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So what white?

So what white?

2009-10-19 by DaSwans

I'm feeling like it's time to restore her paint to it's original beauty. I want to do things to improve #857 that don't cost a lot of money right now. Considering that at some point, my Mellotron was painted with a brush with white latex house paint, I'm sure I won't have trouble bettering it's appearance.

But what is the proper white? There are spots where I think I see the original color. But I can't tell if it's the effect of a 30 year old film of nicotine or if someone spilled the bongwater on it too many times.

So, does anyone know the right shade? Refrigerator white? Ivory? Gray white? Cream? Light almond? I believe it's supposed to be satin. But am I wrong? Is it gloss? Any brand of paint (preferably from a can) that is preferred?

Any help is appreciated.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] So what white?

2009-10-19 by tony1

Sure do it's called "black" it's a darker shade of white.
Makes them look more distinct (ask Fripp).
Sorry but I couldn't resist.
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: DaSwans
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 1:00 AM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] So what white?

I'm feeling like it's time to restore her paint to it's original beauty. I want to do things to improve #857 that don't cost a lot of money right now. Considering that at some point, my Mellotron was painted with a brush with white latex house paint, I'm sure I won't have trouble bettering it's appearance.

But what is the proper white? There are spots where I think I see the original color. But I can't tell if it's the effect of a 30 year old film of nicotine or if someone spilled the bongwater on it too many times.

So, does anyone know the right shade? Refrigerator white? Ivory? Gray white? Cream? Light almond? I believe it's supposed to be satin. But am I wrong? Is it gloss? Any brand of paint (preferably from a can) that is preferred?

Any help is appreciated.

Re: So what white?

2009-10-19 by DaSwans

Thanks Tony. I thought the Crim trons were white. At least they are in the pictures from the booklet of the 73-74 live box set.

Any other advice on glossy/satin and white/off-white? Somebody out there must know, right?


--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tony1" <atm655@...> wrote:
>
> Sure do it's called "black" it's a darker shade of white.
> Makes them look more distinct (ask Fripp).
> Sorry but I couldn't resist.
> Tony
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: DaSwans
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 1:00 AM
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] So what white?
>
>
> I'm feeling like it's time to restore her paint to it's original beauty. I want to do things to improve #857 that don't cost a lot of money right now. Considering that at some point, my Mellotron was painted with a brush with white latex house paint, I'm sure I won't have trouble bettering it's appearance.
>
> But what is the proper white? There are spots where I think I see the original color. But I can't tell if it's the effect of a 30 year old film of nicotine or if someone spilled the bongwater on it too many times.
>
> So, does anyone know the right shade? Refrigerator white? Ivory? Gray white? Cream? Light almond? I believe it's supposed to be satin. But am I wrong? Is it gloss? Any brand of paint (preferably from a can) that is preferred?
>
> Any help is appreciated.
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?

2009-10-19 by tony1

My pleasure I am sure.
The stock paint color is an off white/cream but obviously I'm not the guy with your answer, sorry!
Ask Martin or John as when my was restored it was repainted in black.
Glad you can take a joke (despite the fact that mine has been black since about 2 days after I bought it in 1975) and my new one will be too.
Preferences are a good thing.
Best,
Tony
#510
----- Original Message -----
From: DaSwans
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 6:21 PM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?

Thanks Tony. I thought the Crim trons were white. At least they are in the pictures from the booklet of the 73-74 live box set.

Any other advice on glossy/satin and white/off-white? Somebody out there must know, right?

--- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, "tony1" <atm655@...> wrote:
>
> Sure do it's called "black" it's a darker shade of white.
> Makes them look more distinct (ask Fripp).
> Sorry but I couldn't resist.
> Tony
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: DaSwans
> To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 1:00 AM
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] So what white?
>
>
> I'm feeling like it's time to restore her paint to it's original beauty. I want to do things to improve #857 that don't cost a lot of money right now. Considering that at some point, my Mellotron was painted with a brush with white latex house paint, I'm sure I won't have trouble bettering it's appearance.
>
> But what is the proper white? There are spots where I think I see the original color. But I can't tell if it's the effect of a 30 year old film of nicotine or if someone spilled the bongwater on it too many times.
>
> So, does anyone know the right shade? Refrigerator white? Ivory? Gray white? Cream? Light almond? I believe it's supposed to be satin. But am I wrong? Is it gloss? Any brand of paint (preferably from a can) that is preferred?
>
> Any help is appreciated.
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?

2009-10-19 by lsf5275@aol.com

This is one that I painted. It is a white satin finish. I am about to paint one an ivory white. Are you going to use a gun or spray cans? This was painted with a gun.
Frank
In a message dated 10/19/2009 6:22:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tspit74@comcast.net writes:

Thanks Tony. I thought the Crim trons were white. At least they are in the pictures from the booklet of the 73-74 live box set.

