The Mellotron Group

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From: Chris Dale

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 5:50 PM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

Richard Chamberlin was interviewed extensively for the film, and here's hoping that Dianna's editors didn't cut too much. I hope she had total control to prevent that.

I think most people at this point would really want to hear the fascinating untold histories behind the machines from the original people like Richard, John Bradley, Dave Biro or Geoff Unwin - people who were at least around in the golden age as this info is much more 'underground' (and much more interesting - based on the conversations I've had with them. I hope they each divulged at least most of what I was told.)

This film can potentially fill an existing void most people aren't aware of.

The last thing the world needs are more "Johnny come lately musicians" espousing about how they use the mellotron or chamberlin sounds, or how great their band is because of it, or especially - how unique their samples are. I truly hope those tedious and painfully boring interviews are kept to a minimum, and that all the interesting history is finally told. Things have been out of balance in that area for way too long.

And sorry but Kanye West's name has no place even being mentioned in THIS film. Jon Brion's worked with much better than him. That guy's about as worthy of attention as a dead cat attempting to decompose in outer space.

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 8:26 AM, ClayE <ecclesreinson@ rogers.com> wrote:

Rick Nielsen.

--- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@ ...> wrote:
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From: Mattias Olsson (Roth Händle studios)

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 5:11 PM

Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Mellotron film in London...

Dianna Dilworths Mellotron film.

This event is planned to start at 2:30 pm on Sep 19, 2009 at The Tabernacle,

Prowis Square W11 2AY (Notting Hill Gate Tube).

Its fun...!

A quick thanks to Mattias for letting me know about the screening. For those who haven't seen it, there's some great stuff in there, although it's also quite flawed, both technically and in its omissions. Mattias comes across as... Mattias. :-) Still, I look forward to being able to buy a copy...

Andy T.

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "Andy Thompson" <andy.thompson@...> wrote:
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> Dianna Dilworths Mellotron film.
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> This event is planned to start at 2:30 pm on Sep 19, 2009 at The Tabernacle,
> Prowis Square W11 2AY (Notting Hill Gate Tube).
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> Its fun...!
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> A quick thanks to Mattias for letting me know about the screening. For those who haven't seen it, there's some great stuff in there, although it's also quite flawed, both technically and in its omissions. Mattias comes across as... Mattias. :-) Still, I look forward to being able to buy a copy...
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> Andy T.
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--- On Sat, 9/26/09, Andy Thompson <andy.thompson@virgin.net> wrote:

From: Andy Thompson <andy.thompson@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Mellotron film in London...
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, September 26, 2009, 9:47 PM

----- Original Message -----

From: Mattias Olsson (Roth Händle studios)

To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 5:11 PM

Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Mellotron film in London...

Dianna Dilworths Mellotron film.

This event is planned to start at 2:30 pm on Sep 19, 2009 at The Tabernacle,

Prowis Square W11 2AY (Notting Hill Gate Tube).

Its fun...!

A quick thanks to Mattias for letting me know about the screening. For those who haven't seen it, there's some great stuff in there, although it's also quite flawed, both technically and in its omissions. Mattias comes across as... Mattias. :-) Still, I look forward to being able to buy a copy...

Andy T.

Most definitely. Aside from the aforementioned flaws it was a treat to watch, and also fascinating to find out more about the Chamberlin, about which I knew comparatively very little until then.

Such a shame though, that the equipment at the Tabernacle kept conking out, so we missed a few minutes of the film early on due to temporary loss of sound, but no matter, there's always the forthcoming DVD release. According to the Mellodrama page on Facebook, that's planned for release in December.

Tony Swettenham
M400S #581 (having its long-intended Streetly restoration)

--- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, "Andy Thompson" <andy.thompson@ ...> wrote:
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> To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
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> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Mellotron film in London...
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> Dianna Dilworths Mellotron film.
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> This event is planned to start at 2:30 pm on Sep 19, 2009 at The Tabernacle,
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> Its fun...!
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> A quick thanks to Mattias for letting me know about the screening. For those who haven't seen it, there's some great stuff in there, although it's also quite flawed, both technically and in its omissions. Mattias comes across as... Mattias. :-) Still, I look forward to being able to buy a copy...
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> Andy T.
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-- 
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Free Music Project: http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/ 
Or http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson
Or http://soundcloud.com/mikedickson
Or http://www.planetmellotron.com/revd4.htm#mikedickson

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...> wrote:
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> What flaws?

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 8:26 AM, ClayE <ecclesreinson@rogers.com> wrote:

Rick Nielsen.

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...> wrote:
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From: Chris Dale
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 11:50:50 -0400
To: <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

That would be Schrodinger's?

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From: "tronfan66" <mellotron_head@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 11:32 AM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...


Tony


Most definitely. Aside from the aforementioned flaws it was a treat to
watch, and also fascinating to find out more about the Chamberlin, about
which I knew comparatively very little until then.

Such a shame though, that the equipment at the Tabernacle kept conking out,
so we missed a few minutes of the film early on due to temporary loss of
sound, but no matter, there's always the forthcoming DVD release. According
to the Mellodrama page on Facebook, that's planned for release in December.

Tony Swettenham
M400S #581 (having its long-intended Streetly restoration)


You were at the Tabernacle? You must've been the only other person there who
watched it all the way through. :-)

Andy T.

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From: Mark Pring

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 11:40 AM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Mellotron film in London...

I live in hope of finding some track with mellotron not listed on your site, thought I had found it in Keith Christmas "Forest and the Shore" but no

Heh heh :-) Actually, I keep getting new entries thrown at me. Haven't heard the Keith Christmas, but at least I've got it listed...

Andy

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From: lsf5275@aol.com

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:38 PM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Mellotron film in London...

It would be really great if you could buy me a copy too. ;?)

Frank

I'll keep you posted, Frank :-) Still owe you that England promo from the second Mellofest, too...

Andy

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From: Mike Dickson

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:39 PM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

What flaws?

You're right, it's perfect. Then again, it's a Mellotron film more than anyone else has made...

Andy

----- Original Message -----

From: Chris Dale

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 4:50 PM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

Richard Chamberlin was interviewed extensively for the film, and here's hoping that Dianna's editors didn't cut too much. I hope she had total control to prevent that.

I think most people at this point would really want to hear the fascinating untold histories behind the machines from the original people like Richard, John Bradley, Dave Biro or Geoff Unwin - people who were at least around in the golden age as this info is much more 'underground' (and much more interesting - based on the conversations I've had with them. I hope they each divulged at least most of what I was told.)

This film can potentially fill an existing void most people aren't aware of.

The last thing the world needs are more "Johnny come lately musicians" espousing about how they use the mellotron or chamberlin sounds, or how great their band is because of it, or especially - how unique their samples are. I truly hope those tedious and painfully boring interviews are kept to a minimum, and that all the interesting history is finally told. Things have been out of balance in that area for way too long.

And sorry but Kanye West's name has no place even being mentioned in THIS film. Jon Brion's worked with much better than him. That guy's about as worthy of attention as a dead cat attempting to decompose in outer space.

In a final post on the subject... Plenty of Richard Chamberlin, bits of Geoff 'Unwinn' Unwin (factual errors abound), Dave Biro, Dave Kean, Markus Resch, Patrick Warren, Jon Brion and several relevant musicians. However, NO Streetly! Several IRrelevant musicians - seriously, who gives a ? that Opeth use samples, or where they got them? Mattias and members of Bigelf were great, Rick Nielsen was irrelevant and who, indeed, gives a monkey's about Kanye 'Bigmouth' West?

I'll shut up now.

