MOTM

Well, here is a thought for an intermediate version (non-MOAS).

1) Use Spectrol 248 conductive plastic pots (the black ones on the '110
kit). I get those for
about $2.75ea.

2) Use a 12-bit ADC to read them in, and a 12-bit DAC for the output.

3) Use a 8051 uP (I have full-tilt boogy tools for 8051 and as a warning I
LOVE assembly).

4) Use a standard 2 line 16char LCD display or I have a surprise for an
equivalent. Both cost me about $20.

This would fit in a 3U wide, kit would be $400-500, and you get 1X16, 2X8
with EEPROM program storage,
sync to MIDI clock, etc etc etc. Glide, quantizer, SW upgrades off the net,
blah blah blah.

Takers????

Paul S.
Mr. Mico

I don't understand the issues here.

You want a quantizer: what is a "quantizer"? Well it takes a continuous
voltage
and assigns it to discrete steps. What better to do this than a uP? That
way, under
software, you can have YES/NO quantizing for EVERY pot. You can quantize to
both
chromatic and non-chromatic scales. You can save the setting in EEPROM. You
can have
equal time-per-step like a Moog 960 JUST AS EASY as you can have a data
entry knob
and set the time between notes (relative or in MIDI clocks).

This sequencer DOES NOT REQUIRE MIDI at all. The "default" configuration is
a super Moog 960.
The 8051 has a FREE UART that is 100% MIDI compatible and I have the code
already written!
(used in my Master's Thesis).

You want different triggers? What better way than a uP? Repeat on stage N,
random stages, cycle N times then stop,
wait for N pulses then RUN, etc etc etc. This is HARD in hardware but EASY
in software. All you do is hook the
clock to the Interrupt pin.

I'm NOT trying to make a Maq. I'm trying NOT to use 25 chips to do what a
8051 can do in 3.

Paul S.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gur Milstein <gur-m@...>
To: motm@onelist.com <motm@onelist.com>
Date: Sunday, April 04, 1999 6:53 PM
Subject: [motm] Re: Daughter of MOAS

>From: Gur Milstein <gur-m@...>
>
>Hi.
>no no no just not a maq clone it sucks.
>i dont know what to say no more,i hate this hybride sequencers.
>i want a simple analog sequencer,i want a smart quantizer not just
>the cromatic scale,i liked a lot the doep... desighn both
>of the triger sequencer and the quantizer chack it out.
>if the non MOAS would cost 400-500$ then how much the MOAS
>would cost 2000$,its crazy.
>for a guy like me how dont use MIDI at all i need lots
>of sequencers so do i gone end up with 5000$ of sequencer's ?
>
>thanx
>Gur Milstein
>
>At 06:27 PM 4/4/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
>>
>>Well, here is a thought for an intermediate version (non-MOAS).
>>
>>1) Use Spectrol 248 conductive plastic pots (the black ones on the '110
>>kit). I get those for
>>about $2.75ea.
>>
>>2) Use a 12-bit ADC to read them in, and a 12-bit DAC for the output.
>>
>>3) Use a 8051 uP (I have full-tilt boogy tools for 8051 and as a warning I
>>LOVE assembly).
>>
>>4) Use a standard 2 line 16char LCD display or I have a surprise for an
>>equivalent. Both cost me about $20.
>>
>>This would fit in a 3U wide, kit would be $400-500, and you get 1X16, 2X8
>>with EEPROM program storage,
>>sync to MIDI clock, etc etc etc. Glide, quantizer, SW upgrades off the

net,

>>blah blah blah.
>>
>>Takers????
>>
>>Paul S.
>>Mr. Mico
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Have you visited our new web site?
>>http://www.onelist.com
>>Onelist: Helping to create Internet communities
>>
>>
>
>
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What a bunch we are!

Barlow can't justify the expense, but will tell you just how to build one.
Hendry doesn't know why he needs one.
Milstein wants one, but not the one Paul can build.

You GOTTA love this MOTM list (Moaners Of The Month).

Keep up the good work Paul!
Synth Peon
JB

I want it to be clear it is NOT a MAQ clone.

I have NO intent of any real-time patterm memory storage (ie the uP records
the pots
turning in real-time into memory for saving). And, this is NOT a MIDI
sequencer!

All sequencers are controlled by DIGITAL logic. They HAVE to be. Even the 25
year old Moog 960
uses digital (RTL!!) logic.

A sequencer is a digital shift register that gates analog voltages based on
a clock pulse.

I agree with Gur that if you overload a uP based system you will detect
lags/delays. So this is
EXACTLY why I want a simple, small sequencer.

