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St John's Wood Church Organ

St John's Wood Church Organ

2012-03-27 by PJ12

Hi All
I popped in to the church today to have a look at the organ I have so much fun with (no, I mean the other one). Must get to hear it some time.
I read on t'internet that this is not the original 1862 one but a replacement installed 1912, if anyone cares about such tedious trivia.
Does anyone know when the recordings were made, and was it on the Mk1 and Mk11?
Paul

Re: [newmellotrongroup] St John's Wood Church Organ

2012-03-27 by tronbros

Hi Paul,

The recording was made around 70/71 and was released in the M400 catalogue. Far too late for the MKII.

Best,


On 27 Mar 2012, at 22:41, "PJ12" <pj4000@btinternet.com> wrote:

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Hi All
I popped in to the church today to have a look at the organ I have so much fun with (no, I mean the other one). Must get to hear it some time.
I read on t'internet that this is not the original 1862 one but a replacement installed 1912, if anyone cares about such tedious trivia.
Does anyone know when the recordings were made, and was it on the Mk1 and Mk11?
Paul

Re: [newmellotrongroup] St John's Wood Church Organ

2012-03-28 by Chris Dale

Isn't the church organ part on Close To The Edge the St John's Wood Mellotron sound ?


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On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 6:11 PM, tronbros <tronbros@aol.com> wrote:

Hi Paul,

The recording was made around 70/71 and was released in the M400 catalogue. Far too late for the MKII.

Best,


On 27 Mar 2012, at 22:41, "PJ12" <pj4000@btinternet.com> wrote:

Hi All
I popped in to the church today to have a look at the organ I have so much fun with (no, I mean the other one). Must get to hear it some time.
I read on t'internet that this is not the original 1862 one but a replacement installed 1912, if anyone cares about such tedious trivia.
Does anyone know when the recordings were made, and was it on the Mk1 and Mk11?
Paul

Re: [newmellotrongroup] St John's Wood Church Organ

2012-03-28 by Tom Doncourt

I'm pretty sure it's not- don't have the album here but I rememeber the credits saying where he recorded it...
.
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On Mar 28, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Chris Dale wrote:


Isn't the church organ part on Close To The Edge the St John's Wood Mellotron sound ?


On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 6:11 PM, tronbros <tronbros@aol.com> wrote:

Hi Paul,

The recording was made around 70/71 and was released in the M400 catalogue. Far too late for the MKII.

Best,


On 27 Mar 2012, at 22:41, "PJ12" <pj4000@btinternet.com> wrote:

Hi All
I popped in to the church today to have a look at the organ I have so much fun with (no, I mean the other one). Must get to hear it some time.
I read on t'internet that this is not the original 1862 one but a replacement installed 1912, if anyone cares about such tedious trivia.
Does anyone know when the recordings were made, and was it on the Mk1 and Mk11?
Paul





Re: [newmellotrongroup] St John's Wood Church Organ

2012-03-28 by tronbros

Who are you asking? I hate YES.

Best,


On 28 Mar 2012, at 16:43, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com> wrote:

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Isn't the church organ part on Close To The Edge the St John's Wood Mellotron sound ?


On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 6:11 PM, tronbros <tronbros@aol.com> wrote:

Hi Paul,

The recording was made around 70/71 and was released in the M400 catalogue. Far too late for the MKII.

Best,


On 27 Mar 2012, at 22:41, "PJ12" <pj4000@btinternet.com> wrote:

Hi All
I popped in to the church today to have a look at the organ I have so much fun with (no, I mean the other one). Must get to hear it some time.
I read on t'internet that this is not the original 1862 one but a replacement installed 1912, if anyone cares about such tedious trivia.
Does anyone know when the recordings were made, and was it on the Mk1 and Mk11?
Paul


Re: St John's Wood Church Organ

2012-03-28 by ClayE

The pipe organ used for Close to the Edge, as well as for Six wives, is located at the Church of St. Giles Cripplegate, London.

On GFTO RW used the Saint Martin's pipe organ in Vevey Switzerland.



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--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Tom Doncourt <tomdcour@...> wrote:
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> I'm pretty sure it's not- don't have the album here but I rememeber the credits saying where he recorded it...
> .
> On Mar 28, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Chris Dale wrote:
>
>
>
> Isn't the church organ part on Close To The Edge the St John's Wood Mellotron sound ?
>
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>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 6:11 PM, tronbros <tronbros@...<mailto:tronbros@...>> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> The recording was made around 70/71 and was released in the M400 catalogue. Far too late for the MKII.
>
> Best,
>
> M
>
> mellotronics.co.uk<http://mellotronics.co.uk/>
>
>
>
> On 27 Mar 2012, at 22:41, "PJ12" <pj4000@...<mailto:pj4000@...>> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi All
> I popped in to the church today to have a look at the organ I have so much fun with (no, I mean the other one). Must get to hear it some time.
> I read on t'internet that this is not the original 1862 one but a replacement installed 1912, if anyone cares about such tedious trivia.
> Does anyone know when the recordings were made, and was it on the Mk1 and Mk11?
> Paul
>

Re: St John's Wood Church Organ

2012-03-28 by tron400

How about the live version? It sounds like a pipe organ.

Bernie

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--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "ClayE" <ecclesreinson@...> wrote:
>
> The pipe organ used for Close to the Edge, as well as for Six wives, is located at the Church of St. Giles Cripplegate, London.
>
> On GFTO RW used the Saint Martin's pipe organ in Vevey Switzerland.
>
>
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Tom Doncourt <tomdcour@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm pretty sure it's not- don't have the album here but I rememeber the credits saying where he recorded it...
> > .
> > On Mar 28, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Chris Dale wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Isn't the church organ part on Close To The Edge the St John's Wood Mellotron sound ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 6:11 PM, tronbros <tronbros@<mailto:tronbros@>> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi Paul,
> >
> > The recording was made around 70/71 and was released in the M400 catalogue. Far too late for the MKII.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > M
> >
> > mellotronics.co.uk<http://mellotronics.co.uk/>
> >
> >
> >
> > On 27 Mar 2012, at 22:41, "PJ12" <pj4000@<mailto:pj4000@>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi All
> > I popped in to the church today to have a look at the organ I have so much fun with (no, I mean the other one). Must get to hear it some time.
> > I read on t'internet that this is not the original 1862 one but a replacement installed 1912, if anyone cares about such tedious trivia.
> > Does anyone know when the recordings were made, and was it on the Mk1 and Mk11?
> > Paul
> >
>

Re: St John's Wood Church Organ

2012-03-28 by ClayE

You just need a double dose of Topographic Oceans.


