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In a message dated 11/20/00 11:37:21 PM Central Standard Time, 
djthomaswhite@... writes:

> the basic utility desires so far ask for the following modules (or 
>  variations) to be made available someday...
>  
>  1. Attenuator Module - With maybe two or three channels in a one space 
>  panel. Larry Hendry has ideas for this (with basic mixing functions built 
>  in) already and Oakley has a simple pcb available again in December and a 
>  new mixer out soon. What about one of the attenuators having "Fine" 
control 
>  pot for us really picky guys out here?
>  
>  2. Alternate Noise Source - Some sort of digital based pseudo random noise 
>  generator. Crow had some ideas on this using a PIC chip for the brain. The 
>  CV control of clock rate would be great for us drum makers.
>  
>  3. Joystick Module - No other manufacturer makes this aside from analog 
>  systems as far as I know. A CV Joystick module would be great for all of 
the 
> 
>  guys brewing up big home systems without a Kenton/Encore and Midi pitch 
>  bend. I know the Brand D guys are coming out with one of these. but it 
will 
>  use a similar style joystick to the analog systems guys... Ptttwwueeeee!!! 
>  The PC Jr joystick is great and on a cord instead of panel mounted and 
>  in-flexible for placing next to your controller keyboard. The features of 
>  this module have already been well debated so its up to you guys to chime 
in 
> 
>  with features and want lists.
>  What about a CV-less joystick you can use as a dual atteuator with one pot 
>  for both levels (Joystick)? You could feed LFO's or anything into this 
thing 
> 
>  and have great expressive control.
>  
>  4. Gate Delay - Maybe this will be a side feature of the upcoming Delayed 
>  Vibrato module. If not, a 1u rack with 2 of these would be very handy.
>  
>  5. Fixed Voltage Source/volume pedal interface - This could be a panel 
with 
>  some 0-10v CV outs and an interface for a volume pedal. The fixed voltage 
>  could be fed into 4 VCO's at once for instance and all tuned with the one 
>  source CV right? The Volume pedal that Big Briar offers for use with their 
>  Mooger Controller is awesome! I have this thing patched into my modular 
for 
>  on the gas vibrato effects. Sure is useful and I could definately see a 
row 
>  of 4 or 5 CV pedals under my controller.
>  
>  Well those modules are the first of the Utility discussion, or at least 
what 
> 
>  people mentioned on the list. Please metion anything that hasn't been 
>  discussed so we can all learn about unique directions to head with MOTM, 
>  Ciao'
>  

  "Ahem...cough, cough..."  (clearing throat)

 6. Trrraacking generator-tor-or-or-or
    ; )

 I can still wish can't I ?
 Andrew

>... and Oakley has a simple pcb available again in December and a new
mixer out soon.

Both should be ready by mid December I hope. The new mixer is an four
channel audio one, but there is no reason, with just a few changes you
could make it a CV one with two inputs with a fine and coarse controls.
I'll include the instructions for this in the User Guide. Thanks for the
pointer Thomas.

>Gate Delay...

Take one Oakley AD/R module (or two ADSR set for AD and AR, ie. S = 0
and 100% respectively) and one Multimix. Set the multimix up so that it
subtracts the AD from the AR envelope. (AD input set to min, AR input
set to full). Set D/R to zero. The output of the MultiMix is now a gate
delay with the delay time controlled by the attack time. Works very well
indeed.

As a note on the triple LFO panel that Thomas mentioned. I actually have
only two Little-LFOs on my prototype panel. The third slot is filled by
a little VC-LFO, which as yet has not been produced as a PCB. But some
customers have built triple Little-LFOs with great success.

Regards,

Tony Allgood  Penrith, Cumbria, England

Oakley Modular Synth and TB3030:
www.techrepairs.freeserve.co.uk/projects.htm
My music: www.mp3.com/taklamakan

Thanks for your reply guys,

the basic utility desires so far ask for the following modules (or 
variations) to be made available someday...

1. Attenuator Module - With maybe two or three channels in a one space 
panel. Larry Hendry has ideas for this (with basic mixing functions built 
in) already and Oakley has a simple pcb available again in December and a 
new mixer out soon. What about one of the attenuators having "Fine" control 
pot for us really picky guys out here?

2. Alternate Noise Source - Some sort of digital based pseudo random noise 
generator. Crow had some ideas on this using a PIC chip for the brain. The 
CV control of clock rate would be great for us drum makers.

