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Rick-Im not rude

2009-04-14 by will davis

Rick...I am not being rude when I acuse someone who is not telling the truth that he is a liar. Has he tried to explain himself? No...not in the least ! I still want to know....WHEN, WHERE, and OWNER !!! dave
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Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Birotron on ebay


On Apr 13, 2009, at 9:30 PM, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:

Mike, you're avoiding the questions. When and where did you play one, and who did it belong to. Your first email was pointed and filled with opinions. Fair enough. But in his rebuttal, Dave asked fair questions. Your retort was silly. Support the reasons for your opinion. I think that's reasonable. There isn't one credible word in the statement below.
Frank

No, Frank. Dave's response was rude. He called Mike a liar, did he not? I don't think you'd be too happy if someone you didn't know called you a liar. If Dave wanted questions answered, he should have asked them in a civilized manner. It's lucky that Mike is just so damn nice about these kinds of things.

Or not.

Rick

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Rick-Im not rude

2009-04-14 by john barrick

No, Dave (or Will), you're rude.  You have no way of knowing if Mike is 
telling the truth or not, and even if you did, you're still rude.
I have a much easier time believing that Mike has played a birotron, 
than I do believing that you know the condition and action adjustment of 
every remaining birotron keyboard out there.  Hell, you don't even know 
which one Mike is talking about...or who it belonged to.  So there.
jb



will davis wrote:
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> Rick...I am not being rude when I acuse someone who is not telling the 
> truth that he is a liar. Has he tried to explain himself? No...not in 
> the least !  I still want to know....WHEN, WHERE, and OWNER !!!   dave
>  
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Rick Blechta <mailto:rick@rickblechta.com>
>     *To:* newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
>     <mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
>     *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2009 8:37 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [newmellotrongroup] Birotron on ebay
>
>
>     On Apr 13, 2009, at 9:30 PM, lsf5275@aol.com
>     <mailto:lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>     Mike, you're avoiding the questions. When and where did you play
>>     one, and who did it belong to. Your first email was pointed and
>>     filled with opinions. Fair enough. But in his rebuttal, Dave
>>     asked fair questions. Your retort was silly. Support the reasons
>>     for your opinion. I think that's reasonable. There isn't one
>>     credible word in the statement below.
>>      
>>     Frank
>
>     No, Frank. Dave's response was rude. He called Mike a liar, did he
>     not? I don't think you'd be too happy if someone you didn't know
>     called you a liar. If Dave wanted questions answered, he should
>     have asked them in a civilized manner. It's lucky that Mike is
>     just so damn nice about these kinds of things.
>
>     Or not.
>
>     Rick
>
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Rick-Im not rude

2009-04-14 by will davis

Sorry John...I DO KNOW....and as soon as Mike explains himself, I will tell you how I know.......... dave
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Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Rick-Im not rude

No, Dave (or Will), you're rude. You have no way of knowing if Mike is
telling the truth or not, and even if you did, you're still rude.
I have a much easier time believing that Mike has played a birotron,
than I do believing that you know the condition and action adjustment of
every remaining birotron keyboard out there. Hell, you don't even know
which one Mike is talking about...or who it belonged to. So there.
jb

will davis wrote:
>
> Rick...I am not being rude when I acuse someone who is not telling the
> truth that he is a liar. Has he tried to explain himself? No...not in
>; the least ! I still want to know....WHEN, WHERE, and OWNER !!! dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Rick Blechta rick@rickblechta.com>
> *To:* newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2009 8:37 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [newmellotrongroup] Birotron on ebay
>
>
> On Apr 13, 2009, at 9:30 PM, lsf5275@aol.com
> lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Mike, you're avoiding the questions. When and where did you play
>> one, and who did it belong to. Your first email was pointed and
>> filled with opinions. Fair enough. But in his rebuttal, Dave
>> asked fair questions. Your retort was silly. Support the reasons
>> for your opinion. I think that's reasonable. There isn't one
>> credible word in the statement below.
>>
>> Frank
>
> No, Frank. Dave's response was rude. He called Mike a liar, did he
> not? I don't think you'd be too happy if someone you didn't know
> called you a liar. If Dave wanted questions answered, he should
> have asked them in a civilized manner. It's lucky that Mike is
> just so damn nice about these kinds of things.
>
> Or not.
>
> Rick
>
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Rick-Im not rude

2009-04-14 by lsf5275@aol.com

This has to be Dave Biro.
 
