MOTM

So, here is you chance to tell me what *exactly* you would buy, fully
assembled in SMT glory.

I'm all ears. Analog, digital, optical, whatever.

Paul S.

CG with Expansion Module

Morphing Terrarium

Stereo Chorus/flanger module (you know you could do thus one proper too!)

CV Digital Delay

Triple Pre Amp

CV controlled sampler (4 samples with trig in's to play, and looping mode controlled by analog clock input... Hey, no harm in hoping)

High quality CV controlled Software Reverb

Thomas White

Natural Rhythm Music

www.naturalrhythmmu sic.com

On Apr 26, 2010, at 8:16 AM, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@airmail. net> wrote:

So, here is you chance to tell me what *exactly* you would buy, fully
assembled in SMT glory.

I'm all ears. Analog, digital, optical, whatever.

Paul S.

----- Original Message -----

From: Matthew Hiscock

To: MOTM-list

Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 10:33 AM

Subject: Re: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?

Shudder to think how much it would cost but a CV sampler would be a dream come true.

On 26-Apr-10, at 11:26 AM, Thomas White wrote:

CG with Expansion Module

Morphing Terrarium

Stereo Chorus/flanger module (you know you could do thus one proper too!)

CV Digital Delay

Triple Pre Amp

CV controlled sampler (4 samples with trig in's to play, and looping mode controlled by analog clock input... Hey, no harm in hoping)

High quality CV controlled Software Reverb

Thomas White

Natural Rhythm Music

www.naturalrhythmmu sic.com

On Apr 26, 2010, at 8:16 AM, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@airmail. net> wrote:

So, here is you chance to tell me what *exactly* you would buy, fully
assembled in SMT glory.

I'm all ears. Analog, digital, optical, whatever.

Paul S.

--- On Mon, 4/26/10, Paul Schreiber <synth1@...> wrote:

From: Paul Schreiber <synth1@...>
Subject: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?
To: "MOTM List" <motm@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 11:16 AM

So, here is you chance to tell me what *exactly* you would buy, fully
assembled in SMT glory.

I'm all ears. Analog, digital, optical, whatever.

Paul S.



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From: Miguel Mendoza <miguel@...>
Subject: Re: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?
To: "MOTM-list" <motm@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 9:19 AM

I'll buy one. I just bought an Empress SuperDelay, nice features like reverse delay, looper, tape delay emulation, tap tempo, etc. I'd love to have something like this in my modular.

Cheers!

Miguel.

From: Paul Schreiber

Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 5:54 PM

To: MOTM-list

Subject: Re: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?

FYI:

Eric & I (with Robert Rich) are poking at going a high-end digital delay with nifty features. Memory is pretty cheap, it can also be a looper (like 16 seconds of 96KHz audio at 24-bits).

Paul S.

--- On Mon, 4/26/10, groovyshaman <groovyshaman@...> wrote:

From: groovyshaman <groovyshaman@...>
Subject: Re: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?
To: "MOTM List" <motm@yahoogroups.com>, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 11:58 AM

Morphing Terrarium
Cloud Generator w/expansion module
Rhythm Wheel
SEM Filter
Full Featured MOTM Sequencer - MOAS or DOMOAS
Any CV Digital Delay / Reverb / Chorus / Phaser / Flanger / Sampler / Echo

There might have been a few other cool MOTM-500 series planned way back but I can't remember them all right now.

I'd include MOTM-450 but looks like JH may have that taken care of.

George


--- On Mon, 4/26/10, Paul Schreiber <synth1@...> wrote:

From: Paul Schreiber <synth1@...>
Subject: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?
To: "MOTM List" <motm@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 11:16 AM

So, here is you chance to tell me what *exactly* you would buy, fully
assembled in SMT glory.

I'm all ears. Analog, digital, optical, whatever.

Paul S.



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--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...> wrote:
>
> So, here is you chance to tell me what *exactly* you would buy, fully
> assembled in SMT glory.
>
> I'm all ears. Analog, digital, optical, whatever.
>
> Paul S.
>

--- On Mon, 4/26/10, Paul Schreiber <synth1@...> wrote:

From: Paul Schreiber <synth1@...>
Subject: Re: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?
To: "MOTM-list" <motm@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 8:54 AM

FYI:

Eric & I (with Robert Rich) are poking at going a high-end digital delay with nifty features. Memory is pretty cheap, it can also be a looper (like 16 seconds of 96KHz audio at 24-bits).

