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model 400 #1300 screwing up

model 400 #1300 screwing up

2015-11-15 by tmconheady@yahoo.com

hi.

i'm doing  a lot of recording with #1300 and it started to give me problems. the motor is speeding up, slowing down, stopping and sometimes lurching fast and slow. i have one of Marcus' sms4 boards in it. when i touch the motor control cable connected to the board it seems to make the above mentioned problems go from one to another. maybe it's a short on the cable or the connector. any thoughts and or solutions from any of you owners out there? 

the wires are yellow/white/green/red/ and a double gray, in that order.

i'd really appreciate any help you folks can offer.

thanks,

terry conheady  400s #1300 and #413

Re: [newmellotrongroup] model 400 #1300 screwing up

2015-11-15 by Andy Kinch

I had the same problem. It turned out to be the potentiometer of the pitch control itself. It may not be for you, but when mine was changed the problem went away.
Hope this helps?
Andy K

Sent from my iPad

On 15 Nov 2015, at 04:16, tmconheady@yahoo.com [newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

hi.

i'm doing  a lot of recording with #1300 and it started to give me problems. the motor is speeding up, slowing down, stopping and sometimes lurching fast and slow. i have one of Marcus' sms4 boards in it. when i touch the motor control cable connected to the board it seems to make the above mentioned problems go from one to another. maybe it's a short on the cable or the connector. any thoughts and or solutions from any of you owners out there? 

the wires are yellow/white/green/red/ and a double gray, in that order.

i'd really appreciate any help you folks can offer.

thanks,

terry conheady  400s #1300 and #413

Re: [newmellotrongroup] model 400 #1300 screwing up

2015-11-16 by Frank Stickle

I'm pretty sure the whole machine is ruined forever.

Sent from my iPad

On Nov 15, 2015, at 2:30 AM, Andy Kinch kinchmusic@aol.com [newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I had the same problem. It turned out to be the potentiometer of the pitch control itself. It may not be for you, but when mine was changed the problem went away.
Hope this helps?
Andy K

Sent from my iPad

On 15 Nov 2015, at 04:16, tmconheady@yahoo.com [newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

hi.

i'm doing  a lot of recording with #1300 and it started to give me problems. the motor is speeding up, slowing down, stopping and sometimes lurching fast and slow. i have one of Marcus' sms4 boards in it. when i touch the motor control cable connected to the board it seems to make the above mentioned problems go from one to another. maybe it's a short on the cable or the connector. any thoughts and or solutions from any of you owners out there? 

the wires are yellow/white/green/red/ and a double gray, in that order.

i'd really appreciate any help you folks can offer.

thanks,

terry conheady  400s #1300 and #413

Re: [newmellotrongroup] model 400 #1300 screwing up

2015-11-16 by fdoddy@aol.com

hahahaha!



-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Stickle lsf5275@aol.com [newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Nov 16, 2015 7:18 am
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] model 400 #1300 screwing up

 
I'm pretty sure the whole machine is ruined forever.

Sent from my iPad

On Nov 15, 2015, at 2:30 AM, Andy Kinch kinchmusic@aol.com [newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
I had the same problem. It turned out to be the potentiometer of the pitch control itself. It may not be for you, but when mine was changed the problem went away.
Hope this helps?
Andy K

Sent from my iPad

On 15 Nov 2015, at 04:16, tmconheady@yahoo.com [newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
hi.
i'm doing  a lot of recording with #1300 and it started to give me problems. the motor is speeding up, slowing down, stopping and sometimes lurching fast and slow. i have one of Marcus' sms4 boards in it. when i touch the motor control cable connected to the board it seems to make the above mentioned problems go from one to another. maybe it's a short on the cable or the connector. any thoughts and or solutions from any of you owners out there? 
the wires are yellow/white/green/red/ and a double gray, in that order.
i'd really appreciate any help you folks can offer.
thanks,
terry conheady  400s #1300 and #413

Re: [newmellotrongroup] model 400 #1300 screwing up

2015-11-16 by John Barrick

For proper disposal, FREE OF CHARGE, simply ship to my convenient Iowa recycling facility, Terry.

