The Mellotron Group

Does anybody know which organ sound they used? Any recommendations for
musical examples of the MkII organs? I know that Pinder used the Church
Organ sound extensively, but what about the other organs?

Bernie

The Cirkus organ is a Lowrey organ recording on the MkII I think- I played it on Jerry Korb’s MkI last summer.
The intro to Seven Stones is the Hammond on the MkII.


Does anybody know which organ sound they used? Any recommendations for
musical examples of the MkII organs? I know that Pinder used the Church
Organ sound extensively, but what about the other organs?

Bernie

Thanks for the info. This contradicts the listing of lead sounds on Markus’ site.







In a message dated 07/07/2008 20:42:24 GMT Standard Time, tomdcour@amnh.org writes:

The Cirkus organ is a Lowrey organ recording on the MkII I think- I played it on Jerry Korb’s MkI last summer.
The intro to Seven Stones is the Hammond on the MkII.

According to Geoff Unwin, mellotron demonstrator from the outset, there are no Hammond sounds on the MK1/MKII. They are all Lowrey.

M

Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic

www.mellotronics.com <http://www.mellotronics.com/>
US Sales East: Jimmy Moore JMoore6397@aol.com <http://JMoore6397@aol.com/>
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Thanks for the info. This contradicts the listing of lead sounds on Markus’ site.

>
>
>
> In a message dated 07/07/2008 20:42:24 GMT Standard Time,

> writes:
>
> The Cirkus organ is a Lowrey organ recording on the MkII I think-

> it on Jerry Korb’s MkI last summer.
> The intro to Seven Stones is the Hammond on the MkII.
>
>
>
> According to Geoff Unwin, mellotron demonstrator from the outset,

> no Hammond sounds on the MK1/MKII. They are all Lowrey.
>
> M
>

--- On Tue, 7/8/08, Bernie <kornowicz@cox.net> wrote:

From: Bernie <kornowicz@cox.net>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: King Crimson - Cirkus
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 9:22 AM

--- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, tronbros@... wrote:
>
>
>
> In a message dated 07/07/2008 20:42:24 GMT Standard Time,
tomdcour@...
> writes:
>
> The Cirkus organ is a Lowrey organ recording on the MkII I think-
I played
> it on Jerry Korb’s MkI last summer.
> The intro to Seven Stones is the Hammond on the MkII.
>
>
>
> According to Geoff Unwin, mellotron demonstrator from the outset,
there are
> no Hammond sounds on the MK1/MKII. They are all Lowrey.
>
> M
>

Oh yeah, it's been mentioned here before. I've got to stop using
Marcus' and M-Tron's naming conventions and refer to the station
location instead.

so...

Right keyboard:

Station 1C - Is this the Cirkus organ?

Station 5A - How about this one?

Station 5C - Maybe this one?

Station 6C - both Mellotron.com and Chandor Chasma refer to this as
Church Organ. I believe this is the one on Seven Stones and the one
that Pinder favored.

Is the organ on the left keyboard the same as any of the above?

What is the Harpsichord Effect? Is it not a real harpsichord?

Bernie

--- On Tue, 7/8/08, Jon <jonesalley@cox.net> wrote:

From: Jon <jonesalley@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: King Crimson - Cirkus
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 11:56 AM

---If you happened to have one sitting around, yes, but it wouldn't sound like a Mellotron then.

Wouldn't it be simpler just to use a Lowrey organ?

> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, tronbros@... wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 07/07/2008 20:42:24 GMT Standard Time,
> tomdcour@...
>> writes:
>>
>> The Cirkus organ is a Lowrey organ recording on the MkII I think-
> I played
>> it on Jerry Korb’s MkI last summer.
>> The intro to Seven Stones is the Hammond on the MkII.
>>
>>
>>
>> According to Geoff Unwin, mellotron demonstrator from the outset,
> there are
>> no Hammond sounds on the MK1/MKII. They are all Lowrey.
>>
>> M
>>
>
> Oh yeah, it's been mentioned here before. I've got to stop using
> Marcus' and M-Tron's naming conventions and refer to the station
> location instead.
>
> so...
>
> Right keyboard:
>
> Station 1C - Is this the Cirkus organ?
>
> Station 5A - How about this one?
>
> Station 5C - Maybe this one?
>
> Station 6C - both Mellotron.com and Chandor Chasma refer to this as
> Church Organ. I believe this is the one on Seven Stones and the one
> that Pinder favored.
>
> Is the organ on the left keyboard the same as any of the above?
>
> What is the Harpsichord Effect? Is it not a real harpsichord?
>
> Bernie
>
>
>

