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Foxtrot just arrived, played Watcher of the Skies,
very disappointing, can't understand what all the fuss
is about.

Mark


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From: Mark Pring

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Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 8:01 AM

Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Watcher of the skies

Foxtrot just arrived, played Watcher of the Skies,
very disappointing, can't understand what all the fuss
is about.

Mark

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--- Mattias <Mattias.olsson5@comhem.se> wrote:

> I like your attitude...Now do the Moody blues...

No I quite liked the mellotron and chamberlin sounds
of the Moody Blues but not the material. Quite like
the Genesis material but not the mellotron sounds.
Prefer King Crimson and BJH to both. Really enjoy
playing Cirkus at maximum volume.

Mark

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> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Watcher of the skies
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> Foxtrot just arrived, played Watcher of the Skies,
> very disappointing, can't understand what all the
> fuss
> is about.
>
> Mark
>
>
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--- tronbros@aol.com wrote:

> Listen to Janacek's Taras Bulba and forget about
> rock.
>
> M

Hi Martin, Rock's just for fun,nostalgia and
frightening the cat. The Well Tempered Clavier and the
Handel and Corelli Concerto grossi are all I really
need these days.

I keep trying to arrange Corelli for massed m-tron
string samples but the sound it never sounds right for
some reason.

Still I do like Janacek particularly the operas and I
am fortunate that the NZ Opera are doing Jenufa in
Wellington later this year.

When I get #1565 going I am going to be the only
baroque mellotron player in the southern hemisphere!

Mark

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WHAT?!?!?!? The production is really bad on foxtrot and nursery cryme, which doesn't help, so I can see why you'd be underwhelmed. A live version might help.

MAinPsych@aol.com wrote:

Hah! I thought I was the only one! I do like Hackett's little guitar piece -- sort of like his version of Steve Howe's Mood For A Day on Yes' Fragile.

Frank

In a message dated 3/6/2008 11:02:10 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, markpringnz@ yahoo.com writes:

Foxtrot just arrived, played Watcher of the Skies,
very disappointing, can't understand what all the fuss
is about.

Mark

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--- tronbros@aol.com <mailto:tronbros%40aol.com> wrote:

> Listen to Janacek's Taras Bulba and forget about
> rock.
>
> M

Hi Martin, Rock's just for fun,nostalgia and
frightening the cat. The Well Tempered Clavier and the
Handel and Corelli Concerto grossi are all I really
need these days.

I keep trying to arrange Corelli for massed m-tron
string samples but the sound it never sounds right for
some reason.

Still I do like Janacek particularly the operas and I
am fortunate that the NZ Opera are doing Jenufa in
Wellington later this year.

When I get #1565 going I am going to be the only
baroque mellotron player in the southern hemisphere!

Mark

> Streetly Electronics - All Things Mellotronic
>
> _www.mellotronics.com_
> (http://www.mellotronics.com/)
>
> US Sales East: Jimmy Moore_ JMoore6397@aol.com <mailto:JMoore6397%40aol.com> _
> (http://JMoore6397@aol.com/)
> US Sales West: Paul Cox_ pjc56@earthlink._
> (http://pjc56@earthlink.net/)
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Hi all-

Yeah, the title track does wear on you. Almost no
use of volume pedal for dynamic effect. And, wasn't
the audio compression used in the early 70's
wonderful? It 'bout smashed the overall dynamics down
to nothing. I still like the mix of violins and
brass, though (I know, I just bought the mix). A very
distant and sad sound, but yearning for dynamic
swells. I picked up "Genesis Live" recently. The
tron on "Watcher" opens with the violins more
prominent that the brass, which sounds strange.

Prog? Gimme "Siberian Khatru", "Topographic
Oceans", "Take a Pebble", "Selling England By the
Pound"(the track), "Black Light Syndrome"(something
more recent), and, the original "Quadrophenia". So
there.