Any other advice on glossy/satin and white/off-white? Somebody out there must know, right?

--- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, "tony1" <atm655@...> wrote:
>
> Sure do it's called "black" it's a darker shade of white.
> Makes them look more distinct (ask Fripp).
> Sorry but I couldn't resist.
> Tony
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: DaSwans
> To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 1:00 AM
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] So what white?
>
>
> I'm feeling like it's time to restore her paint to it's original beauty. I want to do things to improve #857 that don't cost a lot of money right now. Considering that at some point, my Mellotron was painted with a brush with white latex house paint, I'm sure I won't have trouble bettering it's appearance.
>
> But what is the proper white? There are spots where I think I see the original color. But I can't tell if it's the effect of a 30 year old film of nicotine or if someone spilled the bongwater on it too many times.
>
> So, does anyone know the right shade? Refrigerator white? Ivory? Gray white? Cream? Light almond? I believe it's supposed to be satin. But am I wrong? Is it gloss? Any brand of paint (preferably from a can) that is preferred?
>
> Any help is appreciated.
>

Re: So what white?

2009-10-19 by DaSwans

That's beautiful, Frank. Is white satin an original color?

I'll be using cans. I've done a lot of paint work on my Triumph Spitfire (engine bay, suspension parts (no body work)), so I'm confident I can get a good finish with cans, 800 grit sandpaper (wet), polishing compound, etc.

Do you know if they were originally ivory or white? I can't really go by old pictures in Genesis books because they don't really tell the truth. My gut tells me it's not a refrigerator white and probably closer to ivory. But what shade? Probably lighter than almond, right.

Who know? Maybe I'll just do white like the one in your picture. It looks great!

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> This is one that I painted. It is a white satin finish. I am about to paint
> one an ivory white. Are you going to use a gun or spray cans? This was
> painted with a gun.
>
> Frank
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 10/19/2009 6:22:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> tspit74@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Thanks Tony. I thought the Crim trons were white. At least they are in the
> pictures from the booklet of the 73-74 live box set.
>
> Any other advice on glossy/satin and white/off-white? Somebody out there
> must know, right?
>
> --- In _newmellotrongroup@newmellotronnew_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) , "tony1" <atm655@> wrote:
> >
> > Sure do it's called "black" it's a darker shade of white.
> > Makes them look more distinct (ask Fripp).
> > Sorry but I couldn't resist.
> > Tony
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: DaSwans
> > To: _newmellotrongroup@newmellotronnew_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)
> > Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 1:00 AM
> > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] So what white?
> >
> >
> > I'm feeling like it's time to restore her paint to it's original beauty.
> I want to do things to improve #857 that don't cost a lot of money right
> now. Considering that at some point, my Mellotron was painted with a brush
> with white latex house paint, I'm sure I won't have trouble bettering it's
> appearance.
> >
> > But what is the proper white? There are spots where I think I see the
> original color. But I can't tell if it's the effect of a 30 year old film of
> nicotine or if someone spilled the bongwater on it too many times.
> >
> > So, does anyone know the right shade? Refrigerator white? Ivory? Gray
> white? Cream? Light almond? I believe it's supposed to be satin. But am I
> wrong? Is it gloss? Any brand of paint (preferably from a can) that is
> preferred?
> >
> > Any help is appreciated.
> >
>

RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?

2009-10-19 by Ms. Janet Strauss

It’s a “White Satin” finish…

…and he painted it at “Night”….

-----Original Message-----
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol.com
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 6:38 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?

This is one that I painted. It is a white satin finish. I am about to paint one an ivory white. Are you going to use a gun or spray cans? This was painted with a gun.

Frank

In a message dated 10/19/2009 6:22:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tspit74@comcast.net writes:

Thanks Tony. I thought the Crim trons were white. At least they are in the pictures from the booklet of the 73-74 live box set.

Any other advice on glossy/satin and white/off-white? Somebody out there must know, right?

--- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, "tony1" <atm655@...> wrote:
>
> Sure do it's called "black" it's a darker shade of white.
> Makes them look more distinct (ask Fripp).
> Sorry but I couldn't resist.
> Tony
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: DaSwans
> To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 1:00 AM
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] So what white?
>
>
> I'm feeling like it's time to restore her paint to it's original beauty. I want to do things to improve #857 that don't cost a lot of money right now. Considering that at some point, my Mellotron was painted with a brush with white latex house paint, I'm sure I won't have trouble bettering it's appearance.
>
> But what is the proper white? There are spots where I think I see the original color. But I can't tell if it's the effect of a 30 year old film of nicotine or if someone spilled the bongwater on it too many times.
>
> So, does anyone know the right shade? Refrigerator white? Ivory? Gray white? Cream? Light almond? I believe it's supposed to be satin. But am I wrong? Is it gloss? Any brand of paint (preferably from a can) that is preferred?
>
> Any help is appreciated.
>

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Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?

