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Just Curious

Just Curious

2013-06-08 by Mark Pring

What causes that sound  my tron makes from time to time? A short clicking sound.   When reverbed it sounds like a small explosion, it seems to occur at random. I know it's not just my tron as I've heard it at the end of one of Woolly's recordings from the BBC.

Mark

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious

2013-06-08 by tronbros

No idea. Send me a recording and we'll take a listen.....and still have no idea.

Arthur Crap

1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons

mellotronics.com on my iPad




On 8 Jun 2013, at 02:17, Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

What causes that sound  my tron makes from time to time? A short clicking sound.   When reverbed it sounds like a small explosion, it seems to occur at random. I know it's not just my tron as I've heard it at the end of one of Woolly's recordings from the BBC.

Mark

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious

2013-06-08 by Bruce Daily

Arthurized !!
 
 
 
   -Bruce D.
 

From: tronbros <tronbros@aol.com>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious
 
No idea. Send me a recording and we'll take a listen.....and still have no idea.

Arthur Crap
1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons

mellotronics.com on my iPad



On 8 Jun 2013, at 02:17, Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
What causes that sound  my tron makes from time to time? A short clicking sound.   When reverbed it sounds like a small explosion, it seems to occur at random. I know it's not just my tron as I've heard it at the end of one of Woolly's recordings from the BBC.

Mark

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious

2013-06-08 by gino wong

You dont mean a spring boom do you ?  Anything with a reverb spring at volume can sound a lot like an explosion if shaken, kicked or otherwise disturbed.

On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Arthurized !!
 
 
 
   -Bruce D.
 

From: tronbros <tronbros@aol.com>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious
 
No idea. Send me a recording and we'll take a listen.....and still have no idea.

Arthur Crap
1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons

mellotronics.com on my iPad



On 8 Jun 2013, at 02:17, Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
What causes that sound  my tron makes from time to time? A short clicking sound.   When reverbed it sounds like a small explosion, it seems to occur at random. I know it's not just my tron as I've heard it at the end of one of Woolly's recordings from the BBC.

Mark




--

Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE,
ReRED Recording, Analog Sound Design
Audio Mastering, Recording & Restoration, Logistics



Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious

2013-06-09 by Mike Dickson

Banging on the Mk V spring reverb is how I made the cannon sounds in 'Pomp and Circumstance'. :-)

Could it be tape zip?  Sounds more likely.


On 8 June 2013 20:47, gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com> wrote:
 

You dont mean a spring boom do you ?  Anything with a reverb spring at volume can sound a lot like an explosion if shaken, kicked or otherwise disturbed.



On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Arthurized !!
 
 
 
   -Bruce D.
 

From: tronbros <tronbros@aol.com>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious
 
No idea. Send me a recording and we'll take a listen.....and still have no idea.

Arthur Crap
1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons

mellotronics.com on my iPad



On 8 Jun 2013, at 02:17, Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
What causes that sound  my tron makes from time to time? A short clicking sound.   When reverbed it sounds like a small explosion, it seems to occur at random. I know it's not just my tron as I've heard it at the end of one of Woolly's recordings from the BBC.

Mark




--

Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE,
ReRED Recording, Analog Sound Design
Audio Mastering, Recording & Restoration, Logistics






--
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious

2013-06-09 by Mark Pring

What's a tape zip? I think it's probably electrical, seems to be in the signal out rather than an acoustic sound. Doesn't matter if I'm playing or not, just has to be turned on. Cannons in pomp and circumstance, now there's a thought.

Mark

From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 9 June 2013 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious

 
Banging on the Mk V spring reverb is how I made the cannon sounds in 'Pomp and Circumstance'. :-)

Could it be tape zip?  Sounds more likely.


On 8 June 2013 20:47, gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com> wrote:
 
You dont mean a spring boom do you ?  Anything with a reverb spring at volume can sound a lot like an explosion if shaken, kicked or otherwise disturbed.


On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Arthurized !!
 
 
 
   -Bruce D.
 

From: tronbros <tronbros@aol.com>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious
 
No idea. Send me a recording and we'll take a listen.....and still have no idea.

Arthur Crap
1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons

mellotronics.com on my iPad



On 8 Jun 2013, at 02:17, Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
What causes that sound  my tron makes from time to time? A short clicking sound.   When reverbed it sounds like a small explosion, it seems to occur at random. I know it's not just my tron as I've heard it at the end of one of Woolly's recordings from the BBC.

