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From: Matthew Hiscock

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Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 10:33 AM

Subject: Re: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?

Shudder to think how much it would cost but a CV sampler would be a dream come true.

On 26-Apr-10, at 11:26 AM, Thomas White wrote:

CG with Expansion Module

Morphing Terrarium

Stereo Chorus/flanger module (you know you could do thus one proper too!)

CV Digital Delay

Triple Pre Amp

CV controlled sampler (4 samples with trig in's to play, and looping mode controlled by analog clock input... Hey, no harm in hoping)

High quality CV controlled Software Reverb

Thomas White

Natural Rhythm Music

www.naturalrhythmmusic.com

On Apr 26, 2010, at 8:16 AM, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@airmail.net> wrote:

So, here is you chance to tell me what *exactly* you would buy, fully
assembled in SMT glory.

I'm all ears. Analog, digital, optical, whatever.

Paul S.

From: Paul Schreiber <synth1@...>
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Sent: Mon, April 26, 2010 10:16:57 AM
Subject: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?

  
So, here is you chance to tell me what *exactly* you would buy, fully 
assembled in SMT glory.

I'm all ears. Analog, digital, optical, whatever.

Paul S.

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Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 11:17 AM
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Subject: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?

 

  

So, here is you chance to tell me what *exactly* you would buy, fully 
assembled in SMT glory.

I'm all ears. Analog, digital, optical, whatever.

Paul S.

From: Paul Schreiber
Subject: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?
To: "MOTM List"
Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 11:16 AM

So, here is you chance to tell me what *exactly* you would buy, fully
assembled in SMT glory.

I'm all ears. Analog, digital, optical, whatever.

Paul S.



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From: Miguel Mendoza <miguel@...>
Subject: Re: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?
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Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 9:19 AM


  




I'll buy one. I just bought an Empress SuperDelay, nice features like reverse delay, looper, tape delay emulation, tap tempo, etc. I'd love to have something like this in my modular.
 
Cheers!
 
Miguel.




From: Paul Schreiber 
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?

  


FYI:
 
Eric & I (with Robert Rich) are poking at going a high-end digital delay with nifty features. Memory is pretty cheap, it can also be a looper (like 16 seconds of 96KHz audio at 24-bits).
 
Paul S.

From: Miguel Mendoza <miguel@...>
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Sent: Mon, April 26, 2010 12:19:55 PM
Subject: Re: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?

  
I'll buy one. I just bought an Empress SuperDelay, nice 
features like reverse delay, looper, tape delay emulation, tap tempo, etc. I'd 
love to have something like this in my modular.
 
Cheers!
 
Miguel.


From: Paul Schreiber 
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:54 PM
To: MOTM-list 
Subject: Re: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy 
assembled?
  
FYI:
 
Eric & I (with Robert Rich) are poking at going 
a high-end digital delay with nifty features. Memory is pretty cheap, it can 
also be a looper (like 16 seconds of 96KHz audio at 24-bits).
 
Paul S.

From: groovyshaman
Subject: Re: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?
To: "MOTM List" , "Paul Schreiber"
Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 11:58 AM

Morphing Terrarium
Cloud Generator w/expansion module
Rhythm Wheel
SEM Filter
Full Featured MOTM Sequencer - MOAS or DOMOAS
Any CV Digital Delay / Reverb / Chorus / Phaser / Flanger / Sampler / Echo

There might have been a few other cool MOTM-500 series planned way back but I can't remember them all right now.

I'd include MOTM-450 but looks like JH may have that taken care of.

George


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From: Paul Schreiber
Subject: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?
To: "MOTM List"
Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 11:16 AM

So, here is you chance to tell me what *exactly* you would buy, fully
assembled in SMT glory.

I'm all ears. Analog, digital, optical, whatever.

Paul S.



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> So, here is you chance to tell me what *exactly* you would buy, fully 
> assembled in SMT glory.
> 
> I'm all ears. Analog, digital, optical, whatever.
> 
> Paul S.
>

From: Paul Schreiber <synth1@...>
Subject: Re: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?
To: "MOTM-list" <motm@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 8:54 AM


  




FYI:
 
Eric & I (with Robert Rich) are poking at going a high-end digital delay with nifty features. Memory is pretty cheap, it can also be a looper (like 16 seconds of 96KHz audio at 24-bits).
 
Paul S.

