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Happy Birthday #1565?

Happy Birthday #1565?

2008-06-05 by Mark Pring

I am trying to work out when #1565 was built. On the old Steetly site it says 2000 M400 mellotrons were built from 1970-77. Models built after 73/4 were 400 SM and had the SMS2 motor control system.

#1565 is a 400S and has a CM10.

Was there ever a plain 400?
Where does the S fit in?

I would have thought that #1565 was towards the end of production run. Did they produce a lot fewer of the 400SM, say 3-400 and would that then make #1565 one of the last mellotrons with a CM 10 and a likely manufacture date of 1973?

Anybody know?

Mark

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Happy Birthday #1565?

2008-06-05 by jonesalley

They're all vanilla...

I am trying to work out when #1565 was built. On the old Steetly site it says 2000 M400 mellotrons were built from 1970-77. Models built after 73/4 were 400 SM and had the SMS2 motor control system.

#1565 is a 400S and has a CM10.

Was there ever a plain 400?
Where does the S fit in?

I would have thought that #1565 was towards the end of production run. Did they produce a lot fewer of the 400SM, say 3-400 and would that then make #1565 one of the last mellotrons with a CM 10 and a likely manufacture date of 1973?

Anybody know?

Mark

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Happy Birthday #1565?

2008-06-05 by john barrick

Hi Mark - I can't answer your question, but, #1407 is a 400SM and by the
time I purchased it, it had already been outfitted with an SMS4 motor
controller card. I have no clue as to what was originally there - I
assume an SMS2 or SMS3.
johnb


Mark Pring wrote:
>
> I am trying to work out when #1565 was built. On the old Steetly site
> it says 2000 M400 mellotrons were built from 1970-77. Models built
> after 73/4 were 400 SM and had the SMS2 motor control system.
>
> #1565 is a 400S and has a CM10.
>
> Was there ever a plain 400?
> Where does the S fit in?
>
> I would have thought that #1565 was towards the end of production run.
> Did they produce a lot fewer of the 400SM, say 3-400 and would that
> then make #1565 one of the last mellotrons with a CM 10 and a likely
> manufacture date of 1973?
>
> Anybody know?
>
> Mark
>
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Happy Birthday #1565?

2008-06-05 by Mark Pring

Thanks John,
I am assuming the serial numbers are in the order that the machines were manufactured, I wonder why mine has a CM10?

Mark

--- On Thu, 6/5/08, john barrick <astroboy@cinci.rr.com> wrote:
From: john barrick <astroboy@cinci.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Happy Birthday #1565?
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 4:09 PM

Hi Mark - I can't answer your question, but, #1407 is a 400SM and by the
time I purchased it, it had already been outfitted with an SMS4 motor
controller card. I have no clue as to what was originally there - I
assume an SMS2 or SMS3.
johnb

Mark Pring wrote:
>
> I am trying to work out when #1565 was built. On the old Steetly site
> it says 2000 M400 mellotrons were built from 1970-77. Models built
> after 73/4 were 400 SM and had the SMS2 motor control system.
>
> #1565 is a 400S and has a CM10.
>
> Was there ever a plain 400?
> Where does the S fit in?
>
> I would have thought that #1565 was towards the end of production run.
> Did they produce a lot fewer of the 400SM, say 3-400 and would that
> then make #1565 one of the last mellotrons with a CM 10 and a likely
> manufacture date of 1973?
>
> Anybody know?
>
> Mark
>
>


Re: [newmellotrongroup] Happy Birthday #1565?

2008-06-05 by lsf5275@aol.com

In a message dated 6/5/2008 1:33:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, markpringnz@yahoo.com writes:

Thanks John,
I am assuming the serial numbers are in the order that the machines were manufactured, I wonder why mine has a CM10?

I think the serial # order was compromised by Sound Sales.
Mark are you sure it doesn't say M400S on the ID plate? Mine was #1562, only 3 apart from yours and it came with a SMS-3 and a PML-1 preamp/line amp board instead of the old WME 289 and WME 290 preamp and line amp cards.
Regards,
Frank



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Re: [newmellotrongroup] Happy Birthday #1565?

2008-06-05 by Mark Pring

Hi Frank,
Yes #1565 is an M400S. The plates all say Streetly electonics, the control panel looks like the standard M400. But is #1565 a sound sales machine?

