz

    Just looked at the photo again, apologies if this has already been pointed out but the digital mellotron in the picture starts on F and my M400 starts on G. What's going on? Is the photo "faked" or is it just going to have 2 redundant keys to look nice?

    Show quoted textHide quoted text
    --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tony1" <atm655@...> wrote:
    >
    > Yep I'm familiar with it.
    > Just overlooked using it, my mistake.
    > I looks like it means business.
    > Tony
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: ClayE
    > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 6:42 PM
    > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    >
    >
    >
    > Tony:
    > You should try this new thing called google. It's really cool!
    > http://www.mellotron.com/digital-mellotron.html
    >
    > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tony1" <atm655@> wrote:
    > >
    > > Then I presume the units are similiar to the size of a Memotron?
    > > I'd sure like to see some pictures of it!
    > >
    > > Best,
    > > Tony
    > >
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: David Jacques
    > > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    > > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 5:11 PM
    > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Markus has it set up on top of his Mellotron Mark V, and you cannot tell the difference in sound.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > On Jan 16, 2010, at 2:02 PM, fdoddy@ wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > 
    > > Fritz where did you see pics of the digital unit?
    > > I agree with you about lacking the "magic" of the real deal.
    > > Digital control I like, but not for sound generation.
    > >
    > > Best,
    > > Tony
    > >
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: fdoddy@
    > > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    > > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 9:30 AM
    > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Nice sounding mic pre's on the onyx series.
    > >
    > > Digital tron? I dunno...It's pretty. Somedays my tron just doesn't want to sound good or in tune on a track, so I just do something else because it wasn't meant to be. The days it wants to play nicely, it's magic. I imagine the digital tron will sound just fine everyday but I anticipate there won't be any magic for me.
    > >
    > > fd
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > -----Original Message-----
    > > From: tony1 <atm655@>
    > > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    > > Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:04 pm
    > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > 
    > > Agreed I have a small Mackie for my practice room and I like the little sucker.
    > > Their Oynx 80 looks good to me.
    > > That ought to piss the neighbors off.
    > >
    > > Have a great weekend and thanks for your valued input (no pun).
    > >
    > > Best,
    > > Tony
    > >
    > > PS what do you think of this digital Mellotron?
    > > I'm wating for M5000 #2.
    > >
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: fdoddy@
    > > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    > > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:36 PM
    > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Glad to help. We still have one of the first Mackie 8-buss mixers delivered to NY. It has the shit beat out of it and it still sounds fine. I have a first gen 1604 ganged to a 1604 VLZ. That's what I tracked and mixed my record on. Can't kill those Mackie boards. If there is a Hall of Fame for mixers, the first gen 1604 has got to get in :>) Not one problem in 18 years.
    > >
    > > fd
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > -----Original Message-----
    > > From: tony1 <atm655@>
    > > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    > > Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:49 pm
    > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > 
    > > Hey Fritz,
    > >
    > > I don't buy used for a lot of reasons.
    > > Former AES member too, so no stranger to this stuff.
    > > Out of practice sure, but my ears still spot on tunings etc, as I was the synth tech for a major store here and drew clients from all over the Tampa/St. Pete/Clearwater area (over 3 million folks).
    > > I like the Mackie stuff and am 90% sure they make a 48 channel board, plus I still have my "ins" from those days locally.
    > > I remember the unvieling of the Solid State Logic board at the 1979 AES convention in Los Angeles. What a piece of gear as well as the Neve!
    > > Going to have a look at Toft stuff in a few.
    > >
    > > Thanks for your suggestions, I'll let you know what I end up with.
    > >
    > > Best,
    > > Tony
    > >
    > >
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: fdoddy@
    > > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    > > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 4:25 PM
    > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Be very wary of buying anything used unless you have a good tech and know what to look for. If you are looking for something used, see if you can get it in your set up for a while.
    > >
    > > Gonna be tough finding something that's over 32 channels that isn't geared more for live unless you've got some bucks to spend.
    > >
    > > Please stay away from digital mixers. Yes, they're convenient but sound like shit.
    > >
    > > Old Mackie 8-buss mixers still sound nice and you can probably find a side car for them. Mackie Digital 8-buss are absolute nightmares.
    > >
    > > New stuff? I'm liking the Chinese made Toft ATB series. They all have a monitor section so a 32 channel board can net you 64 discrete inputs. They sound very nice too for the money.
    > >
    > > SSL AWS 900 kicks sublime ass but it's pricey. It would be my desert island desk. We have one at work...maybe they won't miss it :>)
    > >
    > > fd
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > -----Original Message-----
    > > From: tony1 <atm655@>
    > > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    > > Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:03 pm
    > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Speaking for myself, I find something interesting in about every musical instrument around.
    > > I need a larger mixer (40+ chan) and I would appreciate an honest reccomendation fellas!
    > > Thanks in advance,
    > >
    > > Tony
    > > Neve is a bit out of my reach lol.
    > >
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: Chris Dale
    > > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    > > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:53 PM
    > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Nah, I doubt this will make a difference to the "Chamberlin" market. If you ever had one or ever played one you'd know.
    > >
    > >
    > > Chamberlin sounds in a Mellotron do not sound the same as a real Chamberlin - just as the M400 violins do not sound identical to the MK II violins, nor do M300 sounds or MK II sounds sound like a real MK II or M300 if they're coming from an M400.
    > >
    > > This is my experience playing multiple Chamberlins and Mellotrons over the last 20 years. They're all unique and different.
    > >
    > > If you really spend time closely listening to all these instruments you can tell.
    > >
    > > Most people can't because they only use 1 machine at best. No A and B comparison can be made.
    > >
    > >
    > > This new digital version is for a different market anyway.
    > >
    > > I imagine Markus will continue to build the MK 6 alongside this digital tron, just as Streetly will continue with the M4000.
    > >
    > > And rightfully so.
    > >
    > > Anyone wanting authenticity and a product of real quality will buy an original tape version.
    > >
    > > Anyone wanting the sounds and feel with digital high quality will buy an authorized "tribute version"
    > >
    > > There's room for both.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mattias Olsson <Mattias.olsson5@> wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > > Buying a Chamberlin M1 for 7000 dollars wont really make as much sense anymore...
    > >
    > > But keep it a secret...
    > >
    > > // Mattias
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: John Wright
    > > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    > > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:39 PM
    > > Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > If true, Memotron is done for. Markus will hit a home run if pricing is that low.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > ----------------------------------------------------------
    > > From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of djacques@
    > > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:32 PM
    > > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Its a lot lower than that.
    > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
    > >
    > > ----------------------------------------------------------
    > >
    > > From: "Tron400" <kornowicz@>
    > > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000
    > > To: <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
    > > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.
    > >
    > > Bernie
    > >
    > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@ wrote:
    > > >
    > > > I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900.00
    > > >
    > >
    >

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-17 by MAinPsych@aol.com

    In a message dated 1/16/2010 2:11:56 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, djacques@csulb.edu writes:
    Markus has it set up on top of his Mellotron Mark V, and you cannot tell the difference in sound.
    My 2 pence worth: Putting aside all the theorizing, at NAMM, David and I did direct A-B comparisons between the digitial Mellotron and a MkVI. I would defy anyone to tell the difference in sound (no one could), even in the feel of the keyboard (the difference there is very slight). At $1800. and 41 pounds with 100 sounds and (BTW) parameter control, it's one hell of a machine.

    Frank1

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-17 by MAinPsych@aol.com

    In a message dated 1/16/2010 3:32:59 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, atm655@verizon.net writes:
    Then I presume the units are similiar to the size of a Memotron?
    I'd sure like to see some pictures of it!
    Best,
    Tony
    Ask and ye shall receive...

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-17 by David Jacques

    No, you do get those extra keys... I asked Markus about it and he said that he did this because the Optigon has these keys. So he has stretched the tron and chamberlin samples to use these keys as well.


    On Jan 16, 2010, at 3:59 PM, markpringnz wrote:

    Show quoted textHide quoted text

    Just looked at the photo again, apologies if this has already been pointed out but the digital mellotron in the picture starts on F and my M400 starts on G. What's going on? Is the photo "faked" or is it just going to have 2 redundant keys to look nice?

