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2012-06-16 by marabus

Just curious if anyone's heard any new songs from them on the web with
Nearfest a week away?
Pete

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tron Spotting

2012-06-16 by JAMES STRAUSS

Was watching TV last night and stumbled onto VH-1 story tellers.

Grace Potter and the Nocturnals were introducing a new single....she started out saying thay were fooling around with an old Casio and a Mellotron in the studio and came up with this one...I didn't see a mellotron on the stage...but the iTunes single sounds like it may have one.

Vid on Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA_ode55DFA

VH-1 live version:

http://www.vh1.com/video/misc/789550/never-go-back-sneak-vh1-storytellers.jhtml

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tron Spotting- is it or isn't it?

2012-06-18 by JAMES STRAUSS

So I didn't think Grace Potter's band would use a 'Tron, but she said they did in the studio in Nashville.
and on stage, live?....at the begining at 0:16 it sounds like a synthesizer sound to me, but it looks like Scott is working a pitch knob where it would be on a Mellotron, .....and at the end at 3:37 the side view looks like a cabinet to a M400.
Is it, or isn't it?

--- On Sat, 6/16/12, JAMES STRAUSS <jandjstrz@verizon.net> wrote:

From: JAMES STRAUSS <jandjstrz@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tron Spotting
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, June 16, 2012, 11:44 AM

Was watching TV last night and stumbled onto VH-1 story tellers.

Grace Potter and the Nocturnals were introducing a new single....she started out saying thay were fooling around with an old Casio and a Mellotron in the studio and came up with this one...I didn't see a mellotron on the stage...but the iTunes single sounds like it may have one.

Vid on Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA_ode55DFA

VH-1 live version:

http://www.vh1.com/video/misc/789550/never-go-back-sneak-vh1-storytellers.jhtml

Re: Tron Spotting- is it or isn't it?

2012-06-18 by tron400

At 0:18, there's a blue flash on the control panel that could be from the digital readout on an M4000 or maybe just a reflection. Looks like it could be an M400 or an M4000. Who knows?

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, JAMES STRAUSS <jandjstrz@...> wrote:
>
> So I didn't think Grace Potter's band would use a 'Tron, but she said they did in the studio in Nashville.
> Â
> and on stage, live?....at the begining at 0:16 it sounds like a synthesizer sound to me, but it looks like Scott is working a pitch knob where it would be on a Mellotron, .....and at the end at 3:37Â the side view looks like a cabinet to a M400.
> Is it, or isn't it?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0S8f49ZR54
>
> --- On Sat, 6/16/12, JAMES STRAUSS <jandjstrz@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: JAMES STRAUSS <jandjstrz@...>
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tron Spotting
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, June 16, 2012, 11:44 AM
>
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Was watching TV last night and stumbled onto VH-1 story tellers.
> Grace Potter and the Nocturnals were introducing a new single....she started out saying thay were fooling around with an old Casio and a Mellotron in the studio and came up with this one...I didn't see a mellotron on the stage...but the iTunes single sounds like it may have one.
> Â
> Vid on Youtube:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA_ode55DFA
> VH-1 live version:
> http://www.vh1.com/video/misc/789550/never-go-back-sneak-vh1-storytellers.jhtml
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tron Spotting- is it or isn't it?

2012-06-18 by Tony

I think it’s an M400, but it seems taller, like the M4000, hmmm.
Good to see regardless!
Tony
From: tron400
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 10:04 PM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tron Spotting- is it or isn't it?

At 0:18, there's a blue flash on the control panel that could be from the digital readout on an M4000 or maybe just a reflection. Looks like it could be an M400 or an M4000. Who knows?