Mark

--- On Thu, 6/5/08, lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:
From: lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Happy Birthday #1565?
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 5:53 PM

In a message dated 6/5/2008 1:33:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, markpringnz@ yahoo.com writes:

Thanks John,
I am assuming the serial numbers are in the order that the machines were manufactured, I wonder why mine has a CM10?

I think the serial # order was compromised by Sound Sales.
Mark are you sure it doesn't say M400S on the ID plate? Mine was #1562, only 3 apart from yours and it came with a SMS-3 and a PML-1 preamp/line amp board instead of the old WME 289 and WME 290 preamp and line amp cards.
Regards,
Frank



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Re: [newmellotrongroup] Happy Birthday #1565?

2008-06-05 by tronbros@aol.com

Hi Mark,
1565 had it's final test on 15/8/74. It had standard Flute/Violins/Cello tapes, a CMC10, signal to noise of minus 59db(good!) and was checked by John Harthill(who taught John B), set up by B.W. Stewart, packed by Eddie Davies and had the frame built by Paul Teal. The bottom 4 heads have lower output than the rest. It has never been near Sound Sales thankfully and was probably sent directly to where it is now.
Best,
Martin
Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic

www.mellotronics.com
US Sales East: Jimmy Moore JMoore6397@aol.com
US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Happy Birthday #1565?

2008-06-05 by mellotronist

What was the (even approximate) date of the first M400?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 2:53 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Happy Birthday #1565?

Hi Mark,
1565 had it's final test on 15/8/74. It had standard Flute/Violins/Cello tapes, a CMC10, signal to noise of minus 59db(good!) and was checked by John Harthill(who taught John B), set up by B.W. Stewart, packed by Eddie Davies and had the frame built by Paul Teal. The bottom 4 heads have lower output than the rest. It has never been near Sound Sales thankfully and was probably sent directly to where it is now.
Best,
Martin
Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic

www.mellotronics.com
US Sales East: Jimmy Moore JMoore6397@aol.com
US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Happy Birthday #1565?

2008-06-05 by mellotronist

So, average production of about 500 units per year for the run?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 3:15 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Happy Birthday #1565?

In a message dated 05/06/2008 09:09:09 GMT Standard Time, mellotronist@cox.net writes:
What was the (even approximate) date of the first M400?
Sometime in 1971 but we don't have the test sheet and the early ones don't have dates anyway.
Best,
Martin
Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic

www.mellotronics.com
US Sales East: Jimmy Moore JMoore6397@aol.com
US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Happy Birthday #1565?

2008-06-05 by mellotronist

Wait, make that 400?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 3:15 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Happy Birthday #1565?

In a message dated 05/06/2008 09:09:09 GMT Standard Time, mellotronist@cox.net writes:
What was the (even approximate) date of the first M400?
Sometime in 1971 but we don't have the test sheet and the early ones don't have dates anyway.
Best,
Martin
Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic

www.mellotronics.com
US Sales East: Jimmy Moore JMoore6397@aol.com
US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Happy Birthday #1565?

2008-06-05 by tronbros@aol.com

In a message dated 05/06/2008 09:23:49 GMT Standard Time, mellotronist@cox.net writes:
So, average production of about 500 units per year for the run?
One day, when I have time to look through the sheets I'll try and give a general pattern to the production. There were high points and low points and non pointy points.
Best,
M
Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic

www.mellotronics.com
US Sales East: Jimmy Moore JMoore6397@aol.com
US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Happy Birthday #1565?

2008-06-05 by jonesalley

#886 stats on your sheets?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 3:25 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Happy Birthday #1565?

In a message dated 05/06/2008 09:23:49 GMT Standard Time, mellotronist@cox.net writes:
So, average production of about 500 units per year for the run?
One day, when I have time to look through the sheets I'll try and give a general pattern to the production. There were high points and low points and non pointy points.
Best,
M
Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic

www.mellotronics.com
US Sales East: Jimmy Moore JMoore6397@aol.com
US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Happy Birthday #1565?

2008-06-05 by tronbros@aol.com

In a message dated 05/06/2008 09:34:34 GMT Standard Time, jonesalley@cox.net writes:
#886 stats on your sheets?
Somewhere Jon but they are out of order and there are lots of them. I just happened upon Mark's. I don't think we could cope with an influx of enquiries for these at the moment but when I go through and sort them out maybe we can start issuing the scans once more. There will be a charge for the time though.
Best,
M
Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic

www.mellotronics.com
US Sales East: Jimmy Moore JMoore6397@aol.com
US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Happy Birthday #1565?