Now there are 3 ways to make that digital control logic:

a) use 74HCxxx ICs
b) use a FGPA like an Altera or Xilinx
c) use a uP

The trouble with (a) and (b) is you cannot add features. The trouble with
(a) is it takes too many parts.
The trouble with (b) is that FPGAs tend to have a small lifetime then they
are replaced with bigger, faster
versions. And the development platforms are $$$ ($99 Cypress WARP is the
cheapest I've used).

The 8051 has been around for 15 years. The price is like $5/chip and 6
people make them. There are FREE
tools to write code. And, I can add features easily with a download
function.

A sequencer doesn't have a "sound". Rather, the point Gur is trying to make
is that Doepfer made too much stuff
with an underpowered uP and the end result is disappointing.

What I want is a smaller Moog 960 with a few MOTM-like additions. I don't
plan to spend 1000 hours on the code. Rather,
a sequencer that is easy to use and has a LOW parts count.

Plus, I want to post the source code on the web and have all you folks hack
it to death and develop your own
versions (Hack #1 is I can show you how to add your name in the display on
power-up)

I was "doing the numbers" and it is possible to get the kit closer to $300.

Paul S.



-----Original Message-----
From: Gur Milstein <gur-m@...>
To: motm@onelist.com <motm@onelist.com>
Date: Sunday, April 04, 1999 8:59 PM
Subject: [motm] Re: Daughter of MOAS

>From: Gur Milstein <gur-m@...>
>
>Hi Paul,John.
>sory i did not want it to sound angree,this are my points:
>i own a maq ver-3 for a long time ,i'm allso was very related to doepfer
>sequencer line for more then 4 years.
>i saw how he (doepfer) made so many mistake's with his sequencer's line.
>he ferst started with the maq ver-1 which was ok,but then he went for
>ver-2 and ver-3 which all were great by ther softwere desighn but
>they were sound bad and lots of bugs and the most importent
>this sequencers were hard to make music with be cause of ther non analog
>behaver.
>
>then he made the giant shaltwerk which was the memory of paterns
>that the maq was making,and was a stand alone triger sequencer,but agin
>it sound bad and was very hard to work with.
>i know so many guy's frome germany how bought this goodis and dont
>use them be cause of ther non analog nature.
>
>then ther was a big yell in germany for the real thing,doepfer sales
>was so down that he desided to finely make it.
>
>so he made a great desighn for a analog sequencer 8/2 with lots of analog
>goodis in side.
>and he made a great quantizer that makes work easy.
>now if you think about it then you realize that his analog stuff
>is competit with the digital he sale.
>
>now i have been thrugh this story once and i dont want to repet it
>agin,its a sad story.
>
>it would take time til guy's would undersand that the analog quality
>does not end up only in the sound but allso in the control.
>
>moog was end up be cause guy's think that digital sound is gone
>be beter,but many was wrong as analog come back big time.
>
>Paul i know that it do sound crazy to make all this function
>with analog IC but at the end it would be sound like a analog control.
>
>serge sequencer is most analog and it shure is sound analog.
>
>digital have delay time ,digital have bugs,and digital is cold compering
>to a true warm analog.
>
>ok you want to make a digital sequencer then make the MOAS a giant
>digital sequencer,but please dont make the small sequencer a digital one.
>
>agin i'm sory if i offend you i just want the MOTM kip bing the best
>analog modular system in the world(i realy think so).
>
>i dont want to see you going the same mistake doepfer did.
>
>and yes a uP can make it but a uP can all so make a fu.. nord modular
>and we all know how it sounds compering to analog.
>
>love you all
>Gur Milstein
>
>At 07:18 PM 4/4/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
>>
>>I don't understand the issues here.
>>
>>You want a quantizer: what is a "quantizer"? Well it takes a continuous
>>voltage
>>and assigns it to discrete steps. What better to do this than a uP? That
>>way, under
>>software, you can have YES/NO quantizing for EVERY pot. You can quantize

to

>>both
>>chromatic and non-chromatic scales. You can save the setting in EEPROM.

You

>>can have
>>equal time-per-step like a Moog 960 JUST AS EASY as you can have a data
>>entry knob
>>and set the time between notes (relative or in MIDI clocks).
>>
>>This sequencer DOES NOT REQUIRE MIDI at all. The "default" configuration

