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Another M400 Question

Another M400 Question

2013-03-06 by tron400

Well, not just M400's.

Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't return. I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch roller and pad didn't do it).

I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even after removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the capstan. When I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in between the capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape decided to take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room is pretty dry with forced air heat.

I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like what needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this kind: http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg), but I'm not sure it will work on the capstan. Suggestions?

Bernie

RE: [newmellotrongroup] Another M400 Question

2013-03-06 by John Hammaren

Maybe the old boy is feeling neglected since you got the 4000?

 

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tron400
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 6:54 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Another M400 Question

 

 

Well, not just M400's.

Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't return. I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch roller and pad didn't do it).

I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even after removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the capstan. When I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in between the capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape decided to take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room is pretty dry with forced air heat.

I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like what needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this kind: http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg), but I'm not sure it will work on the capstan. Suggestions?

Bernie

Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-06 by tron400

If anything, I'm playing it more than I ever have. The M4000 is 4 inches taller than an M400, so I have the M400 up on 4 inch blocks, right next to the M4000, at a slight angle so I can play both at the same time.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, John Hammaren <hammaren@...> wrote:
>
> Maybe the old boy is feeling neglected since you got the 4000?
>
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tron400
> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 6:54 AM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Another M400 Question
>
>
>
> Well, not just M400's.
>
> Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't return. I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch roller and pad didn't do it).
>
> I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even after removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the capstan. When I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in between the capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape decided to take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room is pretty dry with forced air heat.
>
> I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like what needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this kind: http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg), but I'm not sure it will work on the capstan. Suggestions?
>
> Bernie
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Another M400 Question

2013-03-06 by lsf5275@aol.com

Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
 
In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, tron400@yahoo.com writes:
 

Well, not just M400's.

Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't return. I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch roller and pad didn't do it).

I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even after removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the capstan. When I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in between the capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape decided to take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room is pretty dry with forced air heat.

I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like what needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this kind: http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg), but I'm not sure it will work on the capstan. Suggestions?

Bernie

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Another M400 Question

2013-03-06 by tronbros

Bernie,

Check the distance between the pinchroller when depressed and the tape storage box lid.  There should only be a very small clearance.

Best,

M

1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons

mellotronics.com on my iPad




On 6 Mar 2013, at 17:08, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:

 

Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
 
In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, tron400@yahoo.com writes:
 

Well, not just M400's.

Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't return. I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch roller and pad didn't do it).

I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even after removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the capstan. When I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in between the capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape decided to take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room is pretty dry with forced air heat.

I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like what needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this kind: http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg), but I'm not sure it will work on the capstan. Suggestions?

Bernie

Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-06 by tron400

Hey Frank, when I do a search on Man-D-Mag, I just get hits on Mad Magazine.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
>
>
> In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> tron400@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Well, not just M400's.
>
> Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm
> across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't return.
> I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch roller
> and pad didn't do it).
>
> I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even after
> removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the capstan. When
> I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in between the
> capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape decided to
> take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room is
> pretty dry with forced air heat.
>
> I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like what
> needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this kind:
> _http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg) ), but I'm not sure it will work on the capstan.
> Suggestions?
>
> Bernie
>

Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-06 by tron400

Thanks Martin. I will take a look tonight.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, tronbros <tronbros@...> wrote:
>
> Bernie,
>
> Check the distance between the pinchroller when depressed and the tape storage box lid. There should only be a very small clearance.
>
> Best,
>
> M
>
> 1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons
>
> mellotronics.com on my iPad
>
>
>
>
> On 6 Mar 2013, at 17:08, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> > Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
> >
> > In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, tron400@... writes:
> >
> > Well, not just M400's.
> >
> > Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't return. I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch roller and pad didn't do it).
> >
> > I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even after removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the capstan. When I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in between the capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape decided to take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room is pretty dry with forced air heat.
> >
> > I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like what needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this kind: http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg), but I'm not sure it will work on the capstan. Suggestions?
> >
> > Bernie
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-06 by tron400

Hi Martin,

It looks to be a little more than 1/16"...maybe 3/32"...hard to measure. Between the pinch roller and the spill box lid on the low G and high F, I can see the tape move up and down as it goes into the spill box. After a couple of seconds, the tape intermittently touches the back edge of the lid and sometimes goes down between the capstan and the felt strip.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, tronbros <tronbros@...> wrote:
>
> Bernie,
>
> Check the distance between the pinchroller when depressed and the tape storage box lid. There should only be a very small clearance.
>
> Best,
>
> M
>
> 1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons
>
> mellotronics.com on my iPad
>
>
>
>
> On 6 Mar 2013, at 17:08, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> > Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
> >
> > In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, tron400@... writes:
> >
> > Well, not just M400's.
> >
> > Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't return. I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch roller and pad didn't do it).
> >
> > I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even after removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the capstan. When I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in between the capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape decided to take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room is pretty dry with forced air heat.
> >
> > I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like what needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this kind: http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg), but I'm not sure it will work on the capstan. Suggestions?
> >
> > Bernie
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-06 by tronbros

Hi Bernie,

Is this old tape or new? If the frame is old and the tapes have been held in position for many years, the memory of the turnbuckle is held in the tape and it tries to regain that shape as soon as it leaves the pinchroller and bunches before it goes into the box.

Best,

M

1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons

mellotronics.com on my iPad




On 6 Mar 2013, at 21:43, "tron400" <tron400@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Hi Martin,

It looks to be a little more than 1/16"...maybe 3/32"...hard to measure. Between the pinch roller and the spill box lid on the low G and high F, I can see the tape move up and down as it goes into the spill box. After a couple of seconds, the tape intermittently touches the back edge of the lid and sometimes goes down between the capstan and the felt strip.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, tronbros wrote:
>
> Bernie,
>
> Check the distance between the pinchroller when depressed and the tape storage box lid. There should only be a very small clearance.
>
> Best,
>
> M
>
> 1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons
>
> mellotronics.com on my iPad
>
>
>
>
> On 6 Mar 2013, at 17:08, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> > Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
> >
> > In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, tron400@... writes:
> >
> > Well, not just M400's.
> >
> > Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't return. I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch roller and pad didn't do it).
> >
> > I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even after removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the capstan. When I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in between the capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape decided to take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room is pretty dry with forced air heat.
> >
> > I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like what needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this kind: http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg), but I'm not sure it will work on the capstan. Suggestions?
> >
> > Bernie
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-06 by tron400

Hi Martin,

It's one of the new frames with the orange back tape (or is it red?). I think it's about a year old. I've been using the frame for the last week or more and it seems to have just started acting up yesterday, although I don't normally press the keys until the tape runs out, so maybe I just never noticed it.

