The Mellotron Group

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 12:45 PM, gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com> wrote:

You had it, you fixed , it was good. Marantz made good stuff in the 70s. I had to build Dynaco because I couldn’t afford it. Cheers to you for having the motivation to do something.

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net> wrote:

John, you know that’s not how I meant it! Doing something for fun doesn’t mean it has to be practical! J

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john barrick
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 9:59 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Marantz 2230 restoration

Yeah, Clay, so fuck you...

Seriously, I hope you enjoy the fruits of your labor. Good job on tackling it.

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net> wrote:

Hi Clay,

The 2230 is worth $200 on a good day. Why would anyone invest the time and money to restore one of these receivers. These were

Sony Superscope products made in Japan long after Saul Marantz had sold off the company. They are a typical receiver from the 70’s

and are on par with several other manufacturers (Nikko, Pioneer, Sansui, etc.) of the era. I used to sell and service these things back in

those days so I know them inside and out. Now if you can find a good deal on a Marantz 10B FM receiver you have something special.

The 10B and the McIntosh MR71 receivers are probably the best designed FM receivers ever produced.

Cheers,

Gary

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ClayE
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:39 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Marantz 2230 restoration

Gotta love the Internets. This restoration job was a breeze with step-by-step instructions from irebuildmarantz.com. These old receivers are well built. Far better than the SHIT they make now.

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/newmellotrongroup/

http://www.irebuildmarantz.com/restoration/2230.html

--

john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*

*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*

--

Gino Wong Birgelo

BSComm, BSEE & BS in general

Audio Production, Logistics, Synthesizers and sound design

Ginowong@gmail.com

--

john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*

*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*

On 31/08/2011 18:45, gino wong wrote:

Marantz made good stuff in the 70s.

They made good stuff in the 1980s too. When my balls dropped and I got a job my first pay packet went on a hifi system and a boxed set of Erik Satie records.

All the gear I had (aside from the Wharfedale speakers) was Marantz and I never regretted it for a second. I didn't just sound good, it was my friend and companion through an extraordinary musical adventure I took then which I doubt many other have been anywhere near before or since.

Mike

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Gary Brumm <gabru@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Clay,
>
> The 2230 is worth $200 on a good day. Why would anyone invest the time and money to restore one of these receivers. These were
> Sony Superscope products made in Japan long after Saul Marantz had sold off the company. They are a typical receiver from the 70's
> and are on par with several other manufacturers (Nikko, Pioneer, Sansui, etc.) of the era. I used to sell and service these things back in
> those days so I know them inside and out. Now if you can find a good deal on a Marantz 10B FM receiver you have something special.
> The 10B and the McIntosh MR71 receivers are probably the best designed FM receivers ever produced.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gary
>
>
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ClayE
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:39 AM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Marantz 2230 restoration
>
>
>
> Gotta love the Internets. This restoration job was a breeze with step-by-step instructions from irebuildmarantz.com. These old receivers are well built. Far better than the SHIT they make now.
>
> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/newmellotrongroup/
>
> http://www.irebuildmarantz.com/restoration/2230.html
>

From: ClayE <ecclesreinson@rogers.com>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 3:58 PM

Gary:
I assure you that I was aware that I wasn't restoring a California built Marantz. I have owned Pioneer, Denon and Sony stuff and it all went in the trash. The fact that the 70's Marantz stuff is still functioning today, (usually without any lights) is a good indication of the quality.

I don't care what they sell for. It sounds good, it's nice to look at and I needed some practice soldering.

You might be interested to know that I have a pair of Quad II power amps with Quad ESL 57's. I temporarily wired the Marantz receiver to the ESL's. (I know it's a shitty combination and will stress the receiver!) BUT it sounded pretty damn sweet.

Clay

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Gary Brumm <gabru@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Clay,
>
> The 2230 is worth $200 on a good day. Why would anyone invest the time and money to restore one of these receivers. These were
> Sony Superscope products made in Japan long after Saul Marantz had sold off the company. They are a typical receiver from the 70's
> and are on par with several other manufacturers (Nikko, Pioneer, Sansui, etc.) of the era. I used to sell and service these things back in
> those days so I know them inside and out. Now if you can find a good deal on a Marantz 10B FM receiver you have something special.
> The 10B and the McIntosh MR71 receivers are probably the best designed FM receivers ever produced.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gary
>
>
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ClayE
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:39 AM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Marantz 2230 restoration
>
>
>
> Gotta love the Internets. This restoration job was a breeze with step-by-step instructions from irebuildmarantz.com. These old receivers are well built. Far better than the SHIT they make now.
>
> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/newmellotrongroup/
>
> http://www.irebuildmarantz.com/restoration/2230.html
>