On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 11:26 AM, fdoddy@aol.com [newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

hahahaha!




-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Stickle lsf5275@aol.com [newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Nov 16, 2015 7:18 am
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] model 400 #1300 screwing up

 
I'm pretty sure the whole machine is ruined forever.

Sent from my iPad

On Nov 15, 2015, at 2:30 AM, Andy Kinch kinchmusic@aol.com [newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
I had the same problem. It turned out to be the potentiometer of the pitch control itself. It may not be for you, but when mine was changed the problem went away.
Hope this helps?
Andy K

Sent from my iPad

On 15 Nov 2015, at 04:16, tmconheady@yahoo.com [newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
hi.
i'm doing  a lot of recording with #1300 and it started to give me problems. the motor is speeding up, slowing down, stopping and sometimes lurching fast and slow. i have one of Marcus' sms4 boards in it. when i touch the motor control cable connected to the board it seems to make the above mentioned problems go from one to another. maybe it's a short on the cable or the connector. any thoughts and or solutions from any of you owners out there? 
the wires are yellow/white/green/red/ and a double gray, in that order.
i'd really appreciate any help you folks can offer.
thanks,
terry conheady  400s #1300 and #413




--
john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*

Re: [newmellotrongroup] model 400 #1300 screwing up

2015-11-17 by gino wong

The "NOT" screaming cable rot.

On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 6:44 PM, John Barrick barrickjohn262@gmail.com [newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

For proper disposal, FREE OF CHARGE, simply ship to my convenient Iowa recycling facility, Terry.

On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 11:26 AM, fdoddy@aol.com [newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

hahahaha!




-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Stickle lsf5275@aol.com [newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Nov 16, 2015 7:18 am
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] model 400 #1300 screwing up

 
I'm pretty sure the whole machine is ruined forever.

Sent from my iPad

On Nov 15, 2015, at 2:30 AM, Andy Kinch kinchmusic@aol.com [newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
I had the same problem. It turned out to be the potentiometer of the pitch control itself. It may not be for you, but when mine was changed the problem went away.
Hope this helps?
Andy K

Sent from my iPad

On 15 Nov 2015, at 04:16, tmconheady@yahoo.com [newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
hi.
i'm doing  a lot of recording with #1300 and it started to give me problems. the motor is speeding up, slowing down, stopping and sometimes lurching fast and slow. i have one of Marcus' sms4 boards in it. when i touch the motor control cable connected to the board it seems to make the above mentioned problems go from one to another. maybe it's a short on the cable or the connector. any thoughts and or solutions from any of you owners out there? 
the wires are yellow/white/green/red/ and a double gray, in that order.
i'd really appreciate any help you folks can offer.
thanks,
terry conheady  400s #1300 and #413




--
john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*




--
Gino Wong Birgelo  BSComm, BSEE, PhP

ReRed Recording
Girard Hall Studios (ReRed Treehouse)
527 W. Girard Avenue 
Philadelphia, PA 19123 USA   
215 717 7059

Re: [newmellotrongroup] model 400 #1300 screwing up

2015-11-17 by Terry Conheady

hey.
suppose i detach the motor and install a hand crank.
i think it's in the cable as i was able to use it for a bit by taping the cable in a certain position that allowed it to play stable. that, however, stopped working. now all i get by moving the cable is real fast or stopped. could i shorten the cable and solder the cut end to the plug, or maybe just replace the cable with a new one or even use the cable from #413 as i rarely use it because it still has sms10 board in it.




On Monday, November 16, 2015 7:18 AM, "Frank Stickle lsf5275@aol.com [newmellotrongroup]" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
I'm pretty sure the whole machine is ruined forever.