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--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, tronbros <tronbros@...> wrote:
>
> Who are you asking? I hate YES.
>
> Best,
>
> M
>
> mellotronics.co.uk
>
>
>
> On 28 Mar 2012, at 16:43, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@...> wrote:
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> > Isn't the church organ part on Close To The Edge the St John's Wood Mellotron sound ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 6:11 PM, tronbros <tronbros@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Paul,
> >
> > The recording was made around 70/71 and was released in the M400 catalogue. Far too late for the MKII.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > M
> >
> > mellotronics.co.uk
> >
> >
> >
> > On 27 Mar 2012, at 22:41, "PJ12" <pj4000@...> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hi All
> >> I popped in to the church today to have a look at the organ I have so much fun with (no, I mean the other one). Must get to hear it some time.
> >> I read on t'internet that this is not the original 1862 one but a replacement installed 1912, if anyone cares about such tedious trivia.
> >> Does anyone know when the recordings were made, and was it on the Mk1 and Mk11?
> >> Paul
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>

RE: [newmellotrongroup] St John's Wood Church Organ

2012-03-28 by Gary Brumm

Hey Martin, You shouldn’t hate the band that is probably most responsible for the Mellotron being known by the ordinary musician.

I am sure they influenced many of the sales in the old days.

….But that is NOT a Mellotron doing the pipes on CTTE…..it’s a synth live and the real deal on the album.

I saw it preformed many times.

Cheers,

Gary

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tronbros
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:13 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] St John's Wood Church Organ

Who are you asking? I hate YES.

Best,


On 28 Mar 2012, at 16:43, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com> wrote:

Isn't the church organ part on Close To The Edge the St John's Wood Mellotron sound ?



On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 6:11 PM, tronbros <tronbros@aol.com> wrote:

Hi Paul,

The recording was made around 70/71 and was released in the M400 catalogue. Far too late for the MKII.

Best,


On 27 Mar 2012, at 22:41, "PJ12" <pj4000@btinternet.com> wrote:

Hi All
I popped in to the church today to have a look at the organ I have so much fun with (no, I mean the other one). Must get to hear it some time.
I read on t'internet that this is not the original 1862 one but a replacement installed 1912, if anyone cares about such tedious trivia.
Does anyone know when the recordings were made, and was it on the Mk1 and Mk11?
Paul

Yes - Close To The Edge

2012-03-28 by Robert

I agree with you Gary....

I don't understand all the bashing of Yes's & the Moodie's earlier recordings on this list. These groups are a bit pretentious but, so what ?

Thanks to these groups and many others, I got into Henry Cow, Terje Rypdal, Universe Zero, John Coltrane, Billie Holiday, Jackie Mclean, Lester Young, Antonio Carlos Jobim, Bill Evans, Stravinsky, Shostakovich, Part, Luigi Nono, etc......

Below is CTTE, Part 2. To me, it looks like RW is playing his Hammond organ starting @ 2:54.

Robert

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uZPdour-j0&feature=related

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From: Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 2:11 PM
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] St John's Wood Church Organ

Hey Martin, You shouldn’t hate the band that is probably most responsible for the Mellotron being known by the ordinary musician.
I am sure they influenced many of the sales in the old days.
….But that is NOT a Mellotron doing the pipes on CTTE…..it’s a synth live and the real deal on the album.
I saw it preformed many times.
Cheers,
Gary
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tronbros
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:13 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] St John's Wood Church Organ
Who are you asking? I hate YES.
Best,

On 28 Mar 2012, at 16:43, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com> wrote:
Isn't the church organ part on Close To The Edge the St John's Wood Mellotron sound ?


On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 6:11 PM, tronbros <tronbros@aol.com> wrote:
Hi Paul,
The recording was made around 70/71 and was released in the M400 catalogue. Far too late for the MKII.
Best,

On 27 Mar 2012, at 22:41, "PJ12" <pj4000@btinternet.com> wrote:
Hi All
I popped in to the church today to have a look at the organ I have so much fun with (no, I mean the other one). Must get to hear it some time.
I read on t'internet that this is not the original 1862 one but a replacement installed 1912, if anyone cares about such tedious trivia.
Does anyone know when the recordings were made, and was it on the Mk1 and Mk11?
Paul


Re: [newmellotrongroup] Yes - Close To The Edge

2012-03-28 by tronbros

I didn't bash them - I just can't stand them. It's personal choice, nothing more. They are well respected but I can't force myself to like them because they used a mellotron. So did Pavlov's Dog and Czar. Neither of them get played around here. In truth, I would probably hate most of the bands that Andy documents on his site. Mellotrons inspired a LOT of non musicians and lousy composers. That grandiose sound gave credence to a lot of weak musical ideas. Pomp over substance. I also loathe......Lynyrd Skynrd, U2, REM, and many many more. Music is such a devisive subject. Luckily I am always correct! Discuss.

Best,

M


On 28 Mar 2012, at 21:11, Robert <rmrmax@yahoo.com> wrote:

I agree with you Gary....

I don't understand all the bashing of Yes's & the Moodie's earlier recordings on this list. These groups are a bit pretentious but, so what ?

Thanks to these groups and many others, I got into Henry Cow, Terje Rypdal, Universe Zero, John Coltrane, Billie Holiday, Jackie Mclean, Lester Young, Antonio Carlos Jobim, Bill Evans, Stravinsky, Shostakovich, Part, Luigi Nono, etc......

Below is CTTE, Part 2. To me, it looks like RW is playing his Hammond organ starting @ 2:54.

Robert


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From: Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 2:11 PM
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] St John's Wood Church Organ

Hey Martin, You shouldn’t hate the band that is probably most responsible for the Mellotron being known by the ordinary musician.
I am sure they influenced many of the sales in the old days.
….But that is NOT a Mellotron doing the pipes on CTTE…..it’s a synth live and the real deal on the album.
I saw it preformed many times.
Cheers,
Gary
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tronbros
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:13 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] St John's Wood Church Organ
Who are you asking? I hate YES.
Best,

On 28 Mar 2012, at 16:43, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com> wrote:
Isn't the church organ part on Close To The Edge the St John's Wood Mellotron sound ?