Andy

p.s. We supplied two Mellotrons for The Strawbs' 40th anniv.bash t'other week. Only used for three songs, but here's hoping they end up on the eventual DVD...

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From: Mike Dickson

To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:39 PM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

What flaws?

You're right, it's perfect. Then again, it's a Mellotron film more than anyone else has made...

Andy

-- 
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

Free Music Project: http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/ 
Or http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson
Or http://soundcloud.com/mikedickson
Or http://www.planetmellotron.com/revd4.htm#mikedickson

>> Rick Nielsen was

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----- Original Message -----

From: Mike Dickson

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 2:01 PM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

Sorry, Mike - I'd assumed sarcasm...

Andy Thompson wrote:

>> Rick Nielsen was irrelevant and who, indeed, gives a monkey's about Kanye 'Bigmouth' West?

I admit I haven't heard of him (West) until about 2 minutes ago but on looking at who he is it seems he is most notorious for a tirade on MTV recently. Whatever that amounted to, it's fair to say that one does not get on MTV unless rather a lot of people give a monkey's about you, regardless.

Indeed, but I believe we had a fairly recent debate on 'popularity in the world outside this list'. Just because someone sells millions of records doesn't mean anyone here's going to like them, or that said records will matter in the long run. They'll make their creators fairly rich and their record companies phenomenally rich(er), but are mostly artistically void. IMHO, of course.

>> p.s. We supplied two Mellotrons for The Strawbs' 40th anniv.bash t'other week.

Who indeed by comparison gives a monkey's about the Strawbs? Hardly anyone.

In the grand scheme of things, probably not, no, but given that I'm writing for list members, not the Great Unwashed (apologies to any list members who consider themselves unwashed), then yes, I'd imagine a lot of people here do give a monkey's. It was fun, BTW, and I met Rick Wakeman, who studiously avoided the Mellotrons, but was on good form re.bonfires.

Andy T.

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On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 5:11 PM, <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:

He said "Johnny come lately..." not Mattias come lately...

In a message dated 9/26/2009 3:03:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Mattias.olsson5@comhem.se writes:

Hi Chris, I am Mattias. Nice to meet you. Have you heard my band ?

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--- On Mon, 9/28/09, Tron400 <kornowicz@cox.net> wrote:

From: Tron400 <kornowicz@cox.net>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 28, 2009, 7:12 AM

That makes three of us, so far.

Bernie

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--- On Mon, 9/28/09, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 28, 2009, 6:03 AM

Thanks Frank!

Mattias - This is not intended as a dig at you in any way.

I'm rather surprised you'd think you were being lumped in with the type of mentality I'm talking about.

I mean - are you young in your maturity, insecure, ego centered, have a desire to over-promote yourself in the media, dishonestly pass samples off as real "mellotron" in liner notes to enhance CD sales, pretend you own a mellotron when you don't, take credit for things others have done before you, or not have the class to know when to censure youself ?

I'd like to believe "no". You've made some intelligent contributions here, have you not?

About me having heard your music - you were supposed to send me a CD a while back while we were discussing the "possible Chamberlin for sale" thread. But you never did......... so I don't know quite what it sounds like, and am in no position to comment on it.

So - in no way could I be referring to you, nor other list members here, or any other mellotron caretakers. And if I was, I would be a hypocrite - as my age and perceived disposition could also include me in the "Johnny come lately" demographic as well.

But I try my best to ensure that never happens. (When is the last time I drew attention to my own projects here or anywhere else?)

So please don't misconstrue what I'm ranting about (and you really probably shouldn't have posted my words out of context on Facebook - but no big deal)

Anyway - my rant - specifically - is about newer and immature bands using mellotron samples (or borrowed real mellotron) and blathering on endlessly in interviews about how interesting their band is over others, or how much they love the sound (said more really for their own publicity) - and....... that this kind of "interview" is really a veiled "band promo" or "product placement" and should probably be kept to a minimum - specifically in Dianna's movie......

WHY?......

Because there is a lot of untold history that hasn't been getting out there, and that needs to get out there.....and it can only be told with any credibility by those who were there during the golden age and who were interviewed for this film.

If this wasn't the case - I would be more than happy to hear "insert post- modern bands name here" on how special or interesting they think they are because they use real mellotron or samples.

But this isn't what's happening these days....

We hear the same trivial information repeated in books, film, video, the internet etc, and other more important and historical things that we have wondered about on this list are being forgotten about.

As far I'm aware - filling this void was one of the goals of Dianna's film, - to uncover some untold history. This was also a condition for certain people in agreeing to be interviewed in the first place. As a matter of fact - I was the guy who had to persuade some of these "elders" to do it, to freely discuss as much info as they did.

So yes, admittedly I have a personal interest in hearing the likes of John Bradley, Richard Chamberlin, Geoff Unwin, Dave Biro, Frank Levi, John Kasche, Bill Eberline, etc. over everyone else in the movie.

And in my opinion, it would be a bloody shame to see their "unheard of before contributions" edited down to promote say - the likes of Chris Dale, Mattias, Jon Brion, Opeth, the Flower Kings, Kanye West or anyone else - because this stuff can be found elsewhere and the other info can't.

The only others who could probably remedy this void at any length are Dave Kean, Martin Smith, Jerry Korb, Marcus Resch, and Pea Hix.

Dianna's film seems an excellent opportunity for us to learn some unknown history (which I know we all would find very interesting) and I sincerely hope enough of it survives the final cut. I imagine it will if she has or had total control over the editing.

So to sum up - if it's a hypothetical choice between learning about:

Category 1:

Barry Frederick - first Chamberlin session musician

Harry Chamberlin's early recording equipment

The special room Harry created to record in

Lawrence Welk's offer to fund Chamberlin manufacture

Bill Fransen's false residence

Harry's selling of the violin sound to Streetly

Geoff Unwin's Mellotron promotion

Story of Yamaha / Wurlitzer adding the instrument plastic tabs to their organs to spitefully compete with the Chamberlin

Frank Levi correcting Bill Eberline's Sound Sales "modifications"

John Lennon's Birotron order / music session at the Record Plant

McCartney visit to the Birotron factory

Harry's lawsuits / deal with Optigan Corporation

Dave Vankoevering's attempted deal with Roy Chilton

Musician's Union ban and destruction of tape replay instruments

Pepperidge Farm Foods funding of digital Birotron

Bob Moog being asked to help with Godley / Creme's Gizmo

Mellotron or Chamberlin maintenance

or Category 2:

Kanye West's opinion of the Chamberlin

Maroon 5 and how much they like the sound

Martin Orford's complaints about the Mellotron

How Opeth uses the Mellotron

How Bigelf uses Mellotron

How Mellotron samples are replacements for the real thing

M-Tron and which bands are using it

Memo tron

How me, you , or your friends, or your friends' bands use a real mellotron and what we all think of the sound

Any overly-self promotional material

Well - no offense to anyone - but I know which category I'd find more interesting and would rather watch.

Granted - there has to be a certain amount of time given to "how" and "who" uses these things now, but certainly not at the expense of necessary history which has been buried over time.

A film like this - such arcane material - should be more about the history of the instruments, and less about stroking our own egos and promoting our own musical endeavors. That's what our respective websites are for.

In comparison, we have lots of time for our own interviews, thoughts on mellotron sounds, music promos etc.

The original Mellotron, Chamberlin, Birotron, Orchestron, and Optigan "elders" don't.

We don't know what we don't know.

Let's learn while we still can.

Mattias - hypothetically - say you got a broken Chamberlin one day, and you found out Richard died, but before he went he recorded some repair tips but..... ... they were cut from the movie - I'm sure you'd trade your spot in a heartbeat to have those bits from Richard back in. Ditto John Bradley or Dave Biro.