>
> So, here is you chance to tell me what *exactly* you would buy, fully 
> assembled in SMT glory.
> 
> I'm all ears. Analog, digital, optical, whatever.
> 
> Paul S.
>

From: groovyshaman <groovyshaman@...>
Subject: Re: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?
To: "MOTM List" <motm@yahoogroups.com>, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 9:30 AM


  







Ok I found my master list.  Seems every year or so I need to republish a revised version. :)

SMT pre-built I'd buy:

Morphing Terrarium
MOTM-102 Noise/ASR
MOTM-520 Cloud Generator w/521
MOTM-530 Envelope Nest (bizarre EG)
MOTM-540 Munging Decimator (VC bit-rate reduction)
MOTM-550 Rhythm Wheel (Seq/ASR/S&H w/pattern gen)
Any CV Digital Delay, Reverb, Chorus, Phaser, Flanger, Sampler, Echo

Old but likely resurrect-able in SMT that I'd buy:

MOTM-125 Pulse Width Multiplier
Dual 10000ms Delay (discussed 8/19/00)
DoMOAS (Daughter of Mother of all Sequencers)
VC Phase Shifter
Synthtech Vocoder

Died a horrible death - that I wanted to buy (sigh):

MOTM-130 Dual Pan/Fade VCA (so close!)
MOTM-180 Triple Preamp
MOTM-450 Fixed Filter Bank (ugh)
MOTM-460 ARP 2600-4072 VCF
MOTM-470 SEM VCF w/morphing output
MOTM-600 uSequencer (double ugh)
MOTM-810 JH's VC EG
MOTM-840 Envelope Follower/Compressor
MOTM-880 VC Filter Envelope Generator (CS-80)
Matrix-12 15-Mode VCF
Bi-Phase Clone
Joystick Interface
Random Vibrato Source (discussed 11/23/00)

George

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From: groovyshaman <groovyshaman@ snet.net>
Subject: Re: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?
To: "MOTM List" <motm@yahoogroups. com>, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@airmail. net>
Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 11:58 AM








Morphing Terrarium
Cloud Generator w/expansion module
Rhythm Wheel
SEM Filter
Full Featured MOTM Sequencer - MOAS or DOMOAS
Any CV Digital Delay / Reverb / Chorus / Phaser / Flanger / Sampler / Echo

There might have been a few other cool MOTM-500 series planned way back but I can't remember them all right now.

I'd include MOTM-450 but looks like JH may have that taken care of.

George


--- On Mon, 4/26/10, Paul Schreiber <synth1@airmail. net> wrote:


From: Paul Schreiber <synth1@airmail. net>
Subject: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?
To: "MOTM List" <motm@yahoogroups. com>
Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 11:16 AM


So, here is you chance to tell me what *exactly* you would buy, fully 
assembled in SMT glory.

I'm all ears. Analog, digital, optical, whatever.

Paul S.



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>
> So, here is you chance to tell me what *exactly* you would buy, fully 
> assembled in SMT glory.
> 
> I'm all ears. Analog, digital, optical, whatever.
> 
> Paul S.
>

>
> I need more 'unconventional' modules.
>

> Shudder to think how much it would cost but a CV sampler would be a 
> dream come true.
>
> On 26-Apr-10, at 11:26 AM, Thomas White wrote:
>
>>
>> CG with Expansion Module
>> Morphing Terrarium
>> Stereo Chorus/flanger module (you know you could do thus one proper too!)
>> CV Digital Delay
>> Triple Pre Amp
>> CV controlled sampler (4 samples with trig in's to play, and looping 
>> mode controlled by analog clock input... Hey, no harm in hoping)
>> High quality CV controlled Software Reverb
>>
>>
>> Thomas White
>> Natural Rhythm Music
>> www.naturalrhythmmu sic.com <http://www.naturalrhythmmusic.com>
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2010, at 8:16 AM, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@airmail. net 
>> <mailto:synth1@...>> wrote:
>>
>>> So, here is you chance to tell me what *exactly* you would buy, fully
>>> assembled in SMT glory.
>>>
>>> I'm all ears. Analog, digital, optical, whatever.
>>>
>>> Paul S.
>>>
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From: "Richard Bartz" <RICHARD@...>
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 9:09 PM
To: <motm@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?

> Same need here :-) My favourite Sampler is the Akai S612. The
> start/splice functionality is a dream. When I could get the possibility
> to control that features by CV and sending that loops through some
> filters hundrets of hours of pure happiness would be guaranteed !
>
> Richard Bartz
>
>
>
> Matthew Hiscock schrieb:
>> Shudder to think how much it would cost but a CV sampler would be a
>> dream come true.
>>
>> On 26-Apr-10, at 11:26 AM, Thomas White wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> CG with Expansion Module
>>> Morphing Terrarium
>>> Stereo Chorus/flanger module (you know you could do thus one proper 
>>> too!)
>>> CV Digital Delay
>>> Triple Pre Amp
>>> CV controlled sampler (4 samples with trig in's to play, and looping
>>> mode controlled by analog clock input... Hey, no harm in hoping)
>>> High quality CV controlled Software Reverb
>>>
>>>
>>> Thomas White
>>> Natural Rhythm Music
>>> www.naturalrhythmmu sic.com <http://www.naturalrhythmmusic.com>
>>>
>>> On Apr 26, 2010, at 8:16 AM, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@airmail. net
>>> <mailto:synth1@...>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So, here is you chance to tell me what *exactly* you would buy, fully
>>>> assembled in SMT glory.
>>>>
>>>> I'm all ears. Analog, digital, optical, whatever.
>>>>
>>>> Paul S.
>>>>
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On 26 Apr 2010, at 22:36, Miguel Mendoza wrote:

>
> Nice demo, I never used the 730 like that.
>
> Speaking about marketing, I think that if MOTM 5U should have a good  
> distributor in Europe things would be different. Many friends of  
> mine freak out when they see and hear my system but they decide to  
> start with something 'easier' to get.
>
>
>
> From: jfm3
> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 10:27 PM
> To: MOTM List
> Subject: Re: [motm] Re: OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?
>
>
> >>>>> Scott Deyo <contact@bridechamber.com> writes:
>
> > Your decision to concentrate on Euro is a good business decision,
> > and one that lots of folks are making. Euro is smaller, cheaper, has
> > a vastly larger market, and, really, has lower expectations to meet.
> > That being said, please please please stay strong in 5U. I think the
> > MT and CG will sell very very well. The Pulse Divider may not have
> > done as well because it is seen as a utility timing module, and as
> > such seemed like a lot of ching for utility. I doubt it will reflect
> > on the sales of the MT and CG at all.
>
> Couldn't have said it better myself.
>
> I can't help but think most of it is marketing. The pulse divider has
> more strange noise in it than any four Euro modules with messy paint
> jobs you care to choose.
>
> This isn't bug music by a long shot, but it should get you thinking:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI8CkYrcJfc
>
>
>

On 4/26/10 11:16 AM, Paul Schreiber wrote:
> So, here is you chance to tell me what *exactly* you would buy, fully
> assembled in SMT glory.
>
> I'm all ears. Analog, digital, optical, whatever.
>
> Paul S.
>
>
>

> So, here is you chance to tell me what *exactly* you would buy, fully 
> assembled in SMT glory.
>
> I'm all ears. Analog, digital, optical, whatever.
>
> Paul S.
>
>
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-----Original Message-----
From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Schreiber
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 11:17 AM
To: MOTM List
Subject: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?

So, here is you chance to tell me what *exactly* you would buy, fully 
assembled in SMT glory.

I'm all ears. Analog, digital, optical, whatever.

Paul S.



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-----Original Message-----
From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg
James
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 11:18 PM
To: 'Paul Schreiber'; 'MOTM List'
Subject: [motm] Wish list and normalling - was OK...so what WILL you buy
assembled?

Not necessarily in priority order:

Cloud Generator with Expander
Triple Pre-Amp
VCA with Pan/Fade
Bi-Phase Clone
Sequencer
Matrix-12 VCF
Morphing Terrarium

Additive Synthesis sound sources
Physical Modeling sound sources

I'd also be interested in any super-duper exotic CV-oriented modules (as has
been alluded to by others).

This is an idea I've been noodling on for some time now (Paul knows why):

I would like to retro-fit my modules with add-on kits to normal my system.
I'm envisioning something like daughterboards along with new switching jacks
that could be substituted for the standard jacks. Think of Pot Chicklets on
steroids. Then, with modular wiring inside the cabinet, I can set up
whatever normalled configuration I want. Since it's configurable, it can be
changed to suit my tastes as time goes by (and by, and by). In my situation
I also need a way to bus the normalling to several cases. And voilla! The
badest ARP 2600 in the universe.

I guess my point here is: there can be lots more to these modulars than just
the modules we tend to think of.

-Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Schreiber
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 11:17 AM
To: MOTM List
Subject: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?

So, here is you chance to tell me what *exactly* you would buy, fully 
assembled in SMT glory.

I'm all ears. Analog, digital, optical, whatever.

Paul S.



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>> I would like to retro-fit my modules with add-on kits to normal my system.
>> I'm envisioning something like daughterboards along with new switching 
>> jacks
>> that could be substituted for the standard jacks. Think of Pot Chicklets 
>> on
>> steroids.
>>     
>
> The easiest way to do this is get the Switchraft vertical, pc board mounted 
> switching jacks: part # 112APCX and then make a 2 row x 4 jack board (like 
> what I do on the MOTM-910 mults now). But if you want to leave the output 
> alone and just "selectively" switch certain jacks then a steroid chicklet 
> with this jack might be the ticket. Paging John Loffink......
>
> All the current MOTM jacks are switchable/can be normalled.
>
> Some modules (like the MOTM-410) use the switched circuit to "clever ends".
>
> Paul S.
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From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Miguel
Mendoza
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 2:37 PM
To: MOTM List
Subject: Re: [motm] Re: OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?

 

Nice demo, I never used the 730 like that. 

 

 

From: jfm3 <mailto:jfm3@...>  

Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 10:27 PM

To: MOTM <mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com>  List 

Subject: Re: [motm] Re: OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?