Mark



--

Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE,
ReRED Recording, Analog Sound Design
Audio Mastering, Recording & Restoration, Logistics






--
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh


Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious

2013-06-09 by Fritz Doddy

I use to get static electricity pops on my tron. Took it off carpet, no more pops

Sorry for the brevity as I am replying from a remote region of iPhonekstan.

fritzdoddy

On Jun 9, 2013, at 4:52 AM, Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

What's a tape zip? I think it's probably electrical, seems to be in the signal out rather than an acoustic sound. Doesn't matter if I'm playing or not, just has to be turned on. Cannons in pomp and circumstance, now there's a thought.

Mark

From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 9 June 2013 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious

 
Banging on the Mk V spring reverb is how I made the cannon sounds in 'Pomp and Circumstance'. :-)

Could it be tape zip?  Sounds more likely.


On 8 June 2013 20:47, gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com> wrote:
 
You dont mean a spring boom do you ?  Anything with a reverb spring at volume can sound a lot like an explosion if shaken, kicked or otherwise disturbed.


On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Arthurized !!
 
 
 
   -Bruce D.
 

From: tronbros <tronbros@aol.com>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious
 
No idea. Send me a recording and we'll take a listen.....and still have no idea.

Arthur Crap
1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons

mellotronics.com on my iPad



On 8 Jun 2013, at 02:17, Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
What causes that sound  my tron makes from time to time? A short clicking sound.   When reverbed it sounds like a small explosion, it seems to occur at random. I know it's not just my tron as I've heard it at the end of one of Woolly's recordings from the BBC.

Mark



--

Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE,
ReRED Recording, Analog Sound Design
Audio Mastering, Recording & Restoration, Logistics






--
Mike Dickson, Edinburgh


Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious

2013-06-09 by Bruce Daily

Good point, Fritz.
 
Another possibility is an intermittent ground loop through the track selector switch.  Jerry Korb found a way to get rid of this.  See Ken Leonard's Moneypit session here for a description:
 
Scroll down.  The fix is shown in the 3rd item of the "Korb's Mods" box.  Thanks Ken.
I hope this helps.
 
  -Bruce D.
 
 
From: Fritz Doddy <fdoddy@aol.com>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious
 
I use to get static electricity pops on my tron. Took it off carpet, no more pops Sorry for the brevity as I am replying from a remote region of iPhonekstan.

fritzdoddy
On Jun 9, 2013, at 4:52 AM, Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
What's a tape zip? I think it's probably electrical, seems to be in the signal out rather than an acoustic sound. Doesn't matter if I'm playing or not, just has to be turned on. Cannons in pomp and circumstance, now there's a thought.

Mark

From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 9 June 2013 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious
 
Banging on the Mk V spring reverb is how I made the cannon sounds in 'Pomp and Circumstance'. :-)
Could it be tape zip?  Sounds more likely.
On 8 June 2013 20:47, gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com> wrote:
 
You dont mean a spring boom do you ?  Anything with a reverb spring at volume can sound a lot like an explosion if shaken, kicked or otherwise disturbed.
On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Arthurized !!
 
 
 
   -Bruce D.
 

From: tronbros <tronbros@aol.com>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious
 
No idea. Send me a recording and we'll take a listen.....and still have no idea.

Arthur Crap
1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons

mellotronics.com on my iPad



On 8 Jun 2013, at 02:17, Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
What causes that sound  my tron makes from time to time? A short clicking sound.   When reverbed it sounds like a small explosion, it seems to occur at random. I know it's not just my tron as I've heard it at the end of one of Woolly's recordings from the BBC.

Mark

--

Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE,
ReRED Recording, Analog Sound Design
Audio Mastering, Recording & Restoration, Logistics



-- Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious

2013-06-09 by Mark Pring

Thanks Bruce and Fritz, I think it is probably static build up. The Moneypit site is fascinating, almost makes me afraid to switch #1565 on!

Mark

From: Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 10 June 2013 3:57 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious

 
Good point, Fritz.
 
Another possibility is an intermittent ground loop through the track selector switch.  Jerry Korb found a way to get rid of this.  See Ken Leonard's Moneypit session here for a description:
 
Scroll down.  The fix is shown in the 3rd item of the "Korb's Mods" box.  Thanks Ken.
I hope this helps.
 
  -Bruce D.
 