This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about - info that once it's gone - it's gone.

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 5:11 PM, <lsf5275@aol. com> wrote:

He said "Johnny come lately..." not Mattias come lately...

In a message dated 9/26/2009 3:03:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Mattias.olsson5@ comhem.se writes:

Hi Chris, I am Mattias. Nice to meet you. Have you heard my band ?

--- On Mon, 9/28/09, Andy Thompson <andy.thompson@virgin.net> wrote:

From: Andy Thompson <andy.thompson@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Mellotron film in London...
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 28, 2009, 12:49 AM

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From: Mark Pring

To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 11:40 AM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Mellotron film in London...

I live in hope of finding some track with mellotron not listed on your site, thought I had found it in Keith Christmas "Forest and the Shore" but no

Heh heh :-) Actually, I keep getting new entries thrown at me. Haven't heard the Keith Christmas, but at least I've got it listed...

Andy

Not even a tron would save this little number!

Andy K


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From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:44
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

Andy Thompson wrote:

>> Indeed, but I believe we had a fairly recent debate on 'popularity in the world outside this list'. Just because someone sells millions of records doesn't mean anyone here's going to like them, or that said records will matter in the long run. They'll make their creators fairly rich and their record companies phenomenally rich(er), but are mostly artistically void. IMHO, of course.<<

Well, Andy - perhaps the point you made ought to have been 'who here gives a monkeys about...'. However, Dianna's film is I suspect not aimed at a small number of enthusiasts here and more at a large market of potentially interested audience. She'll include contemporary musicians because there is a fighting chance that this group of people will have actually have heard of him. I do not imagine the same could be said of The Strawbs.

Mike

Part of the union. Quite a catchy little pop song, not to be taken too seriously. If I was able to produce anything as good I would be quite happy and probably somewhat better off! . The main thing for me is to enjoy playing and listening to music. No harm in talking about it for entertainment.

Good luck with trying to interest the world in the mellotron. Much as I love it it is never in my opinion going to be anything other than a "cult" instrument with a small and somewhat obsessive following, in which I include myself. In my experience most people just don't notice them. If you do use them, using samples is easier and cheaper and hardly anybody in general population can tell the difference or care if they could.

Lets face it, if the mellotron was as ubiquitous as the piano or the yamaha psr series how many of us would be on this list?

Mark

From: kinchmnusic@aol.com <kinchmusic@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, September 28, 2009, 11:56 AM

All together now........

Oh... You don't get me I'm Part of the Union

You don't get me I'm Part of the Union
You don't get me I'm Part of the Union

'till the day I die. 'till the day I die!

Not even a tron would save this little number!

Andy K


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From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@ gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:44
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

Andy Thompson wrote:

>> Indeed, but I believe we had a fairly recent debate on 'popularity in the world outside this list'. Just because someone sells millions of records doesn't mean anyone here's going to like them, or that said records will matter in the long run. They'll make their creators fairly rich and their record companies phenomenally rich(er), but are mostly artistically void. IMHO, of course.<<

Well, Andy - perhaps the point you made ought to have been 'who here gives a monkeys about...'. However, Dianna's film is I suspect not aimed at a small number of enthusiasts here and more at a large market of potentially interested audience. She'll include contemporary musicians because there is a fighting chance that this group of people will have actually have heard of him. I do not imagine the same could be said of The Strawbs.

Mike

On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 10:55 PM, <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:

Hey,

Mattias is the real deal. I think when you turn 16 in Sweden, you are automatically offered a Mellotron. I'm guessing that Mattias has probably had at least one for the last 16 years or so, maybe much longer, perhaps since his late teens or early 20s. It is obvious that he cares a great deal for them as can be evidenced by the zillion videos he has posted on you tube. I was only kidding about the "Mattias come lately," comment. He is certainly not new to them, and although he is quite a bit younger than many of us on this list, I would wager that he has more playing/recording time on them than most of us. If Mattias had been in music in 1972, he most certainly would have been playing one then... and he is primarily a drummer (but a talented musician nonetheless ;?)

In a message dated 9/27/2009 3:34:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, markpringnz@yahoo.com writes:

Well I wouln't like to be around whilst you were having a dig at him!

>
>
> What flaws?

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, kinchmusic@... wrote:
>
> To our eternal shame!?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lsf5275@...
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 3:57
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...
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> Hey, you guys made it a chart topper, not us.
>
> ?
>
>
> In a message dated 9/27/2009 6:57:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kinchmusic@... writes:
>
>
> All together now........
>
> Oh... You don't get me I'm Part of the Union
>
> You don't get me I'm Part of the Union
> You don't get me I'm Part of the Union
>
> 'till the day I die. 'till the day I die!
>
>
>
> Not even a tron would save this little number!
>
> Andy K
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>
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> Hey, you guys made it a chart topper, not us.
>
> ?
>
>
> In a message dated 9/27/2009 6:57:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kinchmusic@... writes:
>
>
> All together now........
>
> Oh... You don't get me I'm Part of the Union
>
> You don't get me I'm Part of the Union
> You don't get me I'm Part of the Union
>
> 'till the day I die. 'till the day I die!
>
>
>
> Not even a tron would save this little number!
>
> Andy K
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Mike Dickson

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 9:44 PM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

Andy Thompson wrote:

>> Indeed, but I believe we had a fairly recent debate on 'popularity in the world outside this list'. Just because someone sells millions of records doesn't mean anyone here's going to like them, or that said records will matter in the long run. They'll make their creators fairly rich and their record companies phenomenally rich(er), but are mostly artistically void. IMHO, of course.<<

Well, Andy - perhaps the point you made ought to have been 'who here gives a monkeys about...'.

Well, I am actually writing for list members... No-one else is reading this stuff!

However, Dianna's film is I suspect not aimed at a small number of enthusiasts here and more at a large market of potentially interested audience. She'll include contemporary musicians because there is a fighting chance that this group of people will have actually have heard of him. I do not imagine the same could be said of The Strawbs.

Doubtless, but as someone else said (Mark?), how many people REALLY care about tape-replay instruments? I'm pleased she's made the film, but I'm not sure how many people are going to be interested in the 'outside world'. I have no problem with the contemporary musicians angle - the footage of Patrick Warren (?) 'playing' his Chamby's drive-wheel was fab.

----- Original Message -----

From: kinchmusic@aol.com

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:56 PM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

All together now........

Oh... You don't get me I'm Part of the Union

You don't get me I'm Part of the Union
You don't get me I'm Part of the Union

'till the day I die. 'till the day I die!

Not even a tron would save this little number!

Andy K

Cheers, Andy... :-( That's the second time that's come up in the last fortnight. :-)

Andy T.

----- Original Message -----

From: lsf5275@aol.com

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 3:24 AM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

Great. Must have been Blue Weaver... I think Hawken is gone again and getting him to play one was, to say then least, difficult.

It was Blue - lovely chap.

Frank

Proud parent of a M4000

In a message dated 9/27/2009 8:06:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, andy.thompson@virgin.net writes:

p.s. We supplied two Mellotrons for The Strawbs' 40th anniv.bash t'other week. Only used for three songs, but here's hoping they end up on the eventual DVD...

----- Original Message -----

From: lsf5275@aol.com

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 3:25 AM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Mellotron film in London...

I'm still waiting.

That's OK - I'm still crap. :-)

In a message dated 9/27/2009 8:06:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, andy.thompson@virgin.net writes:

I'll keep you posted, Frank :-) Still owe you that England promo from the second Mellofest, too...