2009-10-19 by lsf5275@aol.com

Satin is a finish, like flat or semi-gloss. There are a zillion shades of white, so I'd just pick one, paint a cheek block and see if you like it. I like Krylon in cans (very good nozzles), but I like epoxy paint (in cans, sold by Top Flite) even better. I get it at the local hobby shop. It leaves a very hard finish. Substitute the Krylon nozzle if you can.
I am going to paint the blue Mellotron with a gun... It is going to be some shade of white again. Spray cans are fine for the inside of the cabinet, but if you are going to put effort into cleaning up the outside and fixing the dents, crapped up corners and edges, then for me, a gun is the way to go. It is faster and you have more control. Spray cans are way too uneven when painting large flat surfaces
In a message dated 10/19/2009 7:08:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tspit74@comcast.net writes:
That's beautiful, Frank. Is white satin an original color?

I'll be using cans. I've done a lot of paint work on my Triumph Spitfire (engine bay, suspension parts (no body work)), so I'm confident I can get a good finish with cans, 800 grit sandpaper (wet), polishing compound, etc.

Do you know if they were originally ivory or white? I can't really go by old pictures in Genesis books because they don't really tell the truth. My gut tells me it's not a refrigerator white and probably closer to ivory. But what shade? Probably lighter than almond, right.

Who know? Maybe I'll just do white like the one in your picture. It looks great!

Re: So what white?

2009-10-20 by DaSwans

Great info. That's what I'm looking for. I do have a gun and compressor but I think my gun is broken. The last time I tried using it on some doors, nothing came out. You're points about using a gun over using cans will be considered. Perhaps it's time to buy a new gun and do this thing right.

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> Satin is a finish, like flat or semi-gloss. There are a zillion shades of
> white, so I'd just pick one, paint a cheek block and see if you like it. I
> like Krylon in cans (very good nozzles), but I like epoxy paint (in cans,
> sold by Top Flite) even better. I get it at the local hobby shop. It leaves a
> very hard finish. Substitute the Krylon nozzle if you can.
>
> I am going to paint the blue Mellotron with a gun... It is going to be some
> shade of white again. Spray cans are fine for the inside of the cabinet,
> but if you are going to put effort into cleaning up the outside and fixing
> the dents, crapped up corners and edges, then for me, a gun is the way to
> go. It is faster and you have more control. Spray cans are way too uneven
> when painting large flat surfaces
>
>
> In a message dated 10/19/2009 7:08:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> tspit74@... writes:
>
> That's beautiful, Frank. Is white satin an original color?
>
> I'll be using cans. I've done a lot of paint work on my Triumph Spitfire
> (engine bay, suspension parts (no body work)), so I'm confident I can get a
> good finish with cans, 800 grit sandpaper (wet), polishing compound, etc.
>
> Do you know if they were originally ivory or white? I can't really go by
> old pictures in Genesis books because they don't really tell the truth. My
> gut tells me it's not a refrigerator white and probably closer to ivory. But
> what shade? Probably lighter than almond, right.
>
> Who know? Maybe I'll just do white like the one in your picture. It looks
> great!
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?

2009-10-20 by tony1

Paint prep is a major "must do" to keep a finish lasting. When I painted #510 the cabinet was completely worked over, so all those decades later it was still in great shape. Using my experience from custom painting bikes, helmets etc worked out wonderfully.
My point is use a good gun, Devilbiss is my gun of choice and you might be able to rent one, or at least a Binks.
Good luck and take your time!
Tony
#510
----- Original Message -----
From: DaSwans
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 8:32 PM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?

Great info. That's what I'm looking for. I do have a gun and compressor but I think my gun is broken. The last time I tried using it on some doors, nothing came out. You're points about using a gun over using cans will be considered. Perhaps it's time to buy a new gun and do this thing right.

--- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> Satin is a finish, like flat or semi-gloss. There are a zillion shades of
> white, so I'd just pick one, paint a cheek block and see if you like it. I
> like Krylon in cans (very good nozzles), but I like epoxy paint (in cans,
> sold by Top Flite) even better. I get it at the local hobby shop. It leaves a
> very hard finish. Substitute the Krylon nozzle if you can.
>
> I am going to paint the blue Mellotron with a gun... It is going to be some
> shade of white again. Spray cans are fine for the inside of the cabinet,
> but if you are going to put effort into cleaning up the outside and fixing
> the dents, crapped up corners and edges, then for me, a gun is the way to
> go. It is faster and you have more control. Spray cans are way too uneven
> when painting large flat surfaces
>
>
> In a message dated 10/19/2009 7:08:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> tspit74@... writes:
>
> That's beautiful, Frank. Is white satin an original color?
>
> I'll be using cans. I've done a lot of paint work on my Triumph Spitfire
> (engine bay, suspension parts (no body work)), so I'm confident I can get a
> good finish with cans, 800 grit sandpaper (wet), polishing compound, etc.
>
> Do you know if they were originally ivory or white? I can't really go by
> old pictures in Genesis books because they don't really tell the truth. My
> gut tells me it's not a refrigerator white and probably closer to ivory. But
> what shade? Probably lighter than almond, right.
>
> Who know? Maybe I'll just do white like the one in your picture. It looks
> great!
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?