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Gary Brumm <gabru@...> wrote:
>
> Clay, I used to have a set of Quads w/amps and they were great. Not a high SPL design but bow what a nice transparent sound.
> I am working on rebuilding a studio for a guy and he had a set stored in his equipment room. I was tempted to see if he would
> sell them but I need to make money these days as opposed to spending it :). I miss those days of hi fi....I was constantly buying
> and selling gear to try different combinations. I even had the huge Klipsch corner horns at one point. They were the most efficient
> speakers I have ever seen.....They really made Dark Side of the Moon an experience to remember! ....those were good times..... :)
>
> Gary
>
>
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ClayE
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:59 PM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
>
>
>
> Gary:
> I assure you that I was aware that I wasn't restoring a California built Marantz. I have owned Pioneer, Denon and Sony stuff and it all went in the trash. The fact that the 70's Marantz stuff is still functioning today, (usually without any lights) is a good indication of the quality.
>
> I don't care what they sell for. It sounds good, it's nice to look at and I needed some practice soldering.
>
> You might be interested to know that I have a pair of Quad II power amps with Quad ESL 57's. I temporarily wired the Marantz receiver to the ESL's. (I know it's a shitty combination and will stress the receiver!) BUT it sounded pretty damn sweet.
>
> Clay
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, Gary Brumm <gabru@<mailto:gabru@>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Clay,
> >
> > The 2230 is worth $200 on a good day. Why would anyone invest the time and money to restore one of these receivers. These were
> > Sony Superscope products made in Japan long after Saul Marantz had sold off the company. They are a typical receiver from the 70's
> > and are on par with several other manufacturers (Nikko, Pioneer, Sansui, etc.) of the era. I used to sell and service these things back in
> > those days so I know them inside and out. Now if you can find a good deal on a Marantz 10B FM receiver you have something special.
> > The 10B and the McIntosh MR71 receivers are probably the best designed FM receivers ever produced.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> > From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of ClayE
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:39 AM
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Marantz 2230 restoration
> >
> >
> >
> > Gotta love the Internets. This restoration job was a breeze with step-by-step instructions from irebuildmarantz.com. These old receivers are well built. Far better than the SHIT they make now.
> >
> > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/newmellotrongroup/
> >
> > http://www.irebuildmarantz.com/restoration/2230.html
> >
>

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, fdoddy@... wrote:
>
>
> I didn't need good speakers to make "Dark Side..." an experience to remember. I just..well...lets leave it at that.
>
>
> fritz
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Brumm <gabru@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:07 pm
> Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Clay, I used to have a set of Quads w/amps and they were great. Not a high SPL design but bow what a nice transparent sound.
> I am working on rebuilding a studio for a guy and he had a set stored in his equipment room. I was tempted to see if he would
> sell them but I need to make money these days as opposed to spending it J. I miss those days of hi fi….I was constantly buying
> and selling gear to try different combinations. I even had the huge Klipsch corner ho rns at one point. They were the most efficient
> speakers I have ever seen…..They really made Dark Side of the Moon an experience to remember! ….those were good times….. :)
>
> Gary
>
>
>
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ClayE
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31 , 2011 2:59 PM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
>
>
>
>
>
> Gary:
> I assure you that I was aware that I wasn't restoring a California built Marantz. I have owned Pioneer, Denon and Sony stuff and it all went in the trash. The fact that the 70's Marantz stuff is still functioning today, (usually without any lights) is a good indication of the quality.
>
> I don't care what they sell for. It sounds good, it's nice to look at and I needed some practice soldering.
>
> You might be interested to know that I have a pair of Quad II power amps with Quad ESL 57's. I temporarily wired the Marantz receiver to the ESL's. (I know it's a shitty combination and will stress the receiver!) BUT it sounded pretty damn sweet.
>
> Clay
>
> --- I n newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Gary Brumm <gabru@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Clay,
> >
> > The 2230 is worth $200 on a good day. Why would anyone invest the time and money to restore one of these receivers. These were
> > Sony Superscope products made in Japan long after Saul Marantz had sold off the company. They are a typical receiver from the 70's
> > and are on par with several other manufacturers (Nikko, Pioneer, Sansui, etc.) of the era. I used to sell and service these things back in
> > those days so I know them inside and out. Now if you can find a good deal on a Marantz 10B FM receiver you have something special.
> > The 10B and the McIntosh MR71 receivers are probably the best designed FM receivers ever produced.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> > From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ClayE
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:39 AM
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Marantz 2230 restoration
> >
> >
> >
> > Gotta love the Internets. This restoration job was a breeze with step-by-step instructions from irebuildmarantz.com. These old receivers are well built. Far better than the SHIT they make now.
> >
> > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/newmellotrongroup/
> >
> > http://www.irebuildmarantz.com/restoration/2230.html
> >
>