3. Joystick Module - No other manufacturer makes this aside from analog 
systems as far as I know. A CV Joystick module would be great for all of the 
guys brewing up big home systems without a Kenton/Encore and Midi pitch 
bend. I know the Brand D guys are coming out with one of these. but it will 
use a similar style joystick to the analog systems guys... Ptttwwueeeee!!! 
The PC Jr joystick is great and on a cord instead of panel mounted and 
in-flexible for placing next to your controller keyboard. The features of 
this module have already been well debated so its up to you guys to chime in 
with features and want lists.
What about a CV-less joystick you can use as a dual atteuator with one pot 
for both levels (Joystick)? You could feed LFO's or anything into this thing 
and have great expressive control.

4. Gate Delay - Maybe this will be a side feature of the upcoming Delayed 
Vibrato module. If not, a 1u rack with 2 of these would be very handy.

5. Fixed Voltage Source/volume pedal interface - This could be a panel with 
some 0-10v CV outs and an interface for a volume pedal. The fixed voltage 
could be fed into 4 VCO's at once for instance and all tuned with the one 
source CV right? The Volume pedal that Big Briar offers for use with their 
Mooger Controller is awesome! I have this thing patched into my modular for 
on the gas vibrato effects. Sure is useful and I could definately see a row 
of 4 or 5 CV pedals under my controller.

Well those modules are the first of the Utility discussion, or at least what 
people mentioned on the list. Please metion anything that hasn't been 
discussed so we can all learn about unique directions to head with MOTM, 
Ciao'

Thomas White

PS. I mentioned something in a previous mail about a triple or dual LFO and 
have resolved to buy Oakley LFO's for this purpose in the future. Maybe to 
make a triple LFO panel like on his site.



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Sounds like some interesting ideas, and some modules I'd certainly find a
use for.
>
>3. Joystick Module - No other manufacturer makes this aside from analog
>systems as far as I know. A CV Joystick module would be great for all of the
>guys brewing up big home systems without a Kenton/Encore and Midi pitch
>bend. I know the Brand D guys are coming out with one of these. but it will
>use a similar style joystick to the analog systems guys... Ptttwwueeeee!!!
>The PC Jr joystick is great and on a cord instead of panel mounted and
>in-flexible for placing next to your controller keyboard. The features of
>this module have already been well debated so its up to you guys to chime in
>with features and want lists.

I should put a few snapshots of my quick and kinda ugly triple joystick
controller up sometime. I used the PC Jr joysticks, and I do like the fact
that they're on a cord and smallish. I don't like the Wiard-style
panel-mount joystick, seems to be a lot less ergonomic. I built a 1u
breakout panel that has X & Y CV's for all three joysticks, and dual gates
(top and front) each for 2.

>What about a CV-less joystick you can use as a dual atteuator with one pot
>for both levels (Joystick)? You could feed LFO's or anything into this thing
>and have great expressive control.

I'm not entirely clear on what you are proposing here, but couldn't this be
done with a joystick controlling a pair of VCA's? Maybe a mixer to sum the
outs of the VCA? I'd probably prefer to have a general purpose joystick
module that can control other modules than a more special-purpose design.

>
>PS. I mentioned something in a previous mail about a triple or dual LFO and
>have resolved to buy Oakley LFO's for this purpose in the future. Maybe to
>make a triple LFO panel like on his site.

I'm just finishing up a pair of Tony's AD/AR Dual EG's, and the circuit
boards are well-designed, fairly easy to assemble, and kinda cute. I've got
3 VCA boards to do next. Tony's designs offer some cool and simple
additions to the MOTM system.

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----- Original Message ----- 

From: thomas white <djthomaswhite@...>
3. Joystick Module - No other manufacturer makes this 
aside from analog systems as far as I know. A CV Joystick
module would be great for all of the guys brewing up big 
home systems without a Kenton/Encore and Midi pitch 
bend. I know the Brand D guys are coming out with one
of these. but it will use a similar style joystick to the analog
systems guys... Ptttwwueeeee!!!
------
LH: I have not seen this (don't go looking though).  Aside from
the general poor quality associated with "other brand" modules,
what it is abouth this style that causes such a bad taste in your
mouth ?
---
TW: The PC Jr joystick is great and on a cord instead of panel
mounted and in-flexible for placing next to your controller
keyboard.
----
LH: I got one of thse to play with from Electronic gold mine for $3.49.  
While they are seem nice if you want to use them in the existing
enclosure on the end of a cord, they are not suitable for panel
mounting if that is your gig.

