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Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

2011-07-05 by Jack Younger

Hello, All!

So, I tend to frequent a particular flea market in Northern Massachusetts every Sunday and have found quite a few music-oriented things for short dough over the years. But this takes the cake. Allow me to set the scene:

A producer friend of mine and I park the car and just as we are leaving the field to where the vendors are (it's outdoors), I notice a bench to a C3. I make a joke about where the organ is and think nothing further on it. We browse around, pick up some small things, see some friends and its time to go so we head back to the car. My friend decides he likes the bench (he recently got a CP70b and needs something to use with it) and the vendor gives it to him for $25, a sweet deal in and of itself. I quip "The organ is included in that price, right?" The guy says, "Well there IS an organ that goes with that, but you'd have to talk to the woman who owns it." They have no idea what model it could be, "...but it's a Hammond". We get her number and leave, excited by the mystery.

Later in the day, I call her out of curiosity. Turns out, it was an estate item that didn't sell and she says, "We were going to smash it up and toss it in the dumpster. You can have it for the moving." !!!! I ask for pictures and model numbers. She sends them to my phone. Lo and behold...indeed, it's a C3! Purchased in 1959, it has sat in their living room, lightly used since then. Unfortunately, the tone cab was sold in the sale, but the organ remains. ;Apparently, it needs only one tube to function, but its mint, so even if there's more to be done, it's most certainly worth it.

Long and short, I have movers grabbing it this week. So psyched! This will be an amazing addition to the studio and a nice friend for my Mellotron and recently purchased Rhodes 73 Suitcase.

Now the questions for the B3/C3 folks out there....

Obviously, I need a Leslie (which is why I'm not crying over the tone cab). I'm looking for a 122, 147, etc. and have a few local leads. My query is this:

Do any of you prefer a Trek pedal to the half-moon switch? Tube or solid state? Pros and cons? There's a great tech here in MA that I'll have go through it, but I'd like to avoid any expensive experimentation. Any insight would be helpful.

Thanks, and Cheers!
-Jack


Re: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

2011-07-05 by Fritz Doddy

Outstanding!
Go for the pedal and free up the hand

Sorry for the brevity as I am replying from a remote region of  
iPhonekstan.

fritzdoddy
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On Jul 5, 2011, at 9:02 AM, Jack Younger <e4103s@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hello, All!
>
> So, I tend to frequent a particular flea market in Northern  
> Massachusetts every Sunday and have found quite a few music-oriented  
> things for short dough over the years.  But this takes the cake.   
> Allow me to set the scene:
>
> A producer friend of mine and I park the car and just as we are  
> leaving the field to where the vendors are (it's outdoors), I notice  
> a bench to a C3.  I make a joke about where the organ is and think  
> nothing further on it.  We browse around, pick up some small things,  
> see some friends and its time to go so we head back to the car.  My  
> friend decides he likes the bench (he recently got a CP70b and needs  
> something to use with it) and the vendor gives it to him for $25, a  
> sweet deal in and of itself.  I quip "The organ is included in that  
> price, right?"  The guy says, "Well there IS an organ that goes with  
> that, but you'd have to talk to the woman who owns it."  They have  
> no idea what model it could be, "...but it's a Hammond".  We get her  
> number and leave, excited by the mystery.
>
> Later in the day, I call her out of curiosity.  Turns out, it was an  
> estate item that didn't sell and she says, "We were going to smash  
> it up and toss it in the dumpster. You can have it for the  
> moving." !!!!  I ask for pictures and model numbers. She sends them  
> to my phone. Lo and behold...indeed, it's a C3!  Purchased in 1959,  
> it has sat in their living room, lightly used since then.   
> Unfortunately, the tone cab was sold in the sale, but the organ  
> remains.  Apparently, it needs only one tube to function, but its  
> mint, so even if there's more to be done, it's most certainly worth  
> it.
>
> Long and short, I have movers grabbing it this week.  So psyched!   
> This will be an amazing addition to the studio and a nice friend for  
> my Mellotron and recently purchased Rhodes 73 Suitcase.
>
> Now the questions for the B3/C3 folks out there....
>
> Obviously, I need a Leslie (which is why I'm not crying over the  
> tone cab).  I'm looking for a 122, 147, etc. and have a few local  
> leads.  My query is this:
>
> Do any of you prefer a Trek pedal to the half-moon switch?  Tube or  
> solid state?  Pros and cons?  There's a great tech here in MA that  
> I'll have go through it, but I'd like to avoid any expensive  
> experimentation.  Any insight would be helpful.
>
> Thanks, and Cheers!
> -Jack
>
>
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

2011-07-05 by william Beith

I have a C3. I picked up a Leslie 147 box and retrofitted it with JBL 
components. I bought a Leslie 122 amp from Goff Professional and the setup has 
worked flawlessly. The 122 amp differs from the 147 as the audio is a balanced 
line in the 122. 


The JBL horn driver adds that Emerson "spit" to the Leslie. I added a 100 watt L 
Pad to the horn to soften the cabinet for jazz work. 


Leslies are expensive. I got lucky and bought this one used from the Buckinghams 
for almost nothing, then totally rebuilt it. The speakers used totaled 350, the 
amp/tubes/installation kit from Goff was around 750.

And remember the RCA jack on the volume column on the C3 pre amp is an aux in. 
So I play my Kurzweil through it and have used it in the studio to route vocals. 
There are two trim pots on the back of the pre amp for tone and precussion 
volume. Set these to taste. Full open begins to approach the Emerson settings.

Enjoy

Bill



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From: Jack Younger <e4103s@yahoo.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, July 5, 2011 8:02:31 AM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question 
or two....

  
Hello, All! 

So, I tend to frequent a particular flea market in Northern Massachusetts every 
Sunday and have found quite a few music-oriented things for short dough over the 
years.  But this takes the cake.  Allow me to set the scene: 


A producer friend of mine and I park the car and just as we are leaving the 
field to where the vendors are (it's outdoors), I notice a bench to a C3.  I 
make a joke about where the organ is and think nothing further on it.  We browse 
around, pick up some small things, see some friends and its time to go so we 
head back to the car.  My friend decides he likes the bench (he recently got a 
CP70b and needs something to use with it) and the vendor gives it to him for 
$25, a sweet deal in and of itself.  I quip "The organ is included in that 
price, right?"  The guy says, "Well there IS an organ that goes with that, but 
you'd have to talk to the woman who owns it."  They have no idea what model it 
could be, "...but it's a Hammond".  We get her number and leave, excited by the 
mystery.

Later in the day, I call her out of curiosity.  Turns out, it was an estate item 
that didn't sell and she says, "We were going to smash it up and toss it in the 
dumpster. You can have it for the moving." !!!!  I ask for pictures and model 
numbers. She sends them to my phone. Lo and behold...indeed, it's a C3! 
 Purchased in 1959, it has sat in their living room, lightly used since then. 
 Unfortunately, the tone cab was sold in the sale, but the organ remains. 
 Apparently, it needs only one tube to function, but its mint, so even if 
there's more to be done, it's most certainly worth it.

Long and short, I have movers grabbing it this week.  So psyched!  This will be 
an amazing addition to the studio and a nice friend for my Mellotron and 
recently purchased Rhodes 73 Suitcase.

Now the questions for the B3/C3 folks out there....

Obviously, I need a Leslie (which is why I'm not crying over the tone cab).  I'm 
looking for a 122, 147, etc. and have a few local leads.  My query is this:

Do any of you prefer a Trek pedal to the half-moon switch?  Tube or solid state? 
 Pros and cons?  There's a great tech here in MA that I'll have go through it, 
but I'd like to avoid any expensive experimentation.  Any insight would be 
helpful.

Thanks, and Cheers!
-Jack

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

2011-07-05 by David Jacques

Congratulations, Jack! Great find!

Either a 147 or 122 will work great. I prefer these to the shorter cabinets as the bass is fantastic!

Be sure to hire a Hammond tech to install it and to do a good going over of the organ. I prefer the half moon switch as I am a traditionalist.

Good luck!


On Jul 5, 2011, at 7:02 AM, Jack Younger wrote:

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Hello, All!

So, I tend to frequent a particular flea market in Northern Massachusetts every Sunday and have found quite a few music-oriented things for short dough over the years. But this takes the cake. Allow me to set the scene:

A producer friend of mine and I park the car and just as we are leaving the field to where the vendors are (it's outdoors), I notice a bench to a C3. I make a joke about where the organ is and think nothing further on it. We browse around, pick up some small things, see some friends and its time to go so we head back to the car. My friend decides he likes the bench (he recently got a CP70b and needs something to use with it) and the vendor gives it to him for $25, a sweet deal in and of itself. I quip "The organ is included in that price, right?" The guy says, "Well there IS an organ that goes with that, but you'd have to talk to the woman who owns it." They have no idea what model it could be, "...but it's a Hammond". We get her number and leave, excited by the mystery.

Later in the day, I call her out of curiosity. Turns out, it was an estate item that didn't sell and she says, "We were going to smash it up and toss it in the dumpster. You can have it for the moving." !!!! I ask for pictures and model numbers. She sends them to my phone. Lo and behold...indeed, it's a C3! Purchased in 1959, it has sat in their living room, lightly used since then. Unfortunately, the tone cab was sold in the sale, but the organ remains. Apparently, it needs only one tube to function, but its mint, so even if there's more to be done, it's most certainly worth it.

Long and short, I have movers grabbing it this week. So psyched! This will be an amazing addition to the studio and a nice friend for my Mellotron and recently purchased Rhodes 73 Suitcase.

Now the questions for the B3/C3 folks out there....

Obviously, I need a Leslie (which is why I'm not crying over the tone cab). I'm looking for a 122, 147, etc. and have a few local leads. My query is this:

Do any of you prefer a Trek pedal to the half-moon switch? Tube or solid state? Pros and cons? There's a great tech here in MA that I'll have go through it, but I'd like to avoid any expensive experimentation. Any insight would be helpful.

Thanks, and Cheers!
-Jack



Re: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

2011-07-05 by David Jacques

and Stay with TUBES!!!!!


On Jul 5, 2011, at 7:02 AM, Jack Younger wrote:

Show quoted textHide quoted text

Hello, All!

So, I tend to frequent a particular flea market in Northern Massachusetts every Sunday and have found quite a few music-oriented things for short dough over the years. But this takes the cake. Allow me to set the scene:

A producer friend of mine and I park the car and just as we are leaving the field to where the vendors are (it's outdoors), I notice a bench to a C3. I make a joke about where the organ is and think nothing further on it. We browse around, pick up some small things, see some friends and its time to go so we head back to the car. My friend decides he likes the bench (he recently got a CP70b and needs something to use with it) and the vendor gives it to him for $25, a sweet deal in and of itself. I quip "The organ is included in that price, right?" The guy says, "Well there IS an organ that goes with that, but you'd have to talk to the woman who owns it." They have no idea what model it could be, "...but it's a Hammond". We get her number and leave, excited by the mystery.

Later in the day, I call her out of curiosity. Turns out, it was an estate item that didn't sell and she says, "We were going to smash it up and toss it in the dumpster. You can have it for the moving." !!!! I ask for pictures and model numbers. She sends them to my phone. Lo and behold...indeed, it's a C3! Purchased in 1959, it has sat in their living room, lightly used since then. Unfortunately, the tone cab was sold in the sale, but the organ remains. Apparently, it needs only one tube to function, but its mint, so even if there's more to be done, it's most certainly worth it.

Long and short, I have movers grabbing it this week. So psyched! This will be an amazing addition to the studio and a nice friend for my Mellotron and recently purchased Rhodes 73 Suitcase.

Now the questions for the B3/C3 folks out there....

Obviously, I need a Leslie (which is why I'm not crying over the tone cab). I'm looking for a 122, 147, etc. and have a few local leads. My query is this:

Do any of you prefer a Trek pedal to the half-moon switch? Tube or solid state? Pros and cons? There's a great tech here in MA that I'll have go through it, but I'd like to avoid any expensive experimentation. Any insight would be helpful.

Thanks, and Cheers!
-Jack



Re: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

2011-07-05 by william Beith

Here is the link to Goff Professional and the Leslie 122 amp.

http://www.goffprof.com/shopping.jsp?p=103

 



________________________________
From: David Jacques <djacques@csulb.edu>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, July 5, 2011 9:06:10 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 
story....question or two....

