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Re: Here's something that you wont want to miss out on

Re: Here's something that you wont want to miss out on

2012-12-14 by markpringnz

There are also some Mark II samples on ebay, which I think might be from some one on the list.

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> Who needs a real Mellotron now?
>
> _http://www.ebay.com/itm/MELLOTRON-SAMPLES-Violin-Choir-Strings-Recorded-wit
> h-Neve-and-Neumann-u87-/150964280447?pt=US_Computer_Recording_Software&hash=
> item23262c1c7f_
> (http://www.ebay.com/itm/MELLOTRON-SAMPLES-Violin-Choir-Strings-Recorded-with-Neve-and-Neumann-u87-/150964280447?pt=US_Computer_Recordin
> g_Software&hash=item23262c1c7f)
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Here's something that you wont want to miss out on

2012-12-14 by john barrick

Uh-oh.  There are only 10 left.  Better jump on that before they disappear for good.


--
john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*

Re: Here's something that you wont want to miss out on

2012-12-14 by tron400

Why not record them direct rather than through a miked Fender guitar amp? I guess that's a question for Anthony Joseph Gallo.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> Who needs a real Mellotron now?
>
> _http://www.ebay.com/itm/MELLOTRON-SAMPLES-Violin-Choir-Strings-Recorded-wit
> h-Neve-and-Neumann-u87-/150964280447?pt=US_Computer_Recording_Software&hash=
> item23262c1c7f_
> (http://www.ebay.com/itm/MELLOTRON-SAMPLES-Violin-Choir-Strings-Recorded-with-Neve-and-Neumann-u87-/150964280447?pt=US_Computer_Recordin
> g_Software&hash=item23262c1c7f)
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Here's something that you wont want to miss out on

2012-12-14 by Hammonddave

You can find them at www.vintagekeyboardsounds.com

David Jacques

On Dec 14, 2012, at 12:59 AM, "markpringnz" <markpringnz@gmail.com> wrote:

 

There are also some Mark II samples on ebay, which I think might be from some one on the list.

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> Who needs a real Mellotron now?
>
> _http://www.ebay.com/itm/MELLOTRON-SAMPLES-Violin-Choir-Strings-Recorded-wit
> h-Neve-and-Neumann-u87-/150964280447?pt=US_Computer_Recording_Software&hash=
> item23262c1c7f_
> (http://www.ebay.com/itm/MELLOTRON-SAMPLES-Violin-Choir-Strings-Recorded-with-Neve-and-Neumann-u87-/150964280447?pt=US_Computer_Recordin
> g_Software&hash=item23262c1c7f)
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Here's something that you wont want to miss out on

2012-12-14 by tronbros

Just to be a pedant.......you won't find any mellotron cello on any Moodies recordings.

Best,

M

mellotronics.com on my iPad




On 14 Dec 2012, at 16:36, Hammonddave <hammonddave2004@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

You can find them at www.vintagekeyboardsounds.com

David Jacques

On Dec 14, 2012, at 12:59 AM, "markpringnz" <markpringnz@gmail.com> wrote:

 

There are also some Mark II samples on ebay, which I think might be from some one on the list.

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> Who needs a real Mellotron now?
>
> _http://www.ebay.com/itm/MELLOTRON-SAMPLES-Violin-Choir-Strings-Recorded-wit
> h-Neve-and-Neumann-u87-/150964280447?pt=US_Computer_Recording_Software&hash=
> item23262c1c7f_
> (http://www.ebay.com/itm/MELLOTRON-SAMPLES-Violin-Choir-Strings-Recorded-with-Neve-and-Neumann-u87-/150964280447?pt=US_Computer_Recordin
> g_Software&hash=item23262c1c7f)
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Here's something that you wont want to miss out on

2012-12-14 by Bill Rudloff

Except for a real cello tuned to E A D G like a bass, as I think John Lodge played it on On A Threshold Of A Dream on The Voyage.
Bill Rudloff

-----Original Message-----
From: tronbros <tronbros@aol.com>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 11:05 am
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Here's something that you wont want to miss out on

 
Just to be a pedant.......you won't find any mellotron cello on any Moodies recordings.

Best,

M

mellotronics.com on my iPad




On 14 Dec 2012, at 16:36, Hammonddave <hammonddave2004@yahoo.com> wrote:

 
You can find them at www.vintagekeyboardsounds.com

David Jacques

On Dec 14, 2012, at 12:59 AM, "markpringnz" <markpringnz@gmail.com> wrote:

 
There are also some Mark II samples on ebay, which I think might be from some one on the list.