Cheers,
Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, tronbros <tronbros@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Bernie,
>
> Is this old tape or new? If the frame is old and the tapes have been held in position for many years, the memory of the turnbuckle is held in the tape and it tries to regain that shape as soon as it leaves the pinchroller and bunches before it goes into the box.
>
> Best,
>
> M
>
> 1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons
>
> mellotronics.com on my iPad
>
>
>
>
> On 6 Mar 2013, at 21:43, "tron400" <tron400@...> wrote:
>
> > Hi Martin,
> >
> > It looks to be a little more than 1/16"...maybe 3/32"...hard to measure. Between the pinch roller and the spill box lid on the low G and high F, I can see the tape move up and down as it goes into the spill box. After a couple of seconds, the tape intermittently touches the back edge of the lid and sometimes goes down between the capstan and the felt strip.
> >
> > Bernie
> >
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, tronbros wrote:
> > >
> > > Bernie,
> > >
> > > Check the distance between the pinchroller when depressed and the tape storage box lid. There should only be a very small clearance.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > M
> > >
> > > 1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons
> > >
> > > mellotronics.com on my iPad
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6 Mar 2013, at 17:08, lsf5275@ wrote:
> > >
> > > > Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, tron400@ writes:
> > > >
> > > > Well, not just M400's.
> > > >
> > > > Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't return. I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch roller and pad didn't do it).
> > > >
> > > > I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even after removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the capstan. When I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in between the capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape decided to take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room is pretty dry with forced air heat.
> > > >
> > > > I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like what needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this kind: http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg), but I'm not sure it will work on the capstan. Suggestions?
> > > >
> > > > Bernie
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-06 by tronbros

Hi Bernie,

There has to be a reason as that EMI tape drives and behaves beautifully. Send me a few photos  showing the height of the box, the felt against the capstan and the relationship of the pinchroller to the lid. Thanks.

Best,

Martin

1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons

mellotronics.com on my iPad




On 6 Mar 2013, at 22:53, "tron400" <tron400@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Hi Martin,

It's one of the new frames with the orange back tape (or is it red?). I think it's about a year old. I've been using the frame for the last week or more and it seems to have just started acting up yesterday, although I don't normally press the keys until the tape runs out, so maybe I just never noticed it.

Cheers,
Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, tronbros wrote:
>
> Hi Bernie,
>
> Is this old tape or new? If the frame is old and the tapes have been held in position for many years, the memory of the turnbuckle is held in the tape and it tries to regain that shape as soon as it leaves the pinchroller and bunches before it goes into the box.
>
> Best,
>
> M
>
> 1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons
>
> mellotronics.com on my iPad
>
>
>
>
> On 6 Mar 2013, at 21:43, "tron400" wrote:
>
> > Hi Martin,
> >
> > It looks to be a little more than 1/16"...maybe 3/32"...hard to measure. Between the pinch roller and the spill box lid on the low G and high F, I can see the tape move up and down as it goes into the spill box. After a couple of seconds, the tape intermittently touches the back edge of the lid and sometimes goes down between the capstan and the felt strip.
> >
> > Bernie
> >
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, tronbros wrote:
> > >
> > > Bernie,
> > >
> > > Check the distance between the pinchroller when depressed and the tape storage box lid. There should only be a very small clearance.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > M
> > >
> > > 1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons
> > >
> > > mellotronics.com on my iPad
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6 Mar 2013, at 17:08, lsf5275@ wrote:
> > >
> > > > Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, tron400@ writes:
> > > >
> > > > Well, not just M400's.
> > > >
> > > > Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't return. I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch roller and pad didn't do it).
> > > >
> > > > I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even after removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the capstan. When I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in between the capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape decided to take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room is pretty dry with forced air heat.
> > > >
> > > > I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like what needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this kind: http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg), but I'm not sure it will work on the capstan. Suggestions?
> > > >
> > > > Bernie
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-07 by lsf5275@aol.com

Han-d-mag
 
 
Getting a good magnetometer is a good idea. I find mine to be indispensable
 
 
In a message dated 3/6/2013 12:33:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tron400@yahoo.com writes:
 

Hey Frank, when I do a search on Man-D-Mag, I just get hits on Mad Magazine.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
>
>
> In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> tron400@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Well, not just M400's.
>
> Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm
> across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't return.
> I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch roller
> and pad didn't do it).
>
> I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even after
> removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the capstan. When
> I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in between the
> capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape decided to
> take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room is
> pretty dry with forced air heat.
>
> I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like what
> needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this kind:
> _http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg) ), but I'm not sure it will work on the capstan.
> Suggestions?
>
> Bernie
>

Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-08 by tron400

Thanks for those links, Frank.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> Han-d-mag
>
> _http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html)
>
> Getting a good magnetometer is a good idea. I find mine to be indispensable
>
> _http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html)
>
>
> In a message dated 3/6/2013 12:33:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> tron400@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Hey Frank, when I do a search on Man-D-Mag, I just get hits on Mad
> Magazine.
>
> Bernie
>
> --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> >
> > Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > tron400@ writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, not just M400's.
> >
> > Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm
> > across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't
> return.
> > I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch roller
> > and pad didn't do it).
> >
> > I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even after
> > removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the capstan.
> When
> > I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in between the
> > capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape decided
> to
> > take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room is
> > pretty dry with forced air heat.
> >
> > I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like what
> > needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this kind:
> > __http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_)
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg) ) ), but I'm not sure it will work on the
> capstan.
> > Suggestions?
> >
> > Bernie
> >
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-08 by lsf5275@aol.com

Bernie, with a Han-D-Mag you can de-mag a headblock in a minute or two. But that thing is not to be trifled with. It will do all kinds of cool things but can really fuck up your shit. Get your tapes out of the room. Do all the heads at once... Power on... slowly sweep from head to head... move the HCM away and unplug.
 
The magnetometer is the thing. It lets you know for sure if or where you have problems, and it lets you know if you solved them. No guessing.
 
Later you might want to get the Han-D-Mallet... for when nothing else is working right.
 
In a message dated 3/8/2013 11:48:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, tron400@yahoo.com writes:
 

Thanks for those links, Frank.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> Han-d-mag
>
> _http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html)
>
> Getting a good magnetometer is a good idea. I find mine to be indispensable
>
> _http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html)
>
>
> In a message dated 3/6/2013 12:33:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> tron400@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Hey Frank, when I do a search on Man-D-Mag, I just get hits on Mad
> Magazine.
>
> Bernie
>
> --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> >
> > Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > tron400@ writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, not just M400's.
> >
> > Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm
> > across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't
> return.
> > I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch roller
> > and pad didn't do it).
> >
> > I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even after
> > removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the capstan.
> When
> > I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in between the
> > capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape decided
> to
> > take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room is
> > pretty dry with forced air heat.
> >
> > I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like what
> > needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this kind:
> > __http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_)
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg) ) ), but I'm not sure it will work on the
> capstan.
> > Suggestions?
> >
> > Bernie
> >
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-08 by John Wright

Or, one's spouse can help with the Han-D-Job......

On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 4:28 PM, <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:


Bernie, with a Han-D-Mag you can de-mag a headblock in a minute or two. But that thing is not to be trifled with. It will do all kinds of cool things but can really fuck up your shit. Get your tapes out of the room. Do all the heads at once... Power on... slowly sweep from head to head... move the HCM away and unplug.
 
The magnetometer is the thing. It lets you know for sure if or where you have problems, and it lets you know if you solved them. No guessing.
 
Later you might want to get the Han-D-Mallet... for when nothing else is working right.
 