Paul S.

From: mkoapl <mkoapl@...>
Subject: [motm] Re: OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?
To: motm@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 9:32 AM

Paul,

I would buy anything in full SMT assembly as long as it was in the full size MOTM format. The form factor is extremely important to me. If SMT means the modules are more available with near-immediate ship times from you, that would be terrific.

I would buy any of the original MOTM modules, like the MOTM-300, redone in SMT.

I would buy:

filter banks
sinewave banks for additive synthesis
full featured oscillators, like the ZO
switching/signal path modules
digital event generators
digital samplers and delays

I would like to see analog and digital options. Keep up the stunning quality and full size interface, and I am interested in it all.

I would also be willing to buy SMT assembled boards to kit together any off board jacks and pots, as long as you plan ahead and provide mounting capabilities and sell the hardware to do it.

I just don't want some cheesey Doepfer modules with pitiful componentry and a lousy interface. Stick with the Switchcraft, NKK, and ALCO.

--- In motm@yahoogroups. com, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...> wrote:
>
> So, here is you chance to tell me what *exactly* you would buy, fully
> assembled in SMT glory.
>
> I'm all ears. Analog, digital, optical, whatever.
>
> Paul S.
>

--- On Mon, 4/26/10, groovyshaman <groovyshaman@...> wrote:

From: groovyshaman <groovyshaman@...>
Subject: Re: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?
To: "MOTM List" <motm@yahoogroups.com>, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...>
Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 9:30 AM

Ok I found my master list. Seems every year or so I need to republish a revised version. :)

SMT pre-built I'd buy:

Morphing Terrarium
MOTM-102 Noise/ASR
MOTM-520 Cloud Generator w/521
MOTM-530 Envelope Nest (bizarre EG)
MOTM-540 Munging Decimator (VC bit-rate reduction)
MOTM-550 Rhythm Wheel (Seq/ASR/S&H w/pattern gen)
Any CV Digital Delay, Reverb, Chorus, Phaser, Flanger, Sampler, Echo

Old but likely resurrect-able in SMT that I'd buy:

MOTM-125 Pulse Width Multiplier
Dual 10000ms Delay (discussed 8/19/00)
DoMOAS (Daughter of Mother of all Sequencers)
VC Phase Shifter
Synthtech Vocoder

Died a horrible death - that I wanted to buy (sigh):

MOTM-130 Dual Pan/Fade VCA (so close!)
MOTM-180 Triple Preamp
MOTM-450 Fixed Filter Bank (ugh)
MOTM-460 ARP 2600-4072 VCF
MOTM-470 SEM VCF w/morphing output
MOTM-600 uSequencer (double ugh)
MOTM-810 JH's VC EG
MOTM-840 Envelope Follower/Compressor
MOTM-880 VC Filter Envelope Generator (CS-80)
Matrix-12 15-Mode VCF
Bi-Phase Clone
Joystick Interface
Random Vibrato Source (discussed 11/23/00)

George

--- On Mon, 4/26/10, groovyshaman <groovyshaman@ snet.net> wrote:

From: groovyshaman <groovyshaman@ snet.net>
Subject: Re: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?
To: "MOTM List" <motm@yahoogroups. com>, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@airmail. net>
Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 11:58 AM

Morphing Terrarium
Cloud Generator w/expansion module
Rhythm Wheel
SEM Filter
Full Featured MOTM Sequencer - MOAS or DOMOAS
Any CV Digital Delay / Reverb / Chorus / Phaser / Flanger / Sampler / Echo

There might have been a few other cool MOTM-500 series planned way back but I can't remember them all right now.

I'd include MOTM-450 but looks like JH may have that taken care of.

George


--- On Mon, 4/26/10, Paul Schreiber <synth1@airmail. net> wrote:

From: Paul Schreiber <synth1@airmail. net>
Subject: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?
To: "MOTM List" <motm@yahoogroups. com>
Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 11:16 AM

So, here is you chance to tell me what *exactly* you would buy, fully
assembled in SMT glory.

