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Kick in the...

2013-06-06 by Doug Wellington

> Maybe we can give this a kick in The ASS!!!

LOL! Now I'm thinking about that old line: "As busy as a one-legged man
in an ass-kicking contest..."

> Somebody has to go *first*!

OK, so, riddle me this, is MOTM 5U a dead format? Why or why not?

For me, I'm pretty much a pure solder-everything-together-myself kind of
guy. That's a huge part of why I got interested in this format. When
it looked like Paul was going to discontinue kits, I went on an ordering
frenzy. I think I have at least two of almost everything Paul ever sold
(along with most of the Tellun stuff, a bunch of Blacet, etc). I don't
really need more of the existing modules, but I would love to see new
ones. (MOTM 4.0 anybody?)

I'm just not interested in pre-assembled modules. I'm guessing I'm in
the minority on this?

Re: Kick in the...

2013-06-06 by Abraham Ingle

I'm a "young guy" (33) in Portland and I love MOTM.
Up here we have COntrol Voltage, a store that sells analog and modular synths - but just Eurorack.
I think that my peers, who are buying Eurorack, will want to move into MOTM. When they see my modest system they get excited, because it looks like the Modulars they drooled over when they were kids.

If modular as a format can make a comeback, then it seems to me that it will lead to MOTM making a comeback. MOTM has a uniform, classic look. Big meaty controls. And "no-nonsense" modules. When I go into Control Voltage to check things out - I can't even tell what most Euro modules even do, and then it turns out they are just very complicated envelope generators.


ABRAHAM INGLE 



Re: [motm] Kick in the...

2013-06-06 by George Kisslak

Hardly dead IMO. E.g. Oakley still going along fine making good stuff.

I am of the same ilk, chose MOTM for semi-DIY back in 2002. #2 choice was Blacet but a) I preferred the bigger format based on what I lusted over when I was younger, and b) the MOTM list had much more interesting discussions.

Unfortunately many of the modules I lusted after never saw the light of day, the DoMOAS sequencer, the dual pan/fade VCA (this -><- close), any of the other CS-80 old crow modules, and the Rhythm Wheel sounded cool. It would be wonderful if MOTM 4.0 went back to 1.0, but that's a pipe dream.

George

On Jun 6, 2013, at 1:28 PM, Doug Wellington wrote:

>
>> Maybe we can give this a kick in The ASS!!!
>
> LOL! Now I'm thinking about that old line: "As busy as a one-legged man
> in an ass-kicking contest..."
>
>> Somebody has to go *first*!
>
> OK, so, riddle me this, is MOTM 5U a dead format? Why or why not?
>
> For me, I'm pretty much a pure solder-everything-together-myself kind of
> guy. That's a huge part of why I got interested in this format. When
> it looked like Paul was going to discontinue kits, I went on an ordering
> frenzy. I think I have at least two of almost everything Paul ever sold
> (along with most of the Tellun stuff, a bunch of Blacet, etc). I don't
> really need more of the existing modules, but I would love to see new
> ones. (MOTM 4.0 anybody?)
>
> I'm just not interested in pre-assembled modules. I'm guessing I'm in
> the minority on this?
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Re: [motm] Kick in the...

2013-06-06 by eric

Old Crow is currently offering a CS-80 VCO and the other bandpass filter:
 
There's plenty of fine projects from Bridechamber and SynthCube with more on the way from the latter.  And, as you note, superb offerings from Oakley.
 

From: George Kisslak <groovyshaman@...>
To: Doug Wellington <doug@...>
Cc: motm@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [motm] Kick in the...
 
Hardly dead IMO. E.g. Oakley still going along fine making good stuff.

I am of the same ilk, chose MOTM for semi-DIY back in 2002. #2 choice was Blacet but a) I preferred the bigger format based on what I lusted over when I was younger, and b) the MOTM list had much more interesting discussions.

Unfortunately many of the modules I lusted after never saw the light of day, the DoMOAS sequencer, the dual pan/fade VCA (this -><- close), any of the other CS-80 old crow modules, and the Rhythm Wheel sounded cool. It would be wonderful if MOTM 4.0 went back to 1.0, but that's a pipe dream.

George

On Jun 6, 2013, at 1:28 PM, Doug Wellington wrote:

>
>> Maybe we can give this a kick in The ASS!!!
>
> LOL! Now I'm thinking about that old line: "As busy as a one-legged man
> in an ass-kicking contest..."
>
>> Somebody has to go *first*!
>
> OK, so, riddle me this, is MOTM 5U a dead format? Why or why not?
>
> For me, I'm pretty much a pure solder-everything-together-myself kind of
> guy. That's a huge part of why I got interested in this format. When
> it looked like Paul was going to discontinue kits, I went on an ordering
> frenzy. I think I have at least two of almost everything Paul ever sold
> (along with most of the Tellun stuff, a bunch of Blacet, etc). I don't
> really need more of the existing modules, but I would love to see new
> ones. (MOTM 4.0 anybody?)
>
> I'm just not interested in pre-assembled modules. I'm guessing I'm in
> the minority on this?
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Re: [motm] Kick in the...