  
Congratulations, Jack!  Great find! 

Either a 147 or 122 will work great. I prefer these to the shorter cabinets as 
the bass is fantastic!

Be sure to hire a Hammond tech to install it and to do a good going over of the 
organ.   I prefer the half moon switch as I am a traditionalist.

Good luck!
Show quoted textHide quoted text
On Jul 5, 2011, at 7:02 AM, Jack Younger wrote:


>
>Hello, All! 
>
>
>So, I tend to frequent a particular flea market in Northern Massachusetts every 
>Sunday and have found quite a few music-oriented things for short dough over the 
>years.  But this takes the cake.  Allow me to set the scene: 
>
>
>
>A producer friend of mine and I park the car and just as we are leaving the 
>field to where the vendors are (it's outdoors), I notice a bench to a C3.  I 
>make a joke about where the organ is and think nothing further on it.  We browse 
>around, pick up some small things, see some friends and its time to go so we 
>head back to the car.  My friend decides he likes the bench (he recently got a 
>CP70b and needs something to use with it) and the vendor gives it to him for 
>$25, a sweet deal in and of itself.  I quip "The organ is included in that 
>price, right?"  ! ;The guy says, "Well there IS an organ that goes with that, 
>but you'd have to talk to the woman who owns it."  They have no idea what model 
>it could be, "...but it's a Hammond".  We get her number and leave, excited by 
>the mystery.
>
>
>Later in the day, I call her out of curiosity.  Turns out, it was an estate item 
>that didn't sell and she says, "We were going to smash it up and toss it in the 
>dumpster. You can have it for the moving." !!!!  I ask for pictures and model 
>numbers. She sends them to my phone. Lo and behold...indeed, it's a C3! 
> Purchased in 1959, it has sat in their living room, lightly used since then. 
> Unfortunately, the tone cab was sold in the sale, but the organ remains. 
> Apparently, it needs only one tube to function, but its mint, so even if 
>there's more to be done, it's most certainly worth it.
>
>
>Long and short, I have movers grabbing it this week.  So psyched!  This will be 
>an amazing addition to the studio and a nice friend for my Mellotron and 
>recently purchased Rhodes 73 Suitcase.
>
>
>Now the questions for the B3/C3 folks out there....
>
>
>Obviously, I need a Leslie (which is why I'm not crying over the tone cab).  I'm 
>looking for a 122, 147, etc. and have a few local leads.  My query is this:
>
>
>Do any of you prefer a Trek pedal to the half-moon switch?  Tube or solid state? 
> Pros and cons?  There's a great tech here in MA that I'll have go through it, 
>but I'd like to avoid any expensive experimentation.  Any insight would be 
>helpful.
>
>
>Thanks, and Cheers!
>-Jack
>
>
>
> 
>
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

2011-07-05 by Jack Younger

Thanks!  Although, I'm considering Boss Organ as Tyler is an acquaintance and they're closer to me.  Many of my clients use him and have great things to say of his work.  I've recorded a few of his chopped models and his leslies are top notch.

--- On Tue, 7/5/11, william Beith <wbeith@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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From: william Beith <wbeith@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 5, 2011, 10:21 AM















 
 



  


    
      
      
      Here is the link to Goff Professional and the Leslie 122 amp.
 
http://www.goffprof.com/shopping.jsp?p=103

 




From: David Jacques <djacques@csulb.edu>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, July 5, 2011 9:06:10 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

  

Congratulations, Jack!  Great find! 


Either a 147 or 122 will work great. I prefer these to the shorter cabinets as the bass is fantastic!


Be sure to hire a Hammond tech to install it and to do a good going over of the organ.   I prefer the half moon switch as I am a traditionalist.


Good luck!





On Jul 5, 2011, at 7:02 AM, Jack Younger wrote:











Hello, All! 


So, I tend to frequent a particular flea market in Northern Massachusetts every Sunday and have found quite a few music-oriented things for short dough over the years.  But this takes the cake.  Allow me to set the scene: 


A producer friend of mine and I park the car and just as we are leaving the field to where the vendors are (it's outdoors), I notice a bench to a C3.  I make a joke about where the organ is and think nothing further on it.  We browse around, pick up some small things, see some friends and its time to go so we head back to the car.  My friend decides he likes the bench (he recently got a CP70b and needs something to use with it) and the vendor gives it to him for $25, a sweet deal in and of itself.  I quip "The organ is included in that price, right?"  ! ;The guy says, "Well there IS an organ that goes with that, but you'd have to talk to the woman who owns it."  They have no idea what model it could be, "...but it's a Hammond".  We get her number and leave, excited by the mystery.


Later in the day, I call her out of curiosity.  Turns out, it was an estate item that didn't sell and she says, "We were going to smash it up and toss it in the dumpster. You can have it for the moving." !!!!  I ask for pictures and model numbers. She sends them to my phone. Lo and behold...indeed, it's a C3!  Purchased in 1959, it has sat in their living room, lightly used since then.  Unfortunately, the tone cab was sold in the sale, but the organ remains.  Apparently, it needs only one tube to function, but its mint, so even if there's more to be done, it's most certainly worth it.


Long and short, I have movers grabbing it this week.  So psyched!  This will be an amazing addition to the studio and a nice friend for my Mellotron and recently purchased Rhodes 73 Suitcase.


Now the questions for the B3/C3 folks out there....


Obviously, I need a Leslie (which is why I'm not crying over the tone cab).  I'm looking for a 122, 147, etc. and have a few local leads.  My query is this:


Do any of you prefer a Trek pedal to the half-moon switch?  Tube or solid state?  Pros and cons?  There's a great tech here in MA that I'll have go through it, but I'd like to avoid any expensive experimentation.  Any insight would be helpful.


Thanks, and Cheers!
-Jack

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

2011-07-05 by Jack Younger

I just spoke with my organ tech and he suggested half-moon switch for just that reason.  Adding a solid-state gain stage to it would apparently mess with the tone.  Besides, if I find the right cab, the installation would be more straightforward, thus less expensive.
I still welcome your opinions.  Nothing is absolute yet.

--- On Tue, 7/5/11, David Jacques <djacques@csulb.edu> wrote:
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From: David Jacques <djacques@csulb.edu>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 5, 2011, 10:06 AM















 
 



  


    
      
      
      and Stay with TUBES!!!!!

On Jul 5, 2011, at 7:02 AM, Jack Younger wrote:

Hello, All!
So, I tend to frequent a particular flea market in
 Northern Massachusetts every Sunday and have found quite a few music-oriented things for short dough over the years.  But this takes the cake.  Allow me to set the scene:
A producer friend of mine and I park the car and just as we are leaving the field to where the vendors are (it's outdoors), I notice a bench to a C3.  I make a joke about where the organ is and think nothing further on it.  We browse around, pick up some small things, see some friends and its time to go so we head back to the car.  My friend decides he likes the bench (he recently got a CP70b and needs something to use with it) and the vendor gives it to him for $25, a sweet deal in and of itself.  I quip "The organ is included in that price, right?"  The guy says, "Well there IS an organ that goes with that, but you'd have to talk to the woman who owns it."  They have no idea what model it could be, "...but it's a Hammond".
  We get her number and leave, excited by the mystery.
Later in the day, I call her out of curiosity.  Turns out, it was an estate item that didn't sell and she says, "We were going to smash it up and toss it in the dumpster. You can have it for the moving." !!!!  I ask for pictures and model numbers. She sends them to my phone. Lo and behold...indeed, it's a C3!  Purchased in 1959, it has sat in their living room, lightly used since then.  Unfortunately, the tone cab was sold in the sale, but the organ remains.  Apparently, it needs only one tube to function, but its mint, so even if there's more to be done, it's most certainly worth it.
Long and short, I have movers grabbing it this week.  So psyched!  This will be an amazing addition to the studio and a nice friend for my Mellotron and recently purchased Rhodes 73 Suitcase.
Now the
 questions for the B3/C3 folks out there....
Obviously, I need a Leslie (which is why I'm not crying over the tone cab).  I'm looking for a 122, 147, etc. and have a few local leads.  My query is this:
Do any of you prefer a Trek pedal to the half-moon switch?  Tube or solid state?  Pros and cons?  There's a great tech here in MA that I'll have go through it, but I'd like to avoid any expensive experimentation.  Any insight would be helpful.
Thanks, and Cheers!-Jack

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

2011-07-05 by Jack Younger

Great stuff!  Good tip on the RCA jack!  Hopefully I can push my luck a touch further and a 122 with fall into place, so to speak.  I was told to install a 1/4" out as well for direct signal recording for re-amping, pushing bass in a mix, etc.  Sounds like it would be handy.

--- On Tue, 7/5/11, william Beith <wbeith@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: william Beith <wbeith@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 5, 2011, 10:05 AM















 
 



  


    
      
      
      I have a C3. I picked up a Leslie 147 box and retrofitted it with JBL components. I bought a Leslie 122 amp from Goff Professional and the setup has worked flawlessly. The 122 amp differs from the 147 as the audio is a balanced line in the 122. 
 
The JBL horn driver adds that Emerson "spit" to the Leslie. I added a 100 watt L Pad to the horn to soften the cabinet for jazz work. 
 
Leslies are expensive. I got lucky and bought this one used from the Buckinghams for almost nothing, then totally rebuilt it. The speakers used totaled 350, the amp/tubes/installation kit from Goff was around 750.
 
And remember the RCA jack on the volume column on the C3 pre amp is an aux in. So I play my Kurzweil through it and have used it in the studio to route vocals. There are two trim pots on the back of the pre amp for tone and precussion volume. Set these to taste. Full open begins to approach the Emerson settings.
 
Enjoy
 
Bill




From: Jack Younger <e4103s@yahoo.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, July 5, 2011 8:02:31 AM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

  





Hello, All! 


So, I tend to frequent a particular flea market in Northern Massachusetts every Sunday and have found quite a few music-oriented things for short dough over the years.  But this takes the cake.  Allow me to set the scene: 


A producer friend of mine and I park the car and just as we are leaving the field to where the vendors are (it's outdoors), I notice a bench to a C3.  I make a joke about where the organ is and think nothing further on it.  We browse around, pick up some small things, see some friends and its time to go so we head back to the car.  My friend decides he likes the bench (he recently got a CP70b and needs something to use with it) and the vendor gives it to him for $25, a sweet deal in and of itself.  I quip "The organ is included in that price, right?"  The guy says, "Well there IS an organ that goes with that, but you'd have to talk to the woman who owns it."  They have no idea what model it could be, "...but it's a Hammond".  We get her number and leave, excited by the mystery.


Later in the day, I call her out of curiosity.  Turns out, it was an estate item that didn't sell and she says, "We were going to smash it up and toss it in the dumpster. You can have it for the moving." !!!!  I ask for pictures and model numbers. She sends them to my phone. Lo and behold...indeed, it's a C3!  Purchased in 1959, it has sat in their living room, lightly used since then.  Unfortunately, the tone cab was sold in the sale, but the organ remains.  Apparently, it needs only one tube to function, but its mint, so even if there's more to be done, it's most certainly worth it.


Long and short, I have movers grabbing it this week.  So psyched!  This will be an amazing addition to the studio and a nice friend for my Mellotron and recently purchased Rhodes 73 Suitcase.


Now the questions for the B3/C3 folks out there....


Obviously, I need a Leslie (which is why I'm not crying over the tone cab).  I'm looking for a 122, 147, etc. and have a few local leads.  My query is this:


Do any of you prefer a Trek pedal to the half-moon switch?  Tube or solid state?  Pros and cons?  There's a great tech here in MA that I'll have go through it, but I'd like to avoid any expensive experimentation.  Any insight would be helpful.


Thanks, and Cheers!
-Jack

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

2011-07-05 by Tony

I'm not an organist, but do have extensive experience with tubes.
For that trademark sound I'd stick with them.
Wonderful devices with few flaws, in my expert opinion.
Tony
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

and Stay with TUBES!!!!!



On Jul 5, 2011, at 7:02 AM, Jack Younger wrote:


Hello, All!