    --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, "tony1" <atm655@...> wrote:
    >
    > Yep I'm familiar with it.
    > Just overlooked using it, my mistake.
    > I looks like it means business.
    > Tony
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: ClayE
    > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 6:42 PM
    > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    >
    >
    >
    > Tony:
    > You should try this new thing called google. It's really cool!
    > http://www.mellotro n.com/digital- mellotron. html
    >
    > --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, "tony1" <atm655@> wrote:
    > >
    > > Then I presume the units are similiar to the size of a Memotron?
    > > I'd sure like to see some pictures of it!
    > >
    > > Best,
    > > Tony
    > >
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: David Jacques
    > > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    > > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 5:11 PM
    > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Markus has it set up on top of his Mellotron Mark V, and you cannot tell the difference in sound.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > On Jan 16, 2010, at 2:02 PM, fdoddy@ wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > 
    > > Fritz where did you see pics of the digital unit?
    > > I agree with you about lacking the "magic" of the real deal.
    > > Digital control I like, but not for sound generation.
    > >
    > > Best,
    > > Tony
    > >
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: fdoddy@
    > > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    > > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 9:30 AM
    > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Nice sounding mic pre's on the onyx series.
    > >
    > > Digital tron? I dunno...It's pretty. Somedays my tron just doesn't want to sound good or in tune on a track, so I just do something else because it wasn't meant to be. The days it wants to play nicely, it's magic. I imagine the digital tron will sound just fine everyday but I anticipate there won't be any magic for me.
    > >
    > > fd
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > -----Original Message-----
    > > From: tony1 <atm655@>
    > > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    > > Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:04 pm
    > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > 
    > > Agreed I have a small Mackie for my practice room and I like the little sucker.
    > > Their Oynx 80 looks good to me.
    > > That ought to piss the neighbors off.
    > >
    > > Have a great weekend and thanks for your valued input (no pun).
    > >
    > > Best,
    > > Tony
    > >
    > > PS what do you think of this digital Mellotron?
    > > I'm wating for M5000 #2.
    > >
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: fdoddy@
    > > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    > > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:36 PM
    > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Glad to help. We still have one of the first Mackie 8-buss mixers delivered to NY. It has the shit beat out of it and it still sounds fine. I have a first gen 1604 ganged to a 1604 VLZ. That's what I tracked and mixed my record on. Can't kill those Mackie boards. If there is a Hall of Fame for mixers, the first gen 1604 has got to get in :>) Not one problem in 18 years.
    > >
    > > fd
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > -----Original Message-----
    > > From: tony1 <atm655@>
    > > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    > > Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:49 pm
    > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > 
    > > Hey Fritz,
    > >
    > > I don't buy used for a lot of reasons.
    > > Former AES member too, so no stranger to this stuff.
    > > Out of practice sure, but my ears still spot on tunings etc, as I was the synth tech for a major store here and drew clients from all over the Tampa/St. Pete/Clearwater area (over 3 million folks).
    > > I like the Mackie stuff and am 90% sure they make a 48 channel board, plus I still have my "ins" from those days locally.
    > > I remember the unvieling of the Solid State Logic board at the 1979 AES convention in Los Angeles. What a piece of gear as well as the Neve!
    > > Going to have a look at Toft stuff in a few.
    > >
    > > Thanks for your suggestions, I'll let you know what I end up with.
    > >
    > > Best,
    > > Tony
    > >
    > >
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: fdoddy@
    > > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    > > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 4:25 PM
    > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Be very wary of buying anything used unless you have a good tech and know what to look for. If you are looking for something used, see if you can get it in your set up for a while.
    > >
    > > Gonna be tough finding something that's over 32 channels that isn't geared more for live unless you've got some bucks to spend.
    > >
    > > Please stay away from digital mixers. Yes, they're convenient but sound like shit.
    > >
    > > Old Mackie 8-buss mixers still sound nice and you can probably find a side car for them. Mackie Digital 8-buss are absolute nightmares.
    > >
    > > New stuff? I'm liking the Chinese made Toft ATB series. They all have a monitor section so a 32 channel board can net you 64 discrete inputs. They sound very nice too for the money.
    > >
    > > SSL AWS 900 kicks sublime ass but it's pricey. It would be my desert island desk. We have one at work...maybe they won't miss it :>)
    > >
    > > fd
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > -----Original Message-----
    > > From: tony1 <atm655@>
    > > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    > > Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:03 pm
    > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Speaking for myself, I find something interesting in about every musical instrument around.
    > > I need a larger mixer (40+ chan) and I would appreciate an honest reccomendation fellas!
    > > Thanks in advance,
    > >
    > > Tony
    > > Neve is a bit out of my reach lol.
    > >
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: Chris Dale
    > > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    > > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:53 PM
    > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Nah, I doubt this will make a difference to the "Chamberlin" market. If you ever had one or ever played one you'd know.
    > >
    > >
    > > Chamberlin sounds in a Mellotron do not sound the same as a real Chamberlin - just as the M400 violins do not sound identical to the MK II violins, nor do M300 sounds or MK II sounds sound like a real MK II or M300 if they're coming from an M400.
    > >
    > > This is my experience playing multiple Chamberlins and Mellotrons over the last 20 years. They're all unique and different.
    > >
    > > If you really spend time closely listening to all these instruments you can tell.
    > >
    > > Most people can't because they only use 1 machine at best. No A and B comparison can be made.
    > >
    > >
    > > This new digital version is for a different market anyway.
    > >
    > > I imagine Markus will continue to build the MK 6 alongside this digital tron, just as Streetly will continue with the M4000.
    > >
    > > And rightfully so.
    > >
    > > Anyone wanting authenticity and a product of real quality will buy an original tape version.
    > >
    > > Anyone wanting the sounds and feel with digital high quality will buy an authorized "tribute version"
    > >
    > > There's room for both.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mattias Olsson <Mattias.olsson5@ > wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > > Buying a Chamberlin M1 for 7000 dollars wont really make as much sense anymore...
    > >
    > > But keep it a secret...
    > >
    > > // Mattias
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: John Wright
    > > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    > > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:39 PM
    > > Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > If true, Memotron is done for. Markus will hit a home run if pricing is that low.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
    > > From: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of djacques@
    > > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:32 PM
    > > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Its a lot lower than that.
    > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
    > >
    > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
    > >
    > > From: "Tron400" <kornowicz@>
    > > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000
    > > To: <newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com>
    > > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.
    > >
    > > Bernie
    > >
    > > --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, lsf5275@ wrote:
    > > >
    > > > I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900. 00
    > > >
    > >
    >

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-17 by MAinPsych@aol.com

    In a message dated 1/16/2010 3:59:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, markpringnz@yahoo.com writes:
    Just looked at the photo again, apologies if this has already been pointed out but the digital mellotron in the picture starts on F and my M400 starts on G. What's going on? Is the photo "faked" or is it just going to have 2 redundant keys to look nice?
    Markus explained the extended lower keyboard range as follows: 1) to accommodate the range of Optigan sounds (no word regarding tron sounds); and 2) to have an even octave keyboard.

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-17 by lsf5275@aol.com

    Hey, where do get one of those?
    In a message dated 1/16/2010 5:01:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fdoddy@aol.com writes:
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    Or disappointment. Like that new sex robot that is now available for 7000 dollars.

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-17 by lsf5275@aol.com

    Be nice to Chis.
    In a message dated 1/16/2010 5:40:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ecclesreinson@rogers.com writes:
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    Are you on DRUGS Chris? If someone wanted to be adventurous live or in the studio using a new digital Mellotron, there is nothing holding them back.

    "only...a generic Mellotron atmosphere" <- WTF is that? You are suggesting that the new digital Mellotron will be a poor substitute for the real thing. That's just nonsense.

    Clay

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-17 by Richard Lowman

    --- On Sat, 1/16/10, MAinPsych@aol.com <MAinPsych@aol.com> wrote:
    Awwwww, she sure looks sweet too!
    'Might as well start saving up for one.... :)
    ===============================================================



    In a message dated 1/16/2010 3:32:59 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, atm655@verizon.net writes:
    Then I presume the units are similiar to the size of a Memotron?

    I'd sure like to see some pictures of it!
    Best,

    Tony
    Ask and ye shall receive...

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-17 by David Jacques

    I believe you can go to The Consumer Electronics show... Her name os "Roxxxy".. Here is the link:






    On Jan 16, 2010, at 5:33 PM, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:

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    Hey, where do get one of those?
    In a message dated 1/16/2010 5:01:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fdoddy@aol.com writes:
    Or disappointment. Like that new sex robot that is now available for 7000 dollars.

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-17 by David Jacques

    Love the line:

    "Sex only goes so far – then you want to be able to talk to the person,"


    On Jan 16, 2010, at 5:48 PM, David Jacques wrote:

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    I believe you can go to The Consumer Electronics show... Her name os "Roxxxy".. Here is the link:







    On Jan 16, 2010, at 5:33 PM, lsf5275@aol. com wrote:


    Hey, where do get one of those?
    In a message dated 1/16/2010 5:01:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fdoddy@aol.com writes:
    Or disappointment. Like that new sex robot that is now available for 7000 dollars.



    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-17 by lsf5275@aol.com

    Every man knows that that's wrong
    In a message dated 1/16/2010 8:51:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, djacques@csulb.edu writes:
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    Sex only goes so far – then you want to be able to talk to the person,"

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-17 by David Jacques

    Check out the video with "The Creator" Funny and sad at the same time...



    On Jan 16, 2010, at 5:53 PM, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:

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    I just want it to say, "Oh GODDDDD! YESSSSS!" Then I want it to say, "Turn on the game. I'll go make you a sandwwich."
    In a message dated 1/16/2010 8:48:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, djacques@csulb. edu writes:

    I believe you can go to The Consumer Electronics show... Her name os "Roxxxy".. Here is the link:




    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-17 by lsf5275@aol.com

    That's just fucking sad!
    Lonely, I'm Mr. Lonely,
    I have nobody to call my own
    So I made a robot,
    A sexy robot
    But one that cannot move,
    And can't say nooooooo.....
    In a message dated 1/16/2010 9:37:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, djacques@csulb.edu writes:
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    Check out the video with "The Creator" Funny and sad at the same time...




    On Jan 16, 2010, at 5:53 PM, lsf5275@aol. com wrote:


    I just want it to say, "Oh GODDDDD! YESSSSS!" Then I want it to say, "Turn on the game. I'll go make you a sandwwich."
    In a message dated 1/16/2010 8:48:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, djacques@csulb. edu writes:

    I believe you can go to The Consumer Electronics show... Her name os "Roxxxy".. Here is the link:





    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-17 by kinchmusic@aol.com

    Could have invested in some decent switchgear though. That On/Off switch looks very homemade.
    Andy K


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    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    In a message dated 1/16/2010 2:11:56 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, djacques@csulb. edu writes:
    Markus has it set up on top of his Mellotron Mark V, and you cannot tell the difference in sound.
    My 2 pence worth: Putting aside all the theorizing, at NAMM, David and I did direct A-B comparisons between the digitial Mellotron and a MkVI. I would defy anyone to tell the difference in sound (no one could), even in the feel of the keyboard (the difference there is very slight). At $1800. and 41 pounds with 100 sounds and (BTW) parameter control, it's one hell of a machine.

    Frank1

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-17 by Mattias Olsson

    
    Thats the dealbraker for me.

    Could have invested in some decent switchgear though. That On/Off switch looks very homemade.
    Andy K

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-17 by kinchmusic@aol.com

    Agreed, not the be all and end all. But it might be the difference between someone going for this or the Memotron. I know the Memotron only has 3 voices at a time, (sounds familiar).
    Andy K



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    From: Mattias Olsson <Mattias.olsson5@comhem.se>
    To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:05
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    
    Thats the dealbraker for me.
    Could have invested in some decent switchgear though. That On/Off switch looks very homemade.
    Andy K

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-17 by fdoddy@aol.com

    Yeah...I'm not convinced..no offense. My guess is that the nuanced differences will make themselves known over time unless Markus not only modeled the electrical components (not a real issues if he samples are from the machines) but modeled the pitch characteristics/envelope of each sound as the keys are struck at different velocities or has multiple sample layers per note. I often play my tron quite hard to get a percussive sound out of it... the beautiful chirp at the front of a note. My guess is that his machine doesn't trigger sounds based on velocity or trigger them in a round robin style. What about playing fast over a few notes where the tape doesn't have sufficient time to rewind before you retrigger any one particular note? I don't know, but these are just a few things I notice about my tron.

    That being said, I can imagine it sounding very nice and to that keyboardist who doesn't know the pain and joy of tron ownership, they wouldn't be aware of these nuances


    fd



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    From: David Jacques <djacques@csulb.edu>
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    Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 5:11 pm
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Markus has it set up on top of his Mellotron Mark V, and you cannot tell the difference in sound.


    On Jan 16, 2010, at 2:02 PM, fdoddy@aol.com wrote:



    
    Fritz where did you see pics of the digital unit?
    I agree with you about lacking the "magic" of the real deal.
    Digital control I like, but not for sound generation.
    Best,
    Tony
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 9:30 AM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Nice sounding mic pre's on the onyx series.

