The Mellotron Group

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> I recently had the privilege of seeing a band called Moon Safari live
> at ROSfest. They are a young alternative/progressive band from Sweden.
> They put on an amazing show. Imagine The vocal harmonies of the
> vintage Beach Boys coupled progressive pop and tons of Mellotron.
> Excellent musicianship throughout. I purchased their new double CD,
> "Blomljud." It's great.
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> http://www.myspace.com/wespintheworld
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> Go here and listen to Ghosts of Flowers Past.
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> Frank

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
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> _www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi3cEzJnmWI_
> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi3cEzJnmWI)
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----- Original Message -----

From: lsf5275@aol.com

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com ; Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 5:01 PM

Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tronspotting

Even credited on the album

www.youtube. com/watch? v=Vi3cEzJnmWI

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From: fdoddy@aol.com

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 3:59 AM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tronspotting

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, fdoddy@... wrote:
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> Here's a guilty admission for you. I don't mind the latest Coldplay album. Eno did a nice job. There are some adventurous cuts buried in there.
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> From: ClayE <ecclesreinson@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, Dec 1, 2009 5:23 pm
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tronspotting
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> Sounds like a Coldplay song. You know... the one that sounds like somebody else's song, that sounds like another song, that sounds like the Beatles. Nice M Flute tho.
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> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@ wrote:
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> > _www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi3cEzJnmWI_
> > (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi3cEzJnmWI)
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----- Original Message -----

From: lsf5275@aol.com

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 2:14 PM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tronspotting

I couldn't agree more, Andy.

Frank

I have no idea why my posts sometimes come out blank... Maybe Yahoo! deletes their content on the grounds of tedium? What I tried to say was...

Fritz

Any idea who played the Mellotron on the Leona Lewis track? No obvious references online.

Andy T.

----- Original Message -----

From: fdoddy@aol.com

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 11:22 PM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tronspotting

Ok, so I guess Bobby McFerrin, Cecilia Bartoli, Luther Vandross, Patsy Cline, Karen Carpenter and Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan aren't musicians then?

Tony, you have a very small mind

oh, and I guess turntables aren't musical instruments either?


fritz....singer/ songwriter

-----Original Message-----
From: tony1 <atm655@verizon. net>
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com; Mellotronists@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, Dec 1, 2009 6:18 pm
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tronspotting

Well titled, it's TOTAL rubbish to me.

Singers are NOT musicians to me.

Tony

----- Original Message -----

From: lsf5275@aol. com

To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com ; Mellotronists@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 5:01 PM

Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tronspotting

Even credited on the album

www.youtube. com/watch? v=Vi3cEzJnmWI

----- Original Message -----

From: fdoddy@aol.com

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 4:18 PM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tronspotting

Ryan Tedder produced the track, played many of the instruments including the tron at Abbey Road Studios.

Thanks Fritz - the album's predictablt bland, but compared to most of the jokers on that terrible show, she can actually sing.

Andy T.

Even credited on the album

www.youtube. com/watch? v=Vi3cEzJnmWI

Singers are NOT musicians to me.

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> I think almost everyone here would agree. The human voice is the greatest
> of all instruments.
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From: Mark Wallis <markstuartwallis@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tronspotting
To: "new trongroup" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 6:54 PM

I just wish mine was polyphonic. I could sound like 4 off-key Steve Howes all gargling at once.

Love and Scones,

msw/M400 #151

To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
From: lsf5275@aol. com
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:25:42 -0500
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tronspotting

I think almost everyone here would agree. The human voice is the greatest of all instruments.

In a message dated 12/2/2009 6:00:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mike.dickson@ gmail.com writes:

You're insane.

View your other email accounts from your Hotmail inbox. Add them now.

> Harmonic singing anyone? Pretty easy to do, hard to master
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGbFB91eM34
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> cue to 1:14. This is a simple example. I've heard folks do it amazingly well.
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> fritz
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--- On Wed, 12/2/09, tony1 <atm655@verizon.net> wrote:

From: tony1 <atm655@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tronspotting
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 12:18 PM

Well titled, it's TOTAL rubbish to me.

Singers are NOT musicians to me.

