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Call me crazy, BUT

Call me crazy, BUT

1999-07-08 by J. Larry Hendry

OK, I have been thinking (a dangerous thing for Larry of the 3 stooges)
about the ultimate configuration for my MOTM set up. I have been toying
with case designs and thinking about multiples and such. And, I have been
thinking about the one thing that I guess many modular users think about
and that is all those cables hanging out there on the front between me and
all those great knobs I want to twist and tweak.

Well, one of the things I have heard others mention is some normalizing to
reduce cables. But, as neat as that may be, it runs against my general
wishes since I have plenty of synths that are "normal." I plan to connect
my MOTM stuff in all the abnormal ways I can think of.

On Synth-DIY, I have seen a variety of panel layouts where guys have
attempted to place all patching in areas away from knobs and such. But, I
don't like that as you have to struggle to figure out what jack is with
what module. I really like the layout of MOTM with the jacks all on the
bottom of the panel and knobs and switches above ( along with other great
things I like about MOTM). If one's entire MOTM set up included only a few
modules in a single row, the patch cables would always be at the bottom out
of the way. Of course, once you have more than one row (whether rack or
case) then you are back to cables stretched across the tweaking area.

Now, here is where my warped idea comes into play. I am throwing this out
not to suggest "my perfect plan." But, rather to get some feedback on:
1 - what others might like or dislike about the concept
2 - any and all suggestions for improvement
3 - what plans others might have that are different / better

Here's my thought. Instead of making my multiples in MOTM rack space
units, make them on 19" blank rack panels. I have some that I bought
(about $7 each) that have a nice black finish with the splattered look of
Paul's panels (not as nice of course) and have the top and bottom edges
rolled back for strength so there is NO flex like some of the 19" blank
panels that are just flat stock. The number of jacks and combinations
could be whatever each thinks is right for their system. My plan was not
to group the multiples, but to distribute them. Like this:

Below each row of MOTM panels is a one rack space panel with nothing but
1/4" Switchcraft jacks. The drilling and spacing is made to match the ones
on the MOTM panels above. So, you could have as many as 40 jacks on that
panel. Multiple # 1 could have a jack in each of the 5 double MOTM
positions across the panel. You could have as many as 8 multiples like
this on a 19" panel. However, this panel would be wired with coax to the
every other 19" rack panel. So, Multiple # 1 would have appearances on
every 19" panel in the system below each row of modules. Multiple # 2
would be the same and so on. The number of jacks per multiple could be
varied by user needs and desires. BUT, every multiple number would appear
on every 19" panel at least once.

So, instead of patching module # A on row # 3 across two rows to module B
on row # 1 with a long cable, module # A would connect to multiple # 1
directly below it and module # B would connect to multiple # 1 also on the
19" panel row directly below it. Two cables would be used. BUT, all
cables in such a set up would be shorter and none would stretch across the
"land-o-knobs-and-switches." Now, this set up would not eliminate direct
module to module connections. I plan to arrange my modules to facilitate
some of that (you know, an EG right next to the VCA and one next to the
VCFs). However, it would eliminate long cross country cables.

This same 19" panel with the multiples could have those connections from
other rack gear that is on the back you want moved to the front. For
example, many of you may plan to have MIDI 2 CV converters or rack mount
effects with rear jacks you want patched to the front. And, if necessary,
these 1-space 19" panels can have XLR connectors or switches mounted. I
have one in my studio with XLRs (drilling the holes was a bitch for that
BTW).

OK, I think that is enough to get the idea across. Now, lets hear from
some others (especially Curley and Moe). Throw tomatoes if you like, but
keep those fingers to yourself (Moe).

Later,
Larry Hendry

Re: Call me crazy, BUT

1999-07-08 by Paul Schreiber

A quick scan of Larry's idea:

I think he is emulating the Cherry slider switches on ARP2500's to some
extent.

Also, several have asked about big cases. After the '320 ships, I will work
hard on this. I am not ignoring emails I receive, just saving them for
later.

When I get rich and famous, I can have 10 employees I can beat on so I can
get to do only the fun stuff.

What I plan to do is have a set of PDF files for cabinets that you can print
out
and then hand to your favorite cabinet-maker/carperter and then have it
built
locally. I think shipping these is a nightmare. JUST the custom boxes to
ship
such a Moog 55 type cabinet is like $80 a set.

Paul S.

Re: Call me crazy, BUT

1999-07-08 by J. Larry Hendry

> Also, several have asked about big cases. After the
> '320 ships, I will work hard on this. I am not ignoring
> emails I receive, just saving them for later.
>
> When I get rich and famous, I can have 10 employees
> I can beat on so I can get to do only the fun stuff.
>
> What I plan to do is have a set of PDF files for cabinets
> that you can print out and then hand to your favorite
> cabinet-maker/carperter and then have it built locally.
> I think shipping these is a nightmare. JUST the custom
> boxes to ship such a Moog 55 type cabinet is like $80 a set.
>
> Paul S.