--- On Tue, 7/8/08, MAinPsych@aol.com <MAinPsych@aol.com> wrote:

From: MAinPsych@aol.com <MAinPsych@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: King Crimson - Cirkus
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 3:55 PM

In a message dated 7/7/2008 6:51:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, tomdcour@amnh. org writes:

I think 5a is the Seven Stones sound. I remember 5c as the Cirkus sound
although someone who actually owns a MkII would know for sure. I've
played around with the "hammond' organ on the Pinder sample disk and it
sounds like a dead ringer for "Seven Stones". The 6c Church organ is the
sound Pinder used. I hope Markus doesn't die or the world end if I am
mistaken in any of this!

I do have Mike Pinder's original tapes from my #134 which would clear the mystery; HOWEVER, 134 has had bespoke tapes in it since its restoration in 2003-2004, and my memory isn't that good. Brian Kehew's 2nd MkII has standard MkII tapes, so he could readily tell which organ is which, but I don't believe that Brian is on this list.

6C is definitely Pinder's choice.

Frank Samagaio

Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars.

>
> I suppose you could put mike's tapes back in for a bit.
>
> Mark
> --- On *Tue, 7/8/08, MAinPsych@aol.com /<MAinPsych@aol.com>/* wrote:
>
> From: MAinPsych@aol.com <MAinPsych@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: King Crimson - Cirkus
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 3:55 PM
>
> In a message dated 7/7/2008 6:51:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> tomdcour@amnh. org writes:
>
> I think 5a is the Seven Stones sound. I remember 5c as the
> Cirkus sound
> although someone who actually owns a MkII would know for sure.
> I've
> played around with the "hammond' organ on the Pinder sample
> disk and it
> sounds like a dead ringer for "Seven Stones". The 6c Church
> organ is the
> sound Pinder used. I hope Markus doesn't die or the world end
> if I am
> mistaken in any of this!
>
> *I do have Mike Pinder's original tapes from my #134 which would
> clear the mystery; HOWEVER, 134 has had bespoke tapes in it since
> its restoration in 2003-2004, and my memory isn't that good.
> Brian Kehew's 2nd MkII has standard MkII tapes, so he could
> readily tell which organ is which, but I don't believe that Brian
> is on this list.*
> **
> *6C is definitely Pinder's choice.*
> **
> *Frank Samagaio*
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient
> used cars <http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007>.
>
>
>

--- On Tue, 7/8/08, john barrick <astroboy@cinci.rr.com> wrote:

From: john barrick <astroboy@cinci.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: King Crimson - Cirkus
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 5:26 PM

Forgive me if you put a little smiley face at the end there and I didn't
receive it, Mark, but that's a fairly major undertaking.
jb

Mark Pring wrote:
>
> I suppose you could put mike's tapes back in for a bit.
>
> Mark
> --- On *Tue, 7/8/08, MAinPsych@aol. com /<MAinPsych@aol. com>/* wrote:
>
> From: MAinPsych@aol. com <MAinPsych@aol. com>
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: King Crimson - Cirkus
> To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 3:55 PM
>
> In a message dated 7/7/2008 6:51:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> tomdcour@amnh. org writes:
>
> I think 5a is the Seven Stones sound. I remember 5c as the
> Cirkus sound
> although someone who actually owns a MkII would know for sure.
> I've
> played around with the "hammond' organ on the Pinder sample
> disk and it
> sounds like a dead ringer for "Seven Stones". The 6c Church
> organ is the
> sound Pinder used. I hope Markus doesn't die or the world end
> if I am
> mistaken in any of this!
>
> *I do have Mike Pinder's original tapes from my #134 which would
> clear the mystery; HOWEVER, 134 has had bespoke tapes in it since
> its restoration in 2003-2004, and my memory isn't that good.
> Brian Kehew's 2nd MkII has standard MkII tapes, so he could
> readily tell which organ is which, but I don't believe that Brian
> is on this list.*
> **
> *6C is definitely Pinder's choice.*
> **
> *Frank Samagaio*
>
>
>
> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
> Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient
> used cars <http://autos. aol.com/used? ncid=aolaut00050 000000007>.
>
>
>