2009-10-20 by Rick Blechta


On Oct 19, 2009, at 7:57 PM, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:

am going to paint the blue Mellotron with a gun... It is going to be some shade of white again. Spray cans are fine for the inside of the cabinet, but if you are going to put effort into cleaning up the outside and fixing the dents, crapped up corners and edges, then for me, a gun is the way to go. It is faster and you have more control. Spray cans are way too uneven when painting large flat surfaces

Or to give it that genuine Rick Wakeman feel, paint it with a flame thrower. It's very quick and easy, but do it outdoors. The fumes and overspray are not good indoors.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?

2009-10-20 by Bruce Daily

Hi all-
If you research automobile paint, the old Ford color "Wimbledon White" is very close, but borders on the tan side, and a tad darker than the original 'Tron cream white paint. I tested a can of spray touch-up paint to come to this conclusion.
One idea that could help is to remove a cheek block and check the paint on the side. It may be untouched (no tobacco smoke haze), and a matching computer at the paint store may be able to scan & duplicate it.
-Bruce Daily
#1221


--- On Mon, 10/19/09, lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:

From: lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 5:57 PM

Satin is a finish, like flat or semi-gloss. There are a zillion shades of white, so I'd just pick one, paint a cheek block and see if you like it. I like Krylon in cans (very good nozzles), but I like epoxy paint (in cans, sold by Top Flite) even better. I get it at the local hobby shop. It leaves a very hard finish. Substitute the Krylon nozzle if you can.
I am going to paint the blue Mellotron with a gun... It is going to be some shade of white again. Spray cans are fine for the inside of the cabinet, but if you are going to put effort into cleaning up the outside and fixing the dents, crapped up corners and edges, then for me, a gun is the way to go. It is faster and you have more control. Spray cans are way too uneven when painting large flat surfaces
In a message dated 10/19/2009 7:08:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tspit74@comcast. net writes:
That's beautiful, Frank. Is white satin an original color?

I'll be using cans. I've done a lot of paint work on my Triumph Spitfire (engine bay, suspension parts (no body work)), so I'm confident I can get a good finish with cans, 800 grit sandpaper (wet), polishing compound, etc.

Do you know if they were originally ivory or white? I can't really go by old pictures in Genesis books because they don't really tell the truth. My gut tells me it's not a refrigerator white and probably closer to ivory. But what shade? Probably lighter than almond, right.

Who know? Maybe I'll just do white like the one in your picture. It looks great!

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?

2009-10-20 by lsf5275@aol.com

Yes, but I would recommend polishing it with auto body polishing compound first, to get the oxidation and grime out of the paint.
Frank
In a message dated 10/20/2009 1:23:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pocotron@yahoo.com writes:
One idea that could help is to remove a cheek block and check the paint on the side. It may be untouched (no tobacco smoke haze), and a matching computer at the paint store may be able to scan & duplicate it.

Re: So what white?

2009-10-20 by Tron400

When I saw them at the Waterbury Palace opening for Edgar Winter(!) sometime in the distant past, they had 2 white M400's. Fripp played one and Mel Collins player the other.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "DaSwans" <tspit74@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Tony. I thought the Crim trons were white. At least they are in the pictures from the booklet of the 73-74 live box set.
>
> Any other advice on glossy/satin and white/off-white? Somebody out there must know, right?
>
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tony1" <atm655@> wrote:
> >
> > Sure do it's called "black" it's a darker shade of white.
> > Makes them look more distinct (ask Fripp).
> > Sorry but I couldn't resist.
> > Tony
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: DaSwans
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 1:00 AM
> > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] So what white?
> >
> >
> > I'm feeling like it's time to restore her paint to it's original beauty. I want to do things to improve #857 that don't cost a lot of money right now. Considering that at some point, my Mellotron was painted with a brush with white latex house paint, I'm sure I won't have trouble bettering it's appearance.
> >
> > But what is the proper white? There are spots where I think I see the original color. But I can't tell if it's the effect of a 30 year old film of nicotine or if someone spilled the bongwater on it too many times.
> >
> > So, does anyone know the right shade? Refrigerator white? Ivory? Gray white? Cream? Light almond? I believe it's supposed to be satin. But am I wrong? Is it gloss? Any brand of paint (preferably from a can) that is preferred?
> >
> > Any help is appreciated.
> >
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?