BTW, these things are currently on sale for $1.99

While we are on the subject, while waiting for my next MOTM
module to arrive, I ahve been keeping busy with some DIY stuff
for the fun of it.  I guess messing with a joystick has finally made its
way up the ladder to next.  However, I keep wondering whether
to to have the joystick panel mounted or on the end of a cord.

Honestly, the joystick on the end of a cord seems a bit of a waste
to me (or for me).  I use a Kenton pro2000 for MIDI to CV.  I
can assign the joystick on my keyboard to generate CVs.  So, I 
have the remote joystick.,  Put, from a "how used and usefulness"
point of view, I woudl appreciate hearing what others have to say
about the on panel vs. on the end of a cord thing.
----
TW:  What about a CV-less joystick you can use as a dual atteuator
with one pot for both levels (Joystick)? You could feed LFO's 
or anything into this thing and have great expressive control.
-------
LH:  I'd be a little skeptical of this as a source of noise. Why not
just take your joystick CV as a VCA control and use the VCA for
your control?
------
TW: Fixed Voltage Source/volume pedal interface - This could be a
panel with some 0-10v CV outs and an interface for a volume pedal.
---
LH: This is something else I have been interested in.  One of my thoughts
was that a joystick panel could have have a pedal input jack that would
"take over" one of the joystick axis voltages when plugged in.  You 
could have two pedal inputs.  You could use both agt once, or just one
and have one axis of control remaining on the joystick.  Does that
sound appealing as a "add on" feature to joystick panel?
------
TW: Well those modules are the first of the Utility discussion,
or at least what people mentioned on the list. Please metion 
anything that hasn't been discussed so we can all learn about
unique directions to head with MOTM, 
Thomas White
----
Great discussion TW.
Larry H

>---
---
>A joystick in a panel would be far more use in my planned setup. I'm 
>building a "L" shaped wooden cabinet with room for 1 row of modules on the 
>bottom and 2 rows on top. I would like to have some controllers of some 
>kind in the bottom row. I'm trying to keep it compact and self contained. 
>Futile, since I know that eventually I will buy more modules than what will 
>fit.
I imagine that I would a joystick a lot, or any other alternative type of 
controller for that matter, since I'm not real big on using a keyboard and I 
don't have a real nice midi converter( two cv and one gate out of the back 
of my Waldorf Pulse Plus)
Barry S.
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>Honestly, the joystick on the end of a cord seems a bit of a waste
>to me (or for me).  I use a Kenton pro2000 for MIDI to CV.  I
>can assign the joystick on my keyboard to generate CVs.  So, I
>have the remote joystick.,  Put, from a "how used and usefulness"
>point of view, I woudl appreciate hearing what others have to say
>about the on panel vs. on the end of a cord thing.

I view it this way: For $1.79 (the price of the PC Jr. when I got them) + 1
1u panel + a bunch of jacks, I was able to build a quick and dirty and
surprisingly useful Joystick/Gate controller. In the long run, I'd probably
want a panel-mount, high quality joystick, but until then, I'm having goofy
fun with what I got (Feels like playing an Atari!)

>LH: This is something else I have been interested in.  One of my thoughts
>was that a joystick panel could have have a pedal input jack that would
>"take over" one of the joystick axis voltages when plugged in.  You
>could have two pedal inputs.  You could use both agt once, or just one
>and have one axis of control remaining on the joystick.  Does that
>sound appealing as a "add on" feature to joystick panel?

This does sound like a cool feature.

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>Simply that the joystick they are going to be using is acheap little unit so
>it can fit in the small panel and most of these budget sized joysticks have
>slack in the middle of the response (YEACH!)and use the small carbon pots
>everybody dislikes(Although I can live with this as long as the response is
>fairly accurate). I have been looking for a long time for a quality or
>precision joystick to make an external CV type of unit. Sure the other guys
>joystick is useful and certainly cool and available, but I am looking for an
>MOTM joystick if you know what I'm saying. PC Jr is cool as the external one
>even with the carbon pots cause you can release the tension of each axis
>separately!!! Free floating is what its all about. A nice spare NASA
>joystick would be a great find on the web somewhere. Think they have any
>space shuttle trim joysticks somewhere or similar? Precision machined metal
>with optical potentiometers inside for ultra smooth action!!!JK

I'm still investigating the idea of a multiple joystick/trigger
button/ribbon controller performance box, I envision a slope top box maybe
about 1/2 the width of a midi keyboard controller. What would be a good
quality panel mount joystick to use in this application? I've done a few
searches, but haven't really found what I'm looking for yet.