is

>>a super Moog 960.
>>The 8051 has a FREE UART that is 100% MIDI compatible and I have the code
>>already written!
>>(used in my Master's Thesis).
>>
>>You want different triggers? What better way than a uP? Repeat on stage N,
>>random stages, cycle N times then stop,
>>wait for N pulses then RUN, etc etc etc. This is HARD in hardware but EASY
>>in software. All you do is hook the
>>clock to the Interrupt pin.
>>
>>I'm NOT trying to make a Maq. I'm trying NOT to use 25 chips to do what a
>>8051 can do in 3.
>>
>>Paul S.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Gur Milstein <gur-m@...>
>>To: motm@onelist.com <motm@onelist.com>
>>Date: Sunday, April 04, 1999 6:53 PM
>>Subject: [motm] Re: Daughter of MOAS
>>
>>
>>>From: Gur Milstein <gur-m@...>
>>>
>>>Hi.
>>>no no no just not a maq clone it sucks.
>>>i dont know what to say no more,i hate this hybride sequencers.
>>>i want a simple analog sequencer,i want a smart quantizer not just
>>>the cromatic scale,i liked a lot the doep... desighn both
>>>of the triger sequencer and the quantizer chack it out.
>>>if the non MOAS would cost 400-500$ then how much the MOAS
>>>would cost 2000$,its crazy.
>>>for a guy like me how dont use MIDI at all i need lots
>>>of sequencers so do i gone end up with 5000$ of sequencer's ?
>>>
>>>thanx
>>>Gur Milstein
>>>
>>>At 06:27 PM 4/4/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>>>From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
>>>>
>>>>Well, here is a thought for an intermediate version (non-MOAS).
>>>>
>>>>1) Use Spectrol 248 conductive plastic pots (the black ones on the '110
>>>>kit). I get those for
>>>>about $2.75ea.
>>>>
>>>>2) Use a 12-bit ADC to read them in, and a 12-bit DAC for the output.
>>>>
>>>>3) Use a 8051 uP (I have full-tilt boogy tools for 8051 and as a warning

I

>>>>LOVE assembly).
>>>>
>>>>4) Use a standard 2 line 16char LCD display or I have a surprise for an
>>>>equivalent. Both cost me about $20.
>>>>
>>>>This would fit in a 3U wide, kit would be $400-500, and you get 1X16,

2X8

>>>>with EEPROM program storage,
>>>>sync to MIDI clock, etc etc etc. Glide, quantizer, SW upgrades off the
>>net,
>>>>blah blah blah.
>>>>
>>>>Takers????
>>>>
>>>>Paul S.
>>>>Mr. Mico
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>Have you visited our new web site?
>>>>http://www.onelist.com
>>>>Onelist: Helping to create Internet communities
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>If you like orange and blue, then you will love our new web site!
>>>http://www.onelist.com
>>>Onelist: Fostering connections and information exchange
>>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Have you visited our new web site?
>>http://www.onelist.com
>>Onelist: Helping to create Internet communities
>>
>>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Have you visited our new web site?
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>From: Gur Milstein <gur-m@...>
>sory i did not want it to sound angree,this are my points:

-----------------------------------------------
I certainly did not take it as angry. Sounded more like "passionate" to me
which is a very good thing. Gur, I think everyone here appreciates your
comments. I know I am still trying to learn and I enjoy what you have to
say. The group will ALWAYS have different opinions. That is given. What
makes it great is that we can share those differences here like gentlemen
toward the common goal of the best MOTM modules Paul can make (and that we
can afford).
---------------------------------------------
From: JWBarlow@...

What a bunch we are!

Barlow can't justify the expense, but will tell you just how to build one.
Hendry doesn't know why he needs one.
Milstein wants one, but not the one Paul can build.

You GOTTA love this MOTM list (Moaners Of The Month).

Keep up the good work Paul!
----------------------------------------
Now John, You may have just crossed the line here. <grin> Actually, I
resemble that remark, but I would like to clarify it somewhat. Maybe I
don't know "why" I need one, but I do know exactly what I want. I just ask
Paul and he tells me. See how simple that is. <grin> and John, I do
appreciate the humor. :)
-----------------------------------------

> From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
>
> What I want is a smaller Moog 960 with a few MOTM-like
> additions. I don't plan to spend 1000 hours on the code. Rather,
> a sequencer that is easy to use and has a LOW parts count.
>
> Plus, I want to post the source code on the web and have all
> you folks hack it to death and develop your own versions
> (Hack #1 is I can show you how to add your name in the
> display on power-up)
>
> I was "doing the numbers" and it is possible to get the kit closer to

$300.

>
> Paul S.

--------------------------------------------
Count me in Paul. You will also have to teach me more about how to load
the source code modifications. I will buy one like that (or probably
whatever else you build since I still probably won't know why I need it
until it is in my rack for a couple of days).

