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10 Worst Keyboards

10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-29 by MAinPsych@aol.com

Today there was a link on AOL titled, "The Ten Worst Keyboards of All Time".  To my disappointment, it was about PC keyboards; however, it got me to thinking that we've talked about cool keyboards (our kind, of course), but I don't remember any exchanges about the worst.  Sure to be some controversy.  Any takers?
 
1. The Birotron (cool in concept; dismal in execution)
2. Any pre-M1 Chamberlin (Excedrin cycling headache # infinity)
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
 
Frank Samagaio
San Deigo CA
owner, Mellotron MkII #134 (Pindertron) / M400 #908
author, The Mellotron Book



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Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-29 by mellotronist

Fender Rhodes.  I have never hated an instrument with keys as much as I hate those things.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:35 PM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

Today there was a link on AOL titled, "The Ten Worst Keyboards of All Time".  To my disappointment, it was about PC keyboards; however, it got me to thinking that we've talked about cool keyboards (our kind, of course), but I don't remember any exchanges about the worst.  Sure to be some controversy.  Any takers?
 
1. The Birotron (cool in concept; dismal in execution)
2. Any pre-M1 Chamberlin (Excedrin cycling headache # infinity)
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
 
Frank Samagaio
San Deigo CA
owner, Mellotron MkII #134 (Pindertron) / M400 #908
author, The Mellotron Book



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Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-29 by mellotronist

In format:
 
 
1. The Birotron (cool in concept; dismal in execution)
2. Any pre-M1 Chamberlin (Excedrin cycling headache # infinity)
3. Fender Rhodes
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
 

Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-29 by jeffc@netaxs.com

On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, mellotronist wrote:

> Fender Rhodes. I have never hated an instrument with keys as much as I hate those things.


i'd have to disagree, IMHO, of course.
with all the lame crap instruments out there, that would
not make my worst 10.
i find playing a rhodes a quite organic experience.
plug it into a phaser and i think they sound even better.

i vote for the korg M-1.
the very definition of "dross".
did anyone EVER actually program one, or did EVERYONE just
use the presets... i bet out of the thousands sold, only
a handful ever had their presets altered...

...jeff


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: MAinPsych@aol.com
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:35 PM
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards
>
>
> Today there was a link on AOL titled, "The Ten Worst Keyboards of All Time". To my disappointment, it was about PC keyboards; however, it got me to thinking that we've talked about cool keyboards (our kind, of course), but I don't remember any exchanges about the worst. Sure to be some controversy. Any takers?
>
> 1. The Birotron (cool in concept; dismal in execution)
> 2. Any pre-M1 Chamberlin (Excedrin cycling headache # infinity)
> 3.
> 4.
> 5.
> 6.
> 7.
> 8.
> 9.
> 10.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-29 by mellotronist

That's the case with almost any synth. Sadly. And I still despise Rhodes
pianos.




i bet out of the thousands sold, only
> a handful ever had their presets altered...

Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-29 by kinchmusic@aol.com

For me it's the Vako Orchestron. I bought it as a "replacement" for a tron I sold way back when. Lo fi...Huge disappointment!
Andy K
 
 
1. The Birotron (cool in concept; dismal in execution)
2. Any pre-M1 Chamberlin (Excedrin cycling headache # infinity)
3. Fender Rhodes
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
 

Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-29 by Hessel Herder

Let's not forget the feel and sound of Vox Jaguar,the budget version of the Vox Continental
 
Cheers, H
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

For me it's the Vako Orchestron. I bought it as a "replacement" for a tron I sold way back when. Lo fi...Huge disappointment!
Andy K
 
 
1. The Birotron (cool in concept; dismal in execution)
2. Any pre-M1 Chamberlin (Excedrin cycling headache # infinity)
3. Fender Rhodes
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
 

Re: 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-29 by Bernie

For a short while, I had a Vox Continental with wooden keys. You had
to be a superman to press the keys down. Same with the first Rhodes
I ever tried.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "Hessel Herder"
<hessel@...> wrote:
>
> Let's not forget the feel and sound of Vox Jaguar,the budget
version of the Vox Continental
>
> Cheers, H
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: kinchmusic@...
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 8:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards
>
>
>
> For me it's the Vako Orchestron. I bought it as a "replacement"
for a tron I sold way back when. Lo fi...Huge disappointment!
> Andy K
>
>
> 1. The Birotron (cool in concept; dismal in execution)
> 2. Any pre-M1 Chamberlin (Excedrin cycling headache # infinity)
> 3. Fender Rhodes
> 4.
> 5.
> 6.
> 7.
> 8.
> 9.
> 10.
>

Re: 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-29 by tomdcour

---My rhodes routinely broke my fingernails off- a real horror, like trying to push the
buttons on an old cigarette vending machine. Happily, I traded it for a poor unloved
mellotron up in Connecticut. I really hate the DX7, the ugliest thing ever with a pathetic
one dimensional tinkley sound. I can never listen to a panpipe again because of that thing.


In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, candor@... wrote:
>
> >> For a short while, I had a Vox Continental with wooden keys. You had
> >> to be a superman to press the keys down.
>
>
> what ?
> i have a Vox Continental with wooden keys. It's a dream to play.
> Much better than other Vox or Farfisa organs with plastic keys.
>
>
> David
> ...........................................
> http://www.mellotron.fr
> http://www.fairlightcmi.fr
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-29 by lsf5275@aol.com

In a message dated 11/29/2007 12:36:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, MAinPsych@aol.com writes:
Today there was a link on AOL titled, "The Ten Worst Keyboards of All Time".  To my disappointment, it was about PC keyboards; however, it got me to thinking that we've talked about cool keyboards (our kind, of course), but I don't remember any exchanges about the worst.  Sure to be some controversy.  Any takers?
 
1. The Birotron (cool in concept; dismal in execution)
2. Any pre-M1 Chamberlin (Excedrin cycling headache # infinity)
3. Yamaha DX-7. (I hated trying to program it.)
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
 
Frank Samagaio
San Deigo CA
owner, Mellotron MkII #134 (Pindertron) / M400 #908
author, The Mellotron Book

 



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Re: 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-29 by Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, candor@... wrote:
>
> >> For a short while, I had a Vox Continental with wooden keys.
You had
> >> to be a superman to press the keys down.
>
>
> what ?
> i have a Vox Continental with wooden keys. It's a dream to play.
> Much better than other Vox or Farfisa organs with plastic keys.
>
>
> David
> ...........................................
> http://www.mellotron.fr
> http://www.fairlightcmi.fr
>

It's the only wooden key Continental I've ever seen. For some reason
the key action was very stiff. Maybe they're adjustable?