>
> Hi John, the smiley face was there, but what the hell it's only 60
> feet of tape times 35 keys, you wouldn't need to bother doing the
> rythmn section! :)
>
> Mark
>
>
> --- On *Tue, 7/8/08, john barrick /<astroboy@cinci.rr.com>/* wrote:
>
> From: john barrick <astroboy@cinci.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: King Crimson - Cirkus
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 5:26 PM
>
> Forgive me if you put a little smiley face at the end there and I
> didn't
> receive it, Mark, but that's a fairly major undertaking.
> jb
>
> Mark Pring wrote:
> >
> > I suppose you could put mike's tapes back in for a bit.
> >
> > Mark
> > --- On *Tue, 7/8/08, MAinPsych@aol. com
> <mailto:MAinPsych%40aol.com> /<MAinPsych@aol. com
> <mailto:MAinPsych%40aol.com>>/* wrote:
> >
> > From: MAinPsych@aol. com <mailto:MAinPsych%40aol.com>
> <MAinPsych@aol. com <mailto:MAinPsych%40aol.com>>
> > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: King Crimson - Cirkus
> > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 3:55 PM
> >
> > In a message dated 7/7/2008 6:51:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> > tomdcour@amnh. org writes:
> >
> > I think 5a is the Seven Stones sound. I remember 5c as the
> > Cirkus sound
> > although someone who actually owns a MkII would know for sure.
> > I've
> > played around with the "hammond' organ on the Pinder sample
> > disk and it
> > sounds like a dead ringer for "Seven Stones". The 6c Church
> > organ is the
> > sound Pinder used. I hope Markus doesn't die or the world end
> > if I am
> > mistaken in any of this!
> >
> > *I do have Mike Pinder's original tapes from my #134 which would
> > clear the mystery; HOWEVER, 134 has had bespoke tapes in it since
> > its restoration in 2003-2004, and my memory isn't that good.
> > Brian Kehew's 2nd MkII has standard MkII tapes, so he could
> > readily tell which organ is which, but I don't believe that Brian
> > is on this list.*
> > **
> > *6C is definitely Pinder's choice.*
> > **
> > *Frank Samagaio*
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -
> > Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient
> > used cars <http://autos. aol.com/used? ncid=aolaut00050
> 000000007 <http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007>>.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

>
> Well why didn't you say so in the first place...
>
>
> Mark Pring wrote:
> >
> > Hi John, the smiley face was there, but what the hell it's only

> > feet of tape times 35 keys, you wouldn't need to bother doing

> > rythmn section! :)
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > --- On *Tue, 7/8/08, john barrick /<astroboy@...>/* wrote:
> >
> > From: john barrick <astroboy@...>
> > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: King Crimson - Cirkus
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 5:26 PM
> >
> > Forgive me if you put a little smiley face at the end there

> > didn't
> > receive it, Mark, but that's a fairly major undertaking.
> > jb
> >
> > Mark Pring wrote:
> > >
> > > I suppose you could put mike's tapes back in for a bit.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > > --- On *Tue, 7/8/08, MAinPsych@aol. com
> > <mailto:MAinPsych%40aol.com> /<MAinPsych@aol. com
> > <mailto:MAinPsych%40aol.com>>/* wrote:
> > >
> > > From: MAinPsych@aol. com <mailto:MAinPsych%40aol.com>
> > <MAinPsych@aol. com <mailto:MAinPsych%40aol.com>>
> > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: King Crimson - Cirkus
> > > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> > <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 3:55 PM
> > >
> > > In a message dated 7/7/2008 6:51:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight

> > > tomdcour@amnh. org writes:
> > >
> > > I think 5a is the Seven Stones sound. I remember 5c as the
> > > Cirkus sound
> > > although someone who actually owns a MkII would know for

> > > I've
> > > played around with the "hammond' organ on the Pinder sample
> > > disk and it
> > > sounds like a dead ringer for "Seven Stones". The 6c Church
> > > organ is the
> > > sound Pinder used. I hope Markus doesn't die or the world

> > > if I am
> > > mistaken in any of this!
> > >
> > > *I do have Mike Pinder's original tapes from my #134 which

> > > clear the mystery; HOWEVER, 134 has had bespoke tapes in

> > > its restoration in 2003-2004, and my memory isn't that

> > > Brian Kehew's 2nd MkII has standard MkII tapes, so he could
> > > readily tell which organ is which, but I don't believe

> > > is on this list.*
> > > **
> > > *6C is definitely Pinder's choice.*
> > > **
> > > *Frank Samagaio*
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------

> > > Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-

> > > used cars <http://autos. aol.com/used? ncid=aolaut00050
> > 000000007 <http://autos.aol.com/used?

> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

According to Ian McDonald, in The Mellotron Book, the MkII was put through a Marshall stack and miked.

My question: Does Martin feign ignorance or is that an inborn trait?

How soon we forget,

Frank Samagaio

San Diego CA

owner, MkII #134 (Pindertron) / M400 #908

author, The Mellotron Book

In all the photos of that-era KC that I've seen, they're using HiWatt stacks (they were also endorsers of HiWatt) and this is what Ian told me in 2005 they used for the recording of the album. I can't see them using HiWatt onstage and switching to something else in the studio. They tried to record the album as much "off the floor" as they could and it seems to me that they'd just drag their usual equipment into the studio and play.

Has anyone seen any photos that refute my claim? That could give this discussion a lead or two.

Maybe Ian didn't remember clearly what they'd used when he talked to you, Frank. Being a sax player primarily, he'd probably just think "that bloody big amp behind me" when he was playing. In my experience, sax players get big johnsons discussing makes of saxes and what reeds and mouthpieces they like. They couldn't care less about amplifiers. Guitarists, on the other hand... ;)

Rick

That may well be so. I recall one other time that he wasn't so sure, stating either a Marshall or a Hiwatt stack. Remember, Pinder's memory wasn't all that hot either (by his own admission). Gotta get back to my Selmer Series 10 with Selmer mouthpiece, reverse ligature, and Vandoren reeds...

Frank

No, no, no! It's got to be a Berg Larsen mouthpiece, otherwise you'll probably sound like one of those bloody classical players! Although, with the Larsen, you might want to have the facing reground to open it up more.

Rick

In a message dated 08/07/2008 14:55:24 GMT Standard Time, MAinPsych@aol.com writes:

My question: Does Martin feign ignorance or is that an inborn trait?

I mainly find this tedious and a distraction! If I get it wrong I really don't care one jot.

M

Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic

www.mellotronics.com
US Sales East: Jimmy Moore JMoore6397@aol.com
US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink.

Hey Martin,

Tell us more about the condition of the Crimson trons when you received them. The famous pictures on the web show one of the Mark II’s (the one with the handles on the side) almost completely destroyed. I saw Ian bash the top of that tron during Mars at the West Palm Beach Festival in 1969. No wonder….

So what did you have to do to restore them?

Martin told me that one of them was rabid and had to be put down.

> In a message dated 07/07/2008 21:42:19 GMT Standard Time,
> hessel@soundscape.nl writes:
>
> Was this recorded direct or amped?
>
> Interestingly.............or maybe not, TCotCK (abbreviated just to
> annoy)was recorded by sending the MKII through a Wem stack and miking
> that(or so we've been told) but when the MKIIs came into us, they had
> been modified to a 1/4" jack output and maybe this was for direct
> injection but who knows for certain. I don't, my mum Betty doesn't
> and neither does the bloke down the pub with a whippet.