Oh, and one last comment for John. Forget justifying the expense. I
certainly can't. But, here we are with opportunity and desire coming
together. Life is a Journey. Go for it !! <grin>

Larry Hendry

Hi.
no no no just not a maq clone it sucks.
i dont know what to say no more,i hate this hybride sequencers.
i want a simple analog sequencer,i want a smart quantizer not just
the cromatic scale,i liked a lot the doep... desighn both
of the triger sequencer and the quantizer chack it out.
if the non MOAS would cost 400-500$ then how much the MOAS
would cost 2000$,its crazy.
for a guy like me how dont use MIDI at all i need lots
of sequencers so do i gone end up with 5000$ of sequencer's ?

thanx
Gur Milstein

At 06:27 PM 4/4/99 -0500, you wrote:

>From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
>
>Well, here is a thought for an intermediate version (non-MOAS).
>
>1) Use Spectrol 248 conductive plastic pots (the black ones on the '110
>kit). I get those for
>about $2.75ea.
>
>2) Use a 12-bit ADC to read them in, and a 12-bit DAC for the output.
>
>3) Use a 8051 uP (I have full-tilt boogy tools for 8051 and as a warning I
>LOVE assembly).
>
>4) Use a standard 2 line 16char LCD display or I have a surprise for an
>equivalent. Both cost me about $20.
>
>This would fit in a 3U wide, kit would be $400-500, and you get 1X16, 2X8
>with EEPROM program storage,
>sync to MIDI clock, etc etc etc. Glide, quantizer, SW upgrades off the net,
>blah blah blah.
>
>Takers????
>
>Paul S.
>Mr. Mico
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Have you visited our new web site?
>http://www.onelist.com
>Onelist: Helping to create Internet communities
>
>

Hi Paul,John.
sory i did not want it to sound angree,this are my points:
i own a maq ver-3 for a long time ,i'm allso was very related to doepfer
sequencer line for more then 4 years.
i saw how he (doepfer) made so many mistake's with his sequencer's line.
he ferst started with the maq ver-1 which was ok,but then he went for
ver-2 and ver-3 which all were great by ther softwere desighn but
they were sound bad and lots of bugs and the most importent
this sequencers were hard to make music with be cause of ther non analog
behaver.

then he made the giant shaltwerk which was the memory of paterns
that the maq was making,and was a stand alone triger sequencer,but agin
it sound bad and was very hard to work with.
i know so many guy's frome germany how bought this goodis and dont
use them be cause of ther non analog nature.

then ther was a big yell in germany for the real thing,doepfer sales
was so down that he desided to finely make it.

so he made a great desighn for a analog sequencer 8/2 with lots of analog
goodis in side.
and he made a great quantizer that makes work easy.
now if you think about it then you realize that his analog stuff
is competit with the digital he sale.

now i have been thrugh this story once and i dont want to repet it
agin,its a sad story.

it would take time til guy's would undersand that the analog quality
does not end up only in the sound but allso in the control.

moog was end up be cause guy's think that digital sound is gone
be beter,but many was wrong as analog come back big time.

Paul i know that it do sound crazy to make all this function
with analog IC but at the end it would be sound like a analog control.

serge sequencer is most analog and it shure is sound analog.

digital have delay time ,digital have bugs,and digital is cold compering
to a true warm analog.

ok you want to make a digital sequencer then make the MOAS a giant
digital sequencer,but please dont make the small sequencer a digital one.

agin i'm sory if i offend you i just want the MOTM kip bing the best
analog modular system in the world(i realy think so).

i dont want to see you going the same mistake doepfer did.

and yes a uP can make it but a uP can all so make a fu.. nord modular
and we all know how it sounds compering to analog.

love you all
Gur Milstein

At 07:18 PM 4/4/99 -0500, you wrote:

>From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
>
>I don't understand the issues here.
>
>You want a quantizer: what is a "quantizer"? Well it takes a continuous
>voltage
>and assigns it to discrete steps. What better to do this than a uP? That
>way, under
>software, you can have YES/NO quantizing for EVERY pot. You can quantize to
>both
>chromatic and non-chromatic scales. You can save the setting in EEPROM. You
>can have
>equal time-per-step like a Moog 960 JUST AS EASY as you can have a data
>entry knob
>and set the time between notes (relative or in MIDI clocks).
>
>This sequencer DOES NOT REQUIRE MIDI at all. The "default" configuration is
>a super Moog 960.
>The 8051 has a FREE UART that is 100% MIDI compatible and I have the code
>already written!
>(used in my Master's Thesis).
>
>You want different triggers? What better way than a uP? Repeat on stage N,
>random stages, cycle N times then stop,
>wait for N pulses then RUN, etc etc etc. This is HARD in hardware but EASY
>in software. All you do is hook the
>clock to the Interrupt pin.
>
>I'm NOT trying to make a Maq. I'm trying NOT to use 25 chips to do what a
>8051 can do in 3.
>
>Paul S.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gur Milstein <gur-m@...>
>To: motm@onelist.com <motm@onelist.com>
>Date: Sunday, April 04, 1999 6:53 PM
>Subject: [motm] Re: Daughter of MOAS
>
>
>>From: Gur Milstein <gur-m@...>
>>
>>Hi.
>>no no no just not a maq clone it sucks.
>>i dont know what to say no more,i hate this hybride sequencers.
>>i want a simple analog sequencer,i want a smart quantizer not just
>>the cromatic scale,i liked a lot the doep... desighn both
>>of the triger sequencer and the quantizer chack it out.
>>if the non MOAS would cost 400-500$ then how much the MOAS
>>would cost 2000$,its crazy.
>>for a guy like me how dont use MIDI at all i need lots
>>of sequencers so do i gone end up with 5000$ of sequencer's ?
>>
>>thanx
>>Gur Milstein
>>
>>At 06:27 PM 4/4/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>>From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
>>>
>>>Well, here is a thought for an intermediate version (non-MOAS).
>>>
>>>1) Use Spectrol 248 conductive plastic pots (the black ones on the '110
>>>kit). I get those for
>>>about $2.75ea.
>>>
>>>2) Use a 12-bit ADC to read them in, and a 12-bit DAC for the output.
>>>
>>>3) Use a 8051 uP (I have full-tilt boogy tools for 8051 and as a warning I
>>>LOVE assembly).
>>>
>>>4) Use a standard 2 line 16char LCD display or I have a surprise for an
>>>equivalent. Both cost me about $20.
>>>
>>>This would fit in a 3U wide, kit would be $400-500, and you get 1X16, 2X8
>>>with EEPROM program storage,
>>>sync to MIDI clock, etc etc etc. Glide, quantizer, SW upgrades off the
>net,
>>>blah blah blah.
>>>
>>>Takers????
>>>
>>>Paul S.
>>>Mr. Mico
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>Have you visited our new web site?
>>>http://www.onelist.com
>>>Onelist: Helping to create Internet communities
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>If you like orange and blue, then you will love our new web site!
>>http://www.onelist.com
>>Onelist: Fostering connections and information exchange
>>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Have you visited our new web site?
>http://www.onelist.com
>Onelist: Helping to create Internet communities
>
>

Paul Schreiber wrote:

> I was "doing the numbers" and it is possible to get the kit closer to $300.
>

You provide a sequencer with the ability to hack the software for
$300 and I am in.

Thomas

Hi Paul and list.
ok ,now how do you plan to make the stage select,if i want N step
to repeat twice do i need to enter it thrugh the LCD or is it
gone be thrugh a jack input ?
what i meen is do i need to progrem the sequencer to do my needs
by entering values or do i gone modulate it to do it ?

thanx
Gur Milstein

At 11:03 PM 4/4/99 -0500, you wrote:

>From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
>
>I want it to be clear it is NOT a MAQ clone.
>
>I have NO intent of any real-time patterm memory storage (ie the uP records
>the pots
>turning in real-time into memory for saving). And, this is NOT a MIDI
>sequencer!
>
>All sequencers are controlled by DIGITAL logic. They HAVE to be. Even the 25
>year old Moog 960
>uses digital (RTL!!) logic.
>
>A sequencer is a digital shift register that gates analog voltages based on
>a clock pulse.
>
>I agree with Gur that if you overload a uP based system you will detect
>lags/delays. So this is
>EXACTLY why I want a simple, small sequencer.
>
>Now there are 3 ways to make that digital control logic:
>
>a) use 74HCxxx ICs
>b) use a FGPA like an Altera or Xilinx
>c) use a uP
>
>The trouble with (a) and (b) is you cannot add features. The trouble with
>(a) is it takes too many parts.
>The trouble with (b) is that FPGAs tend to have a small lifetime then they
>are replaced with bigger, faster
>versions. And the development platforms are $$$ ($99 Cypress WARP is the
>cheapest I've used).
>
>The 8051 has been around for 15 years. The price is like $5/chip and 6
>people make them. There are FREE
>tools to write code. And, I can add features easily with a download
>function.
>
>A sequencer doesn't have a "sound". Rather, the point Gur is trying to make
>is that Doepfer made too much stuff
>with an underpowered uP and the end result is disappointing.
>
>What I want is a smaller Moog 960 with a few MOTM-like additions. I don't
>plan to spend 1000 hours on the code. Rather,
>a sequencer that is easy to use and has a LOW parts count.
>
>Plus, I want to post the source code on the web and have all you folks hack
>it to death and develop your own
>versions (Hack #1 is I can show you how to add your name in the display on
>power-up)
>
>I was "doing the numbers" and it is possible to get the kit closer to $300.
>
>Paul S.

Count me in. I agree with Gur, however - you still want jacks for stage
gate outputs, and jacks for stage set also would be heavenly!