I'm all ears. Analog, digital, optical, whatever.

Paul S.



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--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@...> wrote:
>
> So, here is you chance to tell me what *exactly* you would buy, fully
> assembled in SMT glory.
>
> I'm all ears. Analog, digital, optical, whatever.
>
> Paul S.
>

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "Miguel Mendoza" <miguel@...> wrote:
>
> I need more 'unconventional' modules.
>

> Shudder to think how much it would cost but a CV sampler would be a
> dream come true.
>
> On 26-Apr-10, at 11:26 AM, Thomas White wrote:
>
>>
>> CG with Expansion Module
>> Morphing Terrarium
>> Stereo Chorus/flanger module (you know you could do thus one proper too!)
>> CV Digital Delay
>> Triple Pre Amp
>> CV controlled sampler (4 samples with trig in's to play, and looping
>> mode controlled by analog clock input... Hey, no harm in hoping)
>> High quality CV controlled Software Reverb
>>
>>
>> Thomas White
>> Natural Rhythm Music
>> www.naturalrhythmmu sic.com <http://www.naturalrhythmmusic.com>
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2010, at 8:16 AM, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@airmail. net
>> <mailto:synth1@...>> wrote:
>>
>>> So, here is you chance to tell me what *exactly* you would buy, fully
>>> assembled in SMT glory.
>>>
>>> I'm all ears. Analog, digital, optical, whatever.
>>>
>>> Paul S.
>>>
>>
>>
>
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>

> Same need here :-) My favourite Sampler is the Akai S612. The
> start/splice functionality is a dream. When I could get the possibility
> to control that features by CV and sending that loops through some
> filters hundrets of hours of pure happiness would be guaranteed !
>
> Richard Bartz
>
>
>
> Matthew Hiscock schrieb:
>> Shudder to think how much it would cost but a CV sampler would be a
>> dream come true.
>>
>> On 26-Apr-10, at 11:26 AM, Thomas White wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> CG with Expansion Module
>>> Morphing Terrarium
>>> Stereo Chorus/flanger module (you know you could do thus one proper
>>> too!)
>>> CV Digital Delay
>>> Triple Pre Amp
>>> CV controlled sampler (4 samples with trig in's to play, and looping
>>> mode controlled by analog clock input... Hey, no harm in hoping)
>>> High quality CV controlled Software Reverb
>>>
>>>
>>> Thomas White
>>> Natural Rhythm Music
>>> www.naturalrhythmmu sic.com <http://www.naturalrhythmmusic.com>
>>>
>>> On Apr 26, 2010, at 8:16 AM, "Paul Schreiber" <synth1@airmail. net
>>> <mailto:synth1@...>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So, here is you chance to tell me what *exactly* you would buy, fully
>>>> assembled in SMT glory.
>>>>
>>>> I'm all ears. Analog, digital, optical, whatever.
>>>>
>>>> Paul S.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Ok, let's dream it with the first OLED touch screen module in the world!

Having cooled off from my last message, I'll start by observing that the market for modules today is significantly different from a few years back. There are now MANY formats and manufacturers to choose from, most of whom can ship with minimal lead time. I can't even count the number of "standard" modules (e.g. VCA, Noise, VCF, VCO) there are out there. To make sales a new module has to rise above the din with unique, desirable and useful features.

I applaud design decisions (i.e. alternate power connectors) that streamline 3rd-party alternate format repackaging. This obviously multiplies the size of the market for any new design. It would be best for the customers if MOTM's release of new modules were coordinated with 3rd party repackagers to make delivery (and support) in any of a variety of formats a seamless shopping experience.