    Digital tron? I dunno...It's pretty. Somedays my tron just doesn't want to sound good or in tune on a track, so I just do something else because it wasn't meant to be. The days it wants to play nicely, it's magic. I imagine the digital tron will sound just fine everyday but I anticipate there won't be any magic for me.

    fd



    -----Original Message-----
    From: tony1 <atm655@verizon. net>
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 6:04 pm
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    
    Agreed I have a small Mackie for my practice room and I like the little sucker.
    Their Oynx 80 looks good to me.
    That ought to piss the neighbors off.
    Have a great weekend and thanks for your valued input (no pun).
    Best,
    Tony
    PS what do you think of this digital Mellotron?
    I'm wating for M5000 #2.
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:36 PM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Glad to help. We still have one of the first Mackie 8-buss mixers delivered to NY. It has the shit beat out of it and it still sounds fine. I have a first gen 1604 ganged to a 1604 VLZ. That's what I tracked and mixed my record on. Can't kill those Mackie boards. If there is a Hall of Fame for mixers, the first gen 1604 has got to get in :>) Not one problem in 18 years.

    fd



    -----Original Message-----
    From: tony1 <atm655@verizon. net>
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 4:49 pm
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    
    Hey Fritz,
    I don't buy used for a lot of reasons.
    Former AES member too, so no stranger to this stuff.
    Out of practice sure, but my ears still spot on tunings etc, as I was the synth tech for a major store here and drew clients from all over the Tampa/St. Pete/Clearwater area (over 3 million folks).
    I like the Mackie stuff and am 90% sure they make a 48 channel board, plus I still have my "ins" from those days locally.
    I remember the unvieling of the Solid State Logic board at the 1979 AES convention in Los Angeles. What a piece of gear as well as the Neve!
    Going to have a look at Toft stuff in a few.
    Thanks for your suggestions, I'll let you know what I end up with.
    Best,
    Tony
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 4:25 PM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Be very wary of buying anything used unless you have a good tech and know what to look for. If you are looking for something used, see if you can get it in your set up for a while.

    Gonna be tough finding something that's over 32 channels that isn't geared more for live unless you've got some bucks to spend.

    Please stay away from digital mixers. Yes, they're convenient but sound like shit.

    Old Mackie 8-buss mixers still sound nice and you can probably find a side car for them. Mackie Digital 8-buss are absolute nightmares.

    New stuff? I'm liking the Chinese made Toft ATB series. They all have a monitor section so a 32 channel board can net you 64 discrete inputs. They sound very nice too for the money.

    SSL AWS 900 kicks sublime ass but it's pricey. It would be my desert island desk. We have one at work...maybe they won't miss it :>)

    fd



    -----Original Message-----
    From: tony1 <atm655@verizon. net>
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 3:03 pm
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Speaking for myself, I find something interesting in about every musical instrument around.
    I need a larger mixer (40+ chan) and I would appreciate an honest reccomendation fellas!
    Thanks in advance,
    Tony
    Neve is a bit out of my reach lol.
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 2:53 PM
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Nah, I doubt this will make a difference to the "Chamberlin" market. If you ever had one or ever played one you'd know.
    Chamberlin sounds in a Mellotron do not sound the same as a real Chamberlin - just as the M400 violins do not sound identical to the MK II violins, nor do M300 sounds or MK II sounds sound like a real MK II or M300 if they're coming from an M400.
    This is my experience playing multiple Chamberlins and Mellotrons over the last 20 years. They're all unique and different.
    If you really spend time closely listening to all these instruments you can tell.
    Most people can't because they only use 1 machine at best. No A and B comparison can be made.
    This new digital version is for a different market anyway.
    I imagine Markus will continue to build the MK 6 alongside this digital tron, just as Streetly will continue with the M4000.
    And rightfully so.
    Anyone wanting authenticity and a product of real quality will buy an original tape version.
    Anyone wanting the sounds and feel with digital high quality will buy an authorized "tribute version"
    There's room for both.
    On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Mattias Olsson <Mattias.olsson5@ comhem.se> wrote:
    Buying a Chamberlin M1 for 7000 dollars wont really make as much sense anymore...
    But keep it a secret...
    // Mattias
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:39 PM
    Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    If true, Memotron is done for. Markus will hit a home run if pricing is that low.

    From: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of djacques@csulb. edu
    Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:32 PM
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Its a lot lower than that.
    Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
    From: "Tron400" <kornowicz@cox. net>
    Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0000
    Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report



    I'd be surprised if it was that cheap. Didn't someone post $2700? That seems more likely, but even that could be low.

    Bernie

    --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, lsf5275@... wrote:
    >
    > I think someone posted $1,600-$1,900. 00
    >



    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-17 by fdoddy@aol.com

    Yeah, I"m with Clay here. I think the amount of generic mellotron atmosphere in music of the 60's and 70's far outweighs the exceptional use of the machine. It's just a color, not a painting.


    fd



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    From: ClayE <ecclesreinson@rogers.com>
    To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 5:37 pm
    Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Are you on DRUGS Chris? If someone wanted to be adventurous live or in the studio using a new digital Mellotron, there is nothing holding them back.

    "only...a generic Mellotron atmosphere" <- WTF is that? You are suggesting that the new digital Mellotron will be a poor substitute for the real thing. That's just nonsense.

    Clay

    --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@ ...> wrote:
    > In general - these new digital trons are made with the contemporary music of the 90's and 2000's in mind - little or no adventurous Mellotron use. So I think if you only want a generic Mellotron atmosphere, these latest digital incarnations are fine.

    Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-17 by ClayE

    It looks like the same type of on/off switch found on most amplifiers (Vox, Fender, Orange, Hiwatt). My MK-VI has the same type of switch. It looks and feels like a switch to me. It makes a nice click sound. Not a mushy click or a spongy click, a nice snappy click.

    Show quoted textHide quoted text
    --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, kinchmusic@... wrote:
    >
    > Could have invested in some decent switchgear though. That On/Off switch looks very homemade.
    > Andy K
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: MAinPsych@...
    > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    > Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:20 am
    > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > In a message dated 1/16/2010 2:11:56 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, djacques@... writes:
    > Markus has it set up on top of his Mellotron Mark V, and you cannot tell the difference in sound.
    >
    >
    >
    > My 2 pence worth: Putting aside all the theorizing, at NAMM, David and I did direct A-B comparisons between the digitial Mellotron and a MkVI. I would defy anyone to tell the difference in sound (no one could), even in the feel of the keyboard (the difference there is very slight). At $1800. and 41 pounds with 100 sounds and (BTW) parameter control, it's one hell of a machine.
    >
    > Frank1
    >
    > In a message dated 1/16/2010 2:11:56 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, djacques@... writes:
    > Markus has it set up on top of his Mellotron Mark V, and you cannot tell the difference in sound.
    >
    >
    >
    > My 2 pence worth: Putting aside all the theorizing, at NAMM, David and I did direct A-B comparisons between the digitial Mellotron and a MkVI. I would defy anyone to tell the difference in sound (no one could), even in the feel of the keyboard (the difference there is very slight). At $1800. and 41 pounds with 100 sounds and (BTW) parameter control, it's one hell of a machine.
    >
    > Frank1
    >

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-17 by Thomas C. Doncourt

    I thought for a moment you guys were talking about an on/off switch on the
    sex robot. I had gathered that it was a very important feature. Phew!
    There is no oversampling on the Nordwave. In fact I am suspicious of the
    compression used although I did back to back listenings with it and full
    samples from the "Pinder" disk and couldn't hear a difference.

    Show quoted textHide quoted text
    > It looks like the same type of on/off switch found on most amplifiers
    > (Vox, Fender, Orange, Hiwatt). My MK-VI has the same type of switch. It
    > looks and feels like a switch to me. It makes a nice click sound. Not a
    > mushy click or a spongy click, a nice snappy click.
    >
    > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, kinchmusic@... wrote:
    >>
    >> Could have invested in some decent switchgear though. That On/Off switch
    >> looks very homemade.
    >> Andy K
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> -----Original Message-----
    >> From: MAinPsych@...
    >> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    >> Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2010 12:20 am
    >> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> In a message dated 1/16/2010 2:11:56 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
    >> djacques@... writes:
    >> Markus has it set up on top of his Mellotron Mark V, and you cannot tell
    >> the difference in sound.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> My 2 pence worth: Putting aside all the theorizing, at NAMM, David and
    >> I did direct A-B comparisons between the digitial Mellotron and a MkVI.
    >> I would defy anyone to tell the difference in sound (no one could), even
    >> in the feel of the keyboard (the difference there is very slight). At
    >> $1800. and 41 pounds with 100 sounds and (BTW) parameter control, it's
    >> one hell of a machine.
    >>
    >> Frank1
    >>
    >> In a message dated 1/16/2010 2:11:56 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
    >> djacques@... writes:
    >> Markus has it set up on top of his Mellotron Mark V, and you cannot tell
    >> the difference in sound.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> My 2 pence worth: Putting aside all the theorizing, at NAMM, David and
    >> I did direct A-B comparisons between the digitial Mellotron and a MkVI.
    >> I would defy anyone to tell the difference in sound (no one could), even
    >> in the feel of the keyboard (the difference there is very slight). At
    >> $1800. and 41 pounds with 100 sounds and (BTW) parameter control, it's
    >> one hell of a machine.
    >>
    >> Frank1
    >>
    >
    >
    >

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-18 by gino wong

    One look at the size of a Mellotron tape head and it is obvious that you can get full bandwidth with off the shelf conversion. You would have to build a preamp down to get the effect of the original recordings. The tapes have to have that "sound on the originals"

    I saw T Dream years ago during a sound check giving the sound system a real workout, I wasn't familiar with the sounds but they were not lofi.

    I would guess if we took Martins advice and got something rather than the usual in out tape racks we would be more trusting of our beloved machines fidelity.

    gw

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    On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 12:20 PM, <tronbros@aol.com> wrote:

    In a message dated 16/01/2010 16:33:53 GMT Standard Time, gabru@comsec.net writes:

    The point I was trying to make between the Grand Piano and Mellotron samples was that

    the frequency response and the velovity at which the string is struck is what makes the piano more difficult to sample than the playback of a

    string instrument (for example) that is played back through a very limited response system such as the Mellotron. However it is the lack

    of response that gives it it’s unique character and made the Mellotron the fascinating instrument it is.

    Actually the mellotron is capable of great frequency response. It's the old recordings that are mitigated. We have put fresh recordings through it and get up to 16k back. Not many people know that!
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    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-18 by Chris Dale

    I define 'adventurous use' as pushing a tape based instrument beyond what it's expected use might be, rather than just using it as a string pad - which is what you mostly get in the music of the last 20 years.
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    On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 5:37 PM, ClayE <ecclesreinson@rogers.com> wrote:

    Are you on DRUGS Chris? If someone wanted to be adventurous live or in the studio using a new digital Mellotron, there is nothing holding them back.

    "only...a generic Mellotron atmosphere" <- WTF is that? You are suggesting that the new digital Mellotron will be a poor substitute for the real thing. That's just nonsense.

    Clay


    --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@...> wrote:
    > In general - these new digital trons are made with the contemporary music of the 90's and 2000's in mind - little or no adventurous Mellotron use. So I think if you only want a generic Mellotron atmosphere, these latest digital incarnations are fine.


