The Mellotron Group

Just curious,has anyone on this list ever been able to sus out and recreate ( more or less ) what Pinder is playing on 'The Word' from ISOTLC? Don't think it's just random noodling,nor that he lost the chord sheet : )

Cheers

Hey Hessel-

There is a very low mellotron played on the poem "The Word" (which is better revealed on the SACD extras, and is probably 3-violins), is this what you refer to? Or are you talking about the 'tron in "Om"? That mystifies me, too. Maybe it's 3-violins with a bass organ.

-Bruce D.

--- On Sun, 7/13/08, Hessel Herder <hessel@soundscape.nl> wrote:

From: Hessel Herder <hessel@soundscape.nl>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] The Word / OM
To: "New Group" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, July 13, 2008, 3:15 PM

Just curious,has anyone on this list ever been able to sus out and recreate ( more or less ) what Pinder is playing on 'The Word' from ISOTLC? Don't think it's just random noodling,nor that he lost the chord sheet : )

Cheers

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, tronbros@... wrote:

>
>
>
> In a message dated 14/07/2008 10:27:17 GMT Standard Time,
> hessel@... writes:
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> Maybe there’s some bootleg version which has got just the tron

part, without

> Edge’s pottery
>
>
> If there is one thing I hate about Moodies albums, it's the

spoken word.

> Claptrap from start to finish. Discuss.
>
> M
>

It's still better than Snoop Dogg.

Bernie

"If there is one thing I hate about Moodies albums, it's the spoken word. Claptrap from start to finish. Discuss."


Of course you are, my bright little star... Yes, I know it's generally guff, but I'll stick up for the spoken interludes.
It's possibly a 'Midlands thing' involving all sorts of odd personal nostalgic reflexes..

I like the idea of these would-be cosmic Brummies (with their big 'tashes and their nifty dance moves)
-who all look like guests at my parents' wedding- getting the wrong end of the stick regarding Leary and the Astral Plane.
They may have been pretentious, they may have just suffered from the fact that Midlands English isn't necessarily thought of as an obvious accent of poetry and there's something inherently sensible
about the sound of thoughtful Brum.

Hang on a mo.. Every poem ever read to me sounded like that. It's the sound of HOME and probably the sound of Shakespeare.
(I may well be on shaky ground there, I'faith..)

Bless'em!

They were working it out for themselves and boldly went where no man could be arsed to go before.
I can't even SEE tarmac without the Moodies coming to mind. Come on, for all their naivety they did at least have a go. Wave a flag!

I don't actually mind the ropey bits that much as they always sounded like they were going for it. Which is probably more important sometimes.

Moustaches and all.

Whilst tripping.

Christ on a bike.

Love and Scones,

msw



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> On Jul 14, 2008, at 6:12 AM, tronbros@... wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 14/07/2008 10:27:17 GMT Standard Time, hessel@...
> > writes:
> > Maybe there's some bootleg version which has got just the tron part,
> > without Edge's pottery
> > If there is one thing I hate about Moodies albums, it's the spoken
> > word. Claptrap from start to finish. Discusst.

Call me daft (you wouldn't be the first), but I always found that the
stuff the Moodies did between songs was more interesting than the
songs themselves. Same thing with Hawkwind. Though the tunes were
usually rather catchy, they really didn't have much to offer, and the
lyrics (here we go again) were banal in extremis (says he who, only by
the purest of flukes, has ever composed one song - listen to "This is
It" at http://www.myspace.com/jimab).

Jim Bailey
"I may not know much about art, but I know what I like." Pope Cleese

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@...> wrote:

>
> Or are you talking about the 'tron in "Om"? That mystifies me, too.
> Maybe it's 3-violins with a bass organ.

(Coming in hours later as usual...)

I think that the deepest sound you're hearing on the E-B-E bits might be (shock horror) a
real Double Bass (bowed). There's a strong bow-sound ahead of the last but one occurrence.
... Although the 3 violins sound like they're half-speed ...

Moodies used real cellos and d-bass occasionally back then. Bass flute can be heard on
other recordings too.

O

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "Hessel Herder" <hessel@...> wrote:

> Hi Owen
> Have you been able to discern and more or less recreate what Pinder is
> playing in "The Word" or do you know if there's a
> version out there with just the tron part?

Not yet! The SACD alternative version mentioned previously is probably the best bet for a
clear tron part. I might have a go at figuring it out when I get time (managed "Out and In" a
year or so ago, which was fun).

O

Have you rerecorded,would love to hear it! : )

Cheers,H

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
Van: "thinkingalouduk" <owen@thinking-aloud.co.uk>
Aan: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Verzonden: 15-7-08 22:17
Onderwerp: [newmellotrongroup] Re: The Word / OM

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "Hessel Herder" <hessel@...> wrote:
> Hi Owen
> Have you been able to discern and more or less recreate what Pinder is
> playing in "The Word" or do you know if there's a
> version out there with just the tron part?

Not yet! The SACD alternative version mentioned previously is probably the best bet for a
clear tron part. I might have a go at figuring it out when I get time (managed "Out and In" a
year or so ago, which was fun).

O

Oops, what I meant to say was "3-violins in unison with a 'tron bass organ". It sounds like something Pinder could play side by side on the MK2. But the bass viol is a definite possiblity.

-Bruce D.

--- On Tue, 7/15/08, thinkingalouduk <owen@thinking-aloud.co.uk> wrote:

From: thinkingalouduk <owen@thinking-aloud.co.uk>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: The Word / OM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 2:27 AM

--- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@.. .> wrote:
>
> Or are you talking about the 'tron in "Om"? That mystifies me, too.
> Maybe it's 3-violins with a bass organ.

(Coming in hours later as usual...)

I think that the deepest sound you're hearing on the E-B-E bits might be (shock horror) a
real Double Bass (bowed). There's a strong bow-sound ahead of the last but one occurrence.
... Although the 3 violins sound like they're half-speed ...

Moodies used real cellos and d-bass occasionally back then. Bass flute can be heard on
other recordings too.

O

-----Original Message-----
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To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 6:12 am
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] The Word / OM

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For a short time only...

http://www.thinking-aloud.co.uk/outandin.php

Owen

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Hessel Herder <hessel@...> wrote:
>
> Have you rerecorded,would love to hear it! : )
>
> Cheers,H
>> (managed "Out and In" a year or so ago, which was fun).
>> O

I'm replying to my own posts now...

Going back to The Word, here's a scored version. No guarantees it's note perfect, but I
played it in parallel with the original and it seems to fit quite well. There are no bars in
the original, so I've grouped each chord phrase into a bar for clarity. Tempo varies! Add
tons of reverb and judicious use of volume pedal.

(Also in the original, it's in stereo, with one part lagging behind the other a little in places,
giving some interesting intermediate sounds.) The last chord isn't heard in the original
album version.

http://www.thinking-aloud.co.uk/temp/TheWord.jpg

O

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "thinkingalouduk" <owen@...> wrote:
>
> For a short time only...
>
> http://www.thinking-aloud.co.uk/outandin.php
>
> Owen
>
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Hessel Herder <hessel@> wrote:
> >
> > Have you rerecorded,would love to hear it! : )
> >
> > Cheers,H
> >> (managed "Out and In" a year or so ago, which was fun).
> >> O
>

Owen,
Beautiful!
Pete

thinkingalouduk wrote:

> For a short time only...
>
> http://www.thinking-aloud.co.uk/outandin.php
>
> Owen
>