I can't help but think most of it is marketing. The pulse divider has
more strange noise in it than any four Euro modules with messy paint
jobs you care to choose.

This isn't bug music by a long shot, but it should get you thinking:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI8CkYrcJfc

From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
groovyshaman
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 9:31 AM
To: MOTM List; Paul Schreiber
Subject: Re: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?

 







Ok I found my master list.  Seems every year or so I need to republish a
revised version. :)

SMT pre-built I'd buy:

Morphing Terrarium
MOTM-102 Noise/ASR
MOTM-520 Cloud Generator w/521
MOTM-530 Envelope Nest (bizarre EG)
MOTM-540 Munging Decimator (VC bit-rate reduction)
MOTM-550 Rhythm Wheel (Seq/ASR/S&H w/pattern gen)
Any CV Digital Delay, Reverb, Chorus, Phaser, Flanger, Sampler, Echo

Old but likely resurrect-able in SMT that I'd buy:

MOTM-125 Pulse Width Multiplier
Dual 10000ms Delay (discussed 8/19/00)
DoMOAS (Daughter of Mother of all Sequencers)
VC Phase Shifter
Synthtech Vocoder

Died a horrible death - that I wanted to buy (sigh):

MOTM-130 Dual Pan/Fade VCA (so close!)
MOTM-180 Triple Preamp
MOTM-450 Fixed Filter Bank (ugh)
MOTM-460 ARP 2600-4072 VCF
MOTM-470 SEM VCF w/morphing output
MOTM-600 uSequencer (double ugh)
MOTM-810 JH's VC EG
MOTM-840 Envelope Follower/Compressor
MOTM-880 VC Filter Envelope Generator (CS-80)
Matrix-12 15-Mode VCF
Bi-Phase Clone
Joystick Interface
Random Vibrato Source (discussed 11/23/00)

George

--- On Mon, 4/26/10, groovyshaman <groovyshaman@...> wrote:


From: groovyshaman <groovyshaman@...>
Subject: Re: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?
To: "MOTM List" <motm@yahoogroups.com>, "Paul Schreiber"
<synth1@...>
Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 11:58 AM

 


Morphing Terrarium
Cloud Generator w/expansion module
Rhythm Wheel
SEM Filter
Full Featured MOTM Sequencer - MOAS or DOMOAS
Any CV Digital Delay / Reverb / Chorus / Phaser / Flanger / Sampler / Echo

There might have been a few other cool MOTM-500 series planned way back but
I can't remember them all right now.

I'd include MOTM-450 but looks like JH may have that taken care of.

George


--- On Mon, 4/26/10, Paul Schreiber <synth1@...> wrote:


From: Paul Schreiber <synth1@...>
Subject: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?
To: "MOTM List" <motm@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 11:16 AM

So, here is you chance to tell me what *exactly* you would buy, fully 
assembled in SMT glory.

I'm all ears. Analog, digital, optical, whatever.

Paul S.



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From: John L Rice <Drummer@...>
Subject: RE: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?
To: "'MOTM List'" <motm@yahoogroups.com>, "'Paul Schreiber'" <synth1@...>
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 3:48 AM










        


 
 
















Thanks for asking for opinions Paul and thanks for the archived list
George! ;-) 

   

Kit, prebuilt SMT or even grown in dirt (so long as I don’t
have to water it! ;-) is fine with me. 

   

Most of the stuff on the list sounds cool and interesting to me!
I’m especially interested in sequencers, arpeggiators, anything clockable,
triggerable, or manipulates clocks! I like filters and sound sources too! Heh!
I want the little BPF! AND WHAT THE FREAKIN’ HELL IS THE DoMOAS
(Daughter of Mother of all Sequencers)???????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
We never sees it, but we wantses its! (sounds precious!!!!!!!!!!) And the MOTM-550
Rhythm Wheel (Seq/ASR/S&H w/pattern gen) too! Man! Make me one please! 

   

John L Rice



 

   







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Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 9:31 AM

To: MOTM List; Paul Schreiber

Subject: Re: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled? 





   







 


 
  
  Ok I found my master list.  Seems every year or so I
  need to republish a revised version. :)

  

  SMT pre-built I'd buy:

  

  Morphing Terrarium

  MOTM-102 Noise/ASR

  MOTM-520 Cloud Generator w/521

  MOTM-530 Envelope Nest (bizarre EG)

  MOTM-540 Munging Decimator (VC bit-rate reduction)

  MOTM-550 Rhythm Wheel (Seq/ASR/S&H w/pattern gen)

  Any CV Digital Delay, Reverb, Chorus, Phaser, Flanger, Sampler, Echo

  

  Old but likely resurrect-able in SMT that I'd buy:

  

  MOTM-125 Pulse Width Multiplier

  Dual 10000ms Delay (discussed 8/19/00)

  DoMOAS (Daughter of Mother of all Sequencers)

  VC Phase Shifter

  Synthtech Vocoder

  

  Died a horrible death - that I wanted to buy (sigh):

  

  MOTM-130 Dual Pan/Fade VCA (so close!)