-Bruce D.
#1221 (ducking)


--- Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Foxtrot just arrived, played Watcher of the Skies,
> very disappointing, can't understand what all the
> fuss
> is about.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>

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Bruce Daily wrote:

>
>
> Hi all-
>
> Yeah, the title track does wear on you. Almost no use of volume
> pedal for dynamic effect. And, wasn't the audio compression used in
> the early 70's wonderful? It 'bout smashed the overall dynamics
> down to nothing. I still like the mix of violins and brass, though
> (I know, I just bought the mix). A very distant and sad sound, but
> yearning for dynamic swells. I picked up "Genesis Live" recently.
> The tron on "Watcher" opens with the violins more prominent that
> the brass, which sounds strange.
>
> Prog? Gimme "Siberian Khatru", "Topographic Oceans", "Take a
> Pebble", "Selling England By the Pound"(the track), "Black Light
> Syndrome"(something more recent), and, the original "Quadrophenia".
> So there.
>
> -Bruce D. #1221 (ducking)

What CD version of "Foxtrot" do you have? I seriously wouldn't touch
the recent high-tech remasters with a bargepole. I bought a couple of
them and unloaded them ASAP. Glad I kept my old Genesis CDs. The newer
super-duper reissues have all been given modern mastering and are far
worse for it IMO. Go back to the vinyl or the first US CDS, or even
the first remaster series from the early/mid 90s. You'll find there's
a whole lot more dynamics there than you're hearing, if you have the
version I suspect you have. YMMV.
--
Cheers,
SDM -- a 21st century schizoid man
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"Soundtracks For Imaginary Movies" CD released Dec 2004
"Codetalkers" CD coming Xmas 2007
NP: nothing

Yes I have the remastered CD, but I think that's it as
far as Genesis is concerned I'm not spending any more
money on them.

Mark
--- sdavmor <sdavmor@systemstheory.net> wrote:

> Bruce Daily wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi all-
> >
> > Yeah, the title track does wear on you. Almost no
> use of volume
> > pedal for dynamic effect. And, wasn't the audio
> compression used in
> > the early 70's wonderful? It 'bout smashed the
> overall dynamics
> > down to nothing. I still like the mix of violins
> and brass, though
> > (I know, I just bought the mix). A very distant
> and sad sound, but
> > yearning for dynamic swells. I picked up "Genesis
> Live" recently.
> > The tron on "Watcher" opens with the violins more
> prominent that
> > the brass, which sounds strange.
> >
> > Prog? Gimme "Siberian Khatru", "Topographic
> Oceans", "Take a
> > Pebble", "Selling England By the Pound"(the
> track), "Black Light
> > Syndrome"(something more recent), and, the
> original "Quadrophenia".
> > So there.
> >
> > -Bruce D. #1221 (ducking)
>
> What CD version of "Foxtrot" do you have? I
> seriously wouldn't touch
> the recent high-tech remasters with a bargepole. I
> bought a couple of
> them and unloaded them ASAP. Glad I kept my old
> Genesis CDs. The newer
> super-duper reissues have all been given modern
> mastering and are far
> worse for it IMO. Go back to the vinyl or the first
> US CDS, or even
> the first remaster series from the early/mid 90s.
> You'll find there's
> a whole lot more dynamics there than you're hearing,
> if you have the
> version I suspect you have. YMMV.
> --
> Cheers,
> SDM -- a 21st century schizoid man
> Systems Theory internet music project links:
> official site <www.systemstheory.net>
> MySpace MP3s <www.myspace.com/systemstheory>
> CDBaby <www.cdbaby.com/systemstheory>
> "Soundtracks For Imaginary Movies" CD released Dec
> 2004
> "Codetalkers" CD coming Xmas 2007
> NP: nothing
>

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tronbros@aol.com wrote:

> Listen to Janacek's Taras Bulba and forget about rock.

Sounds like a piece written about his fat girlfriend.

Mike

tronbros@aol.com wrote:

> It's been a slow train coming but having closely scrutinised a lot of
> the 'prog' I have listened to over the years plus a good cross section
> of what is currently on offer, I wonder why I ever bothered with most
> of it.

Most of it is (to my ears) a ham-fisted attempt to steal ideas by people
who can actually write. Some of it is so primitive that it's laughable -
Genesis are a prime example. It's not that they cannot play their
instruments - they obviously can - but they are so /mannered/. The
lyrics don't exactly help either. I still think that my abiding
fondnress for King Crimson lies in the fact that their best work was
always done when the singer simply shut up and let the rest of the band
get on with it.

Mike

tronbros@aol.com wrote:

> And I hate schizophrenic prog that leaps from different styles and
> time signatures without ever developing an idea to some sort of
> fruition.

Oh don't start me on time signatures. There are CLEARLY instances where
bands have written something in 4 or 3 and then quite deliberately
transmogrified it into 7 or 9 just to 'prog it up'. It's musical tokenism.

Mike

Wow....is there actually anyone left who swears by the DX7? I mean, really?