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> Who needs a real Mellotron now?
>
> _http://www.ebay.com/itm/MELLOTRON-SAMPLES-Violin-Choir-Strings-Recorded-wit
> h-Neve-and-Neumann-u87-/150964280447?pt=US_Computer_Recording_Software&hash=
> item23262c1c7f_
> (http://www.ebay.com/itm/MELLOTRON-SAMPLES-Violin-Choir-Strings-Recorded-with-Neve-and-Neumann-u87-/150964280447?pt=US_Computer_Recordin
> g_Software&hash=item23262c1c7f)
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Here's something that you wont want to miss out on

2012-12-14 by lsf5275

Ask him...

tron400 <tron400@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Why not record them direct rather than through a miked Fender guitar amp? I guess that's a question for Anthony Joseph Gallo.
>
>Bernie
>
>--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>>
>> Who needs a real Mellotron now?
>> 
>> _http://www.ebay.com/itm/MELLOTRON-SAMPLES-Violin-Choir-Strings-Recorded-wit
>> h-Neve-and-Neumann-u87-/150964280447?pt=US_Computer_Recording_Software&hash=
>> item23262c1c7f_
>> (http://www.ebay.com/itm/MELLOTRON-SAMPLES-Violin-Choir-Strings-Recorded-with-Neve-and-Neumann-u87-/150964280447?pt=US_Computer_Recordin
>> g_Software&hash=item23262c1c7f)
>>
>
>

 

Why not record them direct rather than through a miked Fender guitar amp? I guess that's a question for Anthony Joseph Gallo.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> Who needs a real Mellotron now?
>
> _http://www.ebay.com/itm/MELLOTRON-SAMPLES-Violin-Choir-Strings-Recorded-wit
> h-Neve-and-Neumann-u87-/150964280447?pt=US_Computer_Recording_Software&hash=
> item23262c1c7f_
> (http://www.ebay.com/itm/MELLOTRON-SAMPLES-Violin-Choir-Strings-Recorded-with-Neve-and-Neumann-u87-/150964280447?pt=US_Computer_Recordin
> g_Software&hash=item23262c1c7f)
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Here's something that you wont want to miss out on

2012-12-14 by Hal Moser

Sorry, but you're wrong.  Mike Pinder used the Chamberlain on 7th Soujourn.  Listen for the cellos on "Isn't Life Strange".  Mellotrn cellos are an octive below the Chamberlain cellos and at the lower end of the cellos, it switches to a "double bass".  Richard Chamberlain said that Mike bought a Chamberlain, but tried to re-wire it himself.  Richard said that they had to go in a fix the wiring because it was so messed up.  

From: tronbros <tronbros@aol.com>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Here's something that you wont want to miss out on
 
Just to be a pedant.......you won't find any mellotron cello on any Moodies recordings.

Best,

M
mellotronics.com on my iPad



On 14 Dec 2012, at 16:36, Hammonddave <hammonddave2004@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
You can find them at http://www.vintagekeyboardsounds.com/.  David Jacques
On Dec 14, 2012, at 12:59 AM, "markpringnz" <markpringnz@gmail.com> wrote:
 
There are also some Mark II samples on ebay, which I think might be from some one on the list.

--- In mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> Who needs a real Mellotron now?
>
> _http://www.ebay.com/itm/MELLOTRON-SAMPLES-Violin-Choir-Strings-Recorded-wit
> h-Neve-and-Neumann-u87-/150964280447?pt=US_Computer_Recording_Software&hash=
> item23262c1c7f_
> (http://www.ebay.com/itm/MELLOTRON-SAMPLES-Violin-Choir-Strings-Recorded-with-Neve-and-Neumann-u87-/150964280447?pt=US_Computer_Recordin
> g_Software&hash=item23262c1c7f)
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Here's something that you wont want to miss out on

2012-12-14 by tronbros

I will take a listen but when Mike recorded Seventh S, he still had a MKII and the M400 with the cello sound hadn't been released.  Of course he could have used an M300 with the early A tapes but his instrument had B tapes.  It's all so confusing and probably not worth it!

M

mellotronics.com on my iPad




On 14 Dec 2012, at 17:53, Hal Moser <halmoser@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Sorry, but you're wrong.  Mike Pinder used the Chamberlain on 7th Soujourn.  Listen for the cellos on "Isn't Life Strange".  Mellotrn cellos are an octive below the Chamberlain cellos and at the lower end of the cellos, it switches to a "double bass".  Richard Chamberlain said that Mike bought a Chamberlain, but tried to re-wire it himself.  Richard said that they had to go in a fix the wiring because it was so messed up.  

From: tronbros <tronbros@aol.com>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Here's something that you wont want to miss out on
 
Just to be a pedant.......you won't find any mellotron cello on any Moodies recordings.

Best,

M
mellotronics.com on my iPad



On 14 Dec 2012, at 16:36, Hammonddave <hammonddave2004@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
You can find them at http://www.vintagekeyboardsounds.com/.  David Jacques
On Dec 14, 2012, at 12:59 AM, "markpringnz" <markpringnz@gmail.com> wrote:
 
There are also some Mark II samples on ebay, which I think might be from some one on the list.