Bernie

--- In mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com, JAMES STRAUSS <jandjstrz@...> wrote:

>
> So I didn't think
Grace Potter's band would use a 'Tron, but she said they did in the studio in Nashville.
> Â
> and on stage, live?....at the begining at 0:16 it
sounds like a synthesizer sound to me, but it looks like Scott is working a pitch knob where it would be on a Mellotron, .....and at the end at 3:37Â the side view looks like a cabinet to a M400.
> Is it, or isn't it?
>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0S8f49ZR54
>
> --- On Sat, 6/16/12, JAMES STRAUSS <jandjstrz@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: JAMES STRAUSS <jandjstrz@...>
> Subject: Re:
[newmellotrongroup] Tron Spotting
> To:
href="mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com">mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com
>
Date: Saturday, June 16, 2012, 11:44 AM
>
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> Was watching TV last night and stumbled onto VH-1 story tellers.
> Grace Potter and the Nocturnals were introducing a new single....she
started out saying thay were fooling around with an old Casio and a Mellotron in the studio and came up with this one...I didn't see a mellotron on the stage...but the iTunes single sounds like it may have one.
> Â
> Vid on Youtube:
>
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA_ode55DFA">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA_ode55DFA
> VH-1 live version:
>
href="http://www.vh1.com/video/misc/789550/never-go-back-sneak-vh1-storytellers.jhtml">http://www.vh1.com/video/misc/789550/never-go-back-sneak-vh1-storytellers.jhtml
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tron Spotting- is it or isn't it?

2012-06-18 by Bruce Daily

It's an M400. At 0:19s the red cap on the power switch is visible. Neither the M4000 or M400D have one. You can just see it if your cursor isn't on the youtube control bar.
I wonder what the voice is? Clarinet? It sounds square-wavish.
-Bruce D.

From: Tony <atm655@verizon.net>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tron Spotting- is it or isn't it?

I think it’s an M400, but it seems taller, like the M4000, hmmm.
Good to see regardless!
Tony
From: tron400
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 10:04 PM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tron Spotting- is it or isn't it?
At 0:18, there's a blue flash on the control panel that could be from the digital readout on an M4000 or maybe just a reflection. Looks like it could be an M400 or an M4000. Who knows?

Bernie

--- In mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com, JAMES STRAUSS <jandjstrz@...> wrote:
>
> So I didn't think
Grace Potter's band would use a 'Tron, but she said they did in the studio in Nashville.
> Â
> and on stage, live?....at the begining at 0:16 it
sounds like a synthesizer sound to me, but it looks like Scott is working a pitch knob where it would be on a Mellotron, .....and at the end at 3:37Â the side view looks like a cabinet to a M400.
> Is it, or isn't it?
>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0S8f49ZR54
>
> --- On Sat, 6/16/12, JAMES STRAUSS <jandjstrz@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: JAMES STRAUSS <jandjstrz@...>
> Subject: Re:
[newmellotrongroup] Tron Spotting
> To: mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com
>
Date: Saturday, June 16, 2012, 11:44 AM
>
>
>
>
Â
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Was watching TV last night and stumbled onto VH-1 story tellers.
> Grace Potter and the Nocturnals were introducing a new single....she
started out saying thay were fooling around with an old Casio and a Mellotron in the studio and came up with this one...I didn't see a mellotron on the stage...but the iTunes single sounds like it may have one.
> Â
> Vid on Youtube:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA_ode55DFA
> VH-1 live version:
> http://www.vh1.com/video/misc/789550/never-go-back-sneak-vh1-storytellers.jhtml
>



Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tron Spotting- is it or isn't it?

2012-06-18 by Chris Dale

Look like Brian Kehew loaned them his purple 400.
It's standard strings through a pedal probably.

On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:42 AM, Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com> wrote:

It's an M400. At 0:19s the red cap on the power switch is visible. Neither the M4000 or M400D have one. You can just see it if your cursor isn't on the youtube control bar.
I wonder what the voice is? Clarinet? It sounds square-wavish.
-Bruce D.

From: Tony <atm655@verizon.net>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tron Spotting- is it or isn't it?