2009-10-20 by tony1

Or perhaps it's time to clean the gun?
I've never seen nor used a gun I could not clean.
If you have the appropriate thinner in the pot and tightly cover the end cap of the gun, pull the trigger you will back wash the device. That's my standard way of cleaning a working gun and it's the last step in the process.
Unless you've used some type of epoxy the chances are good the gun will work again.
The DeVilbiss I mentioned is an expensive gun, so they are not disposable items to me.
If you have some $29.95 unit, then I might toss it and start with a new tool.
Tony
#510
----- Original Message -----
From: DaSwans
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 8:32 PM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?

Great info. That's what I'm looking for. I do have a gun and compressor but I think my gun is broken. The last time I tried using it on some doors, nothing came out. You're points about using a gun over using cans will be considered. Perhaps it's time to buy a new gun and do this thing right.

--- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> Satin is a finish, like flat or semi-gloss. There are a zillion shades of
> white, so I'd just pick one, paint a cheek block and see if you like it. I
> like Krylon in cans (very good nozzles), but I like epoxy paint (in cans,
> sold by Top Flite) even better. I get it at the local hobby shop. It leaves a
> very hard finish. Substitute the Krylon nozzle if you can.
>
> I am going to paint the blue Mellotron with a gun... It is going to be some
> shade of white again. Spray cans are fine for the inside of the cabinet,
> but if you are going to put effort into cleaning up the outside and fixing
> the dents, crapped up corners and edges, then for me, a gun is the way to
> go. It is faster and you have more control. Spray cans are way too uneven
> when painting large flat surfaces
>
>
> In a message dated 10/19/2009 7:08:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> tspit74@... writes:
>
> That's beautiful, Frank. Is white satin an original color?
>
> I'll be using cans. I've done a lot of paint work on my Triumph Spitfire
> (engine bay, suspension parts (no body work)), so I'm confident I can get a
> good finish with cans, 800 grit sandpaper (wet), polishing compound, etc.
>
> Do you know if they were originally ivory or white? I can't really go by
> old pictures in Genesis books because they don't really tell the truth. My
> gut tells me it's not a refrigerator white and probably closer to ivory. But
> what shade? Probably lighter than almond, right.
>
> Who know? Maybe I'll just do white like the one in your picture. It looks
> great!
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?

2009-10-20 by Bruce Daily

A very good point, Frank.
This discussion thread gets me to wondering: Why did Streetly finish the original 400s in white in the first place? Was it simply to make them stand out from the other instruments on a stage? Any thoughts, Martin?
-Bruce D.

--- On Tue, 10/20/09, lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:

From: lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 5:57 AM

Yes, but I would recommend polishing it with auto body polishing compound first, to get the oxidation and grime out of the paint.
Frank
In a message dated 10/20/2009 1:23:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pocotron@yahoo. com writes:
One idea that could help is to remove a cheek block and check the paint on the side. It may be untouched (no tobacco smoke haze), and a matching computer at the paint store may be able to scan & duplicate it.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?

2009-10-20 by Rick Blechta


On Oct 20, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Bruce Daily wrote:

This discussion thread gets me to wondering: Why did Streetly finish the original 400s in white in the first place? Was it simply to make them stand out from the other instruments on a stage? Any thoughts, Martin?

The guy who used to paint them had once worked in a refrigerator factory. It was either white or avocado as far as he was concerned. Streetly wisely insisted on white. They did test one 400 in avocado. I believe Frankie Stickle has it in his kitchen.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?

2009-10-20 by tony1

I've been wondering that for a long time.
True a pristine white Mellotron looking stunning, but again "preferences" black looks spooky, and that's why I bought one and waisted no time getting it black (like the rest of my gear)! The way so many people abuse their instruments, black hides imperfections nicely, and is easy to touch up.
When John and Martin repainted mine (in black, 2006) it's as striking as my paint job or better.
So when the new unit arrives it too will be black.
The white issue is understandable to me, and if I were to go that way I'd go for a bright white.
I remember Pavlov's Dog (2 M400s) looking great on stage and they were bright white.
Tony
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?

A very good point, Frank.
This discussion thread gets me to wondering: Why did Streetly finish the original 400s in white in the first place? Was it simply to make them stand out from the other instruments on a stage? Any thoughts, Martin?
-Bruce D.

--- On Tue, 10/20/09, lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com> wrote:

From: lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 5:57 AM

Yes, but I would recommend polishing it with auto body polishing compound first, to get the oxidation and grime out of the paint.
Frank
In a message dated 10/20/2009 1:23:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pocotron@yahoo. com writes:
One idea that could help is to remove a cheek block and check the paint on the side. It may be untouched (no tobacco smoke haze), and a matching computer at the paint store may be able to scan & duplicate it.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?

2009-10-20 by fdoddy@aol.com

He repainted the avocado tron. It's now Harvest Gold.


fd


-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Blechta <rick@rickblechta.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:11 pm
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?