    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-18 by Chris Dale

    Agreed - good example.
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    On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Paul Watson <progrocker@xtra.co.nz> wrote:

    I think Tangerine Dream on Phaedra and Rubicon

    used it adventurously by tweaking the hell out

    of their trons.

    From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Dickson
    Sent: Sunday, 17 January 2010 12:32 PM


    To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    ClayE wrote:

    Are you on DRUGS Chris? If someone wanted to be adventurous live or in the studio using a new digital Mellotron, there is nothing holding them back.


    I'm struggling to think of many of the revered Prog Gods who used the Mellotron 'adventurously'. It's not a particularly 'adventurous' instrument. You can use it up front, play it melodically, harmonise all over the place, and certainly you can process the sound or do whatever else you like with it, but adventurous? You can dick about with synths adventurously because you can make them say what you want them to say, but a Mellotron string section is always going to sound like a cello, a viola and three violins, all vaguely out of tune and all sounding monolithic. Ninety nine percent of the people who have put hand to Tron have used it for block chords. Where is the adventure?

    It's still a welcome surprise to hear it at all. I heard it on the intro a fairly nondescript pop song a year or so ago while seated in the dentist's chair and exclaimed 'gucking gell!' as I was having my mouth seen to my an astonished dentist who thought she had accidentally probed through a raw nerve.



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    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-18 by Mike Dickson

    Errr....which parts. It all sounds pretty pedestrian to me. (Though I do like TD a lot...their invention was with their synth and sequencer use)

    Chris Dale wrote:
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    Agreed - good example.
    On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Paul Watson <progrocker@xtra. co.nz> wrote:

    I think Tangerine Dream on Phaedra and Rubicon

    used it adventurously by tweaking the hell out

    of their trons.




    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-19 by lsf5275@aol.com

    So If I use my Mellotron as a giant paper weight I'm, "adventurous?" Or suppose someone were to push their Mellotron beyond the top step of the second flight leading up to their apartment and it took out that annoying Mrs. Bainbridge who lives across the hall and was on her way home from shopping. Would that be "adventurous?"
    In a message dated 1/18/2010 4:08:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com writes:
    Show quoted textHide quoted text
    I define 'adventurous use' as pushing a tape based instrument beyond what it's expected use might be, rather than just using it as a string pad - which is what you mostly get in the music of the last 20 years.

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-19 by Chris Dale

    Thanks Frank.
    Yeah Clay - there's no need to sound like a "Molson" Canadian.
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    On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 8:34 PM, <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:

    Be nice to Chis.
    In a message dated 1/16/2010 5:40:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ecclesreinson@rogers.com writes:
    Are you on DRUGS Chris? If someone wanted to be adventurous live or in the studio using a new digital Mellotron, there is nothing holding them back.

    "only...a generic Mellotron atmosphere" <- WTF is that? You are suggesting that the new digital Mellotron will be a poor substitute for the real thing. That's just nonsense.

    Clay


    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-19 by Chris Dale

    It could be but here are some better examples:
    Half speed Brass on Have You Heard followed by MK II motor noise at the album end (1969)
    Pitch increase from the motor controller (not control panel) in the middle of Battle Of Glass Tears (1971)
    Tension backed off pitch roller for detuned wobbly Brass sound in Talking Drum intro (1974)
    High Speed on motor controller in "Ritual" (1973)
    Slowing a Chamberlin flywheel for slide guitar sounds (1989)
    or how about just playing a chord with one finger lighter than the rest so the treble response is weaker as a harmonic?
    Where is this type of experimentation with a Mellotron in a commercially released recording in the last 20 years?
    Tell me - I'd like to hear it. But chances are I won't because it's largely samples being used.
    And since this experimentaton is absent, then perhaps the digital trons are not made with doing this in mind. Perhaps they're manufactured with the idea of playing pads only.


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    On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 9:09 PM, <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:

    So If I use my Mellotron as a giant paper weight I'm, "adventurous?" Or suppose someone were to push their Mellotron beyond the top step of the second flight leading up to their apartment and it took out that annoying Mrs. Bainbridge who lives across the hall and was on her way home from shopping. Would that be "adventurous?"
    In a message dated 1/18/2010 4:08:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com writes:
    I define 'adventurous use' as pushing a tape based instrument beyond what it's expected use might be, rather than just using it as a string pad - which is what you mostly get in the music of the last 20 years.


    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-19 by Mike Dickson

    Chris Dale wrote:

    Pitch increase from the motor controller (not control panel) in the middle of Battle Of Glass Tears (1971)

    It sounds daft!

    Tension backed off pitch roller for detuned wobbly Brass sound in Talking Drum intro (1974)

    That's not a Mellotron. That's a tube with weird kind of bag attached to it that Fripp whirled about his head in the studio. Sid Smith's book has a photo of it.





    Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-20 by ClayE

    Medeski Martin & Wood ! A very good example. Thanks Norm.

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    --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, NormLeete@... wrote:
    >
    >
    > In a message dated 18/01/2010 21:08:06 GMT Standard Time,
    > unobtainiumkeys@... writes:
    >
    > I define 'adventurous use' as pushing a tape based instrument beyond what
    > it's expected use might be,
    >
    >
    > _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-e2sTyzCHc_
    > (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-e2sTyzCHc) - some flywheel wrestling...
    >

    Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-20 by Sean

    Now that I've the time to show back up here, this digital Melly certainly has my attention.

    I've certainly experienced a lot of frustration with M-Tron, though lots of enjoyment too. I get the sound for cheap, however I get some dodgy bits too. I hate that varying the pitch control gives me digital quantization noise: it's a sample so even the random noise is pitchbent which ends up sounding like garbly ass. I'd assume on a real Melly the random noise is consistent while the tape noise would bend.

    It seems that most all the M-Tron sounds (with exceptions like the cello) have much poorer signal to noise ratio than the real deal. I don't recall the Moodies or Crimson Mellotrons sounding hissy in unflattering ways. Mr. Dickson's recordings certainly don't sound that way.

    The wow and flutter, and tape droupouts are in the same spot every time, of course.

    And I don't have a convenient half-speed switch. I would if I upgrade to the "pro" version, but that's low on my limited money list. (Still in college, 1 more semester)

    It's also awkward to have the sounds start from the beginning of the tape every time I so much as slip. That would have been easy to have a little counter upon release of the note to know where the imaginary tape would be during the short rewind. Though, I've never played the real deal, maybe this is, well, not that big of a deal.

    And I can't get the samples to "spit" if that is what I want. They're all so polite.

    So I'm interested in this digital Melly because I'll get all the sounds in one unit, and only spend 1-2K on the thing as opposed to 7K for a MkVI (and only 3 sounds at a time) or 12K for the M4000. (It's 12K right?)

    However it wouldn't be so cool for my own fascination with the things. I still want the tapes, even if that unit sits in my living room and the digital version goes gigging.

    Perhaps what I should really be looking at is, over this next decade, saving and purchasing a digital one and a M4000? I'd ask that the M4000 get a half-speed switch.

    Not that even having the real deal will help me figure out how to treat the signal to get those classic sounds.

    Has anyone else figured out how to coax pleasant sounds out of M-Tron? Squonk06 on Youtube has some good stuff, but it doesn't seem to do it entirely. The hardest to nail is the classic MkII violins and M400 violins. My adventures working on my last recording were frustrating, no matter what I didn't the violins didn't have classic atmosphere, and I couldn't get rid of the jaggy 12kHz+ noise without deadening the sound and putting the Melly further in the background than I wanted.


    ----

    Hey just thought of this. What tapes are on your wishlist? Mine would be (if I could afford the Melly and tapes of course)

    MkII violins
    M400 violins
    MkII trombone
    MkII church organ
    MkII flute
    clarinet (whichever M-Tron sampled)
    orchestra
    MkII brass
    trumpets and trombones
    MkII tenor sax
    St. John's Wood organ
    french horn
    cello
    cello viola mix
    MkII organ #2 (does this have a different name? The one that sounds at home with the Lawrence Welk bubble machine)

    -Sean

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    --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, fdoddy@... wrote:
    >
    >
    > I've done the same with my tron Mike. I sampled it all and didn't process the samples. It's only one articulation, but it still sounds better than an M-tron or whatever.
    >
    > fd
    >

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-20 by Mike Dickson

    Sean wrote:

    It seems that most all the M-Tron sounds (with exceptions like the cello) have much poorer signal to noise ratio than the real deal. I don't recall the Moodies or Crimson Mellotrons sounding hissy in unflattering ways. Mr. Dickson's recordings certainly don't sound that way.


    My recordings were filtered track-by-track through a very good noise reduction system indeed to eliminate the white noise overhead. Pile up 40 tracks of that and it would swamp everything. The thing is that what you record on Monday has a different sonic picture the following day. They are such fickle creatures.

    I just don't much care for the M-Tron sounds. They seem muffled to death at times and some appear to have been recorded with a mike at the Mk II speakers. I mean...there is 'authentic' and there is 'needlessly hopeful'.....

    Mike


    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-21 by lsf5275@aol.com

    Interesting. Here is what's on my M4000. It nearly fills your list. The track blending is very good and many of the sounds were picked with that ability in mind.

    Track A Track B Track C

    1. Vibes MKII Violins Cello

    2. Russian Choir Eight Choir Church Organ(St. John's)

    3. MKII Brass Tenor Sax Trombone

    4. Boys Choir Male Choir Female Choir

    5. M300A Violins New Cello Cyndee’s Viola

    6. MKII Church Organ McDonald Flute MKI Clarinet

    7. New String Section Orchestra Watcher Mix

    8. Bass Clarinet Oboe Glen Miller

    In a message dated 1/20/2010 6:21:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fourtytwominds@yahoo.com writes:
    Show quoted textHide quoted text
    Hey just thought of this. What tapes are on your wishlist? Mine would be (if I could afford the Melly and tapes of course)

    MkII violins
    M400 violins
    MkII trombone
    MkII church organ
    MkII flute
    clarinet (whichever M-Tron sampled)
    orchestra
    MkII brass
    trumpets and trombones
    MkII tenor sax
    St. John's Wood organ
    french horn
    cello
    cello viola mix
    MkII organ #2 (does this have a different name? The one that sounds at home with the Lawrence Welk bubble machine)

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-21 by Bruce Daily

    Here's my wish list (please send cash!)-
    MK2 Brass
    Split Male/Female choir
    Classic Strings
    Medieval Woodwinds
    MK2 Tenor Sax
    Sad Strings
    Bass Clarinet
    Vibes
    Okay, I like the classic sounds.
    -Bruce D.
    #1221


    --- On Wed, 1/20/10, lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:
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    From: lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com>
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 6:25 PM

    Interesting. Here is what's on my M4000. It nearly fills your list. The track blending is very good and many of the sounds were picked with that ability in mind.