I'd vote FOR:
* Cloud Generator + Expander
* Morphing Terrarium
* Digital Additive Synthesis module: Very simple envelope control of many harmonics. Maybe a "learn" mode to allow analysis of incoming audio and subsequent resynthesis. Voltage control of "chaos" in harmonic levels. Mode where multiple detuned and otherwise slightly randomized copies of the voice are output. Simple interface. Musical results.
* Physical Modeling modules: think specific models, like a "pipe" module, or a "Karplus-Strong" module with voltage control of a couple of key parameters.
* Digital Fixed Filter Bank: with FFT analysis mode and storage of settings, with presets for acoustic instruments and other effects that could be shared across a user community. Resonant settings.
* Other innovative products that don't replicate features already provided in the marketplace

I'd vote AGAINST:
* Noise/S&H
* More straightforward VCF clones
* Sequencers (been done)
* Digital Delays (I have all the Eventide pedals, for example)
* Envelope generators (these have been done to death)
* MOTM-540 Munging Decimator (complex distorting/wavewarp ing modules don't sell all that well anyway, I suspect)
* Any CV Digital Delay, Reverb, Chorus, Phaser, Flanger, Sampler, Echo (these have been done to death and are best done "in the box" on the computer, anyway)
* Traditional Fixed Filter Bank
* Envelope Follower/Compressor

Best regards,
Roger

On 26 Apr 2010, at 22:36, Miguel Mendoza wrote:

>
> Nice demo, I never used the 730 like that.
>
> Speaking about marketing, I think that if MOTM 5U should have a good
> distributor in Europe things would be different. Many friends of
> mine freak out when they see and hear my system but they decide to
> start with something 'easier' to get.
>
>
>
> From: jfm3
> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 10:27 PM
> To: MOTM List
> Subject: Re: [motm] Re: OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?
>
>
> >>>>> Scott Deyo <contact@...> writes:
>
> > Your decision to concentrate on Euro is a good business decision,
> > and one that lots of folks are making. Euro is smaller, cheaper, has
> > a vastly larger market, and, really, has lower expectations to meet.
> > That being said, please please please stay strong in 5U. I think the
> > MT and CG will sell very very well. The Pulse Divider may not have
> > done as well because it is seen as a utility timing module, and as
> > such seemed like a lot of ching for utility. I doubt it will reflect
> > on the sales of the MT and CG at all.
>
> Couldn't have said it better myself.
>
> I can't help but think most of it is marketing. The pulse divider has
> more strange noise in it than any four Euro modules with messy paint
> jobs you care to choose.
>
> This isn't bug music by a long shot, but it should get you thinking:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI8CkYrcJfc
>
>
>

On 4/26/10 11:16 AM, Paul Schreiber wrote:
> So, here is you chance to tell me what *exactly* you would buy, fully
> assembled in SMT glory.
>
> I'm all ears. Analog, digital, optical, whatever.
>
> Paul S.
>
>
>

> So, here is you chance to tell me what *exactly* you would buy, fully
> assembled in SMT glory.
>
> I'm all ears. Analog, digital, optical, whatever.
>
> Paul S.
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
>

>> I would like to retro-fit my modules with add-on kits to normal my system.
>> I'm envisioning something like daughterboards along with new switching
>> jacks
>> that could be substituted for the standard jacks. Think of Pot Chicklets
>> on
>> steroids.
>>
>
> The easiest way to do this is get the Switchraft vertical, pc board mounted
> switching jacks: part # 112APCX and then make a 2 row x 4 jack board (like
> what I do on the MOTM-910 mults now). But if you want to leave the output
> alone and just "selectively" switch certain jacks then a steroid chicklet
> with this jack might be the ticket. Paging John Loffink......
>
> All the current MOTM jacks are switchable/can be normalled.
>
> Some modules (like the MOTM-410) use the switched circuit to "clever ends".
>
> Paul S.
>
>
>
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>

>Modcan has a CV recorder already, 57B. It's $700.
>I think Eric & I could do a better one for $499.

> Roger

>>>>> Paul Schreiber <synth1@...> writes:

> So, knowing all of this, the next 2 modules (not the CG, '102 or MT)
> I should make are ......????????

--- On Mon, 4/26/10, Paul Schreiber <synth1@...> wrote:

From: Paul Schreiber <synth1@...>
Subject: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?
To: "MOTM List" <motm@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 11:16 AM

So, here is you chance to tell me what *exactly* you would buy, fully
assembled in SMT glory.

I'm all ears. Analog, digital, optical, whatever.

Paul S.