Tony

----- Original Message -----

From: lsf5275@aol. com

To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com ; Mellotronists@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 5:01 PM

Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tronspotting

Even credited on the album

www.youtube. com/watch? v=Vi3cEzJnmWI

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> In a message dated 12/5/2009 12:15:02 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
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> What do you call a drummer without a girlfriend?
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--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Mark Pring <markpringnz@...> wrote:
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> What about drummers?
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> --- On Wed, 12/2/09, tony1 <atm655@...> wrote:
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> From: tony1 <atm655@...>
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tronspotting
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 12:18 PM
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
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On Dec 5, 2009, at 7:20 AM, Tron400 wrote:

Q. How can you tell when a drummer's at the door?
A. The knocking speeds up.

OK, just to be fair:

Q. What do you call someone who hangs out with musicians?
A. The lead singer.

----- Original Message -----

From: Rick Blechta

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 4:42 PM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tronspotting

Q: What's the difference between a bull and an orchestra?

A: On a bull, the horns are in the front and the asshole's in the back.

I've always heard that one as 'a bull and the James Last orchestra'...

Andy T.

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> From: Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com>
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, Dec 5, 2009 3:14 am
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tronspotting
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> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tronspotting
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Mellotronists@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 12:18 PM
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> Tony
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> From: lsf5275@aol. com
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> To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com ; Mellotronists@ yahoogroups.
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--- On Sun, 12/6/09, Thomas C. Doncourt <tomdcour@amnh.org> wrote:

From: Thomas C. Doncourt <tomdcour@amnh.org>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tronspotting
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 6:44 AM

What's the first thing a lead vocalist does in the morning? Puts her
panties on and goes home.

In Bali it seems almost everyone is a musician.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Pring <markpringnz@ yahoo.com>
> To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Sat, Dec 5, 2009 3:14 am
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tronspotting
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> --- On Wed, 12/2/09, tony1 <atm655@verizon. net> wrote:
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> From: tony1 <atm655@verizon. net>
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tronspotting
> To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, Mellotronists@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 12:18 PM
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> From: lsf5275@aol. com
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> To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com ; Mellotronists@ yahoogroups.
> com
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> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 5:01 PM
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> > The human voice is one of the only "perfect" instruments. We all
> > know that polyphonic instruments are well-tempered and thus each
> > chord produced is "close", but imperfect. If you've ever sung in a
> > group without accompaniment, whether it be madrigals, barbershop,
> > etc., one of the great opportunities is you can sing each chord
> > perfectly because the trained human ear can seek the perfect chord –
> > and ring overtones (and undertones if you're really good) all over
> > the place – it's one of the reasons that choral/ensemble singing is
> > so fun!
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> > Music began with someone humming….
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> > I think almost everyone here would agree. The human voice is the
> > greatest of all instruments.

--- On Mon, 12/7/09, jonesalley <jonesalley@cox.net> wrote:

From: jonesalley <jonesalley@cox.net>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tronspotting
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 7:50 AM

This is all very nice, but it only rises to the level of unsupportable assertion of opinion, not independently verifiable empirical fact.

> > The human voice is one of the only "perfect" instruments. We all
> > know that polyphonic instruments are well-tempered and thus each
> > chord produced is "close", but imperfect. If you've ever sung in a
> > group without accompaniment, whether it be madrigals, barbershop,
> > etc., one of the great opportunities is you can sing each chord
> > perfectly because the trained human ear can seek the perfect chord –
> > and ring overtones (and undertones if you're really good) all over
> > the place – it's one of the reasons that choral/ensemble singing is
> > so fun!
> >
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> > Music began with someone humming….
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> > I think almost everyone here would agree. The human voice is the
> > greatest of all instruments.

> I don't think anyone has produced a machine or measurement system that can state what is and isn't music and who is and isn't a musician. I think it can only be subjective, but still fun to discuss.