I think it’s an M400, but it seems taller, like the M4000, hmmm.
Good to see regardless!
Tony
From: tron400
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 10:04 PM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tron Spotting- is it or isn't it?
At 0:18, there's a blue flash on the control panel that could be from the digital readout on an M4000 or maybe just a reflection. Looks like it could be an M400 or an M4000. Who knows?

Bernie

--- In mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com, JAMES STRAUSS <jandjstrz@...> wrote:
>
> So I didn't think Grace Potter's band would use a 'Tron, but she said they did in the studio in Nashville.
> Â
> and on stage, live?....at the begining at 0:16 it sounds like a synthesizer sound to me, but it looks like Scott is working a pitch knob where it would be on a Mellotron, .....and at the end at 3:37Â the side view looks like a cabinet to a M400.
> Is it, or isn't it?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0S8f49ZR54
>
> --- On Sat, 6/16/12, JAMES STRAUSS <jandjstrz@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: JAMES STRAUSS <jandjstrz@...>
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Tron Spotting
> To: mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, June 16, 2012, 11:44 AM
>
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Was watching TV last night and stumbled onto VH-1 story tellers.
> Grace Potter and the Nocturnals were introducing a new single....she started out saying thay were fooling around with an old Casio and a Mellotron in the studio and came up with this one...I didn't see a mellotron on the stage...but the iTunes single sounds like it may have one.
> Â
> Vid on Youtube:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA_ode55DFA
> VH-1 live version:
> http://www.vh1.com/video/misc/789550/never-go-back-sneak-vh1-storytellers.jhtml
>




Rick Wakeman on Oscar Peterson's Piano Party Feb 1976

2012-06-20 by Robert

For you Rick Wakeman and / or Oscar Peterson fans, I thought you might enjoy this YouTube - audio only post. Rick does play the Mellotron in it and there is a brief discussion on the various keyboards that he uses. Then, Oscar apparently plays the Mini Moog, etc. as Rick manipulates the controls.

Robert

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9z5ouOpvBE




Re: Rick Wakeman on Oscar Peterson's Piano Party Feb 1976

2012-06-20 by ClayE

Six mellotron voices. He is probably playing the wake-o-tron double M400 one capstan thing. Strings/brass/flute - vibes/cello/choir

Chris? What say you?

Clay

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Robert <rmrmax@...> wrote:
>
> For you Rick Wakeman and / or Oscar Peterson fans, I thought you might enjoy this YouTube - audio only post. Rick does play the Mellotron in it and there is a brief discussion on the various keyboards that he uses. Then, Oscar apparently plays the Mini Moog, etc. as Rick manipulates the controls.
>
>
> Robert
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9z5ouOpvBE
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> >
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Rick Wakeman on Oscar Peterson's Piano Party Feb 1976

2012-06-20 by Hammonddave

He set up back then was two Mellotron 400's

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 20, 2012, at 12:15, "ClayE" <ecclesreinson@rogers.com> wrote:

Six mellotron voices. He is probably playing the wake-o-tron double M400 one capstan thing. Strings/brass/flute - vibes/cello/choir

Chris? What say you?

Clay

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Robert <rmrmax@...> wrote:
>
> For you Rick Wakeman and / or Oscar Peterson fans, I thought you might enjoy this YouTube - audio only post. Rick does play the Mellotron in it and there is a brief discussion on the various keyboards that he uses. Then, Oscar apparently plays the Mini Moog, etc. as Rick manipulates the controls.
>
>
> Robert
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9z5ouOpvBE
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> >
>

=

Re: Rick Wakeman on Oscar Peterson's Piano Party Feb 1976

2012-06-20 by ClayE

Two flywheels back to back tied together with springs:
http://www.kleonard.com/mellotron/tronto0901/images/tm2-10.jpg


--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "ClayE" <ecclesreinson@...> wrote:
>
> Chris Dale owns it. One motor, two capstans and a u-joint in the middle. Bizarre.
>
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Tom Doncourt <tomdcour@> wrote:
> >
> > Pretty sure it had two capstans, basically two tron frames in one cab Clay.
> >
>

RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Rick Wakeman on Oscar Peterson's Piano Party Feb 1976

2012-06-20 by R l

Incredible job !!!