On Oct 20, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Bruce Daily wrote:

This discussion thread gets me to wondering: Why did Streetly finish the original 400s in white in the first place? Was it simply to make them stand out from the other instruments on a stage? Any thoughts, Martin?

The guy who used to paint them had once worked in a refrigerator factory. It was either white or avocado as far as he was concerned. Streetly wisely insisted on white. They did test one 400 in avocado. I believe Frankie Stickle has it in his kitchen.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?

2009-10-20 by lsf5275@aol.com

While waiting for Martin's reply, I'm going to guess... I think that it was because white was cheap and easy to get. Also, white was easy to match.
Frank
Proud owner of a creamy, satiny, whitish M4000 that may be more of an eggshell or bone.
In a message dated 10/20/2009 1:09:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pocotron@yahoo.com writes:
A very good point, Frank.
This discussion thread gets me to wondering: Why did Streetly finish the original 400s in white in the first place? Was it simply to make them stand out from the other instruments on a stage? Any thoughts, Martin?
-Bruce D.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?

2009-10-20 by tony1

Tony patiently awaiting a black M5000.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?

While waiting for Martin's reply, I'm going to guess... I think that it was because white was cheap and easy to get. Also, white was easy to match.
Frank
Proud owner of a creamy, satiny, whitish M4000 that may be more of an eggshell or bone.
In a message dated 10/20/2009 1:09:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pocotron@yahoo. com writes:
A very good point, Frank.
This discussion thread gets me to wondering: Why did Streetly finish the original 400s in white in the first place? Was it simply to make them stand out from the other instruments on a stage? Any thoughts, Martin?
-Bruce D.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?

2009-10-20 by Rick Blechta


On Oct 20, 2009, at 1:53 PM, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:

While waiting for Martin's reply, I'm going to guess... I think that it was because white was cheap and easy to get. Also, white was easy to match.
Frank

I'll weigh in on this in Martin's stead. I was told by Mellotronics back in 1972 that they were painting them white because that colour picked up stage lighting so well.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?

2009-10-20 by lsf5275@aol.com

Yes, we have it. It makes a delightful table for our polished aluminum tea service. We also have some lovely plates that are made of some kind of clear, space-age plastic. When company come to stay the night we serve up a nice round of Thomas' English Muffins (original, of course) and some nice English Breakfast tea in the morning and we all sit around the Mellotron while I play "In the Wake of Poseidon."
In a message dated 10/20/2009 1:12:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rick@rickblechta.com writes:
The guy who used to paint them had once worked in a refrigerator factory. It was either white or avocado as far as he was concerned. Streetly wisely insisted on white. They did test one 400 in avocado. I believe Frankie Stickle has it in his kitchen.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?

2009-10-20 by lsf5275@aol.com

Did I forget that? It matches the Fridge. Our Maytags are also in Harvest Gold.
In a message dated 10/20/2009 1:27:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, fdoddy@aol.com writes:
It's now Harvest Gold.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?

2009-10-20 by lsf5275@aol.com

That makes perfect sense. Odd that it's coming from you, Rick. ;-)
In a message dated 10/20/2009 2:20:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rick@rickblechta.com writes:
I was told by Mellotronics back in 1972 that they were painting them white because that colour picked up stage lighting so well.

RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?

2009-10-20 by John Wright

It was the 70's, so don't forget harvest gold.
John
#911

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Blechta
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:12 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?


On Oct 20, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Bruce Daily wrote:

This discussion thread gets me to wondering: Why did Streetly finish the original 400s in white in the first place? Was it simply to make them stand out from the other instruments on a stage? Any thoughts, Martin?

The guy who used to paint them had once worked in a refrigerator factory. It was either white or avocado as far as he was concerned. Streetly wisely insisted on white. The y did test one 400 in avocado. I believe Frankie Stickle has it in his kitchen.

RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?

2009-10-20 by John Wright

sorry, behind on my reading!

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of fdoddy@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:26 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?

He repainted the avocado tron. It's now Harvest Gold.


fd


-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Blechta <rick@rickblechta. com>
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:11 pm
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?


On Oct 20, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Bruce Daily wrote:

This discussion thread gets me to wondering: Why did Streetly finish the original 400s in white in the first place? Was it simply to make them stand out from the other instruments on a stage? Any thoughts, Martin?

The guy who used to paint them had once worked in a refrigerator factory. It was either white or avocado as far as he was concerned. Streetly wisely insisted on white. They did test one 400 in avocado. I believe Frankie Stickle has it in his kitchen.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?

2009-10-20 by tronbros@aol.com

In a message dated 20/10/2009 18:09:19 GMT Daylight Time, pocotron@yahoo.com writes:
This discussion thread gets me to wondering: Why did Streetly finish the original 400s in white in the first place? Was it simply to make them stand out from the other instruments on a stage? Any thoughts, Martin?
Because they could become any colour that you wanted them to be with the right spotlight and gel.
M
Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic
www.mellotronics.com
US Sales East: Jimmy Moore JMoore6397@aol.com
US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink
Chloe Smith: myspace.com/chloesmithmusic

Re: So what white?