So, I tend to frequent a particular flea market in Northern Massachusetts every Sunday and have found quite a few music-oriented things for short dough over the years. But this takes the cake. Allow me to set the scene:

A producer friend of mine and I park the car and just as we are leaving the field to where the vendors are (it's outdoors), I notice a bench to a C3. I make a joke about where the organ is and think nothing further on it. We browse around, pick up some small things, see some friends and its time to go so we head back to the car. My friend decides he likes the bench (he recently got a CP70b and needs something to use with it) and the vendor gives it to him for $25, a sweet deal in and of itself. I quip "The organ is included in that price, right?" The guy says, "Well there IS an organ that goes with that, but you'd have to talk to the woman who owns it." They have no idea what model it could be, "...but it's a Hammond". We get her number and leave, excited by the mystery.

Later in the day, I call her out of curiosity. Turns out, it was an estate item that didn't sell and she says, "We were going to smash it up and toss it in the dumpster. You can have it for the moving." !!!! I ask for pictures and model numbers. She sends them to my phone. Lo and behold...indeed, it's a C3! Purchased in 1959, it has sat in their living room, lightly used since then. Unfortunately, the tone cab was sold in the sale, but the organ remains. Apparently, it needs only one tube to function, but its mint, so even if there's more to be done, it's most certainly worth it.

Long and short, I have movers grabbing it this week. So psyched! This will be an amazing addition to the studio and a nice friend for my Mellotron and recently purchased Rhodes 73 Suitcase.

Now the questions for the B3/C3 folks out there....

Obviously, I need a Leslie (which is why I'm not crying over the tone cab). I'm looking for a 122, 147, etc. and have a few local leads. My query is this:

Do any of you prefer a Trek pedal to the half-moon switch? Tube or solid state? Pros and cons? There's a great tech here in MA that I'll have go through it, but I'd like to avoid any expensive experimentation. Any insight would be helpful.

Thanks, and Cheers!
-Jack




RE: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

2011-07-05 by Gary Brumm

Hi Jack,

I prefer the 122 but some prefer the 147.....either will sound great.  A foot switch is nice to free up your hand but I used
both because I play standing up and sometimes when working the expression pedal my other foot is supporting me so
the half moon is easier to use.  At one point I had a foot switch mounted so I could lean into it while playing to change
speeds in a multi keyboard set up where both hands and feet were busy.....It's just a matter of what you like best personally.
....Great find!!

Cheers,

Gary
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From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jack Younger
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 6:03 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....


Hello, All!

So, I tend to frequent a particular flea market in Northern Massachusetts every Sunday and have found quite a few music-oriented things for short dough over the years.  But this takes the cake.  Allow me to set the scene:

A producer friend of mine and I park the car and just as we are leaving the field to where the vendors are (it's outdoors), I notice a bench to a C3.  I make a joke about where the organ is and think nothing further on it.  We browse around, pick up some small things, see some friends and its time to go so we head back to the car.  My friend decides he likes the bench (he recently got a CP70b and needs something to use with it) and the vendor gives it to him for $25, a sweet deal in and of itself.  I quip "The organ is included in that price, right?"  The guy says, "Well there IS an organ that goes with that, but you'd have to talk to the woman who owns it."  They have no idea what model it could be, "...but it's a Hammond".  We get her number and leave, excited by the mystery.

Later in the day, I call her out of curiosity.  Turns out, it was an estate item that didn't sell and she says, "We were going to smash it up and toss it in the dumpster. You can have it for the moving." !!!!  I ask for pictures and model numbers. She sends them to my phone. Lo and behold...indeed, it's a C3!  Purchased in 1959, it has sat in their living room, lightly used since then.  Unfortunately, the tone cab was sold in the sale, but the organ remains.  Apparently, it needs only one tube to function, but its mint, so even if there's more to be done, it's most certainly worth it.

Long and short, I have movers grabbing it this week.  So psyched!  This will be an amazing addition to the studio and a nice friend for my Mellotron and recently purchased Rhodes 73 Suitcase.

Now the questions for the B3/C3 folks out there....

Obviously, I need a Leslie (which is why I'm not crying over the tone cab).  I'm looking for a 122, 147, etc. and have a few local leads.  My query is this:

Do any of you prefer a Trek pedal to the half-moon switch?  Tube or solid state?  Pros and cons?  There's a great tech here in MA that I'll have go through it, but I'd like to avoid any expensive experimentation.  Any insight would be helpful.

Thanks, and Cheers!
-Jack

RE: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

2011-07-05 by Gary Brumm

Hi Bill,

I experimented with other drivers as well. I even used HIWATTs to power my 122’s to get that Emerson sound.

Unfortunately most of his material was too difficult for me to master!

Cheers,

Gary

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From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of william Beith
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 7:06 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

I have a C3. I picked up a Leslie 147 box and retrofitted it with JBL components. I bought a Leslie 122 amp from Goff Professional and the setup has worked flawlessly. The 122 amp differs from the 147 as the audio is a balanced line in the 122.

The JBL horn driver adds that Emerson "spit" to the Leslie. I added a 100 watt L Pad to the horn to soften the cabinet for jazz work.

Leslies are expensive. I got lucky and bought this one used from the Buckinghams for almost nothing, then totally rebuilt it. The speakers used totaled 350, the amp/tubes/installation kit from Goff was around 750.

And remember the RCA jack on the volume column on the C3 pre amp is an aux in. So I play my Kurzweil through it and have used it in the studio to route vocals. There are two trim pots on the back of the pre amp for tone and precussion volume. Set these to taste. Full open begins to approach the Emerson settings.

Enjoy

Bill

From: Jack Younger <e4103s@yahoo.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, July 5, 2011 8:02:31 AM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

Hello, All!

So, I tend to frequent a particular flea market in Northern Massachusetts every Sunday and have found quite a few music-oriented things for short dough over the years. But this takes the cake. Allow me to set the scene:

A producer friend of mine and I park the car and just as we are leaving the field to where the vendors are (it's outdoors), I notice a bench to a C3. I make a joke about where the organ is and think nothing further on it. We browse around, pick up some small things, see some friends and its time to go so we head back to the car. My friend decides he likes the bench (he recently got a CP70b and needs something to use with it) and the vendor gives it to him for $25, a sweet deal in and of itself. I quip "The organ is included in that price, right?" The guy says, "Well there IS an organ that goes with that, but you'd have to talk to the woman who owns it." They have no idea what model it could be, "...but it's a Hammond". We get her number and leave, excited by the mystery.

Later in the day, I call her out of curiosity. Turns out, it was an estate item that didn't sell and she says, "We were going to smash it up and toss it in the dumpster. You can have it for the moving." !!!! I ask for pictures and model numbers. She sends them to my phone. Lo and behold...indeed, it's a C3! Purchased in 1959, it has sat in their living room, lightly used since then. Unfortunately, the tone cab was sold in the sale, but the organ remains. Apparently, it needs only one tube to function, but its mint, so even if there's more to be done, it's most certainly worth it.

Long and short, I have movers grabbing it this week. So psyched! This will be an amazing addition to the studio and a nice friend for my Mellotron and recently purchased Rhodes 73 Suitcase.

Now the questions for the B3/C3 folks out there....

Obviously, I need a Leslie (which is why I'm not crying over the tone cab). I'm looking for a 122, 147, etc. and have a few local leads. My query is this:

Do any of you prefer a Trek pedal to the half-moon switch? Tube or solid state? Pros and cons? There's a great tech here in MA that I'll have go through it, but I'd like to avoid any expensive experimentation. Any insight would be helpful.

Thanks, and Cheers!

-Jack

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

2011-07-05 by william Beith

One interesting bit of Hammond lore centers on the sound Jon Lord and Brian 
Auger got. Neither one used a Leslie. Usually a Marshall or Hiwatt.

I played a C3 with an impedance balancing pre amp through a Marshall stack 
(turned up to 11) and the grit was unbelievable. But I felt it lacked the depth 
a Leslie adds. And one thing most simulations neglect, the high and low rotors 
spin in opposite directions. So this additional phase thing happens along with 
the Doppler shift. 

I was stage manager in an Aurora Illinois club  in 1969 and Deep Purple played 
there. (Also Jefferson Airplane and The Nice). Lords organ never showed up, so I 
had to run home and grab my Vox Continental which he used through a Marshall. He 
was not happy, but made the best of it. Great show!

Bill




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From: Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, July 5, 2011 9:45:45 AM
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 
story....question or two....

  
Hi Bill,
 
I experimented with other drivers as well.  I even used HIWATTs to power my 
122’s to get that Emerson sound.  

Unfortunately most of his material was too difficult for me to master!
 
Cheers,
 
Gary
 
From:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of william Beith
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 7:06 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 
story....question or two....
 
  
I have a C3. I picked up a Leslie 147 box and retrofitted it with JBL 
components. I bought a Leslie 122 amp from Goff Professional and the setup has 
worked flawlessly. The 122 amp differs from the 147 as the audio is a balanced 
line in the 122. 

 
The JBL horn driver adds that Emerson "spit" to the Leslie. I added a 100 watt L 
Pad to the horn to soften the cabinet for jazz work. 

 
Leslies are expensive. I got lucky and bought this one used from the Buckinghams 
for almost nothing, then totally rebuilt it. The speakers used totaled 350, the 
amp/tubes/installation kit from Goff was around 750.
 
And remember the RCA jack on the volume column on the C3 pre amp is an aux in. 
So I play my Kurzweil through it and have used it in the studio to route vocals. 
There are two trim pots on the back of the pre amp for tone and precussion 
volume. Set these to taste. Full open begins to approach the Emerson settings.
 
Enjoy
 
Bill
 

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From:Jack Younger <e4103s@yahoo.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, July 5, 2011 8:02:31 AM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question 
or two....

  
Hello, All! 
 
So, I tend to frequent a particular flea market in Northern Massachusetts every 
Sunday and have found quite a few music-oriented things for short dough over the 
years.  But this takes the cake.  Allow me to set the scene: 

 
A producer friend of mine and I park the car and just as we are leaving the 
field to where the vendors are (it's outdoors), I notice a bench to a C3.  I 
make a joke about where the organ is and think nothing further on it.  We browse 
around, pick up some small things, see some friends and its time to go so we 
head back to the car.  My friend decides he likes the bench (he recently got a 
CP70b and needs something to use with it) and the vendor gives it to him for 
$25, a sweet deal in and of itself.  I quip "The organ is included in that 
price, right?"  The guy says, "Well there IS an organ that goes with that, but 
you'd have to talk to the woman who owns it."  They have no idea what model it 
could be, "...but it's a Hammond".  We get her number and leave, excited by the 
mystery.
 
Later in the day, I call her out of curiosity.  Turns out, it was an estate item 
that didn't sell and she says, "We were going to smash it up and toss it in the 
dumpster. You can have it for the moving." !!!!  I ask for pictures and model 
numbers. She sends them to my phone. Lo and behold...indeed, it's a C3! 
 Purchased in 1959, it has sat in their living room, lightly used since then. 
 Unfortunately, the tone cab was sold in the sale, but the organ remains. 
 Apparently, it needs only one tube to function, but its mint, so even if 
there's more to be done, it's most certainly worth it.
 
Long and short, I have movers grabbing it this week.  So psyched!  This will be 
an amazing addition to the studio and a nice friend for my Mellotron and 
recently purchased Rhodes 73 Suitcase.
 
Now the questions for the B3/C3 folks out there....
 
Obviously, I need a Leslie (which is why I'm not crying over the tone cab).  I'm 
looking for a 122, 147, etc. and have a few local leads.  My query is this:
 
Do any of you prefer a Trek pedal to the half-moon switch?  Tube or solid state? 
 Pros and cons?  There's a great tech here in MA that I'll have go through it, 
but I'd like to avoid any expensive experimentation.  Any insight would be 
helpful.
 
Thanks, and Cheers!
-Jack

Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

2011-07-05 by tron400

Two 122's and a 3-position half-moon switch.

...and congratulations!!