    Track A Track B Track C

    1. Vibes MKII Violins Cello

    2. Russian Choir Eight Choir Church Organ(St. John's)

    3. MKII Brass Tenor Sax Trombone

    4. Boys Choir Male Choir Female Choir

    5. M300A Violins New Cello Cyndee’s Viola

    6. MKII Church Organ McDonald Flute MKI Clarinet

    7. New String Section Orchestra Watcher Mix

    8. Bass Clarinet Oboe Glen Miller

    In a message dated 1/20/2010 6:21:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fourtytwominds@ yahoo.com writes:
    Hey just thought of this. What tapes are on your wishlist? Mine would be (if I could afford the Melly and tapes of course)

    MkII violins
    M400 violins
    MkII trombone
    MkII church organ
    MkII flute
    clarinet (whichever M-Tron sampled)
    orchestra
    MkII brass
    trumpets and trombones
    MkII tenor sax
    St. John's Wood organ
    french horn
    cello
    cello viola mix
    MkII organ #2 (does this have a different name? The one that sounds at home with the Lawrence Welk bubble machine)

    Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-21 by Tron400

    > I just don't much care for the M-Tron sounds. They seem muffled to death
    > at times and some appear to have been recorded with a mike at the Mk II
    > speakers. I mean...there is 'authentic' and there is 'needlessly
    > hopeful'.....
    >
    > Mike
    >

    Some of them were.

    Bernie

    Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-21 by Tron400

    > Hey just thought of this. What tapes are on your wishlist? Mine would be (if I could afford the Melly and tapes of course)
    >
    > MkII violins
    > M400 violins
    > MkII trombone
    > MkII church organ
    > MkII flute
    > clarinet (whichever M-Tron sampled)
    > orchestra
    > MkII brass
    > trumpets and trombones
    > MkII tenor sax
    > St. John's Wood organ
    > french horn
    > cello
    > cello viola mix
    > MkII organ #2 (does this have a different name? The one that sounds at home with the Lawrence Welk bubble machine)
    >
    > -Sean

    Here's my list :

    http://mikedickson.org.uk/tron/

    Bernie

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-21 by tspit74@comcast.net

    You forgot String Section w/ cello. My current favorite sound.
    ----- Original Message -----
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    From: "Bruce Daily" <pocotron@yahoo.com>
    To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:24:13 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Here's my wish list (please send cash!)-
    MK2 Brass
    Split Male/Female choir
    Classic Strings
    Medieval Woodwinds
    MK2 Tenor Sax
    Sad Strings
    Bass Clarinet
    Vibes
    Okay, I like the classic sounds.
    -Bruce D.
    #1221


    --- On Wed, 1/20/10, lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:

    From: lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com>
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 6:25 PM

    Interesting. Here is what's on my M4000. It nearly fills your list. The track blending is very good and many of the sounds were picked with that ability in mind.

    Track A Track B Track C

    1. Vibes MKII Violins Cello

    2. Russian Choir Eight Choir Church Organ(St. John's)

    3. MKII Brass Tenor Sax Trombone

    4. Boys Choir Male Choir Female Choir

    5. M300A Violins New Cello Cyndee’s Viola

    6. MKII Church Organ McDonald Flute MKI Clarinet

    7. New String Section Orchestra Watcher Mix

    8. Bass Clarinet Oboe Glen Miller

    In a message dated 1/20/2010 6:21:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fourtytwominds@ yahoo.com writes:
    Hey just thought of this. What tapes are on your wishlist? Mine would be (if I could afford the Melly and tapes of course)

    MkII violins
    M400 violins
    MkII trombone
    MkII church organ
    MkII flute
    clarinet (whichever M-Tron sampled)
    orchestra
    MkII brass
    trumpets and trombones
    MkII tenor sax
    St. John's Wood organ
    french horn
    cello
    cello viola mix
    MkII organ #2 (does this have a different name? The one that sounds at home with the Lawrence Welk bubble machine)

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-22 by Bruce Daily

    No forgetting at all.
    It's on one of my frames: 2 Trumpets & 2 Trombones; String section w/'Cello; 8 Choir.
    -Bruce D.

    --- On Thu, 1/21/10, tspit74@comcast.net <tspit74@comcast.net> wrote:

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    From: tspit74@comcast.net <tspit74@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:22 AM

    You forgot String Section w/ cello. My current favorite sound.
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Bruce Daily" <pocotron@yahoo. com>
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:24:13 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Here's my wish list (please send cash!)-
    MK2 Brass
    Split Male/Female choir
    Classic Strings
    Medieval Woodwinds
    MK2 Tenor Sax
    Sad Strings
    Bass Clarinet
    Vibes
    Okay, I like the classic sounds.
    -Bruce D.
    #1221


    --- On Wed, 1/20/10, lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com> wrote:

    From: lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com>
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 6:25 PM

    Interesting. Here is what's on my M4000. It nearly fills your list. The track blending is very good and many of the sounds were picked with that ability in mind.

    Track A Track B Track C

    1. Vibes MKII Violins Cello

    2. Russian Choir Eight Choir Church Organ(St. John's)

    3. MKII Brass Tenor Sax Trombone

    4. Boys Choir Male Choir Female Choir

    5. M300A Violins New Cello Cyndee’s Viola

    6. MKII Church Organ McDonald Flute MKI Clarinet

    7. New String Section Orchestra Watcher Mix

    8. Bass Clarinet Oboe Glen Miller

    In a message dated 1/20/2010 6:21:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fourtytwominds@ yahoo.com writes:
    Hey just thought of this. What tapes are on your wishlist? Mine would be (if I could afford the Melly and tapes of course)

    MkII violins
    M400 violins
    MkII trombone
    MkII church organ
    MkII flute
    clarinet (whichever M-Tron sampled)
    orchestra
    MkII brass
    trumpets and trombones
    MkII tenor sax
    St. John's Wood organ
    french horn
    cello
    cello viola mix
    MkII organ #2 (does this have a different name? The one that sounds at home with the Lawrence Welk bubble machine)



    Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-22 by Sean

    --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...> wrote:
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    >
    > Sean wrote:
    >
    > >
    > >
    > > It seems that most all the M-Tron sounds (with exceptions like the
    > > cello) have much poorer signal to noise ratio than the real deal. I
    > > don't recall the Moodies or Crimson Mellotrons sounding hissy in
    > > unflattering ways. Mr. Dickson's recordings certainly don't sound that
    > > way.
    > >
    >
    > My recordings were filtered track-by-track through a very good noise
    > reduction system indeed to eliminate the white noise overhead. Pile up
    > 40 tracks of that and it would swamp everything. The thing is that what
    > you record on Monday has a different sonic picture the following day.
    > They are such fickle creatures.
    >
    > I just don't much care for the M-Tron sounds. They seem muffled to death
    > at times and some appear to have been recorded with a mike at the Mk II
    > speakers. I mean...there is 'authentic' and there is 'needlessly
    > hopeful'.....
    >
    > Mike
    >

    I think I just answered my own question just a little while ago. I fiddle-faddled with graphic EQ in real time and I think I gots it.

    It's a 31 band EQ

    For the MkII violins (M-Tron the "Violins 1" seems to be the MkII direct feed) Tone set to 12o'clock.
    I've cut 14kHz and above -20. That seems to clear up the jaggies quite well.
    12kHz -6
    315Hz -just a little bit, and steep roll off below that to -20 by 150Hz, to reinforce the highpass I already had in place.
    Pull 400Hz, 1kHz, and 2kHz slightly above zero (probably about +2) and the areas in between these maybe -2, slope smoothly.

    the 4-8kHz range seems to be where most of the SCREAM is, so I've moderately scooped this out (-4 or -6 or something like that).

    The 8kHz-10kHz range seems to bring it forward in a mix if left alone, if reduced say by 3dB it sits better as the typical Mellotron wall-of-sound-ness.

    I've compared with the old King Crimson recordings and I think I'm pretty much there. In the Court seems to have tone set to 9o'clock, and the fundamentals a little hotter (the 400Hz area and near neighbors) and the harmonics a little less than what I have, especially, so it seems, everything above 3kHz is a bit less.

    The megalithic In the Court sound seems to be the same for lower register notes, but upper register notes I'm guess are recorded with a different EQ that has less fundamental and more overtone, and the tone knob back at around 12o'clock.



    Try it, tell me if I'm daft or not.

    -Sean


    Oh, lots of reverb too.

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-22 by lsf5275@aol.com

    It Hz to be in love...
    In a message dated 1/22/2010 1:26:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, fourtytwominds@yahoo.com writes:
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    --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@ ...> wrote:
    >
    > Sean wrote:
    >
    > >
    > >
    > > It seems that most all the M-Tron sounds (with exceptions like the
    > > cello) have much poorer signal to noise ratio than the real deal. I
    > > don't recall the Moodies or Crimson Mellotrons sounding hissy in
    > > unflattering ways. Mr. Dickson's recordings certainly don't sound that
    > > way.
    > >
    >
    > My recordings were filtered track-by-track through a very good noise
    > reduction system indeed to eliminate the white noise overhead. Pile up
    > 40 tracks of that and it would swamp everything. The thing is that what
    > you record on Monday has a different sonic picture the following day.
    > They are such fickle creatures.
    >
    > I just don't much care for the M-Tron sounds. They seem muffled to death
    > at times and some appear to have been recorded with a mike at the Mk II
    > speakers. I mean...there is 'authentic' and there is 'needlessly
    > hopeful'.... .
    >
    > Mike
    >

    I think I just answered my own question just a little while ago. I fiddle-faddled with graphic EQ in real time and I think I gots it.

    It's a 31 band EQ

    For the MkII violins (M-Tron the "Violins 1" seems to be the MkII direct feed) Tone set to 12o'clock.
    I've cut 14kHz and above -20. That seems to clear up the jaggies quite well.
    12kHz -6
    315Hz -just a little bit, and steep roll off below that to -20 by 150Hz, to reinforce the highpass I already had in place.
    Pull 400Hz, 1kHz, and 2kHz slightly above zero (probably about +2) and the areas in between these maybe -2, slope smoothly.

    the 4-8kHz range seems to be where most of the SCREAM is, so I've moderately scooped this out (-4 or -6 or something like that).

    The 8kHz-10kHz range seems to bring it forward in a mix if left alone, if reduced say by 3dB it sits better as the typical Mellotron wall-of-sound- ness.

    I've compared with the old King Crimson recordings and I think I'm pretty much there. In the Court seems to have tone set to 9o'clock, and the fundamentals a little hotter (the 400Hz area and near neighbors) and the harmonics a little less than what I have, especially, so it seems, everything above 3kHz is a bit less.

    The megalithic In the Court sound seems to be the same for lower register notes, but upper register notes I'm guess are recorded with a different EQ that has less fundamental and more overtone, and the tone knob back at around 12o'clock.

    Try it, tell me if I'm daft or not.