Andy

----- Original Message -----

From: lsf5275@aol.com

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 3:47 AM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

That's what I thought of him too upon my first encounters with him. He is shy offstage and a wreck before going on stage. I learned never to bother speaking with hi before a show unless I was doing something to help set up that required his input. In quiet moments after performances of when there is no performance at hand, he can be very nice. My wife, who has met him twice, thinks he's an asshole who hasn't grasped the fact that his day has passed.

I found it to be quite the opposite with Woolly and the rest of Barclay James Harvest. Wooly and his band mated were very relaxed and easygoing right up until it was time to dim the lights. John Lees was the exception, but mainly because he had been bedridden with flu right up until show time. After the show, he was very quiet, but also humble and really nice.

In a message dated 9/27/2009 3:07:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kinchmusic@aol.com writes:

Dave Cousins just seems to be completely up himself, and rude to the point where I'm now reluctant to give him any more of my hard earned.

Having now met him a few times, I'd concur with the 'shy' theory, not to mention the 'stagefright' one. For all the gigs I did with Litmus, I never got stagefright, my theory being that I wasn't the 'responsible party', and no-one could hear me anyway. However, when I played with England's Robert Webb at the second Mellofest, I shat a brick... (prob.too much info. Sorry). Shyness is often mistaken for rudeness, I've observed. Woolly has a totally different personality. Speaing of which, I keep meaning to call him and get him to give me an interview on his M300 use throughout the BJH catalogue.

Andy T.

----- Original Message -----

From: lsf5275@aol.com

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:44 PM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

When you do, can I get a copy of that????

In a message dated 9/28/2009 5:07:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, andy.thompson@virgin.net writes:

Having now met him a few times, I'd concur with the 'shy' theory, not to mention the 'stagefright' one. For all the gigs I did with Litmus, I never got stagefright, my theory being that I wasn't the 'responsible party', and no-one could hear me anyway. However, when I played with England's Robert Webb at the second Mellofest, I shat a brick... (prob.too much info. Sorry). Shyness is often mistaken for rudeness, I've observed. Woolly has a totally different personality. Speaing of which, I keep meaning to call him and get him to give me an interview on his M300 use throughout the BJH catalogue.

Andy T.

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On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:39 AM, <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:

Chris,

To whom are you referring? Mattias? Please clarify.

Frank

In a message dated 9/28/2009 2:27:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com writes:

I believe you Frank,

Unfortunately....I have one more very important point to make that sadly has nothing to do with musicianship or clarifying opinions..... It has to do with ethics.

Mattias - I'm only going to ask this of you once, and I mean to ask in the most polite of ways:

I'd rather not see my posts (or anyone else's posts here) copied without their consent - to other mailing lists, 'mellotron' or otherwise - where they've been severely edited and the meaning is completely taken out of context - like this one on Facebook:

I just read this on the melllotron list...

The last thing the world needs are more "Johnny come lately musicians" espousing about how they use the mellotron or chamberlin sounds, or how great their band is because of it, or especially - how unique their samples are. I truly hope those tedious and painfully boring interviews are kept to a minimum, and that all the interesting history is finally told. Things have been out of balance in that area for way too long. "

I introduced myself.

You've taken my post about "Johnny come latelies" like Kanye West, Maroon 5, and turned it into a post about... you.

For what reason - I have no idea and I don't care.

This is 'shit disturbing' ....It's misleading. This isn't true at all - and it paints you in negative light if you actually did this deliberately to mislead others about content / intent being posted here. Your saving grace is you didn't mention me by name.

How are people supposed to trust you in any capacity when you go and do something like this?

Taking someone's post, editing it, and sending on to others to change it's meaning is totally unethical ---- especially since you didn't ask me to clarify it, or discuss it before forwarding. You just created your own context to suit.... you.

I sincerely hope you haven't been doing this kind of thing all along...with other people's posts here.

The fact is -- you've been on this list for years like the rest of us ---- you did not "introduce" yourself as someone new as you're suggesting. And I did not write in response to anything you said.....

So this says something about your 'character'. You're either a bit of a sneaky revisionist bastard or... you're paranoid.

I think everyone should be able to freely make posts here without having to worry about it showing up on other lists, and being "revised" to be used as something completely different.

There's an unstated privacy and etiquette that needs to be respected. And the posts I share are strictly for my friends and acquaintances here on this list and no one else.

If you want me to say something nasty about you on the Mellodrama Facebook list, pay me $20.00 and I'll try to come up with something obnoxious that gets you sympathy - if that's what you want.

So let's not have anymore "copying to other lists" or "revisionism of people's e- mails" okay?

If you have friends on other lists and they're curious about what goes on here - then I think you should ask them to join this one and remain lurkers.

If this happens again, I'm unsubscribing...

On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 10:55 PM, <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:

Hey,

Mattias is the real deal. I think when you turn 16 in Sweden, you are automatically offered a Mellotron. I'm guessing that Mattias has probably had at least one for the last 16 years or so, maybe much longer, perhaps since his late teens or early 20s. It is obvious that he cares a great deal for them as can be evidenced by the zillion videos he has posted on you tube. I was only kidding about the "Mattias come lately," comment. He is certainly not new to them, and although he is quite a bit younger than many of us on this list, I would wager that he has more playing/recording time on them than most of us. If Mattias had been in music in 1972, he most certainly would have been playing one then... and he is primarily a drummer (but a talented musician nonetheless ;?)

In a message dated 9/27/2009 3:34:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, markpringnz@yahoo.com writes:

Well I wouln't like to be around whilst you were having a dig at him!

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> Hmmm. The M300 used the same tape heads as the m400, and he was usually
> playing M300 A violins, then the pre amp/ line amp and how the music was
> recorded seem to be the only variables.
>
>
> In a message dated 9/29/2009 4:58:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> markpringnz@... writes:
>
> Although I can get many different sounds out of #1565 the BJH Live sound
> is still not one of them.
>

I was just going to ask if the heads are the same. Is the M300 preamp different from the M400 preamp?

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com> , lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> Hmmm. The M300 used the same tape heads as the m400, and he was usually
> playing M300 A violins, then the pre amp/ line amp and how the music was
> recorded seem to be the only variables.
>
>
> In a message dated 9/29/2009 4:58:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> markpringnz@... writes:
>
> Although I can get many different sounds out of #1565 the BJH Live sound
> is still not one of them.
>

Didn’t Wooly take the send out of the reverb channel of the M300? I notice a big difference when I run the tron straight through reverb without mixing it with any direct signal.


I was just going to ask if the heads are the same. Is the M300 preamp different from the M400 preamp?

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com> , lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> Hmmm. The M300 used the same tape heads as the m400, and he was usually
> playing M300 A violins, then the pre amp/ line amp and how the music was
> recorded seem to be the only variables.
>
>
> In a message dated 9/29/2009 4:58:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> markpringnz@... writes:
>
> Although I can get many different sounds out of #1565 the BJH Live sound
> is still not one of them.
>

> You're lucky I'm not the moderator here. Your sneaky dishonest ass would be gone.

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Tom Doncourt <tomdcour@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I was just going to ask if the heads are the same. Is the M300 preamp
> > different from the M400 preamp?
> >
> > Bernie
> >
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com> , lsf5275@ wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hmmm. The M300 used the same tape heads as the m400, and he was usually
> >> > playing M300 A violins, then the pre amp/ line amp and how the music was
> >> > recorded seem to be the only variables.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > In a message dated 9/29/2009 4:58:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> >> > markpringnz@ writes:
> >> >
> >> > Although I can get many different sounds out of #1565 the BJH Live sound
> >> > is still not one of them.
> >> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Thanks John,

I think that explains why I can't get the sound I want on my M400 and I'll stop trying.