I've used one before - most of its horrid reputation is down to the fact that it's a pig to program and so everyone uses the presets. It's actually a pretty good synth if you ever take the time to get to know it.

Mike



MAinPsych@aol.com wrote:

We all love our Mellotrons, yet others swear by their DX7's. BTW, we're right on that one!

I used to love my DX7 (or rather, TX7, it took up a whole lot less
space & cost less) I got some great sounds on it. Had to use lots of
chorus, of course, but you could say the same about any of the crappy
1-osc polysynths from the early '80's

It always does my head in to see a bunch of people dissing progressive
rock on the MELLOTRON MAIL LIST, wtf. Maybe if I sign up to the TB303
list, it'll be full of people saying "acid house, pff, lame,
rollseyes.gif" and so on.

Prog's signal/noise ratio doesn't seem any less uneven than any other
subgenre of rock to me - better than some, worse than others. It
seems pretty moribund to me right now, and has seemed so for a good
few years now. My wife bought me a box set of 1930's Busby Berkeley
films on DVD for christmas, after listening to the tunes and
arrangements used in the routines on those, most or maybe even all
rock music sounds pretty small-scale, unimaginative, unabitious and
unexceptional by comparison.

On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Wow....is there actually anyone left who swears by the DX7? I mean, really?
>
> I've used one before - most of its horrid reputation is down to the fact
> that it's a pig to program and so everyone uses the presets. It's actually a
> pretty good synth if you ever take the time to get to know it.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
> MAinPsych@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> We all love our Mellotrons, yet others swear by their DX7's. BTW, we're
> right on that one!
>
>
>

Hi-

Maybe that's why I like "Selling England", as my CD
was bought back in '86. Guess I'll also drag out the
vinyl and compare stuff. Thanks.

The most recent remastering that impressed me was
Yes' "Tales from Topographic Oceans" on Rhino. A bit
more dynamics, and a restored opening section to the
1st track. However, Rhino's remastering always sounds
a little grainy to me. The mastering compression of
the 70's is very apparant, though. The bonus tracks
are early run-throughs, and have a lot of dynamics,
well worth the listen.

-Bruce D.

--- Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Yes I have the remastered CD, but I think that's it
> as
> far as Genesis is concerned I'm not spending any
> more
> money on them.
>
> Mark
> --- sdavmor <sdavmor@systemstheory.net> wrote:
>
> > Bruce Daily wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi all-
> > >
> > > Yeah, the title track does wear on you. Almost
> no
> > use of volume
> > > pedal for dynamic effect. And, wasn't the audio
> > compression used in
> > > the early 70's wonderful? It 'bout smashed the
> > overall dynamics
> > > down to nothing. I still like the mix of violins
> > and brass, though
> > > (I know, I just bought the mix). A very distant
> > and sad sound, but
> > > yearning for dynamic swells. I picked up
> "Genesis
> > Live" recently.
> > > The tron on "Watcher" opens with the violins
> more
> > prominent that
> > > the brass, which sounds strange.
> > >
> > > Prog? Gimme "Siberian Khatru", "Topographic
> > Oceans", "Take a
> > > Pebble", "Selling England By the Pound"(the
> > track), "Black Light
> > > Syndrome"(something more recent), and, the
> > original "Quadrophenia".
> > > So there.
> > >
> > > -Bruce D. #1221 (ducking)
> >
> > What CD version of "Foxtrot" do you have? I
> > seriously wouldn't touch
> > the recent high-tech remasters with a bargepole. I
> > bought a couple of
> > them and unloaded them ASAP. Glad I kept my old
> > Genesis CDs. The newer
> > super-duper reissues have all been given modern
> > mastering and are far
> > worse for it IMO. Go back to the vinyl or the
> first
> > US CDS, or even
> > the first remaster series from the early/mid 90s.
> > You'll find there's
> > a whole lot more dynamics there than you're
> hearing,
> > if you have the
> > version I suspect you have. YMMV.
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > SDM -- a 21st century schizoid man
> > Systems Theory internet music project links:
> > official site <www.systemstheory.net>
> > MySpace MP3s <www.myspace.com/systemstheory>
> > CDBaby <www.cdbaby.com/systemstheory>
> > "Soundtracks For Imaginary Movies" CD released Dec
> > 2004
> > "Codetalkers" CD coming Xmas 2007
> > NP: nothing
> >
>
>
>
>
>

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