--- In mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> Who needs a real Mellotron now?
>
> _http://www.ebay.com/itm/MELLOTRON-SAMPLES-Violin-Choir-Strings-Recorded-wit
> h-Neve-and-Neumann-u87-/150964280447?pt=US_Computer_Recording_Software&hash=
> item23262c1c7f_
> (http://www.ebay.com/itm/MELLOTRON-SAMPLES-Violin-Choir-Strings-Recorded-with-Neve-and-Neumann-u87-/150964280447?pt=US_Computer_Recordin
> g_Software&hash=item23262c1c7f)
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Here's something that you wont want to miss out on

2012-12-14 by Hal Moser

Check it out on Wikipedia and All Music.  The sonic quality of the Chamberlin is much cleaner than previous albums.  He did use the mellotron on some songs, but listen carefully, especially the cellos.  With my new Mellotron/Chamberlin, you can switch back and forth between sounds and you can immediately tell the difference.

From: tronbros <tronbros@aol.com>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Here's something that you wont want to miss out on
 
I will take a listen but when Mike recorded Seventh S, he still had a MKII and the M400 with the cello sound hadn't been released.  Of course he could have used an M300 with the early A tapes but his instrument had B tapes.  It's all so confusing and probably not worth it!

M
mellotronics.com on my iPad



On 14 Dec 2012, at 17:53, Hal Moser <halmoser@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Sorry, but you're wrong.  Mike Pinder used the Chamberlain on 7th Soujourn.  Listen for the cellos on "Isn't Life Strange".  Mellotrn cellos are an octive below the Chamberlain cellos and at the lower end of the cellos, it switches to a "double bass".  Richard Chamberlain said that Mike bought a Chamberlain, but tried to re-wire it himself.  Richard said that they had to go in a fix the wiring because it was so messed up.  

From: tronbros <tronbros@aol.com>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Here's something that you wont want to miss out on
 
Just to be a pedant.......you won't find any mellotron cello on any Moodies recordings.

Best,

M
mellotronics.com on my iPad



On 14 Dec 2012, at 16:36, Hammonddave <hammonddave2004@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
You can find them at http://www.vintagekeyboardsounds.com/.  David Jacques
On Dec 14, 2012, at 12:59 AM, "markpringnz" <markpringnz@gmail.com> wrote:
 
There are also some Mark II samples on ebay, which I think might be from some one on the list. --- In mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote: > > Who needs a real Mellotron now? > > _http://www.ebay.com/itm/MELLOTRON-SAMPLES-Violin-Choir-Strings-Recorded-wit > h-Neve-and-Neumann-u87-/150964280447?pt=US_Computer_Recording_Software&hash= > item23262c1c7f_ > (http://www.ebay.com/itm/MELLOTRON-SAMPLES-Violin-Choir-Strings-Recorded-with-Neve-and-Neumann-u87-/150964280447?pt=US_Computer_Recordin > g_Software&hash=item23262c1c7f) >

RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Here's something that you wont want to miss out on

2012-12-14 by John Hammaren

Like out Father, we don’t ask, we wait for the sign….

 

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lsf5275
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 12:26 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Here's something that you wont want to miss out on

 

 

Ask him...

tron400 <tron400@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Why not record them direct rather than through a miked Fender guitar amp? I guess that's a question for Anthony Joseph Gallo.
>
>Bernie
>
>--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>>
>> Who needs a real Mellotron now?
>> 
>> _http://www.ebay.com/itm/MELLOTRON-SAMPLES-Violin-Choir-Strings-Recorded-wit
>> h-Neve-and-Neumann-u87-/150964280447?pt=US_Computer_Recording_Software&hash=
>> item23262c1c7f_
>> (http://www.ebay.com/itm/MELLOTRON-SAMPLES-Violin-Choir-Strings-Recorded-with-Neve-and-Neumann-u87-/150964280447?pt=US_Computer_Recordin
>> g_Software&hash=item23262c1c7f)
>>
>
>

 

Why not record them direct rather than through a miked Fender guitar amp? I guess that's a question for Anthony Joseph Gallo.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> Who needs a real Mellotron now?
>
> _http://www.ebay.com/itm/MELLOTRON-SAMPLES-Violin-Choir-Strings-Recorded-wit
> h-Neve-and-Neumann-u87-/150964280447?pt=US_Computer_Recording_Software&hash=
> item23262c1c7f_
> (http://www.ebay.com/itm/MELLOTRON-SAMPLES-Violin-Choir-Strings-Recorded-with-Neve-and-Neumann-u87-/150964280447?pt=US_Computer_Recordin
> g_Software&hash=item23262c1c7f)
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Here's something that you wont want to miss out on

2012-12-15 by JAMES STRAUSS

Something wrong with this picture?
 

From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Here's something that you wont want to miss out on
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, December 14, 2012, 5:09 PM

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Here's something that you wont want to miss out on

2012-12-15 by JAMES STRAUSS

ooops...maybe a bigger picture would help...
Seems like the last shot has a mess of tapes opn the fllor...
 

--- On Fri, 12/14/12, JAMES STRAUSS <jandjstrz@verizon.net> wrote:

From: JAMES STRAUSS <jandjstrz@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Here's something that you wont want to miss out on
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, December 14, 2012, 9:14 PM

Something wrong with this picture?
 