Sent from my iPad

On Nov 15, 2015, at 2:30 AM, Andy Kinch kinchmusic@aol.com [newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
I had the same problem. It turned out to be the potentiometer of the pitch control itself. It may not be for you, but when mine was changed the problem went away.
Hope this helps?
Andy K

Sent from my iPad

On 15 Nov 2015, at 04:16, tmconheady@yahoo.com [newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
hi.
i'm doing  a lot of recording with #1300 and it started to give me problems. the motor is speeding up, slowing down, stopping and sometimes lurching fast and slow. i have one of Marcus' sms4 boards in it. when i touch the motor control cable connected to the board it seems to make the above mentioned problems go from one to another. maybe it's a short on the cable or the connector. any thoughts and or solutions from any of you owners out there? 
the wires are yellow/white/green/red/ and a double gray, in that order.
i'd really appreciate any help you folks can offer.
thanks,
terry conheady  400s #1300 and #413


Re: [newmellotrongroup] model 400 #1300 screwing up

2015-11-17 by John Barrick

That's certainly worth trying, Terry.  I go for replacing the cable rather than stealing from your other machine.

On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 7:01 PM, Terry Conheady tmconheady@yahoo.com [newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

hey.
suppose i detach the motor and install a hand crank.
i think it's in the cable as i was able to use it for a bit by taping the cable in a certain position that allowed it to play stable. that, however, stopped working. now all i get by moving the cable is real fast or stopped. could i shorten the cable and solder the cut end to the plug, or maybe just replace the cable with a new one or even use the cable from #413 as i rarely use it because it still has sms10 board in it.




On Monday, November 16, 2015 7:18 AM, "Frank Stickle lsf5275@aol.com [newmellotrongroup]" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
I'm pretty sure the whole machine is ruined forever.

Sent from my iPad

On Nov 15, 2015, at 2:30 AM, Andy Kinch kinchmusic@aol.com [newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
I had the same problem. It turned out to be the potentiometer of the pitch control itself. It may not be for you, but when mine was changed the problem went away.
Hope this helps?
Andy K

Sent from my iPad

On 15 Nov 2015, at 04:16, tmconheady@yahoo.com [newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
hi.
i'm doing  a lot of recording with #1300 and it started to give me problems. the motor is speeding up, slowing down, stopping and sometimes lurching fast and slow. i have one of Marcus' sms4 boards in it. when i touch the motor control cable connected to the board it seems to make the above mentioned problems go from one to another. maybe it's a short on the cable or the connector. any thoughts and or solutions from any of you owners out there? 
the wires are yellow/white/green/red/ and a double gray, in that order.
i'd really appreciate any help you folks can offer.
thanks,
terry conheady  400s #1300 and #413





--
john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*

Re: [newmellotrongroup] model 400 #1300 screwing up

2015-11-17 by lsf5275@aol.com

Check for a bad solder joint at both ends of the cable.
 
 
In a message dated 11/16/2015 9:04:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com writes:
 

That's certainly worth trying, Terry.  I go for replacing the cable rather than stealing from your other machine.

On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 7:01 PM, Terry Conheady tmconheady@yahoo.com [newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

hey.
suppose i detach the motor and install a hand crank.
i think it's in the cable as i was able to use it for a bit by taping the cable in a certain position that allowed it to play stable. that, however, stopped working. now all i get by moving the cable is real fast or stopped. could i shorten the cable and solder the cut end to the plug, or maybe just replace the cable with a new one or even use the cable from #413 as i rarely use it because it still has sms10 board in it.




On Monday, November 16, 2015 7:18 AM, "Frank Stickle lsf5275@aol.com [newmellotrongroup]" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
I'm pretty sure the whole machine is ruined forever.

Sent from my iPad

On Nov 15, 2015, at 2:30 AM, Andy Kinch kinchmusic@aol.com [newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
I had the same problem. It turned out to be the potentiometer of the pitch control itself. It may not be for you, but when mine was changed the problem went away.
Hope this helps?
Andy K

Sent from my iPad

On 15 Nov 2015, at 04:16, tmconheady@yahoo.com [newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
hi.
i'm doing  a lot of recording with #1300 and it started to give me problems. the motor is speeding up, slowing down, stopping and sometimes lurching fast and slow. i have one of Marcus' sms4 boards in it. when i touch the motor control cable connected to the board it seems to make the above mentioned problems go from one to another. maybe it's a short on the cable or the connector. any thoughts and or solutions from any of you owners out there? 
the wires are yellow/white/green/red/ and a double gray, in that order.
i'd really appreciate any help you folks can offer.
thanks,
terry conheady  400s #1300 and #413





--
john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*

Re: [newmellotrongroup] model 400 #1300 screwing up

2015-11-17 by Chris Dale

If you've got cable rot and you've moved the cable around, then you might now have magnetized tape heads as well.