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On Wed Nov 22, 2000 7:02am, J. Larry Hendry wrote:
>While we are on the subject, while waiting for my next MOTM
>module to arrive, I ahve been keeping busy with some DIY stuff
>for the fun of it. I guess messing with a joystick has finally made its
>way up the ladder to next. 

Granted, everyone uses their modular in different ways, but for me,
joysticks are absolutely *the* essential controller for a modular.
Whenever I play out with my MOTM, the Wiard dual joystick controller goes
with it (and conveniently takes up the extra 2U in the popup mixer case).

>However, I keep wondering whether
>to to have the joystick panel mounted or on the end of a cord.

All four of the joysticks in my modular system(s) are panel mounted, and
I've never felt uncomfortable using them, nor felt the need to have them
elsewhere.  After all, all four hundred (well, not *quite* that many ...
only two or three) of the knobs on my modular systems are panel mounted,
and a joystick is just a means of (effectively) being able to turn two
knobs with one hand.

>Honestly, the joystick on the end of a cord seems a bit of a waste
>to me (or for me). I use a Kenton pro2000 for MIDI to CV. I
>can assign the joystick on my keyboard to generate CVs. So, I 
>have the remote joystick., Put, from a "how used and usefulness"
>point of view, I woudl appreciate hearing what others have to say
>about the on panel vs. on the end of a cord thing.

Like I said, I've had nothing but great experiences using four
panel-mounted joysticks and have never felt the need to have one elsewhere.
 I could see how it might be cool for a singer/frontman character to have a
joystick on a long extension cord running back to the modular so he can
make wild electronic noises while shaking his booty for the women rushing
the stage ... (but that would have to be up to him - any band that would
have me as frontman would be demonstrating extremely poor taste and
judgement).

All four joysticks are "free-floating", and I can't say I've ever felt the
need for one to "snap back" to a fixed location, but I have often
experienced situations where I would be *really disappointed* if the
joystick was always snapping back ... (so I'd have no problem with that
"feature" as long as it could be disabled since I'd probably never use it).
 I frequently want the 'sticks to stay in place while my hands are busy
twisting knobs or re-plugging patch cords.

>------
>TW: Fixed Voltage Source/volume pedal interface - This could be a
>panel with some 0-10v CV outs and an interface for a volume pedal.
>---
>LH: This is something else I have been interested in. One of my thoughts
>was that a joystick panel could have have a pedal input jack that would
>"take over" one of the joystick axis voltages when plugged in. You 
>could have two pedal inputs. You could use both agt once, or just one
>and have one axis of control remaining on the joystick. Does that
>sound appealing as a "add on" feature to joystick panel?

I like the pedal interface idea.  It would be nice to be able to plug in a
passive volume pedal, and get a range of attenuated CV from it.  A pedal
interface should also include inputs for footswitches that would output a
gate/trigger when the footswitch is pressed ... ideally, this could also be
used as an S-trig -> V-trig converter (since a footswitch puts out a
"short" when depressed).  I can't think of any use for a pedal to "take
over" an existing joystick axis, though.  I'd greatly prefer separate
joystick and pedal modules, or a module with BOTH 2 joystick CV outs (one
for each axis) AND a pedal CV output.

	-Doug
	 ceres@...
	 ceres[at]sirius.com

I have no idea why the last 2 messages got sent twice. Sorry for the
bandwidth, ond hope you only see this one once!

To through something with at least a bit of relevance in, I just got mu
Dual Oakley Dual AD/AR EG mounted and fired up! Works great, is rather easy
to build, and offers a pretty cool alternative to the usual ADSR envelopes.
I normalled the gate for EG1 to EG2, so 1 gate can generate 4 envelopes.
Very simple and cool module, highly recomended.