Mark

--- On Wed, 9/30/09, md1jkb <j.k.beresford@shef.ac.uk> wrote:

From: md1jkb <j.k.beresford@shef.ac.uk>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 9:21 PM

Hi,
I have both an M300 and M400 and yes the pre amps in the M300 are peculiar only to that model and the SFX consoles (and are mounted directly behind the volume pots on the control panel). The M400 WME preamps definately sound brighter and the line amp is a diferent design as well. Also on the M300 by turning the main leads volume completely down and the reverb level control up you hear just the signal going through the reverb which is the Galadriel sound. If you increase the leads volume on the front panel to mix in with the reverb but them back off the footpedal you get the same effect - so on Galadriel you hear Woolly playing initially just through the spring line but then just before the verse he brings the footpedal and you hear the dry signal coming in to the mix.

bw
John

--- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, Tom Doncourt <tomdcour@.. .> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I was just going to ask if the heads are the same. Is the M300 preamp
> > different from the M400 preamp?
> >
> > Bernie
> >
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> > <mailto:newmellotro ngroup%40yahoogr oups.com> , lsf5275@ wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hmmm. The M300 used the same tape heads as the m400, and he was usually
> >> > playing M300 A violins, then the pre amp/ line amp and how the music was
> >> > recorded seem to be the only variables.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > In a message dated 9/29/2009 4:58:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> >> > markpringnz@ writes:
> >> >
> >> > Although I can get many different sounds out of #1565 the BJH Live sound
> >> > is still not one of them.
> >> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:41 PM, ClayE <ecclesreinson@rogers.com> wrote:

I am BORED to death with this story Chris. Please take your issue with Mattias offline. Nobody gives a shit about it here but you.

I will not be removing anyone from this group. Mattias is welcome to post messages here anytime. Hopefully you haven't frightened him away.

Clay

That was better than the chocolate chip scone I just had for breakfast.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> Clay,
>
> Before we close out this subject, I want to say that some of Chris' points
> were well made. I too think Dianna should have further investigated the
> background a little more. It's not just about Harry Chamberlin or Chilton &
> his partner Irving Talentmaker. There's so much more...
>
> I would have liked to see the film include more on what lead up to using
> recording tape to play back other peoples instruments. Perhaps a small
> section explaining how recording tape stores and plays back sound. Actually, I've
> always wondered how they get the oxide to stick to the tape. Oh, and how
> the oxide was invented... who thought that up?
>
> When one thinks about Harry Chamberlin, who doesn't wonder about that
> garage where he made his first instruments. Who built the garage? Did Harry's
> wife (Ethel) ever yell at him to stop fooling with his inventions and wash up
> for lunch?
>
> And Optigans... They have to be in the film so that people know that there
> was actually a shittier way to reproduce real instrument sounds for
> playback on a keyboard than the Mellotron. Where's the fucking perspective? How
> else would people actually know that Harry's technology reached its pinnacle
> with the Mellotron and that any attempts to advance beyond that were just a
> giant nosedive into a pile of crap.
>
> God love the M4000, but it is, after all just a brand new Edsel with a
> better motor, stickier tires and a substantially larger trunk (boot). *
>
> So if your going to make a movie about Mellotron, fuck Kanye, tell us more
> about something important, like how Harry Chamberlin came up with the idea
> to house the mechanics in a Formica box years before Jimmy Moore stole the
> idea for his Mellotron.
>
> Was Mattel the only toy maker to try to build a crappy Mellotron rip off,
> or was Hasbro thinking of getting into the business as well? Where's the
> research I ask you? Where is the perspective.
>
> Do you realize that there's video out there of Mattias Olsen playing wine
> glasses on his Mellotron? Where does anyone thank Ben F**king Franklin for
> actually playing music on real wine glasses 250 years before Mattias even
> existed? Where's the perspective?
>
> Mellotrons should be like Harleys... Only old fuckers should have one.
>
> Frank
>
> My Mellotron
>
>
> My Harley (Yeah, it's a Shovel Head)
>
>
> * I love mine so no one freak out.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 9/29/2009 10:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> ecclesreinson@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> --- In _newmellotrongroup@newmellotronnew_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) , Chris Dale wrote:
> > You're lucky I'm not the moderator here. Your sneaky dishonest ass would
> be gone.
>
> I am BORED to death with this story Chris. Please take your issue with
> Mattias offline. Nobody gives a shit about it here but you.
>
> I will not be removing anyone from this group. Mattias is welcome to post
> messages here anytime. Hopefully you haven't frightened him away.
>
> Clay
>

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "md1jkb" <j.k.beresford@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I have both an M300 and M400 and yes the pre amps in the M300 are peculiar only to that model and the SFX consoles (and are mounted directly behind the volume pots on the control panel). The M400 WME preamps definately sound brighter and the line amp is a diferent design as well. Also on the M300 by turning the main leads volume completely down and the reverb level control up you hear just the signal going through the reverb which is the Galadriel sound. If you increase the leads volume on the front panel to mix in with the reverb but them back off the footpedal you get the same effect - so on Galadriel you hear Woolly playing initially just through the spring line but then just before the verse he brings the footpedal and you hear the dry signal coming in to the mix.
>
> bw
> John
>
>
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Tom Doncourt <tomdcour@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I was just going to ask if the heads are the same. Is the M300 preamp
> > > different from the M400 preamp?
> > >
> > > Bernie
> > >
> > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com> , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Hmmm. The M300 used the same tape heads as the m400, and he was usually
> > >> > playing M300 A violins, then the pre amp/ line amp and how the music was
> > >> > recorded seem to be the only variables.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > In a message dated 9/29/2009 4:58:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > >> > markpringnz@ writes:
> > >> >
> > >> > Although I can get many different sounds out of #1565 the BJH Live sound
> > >> > is still not one of them.
> > >> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "dan_miso" <dan_miso@...> wrote:
>
> That was a very good and informative explanation, John.
>
> Now what can I do with with my m400's and Lexicon MX100 reverb to get a similar sound?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dan
>
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "md1jkb" <j.k.beresford@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > I have both an M300 and M400 and yes the pre amps in the M300 are peculiar only to that model and the SFX consoles (and are mounted directly behind the volume pots on the control panel). The M400 WME preamps definately sound brighter and the line amp is a diferent design as well. Also on the M300 by turning the main leads volume completely down and the reverb level control up you hear just the signal going through the reverb which is the Galadriel sound. If you increase the leads volume on the front panel to mix in with the reverb but them back off the footpedal you get the same effect - so on Galadriel you hear Woolly playing initially just through the spring line but then just before the verse he brings the footpedal and you hear the dry signal coming in to the mix.
> >
> > bw
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Tom Doncourt <tomdcour@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I was just going to ask if the heads are the same. Is the M300 preamp
> > > > different from the M400 preamp?
> > > >
> > > > Bernie
> > > >
> > > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > > > <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com> , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Hmmm. The M300 used the same tape heads as the m400, and he was usually
> > > >> > playing M300 A violins, then the pre amp/ line amp and how the music was
> > > >> > recorded seem to be the only variables.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > In a message dated 9/29/2009 4:58:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > >> > markpringnz@ writes:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Although I can get many different sounds out of #1565 the BJH Live sound
> > > >> > is still not one of them.
> > > >> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Ahhh. I though I had given up on that sound. Hadn't thought of that, one more try.

--- On Thu, 10/1/09, ClayE <ecclesreinson@rogers.com> wrote:

From: ClayE <ecclesreinson@rogers.com>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: M300 sound
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 2:40 AM

Dan:
Run TWO outputs from your M400. Send one output to the Lexicon and set the reverb 100% WET. Send the second output through a volume pedal. Send the Lexicon output and the DRY volume pedal output to a mixer or a two channel amp. Adjust the two levels to your taste.

