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2011-08-22 by David Jacques
Sorry Mr F, I think they are appalling with a capital S! A hideous mound of utter garbage. But what do I know.....
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mellotronics.co.uk
On 22 Aug 2011, at 21:52, fdoddy@aol.com wrote:
> The Foo Fighters rock!
2011-08-22 by tron400
2011-08-22 by lsf5275@aol.com
Somewhere in this 110 minute pile of noise is an M4000D (D for digital). I couldn't take more than a couple of minutes of this crap (my opinion), so I never got to hear it in context. Maybe you have more tolerance than I.
http://www.cbs.com/late_night/liveonletterman/foo_fighters/video/
2011-08-22 by ClayE
--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
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> A speed-watched it and never once saw or heard the M4000D played.
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> In a message dated 8/22/2011 11:21:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> tron400@... writes:
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> Somewhere in this 110 minute pile of noise is an M4000D (D for digital). I
> couldn't take more than a couple of minutes of this crap (my opinion), so I
> never got to hear it in context. Maybe you have more tolerance than I.
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> _http://www.cbs.com/late_night/liveonletterman/foo_fighters/video/_
> (http://www.cbs.com/late_night/liveonletterman/foo_fighters/video/)
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2011-08-22 by Bruce Daily
--- On Mon, 8/22/11, lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:
From: lsf5275@aol.com <lsf5275@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 22, 2011, 9:38 AM
A speed-watched it and never once saw or heard the M4000D played.In a message dated 8/22/2011 11:21:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tron400@yahoo.com writes:Somewhere in this 110 minute pile of noise is an M4000D (D for digital). I couldn't take more than a couple of minutes of this crap (my opinion), so I never got to hear it in context. Maybe you have more tolerance than I.
http://www.cbs.com/late_night/liveonletterman/foo_fighters/video/
2011-08-22 by feline1973
--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tron400" <tron400@...> wrote:
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> Somewhere in this 110 minute pile of noise is an M4000D (D for digital). I couldn't take more than a couple of minutes of this crap (my opinion), so I never got to hear it in context. Maybe you have more tolerance than I.
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> http://www.cbs.com/late_night/liveonletterman/foo_fighters/video/
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2011-08-22 by fdoddy@aol.com
--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
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> A speed-watched it and never once saw or heard the M4000D played.
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> In a message dated 8/22/2011 11:21:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> tron400@... writes:
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> Somewhere in this 110 minute pile of noise is an M4000D (D for digital). I
> couldn't take more than a couple of minutes of this crap (my opinion), so I
> never got to hear it in context. Maybe you have more tolerance than I.
>
> _http://www.cbs.com/late_night/liveonletterman/foo_fighters/video/_
> (http://www.cbs.com/late_night/liveonletterman/foo_fighters/video/)
>
2011-08-22 by tronbros
On 22 Aug 2011, at 21:52, fdoddy@aol.com wrote:
> The Foo Fighters rock!
2011-08-23 by Bruce Daily
--- On Mon, 8/22/11, David Jacques <djacques@csulb.edu> wrote:
From: David Jacques <djacques@csulb.edu>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 22, 2011, 8:06 AM
What exactly is a "Foo" anyway? and Why are they fighting them?
On Aug 23, 2011, at 12:11 AM, tronbros wrote:
Sorry Mr F, I think they are appalling with a capital S! A hideous mound of utter garbage. But what do I know.....
M
mellotronics.co.uk
On 22 Aug 2011, at 21:52, fdoddy@aol.com wrote:
> The Foo Fighters rock!
2011-08-23 by Tony
From: David Jacques <djacques@csulb.edu>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 22, 2011, 8:06 AM
What exactly is a "Foo" anyway? and Why are they fighting them?On Aug 23, 2011, at 12:11 AM, tronbros wrote:
Sorry Mr F, I think they are appalling with a capital S! A hideous mound of utter garbage. But what do I know.....
M
mellotronics.co.uk
On 22 Aug 2011, at 21:52, fdoddy@aol.com wrote:
> The Foo Fighters rock!
2011-08-23 by Mike Dickson
On 23/08/2011 02:48, Bruce Daily wrote:
Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?(or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)-Bruce D.
2011-08-23 by Chris Dale
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com> wrote:I feel grateful that I've never even heard of these guys at all.
On 23/08/2011 02:48, Bruce Daily wrote:
Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?(or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)-Bruce D.
2011-08-23 by mellotronmadness
--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@...> wrote:
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> The word "Foo Fighter" was a reference to a type of UFO seen over battle
> skies during WWII.
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> As far as this band goes, I also feel they suck but then I thought Nirvana
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> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...>wrote:
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> > On 23/08/2011 02:48, Bruce Daily wrote:
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2011-08-23 by tron400
--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@...> wrote:
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> Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?
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> --- On Mon, 8/22/11, David Jacques <djacques@...> wrote:
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> From: David Jacques <djacques@...>
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, August 22, 2011, 8:06 AM
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> On 22 Aug 2011, at 21:52, fdoddy@... wrote:
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2011-08-23 by fdoddy@aol.com
On 23/08/2011 02:48, Bruce Daily wrote:
Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?(or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)-Bruce D.
2011-08-23 by fdoddy@aol.com
--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@...> wrote:
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> The word "Foo Fighter" was a reference to a type of UFO seen over battle
> skies during WWII.
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> As far as this band goes, I also feel they suck but then I thought Nirvana
> was (and still is) an overrated stinking pile of crap too.
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> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...>wrote:
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> > On 23/08/2011 02:48, Bruce Daily wrote:
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> > Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?
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> > -Bruce D.
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2011-08-23 by fdoddy@aol.com
--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@...> wrote:
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> Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?
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> (or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)
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> Â Â -Bruce D.
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> --- On Mon, 8/22/11, David Jacques <djacques@...> wrote:
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> From: David Jacques <djacques@...>
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, August 22, 2011, 8:06 AM
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> Sorry Mr F, I think they are appalling with a capital S! A hideous mound of utter garbage. But what do I know.....
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> On 22 Aug 2011, at 21:52, fdoddy@... wrote:
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2011-08-23 by NormLeete@aol.com
2011-08-23 by John Wright
Even older, “Many men eat but Foo men chew”
John
#911
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newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 1:05 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
From an old joke, “if the Foo shits, wear it”!
Tony
From: Bruce Daily
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?
(or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)
-Bruce D.