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
From: ecclesreinson@rogers.com
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:49:38 +0000
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Rick Wakeman on Oscar Peterson's Piano Party Feb 1976

Two flywheels back to back tied together with springs:
http://www.kleonard.com/mellotron/tronto0901/images/tm2-10.jpg

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "ClayE" <ecclesreinson@...> wrote:
>
> Chris Dale owns it. One motor, two capstans and a u-joint in the middle. Bizarre.
>
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Tom Doncourt <tomdcour@> wrote:
> >
> > Pretty sure it had two capstans, basically two tron frames in one cab Clay.
> >
>


Re: Tron Spotting- is it or isn't it?

2012-06-21 by Sean

The Ellen D one is certainly Kehew's purple 400. I got to play it a couple of years ago after the debut for Mellodrama and Moodies at Isle of Wight was all over. I think there's photos of me noodling on it somewhere other than facebook. On Ellen D it's certainly the violins, which Pinder lightly complained about sounding pretty bad that night at the Egyptian.

The VH-1 live video doesn't look like any mellotron I know of with the vertical pieces of wood on each end and obvious gap underneath. But I'm pretty sure that's the flutes sound.

-Sean

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@...> wrote:
>
>  It's an M400. At 0:19s the red cap on the power switch is visible. Neither the M4000 or M400D have one. You can just see it if your cursor isn't on the youtube control bar.
>  I wonder what the voice is? Clarinet? It sounds square-wavish.
> Â
> Â Â -Bruce D.
> Â
> Â
> Â
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Tony <atm655@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 8:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tron Spotting- is it or isn't it?
>
>
>
> Â
>
> I think it’s an M400, but it seems taller, like the
> M4000, hmmm.
> Good to see regardless!
> Tony
>
>
> From: tron400
> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 10:04 PM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Tron Spotting- is it or isn't
> it?
>
> Â
> At 0:18, there's a blue flash on the control panel that could be from the
> digital readout on an M4000 or maybe just a reflection. Looks like it could be
> an M400 or an M4000. Who knows?
>
> Bernie
>
> --- In mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com,
> JAMES STRAUSS <jandjstrz@> wrote:
> >
> > So I didn't think
> Grace Potter's band would use a 'Tron, but she said they did in the studio in
> Nashville.
> > Â
> > and on stage, live?....at the begining at 0:16 it
> sounds like a synthesizer sound to me, but it looks like Scott is working a
> pitch knob where it would be on a Mellotron, .....and at the end at 3:37Â the
> side view looks like a cabinet to a M400.
> > Is it, or isn't it?
> >
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0S8f49ZR54
> >
> > --- On Sat, 6/16/12, JAMES STRAUSS <jandjstrz@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: JAMES STRAUSS <jandjstrz@>
> > Subject: Re:
> [newmellotrongroup] Tron Spotting
> > To: mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com
> >
> Date: Saturday, June 16, 2012, 11:44 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ÂÂ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Was watching TV last night and stumbled onto VH-1 story tellers.
> > Grace Potter and the Nocturnals were introducing a new single....she
> started out saying thay were fooling around with an old Casio and a Mellotron in
> the studio and came up with this one...I didn't see a mellotron on the
> stage...but the iTunes single sounds like it may have one.
> > ÂÂ
> > Vid on Youtube:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA_ode55DFA
> > VH-1 live version:
> > http://www.vh1.com/video/misc/789550/never-go-back-sneak-vh1-storytellers.jhtml
> >
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Rick Wakeman on Oscar Peterson's Piano Party Feb 1976

2012-06-21 by marabus

Robert,
Thanks for the tip!
Pete

On 6/20/12 1:50 PM, Robert wrote:
For you Rick Wakeman and / or Oscar Peterson fans, I thought you might enjoy this YouTube - audio only post. Rick does play the Mellotron in it and there is a brief discussion on the various keyboards that he uses. Then, Oscar apparently plays the Mini Moog, etc. as Rick manipulates the controls.