That will give you the same effect as the M300 reverb. With the volume pedal, you can fade the dry signal in and out of a consistent wall of reverb. Some of the Lexicon 'cathedral' or 'large church' reverbs ring on for 5 seconds or more.

Warning: If this technique gives you an erection that lasts more than four hours, call Dr. Martin Smith.

Clay

--- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, "dan_miso" <dan_miso@.. .> wrote:
>
> That was a very good and informative explanation, John.
>
> Now what can I do with with my m400's and Lexicon MX100 reverb to get a similar sound?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dan
>
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, "md1jkb" <j.k.beresford@ > wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > I have both an M300 and M400 and yes the pre amps in the M300 are peculiar only to that model and the SFX consoles (and are mounted directly behind the volume pots on the control panel). The M400 WME preamps definately sound brighter and the line amp is a diferent design as well. Also on the M300 by turning the main leads volume completely down and the reverb level control up you hear just the signal going through the reverb which is the Galadriel sound. If you increase the leads volume on the front panel to mix in with the reverb but them back off the footpedal you get the same effect - so on Galadriel you hear Woolly playing initially just through the spring line but then just before the verse he brings the footpedal and you hear the dry signal coming in to the mix.
> >
> > bw
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, Tom Doncourt <tomdcour@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I was just going to ask if the heads are the same. Is the M300 preamp
> > > > different from the M400 preamp?
> > > >
> > > > Bernie
> > > >
> > > > --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > <mailto:newmellotro ngroup%40yahoogr oups.com> , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Hmmm. The M300 used the same tape heads as the m400, and he was usually
> > > >> > playing M300 A violins, then the pre amp/ line amp and how the music was
> > > >> > recorded seem to be the only variables.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > In a message dated 9/29/2009 4:58:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > >> > markpringnz@ writes:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Although I can get many different sounds out of #1565 the BJH Live sound
> > > >> > is still not one of them.
> > > >> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "ClayE" <ecclesreinson@...> wrote:
>
> Dan:
> Run TWO outputs from your M400. Send one output to the Lexicon and set the reverb 100% WET. Send the second output through a volume pedal. Send the Lexicon output and the DRY volume pedal output to a mixer or a two channel amp. Adjust the two levels to your taste.
>
> That will give you the same effect as the M300 reverb. With the volume pedal, you can fade the dry signal in and out of a consistent wall of reverb. Some of the Lexicon 'cathedral' or 'large church' reverbs ring on for 5 seconds or more.
>
> Warning: If this technique gives you an erection that lasts more than four hours, call Dr. Martin Smith.
>
> Clay
>
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "dan_miso" <dan_miso@> wrote:
> >
> > That was a very good and informative explanation, John.
> >
> > Now what can I do with with my m400's and Lexicon MX100 reverb to get a similar sound?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "md1jkb" <j.k.beresford@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > > I have both an M300 and M400 and yes the pre amps in the M300 are peculiar only to that model and the SFX consoles (and are mounted directly behind the volume pots on the control panel). The M400 WME preamps definately sound brighter and the line amp is a diferent design as well. Also on the M300 by turning the main leads volume completely down and the reverb level control up you hear just the signal going through the reverb which is the Galadriel sound. If you increase the leads volume on the front panel to mix in with the reverb but them back off the footpedal you get the same effect - so on Galadriel you hear Woolly playing initially just through the spring line but then just before the verse he brings the footpedal and you hear the dry signal coming in to the mix.
> > >
> > > bw
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Tom Doncourt <tomdcour@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I was just going to ask if the heads are the same. Is the M300 preamp
> > > > > different from the M400 preamp?
> > > > >
> > > > > Bernie
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com> , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Hmmm. The M300 used the same tape heads as the m400, and he was usually
> > > > >> > playing M300 A violins, then the pre amp/ line amp and how the music was
> > > > >> > recorded seem to be the only variables.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > In a message dated 9/29/2009 4:58:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > > >> > markpringnz@ writes:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Although I can get many different sounds out of #1565 the BJH Live sound
> > > > >> > is still not one of them.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Rick Blechta <rick@...> wrote:
>
>
> On Sep 30, 2009, at 2:14 PM, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> > I run my Trons dry into a Mackie 12 channel mixer, then loop it out
> > and through an Alesis Nanoverb and back into the mixer on a
> > different channel. I pan the separate channels left and right and
> > can activate the reverb with a foot switch. It gives a very
> > interesting sound, with the reverb saturation control right at my
> > fingertips.
>
> I ran my tron dry into a Mixmaster set on low for 30 seconds, then
> slowly mixed in 30 pounds of creamed butter, 16 1/2 pounds of sugar, a
> pinch of salt, three dozen beaten eggs, a teaspoon or two of vanilla
> extract and around 60 pounds of flour. I got some VERY interesting
> cookies after baking for 20 minutes in a 325 degree oven. Had a hard
> time finding an oven big enough and we were still pulling bits of tape
> from our teeth a month later...
>

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> Radio Shack or Guitar center. One into two. Or, you can buy a 1/4 inch jack
> and solder it to the existing line out and plug them both in. If you don't
> use the swell pedal jack,it can be quickly modified to continue to provide
> a signal to the line out even if it is in use as a line out.
>
>
> In a message dated 9/30/2009 2:20:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> dan_miso@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Wow, thanks Clay!
>
> Any idea where I could get get an adaptor to run out 2 outputs from the
> 'trons?
>

Movies have critics…books have critics…music has critics…there is nothing wrong in Frank having an opinion on the film.

Personally I have not seen the film but if it’s about the Mellotron than I think Rick Wakeman, who is one of the artists

who made the Mellotron famous, should have been in the film. He burned his in a bonfire out of frustration from their

unreliability….that would have been a good scene for perspective. There is nothing wrong in criticizing this film or any

other and I don’t think Frank had ant malice in his intent…he was just expressing his opinion. Haven’t you ever had an

opinion on anything? Do you have to make a film to have an opinion on one?

From: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:newmellotro ngroup@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of skipsnips@aol. com
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:07 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

I would have liked to see the film include...
Perhaps a small sectio n...

They have to be in the film...

So if your going to make a movie...

Do you realize that there's video out there...

Where's the research I ask you? Where is the perspective.

I think it's really neat that you have opinions, Frank, but second-guessing someone who has just completed what obviously was a labor of love is kinda cheap. We're gonna be seeing your film when? Skip

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec. net>
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com <newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:34 am
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

“Mellotrons should be like Harleys”……Great analogy Frank!!

From: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol. com
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:14 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

Clay,

Before we close out this subject, I want to say that some of Chris' points were well made. I too think Dianna should have further investigated the background a little more. It's not just about Harry Chamberlin or Chilton & his partner Irving Talentmaker. There's so much more...

I would have liked to see the film include more on what lead up to using recording tape to play back other peoples instruments. Perhaps a small sectio n explaining how recording tape stores and plays back sound. Actually, I've always wondered how they get the oxide to stick to the tape. Oh, and how the oxide was invented... who thought that up?

When one thinks about Harry Chamberlin, who doesn't wonder about that garage where he made his first instruments. Who built the garage? Did Harry's wife (Ethel) ever yell at him to stop fooling with his inventions and wash up for lunch?

And Optigans... They have to be in the film so that people know that there was actually a shittier way to reproduce real instrument sounds for playback on a keyboard than the Mellotron. Where's the fucking perspective? How else would people actually know that Harry's technology reached its pinnacle with the Mellotron and that any attempts to advance beyond that were just a giant nosedive into a pile of crap.