--- On Mon, 8/22/11, David Jacques <djacques@csulb.edu>
wrote:
From: David Jacques <djacques@csulb.edu>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 22, 2011, 8:06 AM
What exactly is a "Foo" anyway? and Why are they fighting them?
On Aug 23, 2011, at 12:11 AM, tronbros wrote:
Sorry Mr F, I think they are appalling with a capital S! A hideous mound of utter garbage. But what do I know.....
M
mellotronics.co.uk
On 22 Aug 2011, at 21:52, fdoddy@aol.com wrote:
> The Foo Fighters rock!
2011-08-23 by tron400
--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "John Wright" <john.wright@...> wrote:
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> Even older, âMany men eat but Foo men chewâ
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> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tony
> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 1:05 AM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
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> From an old joke, âif the Foo shits, wear itâ!
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> Tony
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> From: Bruce Daily <mailto:pocotron@...>
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> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 6:48 PM
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> --- On Mon, 8/22/11, David Jacques <djacques@...> wrote:
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> From: David Jacques <djacques@...>
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, August 22, 2011, 8:06 AM
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> Sorry Mr F, I think they are appalling with a capital S! A hideous mound of utter garbage. But what do I know.....
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> On 22 Aug 2011, at 21:52, fdoddy@... <http://us.mc1259.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fdoddy%40aol.com> wrote:
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> > The Foo Fighters rock!
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2011-08-23 by lsf5275@aol.com
The term foo fighter was used by Allied aircraft pilots in World War II to describe various UFOs or mysterious aerial phenomena seen in the skies over both the European and Pacific Theater of Operations.
Though "foo fighter" initially described a type of UFO reported and named by the U.S. 415th Night Fighter Squadron, the term was also commonly used to mean any UFO sighting from that period.[1]
Formally reported from November 1944 onwards, witnesses often assumed that the foo fighters were secret weapons employed by the enemy, but they remained unidentified post-war and were reported by both Allied and Axis forces. Michael D. Swords[2] writes,
"During WWII, the foo fighter experiences of [Allied] pilots were taken very seriously. Accounts of these cases were presented to heavyweight scientists, such as David Griggs, Luis Alvarez and H.P. Robertson. The phenomenon was never explained. Most of the information about the issue has never been released by military intelligence."Contents[hide][edit] Etymology Look up foo in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.The nonsense word "foo" emerged in popular culture during the early 1930s, it was first used by cartoonist Bill Holman who peppered his Smokey Stover[3] fireman cartoon strips with "foo" signs and puns.[4][5] Holman claimed to have found the word on the bottom of a Chinese figurine.[6] It was part of service culture by World War II and is thought to have led to the backronym FUBAR.[6] By 1944, the term "foo fighter" was used by radar operators to describe a spurious or dubious trace.[6]
The term foo was borrowed from Bill Holman's Smokey Stover by a radar operator in the 415th Night Fighter Squadron, Donald J. Meiers, who it is agreed by most 415th members gave the foo fighters their name. Don was from Chicago and was an avid reader of Bill Holman's strip which was run daily in the Chicago Tribune. Smokey Stover's catch phrase was "where there's foo, there's fire" and this was possibly derived from the French word for fire, "le feu". In a mission debriefing on the evening November 27, 1944, Fritz Ringwald, the unit's S-2 Intelligence Officer, stated that Don Meiers and Ed Schleuter had sighted a red ball of fire that appeared to chase them through a variety of high-speed maneuvers. Fritz said that Don was extremely agitated and had a copy of the comic strip tucked in his back pocket. He pulled it out and slammed it down on Fritz's desk and said, "... it was another one of those fuckin' foo fighters!" and stormed out of the debriefing room.[7] However, in a Channel 4 documentary aired 3rd June 2011, reporter Nick Cook showed an RAF pilot's report, obtained from RAF archives, reporting a UFO incident with a similar red ball of fire on a bombing mission over Germany, but dated 1942 and taken with fact that the term was already in use by radar operators in 1944, must raise some query as to the origin of the term [8]
According to Fritz Ringwald, because of the lack of a better name, it stuck. And this was originally what the men of the 415th started calling these incidents: "Fuckin' Foo Fighters." In December 1944, a press correspondent from the Associated Press in Paris, Bob Wilson, was sent to the 415th at their base outside of Dijon, France to investigate this story.[9] It was at this time that the term was cleaned up to just foo fighters. The unit commander, Capt. Harold Augsperger, also decided to shorten the term to foo fighters in the unit's historical data.[7]
[edit] HistoryThe first sightings occurred in November 1944, when pilots flying over Germany by night reported seeing fast-moving round glowing objects following their aircraft. The objects were variously described as fiery, and glowing red, white, or orange. Some pilots described them as resembling Christmas tree lights and reported that they seemed to toy with the aircraft, making wild turns before simply vanishing. Pilots and aircrew reported that the objects flew formation with their aircraft and behaved as if under intelligent control, but never displayed hostile behavior. However, they could not be outmaneuvered or shot down. The phenomenon was so widespread that the lights earned a name - in the European Theater of Operations they were often called "kraut fireballs" but for the most part called "foo-fighters". The military took the sightings seriously, suspecting that the mysterious sightings might be secret German weapons, but further investigation revealed that German and Japanese pilots had reported similar sightings.[10]
In its 15 January 1945 edition Time magazine carried a story entitled "Foo-Fighter", in which it reported that the "balls of fire" had been following USAAF night fighters for over a month, and that the pilots had named it the "foo-fighter". According to Time, descriptions of the phenomena varied, but the pilots agreed that the mysterious lights followed their aircraft closely at high speed. Some scientists at the time rationalized the sightings as an illusion probably caused by afterimages of dazzle caused by flak bursts, while others suggested St. Elmo's Fire as an explanation.[11]
The "balls of fire" phenomenon reported from the Pacific Theater of Operations differed somewhat from the foo fighters reported from Europe; the "ball of fire" resembled a large burning sphere which "just hung in the sky", though it was reported to sometimes follow aircraft. On one occasion, the gunner of a B-29 aircraft managed to hit one with gunfire, causing it to break up into several large pieces which fell on buildings below and set them on fire. As with the European foo fighters, no aircraft was reported as having been attacked by a "ball of fire"[12]
The postwar Robertson Panel cited foo fighter reports, noting that their behavior did not appear to be threatening, and mentioned possible explanations, for instance that they were electrostatic phenomena similar to St. Elmo's fire, electromagnetic phenomena, or simply reflections of light from ice crystals. The Panel's report suggested that "If the term "flying saucers" had been popular in 1943-1945, these objects would have been so labeled."[13]
[edit] SightingsFoo fighters were reported on many occasions from around the world; a few examples are noted below.