    -Sean

    Oh, lots of reverb too.

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-22 by tspit74@comcast.net

    As George Harrison would sing, "Isn't it a Pitney?"
    ----- Original Message -----
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    From: "john barrick" <astroboy@cinci.rr.com>
    To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 1:26:52 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    lsf5275@aol.com wrote:
    >
    >
    > It Hz to be in love...
    >
    > I
    >
    And Gene Pitney just rolled over in his grave...

    Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-22 by Tron400

    Bruce,

    How do you like the 2 Trumpets/2 Trombones? Is it a split or do both instruments run the full 3 octaves -1? How's the bottom end? I have the Pinder CD samples and M-Tron Pro, both of which have a trumpet/trombone sound, but I don't know if it's the same one that you have; both sound kind of thin at the bottom.

    Bernie

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    --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@...> wrote:
    >
    > No forgetting at all.
    > It's on one of my frames:Â 2 Trumpets & 2 Trombones; String section w/'Cello; 8 Choir.
    >
    > Â Â Â Â Â
    > Â
    > -Bruce D.
    > Â
    >
    > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, tspit74@... <tspit74@...> wrote:
    >
    >
    > From: tspit74@... <tspit74@...>
    > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    > Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:22 AM
    >
    >
    > Â
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > You forgot String Section w/ cello. My current favorite sound.
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Bruce Daily" <pocotron@yahoo. com>
    > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:24:13 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
    > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    >
    > Â
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Here's my wish list (please send cash!)-
    > Â
    > MK2 Brass
    > Split Male/Female choir
    > Classic Strings
    > Medieval Woodwinds
    > MK2 Tenor Sax
    > Sad Strings
    > Bass Clarinet
    > Vibes
    > Â
    > Okay, I like the classic sounds.
    > Â
    > Â -Bruce D.
    > Â #1221
    > Â
    >
    >
    > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com> wrote:
    >
    >
    > From: lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com>
    > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    > Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 6:25 PM
    >
    >
    > Â
    >
    >
    > Interesting. Here is what's on my M4000. It nearly fills your list. The track blending is very good and many of the sounds were picked with that ability in mind.
    > Â
    > Â
    >
    > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Track AÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Track BÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Track C
    > Â
    > Â
    > 1.  Vibes                            MKII Violins         Cello
    > 2.  Russian Choir            Eight Choir          Church Organ(St. John's)
    > 3.  MKII Brass                 Tenor Sax            Trombone
    > 4.  Boys Choir                  Male Choir           Female Choir
    > 5.  M300A Violins             New Cello             Cyndee’s Viola
    > 6.  MKII Church Organ    McDonald Flute    MKI Clarinet
    > 7.  New String Section    Orchestra             Watcher Mix
    > 8.  Bass Clarinet             Oboe                       Glen Miller
    > Â
    > Â
    >
    > In a message dated 1/20/2010 6:21:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fourtytwominds@ yahoo.com writes:
    > Hey just thought of this. What tapes are on your wishlist? Mine would be (if I could afford the Melly and tapes of course)
    >
    > MkII violins
    > M400 violins
    > MkII trombone
    > MkII church organ
    > MkII flute
    > clarinet (whichever M-Tron sampled)
    > orchestra
    > MkII brass
    > trumpets and trombones
    > MkII tenor sax
    > St. John's Wood organ
    > french horn
    > cello
    > cello viola mix
    > MkII organ #2 (does this have a different name? The one that sounds at home with the Lawrence Welk bubble machine)
    >

    RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-22 by John Wright

    And Andy Williams singing 'Moog River"

    From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Blechta
    Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:23 AM
    To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report


    On Jan 22, 2010, at 9:07 AM, tspit74@comcast. net wrote:

    As George Harrison would sing, "Isn't it a Pitney?"

    And then there's that Famous Christmas carol, "Arp! the Herald Angels Sing"

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-22 by lsf5275@aol.com

    Oh Magog! I can't stand it anymore.
    In a message dated 1/22/2010 9:27:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, john.wright@consona.com writes:
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    And Andy Williams singing 'Moog River"

    From: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:newmellotro ngroup@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Rick Blechta
    Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:23 AM
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report


    On Jan 22, 2010, at 9:07 AM, tspit74@comcast. net wrote:

    As George Harrison would sing, "Isn't it a Pitney?"

    And then there's that Famous Christmas carol, "Arp! the Herald Angels Sing"

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-22 by Nic Lewis


    And surely we remember the hit 'Free Electric Band' by, of course, Albert Hammond.

    At 14:53 22/01/2010, you wrote:
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    Oh Magog! I can't stand it anymore.

    In a message dated 1/22/2010 9:27:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, john.wright@consona.com writes:

    And Andy Williams singing 'Moog River"

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-23 by Bruce Daily

    Hi Bernie-
    Mine spans the keyboard, it is not the split. Yeah, it's a little thin at the bottom, but it's good. MK2 Brass or Brass B would've given a Bigger Bottom (shades of SpinalTap!).
    After living with my 'tron for a while, I've started to feel that a recording of a loud, blaring, razzy(?) brass section might be great ...with tubas, too! I don't want to start something, though. Hey, sustaining an 8-second loud note might make some of the players fall over and die.
    -Bruce Daily


    --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Tron400 <kornowicz@cox.net> wrote:
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    From: Tron400 <kornowicz@cox.net>
    Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 7:15 AM



    Bruce,

    How do you like the 2 Trumpets/2 Trombones? Is it a split or do both instruments run the full 3 octaves -1? How's the bottom end? I have the Pinder CD samples and M-Tron Pro, both of which have a trumpet/trombone sound, but I don't know if it's the same one that you have; both sound kind of thin at the bottom.

    Bernie

    --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@.. .> wrote:
    >
    > No forgetting at all.
    > It's on one of my frames:Â 2 Trumpets & 2 Trombones; String section w/'Cello; 8 Choir.
    >
    > Â Â Â Â Â
    > Â
    > -Bruce D.
    > Â
    >
    > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, tspit74@... <tspit74@... > wrote:
    >
    >
    > From: tspit74@... <tspit74@... >
    > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    > Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:22 AM
    >
    >
    > Â
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > You forgot String Section w/ cello. My current favorite sound.
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Bruce Daily" <pocotron@yahoo. com>
    > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:24:13 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
    > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    >
    > Â
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Here's my wish list (please send cash!)-
    > Â
    > MK2 Brass
    > Split Male/Female choir
    > Classic Strings
    > Medieval Woodwinds
    > MK2 Tenor Sax
    > Sad Strings
    > Bass Clarinet
    > Vibes
    > Â
    > Okay, I like the classic sounds.
    > Â
    > Â -Bruce D.
    > Â #1221
    > Â
    >
    >
    > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com> wrote:
    >
    >
    > From: lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com>
    > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    > Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 6:25 PM
    >
    >
    > Â
    >
    >
    > Interesting. Here is what's on my M4000. It nearly fills your list. The track blending is very good and many of the sounds were picked with that ability in mind.
    > Â
    > Â
    >
    > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Track AÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Track BÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Track C
    > Â
    > Â
    > 1.  Vibes                            MKII Violins         Cello
    > 2.  Russian Choir            Eight Choir          Church Organ(St. John's)
    > 3.  MKII Brass                 Tenor Sax            Trombone
    > 4.  Boys Choir                  Male Choir           Female Choir
    > 5.  M300A Violins             New Cello             Cyndee’s Viola
    > 6.  MKII Church Organ    McDonald Flute    MKI Clarinet
    > 7.  New String Section    Orchestra             Watcher Mix
    > 8.  Bass Clarinet             Oboe                       Glen Miller
    > Â
    > Â
    >
    > In a message dated 1/20/2010 6:21:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fourtytwominds@ yahoo.com writes:
    > Hey just thought of this. What tapes are on your wishlist? Mine would be (if I could afford the Melly and tapes of course)
    >
    > MkII violins
    > M400 violins
    > MkII trombone
    > MkII church organ
    > MkII flute
    > clarinet (whichever M-Tron sampled)
    > orchestra
    > MkII brass
    > trumpets and trombones
    > MkII tenor sax
    > St. John's Wood organ
    > french horn
    > cello
    > cello viola mix
    > MkII organ #2 (does this have a different name? The one that sounds at home with the Lawrence Welk bubble machine)
    >

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-23 by Bruce Daily

    Some Fred Astaire- "I'm in the Moog for Love"


    --- On Fri, 1/22/10, lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:

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    From: lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com>
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 7:53 AM

    Oh Magog! I can't stand it anymore.
    In a message dated 1/22/2010 9:27:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, john.wright@ consona.com writes:
    And Andy Williams singing 'Moog River"

    From: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:newmellotro ngroup@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Rick Blechta
    Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:23 AM
    To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report


    On Jan 22, 2010, at 9:07 AM, tspit74@comcast. net wrote:

    As George Harrison would sing, "Isn't it a Pitney?"

    And then there's that Famous Christmas carol, "Arp! the Herald Angels Sing"

    Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-23 by Tron400

    Thanks Bruce. From the samples I've tried, the solo Trombone has more bottom. Have you tried the GC3 Brass? It's not really a split but the lower half of the keyboard sounds different than the upper half; almost like the lower half is muted. The upper half has a nice, bright, piercing sound like trumpets. The Brass B interests me, but the tuning doesn't seem as good as the MkII Combined Brass.