On 4/27/10 8:31 PM, Jason Proctor wrote:
> PS it would be nice if the 102 triggered on the clock's rising edge.
> the 101 did it the other way, making sync with other clocked modules
> effectively impossible.
>
>
>
>

On 4/27/10 4:10 PM, Tom Adam wrote:
> Just wondering...
> What's so special about the Stereo panning VCA's?
> When I want to achieve this, I use 2 VCA's, an inverter module (part of
> the MOTM-410 OMS oakley thingie) and a CV.
> Or when just having fun, I use a MOTM-700...
> Come to think of it, there are several ways to achieve this.
>
> What feature makes this a much wanted module? What am I missing?
> Why would I put it on my want list knowing Paul has "limited time" for
> releasing new stuff?
>
> If it's just the matter of the 'amount of modules' used, expand your
> system. Paul would love to sell you some more VCA's/EG's or LFO's ;-)
>
> James Elliott schreef:
>
>> 2) Stereo/Panning VCA's
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Cheers,
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: motm@yahoogroups.com [mailto:motm@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> rogerpellegrini
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 2:48 PM
> To: motm@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [motm] Re: Wish list and normalling - was OK...so what WILL
> you buy assembled?
>
> I feel compelled to mention an important flaw with this poll. The
> potential market for MOTM product can be thought of in a lot of
> different ways. One way to look at it is to divide it into two groups:
>
> (A) MOTM die-hards: Comprised mostly of those who built modules from
> kits, this group would like to see a broad variety of modules to
> complete their MOTM system. Modules that would allow them to perform
> functions that other modulars also perform (eg sequencers, envelope
> followers, preamps, etc). This group is also likely to vote for
> putting choruses, delays, etc., into MOTM format for completeness,
> although these are also available elsewhere. This is a shrinking
> group, not a growing group, because in the last few years it has been
> increasingly difficult to purchase enough modules to create a complete
> system that might attract the new customer.
>
> (B) Everyone else who is interested in modulars: They'd like to see
> something that's not available elsewhere, because if it is available
> elsewhere, they've already got one. They may or may not need the
> module in MOTM 5U format. They probably don't want to touch a
> soldering iron. They likely expect timely delivery.
>
> This poll, like others before it, will draw largely from group (A).
> Group (B), though a much larger potential market, is not well
> represented.
>
> Reliance on polls like this results in business decisions to keep
> making hopelessly labor intensive kits or variations on utility or
> redundant modules that will sell in smaller and smaller numbers.
>
> Here's an example:
> Paul S. wrote:
> >Modcan has a CV recorder already, 57B. It's $700.
> >I think Eric & I could do a better one for $499.
>
> Are those Modcan 57B's flying off the shelves? What unsatisfied demand
> would be uncovered by the cost savings? This might satisfy some group
> A members, but would not be a money making project.
>
> Likewise, the Noise/S&H module and the 1U BPF filter could only target
> group A and will not sell well.
>
> Sorry to be so negative,
> Roger
>
>
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--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, James Elliott <johans121@...> wrote:
>
> Why get a lag processor when you can use a filter? Why get a modular distortion unit when you can use guitar pedals? Why buy wave shapers when you can just mix an infinite amount of oscillator outputs together? Why oh why use 'this' instead of 'that'? I personally think it would be nice to have one module that fades between two sources by means of one (or two) control voltages across one or more outputs without the need for multiple separate VCA's and inverter modules. And the 700 does not achieve what I am seeking, it is a discreet switch, not a cross fader. I don't think this request is that far fetched considering Paul had mentioned in the past that he was going to build one. I imagine it must have been requested by a few people for him to even consider it.
>
> I don't think questioning each other's desires will help Paul in his decision making as there will be at least one person who says, "I don't think you should release more filters" for each person who says they want another one. Same with sequencers, envelope generators, etc. Maybe a poll followed by a feature wishlist would be more useful?
>
> -Jim
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Tom Adam <tom.adam@...>
> To: MOTM List <motm@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 3:10:05 PM
> Subject: Panning VCA's was: [motm] OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?
>
>
> Just wondering...
> What's so special about the Stereo panning VCA's?
> When I want to achieve this, I use 2 VCA's, an inverter module (part of
> the MOTM-410 OMS oakley thingie) and a CV.
> Or when just having fun, I use a MOTM-700...
> Come to think of it, there are several ways to achieve this.
>
> What feature makes this a much wanted module? What am I missing?
> Why would I put it on my want list knowing Paul has "limited time" for
> releasing new stuff?
>
> If it's just the matter of the 'amount of modules' used, expand your
> system. Paul would love to sell you some more VCA's/EG's or LFO's ;-)
>
> James Elliott schreef:
> > 2) Stereo/Panning VCA's
> >
> >
> >
> Cheers,
>
> --
> ToAd
> Tom.Adam@thebigear. be
> www.thebigear. be
>