  MOTM-180 Triple Preamp

  MOTM-450 Fixed Filter Bank (ugh)

  MOTM-460 ARP 2600-4072 VCF

  MOTM-470 SEM VCF w/morphing output

  MOTM-600 uSequencer (double ugh)

  MOTM-810 JH's VC EG

  MOTM-840 Envelope Follower/Compressor

  MOTM-880 VC Filter Envelope Generator (CS-80)

  Matrix-12 15-Mode VCF

  Bi-Phase Clone

  Joystick Interface

  Random Vibrato Source (discussed 11/23/00)

  

  George

  

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  wrote: 
  

  From: groovyshaman <groovyshaman@...>

  Subject: Re: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?

  To: "MOTM List" <motm@yahoogroups.com>, "Paul
  Schreiber" <synth1@...>

  Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 11:58 AM 
  
     
  
   
    
    Morphing Terrarium

    Cloud Generator w/expansion module

    Rhythm Wheel

    SEM Filter

    Full Featured MOTM Sequencer - MOAS or DOMOAS

    Any CV Digital Delay / Reverb / Chorus / Phaser / Flanger / Sampler / Echo

    

    There might have been a few other cool MOTM-500 series planned way back but
    I can't remember them all right now.

    

    I'd include MOTM-450 but looks like JH may have that taken care of.

    

    George

    

    

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    wrote: 
    

    From: Paul Schreiber <synth1@...>

    Subject: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?

    To: "MOTM List" <motm@yahoogroups.com>

    Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 11:16 AM 
    
    So, here is you chance to
    tell me what *exactly* you would buy, fully 

    assembled in SMT glory.

    

    I'm all ears. Analog, digital, optical, whatever.

    

    Paul S.

    

    

    

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From: groovyshaman <groovyshaman@snet.net>
Subject: RE: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?
To: "'MOTM List'" <motm@yahoogroups.com>, "John L Rice" <Drummer@...>
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 10:34 AM










        




 












Jeeze I have not seen this much list traffic in years.  Yea John, the list of modules that have been discussed is pretty extensive, and many made it much further but still never saw the light of day, alas.  Of course I kept track of the potential upcoming modules because, like crack, you must manage your money wisely or you'll miss out. :)  Re DoMOAS, check back in the archives towards the beginning I believe there may be some discussion.  In the end it became a collection of modules to build up your own sequencer with functional units separated out.  Stooge Moe at hotrodmotm.com took it to heart and came up with some interesting designs, he may offer more insight.

George

--- On Tue, 4/27/10, John L Rice <Drummer@ImJohn.com> wrote:

From: John L Rice <Drummer@...>
Subject: RE: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?
To: "'MOTM List'" <motm@...m>, "'Paul Schreiber'" <synth1@...>
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 3:48 AM









        


 
 
















Thanks for asking for opinions Paul and thanks for the archived list
George! ;-) 

   

Kit, prebuilt SMT or even grown in dirt (so long as I don’t
have to water it! ;-) is fine with me. 

   

Most of the stuff on the list sounds cool and interesting to me!
I’m especially interested in sequencers, arpeggiators, anything clockable,
triggerable, or manipulates clocks! I like filters and sound sources too! Heh!
I want the little BPF! AND WHAT THE FREAKIN’ HELL IS THE DoMOAS
(Daughter of Mother of all Sequencers)???????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
We never sees it, but we wantses its! (sounds precious!!!!!!!!!!) And the MOTM-550
Rhythm Wheel (Seq/ASR/S&H w/pattern gen) too! Man! Make me one please! 

   

John L Rice



 

   







From:
motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of groovyshaman

Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 9:31 AM

To: MOTM List; Paul Schreiber

Subject: Re: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled? 





   







 


 
  
  Ok I found my master list.  Seems every year or so I
  need to republish a revised version. :)

  

  SMT pre-built I'd buy:

  

  Morphing Terrarium

  MOTM-102 Noise/ASR

  MOTM-520 Cloud Generator w/521

  MOTM-530 Envelope Nest (bizarre EG)

  MOTM-540 Munging Decimator (VC bit-rate reduction)

  MOTM-550 Rhythm Wheel (Seq/ASR/S&H w/pattern gen)

  Any CV Digital Delay, Reverb, Chorus, Phaser, Flanger, Sampler, Echo

  

  Old but likely resurrect-able in SMT that I'd buy:

  

  MOTM-125 Pulse Width Multiplier

  Dual 10000ms Delay (discussed 8/19/00)

  DoMOAS (Daughter of Mother of all Sequencers)

  VC Phase Shifter

  Synthtech Vocoder

  

  Died a horrible death - that I wanted to buy (sigh):

  

  MOTM-130 Dual Pan/Fade VCA (so close!)