2008-06-05 by jonesalley

Please don't take that as a request to go out of your way, I thought perhaps you had uncovered a lode of information that was handy. I will be interested in whatever info can be found WHEN you get some more pressing and immediate matters reined in!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 3:47 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Happy Birthday #1565?

In a message dated 05/06/2008 09:34:34 GMT Standard Time, jonesalley@cox.net writes:
#886 stats on your sheets?
Somewhere Jon but they are out of order and there are lots of them. I just happened upon Mark's. I don't think we could cope with an influx of enquiries for these at the moment but when I go through and sort them out maybe we can start issuing the scans once more. There will be a charge for the time though.
Best,
M
Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic

www.mellotronics.com
US Sales East: Jimmy Moore JMoore6397@aol.com
US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Happy Birthday #1565?

2008-06-05 by Mark Pring

Many thanks Martin, 15th August 1974 it is. I shall bake a cake to celebrate its 34th birthday then . Must have got a new tape set at some stage as it's now 8 Choir,Flute,MarkII strings, I think. If and when you have the time, why did earlier machines have the updated motor controller?

Mark


--- On Thu, 6/5/08, tronbros@aol.com <tronbros@aol.com> wrote:
From: tronbros@aol.com <tronbros@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Happy Birthday #1565?
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 7:53 PM

Hi Mark,
1565 had it's final test on 15/8/74. It had standard Flute/Violins/Cello tapes, a CMC10, signal to noise of minus 59db(good!) and was checked by John Harthill(who taught John B), set up by B.W. Stewart, packed by Eddie Davies and had the frame built by Paul Teal. The bottom 4 heads have lower output than the rest. It has never been near Sound Sales thankfully and was probably sent directly to where it is now.
Best,
Martin
Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic

www.mellotronics.com
US Sales East: Jimmy Moore JMoore6397@aol.com
US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink.

Re: Happy Birthday #1565?

2008-06-05 by Bernie

#500 is an M400S. It came with a CMC-10 and later changed by Sound Sales (I still have the paperwork from them). It started out as #497, but had an operation and became #500. I thought I bought it new, but later found out from Dallas Arbiter in NJ that it had previously been on tour with someone. I always assumed it was built arount 1973, but who knows?

Bernie


--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Mark Pring <markpringnz@...> wrote:
>
> I am trying to work out when #1565 was built. On the old Steetly site it says 2000 M400 mellotrons were built from 1970-77. Models built after 73/4 were 400 SM and had the SMS2 motor control system.
>
> #1565 is a 400S and has a CM10.
>
> Was there ever a plain 400?
> Where does the S fit in?
>
> I would have thought that #1565 was towards the end of production run. Did they produce a lot fewer of the 400SM, say 3-400 and would that then make #1565 one of the last mellotrons with a CM 10 and a likely manufacture date of 1973?
>
> Anybody know?
>
> Mark
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Happy Birthday #1565?

2008-06-05 by lsf5275@aol.com

In a message dated 6/5/2008 2:29:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, markpringnz@yahoo.com writes:
But is #1565 a sound sales machine?