- Sighting from September 1941 in the Indian Ocean was similar to some later Foo Fighter reports. From the deck of the S.S. Pułaski (a Polish merchant vessel transporting British troops), two sailors reported a "strange globe glowing with greenish light, about half the size of the full moon as it appears to us."[14] They alerted a British officer, who watched the object's movements with them for over an hour.
- Charles R. Bastien of the Eighth Air Force reported one of the first encounters with foo fighters over the Belgium/Holland area; he described them as "two fog lights flying at high rates of speed that could change direction rapidly". During debriefing, his intelligence officer told him that two RAF night fighters had reported the same thing, and it was later reported in British newspapers.[15]
[edit] Explanations and theories
- Career U.S. Air Force pilot Duane Adams often related that he had witnessed two occurrences of a bright light which paced his aircraft for about half an hour and then rapidly ascended into the sky. Both incidents occurred at night, both over the South Pacific, and both were witnessed by the entire aircraft crew. The first sighting occurred shortly after the end of World War II while Adams piloted a B-25 bomber. The second sighting occurred in the early 1960s when Adams was piloting a KC-135 tanker.
- Author Renato Vesco revived the wartime theory that the foo fighters were a new Nazi secret weapon in his non-fiction work 'Intercept UFO', reprinted in a revised English edition as 'Man-Made UFOs: 50 Years Of Suppression' in 1994. Vesco alleges that the foo fighters were in fact a form of ground-launched automatically guided jet-propelled flak mine called the Feuerball (Fireball). The device, operated by special SS units, apparently resembled a tortoise shell in shape, and flew by means of gas jets that spun like a Catherine wheel around the fuselage. Miniature klystron tubes inside the device, in combination with the gas jets, created the foo fighters' characteristic glowing spheroid appearance. A crude form of collision avoidance radar ensured the craft would not crash into another airborne object, and an onboard sensor mechanism would even instruct the machine to depart swiftly if it was fired upon. The purpose of the Feuerball, according to Vesco, was two-fold. The appearance of this weird device inside a bomber stream would (and indeed did) have a distracting and disruptive effect on the bomber pilots; and Vesco alleges that the devices were also intended to have an offensive capability. Electrostatic discharges from the klystron tubes would, he states, interfere with the ignition systems of the bombers' engines, causing the planes to crash. Although there is no hard evidence to support the reality of the Feuerball drone, this theory has been taken up by other aviation/ufology authors, and has even been cited as the most likely explanation for the phenomena in at least one recent television documentary on Nazi secret weapons.[16][17]
- A type of electrical discharge from airplanes' wings (see St. Elmo's Fire) has been suggested as an explanation, since it has been known to appear at the wingtips of aircraft.[11]
- It has been pointed out that some of the descriptions of foo fighters closely resemble those of ball lightning.[18]
- During April 1945, the US Navy began to experiment on visual illusions as experienced by night time aviators. This work began the US Navy's Bureau of Medicine (BUMED) project X-148-AV-4-3. This project pioneered the study of aviators' vertigo and was initiated because a wide variety of anomalous events were being reported by night time aviators. Dr. Edgar Vinacke, who was the premier flight psychologist on this project, summarized the need for a cohesive and systemic outline of the epidemiology of aviator's vertigo as,
"Pilots do not have sufficient information about phenomena of disorientation, and, as a corollary, are given considerable disorganized, incomplete, and inaccurate information. They are largely dependent upon their own experience, which must supplement and interpret the traditions about 'vertigo' which are passed on to them. When a concept thus grows out of anecdotes cemented together with practical necessity, it is bound to acquire elements of mystery. So far as 'vertigo' is concerned, no one really knows more than a small part of the facts, but a great deal of the peril. Since aviators are not skilled observers of human behavior, they usually have only the vaguest understanding of their own feelings. Like other naive persons, therefore, they have simply adopted a term to cover a multitude of otherwise inexplicable events."[19]
I feel grateful that I've never even heard of these guys at all.
On 23/08/2011 02:48, Bruce Daily wrote:
Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?(or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)-Bruce D.
2011-08-23 by feline1973
--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, fdoddy@... wrote:
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> To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
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> Colosseum Walking in the Park ( live)
> Cream Crossroads ( live).
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> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@> wrote:
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> > The word "Foo Fighter" was a reference to a type of UFO seen over battle
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> > was (and still is) an overrated stinking pile of crap too.
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> > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@>wrote:
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> > > On 23/08/2011 02:48, Bruce Daily wrote:
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> > > Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?
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> > > (or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)
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> > > -Bruce D.
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2011-08-23 by lsf5275@aol.com
Are you guys nuts? Numan made some exceptional records in his heyday, which I've owned for years and seen done live,
but in terms of musical form he was a total johnny-come-lately,
basically playing mid-70s glam-pub-rock (think "Glass of Champagne") and playing it with the same instrumentation of Bowie/Eno's "Warsawa" and Human League's "Being Boiled". That's pretty much all he did. It was pretty formulaic.
(Emotionally, he took out the cheeky flirtatious vibe, and replaced it with aspergic misery).
By "Dance" he got Mick Karn to play on his record and make it sound like Japan.
You seem oblivious to the entire post-kraftwerk electro dance music genres that have proliferated ever since "acid house" went into the charts in 1988... Where on earth have you been living for the last 25 years?! Inside a mellotron?!
All this notwithstanding, of course, you are quite correct that pretty much all comercial pop and rock is afflicted with a ridiculous retro mania - as Andy McCluskey of OMD opined last year when talking about their new album -
pop seems to exist as a perpetual museum exhibit these days - everything remains "in fashion" and you can do any genre you want, so long as you get your pastiche right and do all the correct elements credibly.
Although it could be argued that the quest for authentic mellotron sounds seen on this list is a perfect example of that, chin-strokers on here feeling that MTron plugins etc are insufficiently authentic.