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "rogerpellegrini" <rogerpellegrini@...> wrote:
>
> I feel compelled to mention an important flaw with this poll. The potential market for MOTM product can be thought of in a lot of different ways. One way to look at it is to divide it into two groups:
>
> (A) MOTM die-hards: Comprised mostly of those who built modules from kits, this group would like to see a broad variety of modules to complete their MOTM system. Modules that would allow them to perform functions that other modulars also perform (eg sequencers, envelope followers, preamps, etc). This group is also likely to vote for putting choruses, delays, etc., into MOTM format for completeness, although these are also available elsewhere. This is a shrinking group, not a growing group, because in the last few years it has been increasingly difficult to purchase enough modules to create a complete system that might attract the new customer.
>
> (B) Everyone else who is interested in modulars: They'd like to see something that's not available elsewhere, because if it is available elsewhere, they've already got one. They may or may not need the module in MOTM 5U format. They probably don't want to touch a soldering iron. They likely expect timely delivery.
>
> This poll, like others before it, will draw largely from group (A). Group (B), though a much larger potential market, is not well represented.
>
> Reliance on polls like this results in business decisions to keep making hopelessly labor intensive kits or variations on utility or redundant modules that will sell in smaller and smaller numbers.
>
> Here's an example:
> Paul S. wrote:
> >Modcan has a CV recorder already, 57B. It's $700.
> >I think Eric & I could do a better one for $499.
>
> Are those Modcan 57B's flying off the shelves? What unsatisfied demand would be uncovered by the cost savings? This might satisfy some group A members, but would not be a money making project.
>
> Likewise, the Noise/S&H module and the 1U BPF filter could only target group A and will not sell well.
>
> Sorry to be so negative,
> Roger
>

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "JH." <jhaible@...> wrote:
>
> >I personally think it would be nice to have one module that fades between two sources by means of one (or two) control voltages
> >across one or >more outputs without the need for multiple separate VCA's and inverter modules. And the 700 does not achieve what I
> >am seeking, it is a >discreet switch, not a cross fader. I don't think this request is that far fetched considering Paul had
> >mentioned in the past that he was going to >build one. I imagine it must have been requested by a few people for him to even
> >consider it.
>
> Well, that probably was my Interpolating Scanner.
> After many years of waiting, I have decided to offer PCBs for this, myself:
> http://www.jhaible.de/interpolating_scanner_and_scanvib/jh_interpolating_scanner_and_scanvib.html
> It does a linear crossfade over 9 inputs.
>
> I still have boards for sale. The downside, of course: It's just blank PCBs, and it's not a very easy project to build, either.
>
> JH.
>

>>>>> rogerpellegrini <rogerpellegrini@...> writes:

> Cynthia approx 600 Modcan plus 1100 Zeroscillators of all flavors [...]

> Zeroscillator: Unique sound generator. Many uses are obvious (VCO,
> quadrature LFO, FM ala DX7, etc.) Released in many formats. People
> have an incentive to buy 2 or more, in order to properly do the FM
> thing.

> Despite being hideously expensive, the Zeroscillator sold in huge
> numbers. So, evidently price is NOT important in this market.

--- On Wed, 4/28/10, Joe Miklojcik <jfm3@...> wrote:

From: Joe Miklojcik <jfm3@...>
Subject: Re: [motm] Re: Wish list and normalling - was OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?
To: "rogerpellegrini" <rogerpellegrini@...>, motm@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 11:09 AM

Someone who knows how to do market analysis! Thank you!