Paul,
I think the idea that our local woodwork specialist would make the
cabinets is a good idea. Do you think it might be workable to have your
metal guy do rails and such?

Larry

Re: Call me crazy, BUT

1999-07-08 by Tentochi

I like having the idea of having a 19" 1U mult in the MOTM style. I have a
patch bay in my pop-up SKB, but that is more for pass throughs. That would
have me some MOTM acreage and be conveniently located. I have told Paul a
couple of times that several passthroughs on the mult (or somewhere)would be
a great advantage to me--especially for MID-to-CV and effects. Is anyone
else out there using the SKB pop-up yet (which the MOTM was designed for)?

When I am ready to use my third set of rails, I may purchase the 5U SKB
which isn't like their regular cases. They also have a 3U in the same
style. They are cheaper than SKB's regular case, have a different forming
process, are shallower, and have a different handle configuration.

Has anyone reverse mounted their PSU yet? Some of the SKBs come with rack
mount rails on both the front and back of the cases. Mounting the PSU on
the back is a great idea for me freeing up 3 MOTM spaces! Suggestions?
Experiences? Perhaps I have to do a custom job mounting the PSU...

Love my '420s!

Ciao!
Todd

> -----Original Message-----
> From: J. Larry Hendry [mailto:jlarryh@...]
> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 12:37 AM
> To: motm@onelist.com
> Subject: [motm] Call me crazy, BUT
>
>
> From: "J. Larry Hendry" <jlarryh@...>
>
> OK, I have been thinking (a dangerous thing for Larry of the 3 stooges)
> about the ultimate configuration for my MOTM set up. I have been toying
> with case designs and thinking about multiples and such. And, I have been
> thinking about the one thing that I guess many modular users think about
> and that is all those cables hanging out there on the front between me and
> all those great knobs I want to twist and tweak.
>
> Well, one of the things I have heard others mention is some normalizing to
> reduce cables. But, as neat as that may be, it runs against my general
> wishes since I have plenty of synths that are "normal." I plan to connect
> my MOTM stuff in all the abnormal ways I can think of.
>
> On Synth-DIY, I have seen a variety of panel layouts where guys have
> attempted to place all patching in areas away from knobs and such. But, I
> don't like that as you have to struggle to figure out what jack is with
> what module. I really like the layout of MOTM with the jacks all on the
> bottom of the panel and knobs and switches above ( along with other great
> things I like about MOTM). If one's entire MOTM set up included
> only a few
> modules in a single row, the patch cables would always be at the
> bottom out
> of the way. Of course, once you have more than one row (whether rack or
> case) then you are back to cables stretched across the tweaking area.
>
> Now, here is where my warped idea comes into play. I am throwing this out
> not to suggest "my perfect plan." But, rather to get some feedback on:
> 1 - what others might like or dislike about the concept
> 2 - any and all suggestions for improvement
> 3 - what plans others might have that are different / better
>
> Here's my thought. Instead of making my multiples in MOTM rack space
> units, make them on 19" blank rack panels. I have some that I bought
> (about $7 each) that have a nice black finish with the splattered look of
> Paul's panels (not as nice of course) and have the top and bottom edges
> rolled back for strength so there is NO flex like some of the 19" blank
> panels that are just flat stock. The number of jacks and combinations
> could be whatever each thinks is right for their system. My plan was not
> to group the multiples, but to distribute them. Like this:
>
> Below each row of MOTM panels is a one rack space panel with nothing but
> 1/4" Switchcraft jacks. The drilling and spacing is made to
> match the ones
> on the MOTM panels above. So, you could have as many as 40 jacks on that
> panel. Multiple # 1 could have a jack in each of the 5 double MOTM
> positions across the panel. You could have as many as 8 multiples like
> this on a 19" panel. However, this panel would be wired with coax to the
> every other 19" rack panel. So, Multiple # 1 would have appearances on
> every 19" panel in the system below each row of modules. Multiple # 2
> would be the same and so on. The number of jacks per multiple could be
> varied by user needs and desires. BUT, every multiple number would appear
> on every 19" panel at least once.
>
> So, instead of patching module # A on row # 3 across two rows to module B
> on row # 1 with a long cable, module # A would connect to multiple # 1
> directly below it and module # B would connect to multiple # 1 also on the
> 19" panel row directly below it. Two cables would be used. BUT, all
> cables in such a set up would be shorter and none would stretch across the
> "land-o-knobs-and-switches." Now, this set up would not eliminate direct
> module to module connections. I plan to arrange my modules to facilitate
> some of that (you know, an EG right next to the VCA and one next to the
> VCFs). However, it would eliminate long cross country cables.
>
> This same 19" panel with the multiples could have those connections from
> other rack gear that is on the back you want moved to the front. For
> example, many of you may plan to have MIDI 2 CV converters or rack mount
> effects with rear jacks you want patched to the front. And, if necessary,
> these 1-space 19" panels can have XLR connectors or switches mounted. I
> have one in my studio with XLRs (drilling the holes was a bitch for that
> BTW).
>
> OK, I think that is enough to get the idea across. Now, lets hear from
> some others (especially Curley and Moe). Throw tomatoes if you like, but
> keep those fingers to yourself (Moe).
>
> Later,
> Larry Hendry
>
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Re: Call me crazy, BUT