Which is probably right - any full knows you need to play M-tron twice through a plate echo, slightly sharp of take 1 and slightly flat on take 2 and pan them like mad to get a cool sound ;)
--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, fdoddy@... wrote:
>
>
> yeah, Gary Numan certainly was the zenith...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mellotronmadness <mellotronmadness@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:17 am
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
>
>
>
>
>
> The Foo Fighters sound pretty generic to me they could be anyone and from anytime over the last 30 years.
>
> Although I no longer enjoy listening to progressive rock music much, at least it was new at the time, I can't think of anything new or different much after Garry Numan.
>
> I feel sorry for young people now, at least the stuff I listened to was new and didn't sound like my parent's music e.g Glen Miller. Today most of the stuff my kids listen to could have been recorded at anytime over the last 30-50 years. My parents hated King Crimson although my father did like Michael Gile's drumming on Schizoid Man. I don't hate my children's music I'm just bored by it.
>
> Oh God, I'm starting to sound like my dad.
>
> And speaking of "Nights in White Satin" it's the only song that I can still remember exactly where I was when I heard if for the first time: Heald Green, Stockport on 18th November 1968 approx 11pm.
>
> I suppose most popular music just isn't interesting enough to stand up to repeated playing over 4 decades. I still quite enjoy listening but it's really more to do with nostalgia than anything else.
>
> Mark
>
> PS 2 tracks that did stand the test of time for me, other than a most of John Lennon's work with the Beatles:
>
> Colosseum Walking in the Park ( live)
> Cream Crossroads ( live).
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@> wrote:
> >
> > The word "Foo Fighter" was a reference to a type of UFO seen over battle
> > skies during WWII.
> >
> >
> > As far as this band goes, I also feel they suck but then I thought Nirvana
> > was (and still is) an overrated stinking pile of crap too.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@>wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > I feel grateful that I've never even heard of these guys at all.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 23/08/2011 02:48, Bruce Daily wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?
> > >
> > > (or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)
> > >
> > > -Bruce D.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
2011-08-23 by djacques@csulb.edu
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
Are you guys nuts? Numan made some exceptional records in his heyday, which I've owned for years and seen done live,
but in terms of musical form he was a total johnny-come-lately,
basically playing mid-70s glam-pub-rock (think "Glass of Champagne") and playing it with the same instrumentation of Bowie/Eno's "Warsawa" and Human League's "Being Boiled". That's pretty much all he did. It was pretty formulaic.
(Emotionally, he took out the cheeky flirtatious vibe, and replaced it with aspergic misery).
By "Dance" he got Mick Karn to play on his record and make it sound like Japan.
You seem oblivious to the entire post-kraftwerk electro dance music genres that have proliferated ever since "acid house" went into the charts in 1988... Where on earth have you been living for the last 25 years?! Inside a mellotron?!
All this notwithstanding, of course, you are quite correct that pretty much all comercial pop and rock is afflicted with a ridiculous retro mania - as Andy McCluskey of OMD opined last year when talking about their new album -
pop seems to exist as a perpetual museum exhibit these days - everything remains "in fashion" and you can do any genre you want, so long as you get your pastiche right and do all the correct elements credibly.
Although it could be argued that the quest for authentic mellotron sounds seen on this list is a perfect example of that, chin-strokers on here feeling that MTron plugins etc are insufficiently authentic.
Which is probably right - any full knows you need to play M-tron twice through a plate echo, slightly sharp of take 1 and slightly flat on take 2 and pan them like mad to get a cool sound ;)
--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, fdoddy@... wrote:
>
>
> yeah, Gary Numan certainly was the zenith...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mellotronmadness <mellotronmadness@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:17 am
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
>
>
>
>
>
> The Foo Fighters sound pretty generic to me they could be anyone and from anytime over the last 30 years.
>
> Although I no longer enjoy listening to progressive rock music much, at least it was new at the time, I can't think of anything new or different much after Garry Numan.
>
> I feel sorry for young people now, at least the stuff I listened to was new and didn't sound like my parent's music e.g Glen Miller. Today most of the stuff my kids listen to could have been recorded at anytime over the last 30-50 years. My parents hated King Crimson although my father did like Michael Gile's drumming on Schizoid Man. I don't hate my children's music I'm just bored by it.
>
> Oh God, I'm starting to sound like my dad.
>
> And speaking of "Nights in White Satin" it's the only song that I can still remember exactly where I was when I heard if for the first time: Heald Green, Stockport on 18th November 1968 approx 11pm.
>
> I suppose most popular music just isn't interesting enough to stand up to repeated playing over 4 decades. I still quite enjoy listening but it's really more to do with nostalgia than anything else.
>
> Mark
>
> PS 2 tracks that did stand the test of time for me, other than a most of John Lennon's work with the Beatles:
>
> Colosseum Walking in the Park ( live)
> Cream Crossroads ( live).
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@> wrote:
> >
> > The word "Foo Fighter" was a reference to a type of UFO seen over battle
> > skies during WWII.
> >
> >
> > As far as this band goes, I also feel they suck but then I thought Nirvana
> > was (and still is) an overrated stinking pile of crap too.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@>wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > I feel grateful that I've never even heard of these guys at all.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 23/08/2011 02:48, Bruce Daily wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?
> > >
> > > (or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)
> > >
> > > -Bruce D.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
2011-08-23 by ClayE
--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "feline1973" <feline1@...> wrote:
>
> Are you guys nuts? Numan made some exceptional records in his heyday, which I've owned for years and seen done live,
> but in terms of musical form he was a total johnny-come-lately,
> basically playing mid-70s glam-pub-rock (think "Glass of Champagne") and playing it with the same instrumentation of Bowie/Eno's "Warsawa" and Human League's "Being Boiled". That's pretty much all he did. It was pretty formulaic.
> (Emotionally, he took out the cheeky flirtatious vibe, and replaced it with aspergic misery).
> By "Dance" he got Mick Karn to play on his record and make it sound like Japan.
>
> You seem oblivious to the entire post-kraftwerk electro dance music genres that have proliferated ever since "acid house" went into the charts in 1988... Where on earth have you been living for the last 25 years?! Inside a mellotron?!
>
> All this notwithstanding, of course, you are quite correct that pretty much all comercial pop and rock is afflicted with a ridiculous retro mania - as Andy McCluskey of OMD opined last year when talking about their new album -
> pop seems to exist as a perpetual museum exhibit these days - everything remains "in fashion" and you can do any genre you want, so long as you get your pastiche right and do all the correct elements credibly.