  MOTM-180 Triple Preamp

  MOTM-450 Fixed Filter Bank (ugh)

  MOTM-460 ARP 2600-4072 VCF

  MOTM-470 SEM VCF w/morphing output

  MOTM-600 uSequencer (double ugh)

  MOTM-810 JH's VC EG

  MOTM-840 Envelope Follower/Compressor

  MOTM-880 VC Filter Envelope Generator (CS-80)

  Matrix-12 15-Mode VCF

  Bi-Phase Clone

  Joystick Interface

  Random Vibrato Source (discussed 11/23/00)

  

  George

  

  --- On Mon, 4/26/10, groovyshaman <groovyshaman@...>
  wrote: 
  

  From: groovyshaman <groovyshaman@...>

  Subject: Re: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?

  To: "MOTM List" <motm@yahoogroups.com>, "Paul
  Schreiber" <synth1@...>

  Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 11:58 AM 
  
     
  
   
    
    Morphing Terrarium

    Cloud Generator w/expansion module

    Rhythm Wheel

    SEM Filter

    Full Featured MOTM Sequencer - MOAS or DOMOAS

    Any CV Digital Delay / Reverb / Chorus / Phaser / Flanger / Sampler / Echo

    

    There might have been a few other cool MOTM-500 series planned way back but
    I can't remember them all right now.

    

    I'd include MOTM-450 but looks like JH may have that taken care of.

    

    George

    

    

    --- On Mon, 4/26/10, Paul Schreiber <synth1@...>
    wrote: 
    

    From: Paul Schreiber <synth1@...>

    Subject: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?

    To: "MOTM List" <motm@yahoogroups.com>

    Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 11:16 AM 
    
    So, here is you chance to
    tell me what *exactly* you would buy, fully 

    assembled in SMT glory.

    

    I'm all ears. Analog, digital, optical, whatever.

    

    Paul S.

    

    

    

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> So, here is you chance to tell me what *exactly* you would buy, fully 
> assembled in SMT glory.
>
> I'm all ears. Analog, digital, optical, whatever.
>
> Paul S.
>
>
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

From: Paul Schreiber <synth1@...>
Subject: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?
To: "MOTM List" <motm@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 11:16 AM















 
 



  


    
      
      
      So, here is you chance to tell me what *exactly* you would buy, fully 

assembled in SMT glory.



I'm all ears. Analog, digital, optical, whatever.



Paul S.

On 4/27/10 8:31 PM, Jason Proctor wrote:
> PS it would be nice if the 102 triggered on the clock's rising edge.
> the 101 did it the other way, making sync with other clocked modules
> effectively impossible.
>
>
>
>

On 4/27/10 4:10 PM, Tom Adam wrote:
> Just wondering...
> What's so special about the Stereo panning VCA's?
> When I want to achieve this, I use 2 VCA's, an inverter module (part of
> the MOTM-410 OMS oakley thingie) and a CV.
> Or when just having fun, I use a MOTM-700...
> Come to think of it, there are several ways to achieve this.
>
> What feature makes this a much wanted module? What am I missing?
> Why would I put it on my want list knowing Paul has "limited time" for
> releasing new stuff?
>
> If it's just the matter of the 'amount of modules' used, expand your
> system. Paul would love to sell you some more VCA's/EG's or LFO's ;-)
>
>    James Elliott schreef:
>    
>> 2) Stereo/Panning VCA's
>>
>>
>>
>>      
> Cheers,
>
>

From: Tom Adam <tom.adam@...>
To: MOTM List <motm@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 3:10:05 PM
Subject: Panning VCA's was: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?

  
Just wondering...
What's so special about the Stereo panning VCA's?
When I want to achieve this, I use 2 VCA's, an inverter module (part of 
the MOTM-410 OMS oakley thingie) and a CV.
Or when just having fun, I use a MOTM-700...
Come to think of it, there are several ways to achieve this.

What feature makes this a much wanted module? What am I missing?
Why would I put it on my want list knowing Paul has "limited time" for 
releasing new stuff?