Mark
Mark,
It is not a Sound Sales machine. Yours came directly from England to the buyer. Mine went from England to Sound Sales in Connecticut where is was upgraded with a PML-1 and a SMS-3, which is almost exactly like an SMS-2, but supposedly, "improved," although I can't see how, since the schematics are nearly exactly the same. 1562 also had a balanced (XLR) output as well as a standard 1/4 inch line out.
I have worked on a ton of these machines, and I have never seen one that went through Sound Sales that was exactly like any other one. It was like they just decided to try different things to see what worked... or what they could do to screw up a Mellotron.
When Mellotrons started being shipped from the factory with SMS cards as standard, the designation changed from M400S to 400SM. I don't think the serial number has any real bearing on that. It probably more like this...
"...here's a bunch of Mellotrons we're going to ship to America. we'll assign them these (perhaps random) serial numbers and Sound Sales can do whatever they want with them."
Yours and mine both started on the assembly line together and most probably on the same day. At some point they stopped working on mine, crated it and sent it to Sound Sales to be trimmed out. I think it is strange that you had a CMC-10 in yours, but I have a theory on that, too.
I think that the factory was moving a lot more machines than Sound Sales was. I know a lot of people that could have bought one from Sound Sales that didn't. They were a lot cheaper if you bought them directly from the factory and had them shipped over. As I recall, the guy who first owned my machine bought it in late 1975. It was a 400SM from day one.
Speculation, that's all.
Regards,
Frank
PS. I currently have 386, 911 and 1017 (I think) in my shop. Last night I cleaned and polished approximately 414 screws, bolts, nuts and washers... just for 911's keyboard. Tonight a will clean and polish all of the keyboard frame rails, cross members stand-offs, etc. Tomorrow, all of the pinch rollers will be reconditioned and the key springs will be polished and given new felt isolators . I have already cleaned and polished all of the keys. New felt has been installed all around on the pressure pads. So Saturday I can put it all in the jig and but Sunday evening I will have a completely refurbished keyboard for 911. I have to have two machines completely ready to go for a big show on June 22nd. As you may well know, 386, the black one, is done. That one was a complete Sound Sales crapfest. Not any more.



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Re: [newmellotrongroup] Happy Birthday #1565?

2008-06-06 by Mark Pring

Thanks very much Frank, between you and Martin I think all the questions that I have regarding #1565 that can be answered, have been.

Mark





--- On Fri, 6/6/08, lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:
From: lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Happy Birthday #1565?
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, June 6, 2008, 11:52 AM

In a message dated 6/5/2008 2:29:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, markpringnz@ yahoo.com writes:
But is #1565 a sound sales machine?

Mark
Mark,
It is not a Sound Sales machine. Yours came directly from England to the buyer. Mine went from England to Sound Sales in Connecticut where is was upgraded with a PML-1 and a SMS-3, which is almost exactly like an SMS-2, but supposedly, "improved," although I can't see how, since the schematics are nearly exactly the same. 1562 also had a balanced (XLR) output as well as a standard 1/4 inch line out.
I have worked on a ton of these machines, and I have never seen one that went through Sound Sales that was exactly like any other one. It was like they just decided to try different things to see what worked... or what they could do to screw up a Mellotron.
When Mellotrons started being shipped from the factory with SMS cards as standard, the designation changed from M400S to 400SM. I don't think the serial number has any real bearing on that. It probably more like this...
"...here's a bunch of Mellotrons we're going to ship to America. we'll assign them these (perhaps random) serial numbers and Sound Sales can do whatever they want with them."
Yours and mine both started on the assembly line together and most probably on the same day. At some point they stopped working on mine, crated it and sent it to Sound Sales to be trimmed out. I think it is strange that you had a CMC-10 in yours, but I have a theory on that, too.
I think that the factory was moving a lot more machines than Sound Sales was. I know a lot of people that could have bought one from Sound Sales that didn't. They were a lot cheaper if you bought them directly from the factory and had them shipped over. As I recall, the guy who first owned my machine bought it in late 1975. It was a 400SM from day one.
Speculation, that's all.
Regards,
Frank
PS. I currently have 386, 911 and 1017 (I think) in my shop. Last night I cleaned and polished approximately 414 screws, bolts, nuts and washers... just for 911's keyboard. Tonight a will clean and polish all of the keyboard frame rails, cross members stand-offs, etc. Tomorrow, all of the pinch rollers will be reconditioned and the key springs will be polished and given new felt isolators . I have already cleaned and polished all of the keys. New felt has been installed all around on the pressure pads. So Saturday I can put it all in the jig and but Sunday evening I will have a completely refurbished keyboard for 911. I have to have two machines completely ready to go for a big show on June 22nd. As you may well know, 386, the black one, is done. That one was a complete Sound Sales crapfest. Not any more.



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RE: [newmellotrongroup] Happy Birthday #1565?

2008-06-06 by Mark Wallis

Wow, I thought all the records had disappeared.
'Tis indeed nice to know that some info survives. Is there anything out there relating to my lovely machine, M400 no 151?

Love and Scones,

msw
________________________________
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> From: markpringnz@yahoo.com
> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 17:41:59 -0700
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Happy Birthday #1565?
>
>
> Thanks very much Frank, between you and Martin I think all the questions that I have regarding #1565 that can be answered, have been.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 6/6/08, lsf5275@aol.com
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