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Jack Younger <e4103s@...> wrote:
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>
> Hello, All!
> So, I tend to frequent a particular flea market in Northern Massachusetts every Sunday and have found quite a few music-oriented things for short dough over the years.  But this takes the cake.  Allow me to set the scene:
> A producer friend of mine and I park the car and just as we are leaving the field to where the vendors are (it's outdoors), I notice a bench to a C3.  I make a joke about where the organ is and think nothing further on it.  We browse around, pick up some small things, see some friends and its time to go so we head back to the car.  My friend decides he likes the bench (he recently got a CP70b and needs something to use with it) and the vendor gives it to him for $25, a sweet deal in and of itself.  I quip "The organ is included in that price, right?"  The guy says, "Well there IS an organ that goes with that, but you'd have to talk to the woman who owns it."  They have no idea what model it could be, "...but it's a Hammond".  We get her number and leave, excited by the mystery.
> Later in the day, I call her out of curiosity.  Turns out, it was an estate item that didn't sell and she says, "We were going to smash it up and toss it in the dumpster. You can have it for the moving." !!!!  I ask for pictures and model numbers. She sends them to my phone. Lo and behold...indeed, it's a C3!  Purchased in 1959, it has sat in their living room, lightly used since then.  Unfortunately, the tone cab was sold in the sale, but the organ remains.  Apparently, it needs only one tube to function, but its mint, so even if there's more to be done, it's most certainly worth it.
> Long and short, I have movers grabbing it this week.  So psyched!  This will be an amazing addition to the studio and a nice friend for my Mellotron and recently purchased Rhodes 73 Suitcase.
> Now the questions for the B3/C3 folks out there....
> Obviously, I need a Leslie (which is why I'm not crying over the tone cab).  I'm looking for a 122, 147, etc. and have a few local leads.  My query is this:
> Do any of you prefer a Trek pedal to the half-moon switch?  Tube or solid state?  Pros and cons?  There's a great tech here in MA that I'll have go through it, but I'd like to avoid any expensive experimentation.  Any insight would be helpful.
> Thanks, and Cheers!-Jack
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

2011-07-05 by Tony

Great growling beasts!
I just don't have the "touch" for them.
Guess I could work on it, huh?
Congrats on your deal man, it musta been meant to be!
Tony
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----- Original Message -----
From: tron400
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 12:27 PM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

Two 122's and a 3-position half-moon switch.

...and congratulations!!

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Jack Younger wrote:
>
> Hello, All!
> So, I tend to frequent a particular flea market in Northern Massachusetts every Sunday and have found quite a few music-oriented things for short dough over the years. But this takes the cake. Allow me to set the scene:
> A producer friend of mine and I park the car and just as we are leaving the field to where the vendors are (it's outdoors), I notice a bench to a C3. I make a joke about where the organ is and think nothing further on it. We browse around, pick up some small things, see some friends and its time to go so we head back to the car. My friend decides he likes the bench (he recently got a CP70b and needs something to use with it) and the vendor gives it to him for $25, a sweet deal in and of itself. I quip "The organ is included in that price, right?" The guy says, "Well there IS an organ that goes with that, but you'd have to talk to the woman who owns it." They have no idea what model it could be, "...but it's a Hammond". We get her number and leave, excited by the mystery.
> Later in the day, I call her out of curiosity. Turns out, it was an estate item that didn't sell and she says, "We were going to smash it up and toss it in the dumpster. You can have it for the moving." !!!! I ask for pictures and model numbers. She sends them to my phone. Lo and behold...indeed, it's a C3! Purchased in 1959, it has sat in their living room, lightly used since then. Unfortunately, the tone cab was sold in the sale, but the organ remains. Apparently, it needs only one tube to function, but its mint, so even if there's more to be done, it's most certainly worth it.
> Long and short, I have movers grabbing it this week. So psyched! This will be an amazing addition to the studio and a nice friend for my Mellotron and recently purchased Rhodes 73 Suitcase.
> Now the questions for the B3/C3 folks out there....
> Obviously, I need a Leslie (which is why I'm not crying over the tone cab). I'm looking for a 122, 147, etc. and have a few local leads. My query is this:
> Do any of you prefer a Trek pedal to the half-moon switch? Tube or solid state? Pros and cons? There's a great tech here in MA that I'll have go through it, but I'd like to avoid any expensive experimentation. Any insight would be helpful.
> Thanks, and Cheers!-Jack
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

2011-07-05 by Vance Pomeroy

Jack -
Good catch!
Reminds me of a great deal on an M3 and Leslie at an Elks lodge that was closing ---- $300 - but it might as well have been a million at the time.....crud.
Congrats!
Vance

On 7/5/2011 9:32 AM, Tony wrote:
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Great growling beasts!
I just don't have the "touch" for them.
Guess I could work on it, huh?
Congrats on your deal man, it musta been meant to be!
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: tron400
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 12:27 PM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

Two 122's and a 3-position half-moon switch.

...and congratulations!!

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Jack Younger wrote:
>
> Hello, All!
> So, I tend to frequent a particular flea market in Northern Massachusetts every Sunday and have found quite a few music-oriented things for short dough over the years. But this takes the cake. Allow me to set the scene:
> A producer friend of mine and I park the car and just as we are leaving the field to where the vendors are (it's outdoors), I notice a bench to a C3. I make a joke about where the organ is and think nothing further on it. We browse around, pick up some small things, see some friends and its time to go so we head back to the car. My friend decides he likes the bench (he recently got a CP70b and needs something to use with it) and the vendor gives it to him for $25, a sweet deal in and of itself. I quip "The organ is included in that price, right?" The guy says, "Well there IS an organ that goes with that, but you'd have to talk to the woman who owns it." They have no idea what model it could be, "...but it's a Hammond". We get her number and leave, excited by the mystery.
> Later in the day, I call her out of curiosity. Turns out, it was an estate item that didn't sell and she says, "We were going to smash it up and toss it in the dumpster. You can have it for the moving." !!!! I ask for pictures and model numbers. She sends them to my phone. Lo and behold...indeed, it's a C3! Purchased in 1959, it has sat in their living room, lightly used since then. Unfortunately, the tone cab was sold in the sale, but the organ remains. Apparently, it needs only one tube to function, but its mint, so even if there's more to be done, it's most certainly worth it.
> Long and short, I have movers grabbing it this week. So psyched! This will be an amazing addition to the studio and a nice friend for my Mellotron and recently purchased Rhodes 73 Suitcase.
> Now the questions for the B3/C3 folks out there....
> Obviously, I need a Leslie (which is why I'm not crying over the tone cab). I'm looking for a 122, 147, etc. and have a few local leads. My query is this:
> Do any of you prefer a Trek pedal to the half-moon switch? Tube or solid state? Pros and cons? There's a great tech here in MA that I'll have go through it, but I'd like to avoid any expensive experimentation. Any insight would be helpful.
> Thanks, and Cheers!-Jack
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

2011-07-05 by Tom Doncourt

When you find a hammond like that it's for life!! Hearing all this makes mr want to get my poor little 1955 M3 fixed up. The thing has been beaten so badly over the 38 years I've had it and yet it still runs and sounds great! Got to hand it to Hammond, they really knew how to build stuff.

On Jul 5, 2011, at 12:32 PM, Tony wrote:

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Great growling beasts!
I just don't have the "touch" for them.
Guess I could work on it, huh?
Congrats on your deal man, it musta been meant to be!
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: tron400
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 12:27 PM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

Two 122's and a 3-position half-moon switch.

...and congratulations!!

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Jack Younger wrote:
>
> Hello, All!
> So, I tend to frequent a particular flea market in Northern Massachusetts every Sunday and have found quite a few music-oriented things for short dough over the years. But this takes the cake. Allow me to set the scene:
> A producer friend of mine and I park the car and just as we are leaving the field to where the vendors are (it's outdoors), I notice a bench to a C3. I make a joke about where the organ is and think nothing further on it. We browse around, pick up some small things, see some friends and its time to go so we head back to the car. My friend decides he likes the bench (he recently got a CP70b and needs something to use with it) and the vendor gives it to him for $25, a sweet deal in and of itself. I quip "The organ is included in that price, right?" The guy says, "Well there IS an organ that goes with that, but you'd have to talk to the woman who owns it." They have no idea what model it could be, "...but it's a Hammond". We get her number and leave, excited by the mystery.
> Later in the day, I call her out of curiosity. Turns out, it was an estate item that didn't sell and she says, "We were going to smash it up and toss it in the dumpster. You can have it for the moving." !!!! I ask for pictures and model numbers. She sends them to my phone. Lo and behold...indeed, it's a C3! Purchased in 1959, it has sat in their living room, lightly used since then. Unfortunately, the tone cab was sold in the sale, but the organ remains. Apparently, it needs only one tube to function, but its mint, so even if there's more to be done, it's most certainly worth it.
> Long and short, I have movers grabbing it this week. So psyched! This will be an amazing addition to the studio and a nice friend for my Mellotron and recently purchased Rhodes 73 Suitcase.
> Now the questions for the B3/C3 folks out there....
> Obviously, I need a Leslie (which is why I'm not crying over the tone cab). I'm looking for a 122, 147, etc. and have a few local leads. My query is this:
> Do any of you prefer a Trek pedal to the half-moon switch? Tube or solid state? Pros and cons? There's a great tech here in MA that I'll have go through it, but I'd like to avoid any expensive experimentation. Any insight would be helpful.
> Thanks, and Cheers!-Jack
>


RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

2011-07-05 by Gary Brumm

Yeah Tony, I am that way with the piano.  I grew up playing organs and synths with non-velocity keyboards
and I just don't have the "touch" for the piano.  Although I have been told that I don't play the organ like a
piano player so I guess that may be a sideways complement :).

Gary


From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 9:33 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....


Great growling beasts!
I just don't have the "touch" for them.
Guess I could work on it, huh?
Congrats on your deal man, it musta been meant to be!

Tony

----- Original Message -----
From: tron400<mailto:tron400@yahoo.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 12:27 PM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....



Two 122's and a 3-position half-moon switch.

...and congratulations!!

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>, Jack Younger <e4103s@...<mailto:e4103s@...>> wrote:
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>
> Hello, All!
> So, I tend to frequent a particular flea market in Northern Massachusetts every Sunday and have found quite a few music-oriented things for short dough over the years.  But this takes the cake.  Allow me to set the scene:
> A producer friend of mine and I park the car and just as we are leaving the field to where the vendors are (it's outdoors), I notice a bench to a C3.  I make a joke about where the organ is and think nothing further on it.  We browse around, pick up some small things, see some friends and its time to go so we head back to the car.  My friend decides he likes the bench (he recently got a CP70b and needs something to use with it) and the vendor gives it to him for $25, a sweet deal in and of itself.  I quip "The organ is included in that price, right?"  The guy says, "Well there IS an organ that goes with that, but you'd have to talk to the woman who owns it."  They have no idea what model it could be, "...but it's a Hammond".  We get her number and leave, excited by the mystery.
> Later in the day, I call her out of curiosity.  Turns out, it was an estate item that didn't sell and she says, "We were going to smash it up and toss it in the dumpster. You can have it for the moving." !!!!  I ask for pictures and model numbers. She sends them to my phone. Lo and behold...indeed, it's a C3!  Purchased in 1959, it has sat in their living room, lightly used since then.  Unfortunately, the tone cab was sold in the sale, but the organ remains.  Apparently, it needs only one tube to function, but its mint, so even if there's more to be done, it's most certainly worth it.
> Long and short, I have movers grabbing it this week.  So psyched!  This will be an amazing addition to the studio and a nice friend for my Mellotron and recently purchased Rhodes 73 Suitcase.
> Now the questions for the B3/C3 folks out there....
> Obviously, I need a Leslie (which is why I'm not crying over the tone cab).  I'm looking for a 122, 147, etc. and have a few local leads.  My query is this:
> Do any of you prefer a Trek pedal to the half-moon switch?  Tube or solid state?  Pros and cons?  There's a great tech here in MA that I'll have go through it, but I'd like to avoid any expensive experimentation.  Any insight would be helpful.
> Thanks, and Cheers!-Jack
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

2011-07-05 by Tony

Same here Gary, played guitar, 6 yrs of nothing for the lack of soul (too young I suspect), heard Tangerine Dream in college, and figured it out with my 2600, never recorded a minute of it.
100% improvised several times a day, got married 3 times, and each time it took a little bit of my soul with it.
Been "clean" lol for 3 1/2 yrs, and starting to feel the flow again.
Sounds like a load of crap, but you guys uundersand, and you're the only ones who's opinion I care about.
Isn't for lack of instrumemtation, that's for sure :-)
Tony
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----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Brumm
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 1:50 PM
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

Yeah Tony, I am that way with the piano. I grew up playing organs and synths with non-velocity keyboards

and I just don’t have the “touch” for the piano. ; Although I have been told that I don’t play the organ like a

piano player so I guess that may be a sideways complement J.