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In a message dated 00-11-22 09:01:52 EST, you write:

<< Aside from
 the general poor quality associated with "other brand" modules,
 what it is abouth this style that causes such a bad taste in your
 mouth ? >>


larry,
while i`ve never had any problems related to "build quality" from my system, 
i would think that a joystick mounted on the vertical panel might be hard to 
use. i suspect that a panel i/o module that a joystick w/ cord plugged into 
would be more ergonomically useful. also, while i`ve not seen one myself, i 
think i recall someone telling me that the unit from analog systems was 
spring loaded. for me, that would be a bummer as the one thing "my" joystick 
would almost never be used for would be pitch bending. the associated return 
to center from spring loading would be an anathema. i`m not sure how well a 
spring loaded unit would function if you removed the springs or if thats even 
possible. last i heard, the "brand d" folks were reviewing joysticks with an 
eye to making a decision soon but i don`t know that they`ll use the same unit 
that analog systems uses.
best,
dave v.

In a message dated 00-11-22 09:01:52 EST, you write:

<<  Fixed Voltage Source >>


larry ( and thomas),
again, the evil "brand d" folks have something like this as a module and i 
have found it to be very, very useful. whether you wait for paul to produce 
something or do one up diy, i can heartily recommend it
best,
dave v.

To panel or not to panel, that is the question...

Neither panel mounting or loose on a cord is my desired solution. I 
plan on building an external box as a performance surface, pprobably 
wedge shaped and not much bigger than a computer keyboard. It will 
have 2 joysticks, gate pushbuttons, a small ribbon controller, and 
some capacitive touch pads. Probably will build a breakout panel for 
it.

Moe

but it will use a similar style joystick to the analog
>systems guys... Ptttwwueeeee!!!

>------
>LH: I have not seen this (don't go looking though).  Aside from
>the general poor quality associated with "other brand" modules,
>what it is abouth this style that causes such a bad taste in your
>mouth ?

Simply that the joystick they are going to be using is acheap little unit so 
it can fit in the small panel and most of these budget sized joysticks have 
slack in the middle of the response (YEACH!)and use the small carbon pots 
everybody dislikes(Although I can live with this as long as the response is 
fairly accurate). I have been looking for a long time for a quality or 
precision joystick to make an external CV type of unit. Sure the other guys 
joystick is useful and certainly cool and available, but I am looking for an 
MOTM joystick if you know what I'm saying. PC Jr is cool as the external one 
even with the carbon pots cause you can release the tension of each axis 
separately!!! Free floating is what its all about. A nice spare NASA 
joystick would be a great find on the web somewhere. Think they have any 
space shuttle trim joysticks somewhere or similar? Precision machined metal 
with optical potentiometers inside for ultra smooth action!!!JK

However, I keep wondering whether
>to to have the joystick panel mounted or on the end of a cord.

Both would be bought if made available I think.

Why not just take your joystick CV as a VCA control and use the VCA for
>your control?

Good point my friend, dual VCA ahead 20 degrees to the west, ay ay capn'

>Great discussion TW.

Thanks Larry and to all who participated their opinions!!!

Thomas White


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>----- Original Message -----
>From: Dave Bradley <daveb@...>
>To panel or not to panel, that is the question...
>
>Neither panel mounting or loose on a cord is my
>desired solution. I plan on building an external box
>as a performance surface, pprobably wedge shaped
>and not much bigger than a computer keyboard. It
>will have 2 joysticks, gate pushbuttons, a small ribbon
>controller, and some capacitive touch pads. Probably
>will build a breakout panel for it.
>
Sounds like some of the same ideas I'm thinking. Have you settled on a
specific joystick, and if so, which? How do you make a capacitive touchpad?
I was reading in Mark Vail's Vintage Synths book about the Buchla #1 at
Mills, and was very intrigued by the touchplate keyboards on that beast.
How exactly do these work? I gathered from the book that they are pressure
sensitive. Also, I've been debating whether to do the patchpoints directly
from the controller box, or to do a rackmount breakout box. What's you're
reasoning? I'm guessing I'll never use the controller too far from the
modular, so it may not make too much difference.


>Good thoughts Moe.  I have a couple of questions:
>
>1.  Will the wedge shaped panel surface be modular or one big panel?
>2.  What in the heck are you using for ribbon controller material the buddy?

Yeah, I wanna know too!

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In a message dated 00-11-22 20:32:35 EST, you write:

<< What in the heck are you using for ribbon controller material the buddy?
 
 LH >>


larry,
i was wondering the same thing about capactive touch pads - use regular pc 
board ala serge tkb ?
best,
dave v.