From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Here's something that you wont want to miss out on
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, December 14, 2012, 5:09 PM

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Here's something that you wont want to miss out on

2012-12-15 by Chris Dale

It isn't worth it but I've some time to waste today :)


Mike Pinder used Chamberlin, an M300 Mellotron and a very heavily modified MK II on Seventh Sojourn.
The Chamberlin sounds cleaner on Seventh Sojourn only because it's an M series unit that has higher quality tape heads.
The earlier Chamberlins don't necessarily sound cleaner than the Mellotron because there isn't standardized tape heads in many of them. Master tapes have less to do with it when the playback mechanism is an influence.

The cellos on Isn't Life Strange and New Horizons are Chamberlin, but on other songs the sounds are interwoven with Mellotron M300 strings, which mask the Chamberlin vibrato.

Chamberlin is commonly mistaken for real string sections on many records. This was by design for authenticity purposes and to a much lesser extent - to avoid the American Musicians Unions.
In a mix, Chamberlin sounds are generally harder to discern than Mellotron sounds.
You almost need to own a real Chamberlin to recognize them. Not all of the Chamberlin sounds have been released digitally.

You're right about the Mellotron cellos being lower than the Chamberlin. Many of us here have both a real Chamberlin and Mellotron, and this was one of the first things that was noticeable. But not all 35 notes on the Chamberlin are used for every sound. For instance, the Male Voice and Female Voice singers couldn't sing that high. The upper few keys are blank, or have filler sounds on them. Other wind instrument sounds are like that too.
If you have a full 35 notes or more for every Chamberlin sound in a digital keyboard or sample library, then the lowest and highest notes are either digitally pitched or occasionally can be from some other non-Chamberlin source.


   

 

On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Hal Moser <halmoser@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Check it out on Wikipedia and All Music.  The sonic quality of the Chamberlin is much cleaner than previous albums.  He did use the mellotron on some songs, but listen carefully, especially the cellos.  With my new Mellotron/Chamberlin, you can switch back and forth between sounds and you can immediately tell the difference.

Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 12:00 PM

Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Here's something that you wont want to miss out on
 
I will take a listen but when Mike recorded Seventh S, he still had a MKII and the M400 with the cello sound hadn't been released.  Of course he could have used an M300 with the early A tapes but his instrument had B tapes.  It's all so confusing and probably not worth it!

M
mellotronics.com on my iPad



On 14 Dec 2012, at 17:53, Hal Moser <halmoser@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Sorry, but you're wrong.  Mike Pinder used the Chamberlain on 7th Soujourn.  Listen for the cellos on "Isn't Life Strange".  Mellotrn cellos are an octive below the Chamberlain cellos and at the lower end of the cellos, it switches to a "double bass".  Richard Chamberlain said that Mike bought a Chamberlain, but tried to re-wire it himself.  Richard said that they had to go in a fix the wiring because it was so messed up.  

From: tronbros <tronbros@aol.com>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Here's something that you wont want to miss out on
 
Just to be a pedant.......you won't find any mellotron cello on any Moodies recordings.

Best,

M
mellotronics.com on my iPad



On 14 Dec 2012, at 16:36, Hammonddave <hammonddave2004@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
You can find them at http://www.vintagekeyboardsounds.com/.  David Jacques
On Dec 14, 2012, at 12:59 AM, "markpringnz" <markpringnz@gmail.com> wrote:
 
There are also some Mark II samples on ebay, which I think might be from some one on the list.--- In mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:>> Who needs a real Mellotron now?> > _http://www.ebay.com/itm/MELLOTRON-SAMPLES-Violin-Choir-Strings-Recorded-wit> h-Neve-and-Neumann-u87-/150964280447?pt=US_Computer_Recording_Software&hash=> item23262c1c7f_ > (http://www.ebay.com/itm/MELLOTRON-SAMPLES-Violin-Choir-Strings-Recorded-with-Neve-and-Neumann-u87-/150964280447?pt=US_Computer_Recordin> g_Software&hash=item23262c1c7f)>


Re: Here's something that you wont want to miss out on

2012-12-15 by thinkingalouduk

A couple of years ago I was messing about with Chamberlin cello samples and recreated the opening of "Isn't Life Strange" just for fun... (The flute is real.)

