Mark II violins B flat below middle C
2009-05-02 by Huff Talbot

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2009-05-02 by Huff Talbot
Why does it sound like that? The other b flats have a similar quality to a lesser degree, is it some characteristic of the violin itself?
Mark
2009-05-02 by lsf5275@aol.com
Why does it sound like that? The other b flats have a similar quality to a lesser degree, is it some characteristic of the violin itself?
Mark
2009-05-02 by Huff Talbot
Well this probably won't mean much to you Frank but I can't explain it any other way, it sounds like 3 Sweeps ( as in Sooty and Sweep ) singing in unison, and it's not just my tron, I can here it in recordings and I don't think it's my ears!. I think Mike mentioned the odd tonal quality of B flat it in a previous post although he didn't describe it in this way.
Mark
PS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn-eQDWm6U4
or perhaps this is a better example
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PK7_Ueh9X0&feature=related
--- On Sat, 5/2/09, lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:
From: lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Mark II violins B flat below middle C
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 7:20 AM
In a message dated 5/2/2009 2:27:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hufftalbot@yahoo. com writes:Why does it sound like that? The other b flats have a similar quality to a lesser degree, is it some characteristic of the violin itself?
Mark
Sound like what?
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2009-05-02 by Huff Talbot
No definitely this
http://www..youtube.com/watch?v=IyP9EYk_7ZM&feature=related
--- On Sat, 5/2/09, Huff Talbot <hufftalbot@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Huff Talbot <hufftalbot@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Mark II violins B flat below middle C
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 8:31 AM
Well this probably won't mean much to you Frank but I can't explain it any other way, it sounds like 3 Sweeps ( as in Sooty and Sweep ) singing in unison, and it's not just my tron, I can here it in recordings and I don't think it's my ears!. I think Mike mentioned the odd tonal quality of B flat it in a previous post although he didn't describe it in this way.
Mark
PS http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Xn-eQDWm6U4
or perhaps this is a better example
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=3PK7_Ueh9X0&feature=related
--- On Sat, 5/2/09, lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com> wrote:
From: lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Mark II violins B flat below middle C
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 7:20 AM
In a message dated 5/2/2009 2:27:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hufftalbot@yahoo. com writes:Why does it sound like that? The other b flats have a similar quality to a lesser degree, is it some characteristic of the violin itself?
Mark
Sound like what?
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2009-05-02 by Huff Talbot
--- On Sat, 5/2/09, Huff Talbot <hufftalbot@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Huff Talbot <hufftalbot@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Mark II violins B flat below middle C
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 8:34 AM
No definitely this
http://www.. youtube.com/ watch?v=IyP9EYk_ 7ZM&feature=related
--- On Sat, 5/2/09, Huff Talbot <hufftalbot@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: Huff Talbot <hufftalbot@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Mark II violins B flat below middle C
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 8:31 AM
Well this probably won't mean much to you Frank but I can't explain it any other way, it sounds like 3 Sweeps ( as in Sooty and Sweep ) singing in unison, and it's not just my tron, I can here it in recordings and I don't think it's my ears!. I think Mike mentioned the odd tonal quality of B flat it in a previous post although he didn't describe it in this way.
Mark
PS http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Xn-eQDWm6U4
or perhaps this is a better example
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=3PK7_Ueh9X0&feature=related
--- On Sat, 5/2/09, lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com> wrote:
From: lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Mark II violins B flat below middle C
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 7:20 AM
In a message dated 5/2/2009 2:27:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hufftalbot@yahoo. com writes:Why does it sound like that? The other b flats have a similar quality to a lesser degree, is it some characteristic of the violin itself?
Mark
Sound like what?
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2009-05-02 by Huff Talbot
Last try!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyP9EYk_7ZM
--- On Sat, 5/2/09, Huff Talbot <hufftalbot@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Huff Talbot <hufftalbot@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Mark II violins B flat below middle C
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 8:37 AM
Bugger! the links don't seem to work, just google Sooty Sweep and youtube!