God love the M4000, but it is, after all just a brand new Edsel with a better motor, stickier tires and a substantially larger trunk (boot). *

So if your going to make a movie about Mellotron, fuck Kanye, tell us more about something important, like how Harry Chamberlin came up with the idea to house the mechanics in a Formica box years before Jimmy Moore stole the idea for his Mellotron.

Was Mattel the only toy maker to try to build a crappy Mellotron rip off, or was Hasbro thinking of getting into the business as well? Where's the research I ask you? Where is the perspective.

Do you realize that there's video out there of Mattias Olsen playing wine glasses on his Mellotron? Where does anyone thank Ben F**king Franklin for actually playing music on real wine glasses 250 years before Mattias even existed? Where's the perspective?

Mellotrons should be like Harleys... Only old fuckers should have one.

Frank

My Mellotron

My Harley (Yeah, it's a Shovel Head)

* I love mine so no one freak out.

In a message dated 9/29/2009 10:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ecclesreinson@ rogers.com writes:

--- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, Chris Dale wrote:
> You're lucky I'm not the moderator here. Your sneaky dishonest ass would be gone.

I am BORED to death with this story Chris. Please take your issue with Mattias offline. Nobody gives a shit about it here but you.

I will not be removing anyone from this group. Mattias is welcome to post messages here anytime. Hopefully you haven't frightened him away.

Clay

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, skipsnips@... wrote:
>
> I would have liked to see the film include...
> Perhaps a small sectio n...
> They have to be in the film...
>
> So if your going to make a movie...
>
> Do you realize that there's video out there...
>
> Where's the research I ask you? Where is the perspective.
>
>
>
>
> I think it's really neat that you have opinions, Frank, but second-guessing someone who has just completed what obviously was a labor of love is kinda cheap. Â We're gonna be seeing your film when? Â Â Skip
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Brumm <gabru@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:34 am
> Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...
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> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@...
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:14 PM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...
>
>
>
> Â
>
>
> Clay,
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>
> Before we close out this subject, I want to say that some of Chris' points were well made. I too think Dianna should have further investigated the background a little more. It's not just about Harry Chamberlin or Chilton & his partner Irving Talentmaker. There's so much more...
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> And Optigans... They have to be in the film so that people know that there was actually a shittier way to reproduce real instrument sounds for playback on a keyboard than the Mellotron. Where's the fucking perspective? How else would people actually know that Harry's technology reached its pinnacle with the Mellotron and that any attempts to advance beyond that were just a giant nosedive into a pile of crap.
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> In a message dated 9/29/2009 10:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ecclesreinson@... writes:
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> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Chris Dale wrote:
> > You're lucky I'm not the moderator here. Your sneaky dishonest ass would be gone.
>
> I am BORED to death with this story Chris. Please take your issue with Mattias offline. Nobody gives a shit about it here but you.
>
> I will not be removing anyone from this group. Mattias is welcome to post messages here anytime. Hopefully you haven't frightened him away.
>
> Clay
>

Critical reviews don't have phrases like "so if you're going to make a movie..." Since, I'm assuming, Frank hasn't made one, he has no idea of what he's talking about. Opinions should be well-grounded; venting your spleen doesn't need to be, but it opens you up to discussions like this one.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Sep 30, 2009 12:22 pm
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

Movies have critics…books have critics…music has critics…there is nothing wrong in Frank having an opinion on the film.

Personally I have not seen the film but if it’s about the Mellotron than I think Rick Wakeman, who is one of the artists

who made the Mellotron famous, should have been in the film. He burned his in a bonfire out of frustration from their

unreliability….that would have been a good scene for perspective. There is nothing wrong in criticizing this film or any

other and I don’t think Frank had ant malice in his intent…he was just expressing his opinion. Haven’t you ever had an

opinion on anything? Do you have to make a film to have an opinion on one?

From: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:newmellotro ngroup@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of skipsnips@aol. com
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:07 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

I would have liked to see the film include...
Perhaps a small sectio n...

They have to be in the film...

So if your going to make a movie...

Do you realize that there's video out there...

Where's the research I ask you? Where is the perspective.

I think it's really neat that you have opinions, Frank, but second-guessing someone who has just completed what obviously was a labor of love is kinda cheap. We're gonna be seeing your film when? Skip

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec. net>
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com <newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:34 am
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

“Mellotrons should be like Harleys”……Great analogy Frank!!

From: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol. com
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:14 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

Clay,

Before we close out this subject, I want to say that some of Chris' points were well made. I too think Dianna should have further investigated the background a little more. It's not just about Harry Chamberlin or Chilton & his partner Irving Talentmaker. There's so much more...

I would have liked to see the film include more on what lead up to using recording tape to play back other peoples instruments. Perhaps a small sectio n explaining how recording tape stores and plays back sound. Actually, I've always wondered how they get the oxide to stick to the tape. Oh, and how the oxide was invented... who thought that up?

When one thinks about Harry Chamberlin, who doesn't wonder about that garage where he made his first instruments. Who built the garage? Did Harry's wife (Ethel) ever yell at him to stop fooling with his inventions and wash up for lunch?

And Optigans... They have to be in the film so that people know that there was actually a shittier way to reproduce real instrument sounds for playback on a keyboard than the Mellotron. Where's the fucking perspective? How else would people actually know that Harry's technology reached its pinnacle with the Mellotron and that any attempts to advance beyond that were just a giant nosedive into a pile of crap.

God love the M4000, but it is, after all just a brand new Edsel with a better motor, stickier tires and a substantially larger trunk (boot). *

So if your going to make a movie about Mellotron, fuck Kanye, tell us more about something important, like how Harry Chamberlin came up with the idea to house the mechanics in a Formica box years before Jimmy Moore stole the idea for his Mellotron.

Was Mattel the only toy maker to try to build a crappy Mellotron rip off, or was Hasbro thinking of getting into the business as well? Where's the research I ask you? Where is the perspective.

Do you realize that there's video out there of Mattias Olsen playing wine glasses on his Mellotron? Where does anyone thank Ben F**king Franklin for actually playing music on real wine glasses 250 years before Mattias even existed? Where's the perspective?

Mellotrons should be like Harleys... Only old fuckers should have one.

Frank

My Mellotron

My Harley (Yeah, it's a Shovel Head)

* I love mine so no one freak out.

In a message dated 9/29/2009 10:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ecclesreinson@ rogers.com writes:

--- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, Chris Dale wrote:
> You're lucky I'm not the moderator here. Your sneaky dishonest ass would be gone.

I am BORED to death with this story Chris. Please take your issue with Mattias offline. Nobody gives a shit about it here but you.

I will not be removing anyone from this group. Mattias is welcome to post messages here anytime. Hopefully you haven't frightened him away.

Clay

-- 

Yes I owned several…they were an extremely dependable car……I also owned several British cars…the Triumph Spitfire is a much better

analogy to the Mellotron….no matter how much you serviced it you could still count on it to let you down….it was however a lot of

fun to drive when it was running….but I spent so much time pushing it I felt like burning it in a bonfire J I also had a Jag XKE……

…same story….LOTS of fun to drive…may it RIP……….

From: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:newmellotro ngroup@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of John Wright
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:56 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

I'd bet there are a lot of folks on this list that are, or were, Volkswagen owners. I'm talking about the aircooled variety. If you did not maintain them, you were hosed.

John

#911

From: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:newmellotro ngroup@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Gary Brumm
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 12:34 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

“Mellotrons should be like Harleys”……Great analogy Frank!!