Here it is if anyone's interested: http://thinking-aloud.co.uk/playsong.php?IsntLifeStrange

Owen

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@...> wrote:
>
> It isn't worth it but I've some time to waste today :)
>
>
> Mike Pinder used Chamberlin, an M300 Mellotron and a very heavily modified
> MK II on Seventh Sojourn.
> The Chamberlin sounds cleaner on Seventh Sojourn only because it's an M
> series unit that has higher quality tape heads.
> The earlier Chamberlins don't necessarily sound cleaner than the Mellotron
> because there isn't standardized tape heads in many of them. Master tapes
> have less to do with it when the playback mechanism is an influence.
>
> The cellos on Isn't Life Strange and New Horizons are Chamberlin, but on
> other songs the sounds are interwoven with Mellotron M300 strings, which
> mask the Chamberlin vibrato.
>
> Chamberlin is commonly mistaken for real string sections on many records.
> This was by design for authenticity purposes and to a much lesser extent -
> to avoid the American Musicians Unions.
> In a mix, Chamberlin sounds are generally harder to discern than Mellotron
> sounds.
> You almost need to own a real Chamberlin to recognize them. Not all of the
> Chamberlin sounds have been released digitally.
>
> You're right about the Mellotron cellos being lower than the Chamberlin.
> Many of us here have both a real Chamberlin and Mellotron, and this was one
> of the first things that was noticeable. But not all 35 notes on the
> Chamberlin are used for every sound. For instance, the Male Voice and
> Female Voice singers couldn't sing that high. The upper few keys are blank,
> or have filler sounds on them. Other wind instrument sounds are like that
> too.
> If you have a full 35 notes or more for every Chamberlin sound in a digital
> keyboard or sample library, then the lowest and highest notes are either
> digitally pitched or occasionally can be from some other non-Chamberlin
> source.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Hal Moser <halmoser@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Check it out on Wikipedia and All Music. The sonic quality of the
> > Chamberlin is much cleaner than previous albums. He did use the mellotron
> > on some songs, but listen carefully, especially the cellos. With my new
> > Mellotron/Chamberlin, you can switch back and forth between sounds and you
> > can immediately tell the difference.
> >
> > *From:* tronbros <tronbros@...>
> > *To:* "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <
> > newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> > *Sent:* Friday, December 14, 2012 12:00 PM
> >
> > *Subject:* Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Here's something that you wont
> > want to miss out on
> > **
> >
> > I will take a listen but when Mike recorded Seventh S, he still had a MKII
> > and the M400 with the cello sound hadn't been released. Of course he could
> > have used an M300 with the early A tapes but his instrument had B tapes.
> > It's all so confusing and probably not worth it!
> >
> > M****
> > mellotronics.com on my iPad
> >
> >
> >
> > **On 14 Dec 2012, at 17:53, Hal Moser <halmoser@...> wrote:****
> >
> >
> > Sorry, but you're wrong. Mike Pinder used the Chamberlain on 7th
> > Soujourn. Listen for the cellos on "Isn't Life Strange". Mellotrn cellos
> > are an octive below the Chamberlain cellos and at the lower end of the
> > cellos, it switches to a "double bass". Richard Chamberlain said that Mike
> > bought a Chamberlain, but tried to re-wire it himself. Richard said that
> > they had to go in a fix the wiring because it was so messed up.
> >
> > *From:* tronbros <tronbros@...>
> > *To:* "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <
> > newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> > *Sent:* Friday, December 14, 2012 11:05 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Here's something that you wont
> > want to miss out on
> >
> > Just to be a pedant.......you won't find any mellotron cello on any
> > Moodies recordings.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > M
> > mellotronics.com on my iPad
> >
> >
> >
> > On 14 Dec 2012, at 16:36, Hammonddave <hammonddave2004@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > You can find them at http://www.vintagekeyboardsounds.com/. David Jacques
> > On Dec 14, 2012, at 12:59 AM, "markpringnz" <markpringnz@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > There are also some Mark II samples on ebay, which I think might be from
> > some one on the list.****--- In mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com<newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > lsf5275@ wrote:**>**> Who needs a real Mellotron now?**> **> _
> > http://www.ebay.com/itm/MELLOTRON-SAMPLES-Violin-Choir-Strings-Recorded-wit
> > **>
> > h-Neve-and-Neumann-u87-/150964280447?pt=US_Computer_Recording_Software&hash=
> > **> item23262c1c7f_ **> (
> > http://www.ebay.com/itm/MELLOTRON-SAMPLES-Violin-Choir-Strings-Recorded-with-Neve-and-Neumann-u87-/150964280447?pt=US_Computer_Recordin
> > **> g_Software&hash=item23262c1c7f)**>****
> >
> > ****
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Here's something that you wont want to miss out on

2012-12-15 by Mark Pring

Very nice.

From: thinkingalouduk <tron@thinking-aloud.co.uk>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 16 December 2012 7:30 AM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Here's something that you wont want to miss out on

 
A couple of years ago I was messing about with Chamberlin cello samples and recreated the opening of "Isn't Life Strange" just for fun... (The flute is real.)

