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Effect Advice

2014-04-29 by Mike Dickson

A question for those with talented ears: I'm going to put some Tron down on a tune recorded by a mate, and I was hoping to get a sound similar to that which Bob Ezrin pulled off on Caroline Says II on Lou Reed's Berlin. Trouble is, I've tried a few things and nothing sounds quite like it.

Here is Ezrin doing his thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TOlgGUcWaE#t=90

Obviously it's double tracked, but there is something very odd about the filtering. Anyone got any ideas?

Mike

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Effect Advice

2014-04-29 by DiPaolo Richard

Facts about how Mike Pinder used effects on his mellotron was a technique called "spanning". He used one channel "dry" and the other with pure reverb. It then spans across the sound stage.
Sounds like they are doing the same here. Listening closely I heard the right side first then the left causing this "spanning" effect. That's my take.

Rich D.

From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 4:49 PM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Effect Advice

A question for those with talented ears: I'm going to put some Tron down on a tune recorded by a mate, and I was hoping to get a sound similar to that which Bob Ezrin pulled off on Caroline Says II on Lou Reed's Berlin. Trouble is, I've tried a few things and nothing sounds quite like it.

Here is Ezrin doing his thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TOlgGUcWaE#t=90

Obviously it's double tracked, but there is something very odd about the filtering. Anyone got any ideas?

Mike

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Effect Advice

2014-04-30 by James Parthun

Could this lovely string sound be a Mellotron M300??

On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com> wrote:

A question for those with talented ears: I'm going to put some Tron down on a tune recorded by a mate, and I was hoping to get a sound similar to that which Bob Ezrin pulled off on Caroline Says II on Lou Reed's Berlin. Trouble is, I've tried a few things and nothing sounds quite like it.

Here is Ezrin doing his thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TOlgGUcWaE#t=90

Obviously it's double tracked, but there is something very odd about the filtering. Anyone got any ideas?

Mike

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Re: [newmellotrongroup] Effect Advice

2014-04-30 by gino wong

Tape echo. Easist done with an open reel deck or two

Your double tracking could be spill

BIg plate reverbs can mess up sound like that too.

On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 5:05 PM, DiPaolo Richard <kathnrich@yahoo.com> wrote:

Facts about how Mike Pinder used effects on his mellotron was a technique called "spanning". He used one channel "dry" and the other with pure reverb. It then spans across the sound stage.
Sounds like they are doing the same here. Listening closely I heard the right side first then the left causing this "spanning" effect. That's my take.

Rich D.

From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 4:49 PM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Effect Advice

A question for those with talented ears: I'm going to put some Tron down on a tune recorded by a mate, and I was hoping to get a sound similar to that which Bob Ezrin pulled off on Caroline Says II on Lou Reed's Berlin. Trouble is, I've tried a few things and nothing sounds quite like it.

Here is Ezrin doing his thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TOlgGUcWaE#t=90

Obviously it's double tracked, but there is something very odd about the filtering. Anyone got any ideas?

Mike

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ReRED Recording, Analog Sound Design
Audio Mastering, Recording & Restoration, Logistics

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Re: [newmellotrongroup] Effect Advice

2014-04-30 by gino wong

You know James.

I did note a BJH sort of lovely string swirl, from around that time as well. .

On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 11:13 PM, gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com> wrote:

Tape echo. Easist done with an open reel deck or two

Your double tracking could be spill

BIg plate reverbs can mess up sound like that too.

On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 5:05 PM, DiPaolo Richard <kathnrich@yahoo.com> wrote:

Facts about how Mike Pinder used effects on his mellotron was a technique called "spanning". He used one channel "dry" and the other with pure reverb. It then spans across the sound stage.
Sounds like they are doing the same here. Listening closely I heard the right side first then the left causing this "spanning" effect. That's my take.

Rich D.

From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 4:49 PM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Effect Advice

A question for those with talented ears: I'm going to put some Tron down on a tune recorded by a mate, and I was hoping to get a sound similar to that which Bob Ezrin pulled off on Caroline Says II on Lou Reed's Berlin. Trouble is, I've tried a few things and nothing sounds quite like it.

Here is Ezrin doing his thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TOlgGUcWaE#t=90

Obviously it's double tracked, but there is something very odd about the filtering. Anyone got any ideas?