On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 6:11 PM, tronbros <tronbros@aol.com> wrote:
Hi Paul,
The recording was made around 70/71 and was released in the M400 catalogue. Far too late for the MKII.
Best,

On 27 Mar 2012, at 22:41, "PJ12" <pj4000@btinternet.com> wrote:
Hi All
I popped in to the church today to have a look at the organ I have so much fun with (no, I mean the other one). Must get to hear it some time.
I read on t'internet that this is not the original 1862 one but a replacement installed 1912, if anyone cares about such tedious trivia.
Does anyone know when the recordings were made, and was it on the Mk1 and Mk11?
Paul


Re: [newmellotrongroup] Yes - Close To The Edge

2012-03-28 by jason wietlispach

Yes is ok and I cant stand the Moody Blues. For prog bands I think Genesis and King Crimson made better use of the mellotron and their music to me still resonates. I like extreme avant garde classical and that is as pretentious as it gets, so it's not a matter of being too high brow. Yes to me seems like a lot of cool parts thrown together to make a song, not songs with lots of cool parts. Moody Blues just plain suck "I'm just a singer in a crappy rock n' roll band" "clowns in white satin, boring to the end". On the same note, outside of a few tunes and maybe their first lp, ELP has not aged well at all. Crummy endless solos. Give me Eno, Robert Wyatt, Univers Zero and Henry Cow any day.
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From: tronbros <tronbros@aol.com>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Yes - Close To The Edge

I didn't bash them - I just can't stand them. It's personal choice, nothing more. They are well respected but I can't force myself to like them because they used a mellotron. So did Pavlov's Dog and Czar. Neither of them get played around here. In truth, I would probably hate most of the bands that Andy documents on his site. Mellotrons inspired a LOT of non musicians and lousy composers. That grandiose sound gave credence to a lot of weak musical ideas. Pomp over substance. I also loathe......Lynyrd Skynrd, U2, REM, and many many more. Music is such a devisive subject. Luckily I am always correct! Discuss.

Best,

M


On 28 Mar 2012, at 21:11, Robert <rmrmax@yahoo.com> wrote:

I agree with you Gary....

I don't understand all the bashing of Yes's & the Moodie's earlier recordings on this list. These groups are a bit pretentious but, so what ?

Thanks to these groups and many others, I got into Henry Cow, Terje Rypdal, Universe Zero, John Coltrane, Billie Holiday, Jackie Mclean, Lester Young, Antonio Carlos Jobim, Bill Evans, Stravinsky, Shostakovich, Part, Luigi Nono, etc......

Below is CTTE, Part 2. To me, it looks like RW is playing his Hammond organ starting @ 2:54.

Robert


From: Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 2:11 PM
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] St John's Wood Church Organ

Hey Martin, You shouldn’t hate the band that is probably most responsible for the Mellotron being known by the ordinary musician.
I am sure they influenced many of the sales in the old days.
….But that is NOT a Mellotron doing the pipes on CTTE…..it’s a synth live and the real deal on the album.
I saw it preformed many times.
Cheers,
Gary
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tronbros
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:13 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] St John's Wood Church Organ
Who are you asking? I hate YES.
Best,

On 28 Mar 2012, at 16:43, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com> wrote:
Isn't the church organ part on Close To The Edge the St John's Wood Mellotron sound ?


On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 6:11 PM, tronbros <tronbros@aol.com> wrote:
Hi Paul,
The recording was made around 70/71 and was released in the M400 catalogue. Far too late for the MKII.
Best,

On 27 Mar 2012, at 22:41, "PJ12" <pj4000@btinternet.com> wrote:
Hi All
I popped in to the church today to have a look at the organ I have so much fun with (no, I mean the other one). Must get to hear it some time.
I read on t'internet that this is not the original 1862 one but a replacement installed 1912, if anyone cares about such tedious trivia.
Does anyone know when the recordings were made, and was it on the Mk1 and Mk11?
Paul




Re: [newmellotrongroup] Yes - Close To The Edge

2012-03-28 by David Jacques

Actually, that cut is the album version of the song, not a live version...

On 28 Mar 2012, at 21:11, Robert <rmrmax@yahoo.com> wrote:

I agree with you Gary....

I don't understand all the bashing of Yes's & the Moodie's earlier recordings on this list. These groups are a bit pretentious but, so what ?

Thanks to these groups and many others, I got into Henry Cow, Terje Rypdal, Universe Zero, John Coltrane, Billie Holiday, Jackie Mclean, Lester Young, Antonio Carlos Jobim, Bill Evans, Stravinsky, Shostakovich, Part, Luigi Nono, etc......

Below is CTTE, Part 2. To me, it looks like RW is playing his Hammond organ starting @ 2:54.

Robert


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From: Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 2:11 PM
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] St John's Wood Church Organ

Hey Martin, You shouldn’t hate the band that is probably most responsible for the Mellotron being known by the ordinary musician.
I am sure they influenced many of the sales in the old days.
….But that is NOT a Mellotron doing the pipes on CTTE…..it’s a synth live and the real deal on the album.
I saw it preformed many times.
Cheers,
Gary
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tronbros
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:13 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] St John's Wood Church Organ
Who are you asking? I hate YES.
Best,

On 28 Mar 2012, at 16:43, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com> wrote:
Isn't the church organ part on Close To The Edge the St John's Wood Mellotron sound ?


On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 6:11 PM, tronbros <tronbros@aol.com> wrote:
Hi Paul,
The recording was made around 70/71 and was released in the M400 catalogue. Far too late for the MKII.
Best,

On 27 Mar 2012, at 22:41, "PJ12" <pj4000@btinternet.com> wrote:
Hi All
I popped in to the church today to have a look at the organ I have so much fun with (no, I mean the other one). Must get to hear it some time.
I read on t'internet that this is not the original 1862 one but a replacement installed 1912, if anyone cares about such tedious trivia.
Does anyone know when the recordings were made, and was it on the Mk1 and Mk11?
Paul






Re: Yes - Close To The Edge

2012-03-29 by tron400

I like Yes and the Moodies, too, but they're no more pretentious than Bach, Beethoven or Zappa. Pretension is irrelevant. It's all entertainment. Now K.C. and the Sunshine Band...