If it's just the matter of the 'amount of modules' used, expand your 
system. Paul would love to sell you some more VCA's/EG's or LFO's ;-)

James Elliott schreef:
> 2) Stereo/Panning VCA's
>
>
> 
Cheers,

-- 
ToAd
Tom.Adam@thebigear. be 
www.thebigear. be

> -----Original Message-----
> From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> rogerpellegrini
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 2:48 PM
> To: motm@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [motm] Re: Wish list and normalling - was OK...so what WILL
> you buy assembled?
> 
> I feel compelled to mention an important flaw with this poll.  The
> potential market for MOTM product can be thought of in a lot of
> different ways.  One way to look at it is to divide it into two groups:
> 
> (A) MOTM die-hards:  Comprised mostly of those who built modules from
> kits, this group would like to see a broad variety of modules to
> complete their MOTM system.  Modules that would allow them to perform
> functions that other modulars also perform (eg sequencers, envelope
> followers, preamps, etc).  This group is also likely to vote for
> putting choruses, delays, etc., into MOTM format for completeness,
> although these are also available elsewhere.  This is a shrinking
> group, not a growing group, because in the last few years it has been
> increasingly difficult to purchase enough modules to create a complete
> system that might attract the new customer.
> 
> (B) Everyone else who is interested in modulars:  They'd like to see
> something that's not available elsewhere, because if it is available
> elsewhere, they've already got one.  They may or may not need the
> module in MOTM 5U format.  They probably don't want to touch a
> soldering iron.  They likely expect timely delivery.
> 
> This poll, like others before it, will draw largely from group (A).
> Group (B), though a much larger potential market, is not well
> represented.
> 
> Reliance on polls like this results in business decisions to keep
> making hopelessly labor intensive kits or variations on utility or
> redundant modules that will sell in smaller and smaller numbers.
> 
> Here's an example:
> Paul S. wrote:
> >Modcan has a CV recorder already, 57B. It's $700.
> >I think Eric & I could do a better one for $499.
> 
> Are those Modcan 57B's flying off the shelves?  What unsatisfied demand
> would be uncovered by the cost savings?  This might satisfy some group
> A members, but would not be a money making project.
> 
> Likewise, the Noise/S&H module and the 1U BPF filter could only target
> group A and will not sell well.
> 
> Sorry to be so negative,
> Roger
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
>

>
> Why get a lag processor when you can use a filter? Why get a modular distortion unit when you can use guitar pedals? Why buy wave shapers when you can just mix an infinite amount of oscillator outputs together? Why oh why use 'this' instead of 'that'? I personally think it would be nice to have one module that fades between two sources by means of one (or two) control voltages across one or more outputs without the need for multiple separate VCA's and inverter modules. And the 700 does not achieve what I am seeking, it is a discreet switch, not a cross fader. I don't think this request is that far fetched considering Paul had mentioned in the past that he was going to build one. I imagine it must have been requested by a few people for him to even consider it.
> 
> I don't think questioning each other's desires will help Paul in his decision making as there will be at least one person who says, "I don't think you should release more filters" for each person who says they want another one. Same with sequencers, envelope generators, etc. Maybe a poll followed by a feature wishlist would be more useful?
> 
> -Jim
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Tom Adam <tom.adam@...>
> To: MOTM List <motm@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 3:10:05 PM
> Subject: Panning VCA's was: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?
> 
>   
> Just wondering...
> What's so special about the Stereo panning VCA's?
> When I want to achieve this, I use 2 VCA's, an inverter module (part of 
> the MOTM-410 OMS oakley thingie) and a CV.
> Or when just having fun, I use a MOTM-700...
> Come to think of it, there are several ways to achieve this.
> 
> What feature makes this a much wanted module? What am I missing?
> Why would I put it on my want list knowing Paul has "limited time" for 
> releasing new stuff?
> 
> If it's just the matter of the 'amount of modules' used, expand your 
> system. Paul would love to sell you some more VCA's/EG's or LFO's ;-)
> 
> James Elliott schreef:
> > 2) Stereo/Panning VCA's
> >
> >
> > 
> Cheers,
> 
> -- 
> ToAd
> Tom.Adam@thebigear. be 
> www.thebigear. be
>

>
> I feel compelled to mention an important flaw with this poll.  The potential market for MOTM product can be thought of in a lot of different ways.  One way to look at it is to divide it into two groups:
> 
> (A) MOTM die-hards:  Comprised mostly of those who built modules from kits, this group would like to see a broad variety of modules to complete their MOTM system.  Modules that would allow them to perform functions that other modulars also perform (eg sequencers, envelope followers, preamps, etc).  This group is also likely to vote for putting choruses, delays, etc., into MOTM format for completeness, although these are also available elsewhere.  This is a shrinking group, not a growing group, because in the last few years it has been increasingly difficult to purchase enough modules to create a complete system that might attract the new customer.
> 
> (B) Everyone else who is interested in modulars:  They'd like to see something that's not available elsewhere, because if it is available elsewhere, they've already got one.  They may or may not need the module in MOTM 5U format.  They probably don't want to touch a soldering iron.  They likely expect timely delivery.
> 
> This poll, like others before it, will draw largely from group (A).  Group (B), though a much larger potential market, is not well represented.
> 
> Reliance on polls like this results in business decisions to keep making hopelessly labor intensive kits or variations on utility or redundant modules that will sell in smaller and smaller numbers.
> 
> Here's an example:
> Paul S. wrote:
> >Modcan has a CV recorder already, 57B. It's $700.
> >I think Eric & I could do a better one for $499.
> 
> Are those Modcan 57B's flying off the shelves?  What unsatisfied demand would be uncovered by the cost savings?  This might satisfy some group A members, but would not be a money making project.
> 
> Likewise, the Noise/S&H module and the 1U BPF filter could only target group A and will not sell well.
> 
> Sorry to be so negative,
> Roger
>