--- On Sat, 5/2/09, Huff Talbot <hufftalbot@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: Huff Talbot <hufftalbot@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Mark II violins B flat below middle C
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 8:34 AM
No definitely this
http://www.. youtube.com/ watch?v=IyP9EYk_ 7ZM&feature=related
--- On Sat, 5/2/09, Huff Talbot <hufftalbot@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: Huff Talbot <hufftalbot@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Mark II violins B flat below middle C
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 8:31 AM
Well this probably won't mean much to you Frank but I can't explain it any other way, it sounds like 3 Sweeps ( as in Sooty and Sweep ) singing in unison, and it's not just my tron, I can here it in recordings and I don't think it's my ears!. I think Mike mentioned the odd tonal quality of B flat it in a previous post although he didn't describe it in this way.
Mark
PS http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Xn-eQDWm6U4
or perhaps this is a better example
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=3PK7_Ueh9X0&feature=related
--- On Sat, 5/2/09, lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com> wrote:
From: lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Mark II violins B flat below middle C
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 7:20 AM
In a message dated 5/2/2009 2:27:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hufftalbot@yahoo. com writes:Why does it sound like that? The other b flats have a similar quality to a lesser degree, is it some characteristic of the violin itself?
Mark
Sound like what?
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2009-05-02 by fdoddy@aol.com
--- On Sat, 5/2/09, Huff Talbot <hufftalbot@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: Huff Talbot <hufftalbot@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Mark II violins B flat below middle C
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 8:37 AM
Bugger! the links don't seem to work, just google Sooty Sweep and youtube!
--- On Sat, 5/2/09, Huff Talbot <hufftalbot@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: Huff Talbot <hufftalbot@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Mark II violins B flat below middle C
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 8:34 AM
No definitely thishttp://www.. youtube.com/ watch?v=IyP9EYk_ 7ZM&feature=related
--- On Sat, 5/2/09, Huff Talbot <hufftalbot@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: Huff Talbot <hufftalbot@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Mark II violins B flat below middle C
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 8:31 AM
Well this probably won't mean much to you Frank but I can't explain it any other way, it sounds like 3 Sweeps ( as in Sooty and Sweep ) singing in unison, and it's not just my tron, I can here it in recordings and I don't think it's my ears!. I think Mike mentioned the odd tonal quality of B flat it in a previous post although he didn't describe it in this way.Mark
PS http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Xn-eQDWm6U4or perhaps this is a better examplehttp://www.youtube. com/watch? v=3PK7_Ueh9X0&feature=related
--- On Sat, 5/2/09, lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com> wrote:
From: lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Mark II violins B flat below middle C
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 7:20 AM
In a message dated 5/2/2009 2:27:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hufftalbot@yahoo. com writes:Why does it sound like that? The other b flats have a similar quality to a lesser degree, is it some characteristic of the violin itself?MarkSound like what?
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2009-05-02 by lsf5275@aol.com
Well, nearest I can figure is Bb on a violin is akin to 3rd position on a guitar. Follow me now. 3rd position in ballet places one foot in front of the other, much like the song in Rankin/Bass' "Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer" when the dentist-to-be elf, Hermey decides to exude some confidence, which he sorely lacks being such a misfit. Since General Electric produced advertisements using characters from this program, it can be assumed there was some sort of contractual arrangement with the elves, particularly the "Tall Elf", who got cut out of a lot of acenes in the original production, but went on to make a career in Vegas doing cabaret. Sadly, he was found in bed with the the mayor's wife and dissappeared quite suddenly after that.
2009-05-02 by fdoddy@aol.com
Well, nearest I can figure is Bb on a violin is akin to 3rd position on a guitar. Follow me now. 3rd position in ballet places one foot in front of the other, much like the song in Rankin/Bass' "Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer" when the dentist-to-be elf, Hermey decides to exude some confidence, which he sorely lacks being such a misfit. Since General Electric produced advertisements using characters from this program, it can be assumed there was some sort of contractual arrangement with the elves, particularly the "Tall Elf", who got cut out of a lot of acenes in the original production, but went on to make a career in Vegas doing cabaret. Sadly, he was found in bed with the the mayor's wife and dissappeared quite suddenly after that.
2009-05-02 by doctorwho8@aol.com
2009-05-03 by lsf5275@aol.com
"You're good Frank...you' re real good!" he said with a murderous look in his only remaining eye.....and circle fade to black.