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> I had two home made crystal radios tuned to two different signals with an
> earphone from one in my left ear and one from the other in my right. It
> wasn't stereo but it was hard to listen to.
>
>
> In a message dated 8/31/2011 11:43:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> mellotronmadness@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> I had an old Philco radio and a Grundig tape recorder, but that was back in
> the days of John Peel and Radio 1 in concert. Thankfully I have forgotten
> "Dark side of the Moon"
>
> Mark
>
> --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) , fdoddy@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > I didn't need good speakers to make "Dark Side..." an experience to
> remember. I just..well...lets leave it at that.
> >
> >
> > fritz
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gary Brumm <gabru@>
> > To: newmellotrongroup <_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) >
> > Sent: Wed, Aug 31, 2011 8:07 pm
> > Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Clay, I used to have a set of Quads w/amps and they were great. Not a
> high SPL design but bow what a nice transparent sound.
> > I am working on rebuilding a studio for a guy and he had a set stored in
> his equipment room. I was tempted to see if he would
> > sell them but I need to make money these days as opposed to spending it
> J. I miss those days of hi fi….I was constantly buying
> > and selling gear to try different combinations. I even had the huge
> Klipsch corner ho rns at one point. They were the most efficient
> > speakers I have ever seen…..They really made Dark Side of the Moon an
> experience to remember! ….those were good times….. :)
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> >
> > From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of ClayE
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 31 , 2011 2:59 PM
> > To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)
> > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Gary:
> > I assure you that I was aware that I wasn't restoring a California built
> Marantz. I have owned Pioneer, Denon and Sony stuff and it all went in the
> trash. The fact that the 70's Marantz stuff is still functioning today,
> (usually without any lights) is a good indication of the quality.
> >
> > I don't care what they sell for. It sounds good, it's nice to look at
> and I needed some practice soldering.
> >
> > You might be interested to know that I have a pair of Quad II power amps
> with Quad ESL 57's. I temporarily wired the Marantz receiver to the ESL's.
> (I know it's a shitty combination and will stress the receiver!) BUT it
> sounded pretty damn sweet.
> >
> > Clay
> >
> > --- I n _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) , Gary Brumm <gabru@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Clay,
> > >
> > > The 2230 is worth $200 on a good day. Why would anyone invest the time
> and money to restore one of these receivers. These were
> > > Sony Superscope products made in Japan long after Saul Marantz had
> sold off the company. They are a typical receiver from the 70's
> > > and are on par with several other manufacturers (Nikko, Pioneer,
> Sansui, etc.) of the era. I used to sell and service these things back in
> > > those days so I know them inside and out. Now if you can find a good
> deal on a Marantz 10B FM receiver you have something special.
> > > The 10B and the McIntosh MR71 receivers are probably the best designed
> FM receivers ever produced.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Gary
> > >
> > >
> > > From: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) [mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ] On Behalf Of ClayE
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:39 AM
> > > To: _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com)
> > > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Marantz 2230 restoration
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Gotta love the Internets. This restoration job was a breeze with
> step-by-step instructions from irebuildmarantz.com. These old receivers are well
> built. Far better than the SHIT they make now.
> > >
> > > _http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/newmellotrongroup/_
> (http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/newmellotrongroup/)
> > >
> > > _http://www.irebuildmarantz.com/restoration/2230.html_
> (http://www.irebuildmarantz.com/restoration/2230.html)
> > >
> >
>

On 01/09/2011 03:28, fdoddy@aol.com wrote:

Oooh! Mikey went on extraordinary musical adventure!!!

I did! I'm not sure how much good a lot of it did me, but it was pretty weird by most standards. Hell, I was listening to cave recordings from Estonia (I think) for about two months until I was begged to turn that damned thing off. Most of my contemporaries would question my ability to resist the likes of Dire Straits. To me it was never a matter of choice.