In a message dated 3/8/2013 11:48:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, tron400@yahoo.com writes:
 

Thanks for those links, Frank.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> Han-d-mag
>
> _http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html)
>
> Getting a good magnetometer is a good idea. I find mine to be indispensable
>
> _http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html)
>
>
> In a message dated 3/6/2013 12:33:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> tron400@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Hey Frank, when I do a search on Man-D-Mag, I just get hits on Mad
> Magazine.
>
> Bernie
>
> --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> >
> > Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > tron400@ writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, not just M400's.
> >
> > Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm
> > across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't
> return.
> > I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch roller
> > and pad didn't do it).
> >
> > I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even after
> > removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the capstan.
> When
> > I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in between the
> > capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape decided
> to
> > take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room is
> > pretty dry with forced air heat.
> >
> > I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like what
> > needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this kind:
> > __http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_)
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg) ) ), but I'm not sure it will work on the
> capstan.
> > Suggestions?
> >
> > Bernie
> >
>




Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-09 by Jay Shirley

Frank.

Can you recommend a magnetometer?

This is the only one I can find.

Thank you.
js
M400 #215


On Mar 8, 2013, at 4:28 PM, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:

 

Bernie, with a Han-D-Mag you can de-mag a headblock in a minute or two. But that thing is not to be trifled with. It will do all kinds of cool things but can really fuck up your shit. Get your tapes out of the room. Do all the heads at once... Power on... slowly sweep from head to head... move the HCM away and unplug.
 
The magnetometer is the thing. It lets you know for sure if or where you have problems, and it lets you know if you solved them. No guessing.
 
Later you might want to get the Han-D-Mallet... for when nothing else is working right.
 
In a message dated 3/8/2013 11:48:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, tron400@yahoo.com writes:
 

Thanks for those links, Frank.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> Han-d-mag
>
> _http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html)
>
> Getting a good magnetometer is a good idea. I find mine to be indispensable
>
> _http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html)
>
>
> In a message dated 3/6/2013 12:33:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> tron400@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Hey Frank, when I do a search on Man-D-Mag, I just get hits on Mad
> Magazine.
>
> Bernie
>
> --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> >
> > Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > tron400@ writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, not just M400's.
> >
> > Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm
> > across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't
> return.
> > I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch roller
> > and pad didn't do it).
> >
> > I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even after
> > removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the capstan.
> When
> > I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in between the
> > capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape decided
> to
> > take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room is
> > pretty dry with forced air heat.
> >
> > I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like what
> > needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this kind:
> > __http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_)
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg) ) ), but I'm not sure it will work on the
> capstan.
> > Suggestions?
> >
> > Bernie
> >
>



Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-09 by tron400

So it's probably not safe for general use on a cycling machine or a pacemaker?

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> Bernie, with a Han-D-Mag you can de-mag a headblock in a minute or two. But
> that thing is not to be trifled with. It will do all kinds of cool things
> but can really fuck up your shit. Get your tapes out of the room. Do all
> the heads at once... Power on... slowly sweep from head to head... move the
> HCM away and unplug.
>
> The magnetometer is the thing. It lets you know for sure if or where you
> have problems, and it lets you know if you solved them. No guessing.
>
> Later you might want to get the Han-D-Mallet... for when nothing else is
> working right.
>
>
> In a message dated 3/8/2013 11:48:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> tron400@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for those links, Frank.
>
> Bernie
>
> --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> >
> > Han-d-mag
> >
> > __http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_)
> > (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html) )
> >
> > Getting a good magnetometer is a good idea. I find mine to be
> indispensable
> >
> > __http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_)
> > (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html) )
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 3/6/2013 12:33:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > tron400@ writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hey Frank, when I do a search on Man-D-Mag, I just get hits on Mad
> > Magazine.
> >
> > Bernie
> >
> > --- In __newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _
> > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > tron400@ writes:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, not just M400's.
> > >
> > > Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm
> > > across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't
> > return.
> > > I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch
> roller
> > > and pad didn't do it).
> > >
> > > I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even
> after
> > > removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the
> capstan.
> > When
> > > I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in between
> the
> > > capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape
> decided
> > to
> > > take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room
> is
> > > pretty dry with forced air heat.
> > >
> > > I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like
> what
> > > needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this
> kind:
> > > ___http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__)
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_) )
> > > (__http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_)
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg) ) ) ), but I'm not sure it will work on the
> > capstan.
> > > Suggestions?
> > >
> > > Bernie
> > >
> >
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-09 by lsf5275@aol.com

R.B. Annis makes nice ones... But here's something you might want to read and then do some follow up research on the subject. This might also be a good discussion for this forum. I have some insight...
 
 
I did not write this, but my research indicates that there is a lot of support for this....
 
"First, what I'm about to write will be viewed by many as controversial, by others as wrong, by still others as hopefully insightful. But I have no doubt that, because what I'll say flies in the face of "common wisdom", "standard practices" and even many maintenance manuals, there will be those that just ignore all of this. That's fine, do what makes you feel good, but there is at least some science behind my statements below.

Several decades ago I did some in-depth research into the effectiveness, and necessity of demagnetizing recorder parts as part of routine maintenance. I won't bore with details, but part of the research involved renting a lab-grade hall-effect probe gaussmeter in order to measure DC magnetic fields, analyzing their effect on the recording process, and their effect on pre-recorded test signals. In addition to the gaussmeter, a swept spectrum analyzer was used, as was a low distortion sine generator, and several strong permanent magnets as DC field sources.

In short, what I found is this:

1. Operating a tape recorder does not cause anything in the tape path to become magnetized. Not even a tiny bit.
2. All parts including heads have made from materials with a natural neutral magnetic state, to which they tend to return even if deliberately magnetized.
3. The magnetic flux required to affect a recorded tape is much higher than anything anywhere around the tape recorder, except in the erase and record head gaps. The effect of a steady-state magnetic field (a DC field) on recorded tape is first noticed as partial erasure of high frequencies, and that occurred with a field somewhere above 200 Gauss. Tape has very high coercivity by design, meaning you need a high field strength to cross the threshold above which the tape will become magnetized. That's what the bias oscillator does. By being many times hotter than the actual audio signal on the head, the bias forces the signal over the coercivity threshold into the more "linear" range of the tape. But that means it's harder to erase tape than you might think. Typical guide and head residuals were in the zero to 20 gauss range, far below tape coercivity levels.

4. Erase and record heads are self-demagnetized by the bias oscillator, which provides an AC field in the gap that is thousands of times higher than what a de-magnetizer can induce.

5. The field found on recorded tape is incapable of magnetizing anything. It is minuscule, and when the tape moves, it becomes an AC field, which would demagnetize if it had any effect.

6. The effect of a DC field near or in a record head produces two measurable results: First, a significant elevation of even-order harmonic distortion, and second, an elevation in low frequency noise (a sort of gravelly sounding noise). But again, the field has to be fairly high for this to happen. You need a spectrum analyzer to differentiate even harmonics from the normal odd harmonics created in the recording process.

7. If tape machine parts become magnetized, there is a defect in manufacture (the material doesn't have a natural, neutral magnetic state), or a defect in the tape machine, either due to a failure or design flaw. Asymmetrical bias waveforms will present a DC component, any DC on a head due to a circuit defect (bad blocking cap, for example). Demagnetizing may temporarily remove the residual, but if it creeps back, something is "broken", and needs repair or replacement.