Robert

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Rick Wakeman on Oscar Peterson's Piano Party Feb 1976

2012-06-21 by Paul Marshall

Hey I'm intrigued, always wanted to know more about the Wake-O-Tron. Any more photos of it available to view?
Paul M
M400 #1380



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Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Rick Wakeman on Oscar Peterson's Piano Party Feb 1976

2012-06-22 by Chris Dale

Hi Clay / everyone.


Yes (pun intended) its seems to be the Double Tron. There's a part in the audio where Rick says ' and on the other side' - referring to the other left side keyboard.

Also -the sounds are in those configurations on each side of the instrument.

In several conversations and e-mails with Wakeman, he told me he used the configurated Double Tron for everything after 1972.
Supposedly it was where the original idea for the MK V model came.




On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 3:15 AM, ClayE <ecclesreinson@rogers.com> wrote:

Six mellotron voices. He is probably playing the wake-o-tron double M400 one capstan thing. Strings/brass/flute - vibes/cello/choir

Chris? What say you?

Clay

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Robert <rmrmax@...> wrote:
>
> For you Rick Wakeman and / or Oscar Peterson fans, I thought you might enjoy this YouTube - audio only post. Rick does play the Mellotron in it and there is a brief discussion on the various keyboards that he uses. Then, Oscar apparently plays the Mini Moog, etc. as Rick manipulates the controls.
>
>
> Robert
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9z5ouOpvBE
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> >
>


Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Rick Wakeman on Oscar Peterson's Piano Party Feb 1976

2012-06-22 by Bruce Daily

Hey Chris-
Did you keep the spring connection between the flywheels, or did you have it modified somehow?
-Bruce Daily

From: Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Rick Wakeman on Oscar Peterson's Piano Party Feb 1976

Hi Clay / everyone.


Yes (pun intended) its seems to be the Double Tron. There's a part in the audio where Rick says ' and on the other side' - referring to the other left side keyboard.

Also -the sounds are in those configurations on each side of the instrument.

In several conversations and e-mails with Wakeman, he told me he used the configurated Double Tron for everything after 1972.
Supposedly it was where the original idea for the MK V model came.




On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 3:15 AM, ClayE <ecclesreinson@rogers.com> wrote:
Six mellotron voices. He is probably playing the wake-o-tron double M400 one capstan thing. Strings/brass/flute - vibes/cello/choir

Chris? What say you?

Clay

--- In mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com, Robert <rmrmax@...> wrote:
>
> For you Rick Wakeman and / or Oscar Peterson fans, I thought you might enjoy this YouTube - audio only post. Rick does play the Mellotron in it and there is a brief discussion on the various keyboards that he uses. Then, Oscar apparently plays the Mini Moog, etc. as Rick manipulates the controls.
>
>
> Robert
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9z5ouOpvBE
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> >
>




Re: Rick Wakeman on Oscar Peterson's Piano Party Feb 1976

2012-06-23 by frobisher_neck

Hello All,

Interesting to hear that clip, and to also spot (just after Rick Wakeman was playing the Hallelujah Chorus snippet on the 8-choir) Oscar Peterson saying "I happen to love this particular instrument, I use it for writing". I'd like to know whether he ever recorded with it...

Aside from that, elsewhere there is also a very short clip of what I think is the Wake-O-Tron (certainly looks like it from that modified control panel), used as part of an episode from the old BBC series from the 80s, "Rock School" (which is quite entertaining viewing in places anyway) - the keyboardist mentions it around the 6 mins 50 mark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZXY7DJJKWk . Closely followed by Tony Banks, shall we say, 'waxing lyrical' about his old MkII.