Mike 'Shackleton' Dickson

On 31/08/2011 22:58, ClayE wrote:

Gary:
I assure you that I was aware that I wasn't restoring a California built Marantz. I have owned Pioneer, Denon and Sony stuff and it all went in the trash. The fact that the 70's Marantz stuff is still functioning today, (usually without any lights) is a good indication of the quality.

My Marantz record deck only stopped functioning two years ago. In that interim I think I had at least three others. It was built to last. I also have a fairly low-rent Marazntz CD player I bought about 20 years ago which has given me nary a moment's trouble. Again, many others have come and gone in that time.

It's not the best gear made in Christendom and often used to get pretty scathing reviews in the hifi press, such as it was. There was a snob value hifi shop in town that offered a deal of some sort when you brought in your (specifically) Marantz gear to 'trade up' to some absurdly expensive new bit of kit. I wandered in and asked them what they did with the units people brought in but they didn't want to answer, for some reason. Many years later I met someone who had briefly worked in the shop who told me; the guys in the shop took it home and used it for themselves. (He also added that it didn't happen very often that people gave it away)

Mike

On 8/31/11 9:30 PM, ClayE wrote:
> A new pair of Khorns will set you back about $7000. If I ever get a suitable room to put them in, I'll get a pair. Not the new ones. An old scratched-up pair will suit me fine.
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Gary Brumm<gabru@...> wrote:
>> Clay, I used to have a set of Quads w/amps and they were great. Not a high SPL design but bow what a nice transparent sound.
>> I am working on rebuilding a studio for a guy and he had a set stored in his equipment room. I was tempted to see if he would
>> sell them but I need to make money these days as opposed to spending it :). I miss those days of hi fi....I was constantly buying
>> and selling gear to try different combinations. I even had the huge Klipsch corner horns at one point. They were the most efficient
>> speakers I have ever seen.....They really made Dark Side of the Moon an experience to remember! ....those were good times..... :)
>>
>> Gary

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "John Wright" <john.wright@...> wrote:
>
> My 70's rig is a Technics SU-7700 integrated amp, Rotel turntable with
> Stanton 881S cartridge and, don't laugh, Realistic Mach 1 speakers.
> Used to work at Radio Shack.
>
>
>
> Everything still works. Added a CD player when they were invented.
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tron400
> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 9:52 AM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
>
>
>
>
>
> My receiver of choice in the '70s was an Onkyo TX-2500 amp/receiver.
> It's the only DC-coupled amp that I know of. I could push it full volume
> through my JBL 4311's without distortion. The Onkyo lasted about 25
> years and was replaced a few years ago by an Onkyo TX-8511. I don't
> think it's DC-coupled though. The JBL's are still going strong. Both are
> what my M400 goes through.
>
> Bernie
>

From: ClayE <ecclesreinson@rogers.com>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 1, 2011, 8:46 AM

Oh Mach 1's - When those 15' woofs stop woofing you can use them for salad bowls. They were actually quite good value for the money.

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "John Wright" <john.wright@...> wrote:
>
> My 70's rig is a Technics SU-7700 integrated amp, Rotel turntable with
> Stanton 881S cartridge and, don't laugh, Realistic Mach 1 speakers.
> Used to work at Radio Shack.
>
>
>
> Everything still works. Added a CD player when they were invented.
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tron400
> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 9:52 AM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
>
>
>
>
>
> My receiver of choice in the '70s was an Onkyo TX-2500 amp/receiver.
> It's the only DC-coupled amp that I know of. I could push it full volume
> through my JBL 4311's without distortion. The Onkyo lasted about 25
> years and was replaced a few years ago by an Onkyo TX-8511. I don't
> think it's DC-coupled though. The JBL's are still going strong. Both are
> what my M400 goes through.
>
> Bernie
>

My receiver of choice in the '70s was an Onkyo TX-2500 amp/receiver. It's the only DC-coupled amp that I know of. I could push it full volume through my JBL 4311's without distortion. The Onkyo lasted about 25 years and was replaced a few years ago by an Onkyo TX-8511. I don't think it's DC-coupled though. The JBL's are still going strong. Both are what my M400 goes through.

Bernie

A new pair of Khorns will set you back about $7000. If I ever get a suitable room to put them in, I'll get a pair. Not the new ones. An old scratched-up pair will suit me fine.