8. Lastly, casual use of a demagnetizing device, even if the classic proper techniques are observed (slow removal, switching of when several feet away), sometimes resulted in an increased magnetic state rather than a decrease. There's no way to tell if you are demagnetizing, or magnetizing, without further testing for the effects of magnetism. Once again, these are HF erasure of a recorded tape, or increase in noise and even-order harmonic distortion during record. Yes, you need instrumentation to do this.

During the research, I also found that attempts to deliberately magnetize a tape head with a strong permanent magnet were successful, but over time, the head returned to a neutral state by itself. It took 24 to 48 hours, but then all the effects of magnetism vanished. The same was true of guide parts, though some could not be magnetized being non-ferrous.

In summary, routine demagnetization is unnecessary, and could actually make things worse. If you plan to demagnetize, you also need to be able to measure the effects of residual magnetism to see if you've made it better or worse, or if it was needed at all.

Have fun,

Jim
 
 
In a message dated 3/8/2013 7:09:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mellotronex@earthlink.net writes:
 

Frank.


Can you recommend a magnetometer?

This is the only one I can find.

Thank you.
js
M400 #215


On Mar 8, 2013, at 4:28 PM, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:

 

Bernie, with a Han-D-Mag you can de-mag a headblock in a minute or two. But that thing is not to be trifled with. It will do all kinds of cool things but can really fuck up your shit. Get your tapes out of the room. Do all the heads at once... Power on... slowly sweep from head to head... move the HCM away and unplug.
 
The magnetometer is the thing. It lets you know for sure if or where you have problems, and it lets you know if you solved them. No guessing.
 
Later you might want to get the Han-D-Mallet... for when nothing else is working right.
 
In a message dated 3/8/2013 11:48:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, tron400@yahoo.com writes:
 

Thanks for those links, Frank.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> Han-d-mag
>
> _http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html)
>
> Getting a good magnetometer is a good idea. I find mine to be indispensable
>
> _http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html)
>
>
> In a message dated 3/6/2013 12:33:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> tron400@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Hey Frank, when I do a search on Man-D-Mag, I just get hits on Mad
> Magazine.
>
> Bernie
>
> --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> >
> > Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > tron400@ writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, not just M400's.
> >
> > Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm
> > across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't
> return.
> > I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch roller
> > and pad didn't do it).
> >
> > I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even after
> > removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the capstan.
> When
> > I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in between the
> > capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape decided
> to
> > take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room is
> > pretty dry with forced air heat.
> >
> > I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like what
> > needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this kind:
> > __http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_)
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg) ) ), but I'm not sure it will work on the
> capstan.
> > Suggestions?
> >
> > Bernie
> >
>



Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-09 by Sean

How are the cycling Mellys demagnetized anyway?

-Sean

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tron400" <tron400@...> wrote:
>
> So it's probably not safe for general use on a cycling machine or a pacemaker?
>
> Bernie
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@ wrote:
> >
> > Bernie, with a Han-D-Mag you can de-mag a headblock in a minute or two. But
> > that thing is not to be trifled with. It will do all kinds of cool things
> > but can really fuck up your shit. Get your tapes out of the room. Do all
> > the heads at once... Power on... slowly sweep from head to head... move the
> > HCM away and unplug.
> >
> > The magnetometer is the thing. It lets you know for sure if or where you
> > have problems, and it lets you know if you solved them. No guessing.
> >
> > Later you might want to get the Han-D-Mallet... for when nothing else is
> > working right.
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 3/8/2013 11:48:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > tron400@ writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for those links, Frank.
> >
> > Bernie
> >
> > --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> > (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Han-d-mag
> > >
> > > __http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__
> > (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_)
> > > (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_
> > (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html) )
> > >
> > > Getting a good magnetometer is a good idea. I find mine to be
> > indispensable
> > >
> > > __http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__
> > (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_)
> > > (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_
> > (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html) )
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 3/6/2013 12:33:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > tron400@ writes:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey Frank, when I do a search on Man-D-Mag, I just get hits on Mad
> > > Magazine.
> > >
> > > Bernie
> > >
> > > --- In __newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _
> > > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> > (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > > tron400@ writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, not just M400's.
> > > >
> > > > Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm
> > > > across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't
> > > return.
> > > > I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch
> > roller
> > > > and pad didn't do it).
> > > >
> > > > I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even
> > after
> > > > removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the
> > capstan.
> > > When
> > > > I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in between
> > the
> > > > capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape
> > decided
> > > to
> > > > take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room
> > is
> > > > pretty dry with forced air heat.
> > > >
> > > > I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like
> > what
> > > > needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this
> > kind:
> > > > ___http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___
> > (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__)
> > > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__
> > (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_) )
> > > > (__http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__
> > (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_)
> > > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_
> > (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg) ) ) ), but I'm not sure it will work on the
> > > capstan.
> > > > Suggestions?
> > > >
> > > > Bernie
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-09 by lsf5275@aol.com

Han-D-Magic
 
In a message dated 3/9/2013 1:59:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fourtytwominds@yahoo.com writes:
 

How are the cycling Mellys demagnetized anyway?

-Sean

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tron400" <tron400@...> wrote:
>
> So it's probably not safe for general use on a cycling machine or a pacemaker?
>
> Bernie
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@ wrote:
> >
> > Bernie, with a Han-D-Mag you can de-mag a headblock in a minute or two. But
> > that thing is not to be trifled with. It will do all kinds of cool things
> > but can really fuck up your shit. Get your tapes out of the room. Do all
> > the heads at once... Power on... slowly sweep from head to head... move the
> > HCM away and unplug.
> >
> > The magnetometer is the thing. It lets you know for sure if or where you
> > have problems, and it lets you know if you solved them. No guessing.
> >
> > Later you might want to get the Han-D-Mallet... for when nothing else is
> > working right.
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 3/8/2013 11:48:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > tron400@ writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for those links, Frank.
> >
> > Bernie
> >
> > --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> > (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Han-d-mag
> > >
> > > __http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__
> > (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_)
> > > (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_
> > (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html) )
> > >
> > > Getting a good magnetometer is a good idea. I find mine to be
> > indispensable
> > >
> > > __http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__
> > (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_)
> > > (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_
> > (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html) )
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 3/6/2013 12:33:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > tron400@ writes:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey Frank, when I do a search on Man-D-Mag, I just get hits on Mad
> > > Magazine.
> > >
> > > Bernie
> > >
> > > --- In __newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _
> > > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> > (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > > tron400@ writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, not just M400's.
> > > >
> > > > Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm
> > > > across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't
> > > return.
> > > > I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch
> > roller
> > > > and pad didn't do it).
> > > >
> > > > I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even
> > after
> > > > removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the
> > capstan.
> > > When
> > > > I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in between
> > the
> > > > capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape
> > decided
> > > to
> > > > take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room
> > is
> > > > pretty dry with forced air heat.
> > > >
> > > > I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like
> > what
> > > > needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this
> > kind:
> > > > ___http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___
> > (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__)
> > > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__
> > (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_) )
> > > > (__http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__
> > (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_)
> > > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_
> > (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg) ) ) ), but I'm not sure it will work on the
> > > capstan.
> > > > Suggestions?
> > > >
> > > > Bernie
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-09 by tronbros

We have never demagged the prototype M4000 in 5 years. It gets turned on daily and the tapes are as fresh as the day we installed them. Demagging is not something you have to do in years unless you unplug the headblock and forget to shortout the audio box socket or have some major malfunction. DON'T PANIC!