>
>
>
>
> On Tue 08/07/08 9:54 AM , MAinPsych@aol.com sent:
>
>
> According to Ian McDonald, in The Mellotron Book, the MkII was put
> through a Marshall stack and miked.
>
> My question: Does Martin feign ignorance or is that an inborn trait?
>
> How soon we forget,
> Frank Samagaio
> San Diego CA
> owner, MkII #134 (Pindertron) / M400 #908
> author, The Mellotron Book
>
> In all the photos of that-era KC that I've seen, they're using
> HiWatt stacks (they were also endorsers of HiWatt) and this is
> what Ian told me in 2005 they used for the recording of the album.
> I can't see them using HiWatt onstage and switching to something
> else in the studio. They tried to record the album as much "off
> the floor" as they could and it seems to me that they'd just drag
> their usual equipment into the studio and play.
>
> Has anyone seen any photos that refute my claim? That could give
> this discussion a lead or two.
>
> Maybe Ian didn't remember clearly what they'd used when he talked
> to you, Frank. Being a sax player primarily, he'd probably just
> think "that bloody big amp behind me" when he was playing. In my
> experience, sax players get big johnsons discussing makes of saxes
> and what reeds and mouthpieces they like. They couldn't care less
> about amplifiers. Guitarists, on the other hand... ;)
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>

>
> Great story, Martin… and thanks…
>
> Watching King Crimson Mark I play for two days of that festival
> certainly changed my musical life. As a 14 year old hearing real
> progressive rock with a Mellotron was certainly inspirational. Ever
> since sitting in the rain that cold Friday night I have been enamored
> with the history of that band….
>
> When I saw the pictures of the Crimson trons on the web I could not
> believe how they could be in such disastrous shape. Such history… I am
> glad that the Poseidon tron is safe with you guys.
>
> DJ
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *tronbros@aol.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 08, 2008 11:53 AM
> *To:* newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [newmellotrongroup] King Crimson - Trons
>
> Okay Dave, you asked nicely!
>
> Both MKIIs had been stored in a removal company's lockup and were
> covered head to toe in black, sticky diesel dust. They were
> unbelievably rough. Bearing in mind that these were the first
> restorations for John and myself and I had no knowledge whatsoever of
> procedures. I couldn't even take the keyboards off and so I was given
> very menial tasks and rightly so. John stripped them down to the
> components and built them back up, cleaning everything prior to
> reassembly. Not polishing and gleaming, just removing the years of
> filth. Luckily the tapes had been cycled to safe positions where the
> majority was spooled and clean. Just the hanging loops needed the
> alcohol treatment. I think John may have had to strengthen the
> cabinets but this was in 1990 and a long time ago. Anyway, they worked
> and we took the CK MKII down to Real World for the recording of Thrak
> along with Roberts M400s. They were in a semi circle in the control
> room and they worked a treat but got little use sadly. The Wake of P.
> MKII has been with us ever since and now needs restoring again along
> with the M400s. Sad considering the time and effort and little money
> earned. That's not Robert's fault, we just undercharged enormously in
> those naive days. It was a hobby and we were working on the Crimso
> 'trons. What a fix!
>
> Best,
>
> Martin
>
> *Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic
> **_
> www.mellotronics.com <http://www.mellotronics.com/>_*_
> US Sales East: Jimmy Moore JMoore6397@aol.com <http://JMoore6397@aol.com/>
> US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink. <http://pjc56@earthlink.net/>_
>
>