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Gary Brumm <gabru@...> wrote:
>
> Clay, I used to have a set of Quads w/amps and they were great. Not a high SPL design but bow what a nice transparent sound.
> I am working on rebuilding a studio for a guy and he had a set stored in his equipment room. I was tempted to see if he would
> sell them but I need to make money these days as opposed to spending it :). I miss those days of hi fi....I was constantly buying
> and selling gear to try different combinations. I even had the huge Klipsch corner horns at one point. They were the most efficient
> speakers I have ever seen.....They really made Dark Side of the Moon an experience to remember! ....those were good times..... :)
>
> Gary
>
>
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ClayE
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 2:59 PM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
>
>
>
> Gary:
> I assure you that I was aware that I wasn't restoring a California built Marantz. I have owned Pioneer, Denon and Sony stuff and it all went in the trash. The fact that the 70's Marantz stuff is still functioning today, (usually without any lights) is a good indication of the quality.
>
> I don't care what they sell for. It sounds good, it's nice to look at and I needed some practice soldering.
>
> You might be interested to know that I have a pair of Quad II power amps with Quad ESL 57's. I temporarily wired the Marantz receiver to the ESL's. (I know it's a shitty combination and will stress the receiver!) BUT it sounded pretty damn sweet.
>
> Clay
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, Gary Brumm <gabru@<mailto:gabru@>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Clay,
> >
> > The 2230 is worth $200 on a good day. Why would anyone invest the time and money to restore one of these receivers. These were
> > Sony Superscope products made in Japan long after Saul Marantz had sold off the company. They are a typical receiver from the 70's
> > and are on par with several other manufacturers (Nikko, Pioneer, Sansui, etc.) of the era. I used to sell and service these things back in
> > those days so I know them inside and out. Now if you can find a good deal on a Marantz 10B FM receiver you have something special.
> > The 10B and the McIntosh MR71 receivers are probably the best designed FM receivers ever produced.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> > From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of ClayE
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 7:39 AM
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Marantz 2230 restoration
> >
> >
> >
> > Gotta love the Internets. This restoration job was a breeze with step-by-step instructions from irebuildmarantz.com. These old receivers are well built. Far better than the SHIT they make now.
> >
> > http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/newmellotrongroup/
> >
> > http://www.irebuildmarantz.com/restoration/2230.html
> >
>

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, tronbros <tronbros@...> wrote:
>
> I have a Luxman PD262 turntable and Luxman 1040 receiver. Love them both. The deck needs a service so Project III as a replacement which is astonishingly good for relatively cheap money.
>
> M
>
> mellotronics.co.uk
>
>
>
> On 1 Sep 2011, at 14:51, "tron400" <tron400@...> wrote:
>
> > My receiver of choice in the '70s was an Onkyo TX-2500 amp/receiver. It's the only DC-coupled amp that I know of. I could push it full volume through my JBL 4311's without distortion. The Onkyo lasted about 25 years and was replaced a few years ago by an Onkyo TX-8511. I don't think it's DC-coupled though. The JBL's are still going strong. Both are what my M400 goes through.
> >
> > Bernie
> >
> >
>

On 1 Sep 2011, at 18:37, "ClayE" <ecclesreinson@rogers.com> wrote:

> I could use a new TT. Did you mean the Pro-Ject Debut III? Looks like it comes with an Ortofon OM5e.

From: ClayE <ecclesreinson@rogers.com>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 1, 2011, 11:37 AM

I could use a new TT. Did you mean the Pro-Ject Debut III? Looks like it comes with an Ortofon OM5e.

http://www.project-audio.com/main.php?prod=debut

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, tronbros <tronbros@...> wrote:
>
> I have a Luxman PD262 turntable and Luxman 1040 receiver. Love them both. The deck needs a service so Project III as a replacement which is astonishingly good for relatively cheap money.
>
> M
>
> mellotronics.co.uk
>
>
>
> On 1 Sep 2011, at 14:51, "tron400" <tron400@...> wrote:
>
> > My receiver of choice in the '70s was an Onkyo TX-2500 amp/receiver. It's the only DC-coupled amp that I know of. I could push it full volume through my JBL 4311's without distortion. The Onkyo lasted about 25 years and was replaced a few years ago by an Onkyo TX-8511. I don't think it's DC-coupled though. The JBL's are still going strong. Both are what my M400 goes through.
> >
> > Bernie
> >
> >
>

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net> wrote:

Does anyone remember the Weathers turntable? I had one and it came with a wooden tonearm carved for a specific cartridge.

It was 33 only and had two synchronous motors and a mercury switch. It would come up to stable speed in about a quarter turn.