 
In a message dated 4/14/2009 1:05:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
trondave@gmail.com writes:

Sorry John...I DO KNOW....and as  soon as Mike  explains himself, I will 
tell you how I  know........ I  kn


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Re: [newmellotrongroup] Rick-Im not rude

2009-04-14 by john barrick

You mean he's not Will Davis?


lsf5275@aol.com wrote:
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> This has to be Dave Biro.
>  
> In a message dated 4/14/2009 1:05:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> trondave@gmail.com writes:
>
>     Sorry John...I *DO* KNOW....and as soon as Mike  explains himself,
>     I will tell you *how* I know.......... dave
>
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] Rick-Im not rude

2009-04-14 by will davis

We are talking about the instrument, not me !
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Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:26 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Rick-Im not rude

You mean he's not Will Davis?

lsf5275@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> This has to be Dave Biro.
>
> In a message dated 4/14/2009 1:05:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> trondave@gmail.com writes:
>
> Sorry John...I *DO* KNOW....and as soon as Mike explains himself,
> I will tell you *how* I know.......... dave
>
>
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] Rick-Im not rude

2009-04-14 by tronbros@aol.com

Mike played a Birotron here at Streetly and the action was not to our  
tastes.  I didn't like it neither did John, Mike and probably not even  the 
current owner!
 
M
 
Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic
_www.mellotronics.com_ (http://www.mellotronics.com/) 

US  Sales East: Jimmy Moore_  JMoore6397@aol.com_ 
(http://JMoore6397@aol.com/) 
US Sales West: Paul Cox_  pjc56@earthlink_ (mailto:pjc56@earthlink)

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Rick-Im not rude

2009-04-14 by tronbros@aol.com

To sum up..........
 
The Birotron in it's marketed form was a flawed design that was well  
engineered from a sturdy construction point of view (nice castings) but having  
taken one apart and rebuilt it from the ground up, the end result just didn't 
 justify the effort and expense.  The feel was poor, the ensuing noise  was 
a grave disappointment.  Low fi, azimuthy, noisy and pointless.   Sad but 
true.  Very collectable though.............just like  Trabants!
 
M
........and I never want to lace two complete sets of Birotron cartridges  
EVER again!  
 
Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic and Mike was  there!
_www.mellotronics.com_ (http://www.mellotronics.com/) 

US  Sales East: Jimmy Moore_  JMoore6397@aol.com_ 
(http://JMoore6397@aol.com/) 
US Sales West: Paul Cox_  pjc56@earthlink_ (mailto:pjc56@earthlink)

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Rick-Im not rude

2009-04-14 by Huff Talbot

Also sounds like a very good description of a mellotron!
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--- On Tue, 4/14/09, tronbros@aol.com wrote:
From: tronbros@aol.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Rick-Im not rude
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 8:42 AM

To sum up..........
The Birotron in it's marketed form was a flawed design that was well engineered from a sturdy construction point of view (nice castings) but having taken one apart and rebuilt it from the ground up, the end result just didn't justify the effort and expense. The feel was poor, the ensuing noise was a grave disappointment. Low fi, azimuthy, noisy and pointless. Sad but true. Very collectable though...... .......just like Trabants!
M
........and I never want to lace two complete sets of Birotron cartridges EVER again!
Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic and Mike was there!
www.mellotronics. com
US Sales East: Jimmy Moore JMoore6397@aol. com
US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink


Re: [newmellotrongroup] Rick-Im not rude

2009-04-14 by Rick Blechta

On Apr 13, 2009, at 10:51 PM, will davis wrote:

> Rick...I am not being rude when I acuse someone who is not telling  
> the truth that he is a liar. Has he tried to explain himself?  
> No...not in the least !  I still want to know....WHEN, WHERE, and  
> OWNER !!!   dave

I don't know where you were brought up, Dave, but where I come from,  
calling someone a liar when you don't have all the information is  
rude. If you had asked your questions directly, along the lines of,  
"I'm curious, Mike. When and where did you play a Birotron", and then  
he didn't come clean, you could then justifiably call him a liar. But  
to call Mike a liar right out of the box? No. It's rude.