1999-07-09 by improv@xxxx.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)

>From: "Tentochi" <tentochi@...>
>Has anyone reverse mounted their PSU yet? Some of the SKBs come with rack
>mount rails on both the front and back of the cases. Mounting the PSU on
>the back is a great idea for me freeing up 3 MOTM spaces! Suggestions?
>Experiences? Perhaps I have to do a custom job mounting the PSU...

I had woodworker friend build me a 20-space rack out of nice-looking 3/4"
plywood, then mounted 8-spaces of rack rails in the back. I mounted the
MOTM supply in back, the rest of the modules across the front. Currently
the rack holds a MAQ, 6 spaces of Doepfer modules and 2 spans of MOTM. The
420's I have on order will fill the rest of the blank spaces in the rack,
after that I have to figure out something else.
>
>Love my '420s!
>
Paul told me mine'll come next week, can't hardly wait.

BTW, I have my first gig with the MOTM stuff on monday, a free-improvised
ambient/acid jazz/illbient type of trio thing with a bassist, a drummer who
doubles on turntables, and myself on rhodes, nord lead, modular and
effects. Anybody else playing out with their MOTM?

________________________________________________________
Dave Trenkel : improv@... : www.peak.org/~improv/

"...there will come a day when you won't have to use
gasoline. You'd simply take a cassette and put it in
your car, let it run. You'd have to have the proper
type of music. Like you take two sticks, put 'em
together, make fire. You take some notes and rub 'em
together - dum, dum, dum, dum - fire, cosmic fire."
-Sun Ra
________________________________________________________

Re: Call me crazy, BUT

1999-07-09 by Tentochi

I will be performing live at a monthly event entitled Firexit in Columbus,
OH, in August. Will be performing live at Dreamfest in Southern, IL,
September I believe. We will also be performing with the MOTM in tow at
Mental the end of July.

Some people are content to leave their equipment sit around in their studios
and gather dust. Not I.

--Todd (of Tentochi)

> From: Dave Trenkel [mailto:improv@...]
> BTW, I have my first gig with the MOTM stuff on monday, a free-improvised
> ambient/acid jazz/illbient type of trio thing with a bassist, a
> drummer who
> doubles on turntables, and myself on rhodes, nord lead, modular and
> effects. Anybody else playing out with their MOTM?

Re: Call me crazy, BUT

1999-07-09 by J. Larry Hendry

Ohio, Illinois? Where do you call home Todd? In between is Indiana (where
I reside).
Larry H

----------
> From: Tentochi <tentochi@...>
> To: motm@onelist.com
> Subject: Re: [motm] Call me crazy, BUT
> Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 11:30 PM
>
> From: "Tentochi" <tentochi@...>
>
> I will be performing live at a monthly event entitled Firexit in
Columbus,
> OH, in August. Will be performing live at Dreamfest in Southern, IL,
> September I believe. We will also be performing with the MOTM in tow at
> Mental the end of July.
>
> Some people are content to leave their equipment sit around in their
studios
> and gather dust. Not I.
>
> --Todd (of Tentochi)
>
> > From: Dave Trenkel [mailto:improv@...]
> > BTW, I have my first gig with the MOTM stuff on monday, a
free-improvised
> > ambient/acid jazz/illbient type of trio thing with a bassist, a
> > drummer who
> > doubles on turntables, and myself on rhodes, nord lead, modular and
> > effects. Anybody else playing out with their MOTM?
>
>
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Re: Call me crazy, BUT

1999-07-09 by Dave Bradley

OK. You're crazy.

> From: "J. Larry Hendry" <jlarryh@...>
>
> OK, I have been thinking (a dangerous thing for Larry of the 3 stooges)
> about the ultimate configuration for my MOTM set up.

> I plan to connect
> my MOTM stuff in all the abnormal ways I can think of.

To quote a relevant passage from "Young Frankenstein" -

Dr. Frankenstein: "Igor, whose brain is this?"
Igor: "Abby somebody."
Dr. Frankenstein: "Abby WHO?"
Igor: "Abby Normal."

BWAA HAHAHAHAHA Nyuk Nyuk

Moe