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave Bradley <daveb@...>
To panel or not to panel, that is the question...

Neither panel mounting or loose on a cord is my
desired solution. I plan on building an external box
as a performance surface, pprobably wedge shaped
and not much bigger than a computer keyboard. It
will have 2 joysticks, gate pushbuttons, a small ribbon
controller, and some capacitive touch pads. Probably
will build a breakout panel for it.

Good thoughts Moe.  I have a couple of questions:

1.  Will the wedge shaped panel surface be modular or one big panel?
2.  What in the heck are you using for ribbon controller material the buddy?

LH

I saw this stuff and wondered about it.  It says "variable resistance" but
is designed to be hooked to PCs and stuff.  It would be cool to get some and
see what it is all about.  However, the developers kits is $150.  A little
"salty" just to see.  I asked for more information.  Check it out.
Larry H

http://www.interlinkelec.com/products/page03a.htm

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To: <motm@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [motm] Re: Joystick mounting


In a message dated 00-11-22 20:32:35 EST, you write:
<< What in the heck are you using for ribbon controller material the buddy?

larry,
i was wondering the same thing about capactive touch pads - use regular pc
board ala serge tkb ?
best,
dave v.

--- In motm@egroups.com, "J. Larry Hendry" <jlarryh@i...> wrote:
> 
> 1.  Will the wedge shaped panel surface be modular or one big panel?

Modular probably. Either jacks at the BACK (TOP) of the panel so 
patch cords don't interfere with the controllers, or a multiconnector 
cable to a breakout panel.

> 2.  What in the heck are you using for ribbon controller material 
> the buddy?
> 

Hee hee. I have this NOS 5" ribbon from a Moog MicroMoog that I've 
held on to for 20 years waiting to do something with. I also have my 
Moog 1050 long ribbon controller that I could attempt to integrate, 
although the ribbon itself is broken at one end.

I have a Wiard Joystick (the short lived Frac panel version), and it 
has a very nice feel, even though the pots are cheap open carbon 
jobbies. I need to come up with a second.

Moe

Hello MOTM list!

I'm starting to get a bunch of requests about pre-ordering the new Universal
Event Generator. The main reason that I haven't started to pre-order is that
up until today, I didn't have the order form updated.

It is now, and the Adobe PDF file can be found at:

http://www.encoreelectronics.com/motm/orderus.pdf

If you want to pre-order, it will guarantee you are in the first group to
get modules. Shipping will be $12 per order to offer a small savings (not
per product like the other ones.)

The site does not yet mention the module. There are several emails about its
features in this group. The site will get a major overhaul to add Knobby
library d/l support, and the UEG will be there shortly.

Regards,

Tony Karavidas
Encore Electronics

http://www.encoreelectronics.com

Designers of "The best MIDI to CV converter on the planet." -Keyboard Oct.
1997

In a message dated 11/22/00 9:46:47 AM, djthomaswhite@... writes:

<< I am looking for an MOTM joystick >>

Penny & Giles makes some nice high-quality joysticks, but the units that 
interest me most are available from:

http://www.ctielectronics.com/

(use Explorer and not Netscape to view this site).

These are very cool looking inductive joysticks.

Ivan

In a message dated 11/22/00 10:32:39 PM Central Standard Time, 
tony@... writes:

> Hello MOTM list!
>  
>  I'm starting to get a bunch of requests about pre-ordering the new 
Universal
>  Event Generator. The main reason that I haven't started to pre-order is 
that
>  up until today, I didn't have the order form updated.
>  
>  It is now, and the Adobe PDF file can be found at:
>  
>  http://www.encoreelectronics.com/motm/orderus.pdf
>  
>  If you want to pre-order, it will guarantee you are in the first group to
>  get modules. Shipping will be $12 per order to offer a small savings (not
>  per product like the other ones.)
>  
>  The site does not yet mention the module. There are several emails about 
its
>  features in this group. The site will get a major overhaul to add Knobby
>  library d/l support, and the UEG will be there shortly.
>  
>  Regards,
>  
>  Tony Karavidas


 Hi Tony,
 I have some questions... 

1. Will the UEG still be offered as a kit and if so, when will this be 
available? 

2. What is the kit's expected price point?

3. After the initial batch of UEG's, how long before they're available again?

 Thanks!
  Andrew Sanchez

>

$289 + $12 (ouch by the way) shipping on the order form.