Demagnetize.



On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 9:05 PM, lsf5275@aol.com [newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Check for a bad solder joint at both ends of the cable.
 
 
In a message dated 11/16/2015 9:04:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com writes:
 

That's certainly worth trying, Terry.  I go for replacing the cable rather than stealing from your other machine.

On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 7:01 PM, Terry Conheady tmconheady@yahoo.com [newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

hey.
suppose i detach the motor and install a hand crank.
i think it's in the cable as i was able to use it for a bit by taping the cable in a certain position that allowed it to play stable. that, however, stopped working. now all i get by moving the cable is real fast or stopped. could i shorten the cable and solder the cut end to the plug, or maybe just replace the cable with a new one or even use the cable from #413 as i rarely use it because it still has sms10 board in it.




On Monday, November 16, 2015 7:18 AM, "Frank Stickle lsf5275@aol.com [newmellotrongroup]" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
I'm pretty sure the whole machine is ruined forever.

Sent from my iPad

On Nov 15, 2015, at 2:30 AM, Andy Kinch kinchmusic@aol.com [newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
I had the same problem. It turned out to be the potentiometer of the pitch control itself. It may not be for you, but when mine was changed the problem went away.
Hope this helps?
Andy K

Sent from my iPad

On 15 Nov 2015, at 04:16, tmconheady@yahoo.com [newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
hi.
i'm doing  a lot of recording with #1300 and it started to give me problems. the motor is speeding up, slowing down, stopping and sometimes lurching fast and slow. i have one of Marcus' sms4 boards in it. when i touch the motor control cable connected to the board it seems to make the above mentioned problems go from one to another. maybe it's a short on the cable or the connector. any thoughts and or solutions from any of you owners out there? 
the wires are yellow/white/green/red/ and a double gray, in that order.
i'd really appreciate any help you folks can offer.
thanks,
terry conheady  400s #1300 and #413





--
john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*


Re: model 400 #1300 screwing up

2015-11-17 by Berington Van Campen

Hey Terry,

Andy's comment about replacing the pitch control pot got me thinking. That was really painful, but it happened. My experience has been that 99.9947% of the time, give or take a digit or two, (did I just refer to "digital?"), a quick shot of good contact cleaner will fix any bad contact in the pot, unless it IS a bad solder joint - but that's actually pretty rare - and you'll be up and running in literally a minute or two. 

Not long ago, I saved our keyboard player a couple hundred dollars to a tech guy with his Kurzweil 2661, when a key or two went out. A few minutes of minor surgery, some reference to a "Kurzweil Guru" online, and my trusty contact cleaner, and we had all his under-key contacts AND while we were there, all the other electrical/audio/PCB connections, cleaned and working perfectly in short order.  Not much unlike cleaning, de-magging the heads and other such sorta tedious-but-not-unpleasant maintenance in your Mellotron, except cleaning the pot's that much easier.  Definitely give it a try before going into surgery for a pot transplant!

Note: I'm SURE it needn't be said, but do keep in mind, considering my above reference, that contact cleaner, tape head cleaner, WD-40 and/or alcohol, etc., are NOT one and the same.  I've seen people cross-use those things (my keyboard player would be one to do that, God love 'im), with disastrous results.  The contact cleaner is what you want.  "DeOx-It" [sp?] is one of the best.  Save the alcohol til your 'Tron's working perfectly again, then apply liberally and systemically if you'd like, preferably with friends or S.Os. That COULD be compared by some to "head cleaner"... or not.  (-:  A pint of Guinness works nicely in that regard.  Here's to your Happy Pitch Control!

Cheers!
B
 
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] model 400 #1300 screwing up

2015-11-17 by lsf5275@aol.com

Not likely since the cable in question is from the pitch pot to the SMS. This has nothing to do with the tape heads.
 