Bernie

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--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Robert <rmrmax@...> wrote:
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> I agree with you Gary....
>
> I don't understand all the bashing of Yes's & the Moodie's earlier recordings on this list. These groups are a bit pretentious but, so what ?
>
> Thanks to these groups and many others, I got into Henry Cow, Terje Rypdal, Universe Zero, John Coltrane, Billie Holiday, Jackie Mclean, Lester Young, Antonio Carlos Jobim, Bill Evans, Stravinsky, Shostakovich, Part, Luigi Nono, etc......
>
> Below is CTTE, Part 2. To me, it looks like RW is playing his Hammond organ starting @ 2:54.
>
> Robert
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uZPdour-j0&feature=related
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Gary Brumm <gabru@...>
> To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 2:11 PM
> Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] St John's Wood Church Organ
>
>
> Â
> Hey Martin, You shouldn’t hate the band that is probably most responsible for the Mellotron being known by the ordinary musician.Â
> I am sure they influenced many of the sales in the old days.
> Â
> ….But that is NOT a Mellotron doing the pipes on CTTE…..it’s a synth live and the real deal on the album.Â
> I saw it preformed many times.
> Â
> Cheers,
> Â
> Gary
> Â
> Â
> From:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tronbros
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:13 AM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] St John's Wood Church Organ
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> Â
> Who are you asking? Â I hate YES.
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> Best,
> Â
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> Â
> Â
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> On 28 Mar 2012, at 16:43, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@...> wrote:
> Â
> >Isn't the church organ part on Close To The Edge the St John's Wood Mellotron sound ?
> >Â
> >Â
> >
> >
> >Â
> >On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 6:11 PM, tronbros <tronbros@...> wrote:
> >Â
> >Hi Paul,
> >Â
> >The recording was made around 70/71 and was released in the M400 catalogue. Â Far too late for the MKII.
> >Â
> >Best,
> >Â
> >M
> >
> >mellotronics.co.uk
> >Â
> >Â
> >
> >On 27 Mar 2012, at 22:41, "PJ12" <pj4000@...> wrote:
> >Â
> >>Hi All
> >>I popped in to the church today to have a look at the organ I have so much fun with (no, I mean the other one). Must get to hear it some time.
> >>I read on t'internet that this is not the original 1862 one but a replacement installed 1912, if anyone cares about such tedious trivia.
> >>Does anyone know when the recordings were made, and was it on the Mk1 and Mk11?
> >>Paul
> >Â
>

RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Yes - Close To The Edge

2012-03-29 by Mark Wallis

You can't go far wrong with a nice dollop of 'Spine Of God' by Monster Magnet at ridiculous volume.


To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
From: tron400@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:21:54 +0000
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Yes - Close To The Edge



I like Yes and the Moodies, too, but they're no more pretentious than Bach, Beethoven or Zappa. Pretension is irrelevant. It's all entertainment. Now K.C. and the Sunshine Band...

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Robert <rmrmax@...> wrote:
>
> I agree with you Gary....
>
> I don't understand all the bashing of Yes's & the Moodie's earlier recordings on this list. These groups are a bit pretentious but, so what ?
>
> Thanks to these groups and many others, I got into Henry Cow, Terje Rypdal, Universe Zero, John Coltrane, Billie Holiday, Jackie Mclean, Lester Young, Antonio Carlos Jobim, Bill Evans, Stravinsky, Shostakovich, Part, Luigi Nono, etc......
>
> Below is CTTE, Part 2. To me, it looks like RW is playing his Hammond organ starting @ 2:54.
>
> Robert
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uZPdour-j0&feature=related
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Gary Brumm <gabru@...>
> To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 2:11 PM
> Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] St John's Wood Church Organ
>
>
> Â
> Hey Martin, You shouldn’t hate the band that is probably most responsible for the Mellotron being known by the ordinary musician.Â
> I am sure they influenced many of the sales in the old days.
> Â
> ….But that is NOT a Mellotron doing the pipes on CTTE…..it’s a synth live and the real deal on the album.Â
> I saw it preformed many times.
> Â
> Cheers,
> Â
> Gary
> Â
> Â
> From:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tronbros
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:13 AM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] St John's Wood Church Organ
> Â
> Â
> Who are you asking? Â I hate YES.
> Â
> Best,
> Â
> M
>
> mellotronics.co.uk
> Â
> Â
>
> On 28 Mar 2012, at 16:43, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@...> wrote:
> Â
> >Isn't the church organ part on Close To The Edge the St John's Wood Mellotron sound ?
> >Â
> >Â
> >
> >
> >Â
> >On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 6:11 PM, tronbros <tronbros@...> wrote:
> >Â
> >Hi Paul,
> >Â
> >The recording was made around 70/71 and was released in the M400 catalogue. Â Far too late for the MKII.
> >Â
> >Best,
> >Â
> >M
> >
> >mellotronics.co.uk
> >Â
> >Â
> >
> >On 27 Mar 2012, at 22:41, "PJ12" <pj4000@...> wrote:
> >Â
> >>Hi All
> >>I popped in to the church today to have a look at the organ I have so much fun with (no, I mean the other one). Must get to hear it some time.
> >>I read on t'internet that this is not the original 1862 one but a replacement installed 1912, if anyone cares about such tedious trivia.
> >>Does anyone know when the recordings were made, and was it on the Mk1 and Mk11?
> >>Paul
> >Â
>


Re: [newmellotrongroup] Yes - Close To The Edge

2012-03-29 by fdoddy@aol.com

Mikey, Mikey, Mikey! C'mon..I mean...really?

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Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Yes - Close To The Edge

On 28 March 2012 21:11, Robert <rmrmax@yahoo.com> wrote:

These groups are a bit pretentious but, so what ?


That's got one hell of a lot to do with it...

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Yes - Close To The Edge

2012-03-29 by fdoddy@aol.com

Marty and I agree on many things, but we disagree on Yes. I can't stand a lot of their later work, But CTTE was a seminal moment for me and I still hold it in high regard. Guilty pleasure I guess.

fritz


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I didn't bash them - I just can't stand them. It's personal choice, nothing more. They are well respected but I can't force myself to like them because they used a mellotron. So did Pavlov's Dog and Czar. Neither of them get played around here. In truth, I would probably hate most of the bands that Andy documents on his site. Mellotrons inspired a LOT of non musicians and lousy composers. That grandiose sound gave credence to a lot of weak musical ideas. Pomp over substance. I also loathe......Lynyrd Skynrd, U2, REM, and many many more. Music is such a devisive subject. Luckily I am always correct! Discuss.

Best,

M


On 28 Mar 2012, at 21:11, Robert <rmrmax@yahoo.com> wrote:

I agree with you Gary....

I don't understand all the bashing of Yes's & the Moodie's earlier recordings on this list. These groups are a bit pretentious but, so what ?

Thanks to these groups and many others, I got into Henry Cow, Terje Rypdal, Universe Zero, John Coltrane, Billie Holiday, Jackie Mclean, Lester Young, Antonio Carlos Jobim, Bill Evans, Stravinsky, Shostakovich, Part, Luigi Nono, etc......