>
> Great story, Martin… and thanks…
>
> Watching King Crimson Mark I play for two days of that festival
> certainly changed my musical life. As a 14 year old hearing real
> progressive rock with a Mellotron was certainly inspirational. Ever
> since sitting in the rain that cold Friday night I have been enamored
> with the history of that band….
>
> When I saw the pictures of the Crimson trons on the web I could not
> believe how they could be in such disastrous shape. Such history… I am
> glad that the Poseidon tron is safe with you guys.
>
> DJ
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *tronbros@aol.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 08, 2008 11:53 AM
> *To:* newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [newmellotrongroup] King Crimson - Trons
>
> Okay Dave, you asked nicely!
>
> Both MKIIs had been stored in a removal company's lockup and were
> covered head to toe in black, sticky diesel dust. They were
> unbelievably rough. Bearing in mind that these were the first
> restorations for John and myself and I had no knowledge whatsoever of
> procedures. I couldn't even take the keyboards off and so I was given
> very menial tasks and rightly so. John stripped them down to the
> components and built them back up, cleaning everything prior to
> reassembly. Not polishing and gleaming, just removing the years of
> filth. Luckily the tapes had been cycled to safe positions where the
> majority was spooled and clean. Just the hanging loops needed the
> alcohol treatment. I think John may have had to strengthen the
> cabinets but this was in 1990 and a long time ago. Anyway, they worked
> and we took the CK MKII down to Real World for the recording of Thrak
> along with Roberts M400s. They were in a semi circle in the control
> room and they worked a treat but got little use sadly. The Wake of P.
> MKII has been with us ever since and now needs restoring again along
> with the M400s. Sad considering the time and effort and little money
> earned. That's not Robert's fault, we just undercharged enormously in
> those naive days. It was a hobby and we were working on the Crimso
> 'trons. What a fix!
>
> Best,
>
> Martin
>
> *Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic
> **_
> www.mellotronics.com <http://www.mellotronics.com/>_*_
> US Sales East: Jimmy Moore JMoore6397@aol.com <http://JMoore6397@aol.com/>
> US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink. <http://pjc56@earthlink.net/>_
>
>

On 7/8/08, MAinPsych@aol.com <MAinPsych@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> In either event, it was miked, not direct, which answers the basic
> question.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 1:20 pm
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] King Crimson - Cirkus
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ian /_*definitely *_/told me it was HiWatt. Mind you, he was pissed at
> the time.
>
> Mike
>
> Rick Blechta wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue 08/07/08 9:54 AM , MAinPsych@aol.com sent:
> >
> >
> > According to Ian McDonald, in The Mellotron Book, the MkII was put
> > through a Marshall stack and miked.
> >
> > My question: Does Martin feign ignorance or is that an inborn trait?
> >
> > How soon we forget,
> > Frank Samagaio
> > San Diego CA
> > owner, MkII #134 (Pindertron) / M400 #908
> > author, The Mellotron Book
> >
> > In all the photos of that-era KC that I've seen, they're using
> > HiWatt stacks (they were also endorsers of HiWatt) and this is
> > what Ian told me in 2005 they used for the recording of the album.
> > I can't see them using HiWatt onstage and switching to something
> > else in the studio. They tried to record the album as much "off
> > the floor" as they could and it seems to me that they'd just drag
> > their usual equipment into the studio and play.
> >
> > Has anyone seen any photos that refute my claim? That could give
> > this discussion a lead or two.
> >
> > Maybe Ian didn't remember clearly what they'd used when he talked
> > to you, Frank. Being a sax player primarily, he'd probably just
> > think "that bloody big amp behind me" when he was playing. In my
> > experience, sax players get big johnsons discussing makes of saxes
> > and what reeds and mouthpieces they like. They couldn't care less
> > about amplifiers. Guitarists, on the other hand... ;)
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________
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> Now!
>
>


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Engineer, Studio Supervisor
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>
> Hiwatts are clean, Marshalls are not. Unless you are going to play
> "Smoke on the Water", the Marshall won't work very well.
>
>
> On 7/8/08, MAinPsych@... <MAinPsych@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In either event, it was miked, not direct, which answers the

> > question.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...>
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 1:20 pm
> > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] King Crimson - Cirkus
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ian /_*definitely *_/told me it was HiWatt. Mind you, he was

> > the time.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Rick Blechta wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue 08/07/08 9:54 AM , MAinPsych@... sent:
> > >
> > >
> > > According to Ian McDonald, in The Mellotron Book, the MkII

> > > through a Marshall stack and miked.
> > >
> > > My question: Does Martin feign ignorance or is that an inborn