--

john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*

*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net> wrote:

As far as cool I think my B&O lateral tracking TT was very cool and also high maintenance!

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john barrick
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 7:38 PM

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration

I remember a turntable with a wooden tone arm, didn't know the name. My favorites just for looking cool were the flying saucer looking Dennons in the mid/late '70s and the Micro Seiki that had mounts for three different tone arms. I was on a budget and stuck with Technics DD tables.

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net> wrote:

Does anyone remember the Weathers turntable? I had one and it came with a wooden tonearm carved for a specific cartridge.

It was 33 only and had two synchronous motors and a mercury switch. It would come up to stable speed in about a quarter turn.

--

john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*

*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*

--

john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*

*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*

From: Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net>
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, September 1, 2011, 10:19 PM

Actually the B&O stuff looked like it belonged in a dentist office…..I worked on a lot of B&O product

and it was a form over function company. Like the overpriced esoteric wires and other “magic” stuff

it falls into the category of audio jewelry. I was fortunate to know dealers of a lot of high end audio stuff

and there is a lot of well-designed stuff out there but when you get in to the “audiophile” super high end

there is a lot of smoke and mirrors (and ridiculous price tags). Monster Cable is an interesting company,

they make wild unsubstantiated claims about their products and because they make it look cool people

fall for it. Their “engineers” are more like marketing people than technical people. I got a lot of their

products for free as a result of working on projects for them. I have a big box of bad cables that it all Monster.

They are pretty but very prone to failure. But Noel is a very wealthy guy and Tony would flip over is

exotic car collection. Sorry to ramble on but this hi fi discussion brings back a lot of memories. Now

I just want a amp with remote control and I am happy….boy I must be older than I thought…………

g

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john barrick
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 8:19 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration

Hate to say it, but I was a teen and that one just didn't look cool to me at all - then again, at that point I didn't appreciate the scandanavian design.

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net> wrote:

As far as cool I think my B&O lateral tracking TT was very cool and also high maintenance!

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john barrick
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 7:38 PM

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration

I remember a turntable with a wooden tone arm, didn't know the name. My favorites just for looking cool were the flying saucer looking Dennons in the mid/late '70s and the Micro Seiki that had mounts for three different tone arms. I was on a budget and stuck with Technics DD tables.

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net> wrote:

Does anyone remember the Weathers turntable? I had one and it came with a wooden tonearm carved for a specific cartridge.

It was 33 only and had two synchronous motors and a mercury switch. It would come up to stable speed in about a quarter turn.

--

john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*

*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*

--

john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*

*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tron400" <tron400@...> wrote:
>
> For about a year, I worked in a local stereo chain that had a pro audio department. Between the home and pro sections, some of the brands they were pushing were:
>
> Nakamichi cassette decks
> Heil speakers
> Magnapan and Magnaplanar speakers
>
> They don't seem to get much mention in audiophile discussions. Anyone familiar with them?
>
> Oh yeah, they also had their own synthesizer: Electrocomp.
>
> Bernie
>

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Gary Brumm <gabru@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Bernie,
>
> I had a Nakamichi 550 cassette deck that wad an excellent portable deck for recording live. It was the very first thing I bought on credit when I was a kid.
> I had the ESS Studio Monitors with the Heil AMT (Air Motion Tranformers) and 2 12's (one passive, one active).....very nice sounding until you pushed the real hard.
> I had Magnaplanars on load for a while and like the Quad's they were very open sounding and great for Jazz or Classical.
>
> g
>
>
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tron400
> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 4:38 AM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
>
>
>
> For about a year, I worked in a local stereo chain that had a pro audio department. Between the home and pro sections, some of the brands they were pushing were:
>
> Nakamichi cassette decks
>
> Heil speakers
>
> Magnapan and Magnaplanar speakers
>
> They don't seem to get much mention in audiophile discussions. Anyone familiar with them?
>
> Oh yeah, they also had their own synthesizer: Electrocomp.
>
> Bernie
>

I remember a turntable with a wooden tone arm, didn't know the name. My favorites just for looking cool were the flying saucer looking Dennons in the mid/late '70s and the Micro Seiki that had mounts for three different tone arms. I was on a budget and stuck with Technics DD tables.

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net> wrote:


Does anyone remember the Weathers turntable? I had one and it came with a wooden tonearm carved for a specific cartridge.

It was 33 only and had two synchronous motors and a mercury switch. It would come up to stable speed in about a quarter turn.