 
From: Fritz Doddy <fdoddy@aol.com>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious
 
I use to get static electricity pops on my tron. Took it off carpet, no more pops Sorry for the brevity as I am replying from a remote region of iPhonekstan.

fritzdoddy
On Jun 9, 2013, at 4:52 AM, Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
What's a tape zip? I think it's probably electrical, seems to be in the signal out rather than an acoustic sound. Doesn't matter if I'm playing or not, just has to be turned on. Cannons in pomp and circumstance, now there's a thought.

Mark

From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 9 June 2013 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious
 
Banging on the Mk V spring reverb is how I made the cannon sounds in 'Pomp and Circumstance'. :-)
Could it be tape zip?  Sounds more likely.
On 8 June 2013 20:47, gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com> wrote:
 
You dont mean a spring boom do you ?  Anything with a reverb spring at volume can sound a lot like an explosion if shaken, kicked or otherwise disturbed.
On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Arthurized !!
 
 
 
   -Bruce D.
 

From: tronbros <tronbros@aol.com>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious
 
No idea. Send me a recording and we'll take a listen.....and still have no idea.

Arthur Crap
1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons

mellotronics.com on my iPad



On 8 Jun 2013, at 02:17, Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
What causes that sound  my tron makes from time to time? A short clicking sound.   When reverbed it sounds like a small explosion, it seems to occur at random. I know it's not just my tron as I've heard it at the end of one of Woolly's recordings from the BBC.

Mark

--

Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE,
ReRED Recording, Analog Sound Design
Audio Mastering, Recording & Restoration, Logistics



-- Mike Dickson, Edinburgh


Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious

2013-06-09 by tronbros

Static in mellotrons....

In some parts of the world there are still two pin wall sockets being used. This system is where the neutral is also the ground. This is okay for electrical safety BUT it does not drain static. For that you need a proper ground/earth wire from the main frame of the 'tron to a rod in the earth. Unless you have a true ground, problems will ensue. So the rule of thumb is to have a live, neutral AND earth.

Best,

M

1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons

mellotronics.com on my iPad




On 9 Jun 2013, at 20:31, Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Thanks Bruce and Fritz, I think it is probably static build up. The Moneypit site is fascinating, almost makes me afraid to switch #1565 on!

Mark

From: Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 10 June 2013 3:57 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious

 
Good point, Fritz.
 
Another possibility is an intermittent ground loop through the track selector switch.  Jerry Korb found a way to get rid of this.  See Ken Leonard's Moneypit session here for a description:
 
Scroll down.  The fix is shown in the 3rd item of the "Korb's Mods" box.  Thanks Ken.
I hope this helps.
 
  -Bruce D.
 
 
From: Fritz Doddy <fdoddy@aol.com>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious
 
I use to get static electricity pops on my tron. Took it off carpet, no more pops Sorry for the brevity as I am replying from a remote region of iPhonekstan.

fritzdoddy
On Jun 9, 2013, at 4:52 AM, Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
What's a tape zip? I think it's probably electrical, seems to be in the signal out rather than an acoustic sound. Doesn't matter if I'm playing or not, just has to be turned on. Cannons in pomp and circumstance, now there's a thought.

Mark

From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 9 June 2013 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious
 
Banging on the Mk V spring reverb is how I made the cannon sounds in 'Pomp and Circumstance'. :-)
Could it be tape zip?  Sounds more likely.
On 8 June 2013 20:47, gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com> wrote:
 
You dont mean a spring boom do you ?  Anything with a reverb spring at volume can sound a lot like an explosion if shaken, kicked or otherwise disturbed.
On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Arthurized !!
 
 
 
   -Bruce D.
 

From: tronbros <tronbros@aol.com>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious
 
No idea. Send me a recording and we'll take a listen.....and still have no idea.

Arthur Crap
1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons

mellotronics.com on my iPad



On 8 Jun 2013, at 02:17, Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
What causes that sound  my tron makes from time to time? A short clicking sound.   When reverbed it sounds like a small explosion, it seems to occur at random. I know it's not just my tron as I've heard it at the end of one of Woolly's recordings from the BBC.

Mark

--

Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE,
ReRED Recording, Analog Sound Design
Audio Mastering, Recording & Restoration, Logistics



-- Mike Dickson, Edinburgh


Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious

2013-06-09 by Mark Pring

Thanks Martin, we do have 3 pin plugs here. It does sound like some kind of electrical discharge, it only happens 2-3 times per hour so it's not a major problem.

Mark

From: tronbros <tronbros@aol.com>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 10 June 2013 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious

 
Static in mellotrons....