>What I want is a smaller Moog 960 with a few MOTM-like additions. I don't
>plan to spend 1000 hours on the code. Rather,
>a sequencer that is easy to use and has a LOW parts count.
>
>Plus, I want to post the source code on the web and have all you folks hack
>it to death and develop your own
>versions (Hack #1 is I can show you how to add your name in the display on
>power-up)
>
>I was "doing the numbers" and it is possible to get the kit closer to $300.
>

Dave in Deutschland, where there is no Dr. Pepper!

>>>>>>>>>>

The Seq is NOT MOAS...rather a smaller, leaner version. MOAS may never be
built, I just like to daydream every now and
then!

The price of the kit varies as I add/subtract stuff: I'm still trying for
<$500 kit. It will be 1x16 or 2x8. 5U wide, 5U tall.
<<<<<<<<<<

What the hell, it's a slow Friday...

Paul, how do you see arranging 16 pots on a 5 by 5 panel? As a 4x4 matrix?
What other panel elements would be there? LCD, 16 gate jax, mode switch,
clock jack, reset, rnd, up/down, etc. If it's programmable, you'd need input
devices for that also.

Also, how would you stack 2 together? You need at least a 24x1 in order to
reproduce Karn Evil 9...

The Instigator

Cool, but how do you see arranging the pots on the panel?

Mr. Persistant

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Schreiber [mailto:synth1@...]
> Sent: Friday, August 13, 1999 3:58 PM
> To: motm@onelist.com
> Subject: Re: [motm] Daughter of MOAS
>
>
> From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
>
> Being the clever person I am, the SEQ has 99 pattern memory. So, you CHAIN
> patterns together.
> You can have a total sequence of 16 x 99 = 1584 notes. Now, you can
> real-time twiddle
> but 16 at once in this mode, but still.......
>
> Paul S.

Being the clever person I am, the SEQ has 99 pattern memory. So, you CHAIN
patterns together.
You can have a total sequence of 16 x 99 = 1584 notes. Now, you can
real-time twiddle
but 16 at once in this mode, but still.......

Paul S.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Bradley <daveb@...>
To: MOTM List <motm@onelist.com>
Date: Friday, August 13, 1999 3:41 PM
Subject: [motm] Daughter of MOAS

>From: "Dave Bradley" <daveb@...>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>The Seq is NOT MOAS...rather a smaller, leaner version. MOAS may never be
>built, I just like to daydream every now and
>then!
>
>The price of the kit varies as I add/subtract stuff: I'm still trying for
><$500 kit. It will be 1x16 or 2x8. 5U wide, 5U tall.
><<<<<<<<<<
>
>What the hell, it's a slow Friday...
>
>Paul, how do you see arranging 16 pots on a 5 by 5 panel? As a 4x4 matrix?
>What other panel elements would be there? LCD, 16 gate jax, mode switch,
>clock jack, reset, rnd, up/down, etc. If it's programmable, you'd need

input

>devices for that also.
>
>Also, how would you stack 2 together? You need at least a 24x1 in order to
>reproduce Karn Evil 9...
>
>The Instigator
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-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Bradley <daveb@...>
To: motm@onelist.com <motm@onelist.com>
Date: Friday, August 13, 1999 4:04 PM
Subject: RE: [motm] Daughter of MOAS

>From: "Dave Bradley" <daveb@...>
>
>Cool, but how do you see arranging the pots on the panel?
>
>Mr. Persistant
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Paul Schreiber [mailto:synth1@...]
>> Sent: Friday, August 13, 1999 3:58 PM
>> To: motm@onelist.com
>> Subject: Re: [motm] Daughter of MOAS
>>
>>
>> From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
>>
>> Being the clever person I am, the SEQ has 99 pattern memory. So, you

CHAIN

>> patterns together.
>> You can have a total sequence of 16 x 99 = 1584 notes. Now, you can
>> real-time twiddle
>> but 16 at once in this mode, but still.......
>>
>> Paul S.
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Whoops! Sorry for the large attachment in glorious 24 bit color.

Dummy

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Bradley [mailto:daveb@...]
> Sent: Friday, August 13, 1999 5:03 PM
> To: motm@onelist.com
> Subject: RE: [motm] Daughter of MOAS
>
>
> Since Paul refuses to give me any direction whatsoever on this,
> I'm forced to submit this proposed design to the list without his input...
>
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>
> Have a good weekend, everyone!
>
> Moe
>

> From: "Dave Bradley" <daveb@...>
> Also, how would you stack 2 together? You need at least a 24x1 in order

to

> reproduce Karn Evil 9...
>
> The Instigator

Dave,
NOW, you have my attention (Emmerson fan). :) LH

On the knob issue...

What about the possiblility of using the smaller Alcons???

