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MIDI>CV

1999-06-13 by james holloway

Anyone know anything about the "Expressionist" midi to CV converter made by
Encore? It has 8 CV and Trigger channels. It is more expensive than the
Kenton unit though.
I know Paul recommends the Kenton but I'd like to be able to expand beyond
only 2 channels of CV.
Thanks,
Jim


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Re: MIDI>CV

1999-06-13 by Mark Pulver

james holloway (01:06 PM 6/13/99) wrote:

>From: james holloway <jimh54@...>
>
>Anyone know anything about the "Expressionist" midi to CV converter made
>by Encore? It has 8 CV and Trigger channels. It is more expensive than the
>Kenton unit though.
>
>I know Paul recommends the Kenton but I'd like to be able to expand beyond
>only 2 channels of CV.

I have a comparison online at:

http://www.midiwall.com/synths/pro4-exp.html

I used to have a Pro4, I now have an Expressionist. There's no comparison.
When it comes to controlling multiple synths, the Expressionist blows away
the Kenton.

Compare the polyphonic modes on the two machines, and at the modulation
matrix on the Expressionist.


Mark

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Re: MIDI>CV

1999-06-13 by Cary Roberts

>I used to have a Pro4, I now have an Expressionist. There's no comparison.
>When it comes to controlling multiple synths, the Expressionist blows away
>the Kenton.
>
>Compare the polyphonic modes on the two machines, and at the modulation
>matrix on the Expressionist.

I'll have to second Mark. The Expressionist is a first rate box, with
first rate hardware design and layout only a MOTM builder could appreciate.
I can't say the same for the Kenton products I own..... Plus Tony
Karavidas, the guy behind Encore Electronics, is a nice guy to deal
with. His MIDI kits for synths like the OBx, Source, and Jupiter 8
are top notch. I highly recommend the Expressionist. On price, the
comparable Kenton Pro-4 sells for $900, $300 more than the Expressionist.

-Cary

Re: MIDI>CV

1999-06-14 by Dave Bradley

One caveat to be aware of on the Expressionist. It outputs only gates, not
triggers and gates. For the stock MOTM-800 design, that will give you only
ASR response, not ADSR. Easily rectified with 1 extra jumper wire on your
800s.

Dave Bradley
Principal Software Engineer
Engineering Animation, Inc.
daveb@...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: james holloway [mailto:jimh54@...]
> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 1999 3:07 PM
> To: motm@onelist.com
> Subject: [motm] MIDI>CV
>
>
> From: james holloway <jimh54@...>
>
> Anyone know anything about the "Expressionist" midi to CV
> converter made by
> Encore? It has 8 CV and Trigger channels. It is more expensive than the
> Kenton unit though.
> I know Paul recommends the Kenton but I'd like to be able to
> expand beyond
> only 2 channels of CV.
> Thanks,
> Jim
>
>
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Re: MIDI>CV

1999-06-14 by Dave Bradley

> You mean that the 800 can be triggerred through a full ADSR cycle
> from just
> a gate signal by adding a jumper? How? Where? All of my current
> controllers
> just provide gates (MAQ, Doepfer A-190 & 191, JKJ CV-3), and I've been
> using my 800's in ASR mode since I built them.

Yep.

Originally posted by John Speth:

>>>>>>>
M800: Solder a wire from the collector of Q1 to the unused pin of the
trigger jack. I tack soldered a wire from R1 on the component side to J2
and tie-wrapped it down. This allows the EG to function as a complete ADSR
with only a gate signal and no trigger. It will function as shipped when a
trigger plug is inserted. I'm surprised this wasn't designed in. I wonder
if it might be better to use a series resistor of about 5K in this wire to
protect against transients when inserting and removing a trigger
plug.<<<<<<<

Dave Bradley
Principal Software Engineer
Engineering Animation, Inc.
daveb@...