I certainly wouldn't want to include it in the 10 worst keyboards.
The Continental is still my favorite sounding combo organ,
especially in the hands of someone like Alan Price.

Bernie

Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-29 by fdoddy@aol.com

I agree on the M1...total crap.  I believe the Law and Order "guh-guh" is an M1 preset


-----Original Message-----
From: jeffc@netaxs.com
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 2:01 am
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, mellotronist wrote:

> Fender Rhodes. I have never hated an instrument with keys as much as I hate those things.

i'd have to disagree, IMHO, of course.
with all the lame crap instruments out there, that would
not make my worst 10.
i find playing a rhodes a quite organic experience.
plug it into a phaser and i think they sound even better.

i vote for the korg M-1.
the very definition of "dross".
did anyone EVER actually program one, or did EVERYONE just
use the presets... i bet out of the thousands sold, only
a handful ever had their presets altered...

...jeff

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: MAinPsych@aol. com
> To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:35 PM
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards
>
>
> Today there was a link on AOL titled, "The Ten Worst Keyboards of All Time". To my disappointment, it was about PC keyboards; however, it got me to thinking that we've talked about cool keyboards (our kind, of course), but I don't remember any exchanges about the worst. Sure to be some controversy. Any takers?
>
> 1. The Birotron (cool in concept; dismal in execution)
> 2. Any pre-M1 Chamberlin (Excedrin cycling headache # infinity)
> 3.
> 4.
> 5.
> 6.
> 7.
> 8.
> 9.
> 10.
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-29 by fdoddy@aol.com

That's where you and part ways Andy.  I just love the Orchestron/Optigan library.  It's so cute....


-----Original Message-----
From: kinchmusic@aol.com
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 2:57 am
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

For me it's the Vako Orchestron. I bought it as a "replacement" for a tron I sold way back when. Lo fi...Huge disappointment!
Andy K
 
 
1. The Birotron (cool in concept; dismal in execution)
2. Any pre-M1 Chamberlin (Excedrin cycling headache # infinity)
3. Fender Rhodes
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
 
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-29 by MAinPsych@aol.com

The list so far (in no particular order, and certainly not limited to just 10):
 
 1. The Birotron (cool in concept; dismal in execution)
 2. Any pre-M1 Chamberlin (Excedrin cycling headache # infinity)
 3. Yamaha DX-7 (I hated trying to program it)
 4. Korg M-1 (the very definition of "dross")
 5. EMI 400 (as built)
 6. Figgis Organichord
 7. Vako Orchestron (from "disappointment" to "cute")
 8. Vox Jaguar
 9. Vox Continental (VERY mixed feelings about this one)
10. Mellotron Digital Symphony (the musical equivalent of "Gigli" and "Glitter")
11. Fender Rhodes
12. Chamberlin M-1 (based on feel, not sound)
 



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Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-29 by Tony

I disagree too, I had a 73 note stage piano with a sustainer (some MXR device for guitars) with my tunings, the sucker would sustain clean ethereal sounds for a long as you held the custom made pedal 2' wide and monolith stand with 2 ARP Odysseys  on top a long with the trusty M400 and ARP 2600 w/digital sequencer (Dave Smith's first unit sold serial #2).
 
IMHO the Yamaha DX7 is an unnecessarily "obtuse" instrument that I have ever played. I don't have the energy to "hate" anything ,but I sure don't care about the DX7 and I was a factory authorized tech for them among
 many many others.
Tony
#510
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 2:01 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, mellotronist wrote:

> Fender Rhodes. I have never hated an instrument with keys as much as I hate those things.

i'd have to disagree, IMHO, of course.
with all the lame crap instruments out there, that would
not make my worst 10.
i find playing a rhodes a quite organic experience.
plug it into a phaser and i think they sound even better.

i vote for the korg M-1.
the very definition of "dross".
did anyone EVER actually program one, or did EVERYONE just
use the presets... i bet out of the thousands sold, only
a handful ever had their presets altered...

...jeff

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: MAinPsych@aol. com
> To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:35 PM
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards
>
>
> Today there was a link on AOL titled, "The Ten Worst Keyboards of All Time". To my disappointment, it was about PC keyboards; however, it got me to thinking that we've talked about cool keyboards (our kind, of course), but I don't remember any exchanges about the worst. Sure to be some controversy. Any takers?
>
> 1. The Birotron (cool in concept; dismal in execution)
> 2. Any pre-M1 Chamberlin (Excedrin cycling headache # infinity)
> 3.
> 4.
> 5.
> 6.
> 7.
> 8.
> 9.
> 10.

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Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-29 by Tony

I dissage with the bash of the Elka too.
Mine was modified to do "bends" up and down.
I think you guys played these noted insturments "dry", and that's the only rub I would have with the instruments previously mentioned.
My stuff is dripping with digital delays and reverbs.
Buy some Roland Space Echos!
 
Tony
#510

Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-29 by gino wong

DX7 . A great voice engine housed in a hosing. With a good
programmer one of the best synths of all time , without one, toy
xylophone pianos. Probably the greatest waste of a good idea outside
of the US military.

gw

On 11/29/07, Tony <atm655@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I dissage with the bash of the Elka too.
> Mine was modified to do "bends" up and down.
> I think you guys played these noted insturments "dry", and that's the only
> rub I would have with the instruments previously mentioned.
> My stuff is dripping with digital delays and reverbs.
> Buy some Roland Space Echos!
>
> Tony
> #510
>
>

Re: 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-29 by ceccles_ca

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "gino wong" <wonggster@...>
wrote:
>
> DX7 . A great voice engine housed in a hosing. With a good
> programmer one of the best synths of all time , without one, toy
> xylophone pianos.

This FM synth needed noise reduction too. The way to go these days is
to use DX7 samples. Let somebody else do the programming and noise
reduction. I have a DX11 sample library that I use regularly and I
never use it for that bell-piano sound.

The Yamaha would land on my best KB list (for unique voices) and my
worst KB list (for crappy interface).