Gary

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 9:33 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

Great growling beasts!

I just don't have the "touch" for them.

Guess I could work on it, huh?

Congrats on your deal man, it musta been meant to be!

Tony

----- Original Message -----

From: tron400

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 12:27 PM

Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

Two 122's and a 3-position half-moon switch.

...and congratulations!!

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Jack Younger <e4103s@...> wrote:
>
> Hello, All!
> So, I tend to frequent a particular flea market in Northern Massachusetts every Sunday and have found quite a few music-oriented things for short dough over the years. But this takes the cake. Allow me to set the scene:
> A producer friend of mine and I park the car and just as we are leaving the field to where the vendors are (it's outdoors), I notice a bench to a C3. I make a joke about where the organ is and think nothing further on it. We browse around, pick up some small things, see some friends and its time to go so we head back to the car. My friend decides he likes the bench (he recently got a CP70b and needs something to use with it) and the vendor gives it to him for $25, a sweet deal in and of itself. I quip "The organ is included in that price, right?" The guy says, "Well there IS an organ that goes with that, but you'd have to talk to the woman who owns it." They have no idea what model it could be, "...but it's a Hammond". We get her number and leave, excited by the mystery.
> Later in the day, I call her out of curiosity. Turns out, it was an estate item that didn't sell and she says, "We were going to smash it up and toss it in the dumpster. You can have it for the moving." !!!! I ask for pictures and model numbers. She sends them to my phone. Lo and behold...indeed, it's a C3! Purchased in 1959, it has sat in their living room, lightly used since then. Unfortunately, the tone cab was sold in the sale, but the organ remains. Apparently, it needs only one tube to function, but its mint, so even if there's more to be done, it's most certainly worth it.
> Long and short, I have movers grabbing it this week. So psyched! This will be an amazing addition to the studio and a nice friend for my Mellotron and recently purchased Rhodes 73 Suitcase.
> Now the questions for the B3/C3 folks out there....
> Obviously, I need a Leslie (which is why I'm not crying over the tone cab). I'm looking for a 122, 147, etc. and have a few local leads. My query is this:
> Do any of you prefer a Trek pedal to the half-moon switch? Tube or solid state? Pros and cons? There's a great tech here in MA that I'll have go through it, but I'd like to avoid any expensive experimentation. Any insight would be helpful.
> Thanks, and Cheers!-Jack
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

2011-07-05 by Tom Doncourt

Tony, I thought surviving marriage gave a person more soul!! I'll bet its in there germinating somewhere! I am curious how you like your 2600. I have been thinking about putting together a modular system , looked at vintage stuff and am looking at the new modular stuff- its's a little bewildering. I like the idea of a "suitcase" synth like the 2600 and also the new Vostok by Analogue Solutions.

On Jul 5, 2011, at 2:27 PM, Tony wrote:

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Same here Gary, played guitar, 6 yrs of nothing for the lack of soul (too young I suspect), heard Tangerine Dream in college, and figured it out with my 2600, never recorded a minute of it.
100% improvised several times a day, got married 3 times, and each time it took a little bit of my soul with it.
Been "clean" lol for 3 1/2 yrs, and starting to feel the flow again.
Sounds like a load of crap, but you guys uundersand, and you're the only ones who's opinion I care about.
Isn't for lack of instrumemtation, that's for sure :-)
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Brumm
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 1:50 PM
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....


Yeah Tony, I am that way with the piano. I grew up playing organs and synths with non-velocity keyboards

and I just don’t have the “touch” for the piano. Although I have been told that I don’t play the organ like a

piano player so I guess that may be a sideways complement J.

Gary

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 9:33 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

Great growling beasts!

I just don't have the "touch" for them.

Guess I could work on it, huh?

Congrats on your deal man, it musta been meant to be!

Tony

----- Original Message -----

From: tron400

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 12:27 PM

Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

Two 122's and a 3-position half-moon switch.

...and congratulations!!

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Jack Younger <e4103s@...> wrote:
>
> Hello, All!
> So, I tend to frequent a particular flea market in Northern Massachusetts every Sunday and have found quite a few music-oriented things for short dough over the years. But this takes the cake. Allow me to set the scene:
> A producer friend of mine and I park the car and just as we are leaving the field to where the vendors are (it's outdoors), I notice a bench to a C3. I make a joke about where the organ is and think nothing further on it. We browse around, pick up some small things, see some friends and its time to go so we head back to the car. My friend decides he likes the bench (he recently got a CP70b and needs something to use with it) and the vendor gives it to him for $25, a sweet deal in and of itself. I quip "The organ is included in that price, right?" The guy says, "Well there IS an organ that goes with that, but you'd have to talk to the woman who owns it." They have no idea what model it could be, "...but it's a Hammond". We get her number and leave, excited by the mystery.
> Later in the day, I call her out of curiosity. Turns out, it was an estate item that didn't sell and she says, "We were going to smash it up and toss it in the dumpster. You can have it for the moving." !!!! I ask for pictures and model numbers. She sends them to my phone. Lo and behold...indeed, it's a C3! Purchased in 1959, it has sat in their living room, lightly used since then. Unfortunately, the tone cab was sold in the sale, but the organ remains. Apparently, it needs only one tube to function, but its mint, so even if there's more to be done, it's most certainly worth it.
> Long and short, I have movers grabbing it this week. So psyched! This will be an amazing addition to the studio and a nice friend for my Mellotron and recently purchased Rhodes 73 Suitcase.
> Now the questions for the B3/C3 folks out there....
> Obviously, I need a Leslie (which is why I'm not crying over the tone cab). I'm looking for a 122, 147, etc. and have a few local leads. My query is this:
> Do any of you prefer a Trek pedal to the half-moon switch? Tube or solid state? Pros and cons? There's a great tech here in MA that I'll have go through it, but I'd like to avoid any expensive experimentation. Any insight would be helpful.
> Thanks, and Cheers!-Jack
>



RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

2011-07-05 by Gary Brumm

I do understand Tony! :)


From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 11:27 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....


Same here Gary, played guitar, 6 yrs of nothing for the lack of soul (too young I suspect), heard Tangerine Dream in college, and figured it out with my 2600, never recorded a minute of it.
100% improvised several times a day, got married 3 times, and each time it took a little bit of my soul with it.

Been "clean" lol for 3 1/2 yrs, and starting to feel the flow again.
Sounds like a load of crap, but you guys uundersand, and you're the only ones who's opinion I care about.

Isn't for lack of instrumemtation, that's for sure  :-)
Tony

----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Brumm<mailto:gabru@comsec.net>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 1:50 PM
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....


Yeah Tony, I am that way with the piano.  I grew up playing organs and synths with non-velocity keyboards
and I just don't have the "touch" for the piano.  Although I have been told that I don't play the organ like a
piano player so I guess that may be a sideways complement :).
Gary
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 9:33 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

Great growling beasts!
I just don't have the "touch" for them.
Guess I could work on it, huh?
Congrats on your deal man, it musta been meant to be!
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: tron400<mailto:tron400@yahoo.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 12:27 PM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....


Two 122's and a 3-position half-moon switch.

...and congratulations!!

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>, Jack Younger <e4103s@...<mailto:e4103s@...>> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> Hello, All!
> So, I tend to frequent a particular flea market in Northern Massachusetts every Sunday and have found quite a few music-oriented things for short dough over the years.  But this takes the cake.  Allow me to set the scene:
> A producer friend of mine and I park the car and just as we are leaving the field to where the vendors are (it's outdoors), I notice a bench to a C3.  I make a joke about where the organ is and think nothing further on it.  We browse around, pick up some small things, see some friends and its time to go so we head back to the car.  My friend decides he likes the bench (he recently got a CP70b and needs something to use with it) and the vendor gives it to him for $25, a sweet deal in and of itself.  I quip "The organ is included in that price, right?"  The guy says, "Well there IS an organ that goes with that, but you'd have to talk to the woman who owns it."  They have no idea what model it could be, "...but it's a Hammond".  We get her number and leave, excited by the mystery.
> Later in the day, I call her out of curiosity.  Turns out, it was an estate item that didn't sell and she says, "We were going to smash it up and toss it in the dumpster. You can have it for the moving." !!!!  I ask for pictures and model numbers. She sends them to my phone. Lo and behold...indeed, it's a C3!  Purchased in 1959, it has sat in their living room, lightly used since then.  Unfortunately, the tone cab was sold in the sale, but the organ remains.  Apparently, it needs only one tube to function, but its mint, so even if there's more to be done, it's most certainly worth it.
> Long and short, I have movers grabbing it this week.  So psyched!  This will be an amazing addition to the studio and a nice friend for my Mellotron and recently purchased Rhodes 73 Suitcase.
> Now the questions for the B3/C3 folks out there....
> Obviously, I need a Leslie (which is why I'm not crying over the tone cab).  I'm looking for a 122, 147, etc. and have a few local leads.  My query is this:
> Do any of you prefer a Trek pedal to the half-moon switch?  Tube or solid state?  Pros and cons?  There's a great tech here in MA that I'll have go through it, but I'd like to avoid any expensive experimentation.  Any insight would be helpful.
> Thanks, and Cheers!-Jack
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

2011-07-05 by Tony

Suck the soul right out of you!
I'm finished with it.
Tony
----- Original Message -----
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From: Gary Brumm
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 2:42 PM
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

I do understand Tony! J

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 11:27 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

Same here Gary, played guitar, 6 yrs of nothing for the lack of soul (too young I suspect), heard Tangerine Dream in college, and figured it out with my 2600, never recorded a minute of it.

100% improvised several times a day, got married 3 times, and each time it took a little bit of my soul with it.

Been "clean" lol for 3 1/2 yrs, and starting to feel the flow again.

Sounds like a load of crap, but you guys uundersand, and you're the only ones who's opinion I care about.

Isn't for lack of instrumemtation, that's for sure :-)

Tony

----- Original Message -----

From: Gary Brumm

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 1:50 PM

Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

Yeah Tony, I am that way with the piano. I grew up playing organs and synths with non-velocity keyboards

and I just don’t have the “touch” for the piano. Although I have been told that I don’t play the organ like a

piano player so I guess that may be a sideways complement J.

Gary

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 9:33 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

Great growling beasts!

I just don't have the "touch" for them.

Guess I could work on it, huh?

Congrats on your deal man, it musta been meant to be!

Tony

----- Original Message -----

From: tron400

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 12:27 PM

Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

Two 122's and a 3-position half-moon switch.

...and congratulations!!