In some parts of the world there are still two pin wall sockets being used. This system is where the neutral is also the ground. This is okay for electrical safety BUT it does not drain static. For that you need a proper ground/earth wire from the main frame of the 'tron to a rod in the earth. Unless you have a true ground, problems will ensue. So the rule of thumb is to have a live, neutral AND earth.

Best,

M

1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons

mellotronics.com on my iPad




On 9 Jun 2013, at 20:31, Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:

 
Thanks Bruce and Fritz, I think it is probably static build up. The Moneypit site is fascinating, almost makes me afraid to switch #1565 on!

Mark

From: Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 10 June 2013 3:57 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious

 
Good point, Fritz.
 
Another possibility is an intermittent ground loop through the track selector switch.  Jerry Korb found a way to get rid of this.  See Ken Leonard's Moneypit session here for a description:
 
Scroll down.  The fix is shown in the 3rd item of the "Korb's Mods" box.  Thanks Ken.
I hope this helps.
 
  -Bruce D.
 
 
From: Fritz Doddy <fdoddy@aol.com>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious
 
I use to get static electricity pops on my tron. Took it off carpet, no more pops Sorry for the brevity as I am replying from a remote region of iPhonekstan.

fritzdoddy
On Jun 9, 2013, at 4:52 AM, Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
What's a tape zip? I think it's probably electrical, seems to be in the signal out rather than an acoustic sound. Doesn't matter if I'm playing or not, just has to be turned on. Cannons in pomp and circumstance, now there's a thought.

Mark

From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 9 June 2013 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious
 
Banging on the Mk V spring reverb is how I made the cannon sounds in 'Pomp and Circumstance'. :-)
Could it be tape zip?  Sounds more likely.
On 8 June 2013 20:47, gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com> wrote:
 
You dont mean a spring boom do you ?  Anything with a reverb spring at volume can sound a lot like an explosion if shaken, kicked or otherwise disturbed.
On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Arthurized !!
 
 
 
   -Bruce D.
 

From: tronbros <tronbros@aol.com>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious
 
No idea. Send me a recording and we'll take a listen.....and still have no idea.

Arthur Crap
1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons

mellotronics.com on my iPad



On 8 Jun 2013, at 02:17, Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
What causes that sound  my tron makes from time to time? A short clicking sound.   When reverbed it sounds like a small explosion, it seems to occur at random. I know it's not just my tron as I've heard it at the end of one of Woolly's recordings from the BBC.

Mark

--

Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE,
ReRED Recording, Analog Sound Design
Audio Mastering, Recording & Restoration, Logistics



-- Mike Dickson, Edinburgh




Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious

2013-06-09 by Nic Lewis

At 21:05 09/06/2013, tronbros wrote:
 
Static in mellotrons....

In some parts of the world there are still two pin wall sockets being used. This system is where the neutral is also the ground. This is okay for electrical safety BUT it does not drain static.

Martin's point here is very important. Additionally, the presence of a third 'earth' or 'ground' pin does not imply the circuit is grounded through anything other than bonding to the neutral conductors. Earth bonding to neutral is OK but relies heavily on the distance/resistance to the point at which the neutral is grounded. I would beg to differ a little bit though - I have come across neutral grounded system where the resistance between neutral/ground to real earth is high enough to be hazardous.

Completely agree about this system not draining static and a good, real ground/earth conductive path is essential to dissipate static.

 For that you need a proper ground/earth wire from the main frame of the 'tron to a rod in the earth. Unless you have a true ground, problems will ensue. So the rule of thumb is to have a live, neutral AND earth.

Yep as above - and that earth should be as low a resistance as possible, which is not always the case where the neutral used for grounding goes to earth miles away from the installation.

Best

Nic

1973 to 2013 - 40 years of not electrocuting anyone.
(apologies to Martin for that)


Best,

M

1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons

mellotronics.com on my iPad




On 9 Jun 2013, at 20:31, Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Thanks Bruce and Fritz, I think it is probably static build up. The Moneypit site is fascinating, almost makes me afraid to switch #1565 on!

Mark


From: Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com>
To: " newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" < newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 10 June 2013 3:57 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious

 
Good point, Fritz.
 
Another possibility is an intermittent ground loop through the track selector switch.  Jerry Korb found a way to get rid of this.  See Ken Leonard's Moneypit session here for a description:
www.kleonard.com/mellotron/vt0206/work.htm
 
Scroll down.  The fix is shown in the 3rd item of the "Korb's Mods" box.  Thanks Ken.
I hope this helps.
 
  -Bruce D.
 