Clay

Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-29 by kinchmusic@aol.com

In a message dated 29/11/2007 15:11:12 GMT Standard Time, fdoddy@aol.com writes:
That's where you and part ways Andy.  I just love the Orchestron/Optigan library.  It's so cute....

Frank i'm getting really worried about your mental state.......
I think you need a sanity clause....... but wait, my parents told me there is no Sanity Claus....ho. ho, ho.
Andy K.
God bless The Marx Brothers!

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-29 by kinchmusic@aol.com

In defence of the Fender Rhodes. You can forgive the odd mechanical "wobly" on any keyboard providing the final results are worthwhile. Mellotrons being the best examples of this theory.
Stick the Rhodes through a chorus pedal and the results were always magic. However, I now use Native Instruments Electrik Piano 1.5 and it really delivers the goods. Also has a great Wurlizer piano for those Supertramp or Hall and Oats moments!
Andy K

Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-29 by kinchmusic@aol.com

In a message dated 29/11/2007 15:11:12 GMT Standard Time, fdoddy@aol.com writes:
That's where you and part ways Andy.  I just love the Orchestron/Optigan library.  It's so cute....
Sorry Fritz, I'm getting my Franks and my Fritzes mixed up.
It's me that needs the Sanity Claus!
Andy K

Re: 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-29 by Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, kinchmusic@... wrote:
>
> In defence of the Fender Rhodes. You can forgive the odd mechanical
"wobly"
> on any keyboard providing the final results are worthwhile. Mellotrons
being
> the best examples of this theory.
> Stick the Rhodes through a chorus pedal and the results were always
magic.
> However, I now use Native Instruments Electrik Piano 1.5 and it really
> delivers the goods. Also has a great Wurlizer piano for those
Supertramp or Hall and
> Oats moments!
> Andy K
>


+1 for the NI EP. Also for free/donationware emulations: MrRay, MrRay
SeventyThree and MrTramp.

Bernie

Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-29 by gino wong

I need a new cardboard belt.

On Nov 29, 2007 12:43 PM, <kinchmusic@aol.com> wrote:

In a message dated 29/11/2007 15:11:12 GMT Standard Time, fdoddy@aol.com writes:
That's where you and part ways Andy.  I just love the Orchestron/Optigan library.  It's so cute....

Frank i'm getting really worried about your mental state.......
I think you need a sanity clause....... but wait, my parents told me there is no Sanity Claus....ho. ho, ho.
Andy K.
God bless The Marx Brothers!

Re: 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-29 by john barrick

I was gonna say my Continental had wooden keys and I don't remember it
requiring much effort to play, but then I was younger and stronger
back then...
johnb

PS - bought it for $75 in 1983

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, candor@... wrote:
>
> >> For a short while, I had a Vox Continental with wooden keys. You had
> >> to be a superman to press the keys down.
>
>
> what ?
> i have a Vox Continental with wooden keys. It's a dream to play.
> Much better than other Vox or Farfisa organs with plastic keys.
>
>
> David
> ...........................................
> http://www.mellotron.fr
> http://www.fairlightcmi.fr
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-29 by lsf5275@aol.com

In a message dated 11/29/2007 1:01:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kinchmusic@aol.com writes:
Frank i'm getting really worried about your mental state.......
I think you need a sanity clause...... . but wait, my parents told me there is no Sanity Claus....ho. ho, ho.
Andy K.
God bless The Marx Brothers!
I think you are referring to Fritz, Andy.
 
Frank



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Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-29 by kinchmusic@aol.com

In a message dated 29/11/2007 20:52:12 GMT Standard Time, lsf5275@aol.com writes:
In a message dated 11/29/2007 1:01:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kinchmusic@aol. com writes:
Frank i'm getting really worried about your mental state.......
I think you need a sanity clause...... . but wait, my parents told me there is no Sanity Claus....ho. ho, ho.
Andy K.
God bless The Marx Brothers!
I think you are referring to Fritz, Andy.
 
Yeah, I was I guess, Frank. So how's your mental state?
Andy
 

Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-29 by lsf5275@aol.com

In a message dated 11/29/2007 3:55:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kinchmusic@aol.com writes:
Yeah, I was I guess, Frank. So how's your mental state?
Andy
 
Things are much better these days. Thanks for asking.
 
The flashbacks seem to pop up now and again. Nothing unenjoyable, though.
 
What was that?



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Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-29 by Mike Dickson

I would concur re the M1. I had one for about three months and found it
the most utterly impossible thing to program. The only good thing I have
to say about it is that I managed to sell it at a profit.

Mike

jeffc@netaxs.com wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, mellotronist wrote:
>
> > Fender Rhodes. I have never hated an instrument with keys as much as
> I hate those things.
>
> i'd have to disagree, IMHO, of course.
> with all the lame crap instruments out there, that would
> not make my worst 10.
> i find playing a rhodes a quite organic experience.
> plug it into a phaser and i think they sound even better.
>
> i vote for the korg M-1.
> the very definition of "dross".
> did anyone EVER actually program one, or did EVERYONE just
> use the presets... i bet out of the thousands sold, only
> a handful ever had their presets altered...
>
> ...jeff
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: MAinPsych@aol.com <mailto:MAinPsych%40aol.com>
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:35 PM
> > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards
> >
> >
> > Today there was a link on AOL titled, "The Ten Worst Keyboards of
> All Time". To my disappointment, it was about PC keyboards; however,
> it got me to thinking that we've talked about cool keyboards (our
> kind, of course), but I don't remember any exchanges about the worst.
> Sure to be some controversy. Any takers?
> >
> > 1. The Birotron (cool in concept; dismal in execution)
> > 2. Any pre-M1 Chamberlin (Excedrin cycling headache # infinity)
> > 3.
> > 4.
> > 5.
> > 6.
> > 7.
> > 8.
> > 9.
> > 10.
>
>

--
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-29 by Mike Dickson

That's interesting. Moraz was so (allegedly) over the moon about it that
he was prepared to stick his name up in the advertising for the
instrument, etc etc. The problem with the Orchestron was that it sounded
*rubbish*. What were they thinking? And more to the point, what were the
musicians thinking when they eventually heard it?