>>>>> rogerpellegrini <rogerpellegrini@ optonline. net> writes:

> Cynthia approx 600 Modcan plus 1100 Zeroscillators of all flavors [...]

> Zeroscillator: Unique sound generator. Many uses are obvious (VCO,
> quadrature LFO, FM ala DX7, etc.) Released in many formats. People
> have an incentive to buy 2 or more, in order to properly do the FM
> thing.

> Despite being hideously expensive, the Zeroscillator sold in huge
> numbers. So, evidently price is NOT important in this market.

One thing may be missing from this: of the 1100 Zeroscillators that
sold, how many were MOTM format? Probably not a significant
percentage. That leaves it at having to do the following to 730's to
sell a bunch:

1) Multi-format (mostly probably not MOTM).

2) Name them "Destroyer of Time" or something equivalently sexy and
ironic.

But if we're comparing 730's and Zeroscillators within the MOTM
format, we'd need to know how many MOTM format Zeroscillators sold,
and I'm betting that's comparable to the 730 sales. If that's true,
then we're back at square one for answering the "what to make"
question, no? The answer to everything else is "find a way to release
in Euro format too."

Price sensitivity is affected by this too: 5U (or other large format)
modulars take up huge amounts of space; you need fewer modules, so you
aren't as inclined to think "Dayum bra, I could get two Hertz Donuts
for that much money." I'd bet price is at issue for Euro owners.
Also, you need a house to house a big 5U modular in, so I'd guess most
MOTM owners are in the 'home owner' demo. Euro owners are *probably*
generally younger and *probably* have less disposable income. Hard to
say without more numbers!

Respectfully,

jfm3

On Apr 28, 2010, at 1:06 PM, eric f wrote:

According to Cynthia, at least in the initial run of ZOs, your assumptions are unfounded and the MOTM format sold quite briskly, on par with the Modcan A format and vastly outnumbering euro, frac, and .com. It surpassed 100 units in the first few months, but after that, there really are no solid numbers out there so I haven't a clue what the final totals are. The total number of ZOs sold seems overstated, but Cynthia rarely posts in that (dead dead dead) newsgroup except to occasionally explain why the ZOe still doesn't exist.

cheers,
eric w f

--- On Tue, 4/27/10, Paul Schreiber <synth1@...> wrote:

From: Paul Schreiber <synth1@...>
Subject: Re: [motm] Re: Wish list and normalling - was OK...so what WILL you buy assembled?
To: motm@yahoogroups.com, "rogerpellegrini" <rogerpellegrini@...>
Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 5:53 PM

>
> Likewise, the Noise/S&H module and the 1U BPF filter could only target
> group A and will not sell well.
>
> Sorry to be so negative,
> Roger


OK! I agree 100% about the 2 groups. This sort of dawned on me a few days
ago whilst walking the doggie.
I have people with 50+ modules that need X but newbies just starting out
looking for Y or even Z.

So, knowing all of this, the next 2 modules (not the CG, '102 or MT) I
should make are ......????????

Paul S.



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On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Paul Schreiber <synth1@...> wrote:

So, here is you chance to tell me what *exactly* you would buy, fully
assembled in SMT glory.

I'm all ears. Analog, digital, optical, whatever.

Paul S.

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--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, "JH." <jhaible@...> wrote:

>
> Well, that probably was my Interpolating Scanner.
> After many years of waiting, I have decided to offer PCBs for this, myself:
> http://www.jhaible.de/interpolating_scanner_and_scanvib/jh_interpolating_scanner_and_scanvib.html
> It does a linear crossfade over 9 inputs.
>
> I still have boards for sale. The downside, of course: It's just blank PCBs, and it's not a very easy project to build, either.
>
> JH.
>

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Laity <synthetic@...> wrote:
>
> I think everyone would be much happier if you found someone to do your module manufacturing for you, even if they aren't up to your NASA-quality soldering skills.

On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 8:17 AM, IvanCU2 <ivancu@...> wrote:

Actually, build quality is part of what I feel I'm paying for with MOTM.

Ivan

--- In motm@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Laity <synthetic@...> wrote:
>
> I think everyone would be much happier if you found someone to do your module manufacturing for you, even if they aren't up to your NASA-quality soldering skills.