From: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:newmellotro ngroup@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol. com
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:14 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@ ya hoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

Clay,

Before we close out this subject, I want to say that some of Chris' points were well made. I too think Dianna should have further investigated the background a little more. It's not just about Harry Chamberlin or Chilton & his partner Irving Talentmaker. There's so much more...

I would have liked to see the film include more on what lead up to using recording tape to play back other peoples instruments. Perhaps a small section explaining how recording tape stores and plays back sound. Actually, I've always wondered how they get the oxide to stick to the tape. Oh, and how the oxide was invented... who thought that up?

When one thinks about Harry Chamberlin, who doesn't wonder about that garage where he made his first instruments. Who built the garage? Did Harry's wife (Ethel) ever yell at him to stop fooling with his inventions and wash up for lunch?

And Optigans... They have to be in the film so that people know that there was actually a shittier way to reproduce real instrument sounds for playback on a keyboard than the Mellotron. Where's the fucking perspective? How else would people actually know that Harry's technology reached its pinnacle with the Mellotron and that any attempts to advance beyond that were just a giant nosedive into a pile of crap.

God love the M4000, but it is, after all just a brand new Edsel with a better motor, stickier tires and a substantially larger trunk (boot). *

So if your going to make a movie about Mellotron, fuck Kanye, tell us more about something important, like how Harry Chamberlin came up with the id e a to house the mechanics in a Formica box years before Jimmy Moore stole the idea for his Mellotron.

Was Mattel the only toy maker to try to build a crappy Mellotron rip off, or was Hasbro thinking of getting into the business as well? Where's the research I ask you? Where is the perspective.

Do you realize that there's video out there of Mattias Olsen playing wine glasses on his Mellotron? Where does anyone thank Ben F**king Franklin for actually playing music on real wine glasses 250 years before Mattias even existed? Where's the perspective?

Mellotrons should be like Harleys... Only old fuckers should have one.

Frank

My Mellotron

My Harley (Yeah, it's a Shovel Head)

* I love mine so no one freak out.

In a message dated 9/29/2009 10:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ecclesreinson@ rogers.com writes:

--- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, Chris Dale wrote:
> You're lucky I'm not the moderator here. Your sneaky dishonest ass would be gone.

I am BORED to death with this story Chris. Please take your issue with Mattias offline. Nobody gives a shit about it here but you.

I will not be removing anyone from this group. Mattias is welcome to post messages here anytime. Hopefully you haven't frightened him away.

Clay

-- 
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

Free Music Project: http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/ 
Or http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson
Or http://soundcloud.com/mikedickson
Or http://www.planetmellotron.com/revd4.htm#mikedickson

I run my Trons dry into a Mackie 12 channel mixer, then loop it out and through an Alesis Nanoverb and back into the mixer on a different channel. I pan the separate channels left and right and can activate the reverb with a foot switch. It gives a very interesting sound, with the reverb saturation control right at my fingertips.

In a message dated 9/30/2009 2:09:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, markpringnz@ yahoo.com writes:

Ahhh. I though I had given up on that sound. Hadn't thought of that, one more try.

-- 
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

Free Music Project: http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/ 
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I, for one, think the burning Mellotron story is bullshit. Wakeman made it up because its another great Wakeman story. I believe he is even starting to distance himself from that one.

In a message dated 9/30/2009 2:55:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mike.dickson@ gmail.com writes:

Personally, I'd quite like to see Rick Wakeman on a bonfire.

Not because of his Mellotron stunt, just because he's a twat.

-- 
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

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Thank you Mike for that great example of an opinion! J

I don’t know Rick Wakeman personally but being talented and being a twat are not mutually exclusive for sure…….

From: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:newmellotro ngroup@yahoogrou ps.com] On Behalf Of Mike Dickson
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:55 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

Personally, I'd quite like to see Rick Wakeman on a bonfire.

Not because of his Mellotron stunt, just because he's a twat.

Gary Brumm wrote:

Movies have critics…books have critics…music has critics…there is nothing wrong in Frank having an opinion on the film.

Personally I have not seen the film but if it’s about the Mellotron than I think Rick Wakeman, who is one of the artists

who made the Mellotron famous, should have been in the film. He burned his in a bonfire out of frustration from their

unreliability….that would have been a good scene for perspective. There is nothing wrong in criticizing this film or any

other and I don’t think Frank had ant malice in his intent…he was just expressing his opinion. Haven’t you ever had an

opinion on anything? Do you have to make a film to have an opinion on one?

From: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of skipsnips@aol. com
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:07 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

I would have liked to see the film include...
Perhaps a small sectio n...

They have to be in the film...

So if your going to make a movie...

Do you realize that there's video out there...

Where's the research I ask you? Where is the perspective.

I think it's really neat that you have opinions, Frank, but second-guessing someone who has just completed what obviously was a labor of love is kinda cheap. We're gonna be seeing your film when? Skip

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec. net>
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com <newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Wed, Sep 30, 2009 11:34 am
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

“Mellotrons should be like Harleys”……Great analogy Frank!!

From: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of lsf5275@aol. com
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:14 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Mellotron film in London...

Clay,

Before we close out this subject, I want to say that some of Chris' points were well made. I too think Dianna should have further investigated the background a little more. It's not just about Harry Chamberlin or Chilton & his partner Irving Talentmaker. There's so much more...

I would have liked to see the film include more on what lead up to using recording tape to play back other peoples instruments. Perhaps a small sectio n explaining how recording tape stores and plays back sound. Actually, I've always wondered how they get the oxide to stick to the tape. Oh, and how the oxide was invented... who thought that up?

When one thinks about Harry Chamberlin, who doesn't wonder about that garage where he made his first instruments. Who built the garage? Did Harry's wife (Ethel) ever yell at him to stop fooling with his inventions and wash up for lunch?

And Optigans... They have to be in the film so that people know that there was actually a shittier way to reproduce real instrument sounds for playback on a keyboard than the Mellotron. Where's the fucking perspective? How else would people actually know that Harry's technology reached its pinnacle with the Mellotron and that any attempts to advance beyond that were just a giant nosedive into a pile of crap.

God love the M4000, but it is, after all just a brand new Edsel with a better motor, stickier tires and a substantially larger trunk (boot). *

So if your going to make a movie about Mellotron, fuck Kanye, tell us more about something important, like how Harry Chamberlin came up with the idea to house the mechanics in a Formica box years before Jimmy Moore stole the idea for his Mellotron.

Was Mattel the only toy maker to try to build a crappy Mellotron rip off, or was Hasbro thinking of getting into the business as well? Where's the research I ask you? Where is the perspective.

Do you realize that there's video out there of Mattias Olsen playing wine glasses on his Mellotron? Where does anyone thank Ben F**king Franklin for actually playing music on real wine glasses 250 years before Mattias even existed? Where's the perspective?

Mellotrons should be like Harleys... Only old fuckers should have one.

Frank

My Mellotron

My Harley (Yeah, it's a Shovel Head)

* I love mine so no one freak out.

In a message dated 9/29/2009 10:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ecclesreinson@ rogers.com writes:

--- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, Chris Dale wrote:
> You're lucky I'm not the moderator here. Your sneaky dishonest ass would be gone.

I am BORED to death with this story Chris. Please take your issue with Mattias offline. Nobody gives a shit about it here but you.

I will not be removing anyone from this group. Mattias is welcome to post messages here anytime. Hopefully you haven't frightened him away.

Clay

-- 
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

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Twat. One of my very favourite words. It's even better than bollocks, a word I have high regard for. Coupled together as in 'the twat is talking bollocks', you have the perfect summary with no ambiguity.

Martin

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-- 
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

Free Music Project: http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/ 
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