Mike

kinchmusic@aol.com wrote:
>
> For me it's the Vako Orchestron. I bought it as a "replacement" for a
> tron I sold way back when. Lo fi...Huge disappointment!
> Andy K
>
>
>
> *1. The Birotron (cool in concept; dismal in execution)*
> *2. Any pre-M1 Chamberlin (Excedrin cycling headache # infinity)*
> *3. Fender Rhodes*
> *4.*
> *5.*
> *6.*
> *7.*
> *8.*
> *9.*
> *10.*
>
>
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-29 by Tony

I personally played Patrick's triple Orchestron at the Vako facility in St. Pete many years ago and the problem was obvious to everyone involved.
Much like the Mellotron it could be worked around by simply lifting the key as in a tape rewind and press down on it again without much trauma, but unfortunately that was not enough to save the instrument.
Talking with Patrick about this very problem, he was very frustrated with it and had sunk a lot of money into it.
Still it was an interesting experience all around between Patrick and Dave.
 
Tony
#510
 
PS welcome back Mike!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

That's interesting. Moraz was so (allegedly) over the moon about it that
he was prepared to stick his name up in the advertising for the
instrument, etc etc. The problem with the Orchestron was that it sounded
*rubbish*. What were they thinking? And more to the point, what were the
musicians thinking when they eventually heard it?

Mike

kinchmusic@aol. com wrote:
>
> For me it's the Vako Orchestron. I bought it as a "replacement" for a
> tron I sold way back when. Lo fi...Huge disappointment!
> Andy K
>
>
>
> *1. The Birotron (cool in concept; dismal in execution)*
> *2. Any pre-M1 Chamberlin (Excedrin cycling headache # infinity)*
> *3. Fender Rhodes*
> *4.*
> *5.*
> *6.*
> *7.*
> *8.*
> *9.*
> *10.*
>
>
>

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Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-30 by john barrick

I thought he was Doddo.

johnb

lsf5275@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/29/2007 4:11:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> mellotronist@cox.net writes:
>
> Fritz is a Marx Brother?
>
> Yes, Andy
>
> There was Groucho, Harpo, Chico, Zeppo and Fritzo.
>
> frank II
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-30 by john barrick

Oy!
jb

lsf5275@aol.com wrote:
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> In a message dated 11/29/2007 8:36:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> astroboy@cinci.rr.com writes:
>
> I thought he was Doddo.
>
>
> That's a good one! But I think you're getting him confused with Howdy
> Doddy.
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-30 by jeffc@netaxs.com

On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 lsf5275@aol.com wrote:

>
> In a message dated 11/29/2007 4:11:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> mellotronist@cox.net writes:
>
> Fritz is a Marx Brother?
>
>
>
> Yes, Andy
>
> There was Groucho, Harpo, Chico, Zeppo and Fritzo.
>
> frank II


you forgot gummo.
[yes - there really was a gummo marx in that family]

...jefff

Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-30 by john barrick

Yes, there was. He's the one that got them out of the gay escort
business and into comedy. Chico was confused about the whole thing and
Groucho turned the experience into the "Hooray for Capt. Spaulding" routine.

leonard Maltin



jeffc@netaxs.com wrote:
>
>
> you forgot gummo.
> [yes - there really was a gummo marx in that family]
>
> ...jefff
>
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-30 by jeffc@netaxs.com

On Thu, 29 Nov 2007, john barrick wrote:

> Yes, there was. He's the one that got them out of the gay escort
> business and into comedy. Chico was confused about the whole thing and
> Groucho turned the experience into the "Hooray for Capt. Spaulding" routine.
>
> leonard Maltin



welcome aboard leonard.
you will be taking the celebrity spot in
lieu of the previously exiting mr gallo.

let's hope you either have a thicker skin,
or know when/how to keep your mouth shut.

...jeff

Re: 10 Worst Keyboards - orchestron

2007-11-30 by David Davis

In fairness to the Orchestron -
Kraftwerk used it to splendid effect on their "Radio-Activity"
(puntastic!) and "TransEurope Express" albums -
these days they use crap bland digital string and choir sounds which
are just rubbish compared to the rickety grainy sound of the
Orchestron - in particular, TEE's high string melody is so beautifully
austere, whilst the end of "Radioactivity" (the song) sounds like a
choir of million-year-old-radioactive-monsters groaning and croaking.

DAVID

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "Tony" <atm655@...> wrote:
>
> I personally played Patrick's triple Orchestron at the Vako facility
in St. Pete many years ago and the problem was obvious to everyone
involved.
> Much like the Mellotron it could be worked around by simply lifting
the key as in a tape rewind and press down on it again without much
trauma, but unfortunately that was not enough to save the instrument.
> Talking with Patrick about this very problem, he was very frustrated
with it and had sunk a lot of money into it.
> Still it was an interesting experience all around between Patrick
and Dave.
>
> Tony
> #510
>
> PS welcome back Mike!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Dickson
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 4:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards
>
>
> That's interesting. Moraz was so (allegedly) over the moon about
it that
> he was prepared to stick his name up in the advertising for the
> instrument, etc etc. The problem with the Orchestron was that it
sounded
> *rubbish*. What were they thinking? And more to the point, what
were the
> musicians thinking when they eventually heard it?
>
> Mike
>
> kinchmusic@... wrote:
> >
> > For me it's the Vako Orchestron. I bought it as a "replacement"
for a
> > tron I sold way back when. Lo fi...Huge disappointment!
> > Andy K
> >
> >
> >
> > *1. The Birotron (cool in concept; dismal in execution)*
> > *2. Any pre-M1 Chamberlin (Excedrin cycling headache # infinity)*
> > *3. Fender Rhodes*
> > *4.*
> > *5.*
> > *6.*
> > *7.*
> > *8.*
> > *9.*
> > *10.*
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-30 by tony

Welcome back Mike!
 
Tony Moffett
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Going there this coming April.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

I would concur re the M1. I had one for about three months and found it
the most utterly impossible thing to program. The only good thing I have
to say about it is that I managed to sell it at a profit.