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, fdoddy@... wrote:
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> That's the problem, modern folk are hell bent on everything being "verifiable empirical fact". If you can't see it, it ain't true. What a bunch of crap that ends up being when trying to create beauty, find God, or just plain old trying to feel joyful. So anecdotal evidence or instinct has no weight on things musical? I think it's more than just "very nice", it's essential for people to develop there own musical systems, no matter how unsupported they are. Laugh, go ahead, laugh at Yanni's own system of music notation or balk at the legitimacy of turntables as instruments, or question the "sonority" of a Balinese monkey chant. But they work...
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> I have never met Bernie Kornowicz face to face, but I'll guarantee you if I did, it would prove my intuition that he is a quality human being. Why? I've seen the smile on his face and read his emails and posts, however brief or trivial and gotten a feeling for him. Intuition and feeling but no verifiable empirical analysis needed.
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> My mother is dead. I loved her. Do you need me to show you that I loved her to prove it empirically?
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> fritz
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: jonesalley <jonesalley@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, Dec 6, 2009 1:50 pm
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tronspotting
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> This is all very nice, but it only rises to the level of unsupportable assertion of opinion, not independently verifiable empirical fact.
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> > > The human voice is one of the only "perfect" instruments. We all
> > > know that polyphonic instruments are well-tempered and thus each
> > > chord produced is "close", but imperfect. If you've ever sung in a
> > > group without accompaniment, whether it be madrigals, barbershop,
> > > etc., one of the great opportunities is you can sing each chord
> > > perfectly because the trained human ear can seek the perfect chord â€"
> > > and ring overtones (and undertones if you're really good) all over
> > > the place â€" it's one of the reasons that choral/ensemble singing is
> > > so fun!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Music began with someone humming….
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> > > I think almost everyone here would agree. The human voice is the
> > > greatest of all instruments.
>

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
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> Does anyone besides me wonder where that leaves P. T. Barnum?
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--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, fdoddy@... wrote:
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> I have no argument with "god" or those "who see no reason to postulate the existence of such". Most times they want to argue with me. "Do what you will, but do no harm" to paraphrase an old saying.
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> fd
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: jonesalley <jonesalley@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, Dec 6, 2009 9:43 pm
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tronspotting
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> When someone makes an assertion that something is "the greatest" of anything, then yes, it becomes a question of empirical reality. And the whole "god" argument doesn't carry any weight at all with those of us who see no reason to postulate the existence of such...
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> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, fdoddy@ wrote:
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> > That's the problem, modern folk are hell bent on everything being "verifiable empirical fact". If you can't see it, it ain't true. What a bunch of crap that ends up being when trying to create beauty, find God, or just plain old trying to feel joyful. So anecdotal evidence or instinct has no weight on things musical? I think it's more than just "very nice", it's essential for people to develop there own musical systems, no matter how unsupported they are. Laugh, go ahead, laugh at Yanni's own system of music notation or balk at the legitimacy of turntables as instruments, or question the "sonority" of a Balinese monkey chant. But they work...
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> > I have never met Bernie Kornowicz face to face, but I'll guarantee you if I did, it would prove my intuition that he is a quality human being. Why? I've seen the smile on his face and read his emails and posts, however brief or trivial and gotten a feeling for him. Intuition and feeling but no verifiable empirical analysis needed.
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> > My mother is dead. I loved her. Do you need me to show you that I loved her to prove it empirically?
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> > fritz
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jonesalley <jonesalley@>
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sun, Dec 6, 2009 1:50 pm
> > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tronspotting
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> > This is all very nice, but it only rises to the level of unsupportable assertion of opinion, not independently verifiable empirical fact.
> >
> > > > The human voice is one of the only "perfect" instruments. We all
> > > > know that polyphonic instruments are well-tempered and thus each
> > > > chord produced is "close", but imperfect. If you've ever sung in a
> > > > group without accompaniment, whether it be madrigals, barbershop,
> > > > etc., one of the great opportunities is you can sing each chord
> > > > perfectly because the trained human ear can seek the perfect chord â€"
> > > > and ring overtones (and undertones if you're really good) all over
> > > > the place â€" it's one of the reasons that choral/ensemble singing is
> > > > so fun!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Music began with someone humming….
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > I think almost everyone here would agree. The human voice is the
> > > > greatest of all instruments.
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--- On Mon, 12/7/09, jonesalley <jonesalley@cox.net> wrote:

From: jonesalley <jonesalley@cox.net>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tronspotting
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 6:19 PM

I make it a point to avoid debates like that as the black holes of wasted time that they are. I never assert that there's "no such thing" when the subject comes up, but I always politely request those who flatly state that such exists to provide some concrete evidence before I accept it as a stipulation. I don't see the value for people on either side of that question arguing about it. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence and there is no way to prove something affirmatively does not exist. On the other hand, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and the burden of proof is on those making the claim. That's not to say that I don't have strong personal convictions, but merely that they are of no importance to anybody but me!

--- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, fdoddy@... wrote:
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> I have no argument with "god" or those "who see no reason to postulate the existence of such". Most times they want to argue with me. "Do what you will, but do no harm" to paraphrase an old saying.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: jonesalley <jonesalley@ ...>
> To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Sun, Dec 6, 2009 9:43 pm
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tronspotting
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> When someone makes an assertion that something is "the greatest" of anything, then yes, it becomes a question of empirical reality. And the whole "god" argument doesn't carry any weight at all with those of us who see no reason to postulate the existence of such...
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, fdoddy@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > That's the problem, modern folk are hell bent on everything being "verifiable empirical fact". If you can't see it, it ain't true. What a bunch of crap that ends up being when trying to create beauty, find God, or just plain old trying to feel joyful. So anecdotal evidence or instinct has no weight on things musical? I think it's more than just "very nice", it's essential for people to develop there own musical systems, no matter how unsupported they are. Laugh, go ahead, laugh at Yanni's own system of music notation or balk at the legitimacy of turntables as instruments, or question the "sonority" of a Balinese monkey chant. But they work...
> >
> > I have never met Bernie Kornowicz face to face, but I'll guarantee you if I did, it would prove my intuition that he is a quality human being. Why? I've seen the smile on his face and read his emails and posts, however brief or trivial and gotten a feeling for him. Intuition and feeling but no verifiable empirical analysis needed.
> >
> > My mother is dead. I loved her. Do you need me to show you that I loved her to prove it empirically?
> >
> > fritz
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jonesalley <jonesalley@ >
> > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Sun, Dec 6, 2009 1:50 pm
> > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tronspotting
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> > This is all very nice, but it only rises to the level of unsupportable assertion of opinion, not independently verifiable empirical fact.
> >
> > > > The human voice is one of the only "perfect" instruments. We all
> > > > know that polyphonic instruments are well-tempered and thus each
> > > > chord produced is "close", but imperfect. If you've ever sung in a
> > > > group without accompaniment, whether it be madrigals, barbershop,
> > > > etc., one of the great opportunities is you can sing each chord
> > > > perfectly because the trained human ear can seek the perfect chord â€"
> > > > and ring overtones (and undertones if you're really good) all over
> > > > the place â€" it's one of the reasons that choral/ensemble singing is
> > > > so fun!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Music began with someone humming….
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I think almost everyone here would agree. The human voice is the
> > > > greatest of all instruments.
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>

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, MAinPsych@... wrote:
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> In a message dated 12/6/2009 9:38:37 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> markpringnz@... writes:
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> Now what does that have to do with mellotrons? How did we get here?
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> Mark
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> Good question.
> Hey, Voltaires of the list, X number of people times X number of opinions
> = a verbal cluster fuck that goes nowhere and generates resentments and
> hostility. Save that shit for Twitter.
>
> BTW, Merry Christmas everyone. :-)
>
> Now about Mellotrons......
>

