Re: OT-NAMM 2011
2011-01-21 by Berington Van Campen
Hi kids! I met Frank Samagaio (MkII #134) on Friday at the Big City booth, and it was great fun to chatter over the two (real and “would-be”) Mellotron instruments (M400 & M4000D). It was worth a considered “Hmmm…” to note that the 4000D sports both Mellotron & Chamberlin logos on the back panel, as it offers sounds from both. I had to wonder myself, at the use of two trademarked names on an instrument not made by Streetly. My lovely, ultra-patient girlfriend sat back & took some pictures, before wandering off to look for other booths of interest. (Frank, thanks for sending your great photo – and signing my copy of your excellent “Mellotron Book!” I'm sorry I didn't get back to you - haven't been home & online very much. Got several to send you as well!) As Frank said, Roger, the owner of Big City Music, and apparently the M400, really never "demonstrated" ANYthing that I saw, and really didn't even seem to care much. A girl asked if I had ?s, but again, I knew (& cared) far more than she did - friendly enuf, but it was pretty much "help yourself." There was little to no active promotion of the Mellotron, aside from plenty of attractive Mk VI brochures scattered on top of them (w Markus Resch name printed on them?), and that they were placed at the outside corner of the booth where people definitely did see them. Generally people would play a few notes & walk on. 2 or 3 others, I think previous owners or aficionados, clearly had high interest as Frank & I spent some time comparing sounds and listening to the (yet to be, I think) 100 choices on the 4000D. The booth was primarily over-run by a fellow playing very loud, mostly non-musical sounds on a ribbon-controlled analog synth, non-stop the whole day, and that made serious listening (let alone thinking!) a bit challenging at times. (30 secs would've been plenty!) "M4000 D REVIEW" (for those who haven’t yet seen it!) - To my surprise, there was NO literature on the 4000D, so all the specs escape me. I must admit, my 1st impression, on playing the surprisingly scarred & beaten-up but well-functioning M400 (My bad - I forgot to note the s/n, I think it was in the "mid-teens" if I remember right, older than my #1485), then the 4000D (s/n 001 !), was that the 4000D didn't seem to have the brightness or "presence" of the 400. I took the liberty of finding the small mixer, and tweaked the EQs to bring them much closer together, though all sound was compromised by feeding into about a 6" speaker. It did take some heavy EQ to make the 4000D match up – the high end needed to be cranked on both instrument & mixer, but I got it pretty good. The 4000D wood cabinet was well-done, I’d have to say, very similar in esthetics to M400, and I agree that it seems far better crafted than the Memotron (I’ve only seen photos of that, tho’). Apparently, it also seems the 4000D offers much more, is much simpler to use, and the 2 displays also seem better. More on that in a moment. The action on the Roger’s battle-worn M400 was easy & smooth - nicely set up, with flute, 3 violins and 8 choir. On the 4000D, action was easy and light, and I could feel the weight of the (37!) wooden keys, so it had some of the feel of a 400, but of course, none of the “English,” to borrow a Pool term. Looking "under the (rear-hinged) hood" of the 4000D, (I DID, Frank Stickle, to answer your question!), it was interesting to find a similar basic aluminum keyboard frame and keys as a 400, but with no adjustment screws. Seemed "wrong" somehow, in an amusing way, but there’s obviously no need for 'em. The rest of the cabinet, maybe 5-6" deep, was completely empty! Obviously the main electronics are housed under the control panel, with connections on the rear panel for all the typical synth (but not 'Tron) functions. Nicely, they included 3 Line Outs - Bank A Direct, B Direct & Master Mix, in both 1/4" & +4 XLR formats; Phones; 4 Pedals: Volume, Sustain, & Expression 1 & 2 (not sure what parameters those might effect, perhaps separate volumes for A & B Direct outputs); MIDI, and a port for a "Special Format Expansion Card" to access 100 more sounds. The controls are the same as on the 400, (volume, tone, pitch, “Track” Selector for A, B or Mix, & power), with the addition of a full/half-speed switch, and 2 small Selector scrolling knobs for memory banks A & B, each with its own bright, clear LCD display. Pushing down on a Select knob switches between either the sound menu or activates and displays your highlighted choice, often also showing a photo of the instrument, as well. It’s nice too, that while playing, turning either Select knob brings back the associated menu, so you can pre-select your next sound, and have it come up instantly with the push of the Select knob. No