Re: MIDI>CV

1999-06-14 by Dave Trenkel

>From: "Dave Bradley" <daveb@...>
>
>One caveat to be aware of on the Expressionist. It outputs only gates, not
>triggers and gates. For the stock MOTM-800 design, that will give you only
>ASR response, not ADSR. Easily rectified with 1 extra jumper wire on your
>800s.
>
You mean that the 800 can be triggerred through a full ADSR cycle from just
a gate signal by adding a jumper? How? Where? All of my current controllers
just provide gates (MAQ, Doepfer A-190 & 191, JKJ CV-3), and I've been
using my 800's in ASR mode since I built them.

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Re: MIDI>CV

1999-06-14 by Mark Pulver

thebass (12:36 PM 6/14/99) wrote:

>From: thebass <thebass@...>
>
>Not true, the Expressionist does output S-trigger and +/- Gates both at the
>same time. It works like a charm.

I think he's talking about short pulse (like 100ms) triggers on a NOTE_ON
event.

The Expressionist will only do step S-triggers or step voltage levels which
are held in a HIGH state while the NOTE_ON event exists.


Mark

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Re: MIDI>CV

1999-06-14 by Dave Bradley

> From: Mark Pulver <mpulver@...>
>
> thebass (12:36 PM 6/14/99) wrote:
>
> >From: thebass <thebass@...>
> >
> >Not true, the Expressionist does output S-trigger and +/-
> Gates both at the
> >same time. It works like a charm.
>
> I think he's talking about short pulse (like 100ms) triggers on a NOTE_ON
> event.
>
> The Expressionist will only do step S-triggers or step voltage
> levels which
> are held in a HIGH state while the NOTE_ON event exists.
>

Yes, I was talking about a trigger pulse. The semantics get confusing
because Moog S-triggers are actually not pulses, but inverted voltage gates.
In the non-Moog world, usually a trigger signal means a pulse, and a gate
signal means a level. Anyway, the MOTM-800s need the trigger pulse AND the
gate signal to produce full ADSR unless you mod them to derive the trigger
pulse internally.

Somebody on this list (I forget who) pointed out that you CAN use the
Expressionist in an unorthodox manner with unmodified MOTM-800s to get full
ADSR response. It involves using one Expressionist gate channel set up for
positive gate, and plugging that into the GATE input of the 800, then using
a second Expressionist gate channel set up for S-Trig, and plugging that
into the 800 Trigger input. The reason this works is apparently that the
falling edge of the S-Trig is seen slightly after the rising edge of the
normal Gate voltage, and the 800 triggers from the falling edge. So it's a
happy timing situation. Of course, you burn an extra Expressionist Gate
output.

Dave Bradley
Principal Software Engineer
Engineering Animation, Inc.
daveb@...

Re: MIDI>CV

1999-06-14 by thebass

Not true, the Expressionist does output S-trigger and +/- Gates both at the
same time. It works like a charm.

Dave Bradley wrote:

> From: "Dave Bradley" <daveb@...>
>
> One caveat to be aware of on the Expressionist. It outputs only gates, not
> triggers and gates. For the stock MOTM-800 design, that will give you only
> ASR response, not ADSR. Easily rectified with 1 extra jumper wire on your
> 800s.
>
> Dave Bradley
> Principal Software Engineer
> Engineering Animation, Inc.
> daveb@...
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: james holloway [mailto:jimh54@...]
> > Sent: Sunday, June 13, 1999 3:07 PM
> > To: motm@onelist.com
> > Subject: [motm] MIDI>CV
> >
> >
> > From: james holloway <jimh54@...>
> >
> > Anyone know anything about the "Expressionist" midi to CV
> > converter made by
> > Encore? It has 8 CV and Trigger channels. It is more expensive than the
> > Kenton unit though.
> > I know Paul recommends the Kenton but I'd like to be able to
> > expand beyond
> > only 2 channels of CV.
> > Thanks,
> > Jim
> >
> >
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