Rick

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Rick-Im not rude

2009-04-14 by tony1

Finally the voice of reason and experience!
Thanks Martin, as I thought I had subscribed to some worthless soap opera news group bull shit.
Tony #510
U.S.A.
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Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 4:15 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Rick-Im not rude

Mike played a Birotron here at Streetly and the action was not to our tastes. I didn't like it neither did John, Mike and probably not even the current owner!
M
Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic
www.mellotronics.com
US Sales East: Jimmy Moore JMoore6397@aol.com
US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink

Re: Rick-Im not rude

2009-04-14 by ceccles_ca

OK Dave, Your questions have been answered.  Tell us your story.

Clay

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "will davis" <trondave@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry John...I DO KNOW....and as soon as Mike  explains himself, I will tell you how I know.......... dave

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Rick-Im not rude

2009-04-14 by Mike Dickson

Sigh...
  • The one I played was #005 which is the same one Ryo is now selling on e-Bay.
  • I played it at Streetly some years ago when it was being renovated
  • I found the sound reproduction pretty crummy, and the clattering of the cartridges distracting
  • I also found the key action horrid. I found it heavy, hugely 'oversprung' and more tiring on the hands than even the Mellotron.
That's all there is to it. Please don't bother to retract your remark about me being a liar, Dave. I'd rather not hear from you again.

Mike


will davis wrote:

Rick...I am not being rude when I acuse someone who is not telling the truth that he is a liar. Has he tried to explain himself? No...not in the least ! I still want to know....WHEN, WHERE, and OWNER !!! dave
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Birotron on ebay


On Apr 13, 2009, at 9:30 PM, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:

Mike, you're avoiding the questions. When and where did you play one, and who did it belong to. Your first email was pointed and filled with opinions. Fair enough. But in his rebuttal, Dave asked fair questions. Your retort was silly. Support the reasons for your opinion. I think that's reasonable. There isn't one credible word in the statement below.
Frank

No, Frank. Dave's response was rude. He called Mike a liar, did he not? I don't think you'd be too happy if someone you didn't know called you a liar. If Dave wanted questions answered, he should have asked them in a civilized manner. It's lucky that Mike is just so damn nice about these kinds of things.

Or not.

Rick

-- 
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

Free Music Project: http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson
Or http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Rick-Im not rude

2009-04-14 by tronbros@aol.com

In a message dated 14/04/2009 18:57:49 GMT Standard Time,  
mike.dickson@gmail.com writes:

The one I played was #005 which is the same one Ryo is now selling on  
e-Bay. 


Previously it was Peter Baumann's from Tangerine Dirge.
 
M
 
Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic
_www.mellotronics.com_ (http://www.mellotronics.com/) 

US  Sales East: Jimmy Moore_  JMoore6397@aol.com_ 
(http://JMoore6397@aol.com/) 
US Sales West: Paul Cox_  pjc56@earthlink_ (mailto:pjc56@earthlink)

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Rick-Im not rude

2009-04-14 by Mike Dickson

That explains much.

tronbros@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 14/04/2009 18:57:49 GMT Standard Time, 
> mike.dickson@gmail.com writes:
>
>   # The one I played was #005 which is the same one Ryo is now selling
>     on e-Bay.
>
> Previously it was Peter Baumann's from Tangerine Dirge.
>  
> M
>  
> *Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic
> www.mellotronics.com <http://www.mellotronics.com/>*
> US Sales East: Jimmy Moore JMoore6397@aol.com <http://JMoore6397@aol.com/>
> US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink <mailto:pjc56@earthlink>
>
> 

-- 
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

Free Music Project: http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson
Or http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Rick-Im not rude

2009-04-14 by lsf5275@aol.com

Is it OK if he calls you other names now?
 
 
In a message dated 4/14/2009 1:57:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mike.dickson@gmail.com writes:

 
 


Sigh...
    *   The one I played was #005 which is the same one Ryo is now selling 
on  e-Bay.  
    *   I played it at Streetly some years ago when it was being renovated  
    *   I found the sound reproduction pretty crummy, and the clattering of 
the  cartridges distracting  
    *   I also found the key action horrid. I found it heavy, hugely  
'oversprung' and more tiring on the hands than even the Mellotron.  
That's all there is to it. Please don't bother to retract your  remark 
about me being a liar, Dave. I'd rather not hear from you again.  

Mike





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