M

1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons

mellotronics.com on my iPad




On 9 Mar 2013, at 19:43, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:

 

Han-D-Magic
 
In a message dated 3/9/2013 1:59:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fourtytwominds@yahoo.com writes:
 

How are the cycling Mellys demagnetized anyway?

-Sean

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tron400" <tron400@...> wrote:
>
> So it's probably not safe for general use on a cycling machine or a pacemaker?
>
> Bernie
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@ wrote:
> >
> > Bernie, with a Han-D-Mag you can de-mag a headblock in a minute or two. But
> > that thing is not to be trifled with. It will do all kinds of cool things
> > but can really fuck up your shit. Get your tapes out of the room. Do all
> > the heads at once... Power on... slowly sweep from head to head... move the
> > HCM away and unplug.
> >
> > The magnetometer is the thing. It lets you know for sure if or where you
> > have problems, and it lets you know if you solved them. No guessing.
> >
> > Later you might want to get the Han-D-Mallet... for when nothing else is
> > working right.
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 3/8/2013 11:48:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > tron400@ writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for those links, Frank.
> >
> > Bernie
> >
> > --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> > (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Han-d-mag
> > >
> > > __http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__
> > (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_)
> > > (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_
> > (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html) )
> > >
> > > Getting a good magnetometer is a good idea. I find mine to be
> > indispensable
> > >
> > > __http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__
> > (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_)
> > > (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_
> > (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html) )
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 3/6/2013 12:33:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > tron400@ writes:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey Frank, when I do a search on Man-D-Mag, I just get hits on Mad
> > > Magazine.
> > >
> > > Bernie
> > >
> > > --- In __newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _
> > > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> > (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > > tron400@ writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, not just M400's.
> > > >
> > > > Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm
> > > > across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't
> > > return.
> > > > I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch
> > roller
> > > > and pad didn't do it).
> > > >
> > > > I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even
> > after
> > > > removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the
> > capstan.
> > > When
> > > > I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in between
> > the
> > > > capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape
> > decided
> > > to
> > > > take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room
> > is
> > > > pretty dry with forced air heat.
> > > >
> > > > I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like
> > what
> > > > needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this
> > kind:
> > > > ___http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___
> > (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__)
> > > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__
> > (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_) )
> > > > (__http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__
> > (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_)
> > > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_
> > (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg) ) ) ), but I'm not sure it will work on the
> > > capstan.
> > > > Suggestions?
> > > >
> > > > Bernie
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-09 by john barrick

When I bought my Han-D-Mag, it came with a gauss meter.  Good stuff.

On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 2:32 PM, tronbros <tronbros@aol.com> wrote:
 

We have never demagged the prototype M4000 in 5 years. It gets turned on daily and the tapes are as fresh as the day we installed them. Demagging is not something you have to do in years unless you unplug the headblock and forget to shortout the audio box socket or have some major malfunction. DON'T PANIC!

M

1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons

mellotronics.com on my iPad




On 9 Mar 2013, at 19:43, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:

 

Han-D-Magic
 

--
john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-09 by Tony

Hi gang,
 
On the demagnetize subject, I’ve had #510 since 1975 and can count the times I’ve demagnetized it on one hand.
These devices (degassers) can cause more problems than they solve, so be careful!
Don’t love them to death.
 
Tony #510 and #029
 
Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Another M400 Question
 
 

When I bought my Han-D-Mag, it came with a gauss meter.  Good stuff.

On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 2:32 PM, tronbros <tronbros@aol.com> wrote:
 
We have never demagged the prototype M4000 in 5 years. It gets turned on daily and the tapes are as fresh as the day we installed them. Demagging is not something you have to do in years unless you unplug the headblock and forget to shortout the audio box socket or have some major malfunction. DON'T PANIC!
 
M

1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons
 
mellotronics.com on my iPad
 
 
 

On 9 Mar 2013, at 19:43, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:

 

Han-D-Magic
 

--
john barrick
 
*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*

Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-10 by tron400

What causes the magnetization anyway? Is it static electricity from the tapes? Wouldn't it dissipate over time?

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "Tony" <atm655@...> wrote:
>
> Hi gang,
>
> On the demagnetize subject, I’ve had #510 since 1975 and can count the times I’ve demagnetized it on one hand.
> These devices (degassers) can cause more problems than they solve, so be careful!
> Don’t love them to death.
>
> Tony #510 and #029
>
> From: john barrick
> Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 6:41 PM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Another M400 Question
>
>
> When I bought my Han-D-Mag, it came with a gauss meter. Good stuff.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 2:32 PM, tronbros <tronbros@...> wrote:
>
>
> We have never demagged the prototype M4000 in 5 years. It gets turned on daily and the tapes are as fresh as the day we installed them. Demagging is not something you have to do in years unless you unplug the headblock and forget to shortout the audio box socket or have some major malfunction. DON'T PANIC!
>
> M
>
>
> 1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons
>
> mellotronics.com on my iPad
>
>
>
>
> On 9 Mar 2013, at 19:43, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Han-D-Magic
>
>
>
> --
>
> john barrick
>
> *Leo got it right the first time*
> *then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-10 by lsf5275@aol.com

You said it!
 
In a message dated 3/9/2013 4:32:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tronbros@aol.com writes:
 

We have never demagged the prototype M4000 in 5 years. It gets turned on daily and the tapes are as fresh as the day we installed them. Demagging is not something you have to do in years unless you unplug the headblock and forget to shortout the audio box socket or have some major malfunction. DON'T PANIC!

M

1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons

mellotronics.com on my iPad




On 9 Mar 2013, at 19:43, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:

 

Han-D-Magic
 
In a message dated 3/9/2013 1:59:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fourtytwominds@yahoo.com writes:
 

How are the cycling Mellys demagnetized anyway?

-Sean

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tron400" <tron400@...> wrote:
>
> So it's probably not safe for general use on a cycling machine or a pacemaker?
>
> Bernie
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@ wrote:
> >
> > Bernie, with a Han-D-Mag you can de-mag a headblock in a minute or two. But
> > that thing is not to be trifled with. It will do all kinds of cool things
> > but can really fuck up your shit. Get your tapes out of the room. Do all
> > the heads at once... Power on... slowly sweep from head to head... move the
> > HCM away and unplug.
> >
> > The magnetometer is the thing. It lets you know for sure if or where you
> > have problems, and it lets you know if you solved them. No guessing.
> >
> > Later you might want to get the Han-D-Mallet... for when nothing else is
> > working right.
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 3/8/2013 11:48:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > tron400@ writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for those links, Frank.
> >
> > Bernie
> >
> > --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> > (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Han-d-mag
> > >
> > > __http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__
> > (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_)
> > > (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_
> > (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html) )
> > >
> > > Getting a good magnetometer is a good idea. I find mine to be
> > indispensable
> > >
> > > __http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__
> > (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_)
> > > (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_
> > (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html) )
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 3/6/2013 12:33:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > tron400@ writes:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey Frank, when I do a search on Man-D-Mag, I just get hits on Mad
> > > Magazine.
> > >
> > > Bernie
> > >
> > > --- In __newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _
> > > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> > (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > > tron400@ writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, not just M400's.
> > > >
> > > > Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm
> > > > across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't
> > > return.
> > > > I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch
> > roller
> > > > and pad didn't do it).
> > > >
> > > > I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even
> > after
> > > > removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the
> > capstan.
> > > When
> > > > I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in between
> > the
> > > > capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape
> > decided
> > > to
> > > > take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room
> > is
> > > > pretty dry with forced air heat.
> > > >
> > > > I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like
> > what
> > > > needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this
> > kind:
> > > > ___http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___
> > (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__)
> > > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__
> > (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_) )
> > > > (__http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__
> > (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_)
> > > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_
> > (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg) ) ) ), but I'm not sure it will work on the
> > > capstan.
> > > > Suggestions?
> > > >
> > > > Bernie
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-11 by tron400