pre-loading, as seems necessary with the Memotron. Pretty cool system, I’d have to admit. I didn’t see any form of “Keyboard Split” function, as you might get with customized tapes or a true synth, but I suppose you could achieve that through the separate A & B outputs if desired, with use of the full 37-note keyboard for both sounds. I DID appreciate that after 8 seconds, the sounds STOP. Kudos to keeping that unique “tron playing technique “honest!” Of course, a chief design difference between the two instruments, is that most of us would be very hard-pressed to pick up the M400 under one arm and throw it into even a small car. That, and the fact that the 4000D does well at quickly bringing a huge number of Mellotron sounds to your palette, does make it an attractive instrument, priced it would seem, in line with many other professional keyboards. Roger, the Big City owner, explained to me that the wild price increase (from $1800 to $2500 USD) is in keeping with the reduced value of the US dollar right now. Hmmm… I think some of you have already pegged another reason – simple supply & demand. You’ve also pegged some of the potential marketing problems or mistakes – drastically pre-release raising of pricing and supplying that demand. Time will tell, but I agree, Frank Stickle, these things will sell to those who love the sounds of Mellotrons. If there’s any interest, I can post some fairly detailed pictures, once I dump ‘em from my camera. All that being said, I ALSO agree with the “purists” here, though, that there’s nothing… nothing, like the traditional Mellotron full of tapes just dying to “play” with the player. The sound, the individuality of each instrument, the quirks… just the visual presence and panache of it, whether it be a 400, a Mk model, or anything else, really adds Magic to the use of our beloved instrument, particularly in a concert or studio-session use. Long live it, and you all at Streetly, as well! Couldn’t agree more with your comment to Martin, Frank, “You make Mellotrons… and damn good ones.” Gotta run. I’ve been long enuf. Hope y’all found it of some worth. Cheers! Berington Berington Van Campen Van Campen Productions / V.C.MusiCorp / BEATUNES Beatles Tribute VCMusiCorp1@yahoo.com (626) 458-4474 Home/Office www.myspace.com/berington www.facebook.com/berington www.myspace.com/VCMusiCorpScoring --- On Thu, 1/20/11, newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Digest Number 1115 To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 3:42 PM New Mellotron Group Messages In This Digest (25 Messages) 1a. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 From: Charles 1b. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 From: mettalliccasucks 1c. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 From: mainpsych 1d. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 From: lsf5275@aol.com 1e. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 From: lsf5275@aol.com 1f. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 From: Bruce Daily 1g. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 From: lsf5275@aol.com 1h. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 From: Thomas C. Doncourt 1i. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 From: lsf5275@aol.com 1j. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 From: Charles 1k. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 From: tronbros 1l. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 From: John Wright 1m. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 From: lsf5275@aol.com 1n. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 From: lsf5275@aol.com 1o. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 From: tronbros 1p. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 From: lsf5275@aol.com 1q. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 From: Tony 1r. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 From: Bruce Daily 1s. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 From: tronbros 1t. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 From: mattias 1u. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 From: mattias 1v. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 From: tronbros 1w. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 From: tronbros 1x. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 From: mattias 1y. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 From: mattias View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1a. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 Posted by: "Charles" charel196@yahoo.com charel196 Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:58 am (PST) it was there at the Big City Music booth (there's a Youtube video) but in the video it wasn't turned on. --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, "johnm400s911" <john.wright@ ...