2009-05-04 by Mark Wallis
2009-05-04 by Tom Doncourt
Hi Mark-please come to N.Y. I need help with some Solovox’s and other like stuff
Hi Folks.
Here's an odd appeal for you all.. I'm planning a trip to LA for a few weeks from late June. The main focus of this is to do music and get about a bit.. I have a band to play with and am looking forward to a really cool few weeks..
I was wondering if any of you guys could use some occasional technical assistance from a guy well-versed in electromechanical and analog keys.
Yep, I'm basically hustling for some 'unofficial' work to help make my dollars last a little longer and make the partying and musicking easier to fund.
I've been quietly trading for the last couple of years repairing mostly vintage/classic gear and every penny I have comes from this apart from very occasional gigs and sculptural metalwork. Here's a brief list of the sort of things I've been happily paid to happily work on from the last year or so:
Miscellaneous tonewheel Hammonds inc consoles and spinets. There's very little that I haven't done with big Hammonds and I spent most of a year working for HammondHire/Servicezone in Coventry, England before getting my own discreet thing together.
Leslies (tube and transistorised)
Vox Continentals ( British and Italian, 1963 onwards) Jaguars
Farfisa Compacts
Loads of Rhodes
Wurlitzers 140B, 200,200A (I've even been known to make reeds from scratch)
Hohner Clavinets and Pianets
Selmer Claviolines
Misc. Moogs
ARP Oddysseys/Omnis
SCI P5, Pro-Ones
WEM Copicats/Roland Space Echoes
Misc. mixers from dinky to gigantic
Philicorda organs
Wierd Russian analog synths
valve/tube amps
..and lots more
Oh, and I'm not bad with Mellotrons and my near-neighbours JB and MS have taught me lots more recently.
I usually do a nice job, I'm a musician too so all my keyboard jobs feel nice and responsive. Rhodes and Wurlies especially.
So, if you do this sort of thing and have too much work on, or if you have a housefull of gear that you would like me to wqrk on for cash (at mutually suitable rates, weighed in your favour/favor) and can't find time to do yourself.. please get in touch and ask any questions that you want. I'm intending to be around for up to three months this time.
Similarly, I may need to buy/rent or borrow some gear. A Farfisa Compact would be handy, an M400 would be great! I may be bring a Vox Conti over with me, maybe only guitars.
Also, if you have a room going, I could happily service your gear for my keep... Initially I'm supposed to be staying with a friend in Echo Park, wherever that may be.
There's plenty of time 'twixt now and then so think about it and talk to me.
I'm a reasonably straight and sober individual, apart from the odd Rock'n'Roll moment. But I'm always gentlemanly!
I'm also a pretty good mechanic, especially with British motorcycles..
Love and Scones,
Mark Wallis
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2009-05-04 by Mark Wallis
Hi Mark-please come to N.Y. I need help with some Solovox’s and other like stuff
Hi Folks.
Here's an odd appeal for you all.. I'm planning a trip to LA for a few weeks from late June. The main focus of this is to do music and get about a bit.. I have a band to play with and am looking forward to a really cool few weeks..
I was wondering if any of you guys could use some occasional technical assistance from a guy well-versed in electromechanical and analog keys.
Yep, I'm basically hustling for some 'unofficial' work to help make my dollars last a little longer and make the partying and musicking easier to fund.
I've been quietly trading for the last couple of years repairing mostly vintage/classic gear and every penny I have comes from this apart from very occasional gigs and sculptural metalwork. Here's a brief list of the sort of things I've been happily paid to happily work on from the last year or so:
Miscellaneous tonewheel Hammonds inc consoles and spinets. There's very little that I haven't done with big Hammonds and I spent most of a year working for HammondHire/ Servicezone in Coventry, England before getting my own discreet thing together.
Leslies (tube and transistorised)
Vox Continentals ( British and Italian, 1963 onwards) Jaguars
Farfisa Compacts
Loads of Rhodes
Wurlitzers 140B, 200,200A (I've even been known to make reeds from scratch)
Hohner Clavinets and Pianets
Selmer Claviolines
Misc. Moogs
ARP Oddysseys/Omnis
SCI P5, Pro-Ones
WEM Copicats/Roland Space Echoes
Misc. mixers from dinky to gigantic
Philicorda organs
Wierd Russian analog synths
valve/tube amps
..and lots more
Oh, and I'm not bad with Mellotrons and my near-neighbours JB and MS have taught me lots more recently.