I'm beginning to think that the backs of the tapes that were bunching up in my M4oo are dirty. I hadn't cleaned the pinch rollers since I installed them a couple of years ago and I've been using the same frame for several weeks. It looks like the backs of the tapes were sticking to the pinch rollers. After cleaning the pinch rollers, heads and capstan, the tapes were still bunching up, so I tried a different frame. No bunching at all. Do tapes need to be cleaned every so often? What do you use to clean them?

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> You said it!
>
>
> In a message dated 3/9/2013 4:32:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> tronbros@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> We have never demagged the prototype M4000 in 5 years. It gets turned on
> daily and the tapes are as fresh as the day we installed them. Demagging is
> not something you have to do in years unless you unplug the headblock and
> forget to shortout the audio box socket or have some major malfunction. DON'T
> PANIC!
>
>
> M
>
> 1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons
>
>
> _mellotronics.com_ (http://mellotronics.com/) on my iPad
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 9 Mar 2013, at 19:43, _lsf5275@..._ (mailto:lsf5275@...) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Han-D-Magic
>
>
> In a message dated 3/9/2013 1:59:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> _fourtytwominds@..._ (mailto:fourtytwominds@...) writes:
>
>
> How are the cycling Mellys demagnetized anyway?
>
> -Sean
>
> --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) , "tron400" <tron400@> wrote:
> >
> > So it's probably not safe for general use on a cycling machine or a
> pacemaker?
> >
> > Bernie
> >
> > --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Bernie, with a Han-D-Mag you can de-mag a headblock in a minute or
> two. But
> > > that thing is not to be trifled with. It will do all kinds of cool
> things
> > > but can really fuck up your shit. Get your tapes out of the room. Do
> all
> > > the heads at once... Power on... slowly sweep from head to head...
> move the
> > > HCM away and unplug.
> > >
> > > The magnetometer is the thing. It lets you know for sure if or where
> you
> > > have problems, and it lets you know if you solved them. No guessing.
> > >
> > > Later you might want to get the Han-D-Mallet... for when nothing else
> is
> > > working right.
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 3/8/2013 11:48:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > tron400@ writes:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for those links, Frank.
> > >
> > > Bernie
> > >
> > > --- In __newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _
> > > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Han-d-mag
> > > >
> > > > ___http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html___
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__)
> > > (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_) )
> > > > (__http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_)
> > > (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html) ) )
> > > >
> > > > Getting a good magnetometer is a good idea. I find mine to be
> > > indispensable
> > > >
> > > > ___http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html___
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__)
> > > (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_) )
> > > > (__http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_)
> > > (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html) ) )
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 3/6/2013 12:33:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > > tron400@ writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hey Frank, when I do a search on Man-D-Mag, I just get hits on Mad
> > > > Magazine.
> > > >
> > > > Bernie
> > > >
> > > > --- In ___newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _
> > > (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ) _
> > > > (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _
> > > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ) ) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > > > tron400@ writes:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, not just M400's.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did the
> arm
> > > > > across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them
> didn't
> > > > return.
> > > > > I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch
> > > roller
> > > > > and pad didn't do it).
> > > > >
> > > > > I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even
> > > after
> > > > > removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the
> > > capstan.
> > > > When
> > > > > I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in
> between
> > > the
> > > > > capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape
> > > decided
> > > > to
> > > > > take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The
> room
> > > is
> > > > > pretty dry with forced air heat.
> > > > >
> > > > > I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like
>
> > > what
> > > > > needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this
> > > kind:
> > > > > ____http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg____
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___)
> > > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__) )
> > > > (__http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__)
> > > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_) ) )
> > > > > (___http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__)
> > > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_) )
> > > > (__http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_)
> > > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg) ) ) ) ), but I'm not sure it will work on the
> > > > capstan.
> > > > > Suggestions?
> > > > >
> > > > > Bernie
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-11 by lsf5275@aol.com

Water. Maybe with a spot of dishwashing liquid, but keep it super-mild. It is, after all, only dust. I think it is more likely static build-up. Try removing the frames between uses.
 
Frank
 
PS. If you want those tapes really clean, use alcohol. Keep rubbing until all the oxide comes off.
 
In a message dated 3/11/2013 10:49:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tron400@yahoo.com writes:
 

I'm beginning to think that the backs of the tapes that were bunching up in my M4oo are dirty. I hadn't cleaned the pinch rollers since I installed them a couple of years ago and I've been using the same frame for several weeks. It looks like the backs of the tapes were sticking to the pinch rollers. After cleaning the pinch rollers, heads and capstan, the tapes were still bunching up, so I tried a different frame. No bunching at all. Do tapes need to be cleaned every so often? What do you use to clean them?

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> You said it!
>
>
> In a message dated 3/9/2013 4:32:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> tronbros@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> We have never demagged the prototype M4000 in 5 years. It gets turned on
> daily and the tapes are as fresh as the day we installed them. Demagging is
> not something you have to do in years unless you unplug the headblock and
> forget to shortout the audio box socket or have some major malfunction. DON'T
> PANIC!
>
>
> M
>
> 1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons
>
>
> _mellotronics.com_ (http://mellotronics.com/) on my iPad
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 9 Mar 2013, at 19:43, _lsf5275@..._ (mailto:lsf5275@...) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Han-D-Magic
>
>
> In a message dated 3/9/2013 1:59:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> _fourtytwominds@..._ (mailto:fourtytwominds@...) writes:
>
>
> How are the cycling Mellys demagnetized anyway?
>
> -Sean
>
> --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) , "tron400" <tron400@> wrote:
> >
> > So it's probably not safe for general use on a cycling machine or a
> pacemaker?
> >
> > Bernie
> >
> > --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Bernie, with a Han-D-Mag you can de-mag a headblock in a minute or
> two. But
> > > that thing is not to be trifled with. It will do all kinds of cool
> things
> > > but can really fuck up your shit. Get your tapes out of the room. Do
> all
> > > the heads at once... Power on... slowly sweep from head to head...
> move the
> > > HCM away and unplug.
> > >
> > > The magnetometer is the thing. It lets you know for sure if or where
> you
> > > have problems, and it lets you know if you solved them. No guessing.
> > >
> > > Later you might want to get the Han-D-Mallet... for when nothing else
> is
> > > working right.
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 3/8/2013 11:48:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > tron400@ writes:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for those links, Frank.
> > >
> > > Bernie
> > >
> > > --- In __newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _
> > > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Han-d-mag
> > > >
> > > > ___http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html___
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__)
> > > (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_) )
> > > > (__http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_)
> > > (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html) ) )
> > > >
> > > > Getting a good magnetometer is a good idea. I find mine to be
> > > indispensable
> > > >
> > > > ___http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html___
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__)
> > > (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_) )
> > > > (__http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_)
> > > (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html) ) )
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 3/6/2013 12:33:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > > tron400@ writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hey Frank, when I do a search on Man-D-Mag, I just get hits on Mad
> > > > Magazine.
> > > >
> > > > Bernie
> > > >
> > > > --- In ___newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _
> > > (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ) _
> > > > (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _
> > > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ) ) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > > > tron400@ writes:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, not just M400's.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did the
> arm
> > > > > across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them
> didn't
> > > > return.
> > > > > I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch
> > > roller
> > > > > and pad didn't do it).
> > > > >
> > > > > I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even
> > > after
> > > > > removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the
> > > capstan.
> > > > When
> > > > > I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in
> between
> > > the
> > > > > capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape
> > > decided
> > > > to
> > > > > take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The
> room
> > > is
> > > > > pretty dry with forced air heat.
> > > > >
> > > > > I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like
>
> > > what
> > > > > needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this
> > > kind:
> > > > > ____http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg____
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___)
> > > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__) )
> > > > (__http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__)
> > > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_) ) )
> > > > > (___http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__)
> > > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_) )
> > > > (__http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_)
> > > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg) ) ) ) ), but I'm not sure it will work on the
> > > > capstan.
> > > > > Suggestions?
> > > > >
> > > > > Bernie
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-11 by tron400