2009-10-20 by jonesalley

Any Colour You Like.





--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, tronbros@... wrote:
>
>
>
> In a message dated 20/10/2009 18:09:19 GMT Daylight Time,
> pocotron@... writes:
>
> This discussion thread gets me to wondering: Why did Streetly finish the
> original 400s in white in the first place? Was it simply to make them
> stand out from the other instruments on a stage? Any thoughts, Martin?
>
>
> Because they could become any colour that you wanted them to be with the
> right spotlight and gel.
>
> M
>
> Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic
> _www.mellotronics.com_ (http://www.mellotronics.com/)
>
> US Sales East: Jimmy Moore_ JMoore6397@..._
> (http://JMoore6397@.../)
> US Sales West: Paul Cox_ pjc56@earthlink_ (mailto:pjc56@earthlink)
> Chloe Smith: _myspace.com/chloesmithmusic_
> (http://myspace.com/chloesmithmusic)
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?

2009-10-20 by Rick Blechta


On Oct 20, 2009, at 4:17 PM, tronbros@aol.com wrote:

This discussion thread gets me to wondering: Why did Streetly finish the original 400s in white in the first place? Was it simply to make them stand out from the other instruments on a stage? Any thoughts, Martin?
Because they could become any colour that you wanted them to be with the right spotlight and gel.

But what happened if, God forbid, one were to use the wrong spotlight or the wrong gel, or (horrors), both at the same time?!!!

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?

2009-10-21 by lsf5275@aol.com

Catch up, John.
In a message dated 10/20/2009 3:33:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, john.wright@consona.com writes:
It was the 70's, so don't forget harvest gold.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?

2009-10-21 by lsf5275@aol.com

Not to worry, Fritz took care of it.
In a message dated 10/20/2009 3:34:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, john.wright@consona.com writes:

sorry, behind on my reading!

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?

2009-10-21 by Bruce Daily

A 70's theme, huh? I recently ran across some fine faux mahogany paneling at a salvage yard. You know, the stuff with vertical black stripes? Maybe apply some to a 'tron with a bit of stylish matching corner moulding...
-Bruce D.
#1221 (NO, NO, NO, please NOOO!!!)


--- On Tue, 10/20/09, fdoddy@aol.com <fdoddy@aol.com> wrote:

From: fdoddy@aol.com <fdoddy@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 11:26 AM

He repainted the avocado tron. It's now Harvest Gold.


fd


-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Blechta <rick@rickblechta. com>
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:11 pm
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?


On Oct 20, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Bruce Daily wrote:

This discussion thread gets me to wondering: Why did Streetly finish the original 400s in white in the first place? Was it simply to make them stand out from the other instruments on a stage? Any thoughts, Martin?

The guy who used to paint them had once worked in a refrigerator factory. It was either white or avocado as far as he was concerned. Streetly wisely insisted on white. They did test one 400 in avocado. I believe Frankie Stickle has it in his kitchen.

Re: So what white?

2009-10-21 by Sean

That's my family living room you are talking about there. The fake paneling with black groves that is.

No amount of wood polish will make it look appealing.

MY ENTIRE living room mind you.

-Sean

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@...> wrote:
>
> A 70's theme, huh? I recently ran across some fine faux mahogany paneling at a salvage yard. You know, the stuff with vertical black stripes? Maybe apply some to a 'tron with a bit of stylish matching corner moulding...
>
> -Bruce D.
> #1221 (NO, NO, NO, please NOOO!!!)
>
>
> --- On Tue, 10/20/09, fdoddy@... <fdoddy@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: fdoddy@... <fdoddy@...>
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 11:26 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> He repainted the avocado tron. It's now Harvest Gold.
>
>
> fd
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Blechta <rick@rickblechta. com>
> To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:11 pm
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 20, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Bruce Daily wrote:
>
> This discussion thread gets me to wondering: Why did Streetly finish the original 400s in white in the first place? Was it simply to make them stand out from the other instruments on a stage? Any thoughts, Martin?
>
> The guy who used to paint them had once worked in a refrigerator factory. It was either white or avocado as far as he was concerned. Streetly wisely insisted on white. They did test one 400 in avocado. I believe Frankie Stickle has it in his kitchen.
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?

2009-10-21 by Bruce Daily

I'm sorry, Sean. (you should see my father's basement!)
Oh, and don't forget the tri-colored multi-level shag carpet, along with the moulded plastic fleur-de-lis cutout room dividers.
-Bruce D.


--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Sean <fourtytwominds@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Sean <fourtytwominds@yahoo.com>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 12:33 AM

That's my family living room you are talking about there. The fake paneling with black groves that is.

No amount of wood polish will make it look appealing.