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--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Mark Pring <markpringnz@...> wrote:
>
> Well I think Wittgenstein pretty much summed it up:
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> "The sense of the world must lie outside the world. In the world everything is as it is, and everything happens as it does happen: in it no value exists -and if it did exist it would have no value.
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> If there is any value that does have value, it must lie outside the whole sphere of what happens and is the case. For all that happens and is the case is accidental.
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> What makes it non-accidental cannot lie within the world, since if it did it would itself be accidental.
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> It must lie outside the world."
>
> Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus 6.4 1
>
> Well I think that makes everything clear.
>
> Now what does that have to do with mellotrons? How did we get here?
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 12/7/09, jonesalley <jonesalley@...> wrote:
>
> From: jonesalley <jonesalley@...>
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tronspotting
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 6:19 PM
>
>
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> Â
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>
> I make it a point to avoid debates like that as the black holes of wasted time that they are. I never assert that there's "no such thing" when the subject comes up, but I always politely request those who flatly state that such exists to provide some concrete evidence before I accept it as a stipulation. I don't see the value for people on either side of that question arguing about it. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence and there is no way to prove something affirmatively does not exist. On the other hand, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and the burden of proof is on those making the claim. That's not to say that I don't have strong personal convictions, but merely that they are of no importance to anybody but me!
>
>
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, fdoddy@ wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I have no argument with "god" or those "who see no reason to postulate the existence of such". Most times they want to argue with me. "Do what you will, but do no harm" to paraphrase an old saying.
>
> >
>
> > fd
>
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
>
> >
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: jonesalley <jonesalley@ ...>
>
> > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
>
> > Sent: Sun, Dec 6, 2009 9:43 pm
>
> > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tronspotting
>
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
>
> > When someone makes an assertion that something is "the greatest" of anything, then yes, it becomes a question of empirical reality. And the whole "god" argument doesn't carry any weight at all with those of us who see no reason to postulate the existence of such...
>
> >
>
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, fdoddy@ wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > That's the problem, modern folk are hell bent on everything being "verifiable empirical fact". If you can't see it, it ain't true. What a bunch of crap that ends up being when trying to create beauty, find God, or just plain old trying to feel joyful. So anecdotal evidence or instinct has no weight on things musical? I think it's more than just "very nice", it's essential for people to develop there own musical systems, no matter how unsupported they are. Laugh, go ahead, laugh at Yanni's own system of music notation or balk at the legitimacy of turntables as instruments, or question the "sonority" of a Balinese monkey chant. But they work...
>
> > >
>
> > > I have never met Bernie Kornowicz face to face, but I'll guarantee you if I did, it would prove my intuition that he is a quality human being. Why? I've seen the smile on his face and read his emails and posts, however brief or trivial and gotten a feeling for him. Intuition and feeling but no verifiable empirical analysis needed.
>
> > >
>
> > > My mother is dead. I loved her. Do you need me to show you that I loved her to prove it empirically?
>
> > >
>
> > > fritz
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
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> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > -----Original Message-----
>
> > > From: jonesalley <jonesalley@ >
>
> > > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
>
> > > Sent: Sun, Dec 6, 2009 1:50 pm
>
> > > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tronspotting
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > This is all very nice, but it only rises to the level of unsupportable assertion of opinion, not independently verifiable empirical fact.
>
> > >
>
> > > > > The human voice is one of the only "perfect" instruments. We all
>
> > > > > know that polyphonic instruments are well-tempered and thus each
>
> > > > > chord produced is "close", but imperfect. If you've ever sung in a
>
> > > > > group without accompaniment, whether it be madrigals, barbershop,
>
> > > > > etc., one of the great opportunities is you can sing each chord
>
> > > > > perfectly because the trained human ear can seek the perfect chord â€"
>
> > > > > and ring overtones (and undertones if you're really good) all over
>
> > > > > the place â€" it's one of the reasons that choral/ensemble singing is
>
> > > > > so fun!
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > Music began with someone humming….
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > >
>
> > > > > I think almost everyone here would agree. The human voice is the
>
> > > > > greatest of all instruments.
>
> > >
>
> >
>

>
> Well I think Wittgenstein pretty much summed it up:
>
> "The sense of the world must lie outside the world. In the world everything is as it is, and everything happens as it does happen: in it no value exists -and if it did exist it would have no value.
>
> If there is any value that does have value, it must lie outside the whole sphere of what happens and is the case. For all that happens and is the case is accidental.
>
> What makes it non-accidental cannot lie within the world, since if it did it would itself be accidental.
>
> It must lie outside the world."
>
> Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus 6.4 1
>
> Well I think that makes everything clear.
>
> Now what does that have to do with mellotrons? How did we get here?
>
> Mark
>