> > >
> > > How soon we forget,
> > > Frank Samagaio
> > > San Diego CA
> > > owner, MkII #134 (Pindertron) / M400 #908
> > > author, The Mellotron Book
> > >
> > > In all the photos of that-era KC that I've seen, they're using
> > > HiWatt stacks (they were also endorsers of HiWatt) and this is
> > > what Ian told me in 2005 they used for the recording of the

> > > I can't see them using HiWatt onstage and switching to

> > > else in the studio. They tried to record the album as

> > > the floor" as they could and it seems to me that they'd just

> > > their usual equipment into the studio and play.
> > >
> > > Has anyone seen any photos that refute my claim? That could

> > > this discussion a lead or two.
> > >
> > > Maybe Ian didn't remember clearly what they'd used when he

> > > to you, Frank. Being a sax player primarily, he'd probably

> > > think "that bloody big amp behind me" when he was playing. In

> > > experience, sax players get big johnsons discussing makes of

> > > and what reeds and mouthpieces they like. They couldn't care

> > > about amplifiers. Guitarists, on the other hand... ;)
> > >
> > > Rick
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > The Famous, the infamous, the lame - in your browser. Get the

> > Now!
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Wanted:
> Odd rare unusual and maligned electronic devices such as:

> (Found One !!), Kawai, Teisco synthesizers, other rarely remembered
> items
>
> µû¼ê
> Gino Wong
> Engineer, Studio Supervisor
> LBPH
> (800) 222-1754
>

>
>
>
>
>
>
> There are some Moodies video clips from a German TV show (which I
> can't find at the moment) where he's running his MkII through a
> Marshall head and it sounds pretty clean. I don't remember what he
> was using for speakers though.

> to the Tron. Can a Hiwatt sound like that if overdriven?

>

> Bernie
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "gino wong"
> <wonggster@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hiwatts are clean, Marshalls are not. Unless you are going to play
> > "Smoke on the Water", the Marshall won't work very well.
> >
> >
> > On 7/8/08, MAinPsych@... <MAinPsych@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In either event, it was miked, not direct, which answers the
> basic
> > > question.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...>
> > > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 1:20 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] King Crimson - Cirkus
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ian /_*definitely *_/told me it was HiWatt. Mind you, he was
> pissed at
> > > the time.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Rick Blechta wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue 08/07/08 9:54 AM , MAinPsych@... sent:
>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > According to Ian McDonald, in The Mellotron Book, the MkII
> was put
> > > > through a Marshall stack and miked.
> > > >
> > > > My question: Does Martin feign ignorance or is that an inborn
> trait?
> > > >
> > > > How soon we forget,
> > > > Frank Samagaio
> > > > San Diego CA
> > > > owner, MkII #134 (Pindertron) / M400 #908
> > > > author, The Mellotron Book
> > > >
> > > > In all the photos of that-era KC that I've seen, they're using
> > > > HiWatt stacks (they were also endorsers of HiWatt) and this is
> > > > what Ian told me in 2005 they used for the recording of the
> album.
> > > > I can't see them using HiWatt onstage and switching to
> something
> > > > else in the studio. They tried to record the album as
> much "off
> > > > the floor" as they could and it seems to me that they'd just
> drag
> > > > their usual equipment into the studio and play.
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone seen any photos that refute my claim? That could
> give
> > > > this discussion a lead or two.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe Ian didn't remember clearly what they'd used when he
> talked
> > > > to you, Frank. Being a sax player primarily, he'd probably
> just
> > > > think "that bloody big amp behind me" when he was playing. In
> my
> > > > experience, sax players get big johnsons discussing makes of
> saxes
> > > > and what reeds and mouthpieces they like. They couldn't care
> less
> > > > about amplifiers. Guitarists, on the other hand... ;)
> > > >
> > > > Rick
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > The Famous, the infamous, the lame - in your browser. Get the
> TMZ Toolbar
> > > Now!
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Wanted:
> > Odd rare unusual and maligned electronic devices such as:
> Davolisint
> > (Found One !!), Kawai, Teisco synthesizers, other rarely remembered
> > items
> >
> > µû¼ê
> > Gino Wong
> > Engineer, Studio Supervisor
> > LBPH
> > (800) 222-1754
> >
>
>
>
>