Does anyone here know where that footage Rock School used might have come from originally?


Regards,

Tony


http://www.frobisherneck.com/



--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Clay / everyone.
>
>
> Yes (pun intended) its seems to be the Double Tron. There's a part in the
> audio where Rick says ' and on the other side' - referring to the other
> left side keyboard.
>
> Also -the sounds are in those configurations on each side of the
> instrument.
>
> In several conversations and e-mails with Wakeman, he told me he used the
> configurated Double Tron for everything after 1972.
> Supposedly it was where the original idea for the MK V model came.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 3:15 AM, ClayE <ecclesreinson@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Six mellotron voices. He is probably playing the wake-o-tron double M400
> > one capstan thing. Strings/brass/flute - vibes/cello/choir
> >
> > Chris? What say you?
> >
> > Clay
> >
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Robert <rmrmax@> wrote:
> > >
> > > For you Rick Wakeman and / or Oscar Peterson fans, I thought you might
> > enjoy this YouTube - audio only post. Rick does play the Mellotron in it
> > and there is a brief discussion on the various keyboards that he uses.Â
> > Then, Oscar apparently plays the Mini Moog, etc. as Rick manipulates the
> > controls.
> > >
> > >
> > > Robert
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9z5ouOpvBE
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Rick Wakeman on Oscar Peterson's Piano Party Feb 1976

2012-06-23 by Chris Dale


Well there's this.
The rest I've got to go looking for as I stupidly didn't label the files properly on my computer.

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Paul Marshall <paulm@spudley.force9.net> wrote:

Hey I'm intrigued, always wanted to know more about the Wake-O-Tron. Any more photos of it available to view?
Paul M
M400 #1380



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Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Rick Wakeman on Oscar Peterson's Piano Party Feb 1976

2012-06-23 by Chris Dale

I think it came from some program special on Wakeman and Yes. It's definitely early 70's.
I had got a VHS copy of Rockschool and taped just that footage of it back when I was restoring it and needed to verify authenticity for insurance purposes.


On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 6:55 AM, frobisher_neck <mellotron_head@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:



Does anyone here know where that footage Rock School used might have come from originally?

Regards,

Tony

http://www.frobisherneck.com/



--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Clay / everyone.
>
>
> Yes (pun intended) its seems to be the Double Tron. There's a part in the
> audio where Rick says ' and on the other side' - referring to the other
> left side keyboard.
>
> Also -the sounds are in those configurations on each side of the
> instrument.
>
> In several conversations and e-mails with Wakeman, he told me he used the
> configurated Double Tron for everything after 1972.
> Supposedly it was where the original idea for the MK V model came.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 3:15 AM, ClayE <ecclesreinson@...> wrote:
>
> > **

> >
> >
> > Six mellotron voices. He is probably playing the wake-o-tron double M400
> > one capstan thing. Strings/brass/flute - vibes/cello/choir
> >
> > Chris? What say you?
> >
> > Clay
> >
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Robert <rmrmax@> wrote:
> > >
> > > For you Rick Wakeman and / or Oscar Peterson fans, I thought you might
> > enjoy this YouTube - audio only post. Rick does play the Mellotron in it
> > and there is a brief discussion on the various keyboards that he uses.Â
> > Then, Oscar apparently plays the Mini Moog, etc. as Rick manipulates the
> > controls.
> > >
> > >
> > > Robert
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9z5ouOpvBE
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>


Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Rick Wakeman on Oscar Peterson's Piano Party Feb 1976