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Jack Younger <e4103s@...> wrote:
>
> Hello, All!
> So, I tend to frequent a particular flea market in Northern Massachusetts every Sunday and have found quite a few music-oriented things for short dough over the years. But this takes the cake. Allow me to set the scene:
> A producer friend of mine and I park the car and just as we are leaving the field to where the vendors are (it's outdoors), I notice a bench to a C3. I make a joke about where the organ is and think nothing further on it. We browse around, pick up some small things, see some friends and its time to go so we head back to the car. My friend decides he likes the bench (he recently got a CP70b and needs something to use with it) and the vendor gives it to him for $25, a sweet deal in and of itself. I quip "The organ is included in that price, right?" The guy says, "Well there IS an organ that goes with that, but you'd have to talk to the woman who owns it." They have no idea what model it could be, "...but it's a Hammond". We get her number and leave, excited by the mystery.
> Later in the day, I call her out of curiosity. Turns out, it was an estate item that didn't sell and she says, "We were going to smash it up and toss it in the dumpster. You can have it for the moving." !!!! I ask for pictures and model numbers. She sends them to my phone. Lo and behold...indeed, it's a C3! Purchased in 1959, it has sat in their living room, lightly used since then. Unfortunately, the tone cab was sold in the sale, but the organ remains. Apparently, it needs only one tube to function, but its mint, so even if there's more to be done, it's most certainly worth it.
> Long and short, I have movers grabbing it this week. So psyched! This will be an amazing addition to the studio and a nice friend for my Mellotron and recently purchased Rhodes 73 Suitcase.
> Now the questions for the B3/C3 folks out there....
> Obviously, I need a Leslie (which is why I'm not crying over the tone cab). I'm looking for a 122, 147, etc. and have a few local leads. My query is this:
> Do any of you prefer a Trek pedal to the half-moon switch? Tube or solid state? Pros and cons? There's a great tech here in MA that I'll have go through it, but I'd like to avoid any expensive experimentation. Any insight would be helpful.
> Thanks, and Cheers!-Jack
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

2011-07-05 by sdavmor

On 07/05/2011 06:02 AM, Jack Younger wrote:
> Hello, All!
>
> So, I tend to frequent a particular flea market in Northern
> Massachusetts every Sunday and have found quite a few music-oriented
> things for short dough over the years. But this takes the cake. Allow
> me to set the scene:
>
> A producer friend of mine and I park the car and just as we are
> leaving the field to where the vendors are (it's outdoors), I notice a
> bench to a C3. I make a joke about where the organ is and think
> nothing further on it. We browse around, pick up some small things,
> see some friends and its time to go so we head back to the car. My
> friend decides he likes the bench (he recently got a CP70b and needs
> something to use with it) and the vendor gives it to him for $25, a
> sweet deal in and of itself. I quip "The organ is included in that
> price, right?" The guy says, "Well there IS an organ that goes with
> that, but you'd have to talk to the woman who owns it." They have no
> idea what model it could be, "...but it's a Hammond". We get her
> number and leave, excited by the mystery.
>
> Later in the day, I call her out of curiosity. Turns out, it was an
> estate item that didn't sell and she says, "We were going to smash it
> up and toss it in the dumpster. You can have it for the moving." !!!!
> I ask for pictures and model numbers. She sends them to my phone. Lo
> and behold...indeed, it's a C3! Purchased in 1959, it has sat in their
> living room, lightly used since then. Unfortunately, the tone cab was
> sold in the sale, but the organ remains. Apparently, it needs only one
> tube to function, but its mint, so even if there's more to be done,
> it's most certainly worth it.
>
> Long and short, I have movers grabbing it this week. So psyched! This
> will be an amazing addition to the studio and a nice friend for my
> Mellotron and recently purchased Rhodes 73 Suitcase.
>
> Now the questions for the B3/C3 folks out there....
>
> Obviously, I need a Leslie (which is why I'm not crying over the tone
> cab). I'm looking for a 122, 147, etc. and have a few local leads. My
> query is this:
>
> Do any of you prefer a Trek pedal to the half-moon switch? Tube or
> solid state? Pros and cons? There's a great tech here in MA that I'll
> have go through it, but I'd like to avoid any expensive
> experimentation. Any insight would be helpful.
>
> Thanks, and Cheers!
> -Jack

Wow!  that is one hell of a find.  Well done!
-- 
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Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

2011-07-05 by Tony

Hey Tom, I love both of mine, just missed a 3rd (seller unposted, suspicious), oh well.
I'm going modular, in a major way.
I'll bet you'd like it, and I was an ARP tech in the 80's (good times), as well as an Oberheim and Sequential tech too.
Feel free to consult me, if you like.
Best,
Tony
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

Tony, I thought surviving marriage gave a person more soul!! I'll bet its in there germinating somewhere! I am curious how you like your 2600. I have been thinking about putting together a modular system , looked at vintage stuff and am looking at the new modular stuff- its's a little bewildering. I like the idea of a "suitcase" synth like the 2600 and also the new Vostok by Analogue Solutions.


On Jul 5, 2011, at 2:27 PM, Tony wrote:


Same here Gary, played guitar, 6 yrs of nothing for the lack of soul (too young I suspect), heard Tangerine Dream in college, and figured it out with my 2600, never recorded a minute of it.
100% improvised several times a day, got married 3 times, and each time it took a little bit of my soul with it.
Been "clean" lol for 3 1/2 yrs, and starting to feel the flow again.
Sounds like a load of crap, but you guys uundersand, and you're the only ones who's opinion I care about.
Isn't for lack of instrumemtation, that's for sure :-)
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Brumm
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 1:50 PM
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....


Yeah Tony, I am that way with the piano. I grew up playing organs and synths with non-velocity keyboards

and I just don’t have the “touch” for the piano. Although I have been told that I don’t play the organ like a

piano player so I guess that may be a sideways complement J.

Gary

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 9:33 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

Great growling beasts!

I just don't have the "touch" for them.

Guess I could work on it, huh?

Congrats on your deal man, it musta been meant to be!

Tony

----- Original Message -----

From: tron400

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 12:27 PM

Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

;

Two 122's and a 3-position half-moon switch.

...and congratulations!!

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Jack Younger <e4103s@...> wrote:
>
> Hello, All!
> So, I tend to frequent a particular flea market in Northern Massachusetts every Sunday and have found quite a few music-oriented things for short dough over the years. But this takes the cake. Allow me to set the scene:
> A producer friend of mine and I park the car and just as we are leaving the field to where the vendors are (it's outdoors), I notice a bench to a C3. I make a joke about where the organ is and think nothing further on it. We browse around, pick up some small things, see some friends and its time to go so we head back to the car. My friend decides he likes the bench (he recently got a CP70b and needs something to use with it) and the vendor gives it to him for $25, a sweet deal in and of itself. I quip "The organ is included in that price, right?" The guy says, "Well there IS an organ that goes with that, but you'd have to talk to the woman who owns it." They have no idea what model it could be, "...but it's a Hammond". We get her number and leave, excited by the mystery.
> Later in the day, I call her out of curiosity. Turns out, it was an estate item that didn't sell and she says, "We were going to smash it up and toss it in the dumpster. You can have it for the moving." !!!! I ask for pictures and model numbers. She sends them to my phone. Lo and behold...indeed, it's a C3! Purchased in 1959, it has sat in their living room, lightly used since then. Unfortunately, the tone cab was sold in the sale, but the organ remains. Apparently, it needs only one tube to function, but its mint, so even if there's more to be done, it's most certainly worth it.
> Long and short, I have movers grabbing it this week. So psyched! This will be an amazing addition to the studio and a nice friend for my Mellotron and recently purchased Rhodes 73 Suitcase.
> Now the questions for the B3/C3 folks out there....
> Obviously, I need a Leslie (which is why I'm not crying over the tone cab). I'm looking for a 122, 147, etc. and have a few local leads. My query is this:
> Do any of you prefer a Trek pedal to the half-moon switch? Tube or solid state? Pros and cons? There's a great tech here in MA that I'll have go through it, but I'd like to avoid any expensive experimentation. Any insight would be helpful.
> Thanks, and Cheers!-Jack
>




Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

2011-07-05 by Tom Doncourt

Thanks Tony,I will !
On Jul 5, 2011, at 3:36 PM, Tony wrote:

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Hey Tom, I love both of mine, just missed a 3rd (seller unposted, suspicious), oh well.
I'm going modular, in a major way.
I'll bet you'd like it, and I was an ARP tech in the 80's (good times), as well as an Oberheim and Sequential tech too.
Feel free to consult me, if you like.
Best,
Tony
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

Tony, I thought surviving marriage gave a person more soul!! I'll bet its in there germinating somewhere! I am curious how you like your 2600. I have been thinking about putting together a modular system , looked at vintage stuff and am looking at the new modular stuff- its's a little bewildering. I like the idea of a "suitcase" synth like the 2600 and also the new Vostok by Analogue Solutions.


On Jul 5, 2011, at 2:27 PM, Tony wrote:


Same here Gary, played guitar, 6 yrs of nothing for the lack of soul (too young I suspect), heard Tangerine Dream in college, and figured it out with my 2600, never recorded a minute of it.
100% improvised several times a day, got married 3 times, and each time it took a little bit of my soul with it.
Been "clean" lol for 3 1/2 yrs, and starting to feel the flow again.
Sounds like a load of crap, but you guys uundersand, and you're the only ones who's opinion I care about.
Isn't for lack of instrumemtation, that's for sure :-)
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Brumm
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 1:50 PM
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....


Yeah Tony, I am that way with the piano. I grew up playing organs and synths with non-velocity keyboards

and I just don’t have the “touch” for the piano. Although I have been told that I don’t play the organ like a

piano player so I guess that may be a sideways complement J.

Gary

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 9:33 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

Great growling beasts!

I just don't have the "touch" for them.

Guess I could work on it, huh?

Congrats on your deal man, it musta been meant to be!

Tony

----- Original Message -----

From: tron400

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 12:27 PM

Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

Two 122's and a 3-position half-moon switch.

...and congratulations!!

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Jack Younger <e4103s@...> wrote:
>
> Hello, All!
> So, I tend to frequent a particular flea market in Northern Massachusetts every Sunday and have found quite a few music-oriented things for short dough over the years. But this takes the cake. Allow me to set the scene:
> A producer friend of mine and I park the car and just as we are leaving the field to where the vendors are (it's outdoors), I notice a bench to a C3. I make a joke about where the organ is and think nothing further on it. We browse around, pick up some small things, see some friends and its time to go so we head back to the car. My friend decides he likes the bench (he recently got a CP70b and needs something to use with it) and the vendor gives it to him for $25, a sweet deal in and of itself. I quip "The organ is included in that price, right?" The guy says, "Well there IS an organ that goes with that, but you'd have to talk to the woman who owns it." They have no idea what model it could be, "...but it's a Hammond". We get her number and leave, excited by the mystery.
> Later in the day, I call her out of curiosity. Turns out, it was an estate item that didn't sell and she says, "We were going to smash it up and toss it in the dumpster. You can have it for the moving." !!!! I ask for pictures and model numbers. She sends them to my phone. Lo and behold...indeed, it's a C3! Purchased in 1959, it has sat in their living room, lightly used since then. Unfortunately, the tone cab was sold in the sale, but the organ remains. Apparently, it needs only one tube to function, but its mint, so even if there's more to be done, it's most certainly worth it.
> Long and short, I have movers grabbing it this week. So psyched! This will be an amazing addition to the studio and a nice friend for my Mellotron and recently purchased Rhodes 73 Suitcase.
> Now the questions for the B3/C3 folks out there....
> Obviously, I need a Leslie (which is why I'm not crying over the tone cab). I'm looking for a 122, 147, etc. and have a few local leads. My query is this:
> Do any of you prefer a Trek pedal to the half-moon switch? Tube or solid state? Pros and cons? There's a great tech here in MA that I'll have go through it, but I'd like to avoid any expensive experimentation. Any insight would be helpful.
> Thanks, and Cheers!-Jack
>






RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

2011-07-05 by John Hammaren

I too have a modular - Synthesizers.com 134 spaces, built up over three years and I still delete a module and add some of the more esoteric ones that pop up used. While I don't spend nearly enough time with it, particularly since Frank brought #525 back to life for me (man that little guy - the 525, not you Frank-  is a joy, even with it's ideosyncracies). Anyway, the Dotcom is an incredible box for the price. Is it a Moog? Hell no. My Voyager kills it when it comes to the big sounds, but there's plenty more than just that. A real Dotcommer might disagree with that last statement. I have not found that sweet spot though. What I wanted to point out, which seems to be the biggest issue ultimately for all micro-sized industry buyers is support. I can't speak for the Vostok other than what I read in SOS
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jan03/articles/ansvostok.asp

I have never, and I mean never experienced support like I have with the Dotcom. Misplug a module and eff it up? Send it back, and get a new one. One note on the VC keyboard goes bad after 5 years? Send it back. Fixed it up no-charge. Now that's service. The one negative is that the modules do tend to be more generic, although there is the Moog 960/61/62/63 clone and a really nice Qunatizer that came out a while back. The quarter inch Moog format is a plus for me but not for some. It might be a stretch to put the portable format in a suitcase. MU format seems to have gained immense popularity. With that said, if you are in Europe, then the Vostok makes a bit more sense due to the usual exchange/duty issues. DotCom is NOT ROHS last I heard, although that might have changed, so shipment of new to the continent is a problem. Finally, if you want the best of a lot of worlds, get a Moog Voyager XL, if you have the sheckcles. Or a Buchla 200e. Okay, just kidding on that one.