Here it is if anyone's interested: http://thinking-aloud.co.uk/playsong.php?IsntLifeStrange

Owen

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@...> wrote:
>
> It isn't worth it but I've some time to waste today :)
>
>
> Mike Pinder used Chamberlin, an M300 Mellotron and a very heavily modified
> MK II on Seventh Sojourn.
> The Chamberlin sounds cleaner on Seventh Sojourn only because it's an M
> series unit that has higher quality tape heads.
> The earlier Chamberlins don't necessarily sound cleaner than the Mellotron
> because there isn't standardized tape heads in many of them. Master tapes
> have less to do with it when the playback mechanism is an influence.
>
> The cellos on Isn't Life Strange and New Horizons are Chamberlin, but on
> other songs the sounds are interwoven with Mellotron M300 strings, which
> mask the Chamberlin vibrato.
>
> Chamberlin is commonly mistaken for real string sections on many records.
> This was by design for authenticity purposes and to a much lesser extent -
> to avoid the American Musicians Unions.
> In a mix, Chamberlin sounds are generally harder to discern than Mellotron
> sounds.
> You almost need to own a real Chamberlin to recognize them. Not all of the
> Chamberlin sounds have been released digitally.
>
> You're right about the Mellotron cellos being lower than the Chamberlin.
> Many of us here have both a real Chamberlin and Mellotron, and this was one
> of the first things that was noticeable. But not all 35 notes on the
> Chamberlin are used for every sound. For instance, the Male Voice and
> Female Voice singers couldn't sing that high. The upper few keys are blank,
> or have filler sounds on them. Other wind instrument sounds are like that
> too.
> If you have a full 35 notes or more for every Chamberlin sound in a digital
> keyboard or sample library, then the lowest and highest notes are either
> digitally pitched or occasionally can be from some other non-Chamberlin
> source.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Hal Moser <halmoser@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Check it out on Wikipedia and All Music. The sonic quality of the
> > Chamberlin is much cleaner than previous albums. He did use the mellotron
> > on some songs, but listen carefully, especially the cellos. With my new
> > Mellotron/Chamberlin, you can switch back and forth between sounds and you
> > can immediately tell the difference.
> >
> > *From:* tronbros <tronbros@...>
> > *To:* "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <
> > newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> > *Sent:* Friday, December 14, 2012 12:00 PM
> >
> > *Subject:* Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Here's something that you wont
> > want to miss out on
> > **
> >
> > I will take a listen but when Mike recorded Seventh S, he still had a MKII
> > and the M400 with the cello sound hadn't been released. Of course he could
> > have used an M300 with the early A tapes but his instrument had B tapes.
> > It's all so confusing and probably not worth it!
> >
> > M****
> > mellotronics.com on my iPad
> >
> >
> >
> > **On 14 Dec 2012, at 17:53, Hal Moser <halmoser@...> wrote:****
> >
> >
> > Sorry, but you're wrong. Mike Pinder used the Chamberlain on 7th
> > Soujourn. Listen for the cellos on "Isn't Life Strange". Mellotrn cellos
> > are an octive below the Chamberlain cellos and at the lower end of the
> > cellos, it switches to a "double bass". Richard Chamberlain said that Mike
> > bought a Chamberlain, but tried to re-wire it himself. Richard said that
> > they had to go in a fix the wiring because it was so messed up.
> >
> > *From:* tronbros <tronbros@...>
> > *To:* "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <
> > newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> > *Sent:* Friday, December 14, 2012 11:05 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Here's something that you wont
> > want to miss out on
> >
> > Just to be a pedant.......you won't find any mellotron cello on any
> > Moodies recordings.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > M
> > mellotronics.com on my iPad
> >
> >
> >
> > On 14 Dec 2012, at 16:36, Hammonddave <hammonddave2004@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > You can find them at http://www.vintagekeyboardsounds.com/. David Jacques
> > On Dec 14, 2012, at 12:59 AM, "markpringnz" <markpringnz@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > There are also some Mark II samples on ebay, which I think might be from
> > some one on the list.****--- In mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com<newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > lsf5275@ wrote:**>**> Who needs a real Mellotron now?**> **> _
> > http://www.ebay.com/itm/MELLOTRON-SAMPLES-Violin-Choir-Strings-Recorded-wit
> > **>
> > h-Neve-and-Neumann-u87-/150964280447?pt=US_Computer_Recording_Software&hash=
> > **> item23262c1c7f_ **> (
> > http://www.ebay.com/itm/MELLOTRON-SAMPLES-Violin-Choir-Strings-Recorded-with-Neve-and-Neumann-u87-/150964280447?pt=US_Computer_Recordin
> > **> g_Software&hash=item23262c1c7f)**>****
> >
> > ****
> >
> >
> >
>



Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Here's something that you wont want to miss out on

2012-12-15 by gino wong

That's funny  or sad


On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Mark Pring <mellotronmadness@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
 

Very nice.

From: thinkingalouduk <tron@thinking-aloud.co.uk>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 16 December 2012 7:30 AM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Here's something that you wont want to miss out on

 
A couple of years ago I was messing about with Chamberlin cello samples and recreated the opening of "Isn't Life Strange" just for fun... (The flute is real.)