Below is CTTE, Part 2. To me, it looks like RW is playing his Hammond organ starting @ 2:54.

Robert


From: Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 2:11 PM
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] St John's Wood Church Organ

Hey Martin, You shouldn’t hate the band that is probably most responsible for the Mellotron being known by the ordinary musician.
I am sure they influenced many of the sales in the old days.
….But that is NOT a Mellotron doing the pipes on CTTE…..it’s a synth live and the real deal on the album.
I saw it preformed many times.
Cheers,
Gary
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tronbros
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:13 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] St John's Wood Church Organ
Who are you asking? I hate YES.
Best,

On 28 Mar 2012, at 16:43, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com> wrote:
Isn't the church organ part on Close To The Edge the St John's Wood Mellotron sound ?


On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 6:11 PM, tronbros <tronbros@aol.com> wrote:
Hi Paul,
The recording was made around 70/71 and was released in the M400 catalogue. Far too late for the MKII.
Best,

On 27 Mar 2012, at 22:41, "PJ12" <pj4000@btinternet.com> wrote:
Hi All
I popped in to the church today to have a look at the organ I have so much fun with (no, I mean the other one). Must get to hear it some time.
I read on t'internet that this is not the original 1862 one but a replacement installed 1912, if anyone cares about such tedious trivia.
Does anyone know when the recordings were made, and was it on the Mk1 and Mk11?
Paul


RE: [newmellotrongroup] Yes - Close To The Edge

2012-03-29 by Gary Brumm

I thought he was talking about the “New Mellotron Group’s” ….you guys…we guys …us as it were…..being pretentious J !

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Dickson
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 2:51 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Yes - Close To The Edge

On 28 March 2012 21:11, Robert <rmrmax@yahoo.com> wrote:

These groups are a bit pretentious but, so what ?

That's got one hell of a lot to do with it...

RE: [newmellotrongroup] Yes - Close To The Edge

2012-03-29 by Gary Brumm

It’s good to be King! J

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tronbros
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 2:55 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Yes - Close To The Edge

I didn't bash them - I just can't stand them. It's personal choice, nothing more. They are well respected but I can't force myself to like them because they used a mellotron. So did Pavlov's Dog and Czar. Neither of them get played around here. In truth, I would probably hate most of the bands that Andy documents on his site. Mellotrons inspired a LOT of non musicians and lousy composers. That grandiose sound gave credence to a lot of weak musical ideas. Pomp over substance. I also loathe......Lynyrd Skynrd, U2, REM, and many many more. Music is such a devisive subject. Luckily I am always correct! Discuss.

Best,

M


On 28 Mar 2012, at 21:11, Robert <rmrmax@yahoo.com> wrote:

I agree with you Gary....

I don't understand all the bashing of Yes's & the Moodie's earlier recordings on this list. These groups are a bit pretentious but, so what ?

Thanks to these groups and many others, I got into Henry Cow, Terje Rypdal, Universe Zero, John Coltrane, Billie Holiday, Jackie Mclean, Lester Young, Antonio Carlos Jobim, Bill Evans, Stravinsky, Shostakovich, Part, Luigi Nono, etc......

Below is CTTE, Part 2. To me, it looks like RW is playing his Hammond organ starting @ 2:54.

Robert

From: Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 2:11 PM
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] St John's Wood Church Organ

Hey Martin, You shouldn’t hate the band that is probably most responsible for the Mellotron being known by the ordinary musician.

I am sure they influenced many of the sales in the old days.

….But that is NOT a Mellotron doing the pipes on CTTE…..it’s a synth live and the real deal on the album.

I saw it preformed many times.

Cheers,

Gary

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tronbros
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:13 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] St John's Wood Church Organ

Who are you asking? I hate YES.

Best,


On 28 Mar 2012, at 16:43, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com> wrote:

Isn't the church organ part on Close To The Edge the St John's Wood Mellotron sound ?



On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 6:11 PM, tronbros <tronbros@aol.com> wrote:

Hi Paul,

The recording was made around 70/71 and was released in the M400 catalogue. Far too late for the MKII.

Best,


On 27 Mar 2012, at 22:41, "PJ12" <pj4000@btinternet.com> wrote:

Hi All
I popped in to the church today to have a look at the organ I have so much fun with (no, I mean the other one). Must get to hear it some time.
I read on t'internet that this is not the original 1862 one but a replacement installed 1912, if anyone cares about such tedious trivia.
Does anyone know when the recordings were made, and was it on the Mk1 and Mk11?
Paul

Re: [newmellotrongroup] St John's Wood Church Organ

2012-03-29 by Chris Dale

Thanks guys, that clears that up.

Martin - how about an 80's era Trevor Rabin solo album with lots of guitar shredding? :)


I like Yes much better in the 70's, not just because of the Mellotron. I find that true of most music I like and I think that the corporatization of the music industry in the 80's is largely responsible for putting fashion first and quality second.





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Only close Mike?
Andy K
Mike, who is still close to ecstatic about his Mk V


Re: [newmellotrongroup] Yes - Close To The Edge

2012-03-29 by Chris Dale

I agree about REM and especially U2.


U2 tries to be something it isn't. I find them more pretentious than Yes, with a lot less musically and lyrically to offer.

Yes at least lyrically and musically offers a path to escapist surrealism.
U2 lyrically offers a path to professional self-pity within the confines of mundane contemporary relationships. No wonder they sold well!






On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 6:55 AM, tronbros <tronbros@aol.com> wrote:

I didn't bash them - I just can't stand them. It's personal choice, nothing more. They are well respected but I can't force myself to like them because they used a mellotron. So did Pavlov's Dog and Czar. Neither of them get played around here. In truth, I would probably hate most of the bands that Andy documents on his site. Mellotrons inspired a LOT of non musicians and lousy composers. That grandiose sound gave credence to a lot of weak musical ideas. Pomp over substance. I also loathe......Lynyrd Skynrd, U2, REM, and many many more. Music is such a devisive subject. Luckily I am always correct! Discuss.

Best,

M


On 28 Mar 2012, at 21:11, Robert <rmrmax@yahoo.com> wrote:

I agree with you Gary....

I don't understand all the bashing of Yes's & the Moodie's earlier recordings on this list. These groups are a bit pretentious but, so what ?

Thanks to these groups and many others, I got into Henry Cow, Terje Rypdal, Universe Zero, John Coltrane, Billie Holiday, Jackie Mclean, Lester Young, Antonio Carlos Jobim, Bill Evans, Stravinsky, Shostakovich, Part, Luigi Nono, etc......