 
From: Fritz Doddy <fdoddy@aol.com>
To: " newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" < newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious
 
I use to get static electricity pops on my tron. Took it off carpet, no more pops Sorry for the brevity as I am replying from a remote region of iPhonekstan.

fritzdoddy
On Jun 9, 2013, at 4:52 AM, Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
What's a tape zip? I think it's probably electrical, seems to be in the signal out rather than an acoustic sound. Doesn't matter if I'm playing or not, just has to be turned on. Cannons in pomp and circumstance, now there's a thought.

Mark

From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com >
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 9 June 2013 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious
 
Banging on the Mk V spring reverb is how I made the cannon sounds in 'Pomp and Circumstance'. :-)
Could it be tape zip?  Sounds more likely.
On 8 June 2013 20:47, gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com> wrote:
 
You dont mean a spring boom do you ?  Anything with a reverb spring at volume can sound a lot like an explosion if shaken, kicked or otherwise disturbed.
On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Arthurized !!
 
 
 
   -Bruce D.
 

From: tronbros <tronbros@aol.com>
To: " newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" < newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious
 
No idea. Send me a recording and we'll take a listen.....and still have no idea.

Arthur Crap
1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons

mellotronics.com on my iPad



On 8 Jun 2013, at 02:17, Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
What causes that sound  my tron makes from time to time? A short clicking sound.   When reverbed it sounds like a small explosion, it seems to occur at random. I know it's not just my tron as I've heard it at the end of one of Woolly's recordings from the BBC.

Mark


--

Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE,
ReRED Recording, Analog Sound Design
Audio Mastering, Recording & Restoration, Logistics

Ginowong@gmail.com


-- Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious

2013-06-09 by tronbros

Tape zip is where the pad is over adjusted because of poor contact with the head and the sound of a played tape returning to the start position. The narrow clearance means the tape kisses the head on the return journey. Cure....correct pad adjustment and maybe replace ancient tapes that have a strong memory of the tape housing configuration!

M

1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons

mellotronics.com on my iPad

On 9 Jun 2013, at 20:31, Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:

> What's a tape zip

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious

2013-06-09 by Mark Pring

Thanks Martin, definitely haven't got that.

From: tronbros <tronbros@aol.com>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 10 June 2013 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious

 
Tape zip is where the pad is over adjusted because of poor contact with the head and the sound of a played tape returning to the start position. The narrow clearance means the tape kisses the head on the return journey. Cure....correct pad adjustment and maybe replace ancient tapes that have a strong memory of the tape housing configuration!

M

1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons

mellotronics.com on my iPad

On 9 Jun 2013, at 20:31, Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:

> What's a tape zip


Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious

2013-06-10 by Bruce Daily

Hi all-
   Ken L. also credits John Bradley with the selector switch fix, and should be mentioned here.  Upon review, the type of noise resulting from the selector is probably lower than the pops you are getting, Mark.
   Static appears to be the issue.  A local ground is good to have.  Martin has a good point that the neutral ground could be miles from your location, and a local earth ground is needed.  Here in the States thieves are stealing whatever copper they can find, including exposed wires they can clip from light poles or houses.  Many local grounds suddenly disappear.  Check 'em.
   Cracked solder joints in the tron's circuits might also be the noise source.  These things can happen after 40 odd years.  Some solder touch-up work may be due.  My power supply needed serious rework.  Are you dangerous with a soldering iron, Mark?
 
  -Bruce D.
 

From: tronbros <tronbros@aol.com>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious
 
Static in mellotrons....

In some parts of the world there are still two pin wall sockets being used. This system is where the neutral is also the ground. This is okay for electrical safety BUT it does not drain static. For that you need a proper ground/earth wire from the main frame of the 'tron to a rod in the earth. Unless you have a true ground, problems will ensue. So the rule of thumb is to have a live, neutral AND earth.

Best,

M
1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons

mellotronics.com on my iPad



On 9 Jun 2013, at 20:31, Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Thanks Bruce and Fritz, I think it is probably static build up. The Moneypit site is fascinating, almost makes me afraid to switch #1565 on!

Mark

From: Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 10 June 2013 3:57 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious
 
Good point, Fritz.
 
Another possibility is an intermittent ground loop through the track selector switch.  Jerry Korb found a way to get rid of this.  See Ken Leonard's Moneypit session here for a description:
 
Scroll down.  The fix is shown in the 3rd item of the "Korb's Mods" box.  Thanks Ken.
I hope this helps.
 
  -Bruce D.
 