    Bernie

    Show quoted textHide quoted text
    --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@...> wrote:
    >
    > Hi Bernie-
    >   Mine spans the keyboard, it is not the split. Yeah, it's a little thin at the bottom, but it's good. MK2 Brass or Brass B would've given a Bigger Bottom (shades of SpinalTap!).
    >   After living with my 'tron for a while, I've started to feel that a recording of a loud, blaring, razzy(?) brass section might be great ...with tubas, too! I don't want to start something, though. Hey, sustaining an 8-second loud note might make some of the players fall over and die.
    > Â
    > Â Â -Bruce Daily
    >
    >
    > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Tron400 <kornowicz@...> wrote:
    >
    >
    > From: Tron400 <kornowicz@...>
    > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    > Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 7:15 AM
    >
    >
    > Â
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Bruce,
    >
    > How do you like the 2 Trumpets/2 Trombones? Is it a split or do both instruments run the full 3 octaves -1? How's the bottom end? I have the Pinder CD samples and M-Tron Pro, both of which have a trumpet/trombone sound, but I don't know if it's the same one that you have; both sound kind of thin at the bottom.
    >
    > Bernie
    >
    > --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@ .> wrote:
    > >
    > > No forgetting at all.
    > > It's on one of my frames: 2 Trumpets & 2 Trombones; String section w/'Cello; 8 Choir.
    > >
    > >     ÂÂ
    > > ÂÂ
    > > -Bruce D.
    > > ÂÂ
    > >
    > > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, tspit74@ <tspit74@ > wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > > From: tspit74@ <tspit74@ >
    > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    > > Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:22 AM
    > >
    > >
    > > ÂÂ
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > You forgot String Section w/ cello. My current favorite sound.
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: "Bruce Daily" <pocotron@yahoo. com>
    > > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    > > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:24:13 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
    > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > >
    > > ÂÂ
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Here's my wish list (please send cash!)-
    > > ÂÂ
    > > MK2 Brass
    > > Split Male/Female choir
    > > Classic Strings
    > > Medieval Woodwinds
    > > MK2 Tenor Sax
    > > Sad Strings
    > > Bass Clarinet
    > > Vibes
    > > ÂÂ
    > > Okay, I like the classic sounds.
    > > ÂÂ
    > >  -Bruce D.
    > >  #1221
    > > ÂÂ
    > >
    > >
    > > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com> wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > > From: lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com>
    > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    > > Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 6:25 PM
    > >
    > >
    > > ÂÂ
    > >
    > >
    > > Interesting. Here is what's on my M4000. It nearly fills your list. The track blending is very good and many of the sounds were picked with that ability in mind.
    > > ÂÂ
    > > ÂÂ
    > >
    > >          Track A                    Track B                       Track C
    > > ÂÂ
    > > ÂÂ
    > > 1.  Vibes                            MKII Violins         Cello
    > > 2.  Russian Choir            Eight Choir          Church Organ(St. John's)
    > > 3.  MKII Brass                 Tenor Sax            Trombone
    > > 4.  Boys Choir                  Male Choir           Female Choir
    > > 5.  M300A Violins             New Cello             Cyndee’s Viola
    > > 6.  MKII Church Organ    McDonald Flute    MKI Clarinet
    > > 7.  New String Section    Orchestra             Watcher Mix
    > > 8.  Bass Clarinet             Oboe                       Glen Miller
    > > ÂÂ
    > > ÂÂ
    > >
    > > In a message dated 1/20/2010 6:21:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fourtytwominds@ yahoo.com writes:
    > > Hey just thought of this. What tapes are on your wishlist? Mine would be (if I could afford the Melly and tapes of course)
    > >
    > > MkII violins
    > > M400 violins
    > > MkII trombone
    > > MkII church organ
    > > MkII flute
    > > clarinet (whichever M-Tron sampled)
    > > orchestra
    > > MkII brass
    > > trumpets and trombones
    > > MkII tenor sax
    > > St. John's Wood organ
    > > french horn
    > > cello
    > > cello viola mix
    > > MkII organ #2 (does this have a different name? The one that sounds at home with the Lawrence Welk bubble machine)
    > >
    >

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-23 by lsf5275@aol.com

    Now that's saying something!
    In a message dated 1/22/2010 9:38:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kornowicz@cox.net writes:
    Show quoted textHide quoted text
    The Brass B interests me, but the tuning doesn't seem as good as the MkII Combined Brass.

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-23 by Bruce Daily

    Bernie-
    I've only heard the tape library samples. In its pure form the phasing interplay of the 3 'bones is a little annoying, but probably would work better in a mix. Interesting to note that the lower end seemed muted.
    IMHO a better split would be the solo trombone and trumpet (starting with the lowest notes on each). A better bottom.
    -Bruce D.


    --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Tron400 <kornowicz@cox.net> wrote:
    Show quoted textHide quoted text

    From: Tron400 <kornowicz@cox.net>
    Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 7:34 PM



    Thanks Bruce. From the samples I've tried, the solo Trombone has more bottom. Have you tried the GC3 Brass? It's not really a split but the lower half of the keyboard sounds different than the upper half; almost like the lower half is muted. The upper half has a nice, bright, piercing sound like trumpets. The Brass B interests me, but the tuning doesn't seem as good as the MkII Combined Brass.

    Bernie

    --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@.. .> wrote:
    >
    > Hi Bernie-
    >   Mine spans the keyboard, it is not the split. Yeah, it's a little thin at the bottom, but it's good. MK2 Brass or Brass B would've given a Bigger Bottom (shades of SpinalTap!).
    >   After living with my 'tron for a while, I've started to feel that a recording of a loud, blaring, razzy(?) brass section might be great ...with tubas, too! I don't want to start something, though. Hey, sustaining an 8-second loud note might make some of the players fall over and die.
    > Â
    > Â Â -Bruce Daily
    >
    >
    > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Tron400 <kornowicz@. ..> wrote:
    >
    >
    > From: Tron400 <kornowicz@. ..>
    > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    > Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 7:15 AM
    >
    >
    > Â
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Bruce,
    >
    > How do you like the 2 Trumpets/2 Trombones? Is it a split or do both instruments run the full 3 octaves -1? How's the bottom end? I have the Pinder CD samples and M-Tron Pro, both of which have a trumpet/trombone sound, but I don't know if it's the same one that you have; both sound kind of thin at the bottom.
    >
    > Bernie
    >
    > --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@ .> wrote:
    > >
    > > No forgetting at all.
    > > It's on one of my frames: 2 Trumpets & 2 Trombones; String section w/'Cello; 8 Choir.
    > >
    > >     ÂÂ
    > > ÂÂ
    > > -Bruce D.
    > > ÂÂ
    > >
    > > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, tspit74@ <tspit74@ > wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > > From: tspit74@ <tspit74@ >
    > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    > > Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:22 AM
    > >
    > >
    > > ÂÂ
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > You forgot String Section w/ cello. My current favorite sound.
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: "Bruce Daily" <pocotron@yahoo. com>
    > > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    > > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:24:13 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
    > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > >
    > > ÂÂ
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Here's my wish list (please send cash!)-
    > > ÂÂ
    > > MK2 Brass
    > > Split Male/Female choir
    > > Classic Strings
    > > Medieval Woodwinds
    > > MK2 Tenor Sax
    > > Sad Strings
    > > Bass Clarinet
    > > Vibes
    > > ÂÂ
    > > Okay, I like the classic sounds.
    > > ÂÂ
    > >  -Bruce D.
    > >  #1221
    > > ÂÂ
    > >
    > >
    > > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com> wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > > From: lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com>
    > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    > > Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 6:25 PM
    > >
    > >
    > > ÂÂ
    > >
    > >
    > > Interesting. Here is what's on my M4000. It nearly fills your list. The track blending is very good and many of the sounds were picked with that ability in mind.
    > > ÂÂ
    > > ÂÂ
    > >
    > >          Track A                    Track B                       Track C
    > > ÂÂ
    > > ÂÂ
    > > 1.  Vibes                            MKII Violins         Cello
    > > 2.  Russian Choir            Eight Choir          Church Organ(St. John's)
    > > 3.  MKII Brass                 Tenor Sax            Trombone
    > > 4.  Boys Choir                  Male Choir           Female Choir
    > > 5.  M300A Violins             New Cello             Cyndee’s Viola
    > > 6.  MKII Church Organ    McDonald Flute    MKI Clarinet
    > > 7.  New String Section    Orchestra             Watcher Mix
    > > 8.  Bass Clarinet             Oboe                       Glen Miller
    > > ÂÂ
    > > ÂÂ
    > >
    > > In a message dated 1/20/2010 6:21:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fourtytwominds@ yahoo.com writes:
    > > Hey just thought of this. What tapes are on your wishlist? Mine would be (if I could afford the Melly and tapes of course)
    > >
    > > MkII violins
    > > M400 violins
    > > MkII trombone
    > > MkII church organ
    > > MkII flute
    > > clarinet (whichever M-Tron sampled)
    > > orchestra
    > > MkII brass
    > > trumpets and trombones
    > > MkII tenor sax
    > > St. John's Wood organ
    > > french horn
    > > cello
    > > cello viola mix
    > > MkII organ #2 (does this have a different name? The one that sounds at home with the Lawrence Welk bubble machine)
    > >
    >

    Tronspotting

    2010-01-23 by Bruce Daily

    Speaking of MKII Brass, it sounds like some samples are used in the current Cricket Wireless TV commercial. Starts clean, but ends up in a latin (salsa?) motif.
    -Bruce D.


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    From: lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com>
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 7:43 PM

    Now that's saying something!
    In a message dated 1/22/2010 9:38:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kornowicz@cox. net writes:
    The Brass B interests me, but the tuning doesn't seem as good as the MkII Combined Brass.

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-23 by Rick Blechta


    On Jan 23, 2010, at 2:44 PM, Bruce Daily wrote:

    I've only heard the tape library samples. In its pure form the phasing interplay of the 3 'bones is a little annoying, but probably would work better in a mix. Interesting to note that the lower end seemed muted.
    IMHO a better split would be the solo trombone and trumpet (starting with the lowest notes on each). A better bottom.

    They should both be rerecorded because you'd certainly have something better than the original recordings, both of which are of very poor quality. The trumpet player cacks the highest note, for Pete's sake. What was that all about? Sure it's really high, but there are a lot of pros around who could cut it.

    Someone floated the idea of a real brass section. I'd like to propose a brass quintet, all playing at the same time. It would sound AWESOME. I guarantee it. The problem most of the "mixed voice" is that they were recorded separately. It really won't work as well as musicians all playing at the same time. One reason the 3 violins still sounds so good to us? Harry C. used 3 violinists to play it. Not one violinist 3 times. That would have sounded crappy. I've tried it.

    There are inherent problems using several musicians at once. More chance of mistakes, for one thing, but pros do that stuff all the time and they can pull it off. It would be a very interesting experiment to record some of the multi-instrument voices with live players doing it all at once. The choirs are all recorded this way, come to think of it, and don't they sound great? Imagine getting a full orchestra (of pros) to all start on a low G and go up from there. Your bowels would move involuntarily at high volumes when that was played back on a mellotron (to quote our Martin). Of course, I can't imagine how much recording something like that would cost...

    We can dream, though!

    Rick

    Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-23 by Tron400

    Bruce,

    The phasing of the GC3 doesn't bother me at all. I had a frame with the GC3 and really enjoyed playing it. I like the Trombone samples a lot. The only Trumpet I've heard it from M-Tron and they aren't so bad except for the upper notes. I would like the full 35 notes of each rather than a split.