Mike

jeffc@netaxs. com wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, mellotronist wrote:
>
> > Fender Rhodes. I have never hated an instrument with keys as much as
> I hate those things.
>
> i'd have to disagree, IMHO, of course.
> with all the lame crap instruments out there, that would
> not make my worst 10.
> i find playing a rhodes a quite organic experience.
> plug it into a phaser and i think they sound even better.
>
> i vote for the korg M-1.
> the very definition of "dross".
> did anyone EVER actually program one, or did EVERYONE just
> use the presets... i bet out of the thousands sold, only
> a handful ever had their presets altered...
>
> ...jeff
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: MAinPsych@aol. com <mailto:MAinPsych% 40aol.com>
> > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> <mailto:newmellotro ngroup%40yahoogr oups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:35 PM
> > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards
> >
> >
> > Today there was a link on AOL titled, "The Ten Worst Keyboards of
> All Time". To my disappointment, it was about PC keyboards; however,
> it got me to thinking that we've talked about cool keyboards (our
> kind, of course), but I don't remember any exchanges about the worst.
> Sure to be some controversy. Any takers?
> >
> > 1. The Birotron (cool in concept; dismal in execution)
> > 2. Any pre-M1 Chamberlin (Excedrin cycling headache # infinity)
> > 3.
> > 4.
> > 5.
> > 6.
> > 7.
> > 8.
> > 9.
> > 10.
>
>

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Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-30 by tony

One of the times Patrick and I discussed the triple which I played, he was not happy about the instrument he had poured a lot of money into.
The last time I saw the instrument, it had been broken down to where the face plate was the only recognizable component.
Very nice guy he is.
Works out of Full Sail studios in Orlando about 75 miles from me.
 
Best,
 
Tony
#510
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

That's interesting. Moraz was so (allegedly) over the moon about it that
he was prepared to stick his name up in the advertising for the
instrument, etc etc. The problem with the Orchestron was that it sounded
*rubbish*. What were they thinking? And more to the point, what were the
musicians thinking when they eventually heard it?

Mike

kinchmusic@aol. com wrote:
>
> For me it's the Vako Orchestron. I bought it as a "replacement" for a
> tron I sold way back when. Lo fi...Huge disappointment!
> Andy K
>
>
>
> *1. The Birotron (cool in concept; dismal in execution)*
> *2. Any pre-M1 Chamberlin (Excedrin cycling headache # infinity)*
> *3. Fender Rhodes*
> *4.*
> *5.*
> *6.*
> *7.*
> *8.*
> *9.*
> *10.*
>
>
>

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Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-30 by Jack Younger

OK, these are some obvious choices, but I feel like
nobody got to 'em:
Agreement on the DX7
EMI400, as built (I've battled mine enough to know
what's up)
Roland D-50
Any Yamaha PSR series
Korg MicroKorg and M1 ( could go on about the Triton
and Prophecy etc. but that'll take awhile)
Ensoniq in general but particularly the Fizmo
A whole lot of Casio (although some can be a pretty
good time)
Studio Electronics Moog clones (filter sweeps moving
in steps?!? Yeesh.)
Optigan key section, the accompaniment rules and
always will
RMI Electric Piano
Electric home organs in general (with a few
exceptions)
That's what I got for now.
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-30 by jeffc@netaxs.com

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007, Jack Younger wrote:

>
> OK, these are some obvious choices, but I feel like
> nobody got to 'em:
> Agreement on the DX7


pretty much agreed on, but i don't think the key to
this monster's teeth have been specified, thought it
was touched on by gino: if i recall [and i could be
quite wrong], this was the first synth to have the
"one slider [or knob or whatever] to control all of
the dozens/hundreds of parameters" syndrome. it's
the first one i recall coming across this design
aberation on... unfortunately, it's been around
ever since... not that this was the only problem
with the dx-7, but it's the one that haunted us
all for so long...


> EMI400, as built (I've battled mine enough to know what's up)


damn shame about these.
they are no doubt responsible for much of the
misguided dislike of the mellotron.


> Roland D-50
> Any Yamaha PSR series


these are kind of toys, so do they really count?


> Korg MicroKorg and M1 ( could go on about the Triton
> and Prophecy etc. but that'll take awhile)
> Ensoniq in general but particularly the Fizmo


alright, i have to step in here and come to the
defense of SO many of my friends here. ensoniq
was based about 12 miles from here, and i know
at least 20 people that have worked there over
the years - every one of them a really great
person - maybe i just never met the demons
that designed some of the gear. and it's my
understanding that the fizmo really suffers
from a single fatal design flaw - an underspec-ed
voltage regulator that was the downfall of
most of these units. maybe they sounded bad
too, but i'm not sure i ever heard one up close.
from what i recall, it was like a korg wavestation?


> A whole lot of Casio (although some can be a pretty
> good time)
> Studio Electronics Moog clones (filter sweeps moving
> in steps?!? Yeesh.)
> Optigan key section, the accompaniment rules and
> always will
> RMI Electric Piano
> Electric home organs in general (with a few
> exceptions)
> That's what I got for now.
> -Jack


...jeff

Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-30 by Norman Fay

There are a few instruments that predate the DX-7 that have the one
knob/parameter list method of programming. I believe the first was
the Moog Source, My Rhodes Chroma has this method and I think the Korg
Poly-61 predated the DX-7, and that certainly had (coughs) "parameter
access control".

It was excusable in the case of the DX-7 at least, due to the huge
number of controls - a couple of hundred altogether? I don't think I
ever counted. I really dug mine, I must admit. I got some good
sounds out of it, though I always used an editor on the Atari. I
don't have the DX-7 anymore, but I replaced it with an SY77, which has
a fairly capable FM synthesis section, coupled together with some
pretty crappy samples. I almost never use the samples, but the
instrument still sees a fair bit of use.

For bad keyboard instruments, the main thing that comes to mind was
that period after Yamaha floored everyone with the DX7, and every
other manufacturer seemed to produce a load of crappy keyboards. The
Alpha Juno1 from Roland was a piece I owned for a while that was
particularly uninspiring from then, and there were lots of others that
were similarly bleh. Who remembers the Korg DS-8 and 707, for
example?.