So I shouldn't take them to the dry cleaners?

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> Water. Maybe with a spot of dishwashing liquid, but keep it super-mild. It
> is, after all, only dust. I think it is more likely static build-up. Try
> removing the frames between uses.
>
> Frank
>
> PS. If you want those tapes really clean, use alcohol. Keep rubbing until
> all the oxide comes off.
>
>
> In a message dated 3/11/2013 10:49:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> tron400@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> I'm beginning to think that the backs of the tapes that were bunching up in
> my M4oo are dirty. I hadn't cleaned the pinch rollers since I installed
> them a couple of years ago and I've been using the same frame for several
> weeks. It looks like the backs of the tapes were sticking to the pinch
> rollers. After cleaning the pinch rollers, heads and capstan, the tapes were still
> bunching up, so I tried a different frame. No bunching at all. Do tapes
> need to be cleaned every so often? What do you use to clean them?
>
> Bernie
>
> --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> >
> > You said it!
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 3/9/2013 4:32:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > tronbros@ writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > We have never demagged the prototype M4000 in 5 years. It gets turned on
> > daily and the tapes are as fresh as the day we installed them. Demagging
> is
> > not something you have to do in years unless you unplug the headblock
> and
> > forget to shortout the audio box socket or have some major malfunction.
> DON'T
> > PANIC!
> >
> >
> > M
> >
> > 1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons
> >
> >
> > _mellotronics.com_ (_http://mellotronics.com/_ (http://mellotronics.com/)
> ) on my iPad
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9 Mar 2013, at 19:43, _lsf5275@_ (mailto:lsf5275@) wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Han-D-Magic
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 3/9/2013 1:59:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > _fourtytwominds@_ (mailto:fourtytwominds@) writes:
> >
> >
> > How are the cycling Mellys demagnetized anyway?
> >
> > -Sean
> >
> > --- In __newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _
> > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ) , "tron400" <tron400@> wrote:
> > >
> > > So it's probably not safe for general use on a cycling machine or a
> > pacemaker?
> > >
> > > Bernie
> > >
> > > --- In __newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _
> > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bernie, with a Han-D-Mag you can de-mag a headblock in a minute or
> > two. But
> > > > that thing is not to be trifled with. It will do all kinds of cool
> > things
> > > > but can really fuck up your shit. Get your tapes out of the room. Do
> > all
> > > > the heads at once... Power on... slowly sweep from head to head...
> > move the
> > > > HCM away and unplug.
> > > >
> > > > The magnetometer is the thing. It lets you know for sure if or where
> > you
> > > > have problems, and it lets you know if you solved them. No guessing.
> > > >
> > > > Later you might want to get the Han-D-Mallet... for when nothing
> else
> > is
> > > > working right.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 3/8/2013 11:48:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > > tron400@ writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for those links, Frank.
> > > >
> > > > Bernie
> > > >
> > > > --- In ___newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _
> > (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ) _
> > > > (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _
> > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ) ) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Han-d-mag
> > > > >
> > > > > ____http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html____
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html___)
> > (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html___
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__) )
> > > > (__http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html___
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__)
> > (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_) ) )
> > > > > (___http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html___
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__)
> > (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_) )
> > > > (__http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_)
> > (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html) ) ) )
> > > > >
> > > > > Getting a good magnetometer is a good idea. I find mine to be
> > > > indispensable
> > > > >
> > > > > ____http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html____
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html___)
> > (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html___
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__) )
> > > > (__http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html___
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__)
> > (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_) ) )
> > > > > (___http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html___
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__)
> > (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_) )
> > > > (__http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_)
> > (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html) ) ) )
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In a message dated 3/6/2013 12:33:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > > > tron400@ writes:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey Frank, when I do a search on Man-D-Mag, I just get hits on Mad
> > > > > Magazine.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bernie
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In ____newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:___newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _
> > (mailto:___newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ) _
> > > > (mailto:___newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _
> > (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ) ) _
> > > > > (mailto:___newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _
> > (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ) _
> > > > (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _
> > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ) ) ) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > > > > tron400@ writes:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, not just M400's.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did
> the
> > arm
> > > > > > across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them
> > didn't
> > > > > return.
> > > > > > I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the
> pinch
> > > > roller
> > > > > > and pad didn't do it).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return,
> even
> > > > after
> > > > > > removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the
> > > > capstan.
> > > > > When
> > > > > > I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in
> > between
> > > > the
> > > > > > capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape
> > > > decided
> > > > > to
> > > > > > take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The
> > room
> > > > is
> > > > > > pretty dry with forced air heat.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound
> like
> >
> > > > what
> > > > > > needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer
> (this
> > > > kind:
> > > > > > _____http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_____
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg____)
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg____
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___) )
> > > > (__http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg____
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___)
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__) ) )
> > > > > (___http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg____
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___)
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__) )
> > > > (__http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__)
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_) ) ) )
> > > > > > (____http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg____
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___)
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__) )
> > > > (__http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__)
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_) ) )
> > > > > (___http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__)
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_) )
> > > > (__http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_)
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg) ) ) ) ) ), but I'm not sure it will work on the
> > > > > capstan.
> > > > > > Suggestions?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bernie
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-12 by lsf5275@aol.com

K2R... just as good
 
In a message dated 3/11/2013 3:54:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tron400@yahoo.com writes:
 

So I shouldn't take them to the dry cleaners?