I usually do a nice job, I'm a musician too so all my keyboard jobs feel nice and responsive. Rhodes and Wurlies especially.
So, if you do this sort of thing and have too much work on, or if you have a housefull of gear that you would like me to wqrk on for cash (at mutually suitable rates, weighed in your favour/favor) and can't find time to do yourself.. please get in touch and ask any questions that you want. I'm intending to be around for up to three months this time.
Similarly, I may need to buy/rent or borrow some gear. A Farfisa Compact would be handy, an M400 would be great! I may be bring a Vox Conti over with me, maybe only guitars.
Also, if you have a room going, I could happily service your gear for my keep... Initially I'm supposed to be staying with a friend in Echo Park, wherever that may be.
There's plenty of time 'twixt now and then so think about it and talk to me.
I'm a reasonably straight and sober individual, apart from the odd Rock'n'Roll moment. But I'm always gentlemanly!
I'm also a pretty good mechanic, especially with British motorcycles. .
Love and Scones,
Mark Wallis
Get the New Internet Explore 8 Optimised for MSN. Download Now <http://extras. uk.msn.com/ internet- explorer- 8/?ocid=T010MSN0 7A0716U>
2009-05-04 by Tom Doncourt
Hope you do come- Gleeman pentaphonic and Yamaha CS60, Seck board also need help!
I am hoping to find a clavioline- have a saved search on ebay but the last one looked too far gone.
We have a nice place outside of N.Y.C with a small shop & guest room, you would be welcome to stay so if you ever find time to visit!
Hi Tom
I'd love to spend some time in New York, maybe later in the year. I've never done a Solovox, but I expect that most of what I know about Claviolines, Jennings Univoxes and Hammond Pedal Solo units would apply. What other devices did you have in mind?
Best Wishes, MSW
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
From: tomdcour@amnh.org
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 13:23:28 -0400
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Attention all L.A. tronheads/techies or WILL WORK FOR FOOD!
Hi Mark-please come to N.Y. I need help with some Solovox’s and other like stuff
Hi Folks.
Here's an odd appeal for you all.. I'm planning a trip to LA for a few weeks from late June. The main focus of this is to do music and get about a bit.. I have a band to play with and am looking forward to a really cool few weeks..
I was wondering if any of you guys could use some occasional technical assistance from a guy well-versed in electromechanical and analog keys.
Yep, I'm basically hustling for some 'unofficial' work to help make my dollars last a little longer and make the partying and musicking easier to fund.
I've been quietly trading for the last couple of years repairing mostly vintage/classic gear and every penny I have comes from this apart from very occasional gigs and sculptural metalwork. Here's a brief list of the sort of things I've been happily paid to happily work on from the last year or so:
Miscellaneous tonewheel Hammonds inc consoles and spinets. There's very little that I haven't done with big Hammonds and I spent most of a year working for HammondHire/Servicezone in Coventry, England before getting my own discreet thing together.
Leslies (tube and transistorised)
Vox Continentals ( British and Italian, 1963 onwards) Jaguars
Farfisa Compacts
Loads of Rhodes
Wurlitzers 140B, 200,200A (I've even been known to make reeds from scratch)
Hohner Clavinets and Pianets
Selmer Claviolines
Misc. Moogs
ARP Oddysseys/Omnis
SCI P5, Pro-Ones
WEM Copicats/Roland Space Echoes
Misc. mixers from dinky to gigantic
Philicorda organs
Wierd Russian analog synths
valve/tube amps
..and lots more
Oh, and I'm not bad with Mellotrons and my near-neighbours JB and MS have taught me lots more recently.
I usually do a nice job, I'm a musician too so all my keyboard jobs feel nice and responsive. Rhodes and Wurlies especially.
So, if you do this sort of thing and have too much work on, or if you have a housefull of gear that you would like me to wqrk on for cash (at mutually suitable rates, weighed in your favour/favor) and can't find time to do yourself.. please get in touch and ask any questions that you want. I'm intending to be around for up to three months this time.