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "ClayE" <ecclesreinson@...> wrote:
>
> Wittgenstein later said: "the clarity we are aiming at is indeed complete clarity. But this simply means that the philosophical problems should completely disappear."
>
> This Tractatus quote is about as clear as mud to me.
>
> Clay
>
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Mark Pring <markpringnz@> wrote:
> >
> > Well I think Wittgenstein pretty much summed it up:
> >
> > "The sense of the world must lie outside the world. In the world everything is as it is, and everything happens as it does happen: in it no value exists -and if it did exist it would have no value.
> >
> > If there is any value that does have value, it must lie outside the whole sphere of what happens and is the case. For all that happens and is the case is accidental.
> >
> > What makes it non-accidental cannot lie within the world, since if it did it would itself be accidental.
> >
> > It must lie outside the world."
> >
> > Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus 6.4 1
> >
> > Well I think that makes everything clear.
> >
> > Now what does that have to do with mellotrons? How did we get here?
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Mon, 12/7/09, jonesalley <jonesalley@> wrote:
> >
> > From: jonesalley <jonesalley@>
> > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tronspotting
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 6:19 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Â
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I make it a point to avoid debates like that as the black holes of wasted time that they are. I never assert that there's "no such thing" when the subject comes up, but I always politely request those who flatly state that such exists to provide some concrete evidence before I accept it as a stipulation. I don't see the value for people on either side of that question arguing about it. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence and there is no way to prove something affirmatively does not exist. On the other hand, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and the burden of proof is on those making the claim. That's not to say that I don't have strong personal convictions, but merely that they are of no importance to anybody but me!
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, fdoddy@ wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I have no argument with "god" or those "who see no reason to postulate the existence of such". Most times they want to argue with me. "Do what you will, but do no harm" to paraphrase an old saying.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > fd
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > > From: jonesalley <jonesalley@ ...>
> >
> > > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> >
> > > Sent: Sun, Dec 6, 2009 9:43 pm
> >
> > > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tronspotting
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > When someone makes an assertion that something is "the greatest" of anything, then yes, it becomes a question of empirical reality. And the whole "god" argument doesn't carry any weight at all with those of us who see no reason to postulate the existence of such...
> >
> > >
> >
> > > --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, fdoddy@ wrote:
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > That's the problem, modern folk are hell bent on everything being "verifiable empirical fact". If you can't see it, it ain't true. What a bunch of crap that ends up being when trying to create beauty, find God, or just plain old trying to feel joyful. So anecdotal evidence or instinct has no weight on things musical? I think it's more than just "very nice", it's essential for people to develop there own musical systems, no matter how unsupported they are. Laugh, go ahead, laugh at Yanni's own system of music notation or balk at the legitimacy of turntables as instruments, or question the "sonority" of a Balinese monkey chant. But they work...
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > I have never met Bernie Kornowicz face to face, but I'll guarantee you if I did, it would prove my intuition that he is a quality human being. Why? I've seen the smile on his face and read his emails and posts, however brief or trivial and gotten a feeling for him. Intuition and feeling but no verifiable empirical analysis needed.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > My mother is dead. I loved her. Do you need me to show you that I loved her to prove it empirically?
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > fritz
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > > > From: jonesalley <jonesalley@ >
> >
> > > > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> >
> > > > Sent: Sun, Dec 6, 2009 1:50 pm
> >
> > > > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tronspotting
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > This is all very nice, but it only rises to the level of unsupportable assertion of opinion, not independently verifiable empirical fact.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > > The human voice is one of the only "perfect" instruments. We all
> >
> > > > > > know that polyphonic instruments are well-tempered and thus each
> >
> > > > > > chord produced is "close", but imperfect. If you've ever sung in a
> >
> > > > > > group without accompaniment, whether it be madrigals, barbershop,
> >
> > > > > > etc., one of the great opportunities is you can sing each chord
> >
> > > > > > perfectly because the trained human ear can seek the perfect chord â€"
> >
> > > > > > and ring overtones (and undertones if you're really good) all over
> >
> > > > > > the place â€" it's one of the reasons that choral/ensemble singing is
> >
> > > > > > so fun!
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > Music began with someone humming….
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> >
> > > > > > I think almost everyone here would agree. The human voice is the
> >
> > > > > > greatest of all instruments.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> >
>

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, MAinPsych@... wrote:
>
> Have been seeing an ad all day long for Finish rinsing agent that
> definitely has Mellotron. Unknown if sampled or real. Fritz, do you know anything
> about this?
>
> Frank 1
>

On 7/21/12 11:12 PM, trawnajim wrote:
> Have checked Andy's page and don't see it mentioned anywhere, so am curious: I finally got around to listening to the first album by Gun and this track in particular seems to have 'tron all over it
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDLg2Ow8rUY
>
> Since it isn't listed on the "mistaken" page either, I wondered if it has somehow been overlooked all this time.
>
> Jim Bailey
>
>