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> Water. Maybe with a spot of dishwashing liquid, but keep it super-mild. It
> is, after all, only dust. I think it is more likely static build-up. Try
> removing the frames between uses.
>
> Frank
>
> PS. If you want those tapes really clean, use alcohol. Keep rubbing until
> all the oxide comes off.
>
>
> In a message dated 3/11/2013 10:49:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> tron400@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> I'm beginning to think that the backs of the tapes that were bunching up in
> my M4oo are dirty. I hadn't cleaned the pinch rollers since I installed
> them a couple of years ago and I've been using the same frame for several
> weeks. It looks like the backs of the tapes were sticking to the pinch
> rollers. After cleaning the pinch rollers, heads and capstan, the tapes were still
> bunching up, so I tried a different frame. No bunching at all. Do tapes
> need to be cleaned every so often? What do you use to clean them?
>
> Bernie
>
> --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> >
> > You said it!
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 3/9/2013 4:32:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > tronbros@ writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > We have never demagged the prototype M4000 in 5 years. It gets turned on
> > daily and the tapes are as fresh as the day we installed them. Demagging
> is
> > not something you have to do in years unless you unplug the headblock
> and
> > forget to shortout the audio box socket or have some major malfunction.
> DON'T
> > PANIC!
> >
> >
> > M
> >
> > 1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons
> >
> >
> > _mellotronics.com_ (_http://mellotronics.com/_ (http://mellotronics.com/)
> ) on my iPad
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9 Mar 2013, at 19:43, _lsf5275@_ (mailto:lsf5275@) wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Han-D-Magic
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 3/9/2013 1:59:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > _fourtytwominds@_ (mailto:fourtytwominds@) writes:
> >
> >
> > How are the cycling Mellys demagnetized anyway?
> >
> > -Sean
> >
> > --- In __newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _
> > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ) , "tron400" <tron400@> wrote:
> > >
> > > So it's probably not safe for general use on a cycling machine or a
> > pacemaker?
> > >
> > > Bernie
> > >
> > > --- In __newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _
> > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bernie, with a Han-D-Mag you can de-mag a headblock in a minute or
> > two. But
> > > > that thing is not to be trifled with. It will do all kinds of cool
> > things
> > > > but can really fuck up your shit. Get your tapes out of the room. Do
> > all
> > > > the heads at once... Power on... slowly sweep from head to head...
> > move the
> > > > HCM away and unplug.
> > > >
> > > > The magnetometer is the thing. It lets you know for sure if or where
> > you
> > > > have problems, and it lets you know if you solved them. No guessing.
> > > >
> > > > Later you might want to get the Han-D-Mallet... for when nothing
> else
> > is
> > > > working right.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 3/8/2013 11:48:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > > tron400@ writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for those links, Frank.
> > > >
> > > > Bernie
> > > >
> > > > --- In ___newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _
> > (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ) _
> > > > (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _
> > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ) ) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Han-d-mag
> > > > >
> > > > > ____http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html____
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html___)
> > (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html___
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__) )
> > > > (__http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html___
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__)
> > (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_) ) )
> > > > > (___http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html___
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__)
> > (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_) )
> > > > (__http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_)
> > (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html) ) ) )
> > > > >
> > > > > Getting a good magnetometer is a good idea. I find mine to be
> > > > indispensable
> > > > >
> > > > > ____http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html____
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html___)
> > (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html___
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__) )
> > > > (__http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html___
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__)
> > (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_) ) )
> > > > > (___http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html___
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__)
> > (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_) )
> > > > (__http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_)
> > (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html) ) ) )
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In a message dated 3/6/2013 12:33:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > > > tron400@ writes:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey Frank, when I do a search on Man-D-Mag, I just get hits on Mad
> > > > > Magazine.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bernie
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In ____newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:___newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _
> > (mailto:___newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ) _
> > > > (mailto:___newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _
> > (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ) ) _
> > > > > (mailto:___newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _
> > (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ) _
> > > > (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _
> > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ) ) ) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > > > > tron400@ writes:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, not just M400's.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did
> the
> > arm
> > > > > > across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them
> > didn't
> > > > > return.
> > > > > > I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the
> pinch
> > > > roller
> > > > > > and pad didn't do it).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return,
> even
> > > > after
> > > > > > removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the
> > > > capstan.
> > > > > When
> > > > > > I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in
> > between
> > > > the
> > > > > > capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape
> > > > decided
> > > > > to
> > > > > > take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The
> > room
> > > > is
> > > > > > pretty dry with forced air heat.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound
> like
> >
> > > > what
> > > > > > needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer
> (this
> > > > kind:
> > > > > > _____http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_____
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg____)
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg____
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___) )
> > > > (__http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg____
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___)
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__) ) )
> > > > > (___http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg____
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___)
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__) )
> > > > (__http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__)
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_) ) ) )
> > > > > > (____http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg____
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___)
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__) )
> > > > (__http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__)
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_) ) )
> > > > > (___http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__)
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_) )
> > > > (__http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_)
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg) ) ) ) ) ), but I'm not sure it will work on the
> > > > > capstan.
> > > > > > Suggestions?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bernie
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-13 by tripod4661

One takes the headblocks out completely and demags them in the garage one does! Well away from any tapes. Not a simple task....although it occasionally benefits the heads, it is probably more useful for demagging your tron tools as when often used for other things they annoyingly become easily magnetised. Try picking up a paperclip with your screwdriver before you adjust your keyboard screws!!

John



--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "Sean" <fourtytwominds@...> wrote:
>
> How are the cycling Mellys demagnetized anyway?
>
> -Sean
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tron400" <tron400@> wrote:
> >
> > So it's probably not safe for general use on a cycling machine or a pacemaker?
> >
> > Bernie
> >
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Bernie, with a Han-D-Mag you can de-mag a headblock in a minute or two. But
> > > that thing is not to be trifled with. It will do all kinds of cool things
> > > but can really fuck up your shit. Get your tapes out of the room. Do all
> > > the heads at once... Power on... slowly sweep from head to head... move the
> > > HCM away and unplug.
> > >
> > > The magnetometer is the thing. It lets you know for sure if or where you
> > > have problems, and it lets you know if you solved them. No guessing.
> > >
> > > Later you might want to get the Han-D-Mallet... for when nothing else is
> > > working right.
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 3/8/2013 11:48:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > tron400@ writes:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for those links, Frank.
> > >
> > > Bernie
> > >
> > > --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> > > (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Han-d-mag
> > > >
> > > > __http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__
> > > (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_)
> > > > (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_
> > > (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html) )
> > > >
> > > > Getting a good magnetometer is a good idea. I find mine to be
> > > indispensable
> > > >
> > > > __http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__
> > > (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_)
> > > > (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_
> > > (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html) )
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 3/6/2013 12:33:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > > tron400@ writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hey Frank, when I do a search on Man-D-Mag, I just get hits on Mad
> > > > Magazine.
> > > >
> > > > Bernie
> > > >
> > > > --- In __newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> > > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _
> > > > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> > > (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > > > > tron400@ writes:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, not just M400's.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm
> > > > > across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't
> > > > return.
> > > > > I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch
> > > roller
> > > > > and pad didn't do it).
> > > > >
> > > > > I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even
> > > after
> > > > > removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the
> > > capstan.
> > > > When
> > > > > I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in between
> > > the
> > > > > capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape
> > > decided
> > > > to
> > > > > take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room
> > > is
> > > > > pretty dry with forced air heat.
> > > > >
> > > > > I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like
> > > what
> > > > > needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this
> > > kind:
> > > > > ___http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___
> > > (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__)
> > > > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__
> > > (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_) )
> > > > > (__http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__
> > > (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_)
> > > > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_
> > > (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg) ) ) ), but I'm not sure it will work on the
> > > > capstan.
> > > > > Suggestions?
> > > > >
> > > > > Bernie
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>