> Although it could be argued that the quest for authentic mellotron sounds seen on this list is a perfect example of that, chin-strokers on here feeling that MTron plugins etc are insufficiently authentic.
> Which is probably right - any full knows you need to play M-tron twice through a plate echo, slightly sharp of take 1 and slightly flat on take 2 and pan them like mad to get a cool sound ;)
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, fdoddy@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > yeah, Gary Numan certainly was the zenith...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mellotronmadness <mellotronmadness@>
> > To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:17 am
> > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The Foo Fighters sound pretty generic to me they could be anyone and from anytime over the last 30 years.
> >
> > Although I no longer enjoy listening to progressive rock music much, at least it was new at the time, I can't think of anything new or different much after Garry Numan.
> >
> > I feel sorry for young people now, at least the stuff I listened to was new and didn't sound like my parent's music e.g Glen Miller. Today most of the stuff my kids listen to could have been recorded at anytime over the last 30-50 years. My parents hated King Crimson although my father did like Michael Gile's drumming on Schizoid Man. I don't hate my children's music I'm just bored by it.
> >
> > Oh God, I'm starting to sound like my dad.
> >
> > And speaking of "Nights in White Satin" it's the only song that I can still remember exactly where I was when I heard if for the first time: Heald Green, Stockport on 18th November 1968 approx 11pm.
> >
> > I suppose most popular music just isn't interesting enough to stand up to repeated playing over 4 decades. I still quite enjoy listening but it's really more to do with nostalgia than anything else.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > PS 2 tracks that did stand the test of time for me, other than a most of John Lennon's work with the Beatles:
> >
> > Colosseum Walking in the Park ( live)
> > Cream Crossroads ( live).
> >
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@> wrote:
> > >
> > > The word "Foo Fighter" was a reference to a type of UFO seen over battle
> > > skies during WWII.
> > >
> > >
> > > As far as this band goes, I also feel they suck but then I thought Nirvana
> > > was (and still is) an overrated stinking pile of crap too.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@>wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I feel grateful that I've never even heard of these guys at all.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 23/08/2011 02:48, Bruce Daily wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?
> > > >
> > > > (or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)
> > > >
> > > > -Bruce D.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
2011-08-23 by lsf5275@aol.com
Yes. The Gary Numan formula had a pinch of Bowie, a dash of Eno, maybe a little Kraftwerk and a TON of John Foxx/Ultravox. Then Bauhaus took the formula and pasted it on to NIN.
Maybe there is no such thing as original material. Some songwriters come very close to creating original songs. Lennon and McCartney come to mind. Who else over the past 50 years? Brian Wilson? Simon and Garfunkel? Michael Jackson? Eminem? Madonna? ...several others but it's not a long list.
Clay
--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "feline1973" <feline1@...> wrote:
>
> Are you guys nuts? Numan made some exceptional records in his heyday, which I've owned for years and seen done live,
> but in terms of musical form he was a total johnny-come-lately,
> basically playing mid-70s glam-pub-rock (think "Glass of Champagne") and playing it with the same instrumentation of Bowie/Eno's "Warsawa" and Human League's "Being Boiled". That's pretty much all he did. It was pretty formulaic.
> (Emotionally, he took out the cheeky flirtatious vibe, and replaced it with aspergic misery).
> By "Dance" he got Mick Karn to play on his record and make it sound like Japan.
>
> You seem oblivious to the entire post-kraftwerk electro dance music genres that have proliferated ever since "acid house" went into the charts in 1988... Where on earth have you been living for the last 25 years?! Inside a mellotron?!
>
> All this notwithstanding, of course, you are quite correct that pretty much all comercial pop and rock is afflicted with a ridiculous retro mania - as Andy McCluskey of OMD opined last year when talking about their new album -
> pop seems to exist as a perpetual museum exhibit these days - everything remains "in fashion" and you can do any genre you want, so long as you get your pastiche right and do all the correct elements credibly.
> Although it could be argued that the quest for authentic mellotron sounds seen on this list is a perfect example of that, chin-strokers on here feeling that MTron plugins etc are insufficiently authentic.
> Which is probably right - any full knows you need to play M-tron twice through a plate echo, slightly sharp of take 1 and slightly flat on take 2 and pan them like mad to get a cool sound ;)
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, fdoddy@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > yeah, Gary Numan certainly was the zenith...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mellotronmadness <mellotronmadness@>
> > To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:17 am
> > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The Foo Fighters sound pretty generic to me they could be anyone and from anytime over the last 30 years.
> >
> > Although I no longer enjoy listening to progressive rock music much, at least it was new at the time, I can't think of anything new or different much after Garry Numan.
> >
> > I feel sorry for young people now, at least the stuff I listened to was new and didn't sound like my parent's music e.g Glen Miller. Today most of the stuff my kids listen to could have been recorded at anytime over the last 30-50 years. My parents hated King Crimson although my father did like Michael Gile's drumming on Schizoid Man. I don't hate my children's music I'm just bored by it.
> >
> > Oh God, I'm starting to sound like my dad.
> >
> > And speaking of "Nights in White Satin" it's the only song that I can still remember exactly where I was when I heard if for the first time: Heald Green, Stockport on 18th November 1968 approx 11pm.
> >
> > I suppose most popular music just isn't interesting enough to stand up to repeated playing over 4 decades. I still quite enjoy listening but it's really more to do with nostalgia than anything else.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > PS 2 tracks that did stand the test of time for me, other than a most of John Lennon's work with the Beatles:
> >
> > Colosseum Walking in the Park ( live)
> > Cream Crossroads ( live).
> >
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@> wrote:
> > >
> > > The word "Foo Fighter" was a reference to a type of UFO seen over battle
> > > skies during WWII.
> > >
> > >
> > > As far as this band goes, I also feel they suck but then I thought Nirvana
> > > was (and still is) an overrated stinking pile of crap too.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@>wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I feel grateful that I've never even heard of these guys at all.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 23/08/2011 02:48, Bruce Daily wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?
> > > >
> > > > (or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)
> > > >
> > > > -Bruce D.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
2011-08-23 by Vance Pomeroy
On 8/23/2011 8:38 AM, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:
Watch this video and learn. Nothing is new.In a message dated 8/23/2011 11:18:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ecclesreinson@rogers.com writes:Yes. The Gary Numan formula had a pinch of Bowie, a dash of Eno, maybe a little Kraftwerk and a TON of John Foxx/Ultravox. Then Bauhaus took the formula and pasted it on to NIN.