--

john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*

From: Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net>
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Friday, September 2, 2011, 10:21 AM

Hi Bruce,

We did extensive testing of various cables for a Magazine and you’re really better off with a good old Beldon cable.

We did everything from frequency response, impulse, capacitance, etc. to double blind listening tests. It’s interesting

that when people saw the shiny gold connectors on a high priced cable next to a boring set of regular cables they could

hear the difference but when they didn’t know what cable they were listening to they could not. Those spiral clawed

RCA cables from Monster used to break the jacks when inserted or removed. These days they sell digital cables that

they claim sound better and it’s just as ridiculous. Noel Lee laughs all the way to the bank! One of my favorites was

a telephone cable that made your dial up Internet speed faster. It was 6 feet long. I asked the engineer about the

house wiring which was intermingled with the mains and he didn’t know how to respond. At the end of the day a good

cable is one with good noise rejection and one that is quiet when shaken (instrument/mic cables), and coils nicely.

Any decent production cable will work fine. I remember a friend of mine paying over $300 in the 70’s for a 3 foot

phono cable. The pamphlet that came with it claimed that there were 3 gauges of wire inside and that the highs

traveled better down the small wires , the mids, the mid size wire, and the bass the larger wire. It then went on to

talk about “skin effect”, that as every real engineer knows, is a phenomena that only occurs at RF frequencies.

There is a lot of twisted science out there and a lot of powerful marketing to support it. There are a lot of great

cables out there at a reasonable price….quiet and durable. The Monster cable is quite popular in the car stereo

industry but in contests appearance is a big thing in their competitions.

Cheers,

Gary

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Daily
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 12:42 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration

Hey Gary-

Monster Cable stuff is ok, but stay with their cheapest cables that have serviceable plugs. I have found that they aren't assembled (soldered) very well, and need rework. I did notice that the sound was better, more solid. Heavier speaker wire helps, but again, stay with the basics.

I get the MusicDirect catalog, and some of the audio tweaks they sell are outrageous, and too expensive. Given some thought though, the ideas the tweaks employ can direct you to try cheaper home-brewed solutions.

MusicDirect also offers the Avid Acutus Reference SP Turntable for $20K (no tonearm). Hmm... They also have some new Luxman stuff.

-Bruce D.

(a poor audiophile with a 'tron)

--- On Thu, 9/1/11, Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net> wrote:

From: Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net>
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, September 1, 2011, 10:19 PM

Actually the B&O stuff looked like it belonged in a dentist office…..I worked on a lot of B&O product

and it was a form over function company. Like the overpriced esoteric wires and other “magic” stuff

it falls into the category of audio jewelry. I was fortunate to know dealers of a lot of high end audio stuff

and there is a lot of well-designed stuff out there but when you get in to the “audiophile” super high end

there is a lot of smoke and mirrors (and ridiculous price tags). Monster Cable is an interesting company,

they make wild unsubstantiated claims about their products and because they make it look cool people

fall for it. Their “engineers” are more like marketing people than technical people. I got a lot of their

products for free as a result of working on projects for them. I have a big box of bad cables that it all Monster.

They are pretty but very prone to failure. But Noel is a very wealthy guy and Tony would flip over is

exotic car collection. Sorry to ramble on but this hi fi discussion brings back a lot of memories. Now

I just want a amp with remote control and I am happy….boy I must be older than I thought…………

g

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john barrick
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 8:19 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration

Hate to say it, but I was a teen and that one just didn't look cool to me at all - then again, at that point I didn't appreciate the scandanavian design.

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net> wrote:

As far as cool I think my B&O lateral tracking TT was very cool and also high maintenance!

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of john barrick
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 7:38 PM

To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration

I remember a turntable with a wooden tone arm, didn't know the name. My favorites just for looking cool were the flying saucer looking Dennons in the mid/late '70s and the Micro Seiki that had mounts for three different tone arms. I was on a budget and stuck with Technics DD tables.

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net> wrote:

Does anyone remember the Weathers turntable? I had one and it came with a wooden tonearm carved for a specific cartridge.

It was 33 only and had two synchronous motors and a mercury switch. It would come up to stable speed in about a quarter turn.

--

john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*

*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*

--

john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*

*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*

From: Nic Lewis <nic@birotron.org>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, September 2, 2011, 2:41 PM

Talking of odd designs (wooden arms, B&O lateral tracking) does anyone recall a TT that used a pin point laser device to scan the track and the reflected light was received and converted to electrical signal (of course)? A sort of analogue bar code reader. It was marketed in the early 80s and as far as I recall cost about 1000 quid here.