On Nov 30, 2007 4:49 PM, <jeffc@netaxs.com> wrote:

> pretty much agreed on, but i don't think the key to
> this monster's teeth have been specified, thought it
> was touched on by gino: if i recall [and i could be
> quite wrong], this was the first synth to have the
> "one slider [or knob or whatever] to control all of
> the dozens/hundreds of parameters" syndrome. it's
> the first one i recall coming across this design
> aberation on... unfortunately, it's been around
> ever since... not that this was the only problem
> with the dx-7, but it's the one that haunted us
> all for so long...
>
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-30 by MAinPsych@aol.com

In a message dated 11/30/2007 11:49:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, jeffc@netaxs.com writes:
alright, i have to step in here and come to the
defense of SO many of my friends here. ensoniq
was based about 12 miles from here,
 
Dunno about the Fizmo, but in defense of the Ensoniq Mirage, I use it as an adjunct keyboard, and have a track in the works that mixes the Mellotron "Watcher" mix and the Mirage disk's 3-violins sound to create a very powerful hybrid sound.  I've also used my trusty Roland Juno-60 (with custom patches) the same way.
 
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-30 by gino wong

I love the Fizmo,  probably because it is different. It does need a PSU mod before it is roadable.

The Poly 61 was crap, very weak sound engine and cheaply made.

The Polysix had that dreadful leaking battery placement. The Mono Poly was brilliant.

I think the D50 with a programmer is better than any of it's contemporaries, you can't always guess what it is. 

Anything by EMS with anything that looks like keys.  The opposite for the other half of the box. 

Which Micro Korg are you talking about ? pre or post 2k ?

gino


On Nov 30, 2007 12:26 PM, <MAinPsych@aol.com
> wrote:

In a message dated 11/30/2007 11:49:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, jeffc@netaxs.com writes:
alright, i have to step in here and come to the
defense of SO many of my friends here. ensoniq
was based about 12 miles from here,
 
Dunno about the Fizmo, but in defense of the Ensoniq Mirage, I use it as an adjunct keyboard, and have a track in the works that mixes the Mellotron "Watcher" mix and the Mirage disk's 3-violins sound to create a very powerful hybrid sound.  I've also used my trusty Roland Juno-60 (with custom patches) the same way.
 
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-30 by Tony

My apologizes for accidentally posting a private message to the group.
Opps wrong button!
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: tony
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

Welcome back Mike!
 
Tony Moffett
U.S.A.
Ancestral home is Moffat Scotland :-)
Going there this coming April.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

I would concur re the M1. I had one for about three months and found it
the most utterly impossible thing to program. The only good thing I have
to say about it is that I managed to sell it at a profit.

Mike

jeffc@netaxs. com wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, mellotronist wrote:
>
> > Fender Rhodes. I have never hated an instrument with keys as much as
> I hate those things.
>
> i'd have to disagree, IMHO, of course.
> with all the lame crap instruments out there, that would
> not make my worst 10.
> i find playing a rhodes a quite organic experience.
> plug it into a phaser and i think they sound even better.
>
> i vote for the korg M-1.
> the very definition of "dross".
> did anyone EVER actually program one, or did EVERYONE just
> use the presets... i bet out of the thousands sold, only
> a handful ever had their presets altered...
>
> ...jeff
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: MAinPsych@aol. com <mailto:MAinPsych% 40aol.com>
> > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> <mailto:newmellotro ngroup%40yahoogr oups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:35 PM
> > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards
> >
> >
> > Today there was a link on AOL titled, "The Ten Worst Keyboards of
> All Time". To my disappointment, it was about PC keyboards; however,
> it got me to thinking that we've talked about cool keyboards (our
> kind, of course), but I don't remember any exchanges about the worst.
> Sure to be some controversy. Any takers?
> >
> > 1. The Birotron (cool in concept; dismal in execution)
> > 2. Any pre-M1 Chamberlin (Excedrin cycling headache # infinity)
> > 3.
> > 4.
> > 5.
> > 6.
> > 7.
> > 8.
> > 9.
> > 10.
>
>

--
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-30 by MAinPsych@aol.com

In a message dated 11/30/2007 1:00:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, wonggster@gmail.com writes:
Which Micro Korg are you talking about ? pre or post 2k ?

gino
 
I'm not familiar with these units.  It's on the list because others have noted how they've loved it so much.  OK, others, can you answer Gino's question?

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Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-30 by lsf5275@aol.com

In a message dated 11/30/2007 2:00:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, MAinPsych@aol.com writes:
I'm not familiar with these units.  It's on the list because others have noted how they've loved it so much.  OK, others, can you answer Gino's question?

Frank 1
 
 
I have a MicroKorg and I love it. I usually midi it because of the little keys. A big plus is that it has a easy to use interface and a nice vocoder. I also like the fact that it can run on batteries, so, with headphones you can play it on an airplane, while watching TV with the family, in bed after the wife is done with you, or even in the car (best here when someone else is driving.) When in the can, forego the magazine and compose.
 
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Re: 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-30 by Rick Blechta

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> I have a MicroKorg and I love it. I usually midi it because of the little
> keys. A big plus is that it has a easy to use interface and a nice vocoder. I
> also like the fact that it can run on batteries, so, with headphones you can
> play it on an airplane, while watching TV with the family, in bed after the
> wife is done with you, or even in the car (best here when someone else is
> driving.) When in the can, forego the magazine and compose.
>
> What's not to like?

I've re-punctuated Frank's message and changed one letter. I think it reads far more
closely to the intent of his prose and what he was trying to get across to all of us. See if
you agree:

I have a MicroKorg and I love it. I usually midi it because of the little
keys. A big plus is that it has a easy to use interface and a nice vocoder. I
also like the fact that it can run on batteries, so, with headphones you can
play it on an airplane while watching TV with the family in bed after the
wife is done with you. Or even in the car (best here when someone else is
driving.). When in the can, forego the magazine -- and compost.

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-30 by gino wong

What's brown and sounds like a bell ?




On Nov 30, 2007 2:53 PM, Rick Blechta < rick@rickblechta.com> wrote:

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> I have a MicroKorg and I love it. I usually midi it because of the little
> keys. A big plus is that it has a easy to use interface and a nice vocoder. I
> also like the fact that it can run on batteries, so, with headphones you can
> play it on an airplane, while watching TV with the family, in bed after the
> wife is done with you, or even in the car (best here when someone else is
> driving.) When in the can, forego the magazine and compose.
>
> What's not to like?

I've re-punctuated Frank's message and changed one letter. I think it reads far more
closely to the intent of his prose and what he was trying to get across to all of us. See if
you agree:


I have a MicroKorg and I love it. I usually midi it because of the little
keys. A big plus is that it has a easy to use interface and a nice vocoder. I
also like the fact that it can run on batteries, so, with headphones you can
play it on an airplane while watching TV with the family in bed after the
wife is done with you. Or even in the car (best here when someone else is
driving.). When in the can, forego the magazine -- and compost.