2012-06-23 by Chris Dale


Hi Bruce:
I kept the spring connections on it. I didn't modify it because I was told it should remain as original as possible for legally authenticating it for insurance reasons. And authenticating it for insurance was already becoming a big project itself - a bit of a nightmare actually.
It could be made better, but then I would be affecting the historical value - apparently. I think the legalities differ from country to country.
Streetly, Jerry Korb, and myself only ever did the minor necessary fixes to it.
When the electronics were repaired / reworked we used only the original parts that were already present.
It would have been easier and sensible even to replace everything and start anew, but the electronics and parts were already changed to be unique to this machine, so we decided to clean up and repair everything to leave as it was originally modified. That took much longer to do of course. There was also a fear that using regular Mellotron replacement electronics wouldn't work. It was either 'keep it as originally modified' or start over again from scratch.
I remember even scraping rust off all the screws / dipping in rust remover instead of just replacing them - that also was a nightmare. I didn't have proper tools at the time.
I gotta laugh. Even the re-paint had the scrapings of the original paint in it! That was someone else's suggestion but the decision to actually do that was a bit ridiculous maybe.
I guess that's somehow pedantic in keeping with Yes.
The sound is different from the other 400's. In fact, if I put on Topographic Oceans, then play each of the 3 Mellotrons along to certain passages of it - then ask people (not in the know of course) the question : "which Mellotron from this group of 3 machines is being used on this record?" People can guess the double tron most of the time.
Wakeman told me they had the tapes re-equed and the mistakes removed. For instance there is no thud at the end of the cello's highest note. There are other differences too. The low cello is not as boomy for instance. The vibes have no vibrato.
They almost seem to be taken from alternate versions of the tapes. Mellotronics in London did the job.
The two 400 keyboards in a black cabinet is supposedly where the idea for making the MKV originally came from.
Wakeman's high profile (at that time) apparently legitimized the demand for a double machine again.
I have to say that if I didn't have the combined help from Jerry Korb, Martin and John at Streetly, Dave Kean and Markus - then that machine likely never would have been fixed.
Whether it was their time, advice, a mechanical part, a production certificate, a hand-drawn schematic of the electronics etc. - every one of them contributed some resource or element that the other couldn't have or didn't have access to. I can almost say it's the one Mellotron everyone worked together on to help fix!
I'll always be thankful for that.
Each member of Yes (era 1973) has also autographed it under the lid. That was actually a necessary part of authenticating it. Jon Anderson couldn't believe the amount of work that went into restoring it. Roger Dean (with a pained expression) said "Why bother?" Wakeman's mentions the whole process infrequently in online interviews when asked 'what happened to your old Mellotrons?'.
I guess I'll end this long e-mail by saying I have both fond and horrible memories in getting it restored.

On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hey Chris-
Did you keep the spring connection between the flywheels, or did you have it modified somehow?
-Bruce Daily

From: Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Rick Wakeman on Oscar Peterson's Piano Party Feb 1976

Hi Clay / everyone.


Yes (pun intended) its seems to be the Double Tron. There's a part in the audio where Rick says ' and on the other side' - referring to the other left side keyboard.

Also -the sounds are in those configurations on each side of the instrument.

In several conversations and e-mails with Wakeman, he told me he used the configurated Double Tron for everything after 1972.
Supposedly it was where the original idea for the MK V model came.




On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 3:15 AM, ClayE <ecclesreinson@rogers.com> wrote:
Six mellotron voices. He is probably playing the wake-o-tron double M400 one capstan thing. Strings/brass/flute - vibes/cello/choir

Chris? What say you?

Clay

--- In mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com, Robert <rmrmax@...> wrote:
>
> For you Rick Wakeman and / or Oscar Peterson fans, I thought you might enjoy this YouTube - audio only post. Rick does play the Mellotron in it and there is a brief discussion on the various keyboards that he uses. Then, Oscar apparently plays the Mini Moog, etc. as Rick manipulates the controls.
>
>
> Robert
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9z5ouOpvBE
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> >
>





Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Rick Wakeman on Oscar Peterson's Piano Party Feb 1976

2012-06-23 by Bruce Daily

Thank you, Chris!
-Bruce D.