Big selling point was no wear on the vinyl. Maybe a great idea a bit to early and overtaken by the digital revolution?

Best
Nic

At 03:38 02/09/2011, john barrick wrote:

I remember a turntable with a wooden tone arm, didn't know the name. My favorites just for looking cool were the flying saucer looking Dennons in the mid/late '70s and the Micro Seiki that had mounts for three different tone arms. I was on a budget and stuck with Technics DD tables.

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net> wrote:


Does anyone remember the Weathers turntable? I had one and it came with a wooden tonearm carved for a specific cartridge.

It was 33 only and had two synchronous motors and a mercury switch. It would come up to stable speed in about a quarter turn.

--

john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*

Nic-
I remember something about it, but don't remember the manufacturer. Did BIC have something to do with it? The unit could aim the beams at unused groove walls for better reproduction. It seemed to be the big talk in Audio magazine (my old favorite) for a year, then it wasn't mentioned again. I believe it was mentioned that marketing aimed the unit at music archivists (museums, libraries, etc.).

-Bruce D.


--- On Fri, 9/2/11, Nic Lewis <nic@birotron.org> wrote:

From: Nic Lewis <nic@birotron.org>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, September 2, 2011, 2:41 PM



Talking of odd designs (wooden arms, B&O lateral tracking) does anyone recall a TT that used a pin point laser device to scan the track and the reflected light was received and converted to electrical signal (of course)? A sort of analogue bar code reader. It was marketed in the early 80s and as far as I recall cost about 1000 quid here.

Big selling point was no wear on the vinyl. Maybe a great idea a bit to early and overtaken by the digital revolution?

Best
Nic

At 03:38 02/09/2011, john barrick wrote:

I remember a turntable with a wooden tone arm, didn't know the name. My favorites just for looking cool were the flying saucer looking Dennons in the mid/late '70s and the Micro Seiki that had mounts for three different tone arms. I was on a budget and stuck with Technics DD tables.

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Gary Brumm < gabru@comsec.net> wrote:
Does anyone remember the Weathers turntable? I had one and it came with a wooden tonearm carved for a specific cartridge.
It was 33 only and had two synchronous motors and a mercury switch. It would come up to stable speed in about a quarter turn.
--

john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*

From: Nic Lewis <nic@birotron.org>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, September 3, 2011, 12:05 PM

Bruce (et al),

I'm glad I didn't imagine it back then when I have to admit some days were blurry for the obvious reasons!

It seems that the technology is still alive and well (and expensive): http://www.audioturntable.com/about/index.html

But despite the dates in that page this would seem to chime more with my memories: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_turntable I think the ad I saw may have been before it was actually made and the suggested price an estimation of what it would be, but that error could easily be my memory.

Oh well another audio curiosity that went nowhere.


At 01:29 03/09/2011, Bruce Daily wrote:

Nic-
I remember something about it, but don't remember the manufacturer. Did BIC have something to do with it? The unit could aim the beams at unused groove walls for better reproduction. It seemed to be the big talk in Audio magazine (my old favorite) for a year, then it wasn't mentioned again. I believe it was mentioned that marketing aimed the unit at music archivists (museums, libraries, etc.).

-Bruce D.


--- On Fri, 9/2/11, Nic Lewis <nic@birotron.org> wrote:

From: Nic Lewis <nic@birotron.org>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Marantz 2230 restoration
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, September 2, 2011, 2:41 PM



Talking of odd designs (wooden arms, B&O lateral tracking) does anyone recall a TT that used a pin point laser device to scan the track and the reflected light was received and converted to electrical signal (of course)? A sort of analogue bar code reader. It was marketed in the early 80s and as far as I recall cost about 1000 quid here.

Big selling point was no wear on the vinyl. Maybe a great idea a bit to early and overtaken by the digital revolution?

Best
Nic

At 03:38 02/09/2011, john barrick wrote:

I remember a turntable with a wooden tone arm, didn't know the name. My favorites just for looking cool were the flying saucer looking Dennons in the mid/late '70s and the Micro Seiki that had mounts for three different tone arms. I was on a budget and stuck with Technics DD tables.

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Gary Brumm < gabru@comsec.net> wrote:
Does anyone remember the Weathers turntable? I had one and it came with a wooden tonearm carved for a specific cartridge.
It was 33 only and had two synchronous motors and a mercury switch. It would come up to stable speed in about a quarter turn.
--

john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*