Below is CTTE, Part 2. To me, it looks like RW is playing his Hammond organ starting @ 2:54.

Robert


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From: Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 2:11 PM
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] St John's Wood Church Organ

Hey Martin, You shouldn’t hate the band that is probably most responsible for the Mellotron being known by the ordinary musician.
I am sure they influenced many of the sales in the old days.
….But that is NOT a Mellotron doing the pipes on CTTE…..it’s a synth live and the real deal on the album.
I saw it preformed many times.
Cheers,
Gary
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tronbros
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:13 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] St John's Wood Church Organ
Who are you asking? I hate YES.
Best,

On 28 Mar 2012, at 16:43, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com> wrote:
Isn't the church organ part on Close To The Edge the St John's Wood Mellotron sound ?


On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 6:11 PM, tronbros <tronbros@aol.com> wrote:
Hi Paul,
The recording was made around 70/71 and was released in the M400 catalogue. Far too late for the MKII.
Best,

On 27 Mar 2012, at 22:41, "PJ12" <pj4000@btinternet.com> wrote:
Hi All
I popped in to the church today to have a look at the organ I have so much fun with (no, I mean the other one). Must get to hear it some time.
I read on t'internet that this is not the original 1862 one but a replacement installed 1912, if anyone cares about such tedious trivia.
Does anyone know when the recordings were made, and was it on the Mk1 and Mk11?
Paul



Re: [newmellotrongroup] Yes - Close To The Edge

2012-03-29 by fdoddy@aol.com

hahaha

fritz


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Sent: Thu, Mar 29, 2012 12:25 am
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I thought he was talking about the “New Mellotron Group’s” ….you guys…we guys …us as it were…..being pretentious J !
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Dickson
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 2:51 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Yes - Close To The Edge
On 28 March 2012 21:11, Robert <rmrmax@yahoo.com> wrote:
These groups are a bit pretentious but, so what ?
That's got one hell of a lot to do with it...

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Yes - Close To The Edge

2012-03-29 by lsf5275@aol.com

Prog is alive and well thanks to this band
And should you not think they can play live... I've seen them and they are amazing!
and they can all really sing
But is it really Prog if the musicianship is amazing, the songs are well arranged and the lyrics have meaning?

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Yes - Close To The Edge

2012-03-29 by Andy Kinch


lyrics have meaning
Totally unlike Yes then! Haha.
Seriously though, I agree that CTTE was and remains a seminal album for me "And You And I" stands out as having some of the most delicious Mellotron ever recorded IMHO.
AK

Andy Kinch
kinchmusic@aol.com


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Prog is alive and well thanks to this band
And should you not think they can play live... I've seen them and they are amazing!
and they can all really sing
But is it really Prog if the musicianship is amazing, the songs are well arranged and the lyrics have meaning?

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Yes - Close To The Edge

2012-03-29 by Mike Dickson

On 29 March 2012 01:21, tron400 <tron400@yahoo.com> wrote:

I like Yes and the Moodies, too, but they're no more pretentious than Bach, Beethoven or Zappa. Pretension is irrelevant.


Sorry? "no more pretentious than Bach, Beethoven"?

How can you tell how 'pretentious' either of them were?

Mike

Re: Yes - Close To The Edge

2012-03-29 by tron400

I thought we were talking about the music and not the people.

Bernie

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--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...> wrote:
>
> On 29 March 2012 01:21, tron400 <tron400@...> wrote:
>
> **
> >
> > I like Yes and the Moodies, too, but they're no more pretentious than
> > Bach, Beethoven or Zappa. Pretension is irrelevant.
> >
>
> Sorry? "no more pretentious than Bach, Beethoven"?
>
> How can you tell how 'pretentious' either of them were?
>
> Mike
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Yes - Close To The Edge

2012-03-29 by fdoddy@aol.com

Yeah, I think when talking about pretense, one has to consider the intention of the composer, as music, in itself, cannot really be pretentious. It can be academic, uninspired etc. If one uses that argument, LVB really wouldn't be considered pretentious and certainly not JSB in my mind. Now, U2 and REM, mentioned earlier, drip with pretense in comparison. As much as I do like the early Yes stuff, they are a bit pretentious, especially knowing some of the members. Here's another comparison, Phillip Glass is pretentious while Steve Reich is not.

Just my opinion...


fritz


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I thought we were talking about the music and not the people.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...> wrote:
>
> On 29 March 2012 01:21, tron400 <tron400@...> wrote:
>
> **
> >
> > I like Yes and the Moodies, too, but they're no more pretentious than
> > Bach, Beethoven or Zappa. Pretension is irrelevant.
> >
>
> Sorry? "no more pretentious than Bach, Beethoven"?
>
> How can you tell how 'pretentious' either of them were?
>
> Mike
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Yes - Close To The Edge

2012-03-29 by lsf5275@aol.com

Even Bach and Beethoven didn't like their music. They've been decomposing for centuries.
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Sorry? "no more pretentious than Bach, Beethoven"?

Re: Yes - Close To The Edge

2012-03-29 by ClayE

The most pretentious artist of all?
Chrissie Hynde
http://instantrimshot.com/
Trying to keep an open mind listening to Mouse on Mars.
The songs are unpredictable. Great effects but no hint of a story.

Clay


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--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, fdoddy@... wrote:
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>
> Yeah, I think when talking about pretense, one has to consider the intention of the composer, as music, in itself, cannot really be pretentious. It can be academic, uninspired etc. If one uses that argument, LVB really wouldn't be considered pretentious and certainly not JSB in my mind. Now, U2 and REM, mentioned earlier, drip with pretense in comparison. As much as I do like the early Yes stuff, they are a bit pretentious, especially knowing some of the members. Here's another comparison, Phillip Glass is pretentious while Steve Reich is not.
>
> Just my opinion...
>
>
> fritz
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tron400 <tron400@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thu, Mar 29, 2012 6:53 am
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Yes - Close To The Edge
>
>
>
>
>
> I thought we were talking about the music and not the people.
>
> Bernie
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@> wrote:
> >
> > On 29 March 2012 01:21, tron400 <tron400@> wrote:
> >
> > **
> > >
> > > I like Yes and the Moodies, too, but they're no more pretentious than
> > > Bach, Beethoven or Zappa. Pretension is irrelevant.
> > >
> >
> > Sorry? "no more pretentious than Bach, Beethoven"?
> >
> > How can you tell how 'pretentious' either of them were?
> >
> > Mike
> >
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Yes - Close To The Edge

2012-03-29 by fdoddy@aol.com

Oh yeah! And she hates young people too!