Here it is if anyone's interested: http://thinking-aloud.co.uk/playsong.php?IsntLifeStrange

Owen

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@...> wrote:
>
> It isn't worth it but I've some time to waste today :)
>
>
> Mike Pinder used Chamberlin, an M300 Mellotron and a very heavily modified
> MK II on Seventh Sojourn.
> The Chamberlin sounds cleaner on Seventh Sojourn only because it's an M
> series unit that has higher quality tape heads.
> The earlier Chamberlins don't necessarily sound cleaner than the Mellotron
> because there isn't standardized tape heads in many of them. Master tapes
> have less to do with it when the playback mechanism is an influence.
>
> The cellos on Isn't Life Strange and New Horizons are Chamberlin, but on
> other songs the sounds are interwoven with Mellotron M300 strings, which
> mask the Chamberlin vibrato.
>
> Chamberlin is commonly mistaken for real string sections on many records.
> This was by design for authenticity purposes and to a much lesser extent -
> to avoid the American Musicians Unions.
> In a mix, Chamberlin sounds are generally harder to discern than Mellotron
> sounds.
> You almost need to own a real Chamberlin to recognize them. Not all of the
> Chamberlin sounds have been released digitally.
>
> You're right about the Mellotron cellos being lower than the Chamberlin.
> Many of us here have both a real Chamberlin and Mellotron, and this was one
> of the first things that was noticeable. But not all 35 notes on the
> Chamberlin are used for every sound. For instance, the Male Voice and
> Female Voice singers couldn't sing that high. The upper few keys are blank,
> or have filler sounds on them. Other wind instrument sounds are like that
> too.
> If you have a full 35 notes or more for every Chamberlin sound in a digital
> keyboard or sample library, then the lowest and highest notes are either
> digitally pitched or occasionally can be from some other non-Chamberlin
> source.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Hal Moser <halmoser@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Check it out on Wikipedia and All Music. The sonic quality of the
> > Chamberlin is much cleaner than previous albums. He did use the mellotron
> > on some songs, but listen carefully, especially the cellos. With my new
> > Mellotron/Chamberlin, you can switch back and forth between sounds and you
> > can immediately tell the difference.
> >
> > *From:* tronbros <tronbros@...>
> > *To:* "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <
> > newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> > *Sent:* Friday, December 14, 2012 12:00 PM
> >
> > *Subject:* Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Here's something that you wont
> > want to miss out on
> > **
> >
> > I will take a listen but when Mike recorded Seventh S, he still had a MKII
> > and the M400 with the cello sound hadn't been released. Of course he could
> > have used an M300 with the early A tapes but his instrument had B tapes.
> > It's all so confusing and probably not worth it!
> >
> > M****
> > mellotronics.com on my iPad
> >
> >
> >
> > **On 14 Dec 2012, at 17:53, Hal Moser <halmoser@...> wrote:****
> >
> >
> > Sorry, but you're wrong. Mike Pinder used the Chamberlain on 7th
> > Soujourn. Listen for the cellos on "Isn't Life Strange". Mellotrn cellos
> > are an octive below the Chamberlain cellos and at the lower end of the
> > cellos, it switches to a "double bass". Richard Chamberlain said that Mike
> > bought a Chamberlain, but tried to re-wire it himself. Richard said that
> > they had to go in a fix the wiring because it was so messed up.
> >
> > *From:* tronbros <tronbros@...>
> > *To:* "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <
> > newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> > *Sent:* Friday, December 14, 2012 11:05 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Here's something that you wont
> > want to miss out on
> >
> > Just to be a pedant.......you won't find any mellotron cello on any
> > Moodies recordings.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > M
> > mellotronics.com on my iPad
> >
> >
> >
> > On 14 Dec 2012, at 16:36, Hammonddave <hammonddave2004@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > You can find them at http://www.vintagekeyboardsounds.com/. David Jacques
> > On Dec 14, 2012, at 12:59 AM, "markpringnz" <markpringnz@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > There are also some Mark II samples on ebay, which I think might be from
> > some one on the list.****--- In mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com<newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > lsf5275@ wrote:**>**> Who needs a real Mellotron now?**> **> _
> > http://www.ebay.com/itm/MELLOTRON-SAMPLES-Violin-Choir-Strings-Recorded-wit
> > **>
> > h-Neve-and-Neumann-u87-/150964280447?pt=US_Computer_Recording_Software&hash=
> > **> item23262c1c7f_ **> (
> > http://www.ebay.com/itm/MELLOTRON-SAMPLES-Violin-Choir-Strings-Recorded-with-Neve-and-Neumann-u87-/150964280447?pt=US_Computer_Recordin
> > **> g_Software&hash=item23262c1c7f)**>****
> >
> > ****
> >
> >
> >
>






--

Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE,
ReRED Recording, Analog Sound Design
Audio Mastering, Recording & Restoration, Logistics




Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Here's something that you wont want to miss out on

2012-12-15 by Mark

Why?

On Sunday, December 16, 2012, gino wong wrote:
 

That's funny  or sad



On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Mark Pring <mellotronmadness@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
 

Very nice.

From: thinkingalouduk <tron@thinking-aloud.co.uk>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 16 December 2012 7:30 AM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Here's something that you wont want to miss out on

 
A couple of years ago I was messing about with Chamberlin cello samples and recreated the opening of "Isn't Life Strange" just for fun... (The flute is real.)