Shemp the Flux Jockey

Err...Alcos?

Paul S.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tentochi <tentochi@...>
To: motm@onelist.com <motm@onelist.com>
Date: Friday, August 13, 1999 8:49 PM
Subject: RE: [motm] Daughter of MOAS

>From: "Tentochi" <tentochi@...>
>
>On the knob issue...
>
>What about the possiblility of using the smaller Alcons???
>
>Shemp the Flux Jockey
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very nice Dave.
Paul i was wondering how the chin patern is gone work ?

thanx
Gur Milstein


At 08:43 16/08/99 -0500, you wrote:

>Well, that large attachment never arrived on the list, fortunately for
>everyone. It must have been filtered due to being too huge. Here's a
>glorious 16 color rendering of Daughter of MOAS, as rendered by Moe.
>
>Dave Bradley

Well, that large attachment never arrived on the list, fortunately for
everyone. It must have been filtered due to being too huge. Here's a
glorious 16 color rendering of Daughter of MOAS, as rendered by Moe.

Dave Bradley
Principal Software Engineer
Engineering Animation, Inc.
daveb@...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Bradley [mailto:daveb@...]
> Sent: Friday, August 13, 1999 5:06 PM
> To: MOTM List
> Subject: RE: [motm] Daughter of MOAS
>
>
> From: "Dave Bradley" <daveb@...>
>
> Whoops! Sorry for the large attachment in glorious 24 bit color.
>
> Dummy
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dave Bradley [mailto:daveb@...]
> > Sent: Friday, August 13, 1999 5:03 PM
> > To: motm@onelist.com
> > Subject: RE: [motm] Daughter of MOAS
> >
> >
> > Since Paul refuses to give me any direction whatsoever on this,
> > I'm forced to submit this proposed design to the list without
> his input...
> >
> > BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
> >
> > Have a good weekend, everyone!
> >
> > Moe
> >
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Hmmm... I like the patch name!

I will try to fax Dave a more better layout (Dave send me fax # private).

The knobs will be smaller diameter (same basic shape) plus there will be
LEDs and an "date entry" rotary encoder + about 6 pushbuttons.

Paul S.

great desighn Paul,i like it all.
the weakness point of a system like this might be the editing of
the transit frome one patern(16 pots) to the other,as we want
to musicly relat this two.
i think this function must be the fastest and easy to use.

Paul how about making it a 4/4,as it usualy more easy to set
a 16 pots sequence by seting ferst 4 pots in a cycle mode and then
the next 4 pots.... and then chain this 4 mini sequences to reach a
16 step sequence ?

thanx
Gur Milstein

At 22:28 16/08/99 -0500, you wrote:

>From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
>
>There are 99 memorys (#1-99). The length is set to say 16. You twiddle the
>16 pots
>to the correct voltages, press <STORE>. (You 'alpha' in the location with
>the data entry knob).
>
>A <CHAIN> is another memory, that stores sequences of memory locations. A
><CHAIN> might be:
>
>1-2-45-3-74-1-70.
>
>In other words, it plays the notes in #1, followed by #2, followed by #45,
>etc.
>
>Of course, we could place a <HOLD> in the <CHAIN> until, say, a <GATE IN> is
>sensed.
>or a <HOLD/LOOP> that repeats the <CHAIN> over and over until <GATE IN> is
>active, then it proceeds.

> Here's a glorious 16 color rendering of Daughter
> of MOAS, as rendered by Moe.
>
> Dave Bradley

OK Moe, I'll bite. I see the clever arrangement of jacks. Not subtle
enough to slip by those of us with two eyes. However, the arrangement of
the knobs is quite troublesome to me. They are not straight and I know
there is some sick twisted piece of logic behind what you have done
(engineers do nothing without a logical reason). So, share it with us and
tell us what's up.

The line between humor and just plain strange is getting gray.
Keep your eyes on the shiny object, you are getting sleepy.

Larry H.

In a message dated 8/16/99 5:34:12 PM, gur_mil@... writes:

>Paul i was wondering how the chin patern is gone work ?

I think I can answer that -- your chin's gonna hit the floor when you hear
it!!!!

But seriously folks.....can you give us any details on the chaining, and if
one will be able to reassign a sequence of 1500+ notes on one bank to a
sequence of 750+ notes on two banks (and so on), or possibly, even have
simultaneous banks of different lengths.

With apologies to Gur,
John B.

There are 99 memorys (#1-99). The length is set to say 16. You twiddle the
16 pots
to the correct voltages, press <STORE>. (You 'alpha' in the location with
the data entry knob).

A <CHAIN> is another memory, that stores sequences of memory locations. A
<CHAIN> might be:

1-2-45-3-74-1-70.