RegaRDS,

John

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com]<mailto:[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com]> On Behalf Of Tom Doncourt
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 4:31 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....



Thanks Tony,I will !
On Jul 5, 2011, at 3:36 PM, Tony wrote:




Hey Tom, I love both of mine, just missed a 3rd (seller unposted, suspicious), oh well.
I'm going modular, in a major way.
I'll bet you'd like it, and I was an ARP tech in the 80's (good times), as well as an Oberheim and Sequential tech too.

Feel free to consult me, if you like.

Best,
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Doncourt<mailto:tomdcour@amnh.org>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....



Tony, I thought surviving marriage gave a person more soul!! I'll bet its in there germinating somewhere! I am curious how you like your 2600. I have been thinking about putting together a modular system , looked at vintage stuff and am looking at the new modular stuff- its's a little bewildering. I like the idea of a "suitcase" synth like the 2600 and also the new Vostok by Analogue Solutions.

On Jul 5, 2011, at 2:27 PM, Tony wrote:




Same here Gary, played guitar, 6 yrs of nothing for the lack of soul (too young I suspect), heard Tangerine Dream in college, and figured it out with my 2600, never recorded a minute of it.
100% improvised several times a day, got married 3 times, and each time it took a little bit of my soul with it.

Been "clean" lol for 3 1/2 yrs, and starting to feel the flow again.
Sounds like a load of crap, but you guys uundersand, and you're the only ones who's opinion I care about.

Isn't for lack of instrumemtation, that's for sure  :-)
Tony

----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Brumm<mailto:gabru@comsec.net>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 1:50 PM
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....



Yeah Tony, I am that way with the piano.  I grew up playing organs and synths with non-velocity keyboards
and I just don't have the "touch" for the piano.  Although I have been told that I don't play the organ like a
piano player so I guess that may be a sideways complement :).
Gary
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com]<mailto:[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com]> On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 9:33 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

Great growling beasts!
I just don't have the "touch" for them.
Guess I could work on it, huh?
Congrats on your deal man, it musta been meant to be!
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: tron400<mailto:tron400@yahoo.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 12:27 PM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....


Two 122's and a 3-position half-moon switch.

...and congratulations!!

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>, Jack Younger <e4103s@...<mailto:e4103s@...>> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> Hello, All!
> So, I tend to frequent a particular flea market in Northern Massachusetts every Sunday and have found quite a few music-oriented things for short dough over the years.  But this takes the cake.  Allow me to set the scene:
> A producer friend of mine and I park the car and just as we are leaving the field to where the vendors are (it's outdoors), I notice a bench to a C3.  I make a joke about where the organ is and think nothing further on it.  We browse around, pick up some small things, see some friends and its time to go so we head back to the car.  My friend decides he likes the bench (he recently got a CP70b and needs something to use with it) and the vendor gives it to him for $25, a sweet deal in and of itself.  I quip "The organ is included in that price, right?"  The guy says, "Well there IS an organ that goes with that, but you'd have to talk to the woman who owns it."  They have no idea what model it could be, "...but it's a Hammond".  We get her number and leave, excited by the mystery.
> Later in the day, I call her out of curiosity.  Turns out, it was an estate item that didn't sell and she says, "We were going to smash it up and toss it in the dumpster. You can have it for the moving." !!!!  I ask for pictures and model numbers. She sends them to my phone. Lo and behold...indeed, it's a C3!  Purchased in 1959, it has sat in their living room, lightly used since then.  Unfortunately, the tone cab was sold in the sale, but the organ remains.  Apparently, it needs only one tube to function, but its mint, so even if there's more to be done, it's most certainly worth it.
> Long and short, I have movers grabbing it this week.  So psyched!  This will be an amazing addition to the studio and a nice friend for my Mellotron and recently purchased Rhodes 73 Suitcase.
> Now the questions for the B3/C3 folks out there....
> Obviously, I need a Leslie (which is why I'm not crying over the tone cab).  I'm looking for a 122, 147, etc. and have a few local leads.  My query is this:
> Do any of you prefer a Trek pedal to the half-moon switch?  Tube or solid state?  Pros and cons?  There's a great tech here in MA that I'll have go through it, but I'd like to avoid any expensive experimentation.  Any insight would be helpful.
> Thanks, and Cheers!-Jack
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

2011-07-06 by Chris Dale

The closest I ever got to this was buying an M3 (no tubes in it) for $5.00 at a Goodwill. They had it alongside other junky organs at the time.




Show quoted textHide quoted text
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 10:02 PM, Jack Younger <e4103s@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hello, All!

So, I tend to frequent a particular flea market in Northern Massachusetts every Sunday and have found quite a few music-oriented things for short dough over the years. But this takes the cake. Allow me to set the scene:

A producer friend of mine and I park the car and just as we are leaving the field to where the vendors are (it's outdoors), I notice a bench to a C3. I make a joke about where the organ is and think nothing further on it. We browse around, pick up some small things, see some friends and its time to go so we head back to the car. My friend decides he likes the bench (he recently got a CP70b and needs something to use with it) and the vendor gives it to him for $25, a sweet deal in and of itself. I quip "The organ is included in that price, right?" The guy says, "Well there IS an organ that goes with that, but you'd have to talk to the woman who owns it." They have no idea what model it could be, "...but it's a Hammond". We get her number and leave, excited by the mystery.

Later in the day, I call her out of curiosity. Turns out, it was an estate item that didn't sell and she says, "We were going to smash it up and toss it in the dumpster. You can have it for the moving." !!!! I ask for pictures and model numbers. She sends them to my phone. Lo and behold...indeed, it's a C3! Purchased in 1959, it has sat in their living room, lightly used since then. Unfortunately, the tone cab was sold in the sale, but the organ remains. Apparently, it needs only one tube to function, but its mint, so even if there's more to be done, it's most certainly worth it.

Long and short, I have movers grabbing it this week. So psyched! This will be an amazing addition to the studio and a nice friend for my Mellotron and recently purchased Rhodes 73 Suitcase.

Now the questions for the B3/C3 folks out there....

Obviously, I need a Leslie (which is why I'm not crying over the tone cab). I'm looking for a 122, 147, etc. and have a few local leads. My query is this:

Do any of you prefer a Trek pedal to the half-moon switch? Tube or solid state? Pros and cons? There's a great tech here in MA that I'll have go through it, but I'd like to avoid any expensive experimentation. Any insight would be helpful.

Thanks, and Cheers!
-Jack


Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

2011-07-06 by tron400

Up until a year ago (or less) I had an 88-space Dotcom with several 3rd party modules. Dotcom is a great foundation and with all the 3rd party manufacturers supporting it now, you can build quite a versatile system.

Now my modular is down to a 22-space portable after selling off most of it so I could give my stepdaughter some cash for college. She started at MIT last month, so hopefully in the future when she gets a job, she'll remember

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, John Hammaren wrote:
>
> I too have a modular - Synthesizers.com 134 spaces, built up over three years and I still delete a module and add some of the more esoteric ones that pop up used. While I don't spend nearly enough time with it, particularly since Frank brought #525 back to life for me (man that little guy - the 525, not you Frank- is a joy, even with it's ideosyncracies). Anyway, the Dotcom is an incredible box for the price. Is it a Moog? Hell no. My Voyager kills it when it comes to the big sounds, but there's plenty more than just that. A real Dotcommer might disagree with that last statement. I have not found that sweet spot though. What I wanted to point out, which seems to be the biggest issue ultimately for all micro-sized industry buyers is support. I can't speak for the Vostok other than what I read in SOS
> http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jan03/articles/ansvostok.asp
>
> I have never, and I mean never experienced support like I have with the Dotcom. Misplug a module and eff it up? Send it back, and get a new one. One note on the VC keyboard goes bad after 5 years? Send it back. Fixed it up no-charge. Now that's service. The one negative is that the modules do tend to be more generic, although there is the Moog 960/61/62/63 clone and a really nice Qunatizer that came out a while back. The quarter inch Moog format is a plus for me but not for some. It might be a stretch to put the portable format in a suitcase. MU format seems to have gained immense popularity. With that said, if you are in Europe, then the Vostok makes a bit more sense due to the usual exchange/duty issues. DotCom is NOT ROHS last I heard, although that might have changed, so shipment of new to the continent is a problem. Finally, if you want the best of a lot of worlds, get a Moog Voyager XL, if you have the sheckcles. Or a Buchla 200e. Okay, just kidding on that one.
>
> RegaRDS,
>
> John
>
>; From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Tom Doncourt
> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 4:31 PM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....
>
>
>
> Thanks Tony,I will !
> On Jul 5, 2011, at 3:36 PM, Tony wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Hey Tom, I love both of mine, just missed a 3rd (seller unposted, suspicious), oh well.
> I'm going modular, in a major way.
> I'll bet you'd like it, and I was an ARP tech in the 80's (good times), as well as an Oberheim and Sequential tech too.
>
> Feel free to consult me, if you like.
>
> Best,
> Tony
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom Doncourt> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 2:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....
>
>
>
> Tony, I thought surviving marriage gave a person more soul!! I'll bet its in there germinating somewhere! I am curious how you like your 2600. I have been thinking about putting together a modular system , looked at vintage stuff and am looking at the new modular stuff- its's a little bewildering. I like the idea of a "suitcase" synth like the 2600 and also the new Vostok by Analogue Solutions.
>
> On Jul 5, 2011, at 2:27 PM, Tony wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Same here Gary, played guitar, 6 yrs of nothing for the lack of soul (too young I suspect), heard Tangerine Dream in college, and figured it out with my 2600, never recorded a minute of it.
> 100% improvised several times a day, got married 3 times, and each time it took a little bit of my soul with it.
>
> Been "clean" lol for 3 1/2 yrs, and starting to feel the flow again.
> Sounds like a load of crap, but you guys uundersand, and you're the only ones who's opinion I care about.
>
> Isn't for lack of instrumemtation, that's for sure :-)
> Tony
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gary Brumm> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 1:50 PM
> Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....
>
>
>
> Yeah Tony, I am that way with the piano. I grew up playing organs and synths with non-velocity keyboards
> and I just don't have the "touch" for the piano. Although I have been told that I don't play the organ like a
> piano player so I guess that may be a sideways complement :).
> Gary
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Tony
> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 9:33 AM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....
>
> Great growling beasts!
> I just don't have the "touch" for them.
> Guess I could work on it, huh?
> Congrats on your deal man, it musta been meant to be!
> Tony
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tron400> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 12:27 PM
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....
>
>
> Two 122's and a 3-position half-moon switch.
>
> ...and congratulations!!
>
> Bernie
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> >
> > Hello, All!
> > So, I tend to frequent a particular flea market in Northern Massachusetts every Sunday and have found quite a few music-oriented things for short dough over the years. But this takes the cake. Allow me to set the scene:
> > A producer friend of mine and I park the car and just as we are leaving the field to where the vendors are (it's outdoors), I notice a bench to a C3. I make a joke about where the organ is and think nothing further on it. We browse around, pick up some small things, see some friends and its time to go so we head back to the car. My friend decides he likes the bench (he recently got a CP70b and needs something to use with it) and the vendor gives it to him for $25, a sweet deal in and of itself. I quip "The organ is included in that price, right?" The guy says, "Well there IS an organ that goes with that, but you'd have to talk to the woman who owns it." They have no idea what model it could be, "...but it's a Hammond". We get her number and leave, excited by the mystery.
> > Later in the day, I call her out of curiosity. Turns out, it was an estate item that didn't sell and she says, "We were going to smash it up and toss it in the dumpster. You can have it for the moving." !!!! I ask for pictures and model numbers. She sends them to my phone. Lo and behold...indeed, it's a C3! Purchased in 1959, it has sat in their living room, lightly used since then. Unfortunately, the tone cab was sold in the sale, but the organ remains. Apparently, it needs only one tube to function, but its mint, so even if there's more to be done, it's most certainly worth it.
> > Long and short, I have movers grabbing it this week. So psyched! This will be an amazing addition to the studio and a nice friend for my Mellotron and recently purchased Rhodes 73 Suitcase.
> > Now the questions for the B3/C3 folks out there....
> > Obviously, I need a Leslie (which is why I'm not crying over the tone cab). I'm looking for a 122, 147, etc. and have a few local leads. My query is this:
> > Do any of you prefer a Trek pedal to the half-moon switch? Tube or solid state? Pros and cons? There's a great tech here in MA that I'll have go through it, but I'd like to avoid any expensive experimentation. Any insight would be helpful.
> > Thanks, and Cheers!-Jack
> >
>

RE: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

2011-07-08 by Mark Wallis

Well done there on the C3! Hopefully the following may be helpful:

Most Leslies can be used with this providing a suitable connector box is supplied with the Leslie you go for. All rotary speakers are in their own way cool yet the old favourites still tend to be the 122/147 series. The 147 is also the least hassle to connect, and you don't necessarily need any kind of connector box as signal and power can be tapped straight from the organ, a six pin Amphenol socket can be substituted for an existing 5-pin in the brown-painted output box that lives in the bottom of the case, connect up the switch of your choice and wail..