    Bernie

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    --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@...> wrote:
    >
    > Bernie-
    >   I've only heard the tape library samples. In its pure form the phasing interplay of the 3 'bones is a little annoying, but probably would work better in a mix. Interesting to note that the lower end seemed muted.
    >    IMHO a better split would be the solo trombone and trumpet (starting with the lowest notes on each). A better bottom.
    > Â
    > Â Â -Bruce D.
    >
    >
    > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Tron400 <kornowicz@...> wrote:
    >
    >
    > From: Tron400 <kornowicz@...>
    > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    > Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 7:34 PM
    >
    >
    > Â
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Thanks Bruce. From the samples I've tried, the solo Trombone has more bottom. Have you tried the GC3 Brass? It's not really a split but the lower half of the keyboard sounds different than the upper half; almost like the lower half is muted. The upper half has a nice, bright, piercing sound like trumpets. The Brass B interests me, but the tuning doesn't seem as good as the MkII Combined Brass.
    >
    > Bernie
    >
    > --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@ .> wrote:
    > >
    > > Hi Bernie-
    > >   Mine spans the keyboard, it is not the split. Yeah, it's a little thin at the bottom, but it's good. MK2 Brass or Brass B would've given a Bigger Bottom (shades of SpinalTap!).
    > >   After living with my 'tron for a while, I've started to feel that a recording of a loud, blaring, razzy(?) brass section might be great ...with tubas, too! I don't want to start something, though. Hey, sustaining an 8-second loud note might make some of the players fall over and die.
    > > ÂÂ
    > >   -Bruce Daily
    > >
    > >
    > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Tron400 <kornowicz@ ..> wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > > From: Tron400 <kornowicz@ ..>
    > > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    > > Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 7:15 AM
    > >
    > >
    > > ÂÂ
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Bruce,
    > >
    > > How do you like the 2 Trumpets/2 Trombones? Is it a split or do both instruments run the full 3 octaves -1? How's the bottom end? I have the Pinder CD samples and M-Tron Pro, both of which have a trumpet/trombone sound, but I don't know if it's the same one that you have; both sound kind of thin at the bottom.
    > >
    > > Bernie
    > >
    > > --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@ .> wrote:
    > > >
    > > > No forgetting at all.
    > > > It's on one of my frames: 2 Trumpets & 2 Trombones; String section w/'Cello; 8 Choir.
    > > >
    > > >     ÂÂÂ
    > > > ÂÂÂ
    > > > -Bruce D.
    > > > ÂÂÂ
    > > >
    > > > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, tspit74@ <tspit74@ > wrote:
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > From: tspit74@ <tspit74@ >
    > > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > > > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    > > > Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:22 AM
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > ÂÂÂ
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > You forgot String Section w/ cello. My current favorite sound.
    > > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > > From: "Bruce Daily" <pocotron@yahoo. com>
    > > > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    > > > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:24:13 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
    > > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > > >
    > > > ÂÂÂ
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Here's my wish list (please send cash!)-
    > > > ÂÂÂ
    > > > MK2 Brass
    > > > Split Male/Female choir
    > > > Classic Strings
    > > > Medieval Woodwinds
    > > > MK2 Tenor Sax
    > > > Sad Strings
    > > > Bass Clarinet
    > > > Vibes
    > > > ÂÂÂ
    > > > Okay, I like the classic sounds.
    > > > ÂÂÂ
    > > >  -Bruce D.
    > > >  #1221
    > > > ÂÂÂ
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com> wrote:
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > From: lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com>
    > > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    > > > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
    > > > Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 6:25 PM
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > ÂÂÂ
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Interesting. Here is what's on my M4000. It nearly fills your list. The track blending is very good and many of the sounds were picked with that ability in mind.
    > > > ÂÂÂ
    > > > ÂÂÂ
    > > >
    > > >          Track A                    Track B                       Track C
    > > > ÂÂÂ
    > > > ÂÂÂ
    > > > 1.  Vibes                            MKII Violins         Cello
    > > > 2.  Russian Choir            Eight Choir          Church Organ(St. John's)
    > > > 3.  MKII Brass                 Tenor Sax            Trombone
    > > > 4.  Boys Choir                  Male Choir           Female Choir
    > > > 5.  M300A Violins             New Cello             Cyndee’s Viola
    > > > 6.  MKII Church Organ    McDonald Flute    MKI Clarinet
    > > > 7.  New String Section    Orchestra             Watcher Mix
    > > > 8.  Bass Clarinet             Oboe                       Glen Miller
    > > > ÂÂÂ
    > > > ÂÂÂ
    > > >
    > > > In a message dated 1/20/2010 6:21:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fourtytwominds@ yahoo.com writes:
    > > > Hey just thought of this. What tapes are on your wishlist? Mine would be (if I could afford the Melly and tapes of course)
    > > >
    > > > MkII violins
    > > > M400 violins
    > > > MkII trombone
    > > > MkII church organ
    > > > MkII flute
    > > > clarinet (whichever M-Tron sampled)
    > > > orchestra
    > > > MkII brass
    > > > trumpets and trombones
    > > > MkII tenor sax
    > > > St. John's Wood organ
    > > > french horn
    > > > cello
    > > > cello viola mix
    > > > MkII organ #2 (does this have a different name? The one that sounds at home with the Lawrence Welk bubble machine)
    > > >
    > >
    >

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-24 by Fritz Doddy

    Say 65 players, which is decent size, coupla hours of studio time... 13.5k on the low end, 20k on the high end for top shelf NY players. Considering the tron is mono, you could nearly the same effect with far fewer players if voiced creatively.

    Sorry for the brevity as I am replying from a remote region of iPhonekstan.

    fritzdoddy

    On Jan 23, 2010, at 3:12 PM, Rick Blechta <rick@rickblechta.com> wrote:

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    On Jan 23, 2010, at 2:44 PM, Bruce Daily wrote:

    I've only heard the tape library samples. In its pure form the phasing interplay of the 3 'bones is a little annoying, but probably would work better in a mix. Interesting to note that the lower end seemed muted.
    IMHO a better split would be the solo trombone and trumpet (starting with the lowest notes on each). A better bottom.

    They should b oth be rerecorded because you'd certainly have something better than the original recordings, both of which are of very poor quality. The trumpet player cacks the highest note, for Pete's sake. What was that all about? Sure it's really high, but there are a lot of pros around who could cut it.

    Someone floated the idea of a real brass section. I'd like to propose a brass quintet, all playing at the same time. It would sound AWESOME. I guarantee it. The problem most of the "mixed voice" is that they were recorded separately. It really won't work as well as musicians all playing at the same time. One reason the 3 violins still sounds so good to us? Harry C. used 3 violinists to play it. Not one violinist 3 times. That would have sounded crappy. I've tried it.

    There are inherent problems using several musicians at once. More chance of mistakes, for one thing, but pros do that stuff all the time and they can pull it off. It would be a very interesting experiment to record some of the multi-instrument voices with live players doing it all at once. The choirs are all recorded this way, come to think of it, and don't they sound great? Imagine getting a full orchestra (of pros) to all start on a low G and go up from there. Your bowels would move involuntarily at high volumes when that was played back on a mellotron (to quote our Martin). Of course, I can't imagine how much recording something like that would cost...

    We can dream, though!

    Rick

    =

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-24 by Rick Blechta


    On Jan 24, 2010, at 10:04 AM, Fritz Doddy wrote:

    Say 65 players, which is decent size, coupla hours of studio time... 13.5k on the low end, 20k on the high end for top shelf NY players. Considering the tron is mono, you could nearly the same effect with far fewer players if voiced creatively.

    Sorry for the brevity as I am replying from a remote region of iPhonekstan.

    Yes, but there's also the chorus, a pipe organ and Martin would insist on at least dancing bears, if not elephants. A chariot race between C1 and F#2 would also be nice if cost is no object.

    In thinking about this, I guess you'd have to give the orchestra music in order to maximize the time spent. I can imagine their expressions as they look at 35 "footballs" on their pages. No dynamics, no tempo, no nothin'. That alone might be worth the money!

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-24 by lsf5275@aol.com

    Fritz, how is the war effort going over there? I hear the iApp terrorists are being captured at a furious rate and are being sent to Guantanamo iBay for debriefing, so to speak (no cameras allowed).
    Frank
    In a message dated 1/24/2010 10:05:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, fdoddy@aol.com writes:
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    Sorry for the brevity as I am replying from a remote region of iPhonekstan.

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-24 by fdoddy@aol.com

    I once had to do Flight of the Bumble Bee at 9 AM at an ungodly tempo. Lotsa grumpy players that day.

    In my limited experience recording tron sounds, I think the biggest pain would be reducing the smear caused by mushy note attacks with such a large ensemble. Those first milliseconds is where the magic happens...


    I'm famous for "footballs" actually. It's how you go from one to the other that's fun for me.


    fd


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    Sent: Sun, Jan 24, 2010 10:19 am
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report


    On Jan 24, 2010, at 10:04 AM, Fritz Doddy wrote:

    Say 65 players, which is decent size, coupla hours of studio time... 13.5k on the low end, 20k on the high end for top shelf NY players. Considering the tron is mono, you could nearly the same effect with far fewer players if voiced creatively.

    Sorry for the brevity as I am replying from a remote region of iPhonekstan.

    Yes, but there's also the chorus, a pipe organ and Martin would insist on at least dancing bears, if not elephants. A chariot race between C1 and F#2 would also be nice if cost is no object.

    In thinking about this, I guess you'd have to give the orchestra music in order to maximize the time spent. I can imagine their expressions as they look at 35 "footballs" on their pages. No dynamics, no tempo, no nothin'. That alone might be worth the money!

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-24 by fdoddy@aol.com

    you need to write for SNL or some MomBlog somewhere...



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    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    Fritz, how is the war effort going over there? I hear the iApp terrorists are being captured at a furious rate and are being sent to Guantanamo iBay for debriefing, so to speak (no cameras allowed).
    Frank
    In a message dated 1/24/2010 10:05:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, fdoddy@aol.com writes:
    Sorry for the brevity as I am replying from a remote region of iPhonekstan.

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-25 by lsf5275@aol.com

    What in God's name is that?
    In a message dated 1/24/2010 2:40:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fdoddy@aol.com writes:
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    MomBlog

    Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-25 by ClayE

    This morning, I could use a sound with the opposite effect. I know, over-sharing, but Rick brought it up.

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    --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Rick Blechta <rick@...> wrote:

    Your bowels would move involuntarily at high volumes when that was played back on a mellotron (to quote our Martin).

    Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-25 by jonesalley

    The "brown noise." SHouldn't that be a recorder?







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    --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "ClayE" <ecclesreinson@...> wrote:
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    > This morning, I could use a sound with the opposite effect. I know, over-sharing, but Rick brought it up.
    >
    > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Rick Blechta <rick@> wrote:
    >
    > Your bowels would move involuntarily at high volumes when that was played back on a mellotron (to quote our Martin).
    >

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-25 by lsf5275@aol.com

    Hmmm, must be different than white noise.
    In a message dated 1/25/2010 12:11:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jonesalley@cox.net writes:
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    The "brown noise." SHouldn't that be a recorder?

    Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-25 by Bruce Daily

    Methinks we're getting into a gray area here.


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    From: lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com>
    Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: NAMM Report
    To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
    Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 2:12 PM

    Hmmm, must be different than white noise.
    In a message dated 1/25/2010 12:11:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jonesalley@cox. net writes:
    The "brown noise." SHouldn't that be a recorder?

    Re: NAMM Report

    2010-01-26 by trawnajim

    --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@...> wrote:
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    > Methinks we're getting into a gray area here.

    I'm green with envy, while hoping this doesn't make me red-faced with embarrasment.

    Jim Bailey