In other words, it plays the notes in #1, followed by #2, followed by #45,
etc.

Of course, we could place a <HOLD> in the <CHAIN> until, say, a <GATE IN> is
sensed.
or a <HOLD/LOOP> that repeats the <CHAIN> over and over until <GATE IN> is
active, then it proceeds.

OR, a more bizarre <FORK>, which means if <GATE IN> is active *at that
time*, go on, else
branch to another <CHAIN>. Or a <HOLD CC>, which releases the <HOLD> if a
MIDI CC message is active........

The joys of the lowly microprocessor. Take *that*, lowy Moog 960.

Paul S.

> From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
>
> There are 99 memorys (#1-99). The length is set to say 16. You twiddle

the

> 16 pots
> to the correct voltages, press <STORE>. (You 'alpha' in the location with
> the data entry knob).
>
> A <CHAIN> is another memory, that stores sequences of memory locations. A
> <CHAIN> might be:
>
> 1-2-45-3-74-1-70.
>
> In other words, it plays the notes in #1, followed by #2, followed by

#45,

> etc.
>
> Of course, we could place a <HOLD> in the <CHAIN> until, say, a <GATE IN>

is

> sensed.
> or a <HOLD/LOOP> that repeats the <CHAIN> over and over until <GATE IN>

is

> active, then it proceeds.

I REALLY like the sound of this type.
Stooge LH

>
> OR, a more bizarre <FORK>, which means if <GATE IN> is active *at that
> time*, go on, else
> branch to another <CHAIN>. Or a <HOLD CC>, which releases the <HOLD> if

a

> MIDI CC message is active........
>
> The joys of the lowly microprocessor. Take *that*, lowy Moog 960.
>
> Paul S.
>
>
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>From: "J. Larry Hendry" <jlarryh@...>
>
>> From: "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
>>
>> There are 99 memorys (#1-99). The length is set to say 16. You twiddle
>the
>> 16 pots
>> to the correct voltages, press <STORE>. (You 'alpha' in the location with
>> the data entry knob).
>>
>> A <CHAIN> is another memory, that stores sequences of memory locations. A
>> <CHAIN> might be:
>>
>> 1-2-45-3-74-1-70.
>>
>> In other words, it plays the notes in #1, followed by #2, followed by
>#45,
>> etc.
>>
>> Of course, we could place a <HOLD> in the <CHAIN> until, say, a <GATE IN>
>is
>> sensed.
>> or a <HOLD/LOOP> that repeats the <CHAIN> over and over until <GATE IN>
>is
>> active, then it proceeds.
>
>I REALLY like the sound of this type.
>Stooge LH

Me Too!!!

>> OR, a more bizarre <FORK>, which means if <GATE IN> is active *at that
>> time*, go on, else
>> branch to another <CHAIN>. Or a <HOLD CC>, which releases the <HOLD> if
>a
>> MIDI CC message is active........
>>
>> The joys of the lowly microprocessor. Take *that*, lowy Moog 960.

What commands will there be?

<STORE>
<CHAIN>
<HOLD>
<HOLD/LOOP>
<FORK>
what else?

Will there be programmable algorithms for looped chains? Conditional
(<FORK>) chains within chains? I REALLY like this!

-Doug
ceres@...

P.S. Paul & Larry - did this message go through to the list? I seem to be
having trouble with Onelist ...

The latest edition of SOS has just hit the streets, and it contains a
review of Analogue Solutions Concussor percussion modular/sequencer.

I haven't any experience of analogue sequencers yet, but they describe
in the review the fact that most sequencers RESET function resets the
sequencer to step 1, which means that the first note played will be step
2. The concussor resets to step 16, so step 1 will be the first note
played. Seems like common sense to me, but they say it is the only
sequencer that does it.

So, which step will Daughter of MOAS reset to???

BTW, SOS gave the Concussor a whopping 6 pages. I think MOTM fans would
be happy with that.

Cheers,
Andy.

Andy Finch schrieb:

> From: Andy Finch <andyfinch@...>
>
> The latest edition of SOS has just hit the streets, and it contains a
> review of Analogue Solutions Concussor percussion modular/sequencer.
>
> I haven't any experience of analogue sequencers yet, but they describe
> in the review the fact that most sequencers RESET function resets the
> sequencer to step 1, which means that the first note played will be step
> 2. The concussor resets to step 16, so step 1 will be the first note
> played. Seems like common sense to me, but they say it is the only
> sequencer that does it.
>
> So, which step will Daughter of MOAS reset to???
>
> BTW, SOS gave the Concussor a whopping 6 pages. I think MOTM fans would
> be happy with that.
>
> Cheers,
> Andy.
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correct me if i am wrong but i think this is a myth,
on my SQ10 theres nothing like this