Maybe there is no such thing as original material. Some songwriters come very close to creating original songs. Lennon and McCartney come to mind. Who else over the past 50 years? Brian Wilson? Simon and Garfunkel? Michael Jackson? Eminem? Madonna? ...several others but it's not a long list.
Clay
--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "feline1973" <feline1@...> wrote:
>
> Are you guys nuts? Numan made some exceptional records in his heyday, which I've owned for years and seen done live,
> but in terms of musical form he was a total johnny-come-lately,
> basically playing mid-70s glam-pub-rock (think "Glass of Champagne") and playing it with the same instrumentation of Bowie/Eno's "Warsawa" and Human League's "Being Boiled". That's pretty much all he did. It was pretty formulaic.
> (Emotionally, he took out the cheeky flirtatious vibe, and replaced it with aspergic misery).
> By "Dance" he got Mick Karn to play on his record and make it sound like Japan.
>
> You seem oblivious to the entire post-kraftwerk electro dance music genres that have proliferated ever since "acid house" went into the charts in 1988... Where on earth have you been living for the last 25 years?! Inside a mellotron?!
>
> All this notwithstanding, of course, you are quite correct that pretty much all comercial pop and rock is afflicted with a ridiculous retro mania - as Andy McCluskey of OMD opined last year when talking about their new album -
> pop seems to exist as a perpetual museum exhibit these days - everything remains "in fashion" and you can do any genre you want, so long as you get your pastiche right and do all the correct elements credibly.
> Although it could be argued that the quest for authentic mellotron sounds seen on this list is a perfect example of that, chin-strokers on here feeling that MTron plugins etc are insufficiently authentic.
> Which is probably right - any full knows you need to play M-tron twice through a plate echo, slightly sharp of take 1 and slightly flat on take 2 and pan them like mad to get a cool sound ;)
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, fdoddy@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > yeah, Gary Numan certainly was the zenith...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mellotronmadness <mellotronmadness@>
> > To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:17 am
> > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The Foo Fighters sound pretty generic to me they could be anyone and from anytime over the last 30 years.
> >
> > Although I no longer enjoy listening to progressive rock music much, at least it was new at the time, I can't think of anything new or different much after Garry Numan.
> >
> > I feel sorry for young people now, at least the stuff I listened to was new and didn't sound like my parent's music e.g Glen Miller. Today most of the stuff my kids listen to could have been recorded at anytime over the last 30-50 years. My parents hated King Crimson although my father did like Michael Gile's drumming on Schizoid Man. I don't hate my children's music I'm just bored by it.
> >
> > Oh God, I'm starting to sound like my dad.
> >
> > And speaking of "Nights in White Satin" it's the only song that I can still remember exactly where I was when I heard if for the first time: Heald Green, Stockport on 18th November 1968 approx 11pm.
> >
> > I suppose most popular music just isn't interesting enough to stand up to repeated playing over 4 decades. I still quite enjoy listening but it's really more to do with nostalgia than anything else.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > PS 2 tracks that did stand the test of time for me, other than a most of John Lennon's work with the Beatles:
> >
> > Colosseum Walking in the Park ( live)
> > Cream Crossroads ( live).
> >
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@> wrote:
> > >
> > > The word "Foo Fighter" was a reference to a type of UFO seen over battle
> > > skies during WWII.
> > >
> > >
> > > As far as this band goes, I also feel they suck but then I thought Nirvana
> > > was (and still is) an overrated stinking pile of crap too.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@>wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I feel grateful that I've never even heard of these guys at all.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 23/08/2011 02:48, Bruce Daily wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?
> > > >
> > > > (or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)
> > > >
> > > > -Bruce D.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
2011-08-23 by Bruce Daily
--- On Mon, 8/22/11, Tony <atm655@verizon.net> wrote:
From: Tony <atm655@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 22, 2011, 11:04 PM
From an old joke, “if the Foo shits, wear it”!TonyFrom: Bruce DailySent: Monday, August 22, 2011 6:48 PMSubject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000DBetter yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?(or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)-Bruce D.
--- On Mon, 8/22/11, David Jacques <djacques@csulb.edu> wrote:
From: David Jacques <djacques@csulb.edu>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 22, 2011, 8:06 AM
What exactly is a "Foo" anyway? and Why are they fighting them?On Aug 23, 2011, at 12:11 AM, tronbros wrote:
Sorry Mr F, I think they are appalling with a capital S! A hideous mound of utter garbage. But what do I know.....
M
mellotronics.co.uk
On 22 Aug 2011, at 21:52, fdoddy@aol.com wrote:
> The Foo Fighters rock!
2011-08-23 by tron400
--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "ClayE" <ecclesreinson@...> wrote:
>
> Yes. The Gary Numan formula had a pinch of Bowie, a dash of Eno, maybe a little Kraftwerk and a TON of John Foxx/Ultravox. Then Bauhaus took the formula and pasted it on to NIN.
>
> Maybe there is no such thing as original material. Some songwriters come very close to creating original songs. Lennon and McCartney come to mind. Who else over the past 50 years? Brian Wilson? Simon and Garfunkel? Michael Jackson? Eminem? Madonna? ...several others but it's not a long list.
>
> Clay
>
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "feline1973" <feline1@> wrote:
> >
> > Are you guys nuts? Numan made some exceptional records in his heyday, which I've owned for years and seen done live,
> > but in terms of musical form he was a total johnny-come-lately,
> > basically playing mid-70s glam-pub-rock (think "Glass of Champagne") and playing it with the same instrumentation of Bowie/Eno's "Warsawa" and Human League's "Being Boiled". That's pretty much all he did. It was pretty formulaic.
> > (Emotionally, he took out the cheeky flirtatious vibe, and replaced it with aspergic misery).
> > By "Dance" he got Mick Karn to play on his record and make it sound like Japan.
> >
> > You seem oblivious to the entire post-kraftwerk electro dance music genres that have proliferated ever since "acid house" went into the charts in 1988... Where on earth have you been living for the last 25 years?! Inside a mellotron?!
> >
> > All this notwithstanding, of course, you are quite correct that pretty much all comercial pop and rock is afflicted with a ridiculous retro mania - as Andy McCluskey of OMD opined last year when talking about their new album -
> > pop seems to exist as a perpetual museum exhibit these days - everything remains "in fashion" and you can do any genre you want, so long as you get your pastiche right and do all the correct elements credibly.