>
>
> 2. What is the kit's expected price point?
>
> 3. After the initial batch of UEG's, how long before they're available again?
>
>  Thanks!
>   Andrew Sanchez
>

In a confused state, I wrote:

>>1. Will the UEG still be offered as a kit and if so, when will this be 
>>available? 

>  > 2. What is the UEG's kit's expected price point?
>  >

------------
 weld@... kindly responds:

> $289 + $12 (ouch by the way) shipping on the order form.
>  
--------------

 Still lost, I write again:

 So these are kits that are ready for ordering?

  Andrew

> 
>  Still lost, I write again:
> 
>  So these are kits that are ready for ordering?
> 

IIRC, these will only be available assembled (no kits).  They are compatible with
Synthesis Technology all the way down to the power connectors but made by Encore
Electronics.

Eric

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Hi Tony,
 I have some questions...

1. Will the UEG still be offered as a kit and if so, when will this be
available?

2. What is the kit's expected price point?

3. After the initial batch of UEG's, how long before they're available
again?

 Thanks!
  Andrew Sanchez



Hi Andrew,

No it will not be offered as a kit.

#3 is difficult to answer. Atmel is one of my long lead suppliers and I need
to get a grip on the sell through rate to determine when and how many to
build on the second run. The problem with that is that it takes me 3 months
to get some of the parts, so I would have to order now to have non-stop
production. The problem with ordering now is that it ties up thousands of
dollar.

Paul knows exactly what this is like, and it's a pain in the ass to deal
with.

On the plus side, I use this difficult part in several designs, so I can
usually steal them from somewhere, but that causes headaches in another
area.

Tony

At this point, I can't remember the specifics of the UEG as discussed some
month ago.

I searched the Egroups archives, and found a link to the Encore site, where
apicture of it reportedly resides, but it now seems to be a broken link.

The current link is only to an order form, not a module description, so...

Where can we see the specifics of this module again...?


Thanks!

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Karavidas
To: motm@egroups.com
Sent: 11/22/2000 11:27 PM
Subject: RE: [motm] Universal Event Generator (UEG) pre-order

Hello MOTM list!

I'm starting to get a bunch of requests about pre-ordering the new
Universal
Event Generator. The main reason that I haven't started to pre-order is
that
up until today, I didn't have the order form updated.

It is now, and the Adobe PDF file can be found at:

http://www.encoreelectronics.com/motm/orderus.pdf

If you want to pre-order, it will guarantee you are in the first group
to
get modules. Shipping will be $12 per order to offer a small savings
(not
per product like the other ones.)

The site does not yet mention the module. There are several emails about
its
features in this group. The site will get a major overhaul to add Knobby
library d/l support, and the UEG will be there shortly.

Regards,

Tony Karavidas
Encore Electronics

http://www.encoreelectronics.com

Heres a picture Ken
Isnt that archive a great resource!  : )
happy to help
Jim
http://www.encoreelectronics.com/motm/ENVGEN5a.jpg

Tkacs, Ken wrote:

> At this point, I can't remember the specifics of the UEG as discussed some
> month ago.
>
> I searched the Egroups archives, and found a link to the Encore site, where
> apicture of it reportedly resides, but it now seems to be a broken link.
>
> The current link is only to an order form, not a module description, so...
>
> Where can we see the specifics of this module again...?
>
> Thanks!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Karavidas
> To: motm@egroups.com
> Sent: 11/22/2000 11:27 PM
> Subject: RE: [motm] Universal Event Generator (UEG) pre-order
>
> Hello MOTM list!
>
> I'm starting to get a bunch of requests about pre-ordering the new
> Universal
> Event Generator. The main reason that I haven't started to pre-order is
> that
> up until today, I didn't have the order form updated.
>
> It is now, and the Adobe PDF file can be found at:
>
> http://www.encoreelectronics.com/motm/orderus.pdf
>
> If you want to pre-order, it will guarantee you are in the first group
> to
> get modules. Shipping will be $12 per order to offer a small savings
> (not
> per product like the other ones.)
>
> The site does not yet mention the module. There are several emails about
> its
> features in this group. The site will get a major overhaul to add Knobby
> library d/l support, and the UEG will be there shortly.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tony Karavidas
> Encore Electronics
>
> http://www.encoreelectronics.com
>