Do you already have a half-moon switch fitted, or even two? If so, then chances are that you'll a six pin socket lurking on the output box and if you have a switch marked MAIN ENSEMBLE ECHO then you should have an output for at least 1 Leslie and either one of Hammonds tone cabs (5 pin, mains supply + balanced pre-amped signal) or another Leslie. Even if switches have been removed most of the wiring might still remain and hopefully the Leslie sockets. Feel for screw holes along the underside of the front lip of the organ.

There's a bit more involved in connecting a 122 owing to different switching arrangements. 122s respond slightly differently when speeds are switched and the balanced signal makes for less susceptibility to interference from stage lights. The C3 is designed to output a balanced signal, fairly heftily pre-amped, which needs to be attenuated (simple job) if you want to wire in a jack socket for use with your favourite amp. This is always a handy way of getting around the lack of reverb on most Leslies, simply have a small guitar amp there just for reverb or any other effects you fancy. Reverb model valve Leslies have stationary reverb speakers anyway. You'll have fun playing STUPIDLY loud Hammond through the Big Rock Guitar Wall Of Doom for a while but Leslies are more fun. They breathe.

Mechanically, 147 and 122 are identical. 145 and 142 are, respectively, 147 and 122 in shorter cabinets. A 145's amp will be marked '147'.

Important: If you're wired for a 122 NEVER plug a 147 in and vice-versa, even though they both use the 6-pin connection. Just don't. Always check when you get the opportunity to try other Leslies, or are borrowing or lending Hammond/Leslie stuff.


If the Leslie's lost it's labels there's an easy way to tell- A 122 amp has 2 identical small valves (12AU7) at the front end and 1 volume pot, a 147/145 has just 1 12AU7, a volume control and a rotary switch for impedance matching (these amps were designed to be used with unbalanced signals, making them easier to use with non-Hammond organs.)

Valve vs solid state...

solid state Leslies are cool. They're Leslies, and all Leslies are cool.

Valve ones sound nicer. Transistor ones are handy for the motor stacks so don't be afraid of tatty cheap 760s once you get your 122/147/145.

You don't need a pre-amp pedal. You have a perfectly splendid valve preamp in the C3. Use the RCA jack on the 'conning tower' of the preamp (the AO-28) and you also have a valve Leslie preamp that you can run guitars into. ..that happens to be C3 shaped.

Also, benefiting as you do in the USA from lower mains voltage you get to switch at 110v instead of 240, so straight away your connection issues are simplified.

now, if you can get TWO 147s, or 122s... that's a sound to die for.

Best whooshes,

MSW




To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
From: unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 09:59:46 +0900
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

The closest I ever got to this was buying an M3 (no tubes in it) for $5.00 at a Goodwill. They had it alongside other junky organs at the time.





On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 10:02 PM, Jack Younger <e4103s@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hello, All!

So, I tend to frequent a particular flea market in Northern Massachusetts every Sunday and have found quite a few music-oriented things for short dough over the years. But this takes the cake. Allow me to set the scene:

A producer friend of mine and I park the car and just as we are leaving the field to where the vendors are (it's outdoors), I notice a bench to a C3. I make a joke about where the organ is and think nothing further on it. We browse around, pick up some small things, see some friends and its time to go so we head back to the car. My friend decides he likes the bench (he recently got a CP70b and needs something to use with it) and the vendor gives it to him for $25, a sweet deal in and of itself. I quip "The organ is included in that price, right?" The guy says, "Well there IS an organ that goes with that, but you'd have to talk to the woman who owns it." They have no idea what model it could be, "...but it's a Hammond". We get her number and leave, excited by the mystery.

Later in the day, I call her out of curiosity. Turns out, it was an estate item that didn't sell and she says, "We were going to smash it up and toss it in the dumpster. You can have it for the moving." !!!! I ask for pictures and model numbers. She sends them to my phone. Lo and behold...indeed, it's a C3! Purchased in 1959, it has sat in their living room, lightly used since then. Unfortunately, the tone cab was sold in the sale, but the organ remains. Apparently, it needs only one tube to function, but its mint, so even if there's more to be done, it's most certainly worth it.

Long and short, I have movers grabbing it this week. So psyched! This will be an amazing addition to the studio and a nice friend for my Mellotron and recently purchased Rhodes 73 Suitcase.

Now the questions for the B3/C3 folks out there....

Obviously, I need a Leslie (which is why I'm not crying over the tone cab). I'm looking for a 122, 147, etc. and have a few local leads. My query is this:

Do any of you prefer a Trek pedal to the half-moon switch? Tube or solid state? Pros and cons? There's a great tech here in MA that I'll have go through it, but I'd like to avoid any expensive experimentation. Any insight would be helpful.

Thanks, and Cheers!
-Jack




Re: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

2011-07-08 by william Beith

One other pre amp consideration is to wire a phone jack/plug after the pre amp 
and before the signal goes to t eh Leslie. Then take your favorite effects box 
and run the Hammond through it sending the output to the Leslie via the phone 
plug/jack insert point. The sound of a long dense reverb tail with a Leslie on 
slow is quite a sound. Lets you play the precussion with all drawbars off like a 
conga.

Bill




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From: Mark Wallis <markstuartwallis@hotmail.com>
To: new trongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, July 8, 2011 4:59:12 PM
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 
story....question or two....

  
Well done there on the C3! Hopefully the following may be helpful:

Most Leslies can be used with this providing a suitable connector box is 
supplied with the Leslie you go for. All rotary speakers are in their own way 
cool yet the old favourites still tend to be the 122/147 series. The 147 is also 
the least hassle to connect, and you don't necessarily need any kind of 
connector box as signal and power can be tapped straight from the organ, a six 
pin Amphenol socket can be substituted for an existing 5-pin in the 
brown-painted output box that lives in the bottom of the case, connect up the 
switch of your choice and wail..

 Do you already have a half-moon switch fitted, or even two? If so, then chances 
are that you'll a six pin socket lurking on the output box and if you have a 
switch marked MAIN ENSEMBLE ECHO then you should have an output for at least 1 
Leslie and either one of Hammonds tone cabs (5 pin, mains supply + balanced 
pre-amped signal) or another Leslie. Even if switches have been removed most of 
the wiring might still remain and hopefully the Leslie sockets. Feel for screw 
holes along the underside of the front lip of the organ.

There's a bit more involved in connecting a 122  owing to different switching 
arrangements. 122s respond slightly differently when speeds are switched and the 
balanced signal makes for less susceptibility to interference from stage lights. 
The C3 is designed to output a balanced signal, fairly heftily pre-amped, which 
needs to be attenuated (simple job) if you want to wire in a jack socket for use 
with your favourite amp. This is always a handy way of getting around the lack 
of reverb on most Leslies, simply have a small guitar amp there just for reverb 
or any other effects you fancy. Reverb model valve Leslies have stationary 
reverb speakers anyway. You'll have fun playing STUPIDLY loud Hammond through 
the Big Rock Guitar Wall Of Doom for a while but Leslies are more fun. They 
breathe.

Mechanically, 147 and 122 are identical. 145 ! and 142 are, respectively, 147 
and 122 in shorter cabinets. A 145's amp will be marked '147'. 


Important: If you're wired for a 122 NEVER plug a 147 in and vice-versa, even 
though they both use the 6-pin connection. Just don't. Always check when you get 
the opportunity to try other Leslies, or are borrowing or lending Hammond/Leslie 
stuff. 



 If the Leslie's lost it's labels there's an easy way to tell- A 122 amp has 2 
identical small valves (12AU7) at the front end and 1 volume pot, a 147/145 has 
just 1 12AU7, a volume control and a rotary switch for impedance matching (these 
amps were designed to be used with unbalanced signals, making them easier to use 
with non-Hammond organs.) 


Valve vs solid state...

solid state Leslies are cool. They're Leslies, and all Leslies are cool. 

Valve ones sound nicer. Transistor ones are handy for the motor stacks so don't 
be afraid of tatty cheap 760s once you get your 122/147/145.

You don't need a pre-amp pedal. You have a perfectly splendid valve preamp in 
the C3. Use the RCA jack on the 'conning tower' of the preamp (the AO-28) and 
you also have a valve Leslie preamp that you can run guitars into. ..that 
happens to be C3 shaped.

Also, benefiting as you do in the USA from lower mains voltage you get to switch 
at 110v instead of 240, so straight away your connection issues are simplified. 


  now, if you can get TWO 147s, or 122s... that's a sound to die for.

Best whooshes,

MSW






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To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
From: unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 09:59:46 +0900
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 
story....question or two....

  
The closest I ever got to this was buying an M3 (no tubes in it) for $5.00 at a 
Goodwill. They had it alongside other junky organs at the time.
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On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 10:02 PM, Jack Younger <e4103s@yahoo.com> wrote:

  
>
>
>Hello, All! 
>
>
>So, I tend to frequent a particular flea market in Northern Massachusetts every 
>Sunday and have found quite a few music-oriented things for short dough over the 
>years.  But this takes the cake.  Allow me to set the scene: 
>
>
>
>A producer friend of mine and I park the car and just as we are leaving the 
>field to where the vendors are (it's outdoors), I notice a bench to a C3.  I 
>make a joke about where the organ is and think nothing further on it.  We browse 
>around, pick up some small things, see some friends and its time to go so we 
>head back to the car.  My friend decides he likes the bench (he recently got a 
>CP70b and needs something to use with it) and the vendor gives it to him for 
>$25, a sweet deal in and of itself.  I quip "The organ is included in that 
>price, right?"  The guy says, "Well there IS an organ that goes with that, but 
>you'd have to talk to the woman who owns it."  They have no idea what model it 
>could be, "...but it's a Hammond".  We get her number and leave, excited by the 
>mystery.
>
>
>Later in the day, I call her out of curiosity.  Turns out, it was an estate item 
>that didn't sell and she says, "We were going to smash it up and toss it in the 
>dumpster. You can have it for the moving." !!!!  I ask for pictures and model 
>numbers. She sends them to my phone. Lo and behold...indeed, it's a C3! 
> Purchased in 1959, it has sat in their living room, lightly used since then. 
> Unfortunately, the tone cab was sold in the sale, but the organ remains. 
> Apparently, it needs only one tube to function, but its mint, so even if 
>there's more to be done, it's most certainly worth it.
>
>
>Long and short, I have movers grabbing it this week.  So psyched!  This will be 
>an amazing addition to the studio and a nice friend for my Mellotron and 
>recently purchased Rhodes 73 Suitcase.
>
>
>Now the questions for the B3/C3 folks out there....
>
>
>Obviously, I need a Leslie (which is why I'm not crying over the tone cab).  I'm 
>looking for a 122, 147, etc. and have a few local leads.  My query is this:
>
>
>Do any of you prefer a Trek pedal to the half-moon switch?  Tube or solid state? 
> Pros and cons?  There's a great tech here in MA that I'll have go through it, 
>but I'd like to avoid any expensive experimentation.  Any insight would be 
>helpful.
>
>
>Thanks, and Cheers!
>-Jack
>
>
>
>