> > Although it could be argued that the quest for authentic mellotron sounds seen on this list is a perfect example of that, chin-strokers on here feeling that MTron plugins etc are insufficiently authentic.
> > Which is probably right - any full knows you need to play M-tron twice through a plate echo, slightly sharp of take 1 and slightly flat on take 2 and pan them like mad to get a cool sound ;)
> >
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, fdoddy@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > yeah, Gary Numan certainly was the zenith...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: mellotronmadness <mellotronmadness@>
> > > To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:17 am
> > > Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The Foo Fighters sound pretty generic to me they could be anyone and from anytime over the last 30 years.
> > >
> > > Although I no longer enjoy listening to progressive rock music much, at least it was new at the time, I can't think of anything new or different much after Garry Numan.
> > >
> > > I feel sorry for young people now, at least the stuff I listened to was new and didn't sound like my parent's music e.g Glen Miller. Today most of the stuff my kids listen to could have been recorded at anytime over the last 30-50 years. My parents hated King Crimson although my father did like Michael Gile's drumming on Schizoid Man. I don't hate my children's music I'm just bored by it.
> > >
> > > Oh God, I'm starting to sound like my dad.
> > >
> > > And speaking of "Nights in White Satin" it's the only song that I can still remember exactly where I was when I heard if for the first time: Heald Green, Stockport on 18th November 1968 approx 11pm.
> > >
> > > I suppose most popular music just isn't interesting enough to stand up to repeated playing over 4 decades. I still quite enjoy listening but it's really more to do with nostalgia than anything else.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > PS 2 tracks that did stand the test of time for me, other than a most of John Lennon's work with the Beatles:
> > >
> > > Colosseum Walking in the Park ( live)
> > > Cream Crossroads ( live).
> > >
> > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The word "Foo Fighter" was a reference to a type of UFO seen over battle
> > > > skies during WWII.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > As far as this band goes, I also feel they suck but then I thought Nirvana
> > > > was (and still is) an overrated stinking pile of crap too.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@>wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > **
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I feel grateful that I've never even heard of these guys at all.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 23/08/2011 02:48, Bruce Daily wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?
> > > > >
> > > > > (or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)
> > > > >
> > > > > -Bruce D.
> > > > >
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2011-08-23 by Mike Dickson
On 23/08/2011 12:06, fdoddy@aol.com wrote:
riiight...
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:18 am
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
I feel grateful that I've never even heard of these guys at all.
On 23/08/2011 02:48, Bruce Daily wrote:Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?(or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)-Bruce D.
-- Mike Dickson, Edinburgh Free Music Project: http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/ Or http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson Or http://soundcloud.com/mikedickson Or http://www.planetmellotron.com/revd4.htm#mikedickson Or http://www.myspace.com/mellotronworks
2011-08-23 by lsf5275@aol.com
Seriously, I haven't!!
On 23/08/2011 12:06, fdoddy@aol.com wrote:riiight...-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:18 am
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
I feel grateful that I've never even heard of these guys at all.
On 23/08/2011 02:48, Bruce Daily wrote:Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?(or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)-Bruce D.-- Mike Dickson, Edinburgh Free Music Project: http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/ Or http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson Or http://soundcloud.com/mikedickson Or http://www.planetmellotron.com/revd4.htm#mikedickson Or http://www.myspace.com/mellotronworks
2011-08-23 by Mike Dickson
On 23/08/2011 14:03, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:
Well you certainly have a right to your opinion, but I liked only one Gary Numan song (Cars, I think kit was). After that I found him boring.
2011-08-23 by Mike Dickson
On 23/08/2011 16:18, ClayE wrote:Maybe there is no such thing as original material. Some songwriters come very close to creating original songs. Lennon and McCartney come to mind. Who else over the past 50 years? Brian Wilson? Simon and Garfunkel? Michael Jackson? Eminem? Madonna? ...several others but it's not a long list.
Well Brian Wilson predicated nearly all his harmonies on the Four Freshmen and latterly filtered that through Hal David and (to a lesser extent) Burt B.
If you need an honest to god original you're probably going to have to go back to Robert Johnson. There are way less than you think. It's like when comedians say there are only really seven jokes in the world and all others are synthesised from them.
Mike
2011-08-23 by Mike Dickson
On 23/08/2011 19:20, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:
Then you haven't lived until you stand shoulder to shoulder with those who fight foo.In a message dated 8/23/2011 2:18:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mike.dickson@gmail.com writes:Seriously, I haven't!!
On 23/08/2011 12:06, fdoddy@aol.com wrote:riiight...
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2011 1:18 am
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
I feel grateful that I've never even heard of these guys at all.
On 23/08/2011 02:48, Bruce Daily wrote:Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?(or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)-Bruce D.
-- Mike Dickson, Edinburgh Free Music Project: http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/ Or http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson Or http://soundcloud.com/mikedickson Or http://www.planetmellotron.com/revd4.htm#mikedickson Or http://www.myspace.com/mellotronworks
-- Mike Dickson, Edinburgh Free Music Project: http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/ Or http://www.last.fm/music/Mike+Dickson Or http://soundcloud.com/mikedickson Or http://www.planetmellotron.com/revd4.htm#mikedickson Or http://www.myspace.com/mellotronworks
2011-08-23 by feline1973
--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tron400" <tron400@...> wrote:
>
> Did Garfunkel have a hand in the writing? I thought he only sang.
>
> Bernie
>
>
2011-08-23 by fdoddy@aol.com
--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, fdoddy@... wrote:
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>
> yeah, Gary Numan certainly was the zenith...
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: mellotronmadness <mellotronmadness@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2011 4:17 am
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
>
>
>
>
>
> The Foo Fighters sound pretty generic to me they could be anyone and from anytime over the last 30 years.
>
> Although I no longer enjoy listening to progressive rock music much, at least it was new at the time, I can't think of anything new or different much after Garry Numan.
>
> I feel sorry for young people now, at least the stuff I listened to was new and didn't sound like my parent's music e.g Glen Miller. Today most of the stuff my kids listen to could have been recorded at anytime over the last 30-50 years. My parents hated King Crimson although my father did like Michael Gile's drumming on Schizoid Man. I don't hate my children's music I'm just bored by it.
>
> Oh God, I'm starting to sound like my dad.