> wrote: > > Just wondering, now that NAMM 2011 is over, any list members attend? Was the M4000D there and demonstrated? > > Best, > John > #911 > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) 1b. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 Posted by: "mettalliccasucks" mickey___mouse___@hotmail.com mettalliccasucks Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:14 am (PST) http://www.youtube. com/user/ ThePurityControl #p/u/0/-z9XG1m8R co > > > > Just wondering, now that NAMM 2011 is over, any list members attend? Was the M4000D there and demonstrated? > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) 1c. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 Posted by: "mainpsych" MAinPsych@aol.com mainpsych Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:45 am (PST) Yeah, the 4000D was there, but Markus wasn't. Someone from Big City Music was trying to demo it (along with his 400), but I seemed to know more about it than he did -- and he wasn't around the booth a lot, at least when I stopped by at various times during 2 days at the show. Frank MkII #134 (ex-Moodies) In a message dated 01/20/11 05:00:36 Pacific Standard Time, john.wright@ consona.com writes: Just wondering, now that NAMM 2011 is over, any list members attend? Was the M4000D there and demonstrated? Best, John #911 Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) 1d. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 Posted by: "lsf5275@aol.com" lsf5275@aol.com hogvbr8r Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:51 am (PST) What an asshole! Mickey, I hope that wasn't you. In a message dated 1/20/2011 11:42:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mickey___mouse_ __@hotmail. com writes: _http://www.youtube. com/user/ ThePurityControl #p/u/0/-z9XG1m8R co_ (http://www.youtube. com/user/ ThePurityControl #p/u/0/-z9XG1m8R co) > > > > Just wondering, now that NAMM 2011 is over, any list members attend? Was the M4000D there and demonstrated? > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) 1e. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 Posted by: "lsf5275@aol.com" lsf5275@aol.com hogvbr8r Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:53 am (PST) How does it look up close, Frank? Did you get to see inside the lid or examine it.. wiggle the keys or pick it up and shake it? In a message dated 1/20/2011 11:46:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, MAinPsych@aol. com writes: Yeah, the 4000D was there, but Markus wasn't. Someone from Big City Music was trying to demo it (along with his 400), but I seemed to know more about it than he did -- and he wasn't around the booth a lot, at least when I stopped by at various times during 2 days at the show. Frank MkII #134 (ex-Moodies) In a message dated 01/20/11 05:00:36 Pacific Standard Time, john.wright@ consona.com writes: Just wondering, now that NAMM 2011 is over, any list members attend? Was the M4000D there and demonstrated? Best, John #911 Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) 1f. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 Posted by: "Bruce Daily" pocotron@yahoo.com pocotron Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:10 am (PST) Stupid youthful humor. I bet his favorite sound is the moog fart. -Bruce D. --- On Thu, 1/20/11, lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com> wrote: From: lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT- NAMM 2011 To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 10:50 AM What an asshole! Mickey, I hope that wasn't you. In a message dated 1/20/2011 11:42:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mickey___mouse_ __@hotmail. com writes: http://www.youtube. com/user/ ThePurityControl #p/u/0/-z9XG1m8R co > > > > Just wondering, now that NAMM 2011 is over, any list members attend? Was the M4000D there and demonstrated? > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) 1g. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 Posted by: "lsf5275@aol.com" lsf5275@aol.com hogvbr8r Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:13 am (PST) Ahhh yes, the fart sound. Always an ice breaker at any occassion. In a message dated 1/20/2011 2:10:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, pocotron@yahoo. com writes: Stupid youthful humor. I bet his favorite sound is the moog fart. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) 1h. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 Posted by: "Thomas C. Doncourt" tomdcour@amnh.org tomdcour Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:55 am (PST) Here are all the fart sounds anyone could need http://umbla. com/free- games-play- online-flash- 225.php > Ahhh yes, the fart sound. Always an ice breaker at any occassion. > > > In a message dated 1/20/2011 2:10:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > pocotron@yahoo. com writes: > > Stupid youthful humor. I bet his favorite sound is the moog fart. > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) 1i. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 Posted by: "lsf5275@aol.com" lsf5275@aol.com hogvbr8r Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:38 pm (PST) Oh Goddd!!!!! hours of fun ahead. In a message dated 1/20/2011 2:55:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tomdcour@amnh. org writes: Here are all the fart sounds anyone could need _http://umbla. com/free- games-play- online-flash- 225.php_ (http://umbla. com/free- games-play- online-flash- 225.php) > Ahhh yes, the fart sound. Always an ice breaker at any occassion. > > > In a message dated 1/20/2011 2:10:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > _pocotron@yahoo. com_ (mailto:pocotron@yahoo. com) writes: > > Stupid youthful humor. I bet his favorite sound is the moog fart. > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) 1j. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 Posted by: "Charles" charel196@yahoo.com charel196 Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:52 pm (PST) so the M4000D has gone from $1995 to $2495....what can justify this price jump in such a short time frame? http://bigcitymusic .com/index. php?main_ page=product_ info&cPath= 1_22&products_ id=55&zenid= 7252d571297281dd 296d71b55b232631 --- In newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com, lsf5275@... wrote: > > Oh Goddd!!!!! hours of fun ahead. > > > In a message dated 1/20/2011 2:55:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > tomdcour@... writes: > > > > > Here are all the fart sounds anyone could need > > _http://umbla. com/free- games-play- online-flash- 225.php_ > (http://umbla. com/free- games-play- online-flash- 225.php) > > > > > Ahhh yes, the fart sound. Always an ice breaker at any occassion. > > > > > > In a message dated 1/20/2011 2:10:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > _pocotron@.. ._ (mailto:pocotron@ ...) writes: > > > > Stupid youthful humor. I bet his favorite sound is the moog fart. > > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) 1k. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 Posted by: "tronbros" tronbros@aol.com viletony Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:16 pm (PST) Cock up on the abacus front. Now only 200US below the Memotron. Justice for the arrogance of calling it the M4000D! M mellotronics. co.uk On 20 Jan 2011, at 20:52, "Charles" <charel196@yahoo. com> wrote: > so the M4000D has gone from $1995 to $2495....what can justify this price jump in such a short time frame? Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) 1l. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 Posted by: "John Wright" john.wright@consona.com johnm400s911 Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:21 pm (PST) I thought the US$500.00 increase was royalty payments to the UK for use of the name. 8-) ____________ _________ _________ __ From: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of tronbros Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 5:17 PM To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT- NAMM 2011 Cock up on the abacus front. Now only 200US below the Memotron. Justice for the arrogance of calling it the M4000D! M mellotronics. co.uk On 20 Jan 2011, at 20:52, "Charles" <charel196@yahoo. com <mailto:charel196% 40yahoo.com> > wrote: > so the M4000D has gone from $1995 to $2495....what can justify this price jump in such a short time frame? Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) 1m. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 Posted by: "lsf5275@aol.com" lsf5275@aol.com hogvbr8r Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:28 pm (PST) More orders than Markus can fill. In a word... Interest. In a message dated 1/20/2011 3:52:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, charel196@yahoo. com writes: so the M4000D has gone from $1995 to $2495....what can justify this price jump in such a short time frame? Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) 1n. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 Posted by: "lsf5275@aol.com" lsf5275@aol.com hogvbr8r Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:38 pm (PST) With all respect, Martin, until you can put them side by side and compare them it would be hard to dispute that Markus' digital machine is better than the Memotron. I know people who have played both and that's what I'm told. I certainly understand your bitterness, but in it you lose objectivity. The facts seem to support the likelihood that it was under priced when compared to the Memotron, which I feel is ridiculously overpriced. But people are lining up to buy them. If they weren't, the price wouldn't have gone up. The buzz I am hearing is, "... here is a Mellotron that I can afford." I believe that Markus will sell a bunch of these machines, no matter what he named it. In 6 months he'll probably sell more of them than all the real Mellotrons Streetly could ever make. Sad but true if you're a purist. Regardless of whether or not he uses, "M400D Mellotron,' it just isn't a Mellotron. You make Mellotrons.. . and damn good ones. Frank The key for Markus is going to be to deliver them. You Tube will let us know. In my opinion they look far cooler and less cheesy than the Memotron. In a message dated 1/20/2011 5:16:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tronbros@aol. com writes: Cock up on the abacus front. Now only 200US below the Memotron. Justice for the arrogance of calling it the M4000D! Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) 1o. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 Posted by: "tronbros" tronbros@aol.com viletony Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:05 pm (PST) I agree, it's not a mellotron and I/we aren't bothered about the product just like Steinway don't care about an Alesis piano module. Raising the price prior to liberating a product into the marketplace is clumsy and flawed. It raises questions. Best, M mellotronics. co.uk On 20 Jan 2011, at 22:37, lsf5275@aol. com wrote: > With all respect, Martin, until you can put them side by side and compare them it would be hard to dispute that Markus' digital machine is better than the Memotron. I know people who have played both and that's what I'm told. I certainly understand your bitterness, but in it you lose objectivity. The facts seem to support the likelihood that it was under priced when compared to the Memotron, which I feel is ridiculously overpriced. But people are lining up to buy them. If they weren't, the price wouldn't have gone up. The buzz I am hearing is, "... here is a Mellotron that I can afford." I believe that Markus will sell a bunch of these machines, no matter what he named it. In 6 months he'll probably sell more of them than all the real Mellotrons Streetly could ever make. Sad but true if you're a purist. Regardless of whether or not he uses, "M400D Mellotron,' it just isn't a Mellotron. You make Mellotrons.. . and damn good ones. > > Frank > > The key for Markus is going to be to deliver them. You Tube will let us know. In my opinion they look far cooler and less cheesy than the Memotron. > > In a message dated 1/20/2011 5:16:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tronbros@aol. com writes: > Cock up on the abacus front. Now only 200US below the Memotron. Justice for the arrogance of calling it the M4000D! > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) 1p. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 Posted by: "lsf5275@aol.com" lsf5275@aol.com hogvbr8r Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:12 pm (PST) Look who's up late! Perhaps it's Big City Music that is capitalizing on the interest, not Markus. I wonder. Maybe ordering directly from him is less costly. In a message dated 1/20/2011 6:05:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tronbros@aol. com writes: I agree, it's not a mellotron and I/we aren't bothered about the product just like Steinway don't care about an Alesis piano module. Raising the price prior to liberating a product into the marketplace is clumsy and flawed. It raises questions. Best, M Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) 1q. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 Posted by: "Tony" atm655@verizon.net tronmanatm Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:12 pm (PST) I wouldn't own one. Digital control is fine, but for sound generation, count me out. Besides I'm a loyal Streetly fan! Tony #510 and 2 more Black Beasts ordered :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: lsf5275@aol. com To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT- NAMM 2011 With all respect, Martin, until you can put them side by side and compare them it would be hard to dispute that Markus' digital machine is better than the Memotron. I know people who have played both and that's what I'm told. I certainly understand your bitterness, but in it you lose objectivity. The facts seem to support the likelihood that it was under priced when compared to the Memotron, which I feel is ridiculously overpriced. But people are lining up to buy them. If they weren't, the price wouldn't have gone up. The buzz I am hearing is, "... here is a Mellotron that I can afford." I believe that Markus will sell a bunch of these machines, no matter what he named it. In 6 months he'll probably sell more of them than all the real Mellotrons Streetly could ever make. Sad but true if you're a purist. Regardless of whether or not he uses, "M400D Mellotron,' it just isn't a Mellotron. You make Mellotrons.. . and damn good ones. Frank The key for Markus is going to be to deliver them. You Tube will let us know. In my opinion they look far cooler and less cheesy than the Memotron. In a message dated 1/20/2011 5:16:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tronbros@aol. com writes: Cock up on the abacus front. Now only 200US below the Memotron. Justice for the arrogance of calling it the M4000D! Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) 1r. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 Posted by: "Bruce Daily" pocotron@yahoo.com pocotron Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:14 pm (PST) And, they're polyphonic farts! Just click on several, and they will quickly get backed up. Painful! Such clever inernet-types! -Dr Flateu le Petomaine --- On Thu, 1/20/11, lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com> wrote: From: lsf5275@aol. com <lsf5275@aol. com> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT- NAMM 2011 To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 1:37 PM Oh Goddd!!!!! hours of fun ahead. In a message dated 1/20/2011 2:55:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tomdcour@amnh. org writes: Here are all the fart sounds anyone could need http://umbla. com/free- games-play- online-flash- 225.php > Ahhh yes, the fart sound. Always an ice breaker at any occassion. > > > In a message dated 1/20/2011 2:10:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > pocotron@yahoo. com writes: > > Stupid youthful humor. I bet his favorite sound is the moog fart. > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) 1s. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 Posted by: "tronbros" tronbros@aol.com viletony Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:24 pm (PST) But where does that leave his distributors? If he can undermine their margin by direct transaction, the results are obvious. A commercial disaster. Arse, M mellotronics. co.uk On 20 Jan 2011, at 23:12, lsf5275@aol. com wrote: > Maybe ordering directly from him is less costly. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) 1t. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 Posted by: "mattias" Mattias.olsson5@comhem.se Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:28 pm (PST) Ha ha ! Great Comment ! Because Streetly owns the right to the name Mellotron right ? Den 2011-01-20 23.22, skrev "John Wright" <john.wright@ consona.com>: > > > > > > I thought the US$500.00 increase was royalty payments to the UK for use of the > name. > > 8-) > >> >> >> >> From: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com >> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of tronbros >> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 5:17 PM >> To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com >> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT- NAMM 2011 >> >> >> >> >> >> Cock up on the abacus front. Now only 200US below the Memotron. Justice for >> the arrogance of calling it the M4000D! >> >> M >> >> mellotronics. co.uk >> >> On 20 Jan 2011, at 20:52, "Charles" <charel196@yahoo. com >> <mailto:charel196% 40yahoo.com> > wrote: >> >>> > so the M4000D has gone from $1995 to $2495....what can justify this price >>> jump in such a short time frame? >> >> >> >>>> Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) 1u. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 Posted by: "mattias" Mattias.olsson5@comhem.se Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:30 pm (PST) Digital control is fine, but for sound generation, count me out. ...and for international touring ? Den 2011-01-21 00.12, skrev "Tony" <atm655@verizon. net>: > > > > > > I wouldn't own one. > Digital control is fine, but for sound generation, count me out. > Besides I'm a loyal Streetly fan! > > Tony > #510 and 2 more Black Beasts ordered :-) > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: lsf5275@aol. com >> >> To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com >> >> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 5:37 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT- NAMM 2011 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> With all respect, Martin, until you can put them side by side and compare >> them it would be hard to dispute that Markus' digital machine is better than >> the Memotron. I know people who have played both and that's what I'm told. I >> certainly understand your bitterness, but in it you lose objectivity. The >> facts seem to support the likelihood that it was under priced when compared >> to the Memotron, which I feel is ridiculously