Re: 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-30 by Berington Van Campen

I thought Gummo was something you use to clean your carburetor!

Actually, I've got a D-50 with all the sound cards available at the
time, and it's been a workhorse with a few VERY decent sounds and
others, such as some of the strings, that actually can help enhance
or smooth out the Mellotron tracks! But I'd agree it's very
frustrating that it's not multi-timbral. Didn't realize that till I
got it home. Lost LOTS of potential usefulness due to only-one-sound-
at-a-time performance. THAT was a BIG mistake by Roland. Huge. Unless
it was pre-planned to "hold" buyers until they could snag 'em with
new multi-timbral instruments. They got ME.

Anyway, cheers to all on the new board, and all the best to you all.

Berington Van Campen
M400 #1485

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@...>
wrote:
>
> "Mellotronomy comedy is the woist thing I ever heard".
>
> -Tronno Marx.
>
>
>
> --- mellotronist <mellotronist@...> wrote:
>
> > I thought Gummo was the "popular" little sister.
> >
> >
> > > you forgot gummo.
> >
>
>
>
>
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-30 by Jack Younger

I should mention a few things:
I assume we are talking stock on most of these things.
If it has to be modded, it's not designed right.
Otherwise we can take the EMI off the list (mine,
after all, is wonderful, but very tricked-out to get
there). We could also remove the Rhodes problem as
there are mods for most of it's issues as well.
I will say that as far as the MicroKorg, definitely
post 2K. Oh, and that new MS2000 sounds just awful.
I loved the Mirage I had, but they (ensoniqs) age
badly. The disk drives go south pretty quickly, the
sequencers tend to freak out and the programming
architecture is maddening, much like the early Roland
samplers, although I have an S-50 that I love, it just
takes a bit of doing. Oh, and yes, the folks at
Ensoniq are lovely people, my experience with them has
been great. A friendly company that supports it's
gear is a definite plus. They take chances with their
designs and I respect that immensely.
Yes, the PSR Yamahas are toys, but they are keyboards
and they do suck. I will only vouch for the decidedly
monstrous CP-70 and the like, as they are lovely.
I'm something of an analog extremist, so that should
be taken into consideration when viewing all my
opinions. Such as:
Anything that does any kind of "modeling" synthesis
can go right into the dustbin. Although fine for live
use, as the convenience factor is undeniable, for
sheer depth of sound quality, I have yet to hear a
modeling synth that does anything other than badly
masquerade as analog. You can't spray-paint an apple
orange and get a tangerine.

On an aside, as much as I disliked having to switch
lists, I love the renewed vigor of the postings here!
My doubts are dispelled.
Cheers all!
-Jack
EMI103S "The Bastard"-calmly tolerating it's almost
immediate addition to the list.


--- gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com> wrote:

> I love the Fizmo, probably because it is different.
> It does need a PSU mod
> before it is roadable.
> The Poly 61 was crap, very weak sound engine and
> cheaply made.
>
> The Polysix had that dreadful leaking battery
> placement. The Mono Poly was
> brilliant.
>
> I think the D50 with a programmer is better than any
> of it's contemporaries,
> you can't always guess what it is.
>
> Anything by EMS with anything that looks like keys.
> The opposite for the
> other half of the box.
>
> Which Micro Korg are you talking about ? pre or post
> 2k ?
>
> gino
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2007 12:26 PM, <MAinPsych@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 11/30/2007 11:49:36 AM
> Eastern Standard Time,
> > jeffc@netaxs.com writes:
> >
> > alright, i have to step in here and come to the
> > defense of SO many of my friends here. ensoniq
> > was based about 12 miles from here,
> >
> > **
> > *Dunno about the Fizmo, but in defense of the
> Ensoniq Mirage, I use it as
> > an adjunct keyboard, and have a track in the works
> that mixes the Mellotron
> > "Watcher" mix and the Mirage disk's 3-violins
> sound to create a very
> > powerful hybrid sound. I've also used my trusty
> Roland Juno-60 (with custom
> > patches) the same way.*
> > **
> > *Frank 1*
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > Check out AOL Money Finance's list of the hottest
>
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> > money
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-30 by Mattias

Hey kids...
 
First time poster...
 
What are the rules on this thing ?
 
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-11-30 by Rick Blechta


On Nov 30, 2007, at 6:34 PM, Mattias wrote:

Hey kids...
 
First time poster...
 
What are the rules on this thing ?

In order to fit in, in each posting, you should try to insult something or someone. If we're all ducking potshots all the time, there won't be time to take offense. Of course, I speak completely for myself. Clay, being Canadian through and through, it too polite to say anything controversial. ;) (Besides, he's too busy working on the boardroom and the lounge in the basement, both of which we're anxious to see. Sorry about the hockey theme in the lounge, but well, this IS Canada.)

Since you're a first time poster, I'm being nice to you. Don't expect it again.

;)

Welcome!

Rick

Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-12-01 by lsf5275@aol.com

In a message dated 11/30/2007 6:34:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Mattias.olsson5@comhem.se writes:
Hey kids...
 
First time poster...
 
What are the rules on this thing ?
Be real. Have fun. Glad to see you here.
 
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-12-01 by Mike Dickson

For some reason the Optigan was never the disappointment that the
Orchestron was. Maybe it's because the former was actually sold as a toy
by Mattell, whereas the latter was sold as a 'professional instrument'.

Mike

fdoddy@aol.com wrote:
>
> That's where you and part ways Andy. I just love the
> Orchestron/Optigan library. It's so cute....
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kinchmusic@aol.com
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 2:57 am
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards
>
> For me it's the Vako Orchestron. I bought it as a "replacement" for a
> tron I sold way back when. Lo fi...Huge disappointment!
> Andy K
>
>
>
> *1. The Birotron (cool in concept; dismal in execution)*
> *2. Any pre-M1 Chamberlin (Excedrin cycling headache # infinity)*
> *3. Fender Rhodes*
> *4.*
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-12-01 by Mike Dickson

Back?