In a message dated 11/17/2015 2:49:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com writes:
 

If you've got cable rot and you've moved the cable around, then you might now have magnetized tape heads as well.

Demagnetize.



On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 9:05 PM, lsf5275@aol.com [newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Check for a bad solder joint at both ends of the cable.
 
 
In a message dated 11/16/2015 9:04:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com writes:
 

That's certainly worth trying, Terry.  I go for replacing the cable rather than stealing from your other machine.

On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 7:01 PM, Terry Conheady tmconheady@yahoo.com [newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

hey.
suppose i detach the motor and install a hand crank.
i think it's in the cable as i was able to use it for a bit by taping the cable in a certain position that allowed it to play stable. that, however, stopped working. now all i get by moving the cable is real fast or stopped. could i shorten the cable and solder the cut end to the plug, or maybe just replace the cable with a new one or even use the cable from #413 as i rarely use it because it still has sms10 board in it.




On Monday, November 16, 2015 7:18 AM, "Frank Stickle lsf5275@aol.com [newmellotrongroup]" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
I'm pretty sure the whole machine is ruined forever.

Sent from my iPad

On Nov 15, 2015, at 2:30 AM, Andy Kinch kinchmusic@aol.com [newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
I had the same problem. It turned out to be the potentiometer of the pitch control itself. It may not be for you, but when mine was changed the problem went away.
Hope this helps?
Andy K

Sent from my iPad

On 15 Nov 2015, at 04:16, tmconheady@yahoo.com [newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
hi.
i'm doing  a lot of recording with #1300 and it started to give me problems. the motor is speeding up, slowing down, stopping and sometimes lurching fast and slow. i have one of Marcus' sms4 boards in it. when i touch the motor control cable connected to the board it seems to make the above mentioned problems go from one to another. maybe it's a short on the cable or the connector. any thoughts and or solutions from any of you owners out there? 
the wires are yellow/white/green/red/ and a double gray, in that order.
i'd really appreciate any help you folks can offer.
thanks,
terry conheady  400s #1300 and #413





--
john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*


Re: [newmellotrongroup] model 400 #1300 screwing up

2015-11-17 by Chris Dale

Not likely since the cable in question is from the pitch pot to the SMS. This has nothing to do with the tape heads.


Okay, sorry I thought it was the headblock cable.

In this case, yeah I'd clean the cables and connectors, and proceed from there.







On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 12:40 PM, lsf5275@aol.com [newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Not likely since the cable in question is from the pitch pot to the SMS. This has nothing to do with the tape heads.
 
In a message dated 11/17/2015 2:49:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com writes:
 

If you've got cable rot and you've moved the cable around, then you might now have magnetized tape heads as well.

Demagnetize.



On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 9:05 PM, lsf5275@aol.com [newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Check for a bad solder joint at both ends of the cable.
 
 
In a message dated 11/16/2015 9:04:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com writes:
 

That's certainly worth trying, Terry.  I go for replacing the cable rather than stealing from your other machine.

On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 7:01 PM, Terry Conheady tmconheady@yahoo.com [newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

hey.
suppose i detach the motor and install a hand crank.
i think it's in the cable as i was able to use it for a bit by taping the cable in a certain position that allowed it to play stable. that, however, stopped working. now all i get by moving the cable is real fast or stopped. could i shorten the cable and solder the cut end to the plug, or maybe just replace the cable with a new one or even use the cable from #413 as i rarely use it because it still has sms10 board in it.




On Monday, November 16, 2015 7:18 AM, "Frank Stickle lsf5275@aol.com [newmellotrongroup]" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
I'm pretty sure the whole machine is ruined forever.