>
> And speaking of "Nights in White Satin" it's the only song that I can still remember exactly where I was when I heard if for the first time: Heald Green, Stockport on 18th November 1968 approx 11pm.
>
> I suppose most popular music just isn't interesting enough to stand up to repeated playing over 4 decades. I still quite enjoy listening but it's really more to do with nostalgia than anything else.
>
> Mark
>
> PS 2 tracks that did stand the test of time for me, other than a most of John Lennon's work with the Beatles:
>
> Colosseum Walking in the Park ( live)
> Cream Crossroads ( live).
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@> wrote:
> >
> > The word "Foo Fighter" was a reference to a type of UFO seen over battle
> > skies during WWII.
> >
> >
> > As far as this band goes, I also feel they suck but then I thought Nirvana
> > was (and still is) an overrated stinking pile of crap too.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@>wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > I feel grateful that I've never even heard of these guys at all.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 23/08/2011 02:48, Bruce Daily wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?
> > >
> > > (or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)
> > >
> > > -Bruce D.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
2011-08-23 by fdoddy@aol.com
On 23/08/2011 16:18, ClayE wrote:
Maybe there is no such thing as original material. Some songwriters come very close to creating original songs. Lennon and McCartney come to mind. Who else over the past 50 years? Brian Wilson? Simon and Garfunkel? Michael Jackson? Eminem? Madonna? ...several others but it's not a long list.
2011-08-23 by lsf5275@aol.com
It depends on your mindset and your interpretation and feeling on the intent of the writer. I may not like gary Numan, but his songs feel original to me. Even though poor George got ripped for "My Sweet Lord", it feels original to me and I'd rather listen to that than "He's So Fine".
fritz
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2011 2:26 pm
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
On 23/08/2011 16:18, ClayE wrote:Maybe there is no such thing as original material. Some songwriters come very close to creating original songs. Lennon and McCartney come to mind. Who else over the past 50 years? Brian Wilson? Simon and Garfunkel? Michael Jackson? Eminem? Madonna? ...several others but it's not a long list.
Well Brian Wilson predicated nearly all his harmonies on the Four Freshmen and latterly filtered that through Hal David and (to a lesser extent) Burt B.
If you need an honest to god original you're probably going to have to go back to Robert Johnson. There are way less than you think. It's like when comedians say there are only really seven jokes in the world and all others are synthesised from them.
Mike
2011-08-23 by john barrick
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 3:13 PM, <fdoddy@aol.com> wrote:--
Even though poor George got ripped for "My Sweet Lord", it feels original to me and I'd rather listen to that than "He's So Fine".fritz
john barrick*Leo got it right the first time**then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
2011-08-24 by Bruce Daily
--- On Tue, 8/23/11, tron400 <tron400@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: tron400 <tron400@yahoo.com>
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 23, 2011, 4:55 AM
That's the old Leprechaun scam!
I'm not sure about the previous answer (above), but my response is either "I think we're all Bozos on this bus" or "Where Mr. President can I get a job?"
(This letter was originally printed in The Straight Dope newspaper column, sometime in '94 - I think - or maybe '93. No, it was '94. At least I'm pretty sure it was. Can I get back to you on this? -Doc)
I've enjoyed your column for many years and was delighted to see a Firesign Theatre reference October 7. [A reader inquired why the porridge bird lays her eggs in the air.] For your information, the famous Zen question or virus which breaks the computer in our record "I Think We're All Bozos On This Bus" actually comes from a lovely woman named Angel I dated back in the '60s. She's from Texas, and claims that when she was a little girl a leprechaun appeared in her backyard one day while she was playing, asked her that exact question, and then laughed and ran away! I've always interpreted the query as referring to the ecological challenge that faces the planet; to wit, the steady loss of trees in which many birds are wont to nest. But it's obviously open to many interpretations, as is much of our work.
Phil Proctor,
Beverly Hills, California
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_does_the_porridge_bird_lay_his_eggs_in_the_air#ixzz1Vqf02c4u
--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@...> wrote:
>
> Better yet, why does the Foo Fighter bird lay its eggs in the air?
> Â
> (or, are we all just bozos on this bus?)
> Â
> Â Â -Bruce D.
>
> --- On Mon, 8/22/11, David Jacques <djacques@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: David Jacques <djacques@...>
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, August 22, 2011, 8:06 AM
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> What exactly is a "Foo" anyway? Â and Why are they fighting them?
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> On Aug 23, 2011, at 12:11 AM, tronbros wrote:
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> Sorry Mr F, I think they are appalling with a capital S! A hideous mound of utter garbage. But what do I know.....
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> M
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> mellotronics.co.uk
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> On 22 Aug 2011, at 21:52, fdoddy@... wrote:
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> > The Foo Fighters rock!
>
2011-08-24 by tron400
--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "feline1973" <feline1@...> wrote:
>
> Artie Garfunkel, by all accounts, did most of the musical arrangements and trademark vocal harmonies; Simon wrote the chords, the tune and the words.
>
> Although that saw Simon getting the writer royalties,
> I have to say his material would've been dull as hell without Artie there to arrange it into something special.
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tron400" <tron400@> wrote:
> >
> > Did Garfunkel have a hand in the writing? I thought he only sang.
> >
> > Bernie
> >
> >
>
2011-08-24 by tron400
--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, fdoddy@... wrote:
>
> It depends on your mindset and your interpretation and feeling on the intent of the writer. I may not like gary Numan, but his songs feel original to me. Even though poor George got ripped for "My Sweet Lord", it feels original to me and I'd rather listen to that than "He's So Fine".
>
>
> fritz
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2011 2:26 pm
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Foo Fighters live w/M4000D
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 23/08/2011 16:18, ClayE wrote:
>
>
> Maybe there is no such thing as original material. Some songwriters come very close to creating original songs. Lennon and McCartney come to mind. Who else over the past 50 years? Brian Wilson? Simon and Garfunkel? Michael Jackson? Eminem? Madonna? ...several others but it's not a long list.
>
>
>
>
> Well Brian Wilson predicated nearly all his harmonies on the Four Freshmen and latterly filtered that through Hal David and (to a lesser extent) Burt B.
>
> If you need an honest to god original you're probably going to have to go back to Robert Johnson. There are way less than you think. It's like when comedians say there are only really seven jokes in the world and all others are synthesised from them.
>
> Mike
>