Glad you're giving Mouse On Mars a try. It's like listening to another language. I react to the spirit, passion and the devil-may-care attitude. The stories are there and some of them are funny to my ear.

fritz



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Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Yes - Close To The Edge

The most pretentious artist of all?
Chrissie Hynde
http://instantrimshot.com/
Trying to keep an open mind listening to Mouse on Mars.
The songs are unpredictable. Great effects but no hint of a story.

Clay

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, fdoddy@... wrote:
>
>
> Yeah, I think when talking about pretense, one has to consider the intention of the composer, as music, in itself, cannot really be pretentious. It can be academic, uninspired etc. If one uses that argument, LVB really wouldn't be considered pretentious and certainly not JSB in my mind. Now, U2 and REM, mentioned earlier, drip with pretense in comparison. As much as I do like the early Yes stuff, they are a bit pretentious, especially knowing some of the members. Here's another comparison, Phillip Glass is pretentious while Steve Reich is not.
>
> Just my opinion...
>
>
> fritz
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tron400 <tron400@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thu, Mar 29, 2012 6:53 am
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Yes - Close To The Edge
>
>
>
>
>
> I thought we were talking about the music and not the people.
>
> Bernie
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@> wrote:
> >
> > On 29 March 2012 01:21, tron400 <tron400@> wrote:
> >
> > **
> > >
> > > I like Yes and the Moodies, too, but they're no more pretentious than
> > > Bach, Beethoven or Zappa. Pretension is irrelevant.
> > >
> >
> > Sorry? "no more pretentious than Bach, Beethoven"?
> >
> > How can you tell how 'pretentious' either of them were?
> >
> > Mike
> >
>

Devil Doll

2012-03-30 by Robert

Hey Mark,

Never heard of Monster Magnet; I listened to a few tracks; not bad.

One of my friends is mostly into prog and he turned me on to this group during the mid 90's. They are a mix of metal and symphonic prog. Their vocalist "Mr. Doctor" reminds me a little of Peter Gabriel when he was with Genesis and slightly of Peter Hammill.

I like them, but I don't find myself listening to their albums too often.

Robert

http://www.allmusic.com/artist/devil-doll-p295442/discography

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd7PII2XREs&feature=related

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From: Mark Wallis <markstuartwallis@hotmail.com>
To: new trongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 8:26 PM
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Yes - Close To The Edge

You can't go far wrong with a nice dollop of 'Spine Of God' by Monster Magnet at ridiculous volume.


To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
From: tron400@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:21:54 +0000
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Yes - Close To The Edge



I like Yes and the Moodies, too, but they're no more pretentious than Bach, Beethoven or Zappa. Pretension is irrelevant. It's all entertainment. Now K.C. and the Sunshine Band...

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Robert <rmrmax@...> wrote:
>
> I agree with you Gary....
>
> I don't understand all the bashing of Yes's & the Moodie's earlier recordings on this list. These groups are a bit pretentious but, so what ?
>
> Thanks to these groups and many others, I got into Henry Cow, Terje Rypdal, Universe Zero, John Coltrane, Billie Holiday, Jackie Mclean, Lester Young, Antonio Carlos Jobim, Bill Evans, Stravinsky, Shostakovich, Part, Luigi Nono, etc......
>
> Below is CTTE, Part 2. To me, it looks like RW is playing his Hammond organ starting @ 2:54.
>
> Robert
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uZPdour-j0&feature=related
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Gary Brumm <gabru@...>
> To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 2:11 PM
> Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] St John's Wood Church Organ
>
>
> Â
> Hey Martin, You shouldn’t hate the band that is probably most responsible for the Mellotron being known by the ordinary musician.Â
> I am sure they influenced many of the sales in the old days.
> Â
> ….But that is NOT a Mellotron doing the pipes on CTTE…..it’s a synth live and the real deal on the album.Â
> I saw it preformed many times.
> Â
> Cheers,
> Â
> Gary
> Â
> Â
> From:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tronbros
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:13 AM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] St John's Wood Church Organ
> Â
> Â
> Who are you asking? Â I hate YES.
> Â
> Best,
> Â
> M
>
> mellotronics.co.uk
> Â
> Â
>
> On 28 Mar 2012, at 16:43, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@...> wrote:
> Â
> >Isn't the church organ part on Close To The Edge the St John's Wood Mellotron sound ?
> >Â
> >Â
> >
> >
> >Â
> >On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 6:11 PM, tronbros <tronbros@...> wrote:
> >Â
> >Hi Paul,
> >Â
> >The recording was made around 70/71 and was released in the M400 catalogue. Â Far too late for the MKII.
> >Â
> >Best,
> >Â
> >M
> >
> >mellotronics.co.uk
> >Â
> >Â
> >
> >On 27 Mar 2012, at 22:41, "PJ12" <pj4000@...> wrote:
> >Â
> >>Hi All
> >>I popped in to the church today to have a look at the organ I have so much fun with (no, I mean the other one). Must get to hear it some time.
> >>I read on t'internet that this is not the original 1862 one but a replacement installed 1912, if anyone cares about such tedious trivia.
> >>Does anyone know when the recordings were made, and was it on the Mk1 and Mk11?
> >>Paul
> >Â
>




RE: [newmellotrongroup] Devil Doll

2012-03-30 by Gary Brumm

I saw Monster Magnet a long time ago as an opener at the Concord Pavilion. They were one of the worst bands

I have seen at a professional concert level venue. They were practically booed of the stage. Boring performance

with no direction or redeeming qualities….at least that was my experience (and that of thousands of others who

were also in attendance that day.

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From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 12:10 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Devil Doll

Hey Mark,

Never heard of Monster Magnet; I listened to a few tracks; not bad.

One of my friends is mostly into prog and he turned me on to this group during the mid 90's. They are a mix of metal and symphonic prog. Their vocalist "Mr. Doctor" reminds me a little of Peter Gabriel when he was with Genesis and slightly of Peter Hammill.

I like them, but I don't find myself listening to their albums too often.

Robert

From: Mark Wallis <markstuartwallis@hotmail.com>
To: new trongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 8:26 PM
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Yes - Close To The Edge

You can't go far wrong with a nice dollop of 'Spine Of God' by Monster Magnet at ridiculous volume.

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
From: tron400@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:21:54 +0000
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Yes - Close To The Edge



I like Yes and the Moodies, too, but they're no more pretentious than Bach, Beethoven or Zappa. Pretension is irrelevant. It's all entertainment. Now K.C. and the Sunshine Band...