Similarly, I may need to buy/rent or borrow some gear. A Farfisa Compact would be handy, an M400 would be great! I may be bring a Vox Conti over with me, maybe only guitars.
Also, if you have a room going, I could happily service your gear for my keep... Initially I'm supposed to be staying with a friend in Echo Park, wherever that may be.
There's plenty of time 'twixt now and then so think about it and talk to me.
I'm a reasonably straight and sober individual, apart from the odd Rock'n'Roll moment. But I'm always gentlemanly!
I'm also a pretty good mechanic, especially with British motorcycles..
Love and Scones,
Mark Wallis
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2009-05-04 by tony1
----- Original Message -----From: Tom DoncourtSent: Monday, May 04, 2009 2:03 PMSubject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Attention all L.A. tronheads/techies or WILL WORK FOR FOOD!
Hope you do come- Gleeman pentaphonic and Yamaha CS60, Seck board also need help!
I am hoping to find a clavioline- have a saved search on ebay but the last one looked too far gone.
We have a nice place outside of N.Y.C with a small shop & guest room, you would be welcome to stay so if you ever find time to visit!
Hi Tom
I'd love to spend some time in New York, maybe later in the year. I've never done a Solovox, but I expect that most of what I know about Claviolines, Jennings Univoxes and Hammond Pedal Solo units would apply. What other devices did you have in mind?
Best Wishes, MSW
To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
From: tomdcour@amnh. org
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 13:23:28 -0400
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Attention all L.A. tronheads/techies or WILL WORK FOR FOOD!
Hi Mark-please come to N.Y. I need help with some Solovoxs and other like stuff
Hi Folks.
Here's an odd appeal for you all.. I'm planning a trip to LA for a few weeks from late June. The main focus of this is to do music and get about a bit.. I have a band to play with and am looking forward to a really cool few weeks..
I was wondering if any of you guys could use some occasional technical assistance from a guy well-versed in electromechanical and analog keys.
Yep, I'm basically hustling for some 'unofficial' work to help make my dollars last a little longer and make the partying and musicking easier to fund.
I've been quietly trading for the last couple of years repairing mostly vintage/classic gear and every penny I have comes from this apart from very occasional gigs and sculptural metalwork. Here's a brief list of the sort of things I've been happily paid to happily work on from the last year or so:
Miscellaneous tonewheel Hammonds inc consoles and spinets. There's very little that I haven't done with big Hammonds and I spent most of a year working for HammondHire/ Servicezone in Coventry, England before getting my own discreet thing together.
Leslies (tube and transistorised)
Vox Continentals ( British and Italian, 1963 onwards) Jaguars
Farfisa Compacts
Loads of Rhodes
Wurlitzers 140B, 200,200A (I've even been known to make reeds from scratch)
Hohner Clavinets and Pianets
Selmer Claviolines
Misc. Moogs
ARP Oddysseys/Omnis
SCI P5, Pro-Ones
WEM Copicats/Roland Space Echoes
Misc. mixers from dinky to gigantic
Philicorda organs
Wierd Russian analog synths
valve/tube amps
..and lots more
Oh, and I'm not bad with Mellotrons and my near-neighbours JB and MS have taught me lots more recently.
I usually do a nice job, I'm a musician too so all my keyboard jobs feel nice and responsive. Rhodes and Wurlies especially.
So, if you do this sort of thing and have too much work on, or if you have a housefull of gear that you would like me to wqrk on for cash (at mutually suitable rates, weighed in your favour/favor) and can't find time to do yourself.. please get in touch and ask any questions that you want. I'm intending to be around for up to three months this time.
Similarly, I may need to buy/rent or borrow some gear. A Farfisa Compact would be handy, an M400 would be great! I may be bring a Vox Conti over with me, maybe only guitars.
Also, if you have a room going, I could happily service your gear for my keep... Initially I'm supposed to be staying with a friend in Echo Park, wherever that may be.
There's plenty of time 'twixt now and then so think about it and talk to me.
I'm a reasonably straight and sober individual, apart from the odd Rock'n'Roll moment. But I'm always gentlemanly!
I'm also a pretty good mechanic, especially with British motorcycles. .
Love and Scones,
Mark Wallis
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2009-05-07 by Mark Wallis
2009-05-13 by Mark Wallis