Sent from my iPad

On Nov 15, 2015, at 2:30 AM, Andy Kinch kinchmusic@aol.com [newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
I had the same problem. It turned out to be the potentiometer of the pitch control itself. It may not be for you, but when mine was changed the problem went away.
Hope this helps?
Andy K

Sent from my iPad

On 15 Nov 2015, at 04:16, tmconheady@yahoo.com [newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
hi.
i'm doing  a lot of recording with #1300 and it started to give me problems. the motor is speeding up, slowing down, stopping and sometimes lurching fast and slow. i have one of Marcus' sms4 boards in it. when i touch the motor control cable connected to the board it seems to make the above mentioned problems go from one to another. maybe it's a short on the cable or the connector. any thoughts and or solutions from any of you owners out there? 
the wires are yellow/white/green/red/ and a double gray, in that order.
i'd really appreciate any help you folks can offer.
thanks,
terry conheady  400s #1300 and #413





--
john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*



Re: [newmellotrongroup] model 400 #1300 screwing up

2015-11-18 by Bruce Daily

Hi guys-

Here is a suggestion. If wiggling the cable at the control box causes the speed changes, yep, it is something in the box or the potentiometer. If wiggling the cable at the SMS card end causes the speed changes, first try cleaning the card edge connector. The pads on the card edge can be cleaned with a fresh pencil eraser (remember pencils?), followed with some alcohol or contact cleaner. Be careful cleaning the connector. Be creative and try not to bend the contacts. If still no workee, resolder the offending wires to the connector. While you're at it, it might be a good idea to clean both connectors on the SMS card. Hope this helps.

-Bruce Daily


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On Tue, 11/17/15, Chris Dale unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com [newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] model 400 #1300 screwing up
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2015, 4:50 PM


 









Not likely since the cable in
question is from the pitch pot to the SMS. This has nothing
to do with the tape heads.


Okay, sorry I thought it
was the headblock cable.
In this case, yeah
I'd clean the cables and connectors, and proceed from
there.






On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at
12:40 PM, lsf5275@aol.com
[newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:















 












Not likely since the cable in question is from the
pitch pot to the SMS.
This has nothing to do with the tape
heads.
 

In a message dated 11/17/2015 2:49:46 A.M. Eastern
Standard Time,
newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
writes:
 


If you've got cable rot and
you've moved the cable around, then
you might now have magnetized tape heads as well.


Demagnetize.






On Mon, Nov 16, 2015
at 9:05 PM, lsf5275@aol.com

[newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:


 




Check for a bad solder
joint at both ends of the cable.


 
 

In a message dated 11/16/2015 9:04:38 P.M. Eastern
Standard Time, newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
writes:
 


That's certainly worth trying,
Terry.  I go for
replacing the cable rather than stealing from your
other machine.


On Mon, Nov 16,
2015 at 7:01 PM, Terry Conheady tmconheady@yahoo.com
[newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:


 





hey.
suppose i detach the motor and
install a hand
crank.
i think it's in the cable
as i was able to use it for
a bit by taping the cable in a certain position that
allowed it to play
stable. that, however, stopped working. now all i
get by moving the
cable is real fast or stopped. could i shorten the
cable and solder the
cut end to the plug, or maybe just replace the cable
with a new one or
even use the cable from #413 as i rarely use it
because it still has
sms10 board in it.









On
Monday, November 16, 2015 7:18
AM, "Frank Stickle lsf5275@aol.com

[newmellotrongroup]" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:





 




I'm pretty sure the whole machine is ruined
forever.

Sent from my
iPad


On Nov 15, 2015, at 2:30 AM,
Andy Kinch kinchmusic@aol.com

[newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



 


I had the same problem. It turned out to be
the potentiometer of
the pitch control itself. It may not be for you,
but when mine was
changed the problem went away.
Hope this helps?
Andy K

Sent
from my iPad

On 15 Nov 2015, at 04:16, tmconheady@yahoo.com

[newmellotrongroup] <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:



 


hi.
i'm doing  a lot of recording
with #1300 and it
started to give me problems. the motor is
speeding up, slowing down,
stopping and sometimes lurching fast and slow. i
have one of Marcus'
sms4 boards in it. when i touch the motor
control cable connected to
the board it seems to make the above mentioned
problems go from one
to another. maybe it's a short on the cable
or the connector. any
thoughts and or solutions from any of you owners
out
there? 
the wires are yellow/white/green/red/
and a double gray,
in that order.
i'd really appreciate any help
you folks can
offer.
thanks,
terry conheady  400s #1300 and
#413












--


john barrick


*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it
righter*







































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