2013-06-06 by George Kisslak

Damn I hadn't checked his site in a while, he's got the BP filter and the VCO.  Thanks for the tip!

George

On Jun 6, 2013, at 2:08 PM, eric wrote:

Old Crow is currently offering a CS-80 VCO and the other bandpass filter:
 
There's plenty of fine projects from Bridechamber and SynthCube with more on the way from the latter.  And, as you note, superb offerings from Oakley.
 

From: George Kisslak <groovyshaman@...>
To: Doug Wellington <doug@...>
Cc: motm@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [motm] Kick in the...
 
Hardly dead IMO. E.g. Oakley still going along fine making good stuff.

I am of the same ilk, chose MOTM for semi-DIY back in 2002. #2 choice was Blacet but a) I preferred the bigger format based on what I lusted over when I was younger, and b) the MOTM list had much more interesting discussions.

Unfortunately many of the modules I lusted after never saw the light of day, the DoMOAS sequencer, the dual pan/fade VCA (this -><- close), any of the other CS-80 old crow modules, and the Rhythm Wheel sounded cool. It would be wonderful if MOTM 4.0 went back to 1.0, but that's a pipe dream.

George

On Jun 6, 2013, at 1:28 PM, Doug Wellington wrote:

>
>> Maybe we can give this a kick in The ASS!!!
>
> LOL! Now I'm thinking about that old line: "As busy as a one-legged man
> in an ass-kicking contest..."
>
>> Somebody has to go *first*!
>
> OK, so, riddle me this, is MOTM 5U a dead format? Why or why not?
>
> For me, I'm pretty much a pure solder-everything-together-myself kind of
> guy. That's a huge part of why I got interested in this format. When
> it looked like Paul was going to discontinue kits, I went on an ordering
> frenzy. I think I have at least two of almost everything Paul ever sold
> (along with most of the Tellun stuff, a bunch of Blacet, etc). I don't
> really need more of the existing modules, but I would love to see new
> ones. (MOTM 4.0 anybody?)
>
> I'm just not interested in pre-assembled modules. I'm guessing I'm in
> the minority on this?
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>


Re: [motm] Kick in the...

2013-06-06 by Jason Proctor

i do get the feeling that all the new stuff comes out in Euro first and only occasionally makes it to 5U - and even then, in PCB or kit form. are we likely to see the MakeNoise Rene sequencer and suchlike in 5U? probably not.

5U is the best DIY format, for sure. one major reason i picked it, years ago. but once other things encroached on my time to the point where the time vs money curve was hard to justify, and i needed a programmable synth and a good input chain for the stuff i was working on, i basically let it go for a Minimoog, nice preamps, nice compressor, etc.

another thing i wanted from modular that 5U never seemed to deliver was portability. i wanted a machine that i could sit with in the dining room, rather than having to go into the temple and worship at the altar of my huge telco rack. and i'm convinced that vertical modules cause RSI.

so now i have a few regular synths and, because i missed the mess of cables and craziness, an embryonic Euro modular, whose mission is focused-chaos, and whose size is constrained by a the wonderfully portable Tiptop Station 252. that's it, the whole thing has to fit in there. no sprawl - unless i really can't do what i need to in that size (and if that happens i should just develop some skill!).

i wish 5U was the standard that Euro is, for sure. apart from Doepfer etc, there's not much difference in the cost, IMHO, but the physical size does make a big distinction.






On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:17 AM, George Kisslak <groovyshaman@...> wrote:


Damn I hadn't checked his site in a while, he's got the BP filter and the VCO.  Thanks for the tip!

George

On Jun 6, 2013, at 2:08 PM, eric wrote:

Old Crow is currently offering a CS-80 VCO and the other bandpass filter:
 
There's plenty of fine projects from Bridechamber and SynthCube with more on the way from the latter.  And, as you note, superb offerings from Oakley.
 

From: George Kisslak <groovyshaman@...>
To: Doug Wellington <doug@...>
Cc: motm@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [motm] Kick in the...
 
Hardly dead IMO. E.g. Oakley still going along fine making good stuff.

I am of the same ilk, chose MOTM for semi-DIY back in 2002. #2 choice was Blacet but a) I preferred the bigger format based on what I lusted over when I was younger, and b) the MOTM list had much more interesting discussions.