Here it is if anyone's interested: http://thinking-aloud.co.uk/playsong.php?IsntLifeStrange

Owen

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@...> wrote:
>
> It isn't worth it but I've some time to waste today :)
>
>
> Mike Pinder used Chamberlin, an M300 Mellotron and a very heavily modified
> MK II on Seventh Sojourn.
> The Chamberlin sounds cleaner on Seventh Sojourn only because it's an M
> series unit that has higher quality tape heads.
> The earlier Chamberlins don't necessarily sound cleaner than the Mellotron
> because there isn't standardized tape heads in many of them. Master tapes
> have less to do with it when the playback mechanism is an influence.
>
> The cellos on Isn't Life Strange and New Horizons are Chamberlin, but on
> other songs the sounds are interwoven with Mellotron M300 strings, which
> mask the Chamberlin vibrato.
>
> Chamberlin is commonly mistaken for real string sections on many records.
> This was by design for authenticity purposes and to a much lesser extent -
> to avoid the American Musicians Unions.
> In a mix, Chamberlin sounds are generally harder to discern than Mellotron
> sounds.
> You almost need to own a real Chamberlin to recognize them. Not all of the
> Chamberlin sounds have been released digitally.
>
> You're right about the Mellotron cellos being lower than the Chamberlin.
> Many of us here have both a real Chamberlin and Mellotron, and this was one
> of the first things that was noticeable. But not all 35 notes on the
> Chamberlin are used for every sound. For instance, the Male Voice and
> Female Voice singers couldn't sing that high. The upper few keys are blank,
> or have filler sounds on them. Other wind instrument sounds are like that
> too.
> If you have a full 35 notes or more for every Chamberlin sound in a digital
> keyboard or sample library, then the lowest and highest notes are either
> digitally pitched or occasionally can be from some other non-Chamberlin
> source.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Hal Moser <halmoser@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Check it out on Wikipedia and All Music. The sonic quality of the
> > Chamberlin is much cleaner than previous albums. He did use the mellotron
> > on some songs, but listen carefully, especially the cellos. With my new
> > Mellotron/Chamberlin, you can switch back and forth between sounds and you
> > can immediately tell the difference.
> >
> > *From:* tronbros <tronbros@...>
> > *To:* "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <
> > newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> > *Sent:* Friday, December 14, 2012 12:00 PM
> >
> > *Subject:* Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Here's something that you wont
> > want to miss out on
> > **
> >
> > I will take a listen but when Mike recorded Seventh S, he still had a MKII
> > and the M400 with the cello sound hadn't been released. Of course he could
> > have used an M300 with the early A tapes but his instrument had B tapes.
> > It's all so confusing and probably not worth it!
> >
> > M****
> > mellotronics.com on my iPad
> >
> >
> >
> > **On 14 Dec 2012, at 17:53, Hal Moser <halmoser@...> wrote:****
> >
> >
> > Sorry, but you're wrong. Mike Pinder used the Chamberlain on 7th
> > Soujourn. Listen for the cellos on "Isn't Life Strange". Mellotrn cellos
> > are an octive below the Chamberlain cellos and at the lower end of the
> > cellos, it switches to a "double bass". Richard Chamberlain said that Mike
> > bought a Chamberlain, but tried to re-wire it himself. Richard said that
> > they had to go in a fix the wiring because it was so messed up.
> >
> > *From:* tronbros <tronbros@...>
> > *To:* "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <
> > newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> > *Sent:* Friday, December 14, 2012 11:05 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Here's something that you wont
> > want to miss out on
> >
> > Just to be a pedant.......you won't find any mellotron cello on any
> > Moodies recordings.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > M
> > mellotronics.com on my iPad
> >
> >
> >
> > On 14 Dec 2012, at 16:36, Hammonddave <hammonddave2004@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > You can find them at http://www.vintagekeyboardsounds.com/. David Jacques
> > On Dec 14, 2012, at 12:59 AM, "markpringnz" <markpringnz@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > There are also some Mark II samples on ebay, which I think might be from
> > some one on the list.****--- In mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com<newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > lsf5275@ wrote:**>**> Who needs a real Mellotron now?**> **> _
> > http://www.ebay.com/itm/MELLOTRON-SAMPLES-Violin-Choir-Strings-Recorded-wit
> > **>
> > h-Neve-and-Neumann-u87-/150964280447?pt=US_Computer_Recording_Software&hash=
> > **> item23262c1c7f_ **> (
> > http://www.ebay.com/itm/MELLOTRON-SAMPLES-Violin-Choir-Strings-Recorded-with-Neve-and-Neumann-u87-/150964280447?pt=US_Computer_Recordin
> > **> g_Software&hash=item23262c1c7f)**>****
> >
> > ****
> >
> >
> >
>






--

Gino Wong Birgelo
BSComm, BSEE,
ReRED Recording, Analog Sound Design
Audio Mastering, Recording & Restoration, Logistics