>
> >I personally think it would be nice to have one module that fades between two sources by means of one (or two) control voltages 
> >across one or >more outputs without the need for multiple separate VCA's and inverter modules. And the 700 does not achieve what I 
> >am seeking, it is a >discreet switch, not a cross fader. I don't think this request is that far fetched considering Paul had 
> >mentioned in the past that he was going to >build one. I imagine it must have been requested by a few people for him to even 
> >consider it.
> 
> Well, that probably was my Interpolating Scanner.
> After many years of waiting, I have decided to offer PCBs for this, myself:
> http://www.jhaible.de/interpolating_scanner_and_scanvib/jh_interpolating_scanner_and_scanvib.html
> It does a linear crossfade over 9 inputs.
> 
> I still have boards for sale. The downside, of course: It's just blank PCBs, and it's not a very easy project to build, either.
> 
> JH.
>

From: Joe Miklojcik <jfm3@...>
Subject: Re: [motm] Re: Wish list and normalling  - was OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?
To: "rogerpellegrini" <rogerpellegrini@...>, motm@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 11:09 AM







 



  


    
      
      
      Someone who knows how to do market analysis!  Thank you!



>>>>> rogerpellegrini  <rogerpellegrini@ optonline. net> writes:



> Cynthia approx 600 Modcan plus 1100 Zeroscillators of all flavors [...]



> Zeroscillator: Unique sound generator.  Many uses are obvious (VCO,

> quadrature LFO, FM ala DX7, etc.) Released in many formats.  People

> have an incentive to buy 2 or more, in order to properly do the FM

> thing.



> Despite being hideously expensive, the Zeroscillator sold in huge

> numbers.  So, evidently price is NOT important in this market.



One thing may be missing from this: of the 1100 Zeroscillators that

sold, how many were MOTM format?  Probably not a significant

percentage.  That leaves it at having to do the following to 730's to

sell a bunch:



1) Multi-format (mostly probably not MOTM).



2) Name them "Destroyer of Time" or something equivalently sexy and

      ironic.



But if we're comparing 730's and Zeroscillators within the MOTM

format, we'd need to know how many MOTM format Zeroscillators sold,

and I'm betting that's comparable to the 730 sales.  If that's true,

then we're back at square one for answering the "what to make"

question, no?  The answer to everything else is "find a way to release

in Euro format too."



Price sensitivity is affected by this too: 5U (or other large format)

modulars take up huge amounts of space; you need fewer modules, so you

aren't as inclined to think "Dayum bra, I could get two Hertz Donuts

for that much money."  I'd bet price is at issue for Euro owners.

Also, you need a house to house a big 5U modular in, so I'd guess most

MOTM owners are in the 'home owner' demo.  Euro owners are *probably*

generally younger and *probably* have less disposable income.  Hard to

say without more numbers!



Respectfully,



jfm3

On Apr 28, 2010, at 1:06 PM, eric f wrote:

> According to Cynthia, at least in the initial run of ZOs, your assumptions are unfounded and the MOTM format sold quite briskly, on par with the Modcan A format and vastly outnumbering euro, frac, and .com.  It surpassed 100 units in the first few months, but after that, there really are no solid numbers out there so I haven't a clue what the final totals are.  The total number of ZOs sold seems overstated, but Cynthia rarely posts in that (dead dead dead) newsgroup except to occasionally explain why the ZOe still doesn't exist.
> 
> cheers,
> eric w f
> 
>

From: Paul Schreiber
Subject: Re: [motm] Re: Wish list and normalling - was OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?
To: motm@yahoogroups.com, "rogerpellegrini"
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 5:53 PM

>
> Likewise, the Noise/S&H module and the 1U BPF filter could only target
> group A and will not sell well.
>
> Sorry to be so negative,
> Roger


OK! I agree 100% about the 2 groups. This sort of dawned on me a few days
ago whilst walking the doggie.
I have people with 50+ modules that need X but newbies just starting out
looking for Y or even Z.

So, knowing all of this, the next 2 modules (not the CG, '102 or MT) I
should make are ......????????

Paul S.



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> 
> Well, that probably was my Interpolating Scanner.
> After many years of waiting, I have decided to offer PCBs for this, myself:
> http://www.jhaible.de/interpolating_scanner_and_scanvib/jh_interpolating_scanner_and_scanvib.html
> It does a linear crossfade over 9 inputs.
> 
> I still have boards for sale. The downside, of course: It's just blank PCBs, and it's not a very easy project to build, either.
> 
> JH.
>