Mike

--

Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE,

ReRED Recording, Analog Sound Design
Audio Mastering, Recording & Restoration, Logistics

Ginowong@gmail.com

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Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE,

ReRED Recording, Analog Sound Design
Audio Mastering, Recording & Restoration, Logistics

Ginowong@gmail.com

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Effect Advice

2014-04-30 by DiPaolo Richard

I have done the tape echo live, using a 1/4" reel-to-reel. One side dry the other the delayed echo. That does work awesome for spanning Gino!

Rich D.

From: gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Effect Advice

Tape echo. Easist done with an open reel deck or two

Your double tracking could be spill

BIg plate reverbs can mess up sound like that too.

On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 5:05 PM, DiPaolo Richard <kathnrich@yahoo.com> wrote:

Facts about how Mike Pinder used effects on his mellotron was a technique called "spanning". He used one channel "dry" and the other with pure reverb. It then spans across the sound stage.
Sounds like they are doing the same here. Listening closely I heard the right side first then the left causing this "spanning" effect. That's my take.

Rich D.

From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 4:49 PM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Effect Advice

A question for those with talented ears: I'm going to put some Tron down on a tune recorded by a mate, and I was hoping to get a sound similar to that which Bob Ezrin pulled off on Caroline Says II on Lou Reed's Berlin. Trouble is, I've tried a few things and nothing sounds quite like it.

Here is Ezrin doing his thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TOlgGUcWaE#t=90

Obviously it's double tracked, but there is something very odd about the filtering. Anyone got any ideas?

Mike

--

Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE,

ReRED Recording, Analog Sound Design
Audio Mastering, Recording & Restoration, Logistics

Ginowong@gmail.com

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Effect Advice

2014-04-30 by fdoddy@aol.com

I'm with Gino on this one, as one side feels louder than the other. I did not audition the track in mono, as that would give a little more indication about the process involved.

fd

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From: DiPaolo Richard <kathnrich@yahoo.com>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Apr 30, 2014 7:46 am
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Effect Advice

I have done the tape echo live, using a 1/4" reel-to-reel. One side dry the other the delayed echo. That does work awesome for spanning Gino!

Rich D.

From: gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Effect Advice

Tape echo. Easist done with an open reel deck or two

Your double tracking could be spill

BIg plate reverbs can mess up sound like that too.

On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 5:05 PM, DiPaolo Richard <kathnrich@yahoo.com> wrote:

Facts about how Mike Pinder used effects on his mellotron was a technique called "spanning". He used one channel "dry" and the other with pure reverb. It then spans across the sound stage.
Sounds like they are doing the same here. Listening closely I heard the right side first then the left causing this "spanning" effect. That's my take.

Rich D.

From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2014 4:49 PM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Effect Advice

A question for those with talented ears: I'm going to put some Tron down on a tune recorded by a mate, and I was hoping to get a sound similar to that which Bob Ezrin pulled off on Caroline Says II on Lou Reed's Berlin. Trouble is, I've tried a few things and nothing sounds quite like it.

Here is Ezrin doing his thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TOlgGUcWaE#t=90

Obviously it's double tracked, but there is something very odd about the filtering. Anyone got any ideas?

Mike

--

Gino Wong Birgelo

BSComm, BSEE,

ReRED Recording, Analog Sound Design

Audio Mastering, Recording & Restoration, Logistics

Ginowong@gmail.com

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Effect Advice

2014-04-30 by <ecclesreinson@rogers.com>

EQ--- They may have chopped off most of the top end above 8,000 or 9,000 hz. Even the usual 6,000 hz peak seems rolled off.

I agree with all of you. It does remind me of M300 reverb. The dry signal seems to fade in and out while the wet track doesn't.

Whatever it is they done....They done good.

Clay-Baby

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Effect Advice

2014-04-30 by Chris Dale

It sounds like one track has an almost dry tape echo with a very short decay time and the other is spring reverb or EMT plate reverb.

I agree with Clay that the top has been rolled off.

It's not M300 strings though. It sounds more like heavily EQ'd M400.

On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com> wrote:

A question for those with talented ears: I'm going to put some Tron down on a tune recorded by a mate, and I was hoping to get a sound similar to that which Bob Ezrin pulled off on Caroline Says II on Lou Reed's Berlin. Trouble is, I've tried a few things and nothing sounds quite like it.

Here is Ezrin doing his thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TOlgGUcWaE#t=90

Obviously it's double tracked, but there is something very odd about the filtering. Anyone got any ideas?

Mike