On 7/22/2012 2:15 AM, marabus wrote:

Jim,
What I hear are piano,organ with leslie and backround vocals.JMO
Pete

On 7/21/12 11:12 PM, trawnajim wrote:
> Have checked Andy's page and don't see it mentioned anywhere, so am curious: I finally got around to listening to the first album by Gun and this track in particular seems to have 'tron all over it
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDLg2Ow8rUY
>
> Since it isn't listed on the "mistaken" page either, I wondered if it has somehow been overlooked all this time.
>
> Jim Bailey
>
>

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Vance Pomeroy <vance@...> wrote:
>
> Jim -
> Big Gurvitz fan here. The strings, etc. are all in-studio orchestra as
> with the rest of the album - like the horns on Race with the Devil.
> For 'tron, go to the first Three Man Army album, One Third of a Lifetime.
> Vance
>
> On 7/22/2012 2:15 AM, marabus wrote:
> >
> > Jim,
> > What I hear are piano,organ with leslie and backround vocals.JMO
> > Pete
> >
> > On 7/21/12 11:12 PM, trawnajim wrote:
> > > Have checked Andy's page and don't see it mentioned anywhere, so am
> > curious: I finally got around to listening to the first album by Gun
> > and this track in particular seems to have 'tron all over it
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDLg2Ow8rUY
> > >
> > > Since it isn't listed on the "mistaken" page either, I wondered if
> > it has somehow been overlooked all this time.
> > >
> > > Jim Bailey
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

On 7/22/2012 2:08 PM, ClayE wrote:

I'm a little behind the times. Paul Curtis changed his name to Gurvitz? I bought that album because I liked the Roger Dean cover.

I also never knew that the bands name was "The Gun". When did that happen?

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Vance Pomeroy <vance@...> wrote:
>
> Jim -
> Big Gurvitz fan here. The strings, etc. are all in-studio orchestra as
> with the rest of the album - like the horns on Race with the Devil.
> For 'tron, go to the first Three Man Army album, One Third of a Lifetime.
> Vance
>
> On 7/22/2012 2:15 AM, marabus wrote:
> >
> > Jim,
> > What I hear are piano,organ with leslie and backround vocals.JMO
> > Pete
> >
> > On 7/21/12 11:12 PM, trawnajim wrote:
> > > Have checked Andy's page and don't see it mentioned anywhere, so am
> > curious: I finally got around to listening to the first album by Gun
> > and this track in particular seems to have 'tron all over it
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDLg2Ow8rUY
> > >
> > > Since it isn't listed on the "mistaken" page either, I wondered if
> > it has somehow been overlooked all this time.
> > >
> > > Jim Bailey
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

>
> Jim -
> Big Gurvitz fan here. The strings, etc. are all in-studio orchestra as
> with the rest of the album - like the horns on Race with the Devil.
> For 'tron, go to the first Three Man Army album, One Third of a Lifetime.
> Vance

Agreed! Seminal even.

Sherman's timing and cadence as a comedic actor were near perfect.


fritz

What a fantastic show !

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert <rmrmax@yahoo.com>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:26 pm
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] OT - RIP Sherman Hemsley

Wasn't it Gino who recently wrote that Sherman was a big fan of progressive rock music ? I guess he didn't make it to NEARfest last month ?

Watch the replay of the scene from "All In The Family". What a fantastic show !

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/-the-jeffersons--star-sherman-hemsley-dead-at-74.html

On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 9:51 PM, lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:

Prog killed him. Waaaaaaaa

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

fdoddy@aol.com wrote:

Agreed! Seminal even.

Sherman's timing and cadence as a comedic actor were near perfect.


fritz

What a fantastic show !

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert <rmrmax@yahoo.com>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:26 pm
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] OT - RIP Sherman Hemsley

Wasn't it Gino who recently wrote that Sherman was a big fan of progressive rock music ? I guess he didn't make it to NEARfest last month ?

Watch the replay of the scene from "All In The Family". What a fantastic show !

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/-the-jeffersons--star-sherman-hemsley-dead-at-74.html

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