 
From: Fritz Doddy <fdoddy@aol.com>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious
 
I use to get static electricity pops on my tron. Took it off carpet, no more pops Sorry for the brevity as I am replying from a remote region of iPhonekstan.

fritzdoddy
On Jun 9, 2013, at 4:52 AM, Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
What's a tape zip? I think it's probably electrical, seems to be in the signal out rather than an acoustic sound. Doesn't matter if I'm playing or not, just has to be turned on. Cannons in pomp and circumstance, now there's a thought.

Mark

From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 9 June 2013 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious
 
Banging on the Mk V spring reverb is how I made the cannon sounds in 'Pomp and Circumstance'. :-)
Could it be tape zip?  Sounds more likely.
On 8 June 2013 20:47, gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com> wrote:
 
You dont mean a spring boom do you ?  Anything with a reverb spring at volume can sound a lot like an explosion if shaken, kicked or otherwise disturbed.
On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Arthurized !!
 
 
 
   -Bruce D.
 

From: tronbros <tronbros@aol.com>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious
 
No idea. Send me a recording and we'll take a listen.....and still have no idea.

Arthur Crap
1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons

mellotronics.com on my iPad



On 8 Jun 2013, at 02:17, Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
What causes that sound  my tron makes from time to time? A short clicking sound.   When reverbed it sounds like a small explosion, it seems to occur at random. I know it's not just my tron as I've heard it at the end of one of Woolly's recordings from the BBC.

Mark

--

Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE,
ReRED Recording, Analog Sound Design
Audio Mastering, Recording & Restoration, Logistics



-- Mike Dickson, Edinburgh

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious

2013-06-11 by Mark Pring


Yes! Thanks Bruce.
From: Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 11 June 2013 1:54 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious

 
 Are you dangerous with a soldering iron, Mark?
 
  -Bruce D.
 

From: tronbros <tronbros@aol.com>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious
 
Static in mellotrons....

In some parts of the world there are still two pin wall sockets being used. This system is where the neutral is also the ground. This is okay for electrical safety BUT it does not drain static. For that you need a proper ground/earth wire from the main frame of the 'tron to a rod in the earth. Unless you have a true ground, problems will ensue. So the rule of thumb is to have a live, neutral AND earth.

Best,

M
1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons

mellotronics.com on my iPad



On 9 Jun 2013, at 20:31, Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Thanks Bruce and Fritz, I think it is probably static build up. The Moneypit site is fascinating, almost makes me afraid to switch #1565 on!

Mark

From: Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 10 June 2013 3:57 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious
 
Good point, Fritz.
 
Another possibility is an intermittent ground loop through the track selector switch.  Jerry Korb found a way to get rid of this.  See Ken Leonard's Moneypit session here for a description:
 
Scroll down.  The fix is shown in the 3rd item of the "Korb's Mods" box.  Thanks Ken.
I hope this helps.
 
  -Bruce D.
 
 
From: Fritz Doddy <fdoddy@aol.com>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious
 
I use to get static electricity pops on my tron. Took it off carpet, no more pops Sorry for the brevity as I am replying from a remote region of iPhonekstan.

fritzdoddy
On Jun 9, 2013, at 4:52 AM, Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
What's a tape zip? I think it's probably electrical, seems to be in the signal out rather than an acoustic sound. Doesn't matter if I'm playing or not, just has to be turned on. Cannons in pomp and circumstance, now there's a thought.

Mark

From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 9 June 2013 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious
 
Banging on the Mk V spring reverb is how I made the cannon sounds in 'Pomp and Circumstance'. :-)
Could it be tape zip?  Sounds more likely.
On 8 June 2013 20:47, gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com> wrote:
 
You dont mean a spring boom do you ?  Anything with a reverb spring at volume can sound a lot like an explosion if shaken, kicked or otherwise disturbed.
On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Arthurized !!
 
 
 
   -Bruce D.
 

From: tronbros <tronbros@aol.com>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Just Curious
 
No idea. Send me a recording and we'll take a listen.....and still have no idea.

Arthur Crap
1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons

mellotronics.com on my iPad



On 8 Jun 2013, at 02:17, Mark Pring <markpringnz@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
What causes that sound  my tron makes from time to time? A short clicking sound.   When reverbed it sounds like a small explosion, it seems to occur at random. I know it's not just my tron as I've heard it at the end of one of Woolly's recordings from the BBC.

Mark

--

Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE,
ReRED Recording, Analog Sound Design
Audio Mastering, Recording & Restoration, Logistics



-- Mike Dickson, Edinburgh