overpriced. But people are >> lining up to buy them. If they weren't, the price wouldn't have gone up. The >> buzz I am hearing is, "... here is a Mellotron that I can afford." I believe >> that Markus will sell a bunch of these machines, no matter what he named it. >> In 6 months he'll probably sell more of them than all the real Mellotrons >> Streetly could ever make. Sad but true if you're a purist. Regardless of >> whether or not he uses, "M400D Mellotron,' it just isn't a Mellotron. You >> make Mellotrons.. . and damn good ones. >> >> >> >> Frank >> >> >> >> The key for Markus is going to be to deliver them. You Tube will let us >> know. In my opinion they look far cooler and less cheesy than the Memotron. >> >> >> >> >> In a message dated 1/20/2011 5:16:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> tronbros@aol. com writes: >> >>> Cock up on the abacus front. Now only 200US below the Memotron. Justice for >>> the arrogance of calling it the M4000D! >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) 1v. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 Posted by: "tronbros" tronbros@aol.com viletony Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:33 pm (PST) Matthias, the ownership of the much celebrated, often emulated but never copied Mellotron trademark has never, ever had a bearing on anything. Most people remember Streetly first. And it cost nothing to get and costs nothing to uphold. M mellotronics. co.uk On 20 Jan 2011, at 23:28, mattias <Mattias.olsson5@ comhem.se> wrote: > Ha ha ! Great Comment ! > > Because Streetly owns the right to the name Mellotron right ? > > > > > Den 2011-01-20 23.22, skrev "John Wright" <john.wright@ consona.com>: > > > > > > > > I thought the US$500.00 increase was royalty payments to the UK for use of the name. > > 8-) > > > > From: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of tronbros > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 5:17 PM > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT- NAMM 2011 > > > > > > Cock up on the abacus front. Now only 200US below the Memotron. Justice for the arrogance of calling it the M4000D! > > M > > mellotronics. co.uk > > On 20 Jan 2011, at 20:52, "Charles" <charel196@yahoo. com <mailto:charel196% 40yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > so the M4000D has gone from $1995 to $2495....what can justify this price jump in such a short time frame? > > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) 1w. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 Posted by: "tronbros" tronbros@aol.com viletony Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:37 pm (PST) Sorry about the extra H. M mellotronics. co.uk On 20 Jan 2011, at 23:29, mattias <Mattias.olsson5@ comhem.se> wrote: > Digital control is fine, but for sound generation, count me out. > > ...and for international touring ? > > > Den 2011-01-21 00.12, skrev "Tony" <atm655@verizon. net>: > > > > > > > > I wouldn't own one. > Digital control is fine, but for sound generation, count me out. > Besides I'm a loyal Streetly fan! > > Tony > #510 and 2 more Black Beasts ordered :-) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: lsf5275@aol. com > > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 5:37 PM > > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT- NAMM 2011 > > > > > > > With all respect, Martin, until you can put them side by side and compare them it would be hard to dispute that Markus' digital machine is better than the Memotron. I know people who have played both and that's what I'm told. I certainly understand your bitterness, but in it you lose objectivity. The facts seem to support the likelihood that it was under priced when compared to the Memotron, which I feel is ridiculously overpriced. But people are lining up to buy them. If they weren't, the price wouldn't have gone up. The buzz I am hearing is, "... here is a Mellotron that I can afford." I believe that Markus will sell a bunch of these machines, no matter what he named it. In 6 months he'll probably sell more of them than all the real Mellotrons Streetly could ever make. Sad but true if you're a purist. Regardless of whether or not he uses, "M400D Mellotron,' it just isn't a Mellotron. You make M ellotrons... and damn good ones. > > > > Frank > > > > The key for Markus is going to be to deliver them. You Tube will let us know. In my opinion they look far cooler and less cheesy than the Memotron. > > > > > In a message dated 1/20/2011 5:16:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tronbros@aol. com writes: > > Cock up on the abacus front. Now only 200US below the Memotron. Justice for the arrogance of calling it the M4000D! > > > > > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) 1x. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 Posted by: "mattias" Mattias.olsson5@comhem.se Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:41 pm (PST) As far as I know..The first batch is sold out and there is a waiting list for the next one. Probably because it is clumsy and flawed, as a product and how it is marketed. Markus will always be second best to you guys...we all know that on this list, so stop complaining. You have the best product out there. Markus will never ever take a customer from you. Probably never have. What is the problem ? // Mattias Den 2011-01-21 00.05, skrev "tronbros" <tronbros@aol. com>: > > > > > > I agree, it's not a mellotron and I/we aren't bothered about the product just > like Steinway don't care about an Alesis piano module. Raising the price > prior to liberating a product into the marketplace is clumsy and flawed. It > raises questions. > > Best, > > M > > mellotronics. co.uk <http://mellotronics .co.uk> > > > > On 20 Jan 2011, at 22:37, lsf5275@aol. com wrote: > >> >> >> >> With all respect, Martin, until you can put them side by side and compare >> them it would be hard to dispute that Markus' digital machine is better than >> the Memotron. I know people who have played both and that's what I'm told. I >> certainly understand your bitterness, but in it you lose objectivity. The >> facts seem to support the likelihood that it was under priced when compared >> to the Memotron, which I feel is ridiculously overpriced. But people are >> lining up to buy them. If they weren't, the price wouldn't have gone up. The >> buzz I am hearing is, "... here is a Mellotron that I can afford." I believe >> that Markus will sell a bunch of these machines, no matter what he named it. >> In 6 months he'll probably sell more of them than all the real Mellotrons >> Streetly could ever make. Sad but true if you're a purist. Regardless of >> whether or not he uses, "M400D Mellotron,' it just isn't a Mellotron. You >> make Mellotrons.. . and damn good ones. >> >> Frank >> >> The key for Markus is going to be to deliver them. You Tube will let us know. >> In my opinion they look far cooler and less cheesy than the Memotron. >> >> In a message dated 1/20/2011 5:16:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> tronbros@aol. com writes: >>> Cock up on the abacus front. Now only 200US below the Memotron. Justice for >>> the arrogance of calling it the M4000D! >>> >> >> >> > > > >>> Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) 1y. Re: OT- NAMM 2011 Posted by: "mattias" Mattias.olsson5@comhem.se Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:42 pm (PST) But who owns the right to the name Mellotron ? Den 2011-01-21 00.33, skrev "tronbros" <tronbros@aol. com>: > > > > > > Matthias, the ownership of the much celebrated, often emulated but never > copied Mellotron trademark has never, ever had a bearing on anything. Most > people remember Streetly first. And it cost nothing to get and costs nothing > to uphold. > > M > > mellotronics. co.uk <http://mellotronics .co.uk> > > > > On 20 Jan 2011, at 23:28, mattias <Mattias.olsson5@ comhem.se> wrote: > >> >> >> >> Ha ha ! Great Comment ! >> >> Because Streetly owns the right to the name Mellotron right ? >> >> >> >> >> Den 2011-01-20 23.22, skrev "John Wright" <john.wright@ consona.com>: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I thought the US$500.00 increase was royalty payments to the UK for use of >>> the name. >>> >>> 8-) >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com >>>> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of tronbros >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 5:17 PM >>>> To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com >>>> <mailto:newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com> >>>> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: OT- NAMM 2011 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Cock up on the abacus front. Now only 200US below the Memotron. Justice for >>>> the arrogance of calling it the M4000D! >>>> >>>> M >>>> >>>> mellotronics. co.uk <http://mellotronics .co.uk> <http://mellotronics .co.uk> >>>> >>>> On 20 Jan 2011, at 20:52, "Charles" <charel196@yahoo. com >>>> <mailto:charel196% 40yahoo.com> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> > so the M4000D has gone from $1995 to $2495....what can justify this >>>>> price jump in such a short time frame? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (26) Recent Activity Visit Your Group Give Back Yahoo! for Good Get inspired by a good cause. Y! Toolbar Get it Free! easy 1-click access to your groups. Yahoo! Groups Start a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. Need to Reply? Click one of the "Reply" links to respond to a specific message in the Daily Digest. 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