Mike

PS: My condolences about Moffat.

tony wrote:
>
> Welcome back Mike!
>
> Tony Moffett
> U.S.A.
> Ancestral home is Moffat Scotland :-)
> Going there this coming April.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Mike Dickson <mailto:mike.dickson@gmail.com>
> *To:* newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 29, 2007 4:12 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards
>
> I would concur re the M1. I had one for about three months and
> found it
> the most utterly impossible thing to program. The only good thing
> I have
> to say about it is that I managed to sell it at a profit.
>
> Mike
>
> jeffc@netaxs.com <mailto:jeffc@netaxs.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, mellotronist wrote:
> >
> > > Fender Rhodes. I have never hated an instrument with keys as
> much as
> > I hate those things.
> >
> > i'd have to disagree, IMHO, of course.
> > with all the lame crap instruments out there, that would
> > not make my worst 10.
> > i find playing a rhodes a quite organic experience.
> > plug it into a phaser and i think they sound even better.
> >
> > i vote for the korg M-1.
> > the very definition of "dross".
> > did anyone EVER actually program one, or did EVERYONE just
> > use the presets... i bet out of the thousands sold, only
> > a handful ever had their presets altered...
> >
> > ...jeff
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: MAinPsych@aol.com <mailto:MAinPsych%40aol.com>
> <mailto:MAinPsych%40aol.com>
> > > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:35 PM
> > > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards
> > >
> > >
> > > Today there was a link on AOL titled, "The Ten Worst Keyboards of
> > All Time". To my disappointment, it was about PC keyboards;
> however,
> > it got me to thinking that we've talked about cool keyboards (our
> > kind, of course), but I don't remember any exchanges about the
> worst.
> > Sure to be some controversy. Any takers?
> > >
> > > 1. The Birotron (cool in concept; dismal in execution)
> > > 2. Any pre-M1 Chamberlin (Excedrin cycling headache # infinity)
> > > 3.
> > > 4.
> > > 5.
> > > 6.
> > > 7.
> > > 8.
> > > 9.
> > > 10.
> >
> >
>
> --
> Mike Dickson, Edinburgh
>
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-12-01 by Mike Dickson

Explain what's wrong with the Microkorg, will you? That thing is an
absolute powerhouse!

Mike

Jack Younger wrote:
>
>
> OK, these are some obvious choices, but I feel like
> nobody got to 'em:
> Agreement on the DX7
> EMI400, as built (I've battled mine enough to know
> what's up)
> Roland D-50
> Any Yamaha PSR series
> Korg MicroKorg and M1 ( could go on about the Triton
> and Prophecy etc. but that'll take awhile)
> Ensoniq in general but particularly the Fizmo
> A whole lot of Casio (although some can be a pretty
> good time)
> Studio Electronics Moog clones (filter sweeps moving
> in steps?!? Yeesh.)
> Optigan key section, the accompaniment rules and
> always will
> RMI Electric Piano
> Electric home organs in general (with a few
> exceptions)
> That's what I got for now.
> -Jack
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-12-01 by Mike Dickson

'No Swedes' :-)

Mattias wrote:
>
> Hey kids...
>
> First time poster...
>
> What are the rules on this thing ?
>
> Mattias Olsson
> Roth Händle Studios, Stockholm
> www.roth-handle.nu <http://www.roth-handle.nu>
> http://www.myspace.com/57224022 <http://www.myspace.com/57224022>
>
> The Opium Cartel (Nor) - Thieves Kitchen (U.K) - Rokit Scientik -
> Wendy McNeill (Can) - Martin Ekman - Nutcase music - Vijaya -
> Tarantula - Sophie Rockwell (fr) - Wan Light - Celestine - AK-momo -
> Blanc (fr) - Two times the trauma - Devi - Montage - Brighteye Brison
> - Molesome - Nanook of the north - Johan Moraeus - Änglagård -
> Deadwood Forest (U.S)- Ludvig Andersson - Pineforest Crunch -
> Clockwork - Kit le Fever - White Willow (nor) - Akaba - Sofia Talvik -
> Freddie Wadling - Geller - Daniel Lemma - Anders Nordberg - The grand
> opening - Grand tone music - Andreas & Jag - Jared Eggers (U.S)
>

--
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-12-01 by tronbros@aol.com

In a message dated 01/12/2007 09:28:27 GMT Standard Time, mike.dickson@gmail.com writes:
'No Swedes' :-)
An oldy but goody...........
 
A chap goes into a a chemist in Stockholm and asks for a deodorant.  The assistant replies 'Ball or aerosol?'.  The chap say's 'No, I want it for my armpit'.
 
They don't right 'em like that anymore.  Hello Mattias.
 
M
 
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www.mellotronics.com
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US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink.net

Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-12-01 by tony

If I only had the chops and drive I used to!
Hopefully after Jan 8 when my divorce is addressed I will have myself pointed in the right direction and at full power :-).
Thanks for the mail and behave!
 
Your Yankee friend in Florida,
 
Tony
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

If I only could afford them Tony!
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

2007-12-01 by L. Richards

 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] 10 Worst Keyboards

In a message dated 01/12/2007 09:28:27 GMT Standard Time, mike.dickson@gmail.com writes:
'No Swedes' :-)
An oldy but goody...........
 
A chap goes into a a chemist in Stockholm and asks for a deodorant.  The assistant replies 'Ball or aerosol?'.  The chap say's 'No, I want it for my armpit'.
 
They don't right 'em like that anymore.  Hello Mattias.
 
M
 
A British Mellotron Tech goes into a bar with a frog on his head.
The bartender looks up and says,
"Okay...what the hell is this all about?"
The FROG says, "I have no clue...it started out as a wart on my ass"
 
L
Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic

www.mellotronics.com
US Sales East: Jimmy Moore JMoore6397@aol.com
US Sales West: Paul Cox pjc56@earthlink.net

Re: 10 Worst Keyboards - late response

2007-12-15 by nicco_monkey

Sorry for the delay in posting - still reading the 700 posts to the
new group....

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "mellotronist"
<mellotronist@...> wrote:
>
> In format:
>
>
> 1. The Birotron (cool in concept; dismal in execution)

Hurtful as that at first seems to me it is true, but let it be known
that if the engineer who 'redesigned' Dave Biro's original to reduce
the size were still extant I would be near the front of the line to
slap his face with a rotten haddock.

There. My spleen is vented.
Nic.