From: Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Rick Wakeman on Oscar Peterson's Piano Party Feb 1976


Hi Bruce:
I kept the spring connections on it. I didn't modify it because I was told it should remain as original as possible for legally authenticating it for insurance reasons. And authenticating it for insurance was already becoming a big project itself - a bit of a nightmare actually.
It could be made better, but then I would be affecting the historical value - apparently. I think the legalities differ from country to country.
Streetly, Jerry Korb, and myself only ever did the minor necessary fixes to it.
When the electronics were repaired / reworked we used only the original parts that were already present.
It would have been easier and sensible even to replace everything and start anew, but the electronics and parts were already changed to be unique to this machine, so we decided to clean up and repair everything to leave as it was originally modified. That took much longer to do of course. There was also a fear that using regular Mellotron replacement electronics wouldn't work. It was either 'keep it as originally modified' or start over again from scratch.
I remember even scraping rust off all the screws / dipping in rust remover instead of just replacing them - that also was a nightmare. I didn't have proper tools at the time.
I gotta laugh. Even the re-paint had the scrapings of the original paint in it! That was someone else's suggestion but the decision to actually do that was a bit ridiculous maybe.
I guess that's somehow pedantic in keeping with Yes.
The sound is different from the other 400's. In fact, if I put on Topographic Oceans, then play each of the 3 Mellotrons along to certain passages of it - then ask people (not in the know of course) the question : "which Mellotron from this group of 3 machines is being used on this record?" People can guess the double tron most of the time.
Wakeman told me they had the tapes re-equed and the mistakes removed. For instance there is no thud at the end of the cello's highest note. There are other differences too. The low cello is not as boomy for instance. The vibes have no vibrato.
They almost seem to be taken from alternate versions of the tapes. Mellotronics in London did the job.
The two 400 keyboards in a black cabinet is supposedly where the idea for making the MKV originally came from.
Wakeman's high profile (at that time) apparently legitimized the demand for a double machine again.
I have to say that if I didn't have the combined help from Jerry Korb, Martin and John at Streetly, Dave Kean and Markus - then that machine likely never would have been fixed.
Whether it was their time, advice, a mechanical part, a production certificate, a hand-drawn schematic of the electronics etc. - every one of them contributed some resource or element that the other couldn't have or didn't have access to. I can almost say it's the one Mellotron everyone worked together on to help fix!
I'll always be thankful for that.
Each member of Yes (era 1973) has also autographed it under the lid. That was actually a necessary part of authenticating it. Jon Anderson couldn't believe the amount of work that went into restoring it. Roger Dean (with a pained expression) said "Why bother?" Wakeman's mentions the whole process infrequently in online interviews when asked 'what happened to your old Mellotrons?'.
I guess I'll end this long e-mail by saying I have both fond and horrible memories in getting it restored.

On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Bruce Daily <pocotron@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hey Chris-
Did you keep the spring connection between the flywheels, or did you have it modified somehow?
-Bruce Daily

From: Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Rick Wakeman on Oscar Peterson's Piano Party Feb 1976

Hi Clay / everyone.


Yes (pun intended) its seems to be the Double Tron. There's a part in the audio where Rick says ' and on the other side' - referring to the other left side keyboard.

Also -the sounds are in those configurations on each side of the instrument.

In several conversations and e-mails with Wakeman, he told me he used the configurated Double Tron for everything after 1972.
Supposedly it was where the original idea for the MK V model came.




On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 3:15 AM, ClayE <ecclesreinson@rogers.com> wrote:
Six mellotron voices. He is probably playing the wake-o-tron double M400 one capstan thing. Strings/brass/flute - vibes/cello/choir

Chris? What say you?

Clay

--- In mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com, Robert <rmrmax@...> wrote:
>
> For you Rick Wakeman and / or Oscar Peterson fans, I thought you might enjoy this YouTube - audio only post. Rick does play the Mellotron in it and there is a brief discussion on the various keyboards that he uses. Then, Oscar apparently plays the Mini Moog, etc. as Rick manipulates the controls.
>
>
> Robert
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9z5ouOpvBE
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> >
>