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Robert <rmrmax@...> wrote:
>
> I agree with you Gary....
>
> I don't understand all the bashing of Yes's & the Moodie's earlier recordings on this list. These groups are a bit pretentious but, so what ?
>
> Thanks to these groups and many others, I got into Henry Cow, Terje Rypdal, Universe Zero, John Coltrane, Billie Holiday, Jackie Mclean, Lester Young, Antonio Carlos Jobim, Bill Evans, Stravinsky, Shostakovich, Part, Luigi Nono, etc......
>
> Below is CTTE, Part 2. To me, it looks like RW is playing his Hammond organ starting @ 2:54.
>
> Robert
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uZPdour-j0&feature=related
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Gary Brumm <gabru@...>
> To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 2:11 PM
> Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] St John's Wood Church Organ
>
>
> Â
> Hey Martin, You shouldn’t hate the band that is probably most responsible for the Mellotron being known by the ordinary musician.Â
> I am sure they influenced many of the sales in the old days.
> Â
> ….But that is NOT a Mellotron doing the pipes on CTTE…..it’s a synth live and the real deal on the album.Â
> I saw it preformed many times.
> Â
> Cheers,
> Â
> Gary
> Â
> Â
> From:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tronbros
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:13 AM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] St John's Wood Church Organ
> Â
> Â
> Who are you asking? Â I hate YES.
> Â
> Best,
> Â
> M
>
> mellotronics.co.uk
> Â
> Â
>
> On 28 Mar 2012, at 16:43, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@...> wrote:
> Â
> >Isn't the church organ part on Close To The Edge the St John's Wood Mellotron sound ?
> >Â
> >Â
> >
> >
> >Â
> >On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 6:11 PM, tronbros <tronbros@...> wrote:
> >Â
> >Hi Paul,
> >Â
> >The recording was made around 70/71 and was released in the M400 catalogue. Â Far too late for the MKII.
> >Â
> >Best,
> >Â
> >M
> >
> >mellotronics.co.uk
> >Â
> >Â
> >
> >On 27 Mar 2012, at 22:41, "PJ12" <pj4000@...> wrote:
> >Â
> >>Hi All
> >>I popped in to the church today to have a look at the organ I have so much fun with (no, I mean the other one). Must get to hear it some time.
> >>I read on t'internet that this is not the original 1862 one but a replacement installed 1912, if anyone cares about such tedious trivia.
> >>Does anyone know when the recordings were made, and was it on the Mk1 and Mk11?
> >>Paul
> >Â
>

RE: [newmellotrongroup] Devil Doll

2012-03-30 by Mark Wallis

'Spine Of God' is great, the follow-up 'Superjudge' rocks too. Most stuff before or since is just more stoner rock. It's all optional entertainment at the end of the day.

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: gabru@comsec.net
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 20:00:54 +0000
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Devil Doll


I saw Monster Magnet a long time ago as an opener at the Concord Pavilion. They were one of the worst bands

I have seen at a professional concert level venue. They were practically booed of the stage. Boring performance

with no direction or redeeming qualities….at least that was my experience (and that of thousands of others who

were also in attendance that day.

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 12:10 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Devil Doll

Hey Mark,

Never heard of Monster Magnet; I listened to a few tracks; not bad.

One of my friends is mostly into prog and he turned me on to this group during the mid 90's. They are a mix of metal and symphonic prog. Their vocalist "Mr. Doctor" reminds me a little of Peter Gabriel when he was with Genesis and slightly of Peter Hammill.

I like them, but I don't find myself listening to their albums too often.

Robert

From: Mark Wallis <markstuartwallis@hotmail.com>
To: new trongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 8:26 PM
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Yes - Close To The Edge

You can't go far wrong with a nice dollop of 'Spine Of God' by Monster Magnet at ridiculous volume.

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
From: tron400@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:21:54 +0000
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Yes - Close To The Edge



I like Yes and the Moodies, too, but they're no more pretentious than Bach, Beethoven or Zappa. Pretension is irrelevant. It's all entertainment. Now K.C. and the Sunshine Band...

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Robert <rmrmax@...> wrote:
>
> I agree with you Gary....
>
> I don't understand all the bashing of Yes's & the Moodie's earlier recordings on this list. These groups are a bit pretentious but, so what ?
>
> Thanks to these groups and many others, I got into Henry Cow, Terje Rypdal, Universe Zero, John Coltrane, Billie Holiday, Jackie Mclean, Lester Young, Antonio Carlos Jobim, Bill Evans, Stravinsky, Shostakovich, Part, Luigi Nono, etc......
>
> Below is CTTE, Part 2. To me, it looks like RW is playing his Hammond organ starting @ 2:54.
>
> Robert
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uZPdour-j0&feature=related
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Gary Brumm <gabru@...>
> To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 2:11 PM
> Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] St John's Wood Church Organ
>
>
> Â
> Hey Martin, You shouldn’t hate the band that is probably most responsible for the Mellotron being known by the ordinary musician.Â
> I am sure they influenced many of the sales in the old days.
> Â
> ….But that is NOT a Mellotron doing the pipes on CTTE…..it’s a synth live and the real deal on the album.Â
> I saw it preformed many times.
> Â
> Cheers,
> Â
> Gary
> Â
> Â
> From:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tronbros
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:13 AM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] St John's Wood Church Organ
> Â
> Â
> Who are you asking? Â I hate YES.
> Â
> Best,
> Â
> M
>
> mellotronics.co.uk
> Â
> Â
>
> On 28 Mar 2012, at 16:43, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@...> wrote:
> Â
> >Isn't the church organ part on Close To The Edge the St John's Wood Mellotron sound ?
> >Â
> >Â
> >
> >
> >Â
> >On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 6:11 PM, tronbros <tronbros@...> wrote:
> >Â
> >Hi Paul,
> >Â
> >The recording was made around 70/71 and was released in the M400 catalogue. Â Far too late for the MKII.
> >Â
> >Best,
> >Â
> >M
> >
> >mellotronics.co.uk
> >Â
> >Â
> >
> >On 27 Mar 2012, at 22:41, "PJ12" <pj4000@...> wrote:
> >Â
> >>Hi All
> >>I popped in to the church today to have a look at the organ I have so much fun with (no, I mean the other one). Must get to hear it some time.
> >>I read on t'internet that this is not the original 1862 one but a replacement installed 1912, if anyone cares about such tedious trivia.
> >>Does anyone know when the recordings were made, and was it on the Mk1 and Mk11?
> >>Paul
> >Â
>