MY ENTIRE living room mind you.

-Sean

--- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@.. .> wrote:
>
> A 70's theme, huh? I recently ran across some fine faux mahogany paneling at a salvage yard. You know, the stuff with vertical black stripes? Maybe apply some to a 'tron with a bit of stylish matching corner moulding...
>
> -Bruce D.
> #1221 (NO, NO, NO, please NOOO!!!)
>
>
> --- On Tue, 10/20/09, fdoddy@... <fdoddy@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: fdoddy@... <fdoddy@...>
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?
> To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 11:26 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> He repainted the avocado tron. It's now Harvest Gold.
>
>
> fd
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Blechta <rick@rickblechta. com>
> To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:11 pm
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?
>
>
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>
>
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>
>
>
> On Oct 20, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Bruce Daily wrote:
>
> This discussion thread gets me to wondering: Why did Streetly finish the original 400s in white in the first place? Was it simply to make them stand out from the other instruments on a stage? Any thoughts, Martin?
>
> The guy who used to paint them had once worked in a refrigerator factory. It was either white or avocado as far as he was concerned. Streetly wisely insisted on white. They did test one 400 in avocado. I believe Frankie Stickle has it in his kitchen.
>


Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?

2009-10-21 by lsf5275@aol.com

What about the imitation Masonite wild west gun rack?
In a message dated 10/21/2009 4:42:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pocotron@yahoo.com writes:
Oh, and don't forget the tri-colored multi-level shag carpet, along with the moulded plastic fleur-de-lis cutout room dividers.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?

2009-10-22 by Bruce Daily

Hold it... just gotta get the safety off...


--- On Wed, 10/21/09, lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:

From: lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 2:51 PM

What about the imitation Masonite wild west gun rack?
In a message dated 10/21/2009 4:42:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pocotron@yahoo. com writes:
Oh, and don't forget the tri-colored multi-level shag carpet, along with the moulded plastic fleur-de-lis cutout room dividers.

Re: So what white?

2009-10-22 by Tron400

Where's the bathroom?


--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@...> wrote:
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> Hold it... just gotta get the safety off...
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> --- On Wed, 10/21/09, lsf5275@... <lsf5275@...> wrote:
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> From: lsf5275@... <lsf5275@...>
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 2:51 PM
>
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>
>
> What about the imitation Masonite wild west gun rack?
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>
> In a message dated 10/21/2009 4:42:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pocotron@yahoo. com writes:
>
> Oh, and don't forget the tri-colored multi-level shag carpet, along with the moulded plastic fleur-de-lis cutout room dividers.
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?

2009-10-22 by Bruce Daily

Right next to that gun rack, of course!


--- On Thu, 10/22/09, Tron400 <kornowicz@cox.net> wrote:

From: Tron400 <kornowicz@cox.net>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 5:53 AM



Where's the bathroom?

--- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@.. .> wrote:
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> Hold it... just gotta get the safety off...
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 10/21/09, lsf5275@... <lsf5275@... > wrote:
>
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> From: lsf5275@... <lsf5275@... >
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?
> To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 2:51 PM
>
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>
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>
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> What about the imitation Masonite wild west gun rack?
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> In a message dated 10/21/2009 4:42:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pocotron@yahoo. com writes:
>
> Oh, and don't forget the tri-colored multi-level shag carpet, along with the moulded plastic fleur-de-lis cutout room dividers.
>


Re: So what white?

2009-10-24 by ClayE

Red Forman...Is that you?

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "Sean" <fourtytwominds@...> wrote:
>
> That's my family living room you are talking about there. The fake paneling with black groves that is.
>
> No amount of wood polish will make it look appealing.
>
> MY ENTIRE living room mind you.
>
> -Sean
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@> wrote:
> >
> > A 70's theme, huh? I recently ran across some fine faux mahogany paneling at a salvage yard. You know, the stuff with vertical black stripes? Maybe apply some to a 'tron with a bit of stylish matching corner moulding...
> >
> > -Bruce D.
> > #1221 (NO, NO, NO, please NOOO!!!)
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 10/20/09, fdoddy@ <fdoddy@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: fdoddy@ <fdoddy@>
> > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 11:26 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > He repainted the avocado tron. It's now Harvest Gold.
> >
> >
> > fd
> >
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> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rick Blechta <rick@rickblechta. com>
> > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:11 pm
> > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: So what white?
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
> > On Oct 20, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Bruce Daily wrote:
> >
> > This discussion thread gets me to wondering: Why did Streetly finish the original 400s in white in the first place? Was it simply to make them stand out from the other instruments on a stage? Any thoughts, Martin?
> >
> > The guy who used to paint them had once worked in a refrigerator factory. It was either white or avocado as far as he was concerned. Streetly wisely insisted on white. They did test one 400 in avocado. I believe Frankie Stickle has it in his kitchen.
> >
>