Unfortunately many of the modules I lusted after never saw the light of day, the DoMOAS sequencer, the dual pan/fade VCA (this -><- close), any of the other CS-80 old crow modules, and the Rhythm Wheel sounded cool. It would be wonderful if MOTM 4.0 went back to 1.0, but that's a pipe dream.

George

On Jun 6, 2013, at 1:28 PM, Doug Wellington wrote:

>
>> Maybe we can give this a kick in The ASS!!!
>
> LOL! Now I'm thinking about that old line: "As busy as a one-legged man
> in an ass-kicking contest..."
>
>> Somebody has to go *first*!
>
> OK, so, riddle me this, is MOTM 5U a dead format? Why or why not?
>
> For me, I'm pretty much a pure solder-everything-together-myself kind of
> guy. That's a huge part of why I got interested in this format. When
> it looked like Paul was going to discontinue kits, I went on an ordering
> frenzy. I think I have at least two of almost everything Paul ever sold
> (along with most of the Tellun stuff, a bunch of Blacet, etc). I don't
> really need more of the existing modules, but I would love to see new
> ones. (MOTM 4.0 anybody?)
>
> I'm just not interested in pre-assembled modules. I'm guessing I'm in
> the minority on this?
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>





Re: [motm] Kick in the...

2013-06-07 by Suit & Tie Guy

On Jun 6, 2013, at 12:28 PM, Doug Wellington wrote:
> OK, so, riddle me this, is MOTM 5U a dead format? Why or why not?

i stopped building in MOTM format because i had more complaints about the way my modules looked than purchases.

believe it or not, attitudes like that drive new developers away.
---
Suit & Tie Guy
suitandtieguy.com
stgsoundlabs.com


Sent from my LG Touchpoint 1100

RE: [motm] Kick in the...

2013-06-14 by Doug Wellington

> Unfortunately many of the modules I lusted after never saw the light of day, the DoMOAS sequencer, the dual pan/fade VCA (this -><- close), any of the other CS-80 old crow modules, and the Rhythm Wheel sounded cool.

So, I started to look back through the archives a bit to find out more
about MOAS, DoMOAS, Super Moe, etc. I hope you'll forgive me if I
missed something; there are over 34000 messages in the list and I
haven't read every one of them. (There are over 1700 hits just for the
search "sequencer".) Did anyone ever get to the prototyping stage for
any of these ideas? Were there ever any actual circuit designs?

BTW, is there a better way to search the list than with the yahoo web
page? It only returns ten messages at a time...

Re: [motm] Kick in the...

2013-06-14 by eric

Years ago I approached Dave about funding a Super Moe prototype, but at that point he was losing interest.
 
The MOTM-600 made a NAMM appearance but never went into production. Paul has teased it once a year ever since, but I lost faith long ago. 
 
You might want to look at the MFOS sequencer; Bridechamber has panels.  There's also some interesting offerings from Modcan and (if you can dip into MU) Moon Modular.
 

From: Doug Wellington <doug@...>
To: motm@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 7:22 PM
Subject: RE: [motm] Kick in the...
 

> Unfortunately many of the modules I lusted after never saw the light of day, the DoMOAS sequencer, the dual pan/fade VCA (this -><- close), any of the other CS-80 old crow modules, and the Rhythm Wheel sounded cool.

So, I started to look back through the archives a bit to find out more
about MOAS, DoMOAS, Super Moe, etc. I hope you'll forgive me if I
missed something; there are over 34000 messages in the list and I
haven't read every one of them. (There are over 1700 hits just for the
search "sequencer".) Did anyone ever get to the prototyping stage for
any of these ideas? Were there ever any actual circuit designs?

BTW, is there a better way to search the list than with the yahoo web
page? It only returns ten messages at a time...

RE: [motm] Kick in the...

2013-06-14 by Doug Wellington

> Years ago I approached Dave about funding a Super Moe prototype, but at that point he was losing interest.
>  
> The MOTM-600 made a NAMM appearance but never went into production. Paul has teased it once a year ever since, but I lost faith long ago. 
>  
> You might want to look at the MFOS sequencer; Bridechamber has panels.  There's also some interesting offerings from Modcan and (if you can dip into MU) Moon Modular.

Thanks Eric, I already have a few sequencers (MIDIbox, P3, MAQ16/3,
Milton, Klee). If you want the ultimate DIY MIDI sequencer, I think
MIDIbox is definitely the answer and can be built for less than what a
MOTM 600 might cost. The MAQ16/3 is pretty close to what I want for my
modular, but I would prefer something more "analog" like the Milton.
I've already made different bank boards for my Milton so that I can have
different length sequences (bank one with sixteen steps, bank two with
seven, etc), but I'd like to find something that has a lot more power.
(e.g. what about each bank having its own clock divider/multiplier that
can be changed on the fly?)